August 2, 2025 • 50 mins
In his 2022 memoir, "Friends, Lovers, and the Big, Terrible Thing," Matthew Perry claimed to have been to rehab 15 times, detoxed 65 times, and spent about $7 to $9 million trying to get sober.
Two years after his near-death experience, Matthew Perry goes to a Rehab facility in Switzerland. He admitted to faking pain symptoms to get Oxycontin during COVID. He was also getting daily Ketamine infusions. Ultimately it was Ketamine that killed him.
On October 28, Matthew Perry went to his country club to play a game of Pickleball with friends. Perry returned to his home after the game and was seen by his assistant, who was leaving the house to run errands. At 4 p.m., the assistant returned home and found Perry floating face down in the heated end of the pool.
Paramedics pulled Perry out of the pool and pronounced him dead at the scene.
Jasveen Sangha, known as the "Ketamine Queen," sold the drug involved in Matthew Perry's death. She remains in custody. Court documents reveal the close ties between Sangha, drug dealer Eric Fleming, and Perry's assistant Kenneth Iwamasa. Iwamasa told Fleming he "cleaned up the scene" by disposing of ketamine vials and syringes and "deleted everything."
Fleming then informed Sangha that he believed they were protected since he never dealt with Perry directly, only through Iwamasa, who would be considered Perry's "enabler." In their communications, Sangha and Fleming refer to Perry using the code name "Chandler," Now the doctor who called Perry a moron, who's directly implicated in Perry’s ketamine overdose, Dr. Salvador Plasencia, admits his guilt in Perry's death.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The death of Friends at
Superstar Matthew Perry has reverberations that continue up until even now.
The world stunned when Matthew Perry found dead at his
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own home. Why an od of ketamine? In the last
Days A stunning guilty plea, I'm Nancy Grace. This is
Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
That's right. In the Last Days, A formerly renowned doctor
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pleads guilty. A doctor who was the primary target in
the investigation of the od of Matthew Perry pleads guilty
to supplying Perry with ketamine despite knowing the Friends star
was a struggling addict. Doctor Salvador Placinsia, the fourth of
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five people charged in Perry's death, pleads guilty. He and another,
a woman who prosecutors say was a major kedemy dealer,
face the most serious charges. After Perry discovered dead in
the hot tub of his la home, Placentsia stands next
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to his lawyer in court and says guilty four times
for four different counts in front of Judge Sheryl in
P's garnet in federal court. Placentia forty three was set
to go to trial until the doctor just agreed to
plead guilty. Now this is according to a signed document
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we got our mits on that was filed in federal
court in LA. While these charges can carry up to
forty years behind bars, trust me, he's going to be
sentenced to a lot less. How did the whole thing
unfold the same way I like to start every jury trial.
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Let me start with the nine to one one call.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Listen twenty three heine on radio.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
That's one of the drowning cross between three.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
You can't tell a lot, but I learned something significant.
Let's hear that one more time.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Sid betweent three on radio. That's one of the drowning
cross twenty three here.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Now, some of those numbers are universal. Sometimes you hear
numbers across the lease ban or on an ems that
are specific to that region. But what I'm hearing that
really jumps out at me is response to the drowning.
So at the beginning, it was believed that the friends
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start died of drowning because that's what was reported to them.
But what do we really know? Take a listen to
our friends at crime online.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year
old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.
Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and
the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid
use disorder. The manner of death has been ruled an accident.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Okay, see, I'm a trial lawyer, and that is why
the medical examiners and everybody at the crime lab would
go hide under their desk when they saw my beat
up Honda pulling up, because they knew I was going
to go through it line by line literally to make
sense of what they wrote down in their scientific findings.
(04:10):
What acute effects of ketamine. Other contributing factors were, drowning,
coronary artery disease, be prefer blue boo used to treat
opioid disorder, manner of death, accident. There's so much there.
I could do a whole flow chart on that to
try to explain all that to a jury. Luckily we
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have experts with us. But first I'm going to go
to a special guest joining us, Miguel Melndez, joining us,
senior writer for E. T. Entertainment tonight, Miguel, what a
pleasure to have you on. Man. This scent shock waves
through not only Hollywood, but across our country. Because I'm
going to follow this up with our shrink Karen Stark.
We think we know Matthew Perry. Why because we've seen
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him on the big screen, we've seen him on the
little screen. We follow up in the tabloids. We think
we know him and about his life. We've been following
his struggle with addiction, and a lot of people can
identify with that. If you haven't had that struggle in somebody,
you know, somebody close to you has had that struggle.
(05:17):
So Matthew Perry was kind of like every man that
was struggling with a lot. But to you, Miguel Melendez,
I want to go before I get into Matthew Perry
himself and how it ended up this way, I want
to talk to you about what happened, what surrounded the
discovery of Matthew Perry dead in a hot tub leading
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up to that. Tell me about the discovery and what
came out at the time that he was first discovered
dead in hot tub.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Right, So what we know the timeline is that at
eleven am, Matthew has played pickleball. At one thirty seven
pm is when Matthew was last known to be alive
by his personal living assistant to live with him in
the Pacific Polacy Home home.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
He was off to.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Run errand at one thirty seven pm, the living assistant
returned home and found Matthew floating face down in the jacuzzi.
The assistant jumped into the pool, moved Matthew into the
sitting position on the steps of the pool, and found
him by the way on the heated side of the pool.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Called nine one one.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Paramedics arrived and they moved and they pulled Matthew out
of the p.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Okay, hold on, Miguel, You're giving me so much information
so quickly. I'm drinking from the fire hydrate, because Miguel,
you know I like to dissect every single sentence, and
I loved everything you just said as far as factually
what I'm learning. Could you say it again, very slowly? Okay?
Did you say the living assistant found him?
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Okay. Why did Matthew Perry have a live and assistant?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That I can answer you, Nancy, I don't know the
exact circumstances.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Of what led to that.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I do know that the living assistant, based on this report,
is that he administered the the detox on Matthew twice
a day.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
That's important. Miguel Melendez, hold on, Miguel, hold the thought.
Guys with me. He's a senior writer for entertainment tonight.
You all know him. Miguel Melndez giving us everything we
need to know to analyze this drug ketamine that claimed
the life of Matthew Perry. Karen el start joining me
(07:22):
Renown TV radio trauma expert at Karenstark dot com. Karen
with a C if you're trying to find her, Karen, So,
is it like a minder you have with AA that.
I don't think they call it a minder. They call
it something else, someone that checks in on you. It's
like your partner, your buddy, that kind of that's who
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you call when you have a problem or you're going
to relapse. Is that what you think is happening here?
He had somebody to help him.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
It's called a sponsor, and his assistant. She was his sponsor.
She was his minder, as you said, Nancy, So she
was there. She could not stop him from taking something,
but certainly was trying. That was her role to make
sure that he was on the straight and narrow and
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sticking to his determination to stop. And he was very
open about it. But he really did want to stop
taking drugs recreationally.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Really did, and he made no secret about it. What
led up to that moment Miguel Melndez is describing. But
first again, Miguel, could you tell me the assistant comes in.
You said he was near the heater end of the
hot tub.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
So at four pm, the living assistant walks in from
running errands find Matthew Perry floating space down into jacuzi
in the heated end of the pool. The assistant jumped
into the pool, moved Matthew into the sitting position on
the steps.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Of the pool, and called nine one one.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Paramedics soon arrived, pulled Matthew out of the pool onto
the grass, where he was pronounced that at the scene.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You know, I think I had at bass akwors Migham Melendez.
I was saying hot tub because I've read jacuzie. But
was the jacuzzi or the hot tub part of the pool.
Was he in a pool or was he in a
hot tub or chacuzie.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
It looked like it was a long pool that has
a jacuzi and if they're not two separate.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay, that makes perfect sense. Okay, guys, what led up
to this moment? Take a listen to our friend Nicole Parton.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Matthew Perry went to his country club to play a
game of pickleball with friends around eleven am. Perry returned
to his home after the game and was seen by
his assistant, who was leaving the house to run Errand's
at one thirty seven pm. At four o'clock PM, the
assistant returned to the home. Investigator Jennifer Hertzog says the
assistant found Perry floating face down in the heat end
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of the pool. The assistant jumped into the pool and
moved him into a sitting position on the steps and
called nine to one one. Paramedics responded, pulled Perry out
of the pool and onto the grass, and pronounced him
dead on the scene at four seventeen PM. His stepfather,
Keith Morrison is listed as the informant, which means the
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dateline host is who identified Perry to authorities.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Oh my goodness, Smuson is so horrible. On the stepfather
to have to do that after the struggle he Matthew
Perry went through so publicly against substance abuse. Mike McCormick
joining me out of LA owner lead investigator mcm Investigations.
Mike McCormick, thank you for being with us. I'm very
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curious Matthew Perry had been so open and public about
his battle with addiction. Who I mean, even I know
about that two thousand miles away, who would be supple
flying him drugs, ketamine and all the other things in
his system.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
It was either prescribed to him that Kennedy was prescribed,
or he's getting it off the street. There's only several
ways of doing it. My understanding is that the from
he's a assistant or a past girlfriend miss edwards that
she's been involved with him off and on from about
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two thousand and six, and she used to purchase his
drugs off the street for him.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace in the last days a
U turn. Doctor Salvador Pacinsia, the doctor who supplied Matthew
Perry with kennamine, knowing that Perry struggled with addiction, had
(12:00):
insisted on a trial pled not guilty, but then takes
a surprise plea deal. Why is a sweetheart deal in
the works. Of course, he's going to stay on bond
awaiting sentencing that never bodes will What happened to Matthew
Perry and what role in his death did Placensia play.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
Federal prosecutors allege that Perry first obtains ketamine from an
unscrupulous doctor, aiming to take advantage of the actor's addiction issues.
Doctor Salvador Placentia teaches Perry's living assistant, Kenneth Ewa Masa,
how to administer the drug and provides ketamine to both
Perry and Ewa Masa at exorbitant prices. When the drugs
become too expensive, Perry and Ewamasa turned to street dealers,
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including Jasvin Sogha, dubbed the Ketamine Queen.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
What in last hours, a very dear and intimate friend
of Matthew Perry says she doesn't think that ketamine is
the cause of death. Why and what would be the
cause of death and what leads her to say that?
This is what the medical examiner has to say.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year
old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.
Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and
the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid
use disorder. The manner of death has been ruled an accident.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
what we're learning right now, but with me a special guest.
Rowena Chew, activist and former assistant to Harvey Weinstein. His
name tastes like dirt in my mouth. Convicted on multiple rapes,
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and she has just written a New York Times guest essay,
I was a celebrity assistant. The power and balance is
very real. Rowen and che thank you for being with us.
I enjoyed your article. I read it several times over
and I try to compare what you're saying in your
situation with Harvey Weinstein. Maye write in Hell two Matthew
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Perry's assistant number one. Matthew Perry was not a criminal.
I was not a rapist number one. But you point
out assistants often do things that are, let me just say,
legally and ethically questionable in your case, what does that mean.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
In my case, I worked for Harvey for only a
couple of months, and so I didn't have the opportunity
to do things that were ethically and legally immoral. But
I was making the points that the power balance is
so huge assistants don't get the chance to say no.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You also pointed out a quote that compared assistants that
may do illegal acts or unethical acts to the guards
and askewards that they knew what was happening was wrong,
And you make a very subtle yet important distinction, explying
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a comparison was really with.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Ordinary folks that lived in Nazi Germany, whether or not
you can hold them accountable for the events that happened
in the country. So I'm really making a point about
bystanders that don't have any real power themselves, and they
are essentially a visible or they don't have an identity
of their own, and they don't have the autonomy to
make decisions, and so I feel that celebrity assistance I
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also called them Butler's. I constantly felt that I was invisible,
I had no autonomy. I frequently didn't really have a
name of my own. I would call people up and
say I'm calling from Harvey Weinstein's office, but I wouldn't
mention my own name because I was adding significant. So
when you're in a power balance where you're that insignificant,
I think it is incredibly difficult to be then thrust
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into the spotlight and held responsible for something as serious
as somebody's death. I think that I am attempting to
shed light on the fact that Kenneth Iwamasa may have
had absolutely zero choice in a way that the ordinary
person can't understand. He was a living assistant, the power
imbalance would have been enormous.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
At the end of your article, I noted that you
stated it is often too easy to turn the butler
into the scapegoat. Do you believe that Matthew Perri's assisted
who injected him with that deadly dose is a scapegut?
Speaker 8 (16:50):
I think he may have been put in an incredibly
difficult situation. Not only was his employment on the line,
but likely his involvement in the industry as a whole.
It could have been that he did not have another residence,
and so as a living assistant, you know, really there's
a power back dynamic on many different levels. I also
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think in the Weinstein case, at least that there were
many circles of power, enablement, and entitlement that were far
more deserving of perhaps the legal system going after than assistants.
You know, for example, Harvey Weinstein had accountants and board
members that certainly knew of what was happening. So I
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think the assistants. I'm merely making the point that the assistants,
I suppose are the lowest rung on the ladder, and
I think to hold them accountable and responsible for the
actions taken by a celebrity, it doesn't take into account
the enormous power difference between a celebrity and his assistant.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
A Rowena two is joining US activist former assistant to
Harvey Weinstein, who has just written a guest essay Four
of the Times titled I would say celebrity assistant power
and balance is very real miss to I deeply respect
you and what you have to say and your viewpoint,
and I highly highly disagree with you in your case
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or some other assistants, not necessarily Weinstein's other assistants, Comparing
that to what iro Massa did in Perry's case, knowing
that he had had seizures just sixteen days where he
was unable to move or speak after eketymine injection, knowing
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that I consider this much much more serious. But I'll
circle back to you missed you in just one moment,
and again I do appreciate what you're saying, but I
find it vastly, vastly different than the case of Matthew
Perry's assistant. Speaking of the facts, Let's go to KILEB. Brantley,
joining us investigative reporter with the Daily Mail, who's been
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on this case from the very very beginning. What I
find very interesting right now is that it's all business
as usual. Matthew Perry dies in the hot tub with
a fatal overdose. The doctor you had to put up
like one hundred thousand dollars bond. Really that's ten thousand dollars,
and regular people talk you put up ten percent. He's gone,
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he's out. The so called ketamine queen has not been sentenced.
The assistant, Kenneth Ewamasa, has not been sentenced. Why I
think that the Feds. Have you ever seen a cat
with a little mouse, just back and forth and back
and forth until it bites its head off. I think
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that's what the FEDS are doing right now. They're playing
toying with the various defendants in order to get them
to talk to name other celebrity doctors and other pill
meals headed by doctors in LA and other celebrities. I
think that's what's happening. But to you, Kiala Brandley Daily Mail,
(20:04):
tell me the latest. We've got the doctor back to work.
A lot of people haven't been sentenced. The other celebrity doctors,
including one that just got shot in the last day
of Celebrity Doctor. He was assassinated in his parking lot.
Following all of the drama surrounding Matthew Perry's death and
(20:25):
what's being uncovered hamid mershow Jay was shot in his
parking lot. He was a celeb doctor focusing on addiction.
But I bet a lot of celebrities and a list
doctors are quaking in their boots right now. Keila, what's happening? Yeah, Nancy.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
So what we know so far, at least when it
comes to Matthew Perry is that doctor salvageor Pfensia he
is back practicing. He is forbidden by the Drug Enforcement
Administration the DEA from prescribing controlled substances, turned over his
license that would let him prescribe but he can still
practice medicine under certain conditions that he works at an
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urgent care in Malibu, and the only difference now is
that his patients have to sign a written consent form
for treatment that basically acknowledges and discloses that he is
under investigation and lets him know what's going on. But
his patients can still see him. He can still practice.
The only difference is that he cannot provide, you know,
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lethal doses of ketamine as he is alleged to have
done to Matthew Perry, and the same goes for doctor
Mark Chavis has also surrendered his DEA license and therefore
cannot subscribe to control substances. However, these men are out
able to practice, able to you know, continue living their
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daily lives. As you said, doctor Papensia put up one
hundred thousand dollars bond and he's out. But they will
have to await sentencing and you know, see if they
can continue to live their life or a fee space for.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Music continue to live their lives. Hella Brandley, Daily Mail.
Matthew Perry can't live his life, and he's not the
only one. We now have identified two potential suspects but
two potential victims other victims of the ketamine queen, both
dead but right now to Mike McCormick, owner lead investigator
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MCM Investigations, former LAPD ever twenty five years. You can
find him at MCMM mother c corpus mmotherinvestigations dot com.
Mike really boohoo. He can't prescribe control substances. That's his punishment.
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He's back and his fancy sports car and his fancy
condo and his fancy office to the stars making money
handover fist. He can't prescribe dea control substances. I guess not.
But you know what he can do. He can get
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another doctor, a straw doctor as it were, as it were,
to write those prescriptions for him. Let me think of
an example. Okay, psychologists cannot prescribe certain medications, right they can't.
They work in tandem with a psychiatrist and they get
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the psychiatrist to write the prescription, see what I mean.
So he can be doing that. He can have a
straw doc actually write the prescriptions. This is such bs.
Why is he not in a jail cell? Perry is
dead and you know what everybody's talking about his net
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worth in fact, his home is being remodeled near the
hot tub man that's going right on the market. It's
like it never.
Speaker 10 (23:55):
Happened, exactly exactly. This is a outcome of a link
you justice system.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Joining me Psychoanalyst to the stars, Doctor Bethany Marshall, author
of deal Breaker, and you can also see her on
peacock and find her a doctor Bethanymarshall dot com dotor Bethanye.
I want to circle back with you about how this
doctor continue treating celebrity patients with the use of a
straw doctor. How easy that would be. But we now
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know this doctor, this doctor knew very well that Matthew
Perry had actually seized up. In other words, he could
not speak or move for an extended period of time
to sixteen days before he died. Yet everything was business
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as usual.
Speaker 11 (24:49):
Listen details of Harry's last days in a federal indictment
reveal it was very clear to doctor Placentia that Perry's
ketemine injections were causing a total loss of awareness. The
indictment documents three separate occasions where Perry froze up after
receiving the medication, with Placentia commenting, let's not do that again.
Speaker 12 (25:10):
Defendant Placentia knew full well the danger of what he
was doing. In fact, on one occasion, he injected mister
Perry with ketamine and he saw mister Perry freeze up
and his blood pressure spike. Despite that, he left additional
vials of ketamine for defendant Iwamasa to administer to mister Perry.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
And he's free. If you or I caused the death
of a superstar like Matthew Perry, we would be under
the jail. So why is he free and why is
it very murky, very unclear as to the status of
the other defendants because the FEDS are squeezing them to talk.
(25:55):
That's why joining me Todd Barr Doctor Todd bar Board
certified anatomic clinical forensic pathologist. I'm very curious. Oh yes,
he's also featured in Thin Places Essays, Essays from in
Between Dodger, thank you for being with us. I've been
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researching and investigating what exactly happened to Matthew Perry when
he quote froze. That's hardly a medical description, but I've
learned that there was apparently a significant spike in his
systolic blood blood pressure. What does that mean? High Nancy,
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thank you.
Speaker 13 (26:39):
So a spike in his systolic blood pressure just means
that he is having a hypertensive crisis. His blood pressure
is elevated to a point.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Kind of right there, right there, What do you mean
hypertensive crisis?
Speaker 13 (26:53):
That means his blood pressure is at a high level,
such a high.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Level that it could cause death.
Speaker 13 (27:00):
I mean people die from extreme fluctuations in their blood pressure.
Blood pressure is supposed to live in an average, in
a normal range. If you get too high, it's hypertensive.
If you get too low, it's hypotensive. And either of
those hyper or hypo can cause death.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
So when he quote froze up, what does that indicate
to you? Is that some sort of a stroke or
a near stroke? What's a systolic spike in blood pressure?
Speaker 13 (27:30):
I would say the term froze up to me sounds
more like a seizure like activity, like a tonic chlonic
seizure where the muscles contract and you get into this.
Ketamine is actually known for its anti convulsive properties. It's
used to treat seizures, but in high doses it can
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actually cause seizures. And as we know by the reports
that are out there to Perry was administered extremely high
doses of this this drug ketamine, which is an anesthetic drug.
He was actually found with the levels that were compatible
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with surgery and that you know, anesthesia that you would
need for surgical procedures.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
It reminds me a great deal of Conrad Murray injecting
Michael Jackson with propofol, and it took you know, hell
and high water to get Conrad Murray charged and convicted.
But even that conviction was not enough to send sufficient
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shot waves through the celebrity doctor network in Hollywood. And
now Matthew Perry is dead. You know it's Cala Brandtley's
joining me, investigative reporter with the Daily Mail. KLA. I
understand that the doctor who is now living alive, he's
not in jail like everybody else would be connected to
a death. He would provide the medication, the ketamine along
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with Kenemine Queen for the assistant to make at home
ketamine injections. Now, I heard what Rowena Chu said that
the power balance is way off. But shouldn't you know instinctively,
especially after Perry was having seizures just days before, that
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you should not be injecting ketamine to Matthew Perry at home.
I mean, this assistant needs to be in jail, along
with the doctor and the ketamine queen, the street supplier.
They all need to be in jail and we need
to know their sentences. So what's happening, kil, I don't
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understand what's the hold up?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Right?
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Well?
Speaker 9 (29:58):
Maybe I also want to break down exactly how much
ketymine was distributed to Matthew Perry. The doctors Chavis and
Placentia distributed twenty vials of kenemine to Perry for fifty
five thousand dollars in cash. That's charging him two thousand
dollars for a vial, and that vile cost doctor Chavi
is just twelve dollars. So you can imagine how much
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money they were making off Perry. And that's the point
that the prosecutors were making. Now, the kenemy queen Sanga,
she sold about fifty vials of the drugs to Perry
with Fleming delivering the product that Eric Flemming, the Hollywood producer,
and they sold it to him for eleven thousand dollars.
So these people were making a lot of money off
of Perry's addiction, and they clearly knew as you said
(30:43):
he was seizing up, and then you had the person
who was injecting him, who was his trusted assistant. So
you make a great point that you know these people
should be held accountable, and that's exactly what the prosecutors
are trying to do.
Speaker 12 (30:56):
They distributed approximately twenty vials of ketamine to mister Perry
in exchange for fifty five thousand dollars in cash. Defendant
Placentia saw this as an opportunity to profit off of
mister Perry. He wrote in a text message in September
twenty twenty three, quote.
Speaker 14 (31:16):
I wonder how much this moron will pay.
Speaker 12 (31:20):
He also stated in text messages that he wanted to
be mister Perry's sole source of supply. He wrote in
a text message that he wanted to be mister Perry's
quote go to for drugs.
Speaker 14 (31:32):
Matthew Perry's assistant allegedly found Perry in similar circumstances two
times in the same week of his tragic.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Death, joining us Rowena Chew, former assistant to Harvey Weinstein,
who just wrote a New York Times guest essay, I
was a celebrity assistant. The power imbalance is very real.
You just heard other examples that celebrity assistants have named.
Do you believe that in this case the assistant is
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being scapegoated or do you believe he is rightfully being
prosecuted as it relates to Matthew Perry's death. I do
believe he's being scapegoated.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
I mean, we just heard about how other players in
this system are making insane amounts of money, and I
asked you to think about what to see assistants stand
again in that equation, what does.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
The money have to do with it? Rowena, Would it
make it okay if he was paid more money?
Speaker 8 (32:29):
Oh no, absolutely not. I'm not saying that anybody was
doing anything right. However, there's a big difference between the
amounts of money the doctors and the drug dealers were
making and what did the assistants stand to gain. I
believe the assistant was just trying to survive. He wasn't
making staggering amounts of money, and so therefore his incentive
to do what he did was very different from the
doctors and the drug dealers. He wasn't out there trying
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to get something for himself. He was merely trying to
survive his job. There's a big difference.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
In that, so you believe the difference and whether he
should be held criminally culpable is whether he was getting
paid for shooting Matthew Perry up to his death.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
I don't think that there's a huge incentive for him
to push this agenda, and therefore I don't believe that
he was pushing the agenda. He was merely doing what
he was told to do under incredibly strenuous circumstances. So
I'm merely saying that as a point of coercion, the
assistant is not really this person who should be staygoated.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
That there are.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
Layers of privilege and abuse of power that are far
greater than that. And you know, we can easily point
to doctors and drug dealers who were making vast amounts
of money and had a huge incentive to push this
kind of an agenda.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
And are actually still making vast amounts of money. Mike
McCormick joining me, lead investigator of MCM investigations in Hollywood.
Mike McCormick, Oh, respect for Rowen and Chew, but I
think that's complete BS. I don't agree at all. Everybody
in Hollywood is making money off Slayer. Celebs are making
money off the studios. The studios are making money off
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us and advertisers. That's how it works in Hollywood. It's
like one bloodsucker sucking on the next bloodsucker, just like ticks,
you know, stuck to the animal. But Mike McCormick, why
aren't they in jail number one? And what do you
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make of what Rowena is saying that the assistant is
the scapegoat. I think they should all be put in
the same pot to boil and all be tried together
as it relates to Perry's death.
Speaker 10 (34:39):
Well, I don't think the assistant is being scapegoated. I
just think he was being more loyal, just doing what
the boss wanted him to do. It had nothing to
do with money, was job security and loyalty.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Okay, hold on to some moment, doctor Bethany. Maybe I'm
not articulating my point that, well, the assistant lives in
a mansion, he makes plenty of money, he rubs elbows
with all of the stars, a drives a beautiful luxury car.
Maybe I'm not understanding his poor conditions. I don't see it, Nancy.
Speaker 15 (35:19):
I have a unique perspective on this because these assistants
sometimes come to my office. One in particular was the
major domo for one of the wealthiest men in the
world and had to stand around serving palomas to the
family all day long alcoholic beverages, and he became so
disgusted because one of the family members was drunk all
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day long.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
He was traumatized.
Speaker 15 (35:42):
He came to therapy and said, I just cannot do
this anymore, and he left the job. So, yes, these
assistants are vulnerable in the sense that they often do
things they don't want to do, but they do have
agency in the world. And I think in particular, when
you are potentially committing homicide, that's a breach of duty,
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that's lack of judgment that a ten year old knows
not to do.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Right.
Speaker 15 (36:11):
We just know basically, you don't kill somebody if you
administer a drug they sees you don't administer the drug. Again,
I mean, I'm sorry, but this assistant could have gone
and worked at a bar would probably I would prefer
to scrub floors then to inject somebody with a substance
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that could kill them. It is just common sense. Of course,
there's a power imbalance. Of course, there's a power in
balance in life for all of.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Us exactly, you know, Caleb Brantley, I want to follow
up on what doctor Bethany is saying. Caleb Brantley joining
us from Daily Mail call. And we understand that Matthew
Perry's mansion is being renovated, especially around the hot of
the pool area where he died. Seems as if for Hollywood,
including the prosecutors, it's just business as usual. The doctor
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is back and his clinic treating patients and making a
ton of money. There are no sentences on the people
that have agreed to plead guilty. It just seems as
if everyone's acting as though nothing happened. Matthew Perry is dead.
These people, according to the FEDS, are responsible. Why aren't
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they behind bars Killa And what if anything can you
tell me about when these people are going to jail?
And one other question. Apparently one of Perry's intimate friends
states that he Perry was deathly afraid of needles and
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she is questioning the real cood Killa Listen.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
One of Perry's former assistants and ex girlfriend, Edwards, says
she does not believe Perry could have possibly been taking ketamine.
Edwards describes Perry's intense fear of needles, saying he wouldn't
even consider a tattoo due to the phobia. Edwards was
no stranger to Perry's addiction and told him he would
die in an argument over his drug use. Perry's response quote,
you only die when you use needles, and I would
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never ever do that.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Caleb Brantley, what about it? This person an intimate friend
of Perry's, raising the specter of another cood cause of death.
Speaker 9 (38:28):
I understand that, Nancy, But it was Katie Edwards. She
dated him back in two thousand and six, worked as
an assistant until like twenty eleven, so while they were
still friends, they hadn't dated in a while. And I
understand that she said that he had a fear of this.
But Matthew Perry himself had written in his book about
these ketamine infusions that he was taking and how it
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felt and how it was helping him. So I personally
am not so sure of that theory. And you do
have his assistant and everyone and basically admitting to injecting him,
And back to your point of why aren't these people
you know behind bars and what's going on? I think
right now it's just a waiting game. We have had
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clee deals which have gotten us more information from the assistant,
from the friend, from one of the doctors, so I
think we will be seeing more in due time. There
will be a sentence. They will end up safing the
consequences of their actions.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace. Now, in a statement, Placinsia's
lawyer reads out, doctor Placentsia is profoundly remorseful for the
treatment decisions he made while providing Kennymine to Matthew Perry. Well,
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he can't even say I'm sorry himself. Placisia is playing
guilty to drug distribution and we'll surrender his medical license.
I know that much. I wonder what the sentence will be.
I know that in exchange for guilty, please, prosecutors have
agreed to drop three additional accounts of distribution and two
(40:15):
counts of falsifying records. Hmmm, what more do we know
about his role in the Friends Star's death?
Speaker 14 (40:25):
Did the drug dealer dub the ketamine queen refer to
Matthew Perry by his friend's character name, and.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
That would be his affinity Matthew Perry's afinity with Batman,
and he would call himself Matman, but according to sources,
the so called ketamine Queen Jasvine Songhai referred to him
as Chandler in their texts and emails when they would
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talk about drugs and drug deliveries code named Chandler. Wow,
that was a toughie. Apparently, celebrities and celebrity doctors alike
across Hollywood are quaking in their boots, afraid that the
so called ketamine Queen is going to rat them out
in exchange for a sweetheart deal from the fees. The
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so called Kenemine Queen, the one that supplied Matthew Perry
with the deadly dose of ketamine that ended in his death.
Are there other victims? Yes, listen.
Speaker 11 (41:34):
Jazzvien Songha sells Cody mclowery several vials of ketamine. Later
that same day, mclowry's family finds him dead. A family
member tells Sogha her ketamine cos Mclowry's overdose death, and
Songha googles can ketamine be listed as a cause of death.
Speaker 7 (41:51):
Eric Fleming, who reportedly acted as a program director at
the bel Air rehab Red Door, also had a resident
die on his watch. William Cooney, thirty six, was dead
of a fental overdose in his bathroom at the facility.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
So those are two alleged victims. Two more victims of
the Ketemine Queen. That makes three if those two victims
are to be believed. In fact, Cody's family is speaking
out against the Ketemine Queen. And is she talking? Is
she making a deal with the fedes to get a
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light sentence in exchange for ratting out other slips and
other doctors? Man, she needs a lot of money to
support this lifestyle. So what is the connection between the
Ketemine Queen and the other alleged victims? All dead?
Speaker 16 (42:43):
Coming to light are broke Mueller's deep ties to suspects
Fleming and Soanha. Mueller spent time with Sanghai in one
of her many rehabs Dens, and Fleming is reportedly a
godfather to one of Mueller's children. Mueller reportedly pressured then
boyfriend William Cooney to join her at Powl Fleming's rehab
program where Kune the overdosed and died. Mueller may well
have introduced Fleming and Songhaw to Perry as shortcuts to
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feed his addiction. Federal prosecutors report that Mueller is cooperating
with the investigation and is not facing any charges.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Let me understand Caleb Brantley joining us from dailymail dot com.
The so called Kennymine queen Songha meets up with who
in rehab and let me see is Brittan Mueller, who
apparently was very close to Matthew Perry. Now how does
that connect into Songhaw the dealer.
Speaker 9 (43:34):
Well, all roads are kind of leading back to Jasine Songha,
the Kennymine Queen. She was a supplier of multiple people.
And now we do find this connection between Brooke Mueller,
who spent time with Matthew Perry in rehab. They were
close friends. And then we have Eric Flemming, who was
a director at the rehab center where this man William
(43:57):
Cooney had passed away. So it's all there is a
circular connection of going back to Sangha and I'm not
have been on the radar for a while. Back in
March twenty twenty four, the Fed rated her house and
they called it a drug imporium. These seventy nine bottles
that some had tested positive for keettymine. So this is
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no surprise that Jasinfanga is involved in this Matthew Perry case.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Now two more alleged victims of this woman living the
high life that supplied the deadly dose to Matthew Perry.
Now would he be her third victim? Why has it
taken that to bring her to justice? Are those investigations
ongoing now? This, by far, is not the first time
(44:48):
a celebrity has died with enablers circling them like vultures. Listen,
I've heard.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
How you doing.
Speaker 14 (44:57):
It's a security from Burly Hilton.
Speaker 7 (44:58):
Hi, what going on?
Speaker 2 (44:59):
I need the paramedic only. I got a forty thic
yur old female I found in the bathroom, but a
fellow guy right now.
Speaker 12 (45:03):
But they're requesting paramedica now, Okay, fello about them.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
I love Ry mccannal.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
I'm not sure if you fellow if he was in
the bathroom.
Speaker 9 (45:08):
With the water four four four three four.
Speaker 6 (45:11):
I'm sorry for the room four three fourth yet, Okay,
they're not you fought for anything else?
Speaker 1 (45:15):
There's room four three four thirty four.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, okay, you don't know see a.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Country of bathing at all.
Speaker 14 (45:19):
Apparently she wasn't breathing and she's toy sex curled.
Speaker 9 (45:22):
He was not breathing.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Whinney Houston surrendered by enablers. Ultimately it cost her her life.
Then there is John Belushi, one of the greatest comedians
that ever lived. He was shot up with drugs at
the Chateau Marmont and his assistant did hard jail time
after shooting him up. Bobby Christina Whitney's daughter od. He
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goes on and on and on. Of course, Michael Jackson,
Aaron Carter, Chris Farley went to rehab sixteen times. His
younger brother finds him dead in his apartment. Of course,
Prince died a deadly opioid injection. Goes all the way
(46:08):
back to Elvis, China, Amy Winehouse and a Nicole spiraled
down a drug hole while everyone supported that and enabled her.
Kurt Cobain, River Phoenix. It goes on and on, and
(46:30):
the enablers are never brought to justice. Straight out to
Mike McCormick, mcm investigations. Don't you know, the catamine Queen
and all of them. They're like rats on a sinking ship,
are ready to deal, ready to name names, addresses, phone numbers,
(46:52):
little black books to save their own skin. You don't
think they're talking to the FEDS right now? Oh?
Speaker 10 (46:57):
Absolutely, yeah, they're gonna tell them everything they want to
know to stay out to jail.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
To Todd Barr joining us doctor Barr, Board certified and
atomic clinical forensic pathologist, Doctor Barr, what do you notice
about the death certificate?
Speaker 13 (47:13):
So, Nancy, I have a lot of real issues with
the way this case was decided. As a forensic expert,
I have been involved in prosecutions of crimes that involved
other people distributing or administering drugs to a victim. The
very definition of a homicide is death at the hands
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of another period, whether it's by omission or comission. In
this case comission. They brought in drugs, they injected them
into Matthew Perry's body. They should be charged with a homicide.
They should be charged with murder straight up everyone that's involved. Now,
the second part of this is the official cause of
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death was listed as the acute effects of ketamine, and
then other conditions or contributing conditions included drowning. Now, there
are certain stigmata of drowning that you see at autopsy.
If those are present, then a drowning occurred. So Matthew
Perry's death is literally because of drowning. But then there's
(48:20):
a part B or drowning due to the intoxicating effects
of ketamine. So he was so dissociative and esthetized that
he slipped under the water. If they're going to list
drowning as a contributing factor, then that means they had
evidence that he drowned.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
So it should have been listed as a drowning.
Speaker 13 (48:41):
Number one due to the effects of ketamine, and the
manner of death should have been listed as homicide. So
I have a very strong opinion about the way this
death certificate was worded, and I believe that sometimes when
it's worded this way, defendants get off a lot easier.
I don't know if in LA they have something going
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where they were these death certificates in a way so
people get off a little easier.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
But that's my take too. Rowen and she joining us
former assistant to Harvey Weinstein now activists, who has just
written a New York Times guest essay called I was
a celebrity assistant. The power and balance is a very
real thought to you, Rowena, what do you make of
it all?
Speaker 8 (49:24):
I think there are levels of power that we could
go after that are much more intense than that of
the assistant. I think the assistant, being the lowest run
on the ladder, probably is the last person that anyone
should go after because he has read his little autonomy.
I'm not saying that no one should be held accountable.
I'm saying that there are levels of power above him
that should be accountable before he is.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Doctor Salvadora Placinsia has been free on bond since his
arrest all the way back in August, and he will
remain free until his centising on December three. So what's
there to complain about. It has been said he is
not a flight risk. I don't know about that, but
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I do know he was well aware Matthew Perry was
using ketamine, that he was an addict, yet he steal
handed it over hand, over fist. Of course. The doctor
leaves the courthouse surrounded by lawyers without speaking to anyone
gathered outside.
Speaker 15 (50:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
According to reports, Placentsia in a text message, called Matthew
Perry a quote moron who he Placentsia could exploit for money.
That's the doctor. We wait as justice unfold. Nancy Grace
(50:49):
signing off, goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The death of Friends at
Superstar Matthew Perry has reverberations that continue up until even now.
The world stunned when Matthew Perry found dead at his
(00:21):
own home. Why an od of ketamine? In the last
Days A stunning guilty plea, I'm Nancy Grace. This is
Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
That's right. In the Last Days, A formerly renowned doctor
(00:42):
pleads guilty. A doctor who was the primary target in
the investigation of the od of Matthew Perry pleads guilty
to supplying Perry with ketamine despite knowing the Friends star
was a struggling addict. Doctor Salvador Placinsia, the fourth of
(01:06):
five people charged in Perry's death, pleads guilty. He and another,
a woman who prosecutors say was a major kedemy dealer,
face the most serious charges. After Perry discovered dead in
the hot tub of his la home, Placentsia stands next
(01:28):
to his lawyer in court and says guilty four times
for four different counts in front of Judge Sheryl in
P's garnet in federal court. Placentia forty three was set
to go to trial until the doctor just agreed to
plead guilty. Now this is according to a signed document
(01:49):
we got our mits on that was filed in federal
court in LA. While these charges can carry up to
forty years behind bars, trust me, he's going to be
sentenced to a lot less. How did the whole thing
unfold the same way I like to start every jury trial.
(02:14):
Let me start with the nine to one one call.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Listen twenty three heine on radio.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
That's one of the drowning cross between three.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
You can't tell a lot, but I learned something significant.
Let's hear that one more time.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Sid betweent three on radio. That's one of the drowning
cross twenty three here.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Now, some of those numbers are universal. Sometimes you hear
numbers across the lease ban or on an ems that
are specific to that region. But what I'm hearing that
really jumps out at me is response to the drowning.
So at the beginning, it was believed that the friends
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start died of drowning because that's what was reported to them.
But what do we really know? Take a listen to
our friends at crime online.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year
old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.
Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and
the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid
use disorder. The manner of death has been ruled an accident.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Okay, see, I'm a trial lawyer, and that is why
the medical examiners and everybody at the crime lab would
go hide under their desk when they saw my beat
up Honda pulling up, because they knew I was going
to go through it line by line literally to make
sense of what they wrote down in their scientific findings.
(04:10):
What acute effects of ketamine. Other contributing factors were, drowning,
coronary artery disease, be prefer blue boo used to treat
opioid disorder, manner of death, accident. There's so much there.
I could do a whole flow chart on that to
try to explain all that to a jury. Luckily we
(04:32):
have experts with us. But first I'm going to go
to a special guest joining us, Miguel Melndez, joining us,
senior writer for E. T. Entertainment tonight, Miguel, what a
pleasure to have you on. Man. This scent shock waves
through not only Hollywood, but across our country. Because I'm
going to follow this up with our shrink Karen Stark.
We think we know Matthew Perry. Why because we've seen
(04:56):
him on the big screen, we've seen him on the
little screen. We follow up in the tabloids. We think
we know him and about his life. We've been following
his struggle with addiction, and a lot of people can
identify with that. If you haven't had that struggle in somebody,
you know, somebody close to you has had that struggle.
(05:17):
So Matthew Perry was kind of like every man that
was struggling with a lot. But to you, Miguel Melendez,
I want to go before I get into Matthew Perry
himself and how it ended up this way, I want
to talk to you about what happened, what surrounded the
discovery of Matthew Perry dead in a hot tub leading
(05:40):
up to that. Tell me about the discovery and what
came out at the time that he was first discovered
dead in hot tub.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Right, So what we know the timeline is that at
eleven am, Matthew has played pickleball. At one thirty seven
pm is when Matthew was last known to be alive
by his personal living assistant to live with him in
the Pacific Polacy Home home.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
He was off to.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Run errand at one thirty seven pm, the living assistant
returned home and found Matthew floating face down in the jacuzzi.
The assistant jumped into the pool, moved Matthew into the
sitting position on the steps of the pool, and found
him by the way on the heated side of the pool.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Called nine one one.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Paramedics arrived and they moved and they pulled Matthew out
of the p.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Okay, hold on, Miguel, You're giving me so much information
so quickly. I'm drinking from the fire hydrate, because Miguel,
you know I like to dissect every single sentence, and
I loved everything you just said as far as factually
what I'm learning. Could you say it again, very slowly? Okay?
Did you say the living assistant found him?
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Okay. Why did Matthew Perry have a live and assistant?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That I can answer you, Nancy, I don't know the
exact circumstances.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Of what led to that.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I do know that the living assistant, based on this report,
is that he administered the the detox on Matthew twice
a day.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
That's important. Miguel Melendez, hold on, Miguel, hold the thought.
Guys with me. He's a senior writer for entertainment tonight.
You all know him. Miguel Melndez giving us everything we
need to know to analyze this drug ketamine that claimed
the life of Matthew Perry. Karen el start joining me
(07:22):
Renown TV radio trauma expert at Karenstark dot com. Karen
with a C if you're trying to find her, Karen, So,
is it like a minder you have with AA that.
I don't think they call it a minder. They call
it something else, someone that checks in on you. It's
like your partner, your buddy, that kind of that's who
(07:44):
you call when you have a problem or you're going
to relapse. Is that what you think is happening here?
He had somebody to help him.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
It's called a sponsor, and his assistant. She was his sponsor.
She was his minder, as you said, Nancy, So she
was there. She could not stop him from taking something,
but certainly was trying. That was her role to make
sure that he was on the straight and narrow and
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sticking to his determination to stop. And he was very
open about it. But he really did want to stop
taking drugs recreationally.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Really did, and he made no secret about it. What
led up to that moment Miguel Melndez is describing. But
first again, Miguel, could you tell me the assistant comes in.
You said he was near the heater end of the
hot tub.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
So at four pm, the living assistant walks in from
running errands find Matthew Perry floating space down into jacuzi
in the heated end of the pool. The assistant jumped
into the pool, moved Matthew into the sitting position on
the steps.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Of the pool, and called nine one one.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Paramedics soon arrived, pulled Matthew out of the pool onto
the grass, where he was pronounced that at the scene.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You know, I think I had at bass akwors Migham Melendez.
I was saying hot tub because I've read jacuzie. But
was the jacuzzi or the hot tub part of the pool.
Was he in a pool or was he in a
hot tub or chacuzie.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
It looked like it was a long pool that has
a jacuzi and if they're not two separate.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay, that makes perfect sense. Okay, guys, what led up
to this moment? Take a listen to our friend Nicole Parton.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Matthew Perry went to his country club to play a
game of pickleball with friends around eleven am. Perry returned
to his home after the game and was seen by
his assistant, who was leaving the house to run Errand's
at one thirty seven pm. At four o'clock PM, the
assistant returned to the home. Investigator Jennifer Hertzog says the
assistant found Perry floating face down in the heat end
(10:00):
of the pool. The assistant jumped into the pool and
moved him into a sitting position on the steps and
called nine to one one. Paramedics responded, pulled Perry out
of the pool and onto the grass, and pronounced him
dead on the scene at four seventeen PM. His stepfather,
Keith Morrison is listed as the informant, which means the
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dateline host is who identified Perry to authorities.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Oh my goodness, Smuson is so horrible. On the stepfather
to have to do that after the struggle he Matthew
Perry went through so publicly against substance abuse. Mike McCormick
joining me out of LA owner lead investigator mcm Investigations.
Mike McCormick, thank you for being with us. I'm very
(10:45):
curious Matthew Perry had been so open and public about
his battle with addiction. Who I mean, even I know
about that two thousand miles away, who would be supple
flying him drugs, ketamine and all the other things in
his system.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
It was either prescribed to him that Kennedy was prescribed,
or he's getting it off the street. There's only several
ways of doing it. My understanding is that the from
he's a assistant or a past girlfriend miss edwards that
she's been involved with him off and on from about
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two thousand and six, and she used to purchase his
drugs off the street for him.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace in the last days a
U turn. Doctor Salvador Pacinsia, the doctor who supplied Matthew
Perry with kennamine, knowing that Perry struggled with addiction, had
(12:00):
insisted on a trial pled not guilty, but then takes
a surprise plea deal. Why is a sweetheart deal in
the works. Of course, he's going to stay on bond
awaiting sentencing that never bodes will What happened to Matthew
Perry and what role in his death did Placensia play.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
Federal prosecutors allege that Perry first obtains ketamine from an
unscrupulous doctor, aiming to take advantage of the actor's addiction issues.
Doctor Salvador Placentia teaches Perry's living assistant, Kenneth Ewa Masa,
how to administer the drug and provides ketamine to both
Perry and Ewa Masa at exorbitant prices. When the drugs
become too expensive, Perry and Ewamasa turned to street dealers,
(12:44):
including Jasvin Sogha, dubbed the Ketamine Queen.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
What in last hours, a very dear and intimate friend
of Matthew Perry says she doesn't think that ketamine is
the cause of death. Why and what would be the
cause of death and what leads her to say that?
This is what the medical examiner has to say.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year
old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.
Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and
the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid
use disorder. The manner of death has been ruled an accident.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
what we're learning right now, but with me a special guest.
Rowena Chew, activist and former assistant to Harvey Weinstein. His
name tastes like dirt in my mouth. Convicted on multiple rapes,
(13:48):
and she has just written a New York Times guest essay,
I was a celebrity assistant. The power and balance is
very real. Rowen and che thank you for being with us.
I enjoyed your article. I read it several times over
and I try to compare what you're saying in your
situation with Harvey Weinstein. Maye write in Hell two Matthew
(14:13):
Perry's assistant number one. Matthew Perry was not a criminal.
I was not a rapist number one. But you point
out assistants often do things that are, let me just say,
legally and ethically questionable in your case, what does that mean.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
In my case, I worked for Harvey for only a
couple of months, and so I didn't have the opportunity
to do things that were ethically and legally immoral. But
I was making the points that the power balance is
so huge assistants don't get the chance to say no.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
You also pointed out a quote that compared assistants that
may do illegal acts or unethical acts to the guards
and askewards that they knew what was happening was wrong,
And you make a very subtle yet important distinction, explying
(15:19):
a comparison was really with.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Ordinary folks that lived in Nazi Germany, whether or not
you can hold them accountable for the events that happened
in the country. So I'm really making a point about
bystanders that don't have any real power themselves, and they
are essentially a visible or they don't have an identity
of their own, and they don't have the autonomy to
make decisions, and so I feel that celebrity assistance I
(15:44):
also called them Butler's. I constantly felt that I was invisible,
I had no autonomy. I frequently didn't really have a
name of my own. I would call people up and
say I'm calling from Harvey Weinstein's office, but I wouldn't
mention my own name because I was adding significant. So
when you're in a power balance where you're that insignificant,
I think it is incredibly difficult to be then thrust
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into the spotlight and held responsible for something as serious
as somebody's death. I think that I am attempting to
shed light on the fact that Kenneth Iwamasa may have
had absolutely zero choice in a way that the ordinary
person can't understand. He was a living assistant, the power
imbalance would have been enormous.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
At the end of your article, I noted that you
stated it is often too easy to turn the butler
into the scapegoat. Do you believe that Matthew Perri's assisted
who injected him with that deadly dose is a scapegut?
Speaker 8 (16:50):
I think he may have been put in an incredibly
difficult situation. Not only was his employment on the line,
but likely his involvement in the industry as a whole.
It could have been that he did not have another residence,
and so as a living assistant, you know, really there's
a power back dynamic on many different levels. I also
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think in the Weinstein case, at least that there were
many circles of power, enablement, and entitlement that were far
more deserving of perhaps the legal system going after than assistants.
You know, for example, Harvey Weinstein had accountants and board
members that certainly knew of what was happening. So I
(17:32):
think the assistants. I'm merely making the point that the assistants,
I suppose are the lowest rung on the ladder, and
I think to hold them accountable and responsible for the
actions taken by a celebrity, it doesn't take into account
the enormous power difference between a celebrity and his assistant.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
A Rowena two is joining US activist former assistant to
Harvey Weinstein, who has just written a guest essay Four
of the Times titled I would say celebrity assistant power
and balance is very real miss to I deeply respect
you and what you have to say and your viewpoint,
and I highly highly disagree with you in your case
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or some other assistants, not necessarily Weinstein's other assistants, Comparing
that to what iro Massa did in Perry's case, knowing
that he had had seizures just sixteen days where he
was unable to move or speak after eketymine injection, knowing
(18:37):
that I consider this much much more serious. But I'll
circle back to you missed you in just one moment,
and again I do appreciate what you're saying, but I
find it vastly, vastly different than the case of Matthew
Perry's assistant. Speaking of the facts, Let's go to KILEB. Brantley,
joining us investigative reporter with the Daily Mail, who's been
(18:58):
on this case from the very very beginning. What I
find very interesting right now is that it's all business
as usual. Matthew Perry dies in the hot tub with
a fatal overdose. The doctor you had to put up
like one hundred thousand dollars bond. Really that's ten thousand dollars,
and regular people talk you put up ten percent. He's gone,
(19:21):
he's out. The so called ketamine queen has not been sentenced.
The assistant, Kenneth Ewamasa, has not been sentenced. Why I
think that the Feds. Have you ever seen a cat
with a little mouse, just back and forth and back
and forth until it bites its head off. I think
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that's what the FEDS are doing right now. They're playing
toying with the various defendants in order to get them
to talk to name other celebrity doctors and other pill
meals headed by doctors in LA and other celebrities. I
think that's what's happening. But to you, Kiala Brandley Daily Mail,
(20:04):
tell me the latest. We've got the doctor back to work.
A lot of people haven't been sentenced. The other celebrity doctors,
including one that just got shot in the last day
of Celebrity Doctor. He was assassinated in his parking lot.
Following all of the drama surrounding Matthew Perry's death and
(20:25):
what's being uncovered hamid mershow Jay was shot in his
parking lot. He was a celeb doctor focusing on addiction.
But I bet a lot of celebrities and a list
doctors are quaking in their boots right now. Keila, what's happening? Yeah, Nancy.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
So what we know so far, at least when it
comes to Matthew Perry is that doctor salvageor Pfensia he
is back practicing. He is forbidden by the Drug Enforcement
Administration the DEA from prescribing controlled substances, turned over his
license that would let him prescribe but he can still
practice medicine under certain conditions that he works at an
(21:04):
urgent care in Malibu, and the only difference now is
that his patients have to sign a written consent form
for treatment that basically acknowledges and discloses that he is
under investigation and lets him know what's going on. But
his patients can still see him. He can still practice.
The only difference is that he cannot provide, you know,
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lethal doses of ketamine as he is alleged to have
done to Matthew Perry, and the same goes for doctor
Mark Chavis has also surrendered his DEA license and therefore
cannot subscribe to control substances. However, these men are out
able to practice, able to you know, continue living their
(21:45):
daily lives. As you said, doctor Papensia put up one
hundred thousand dollars bond and he's out. But they will
have to await sentencing and you know, see if they
can continue to live their life or a fee space for.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Music continue to live their lives. Hella Brandley, Daily Mail.
Matthew Perry can't live his life, and he's not the
only one. We now have identified two potential suspects but
two potential victims other victims of the ketamine queen, both
dead but right now to Mike McCormick, owner lead investigator
(22:19):
MCM Investigations, former LAPD ever twenty five years. You can
find him at MCMM mother c corpus mmotherinvestigations dot com.
Mike really boohoo. He can't prescribe control substances. That's his punishment.
(22:41):
He's back and his fancy sports car and his fancy
condo and his fancy office to the stars making money
handover fist. He can't prescribe dea control substances. I guess not.
But you know what he can do. He can get
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another doctor, a straw doctor as it were, as it were,
to write those prescriptions for him. Let me think of
an example. Okay, psychologists cannot prescribe certain medications, right they can't.
They work in tandem with a psychiatrist and they get
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the psychiatrist to write the prescription, see what I mean.
So he can be doing that. He can have a
straw doc actually write the prescriptions. This is such bs.
Why is he not in a jail cell? Perry is
dead and you know what everybody's talking about his net
(23:46):
worth in fact, his home is being remodeled near the
hot tub man that's going right on the market. It's
like it never.
Speaker 10 (23:55):
Happened, exactly exactly. This is a outcome of a link
you justice system.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Joining me Psychoanalyst to the stars, Doctor Bethany Marshall, author
of deal Breaker, and you can also see her on
peacock and find her a doctor Bethanymarshall dot com dotor Bethanye.
I want to circle back with you about how this
doctor continue treating celebrity patients with the use of a
straw doctor. How easy that would be. But we now
(24:28):
know this doctor, this doctor knew very well that Matthew
Perry had actually seized up. In other words, he could
not speak or move for an extended period of time
to sixteen days before he died. Yet everything was business
(24:48):
as usual.
Speaker 11 (24:49):
Listen details of Harry's last days in a federal indictment
reveal it was very clear to doctor Placentia that Perry's
ketemine injections were causing a total loss of awareness. The
indictment documents three separate occasions where Perry froze up after
receiving the medication, with Placentia commenting, let's not do that again.
Speaker 12 (25:10):
Defendant Placentia knew full well the danger of what he
was doing. In fact, on one occasion, he injected mister
Perry with ketamine and he saw mister Perry freeze up
and his blood pressure spike. Despite that, he left additional
vials of ketamine for defendant Iwamasa to administer to mister Perry.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
And he's free. If you or I caused the death
of a superstar like Matthew Perry, we would be under
the jail. So why is he free and why is
it very murky, very unclear as to the status of
the other defendants because the FEDS are squeezing them to talk.
(25:55):
That's why joining me Todd Barr Doctor Todd bar Board
certified anatomic clinical forensic pathologist. I'm very curious. Oh yes,
he's also featured in Thin Places Essays, Essays from in
Between Dodger, thank you for being with us. I've been
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researching and investigating what exactly happened to Matthew Perry when
he quote froze. That's hardly a medical description, but I've
learned that there was apparently a significant spike in his
systolic blood blood pressure. What does that mean? High Nancy,
(26:38):
thank you.
Speaker 13 (26:39):
So a spike in his systolic blood pressure just means
that he is having a hypertensive crisis. His blood pressure
is elevated to a point.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Kind of right there, right there, What do you mean
hypertensive crisis?
Speaker 13 (26:53):
That means his blood pressure is at a high level,
such a high.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Level that it could cause death.
Speaker 13 (27:00):
I mean people die from extreme fluctuations in their blood pressure.
Blood pressure is supposed to live in an average, in
a normal range. If you get too high, it's hypertensive.
If you get too low, it's hypotensive. And either of
those hyper or hypo can cause death.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
So when he quote froze up, what does that indicate
to you? Is that some sort of a stroke or
a near stroke? What's a systolic spike in blood pressure?
Speaker 13 (27:30):
I would say the term froze up to me sounds
more like a seizure like activity, like a tonic chlonic
seizure where the muscles contract and you get into this.
Ketamine is actually known for its anti convulsive properties. It's
used to treat seizures, but in high doses it can
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actually cause seizures. And as we know by the reports
that are out there to Perry was administered extremely high
doses of this this drug ketamine, which is an anesthetic drug.
He was actually found with the levels that were compatible
(28:16):
with surgery and that you know, anesthesia that you would
need for surgical procedures.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
It reminds me a great deal of Conrad Murray injecting
Michael Jackson with propofol, and it took you know, hell
and high water to get Conrad Murray charged and convicted.
But even that conviction was not enough to send sufficient
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shot waves through the celebrity doctor network in Hollywood. And
now Matthew Perry is dead. You know it's Cala Brandtley's
joining me, investigative reporter with the Daily Mail. KLA. I
understand that the doctor who is now living alive, he's
not in jail like everybody else would be connected to
a death. He would provide the medication, the ketamine along
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with Kenemine Queen for the assistant to make at home
ketamine injections. Now, I heard what Rowena Chu said that
the power balance is way off. But shouldn't you know instinctively,
especially after Perry was having seizures just days before, that
(29:34):
you should not be injecting ketamine to Matthew Perry at home.
I mean, this assistant needs to be in jail, along
with the doctor and the ketamine queen, the street supplier.
They all need to be in jail and we need
to know their sentences. So what's happening, kil, I don't
(29:55):
understand what's the hold up?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Right?
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Well?
Speaker 9 (29:58):
Maybe I also want to break down exactly how much
ketymine was distributed to Matthew Perry. The doctors Chavis and
Placentia distributed twenty vials of kenemine to Perry for fifty
five thousand dollars in cash. That's charging him two thousand
dollars for a vial, and that vile cost doctor Chavi
is just twelve dollars. So you can imagine how much
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money they were making off Perry. And that's the point
that the prosecutors were making. Now, the kenemy queen Sanga,
she sold about fifty vials of the drugs to Perry
with Fleming delivering the product that Eric Flemming, the Hollywood producer,
and they sold it to him for eleven thousand dollars.
So these people were making a lot of money off
of Perry's addiction, and they clearly knew as you said
(30:43):
he was seizing up, and then you had the person
who was injecting him, who was his trusted assistant. So
you make a great point that you know these people
should be held accountable, and that's exactly what the prosecutors
are trying to do.
Speaker 12 (30:56):
They distributed approximately twenty vials of ketamine to mister Perry
in exchange for fifty five thousand dollars in cash. Defendant
Placentia saw this as an opportunity to profit off of
mister Perry. He wrote in a text message in September
twenty twenty three, quote.
Speaker 14 (31:16):
I wonder how much this moron will pay.
Speaker 12 (31:20):
He also stated in text messages that he wanted to
be mister Perry's sole source of supply. He wrote in
a text message that he wanted to be mister Perry's
quote go to for drugs.
Speaker 14 (31:32):
Matthew Perry's assistant allegedly found Perry in similar circumstances two
times in the same week of his tragic.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Death, joining us Rowena Chew, former assistant to Harvey Weinstein,
who just wrote a New York Times guest essay, I
was a celebrity assistant. The power imbalance is very real.
You just heard other examples that celebrity assistants have named.
Do you believe that in this case the assistant is
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being scapegoated or do you believe he is rightfully being
prosecuted as it relates to Matthew Perry's death. I do
believe he's being scapegoated.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
I mean, we just heard about how other players in
this system are making insane amounts of money, and I
asked you to think about what to see assistants stand
again in that equation, what does.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
The money have to do with it? Rowena, Would it
make it okay if he was paid more money?
Speaker 8 (32:29):
Oh no, absolutely not. I'm not saying that anybody was
doing anything right. However, there's a big difference between the
amounts of money the doctors and the drug dealers were
making and what did the assistants stand to gain. I
believe the assistant was just trying to survive. He wasn't
making staggering amounts of money, and so therefore his incentive
to do what he did was very different from the
doctors and the drug dealers. He wasn't out there trying
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to get something for himself. He was merely trying to
survive his job. There's a big difference.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
In that, so you believe the difference and whether he
should be held criminally culpable is whether he was getting
paid for shooting Matthew Perry up to his death.
Speaker 8 (33:07):
I don't think that there's a huge incentive for him
to push this agenda, and therefore I don't believe that
he was pushing the agenda. He was merely doing what
he was told to do under incredibly strenuous circumstances. So
I'm merely saying that as a point of coercion, the
assistant is not really this person who should be staygoated.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
That there are.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
Layers of privilege and abuse of power that are far
greater than that. And you know, we can easily point
to doctors and drug dealers who were making vast amounts
of money and had a huge incentive to push this
kind of an agenda.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
And are actually still making vast amounts of money. Mike
McCormick joining me, lead investigator of MCM investigations in Hollywood.
Mike McCormick, Oh, respect for Rowen and Chew, but I
think that's complete BS. I don't agree at all. Everybody
in Hollywood is making money off Slayer. Celebs are making
money off the studios. The studios are making money off
(34:04):
us and advertisers. That's how it works in Hollywood. It's
like one bloodsucker sucking on the next bloodsucker, just like ticks,
you know, stuck to the animal. But Mike McCormick, why
aren't they in jail number one? And what do you
(34:25):
make of what Rowena is saying that the assistant is
the scapegoat. I think they should all be put in
the same pot to boil and all be tried together
as it relates to Perry's death.
Speaker 10 (34:39):
Well, I don't think the assistant is being scapegoated. I
just think he was being more loyal, just doing what
the boss wanted him to do. It had nothing to
do with money, was job security and loyalty.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Okay, hold on to some moment, doctor Bethany. Maybe I'm
not articulating my point that, well, the assistant lives in
a mansion, he makes plenty of money, he rubs elbows
with all of the stars, a drives a beautiful luxury car.
Maybe I'm not understanding his poor conditions. I don't see it, Nancy.
Speaker 15 (35:19):
I have a unique perspective on this because these assistants
sometimes come to my office. One in particular was the
major domo for one of the wealthiest men in the
world and had to stand around serving palomas to the
family all day long alcoholic beverages, and he became so
disgusted because one of the family members was drunk all
(35:40):
day long.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
He was traumatized.
Speaker 15 (35:42):
He came to therapy and said, I just cannot do
this anymore, and he left the job. So, yes, these
assistants are vulnerable in the sense that they often do
things they don't want to do, but they do have
agency in the world. And I think in particular, when
you are potentially committing homicide, that's a breach of duty,
(36:06):
that's lack of judgment that a ten year old knows
not to do.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Right.
Speaker 15 (36:11):
We just know basically, you don't kill somebody if you
administer a drug they sees you don't administer the drug. Again,
I mean, I'm sorry, but this assistant could have gone
and worked at a bar would probably I would prefer
to scrub floors then to inject somebody with a substance
(36:32):
that could kill them. It is just common sense. Of course,
there's a power imbalance. Of course, there's a power in
balance in life for all of.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Us exactly, you know, Caleb Brantley, I want to follow
up on what doctor Bethany is saying. Caleb Brantley joining
us from Daily Mail call. And we understand that Matthew
Perry's mansion is being renovated, especially around the hot of
the pool area where he died. Seems as if for Hollywood,
including the prosecutors, it's just business as usual. The doctor
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is back and his clinic treating patients and making a
ton of money. There are no sentences on the people
that have agreed to plead guilty. It just seems as
if everyone's acting as though nothing happened. Matthew Perry is dead.
These people, according to the FEDS, are responsible. Why aren't
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they behind bars Killa And what if anything can you
tell me about when these people are going to jail?
And one other question. Apparently one of Perry's intimate friends
states that he Perry was deathly afraid of needles and
(37:52):
she is questioning the real cood Killa Listen.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
One of Perry's former assistants and ex girlfriend, Edwards, says
she does not believe Perry could have possibly been taking ketamine.
Edwards describes Perry's intense fear of needles, saying he wouldn't
even consider a tattoo due to the phobia. Edwards was
no stranger to Perry's addiction and told him he would
die in an argument over his drug use. Perry's response quote,
you only die when you use needles, and I would
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never ever do that.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Caleb Brantley, what about it? This person an intimate friend
of Perry's, raising the specter of another cood cause of death.
Speaker 9 (38:28):
I understand that, Nancy, But it was Katie Edwards. She
dated him back in two thousand and six, worked as
an assistant until like twenty eleven, so while they were
still friends, they hadn't dated in a while. And I
understand that she said that he had a fear of this.
But Matthew Perry himself had written in his book about
these ketamine infusions that he was taking and how it
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felt and how it was helping him. So I personally
am not so sure of that theory. And you do
have his assistant and everyone and basically admitting to injecting him,
And back to your point of why aren't these people
you know behind bars and what's going on? I think
right now it's just a waiting game. We have had
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clee deals which have gotten us more information from the assistant,
from the friend, from one of the doctors, so I
think we will be seeing more in due time. There
will be a sentence. They will end up safing the
consequences of their actions.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace. Now, in a statement, Placinsia's
lawyer reads out, doctor Placentsia is profoundly remorseful for the
treatment decisions he made while providing Kennymine to Matthew Perry. Well,
(39:52):
he can't even say I'm sorry himself. Placisia is playing
guilty to drug distribution and we'll surrender his medical license.
I know that much. I wonder what the sentence will be.
I know that in exchange for guilty, please, prosecutors have
agreed to drop three additional accounts of distribution and two
(40:15):
counts of falsifying records. Hmmm, what more do we know
about his role in the Friends Star's death?
Speaker 14 (40:25):
Did the drug dealer dub the ketamine queen refer to
Matthew Perry by his friend's character name, and.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
That would be his affinity Matthew Perry's afinity with Batman,
and he would call himself Matman, but according to sources,
the so called ketamine Queen Jasvine Songhai referred to him
as Chandler in their texts and emails when they would
(40:56):
talk about drugs and drug deliveries code named Chandler. Wow,
that was a toughie. Apparently, celebrities and celebrity doctors alike
across Hollywood are quaking in their boots, afraid that the
so called ketamine Queen is going to rat them out
in exchange for a sweetheart deal from the fees. The
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so called Kenemine Queen, the one that supplied Matthew Perry
with the deadly dose of ketamine that ended in his death.
Are there other victims? Yes, listen.
Speaker 11 (41:34):
Jazzvien Songha sells Cody mclowery several vials of ketamine. Later
that same day, mclowry's family finds him dead. A family
member tells Sogha her ketamine cos Mclowry's overdose death, and
Songha googles can ketamine be listed as a cause of death.
Speaker 7 (41:51):
Eric Fleming, who reportedly acted as a program director at
the bel Air rehab Red Door, also had a resident
die on his watch. William Cooney, thirty six, was dead
of a fental overdose in his bathroom at the facility.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
So those are two alleged victims. Two more victims of
the Ketemine Queen. That makes three if those two victims
are to be believed. In fact, Cody's family is speaking
out against the Ketemine Queen. And is she talking? Is
she making a deal with the fedes to get a
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light sentence in exchange for ratting out other slips and
other doctors? Man, she needs a lot of money to
support this lifestyle. So what is the connection between the
Ketemine Queen and the other alleged victims? All dead?
Speaker 16 (42:43):
Coming to light are broke Mueller's deep ties to suspects
Fleming and Soanha. Mueller spent time with Sanghai in one
of her many rehabs Dens, and Fleming is reportedly a
godfather to one of Mueller's children. Mueller reportedly pressured then
boyfriend William Cooney to join her at Powl Fleming's rehab
program where Kune the overdosed and died. Mueller may well
have introduced Fleming and Songhaw to Perry as shortcuts to
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feed his addiction. Federal prosecutors report that Mueller is cooperating
with the investigation and is not facing any charges.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Let me understand Caleb Brantley joining us from dailymail dot com.
The so called Kennymine queen Songha meets up with who
in rehab and let me see is Brittan Mueller, who
apparently was very close to Matthew Perry. Now how does
that connect into Songhaw the dealer.
Speaker 9 (43:34):
Well, all roads are kind of leading back to Jasine Songha,
the Kennymine Queen. She was a supplier of multiple people.
And now we do find this connection between Brooke Mueller,
who spent time with Matthew Perry in rehab. They were
close friends. And then we have Eric Flemming, who was
a director at the rehab center where this man William
(43:57):
Cooney had passed away. So it's all there is a
circular connection of going back to Sangha and I'm not
have been on the radar for a while. Back in
March twenty twenty four, the Fed rated her house and
they called it a drug imporium. These seventy nine bottles
that some had tested positive for keettymine. So this is
(44:19):
no surprise that Jasinfanga is involved in this Matthew Perry case.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Now two more alleged victims of this woman living the
high life that supplied the deadly dose to Matthew Perry.
Now would he be her third victim? Why has it
taken that to bring her to justice? Are those investigations
ongoing now? This, by far, is not the first time
(44:48):
a celebrity has died with enablers circling them like vultures. Listen,
I've heard.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
How you doing.
Speaker 14 (44:57):
It's a security from Burly Hilton.
Speaker 7 (44:58):
Hi, what going on?
Speaker 2 (44:59):
I need the paramedic only. I got a forty thic
yur old female I found in the bathroom, but a
fellow guy right now.
Speaker 12 (45:03):
But they're requesting paramedica now, Okay, fello about them.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
I love Ry mccannal.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
I'm not sure if you fellow if he was in
the bathroom.
Speaker 9 (45:08):
With the water four four four three four.
Speaker 6 (45:11):
I'm sorry for the room four three fourth yet, Okay,
they're not you fought for anything else?
Speaker 1 (45:15):
There's room four three four thirty four.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, okay, you don't know see a.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Country of bathing at all.
Speaker 14 (45:19):
Apparently she wasn't breathing and she's toy sex curled.
Speaker 9 (45:22):
He was not breathing.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Whinney Houston surrendered by enablers. Ultimately it cost her her life.
Then there is John Belushi, one of the greatest comedians
that ever lived. He was shot up with drugs at
the Chateau Marmont and his assistant did hard jail time
after shooting him up. Bobby Christina Whitney's daughter od. He
(45:47):
goes on and on and on. Of course, Michael Jackson,
Aaron Carter, Chris Farley went to rehab sixteen times. His
younger brother finds him dead in his apartment. Of course,
Prince died a deadly opioid injection. Goes all the way
(46:08):
back to Elvis, China, Amy Winehouse and a Nicole spiraled
down a drug hole while everyone supported that and enabled her.
Kurt Cobain, River Phoenix. It goes on and on, and
(46:30):
the enablers are never brought to justice. Straight out to
Mike McCormick, mcm investigations. Don't you know, the catamine Queen
and all of them. They're like rats on a sinking ship,
are ready to deal, ready to name names, addresses, phone numbers,
(46:52):
little black books to save their own skin. You don't
think they're talking to the FEDS right now? Oh?
Speaker 10 (46:57):
Absolutely, yeah, they're gonna tell them everything they want to
know to stay out to jail.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
To Todd Barr joining us doctor Barr, Board certified and
atomic clinical forensic pathologist, Doctor Barr, what do you notice
about the death certificate?
Speaker 13 (47:13):
So, Nancy, I have a lot of real issues with
the way this case was decided. As a forensic expert,
I have been involved in prosecutions of crimes that involved
other people distributing or administering drugs to a victim. The
very definition of a homicide is death at the hands
(47:36):
of another period, whether it's by omission or comission. In
this case comission. They brought in drugs, they injected them
into Matthew Perry's body. They should be charged with a homicide.
They should be charged with murder straight up everyone that's involved. Now,
the second part of this is the official cause of
(47:58):
death was listed as the acute effects of ketamine, and
then other conditions or contributing conditions included drowning. Now, there
are certain stigmata of drowning that you see at autopsy.
If those are present, then a drowning occurred. So Matthew
Perry's death is literally because of drowning. But then there's
(48:20):
a part B or drowning due to the intoxicating effects
of ketamine. So he was so dissociative and esthetized that
he slipped under the water. If they're going to list
drowning as a contributing factor, then that means they had
evidence that he drowned.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
So it should have been listed as a drowning.
Speaker 13 (48:41):
Number one due to the effects of ketamine, and the
manner of death should have been listed as homicide. So
I have a very strong opinion about the way this
death certificate was worded, and I believe that sometimes when
it's worded this way, defendants get off a lot easier.
I don't know if in LA they have something going
(49:02):
where they were these death certificates in a way so
people get off a little easier.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
But that's my take too. Rowen and she joining us
former assistant to Harvey Weinstein now activists, who has just
written a New York Times guest essay called I was
a celebrity assistant. The power and balance is a very
real thought to you, Rowena, what do you make of
it all?
Speaker 8 (49:24):
I think there are levels of power that we could
go after that are much more intense than that of
the assistant. I think the assistant, being the lowest run
on the ladder, probably is the last person that anyone
should go after because he has read his little autonomy.
I'm not saying that no one should be held accountable.
I'm saying that there are levels of power above him
that should be accountable before he is.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Doctor Salvadora Placinsia has been free on bond since his
arrest all the way back in August, and he will
remain free until his centising on December three. So what's
there to complain about. It has been said he is
not a flight risk. I don't know about that, but
(50:05):
I do know he was well aware Matthew Perry was
using ketamine, that he was an addict, yet he steal
handed it over hand, over fist. Of course. The doctor
leaves the courthouse surrounded by lawyers without speaking to anyone
gathered outside.
Speaker 15 (50:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
According to reports, Placentsia in a text message, called Matthew
Perry a quote moron who he Placentsia could exploit for money.
That's the doctor. We wait as justice unfold. Nancy Grace
(50:49):
signing off, goodbye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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