October 30, 2023 • 41 mins
An 11-year-old girl’s brother thinks his sister is leaving for school, but it's 5:30 in the morning.
Then the boy realizes that it's Sunday. He calls his mother, who is working overnights. Mom comes home and calls the Wayne Police Department.
The mom tells police this is not the first time the girl has gone missing. A missing person's report was filed in June, but the 11-year-old returned 90 minutes later, telling her mother that she had met up with a man named Darius, whom, she had been talking to on the online game platform Roblox.
The girl was grounded after the incident, and access to the online platforms was taken away, but as North Jersey.com reports, the mother now thinks the girl may have used other family members' phones to continue to communicate with 27-year-old Darius Matylewich.
When he was contacted by the police, Matylewich denied knowing the girl's whereabouts. Finally, Matylewich admitted to picking up the girl and driving her back across the state line to his home in Bear, Delaware, 135 miles away from Wayne, New Jersey. Darius Matylewich is charged with first-degree kidnapping and third-degree endangering the welfare of a child.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Fran Longwell – Former Deputy State’s Attorney, Former Assistant State’s Attorney (specializing in child abuse, sex offenses and homicides)
- Dr. Shari Schwartz– Forensic Psychologist (specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy); Twitter: @TrialDoc; Author: “Criminal Behavior” and “Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology”
- Barry Golden - Former Senior Inspector for the U.S. Marshals Service, Owner of Golden Consulting and Investigations
- Titania Jordan – Chief Parent Officer, Bark Parental Controls; Author: “Parenting In A Tech World;” Instagram/Twitter: @TitaniaJordan
- William Slater – Cybersecurity Expert and Chief Information Security Officer at Slater Technologies. Inc.
- Alexis Tereszcuk - CrimeOnline.com Investigative Reporter, Writer/Fact Checker at Lead Stories; Twitter: @swimmie2009
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
A little girl just eleven years old, just turned eleven,
kidnapped by a grown man she meets online playing roadblocks.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
My son plays roadblocks all over the world. Tweens and
teens play roadblocks. How in the hay did he get
his mitts on an eleven year old girl? A grown man?
Number one? What is he doing playing roadblocks? Shouldn't he
(00:49):
have a job? But number two? Is he chatting this
little girl up online and luring her? Well, it worked
because he kidnapped her. I mean, see, Grace, this is
Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here on
Crime Stories and on series XM one eleven. First of all,
(01:11):
how did it go down? Listen?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
It was an odd and early start to the school day.
An eleven year old girl's brother thinks his sister is
leaving for school early. It's around five thirty in the morning.
But then the boy realized it was Sunday. He calls
his mother, who is working overnights. Mom comes home, calls
the Wayne Police Department.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Interesting, very interesting, So this is a Sunday. He thinks
it's a school day and at five thirty am, the
little sister is already gone and this boy. The brother
of course calls mommy little did they know that Sunday
(01:51):
morning at five thirty am what was about to unfold?
Joining me in All Star panel to make sense of
what we know right now. But Alexis Estchuk first to
you Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Alexis tell me
about where the little girl lives. I know it's in
New Jersey, that the little girl was kidnapped all the
(02:18):
way to bear Delaware. And where was mommy?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
She works overnights, she does she works a night shift,
and she was it was good morning, early in the morning,
five thirty morning, so she was not home yet from
her job. And this little girl, she lives in Wayne,
New Jersey. It's about thirty minutes north of New York City,
and it is it's actually Wayne is a nice area
(02:47):
of New Jersey. So they were living in a hotel.
This is temporary housing for the family. They were living
kind of in a long term hotel area. The little
girl was home with her brother while mommy was at work.
So he noticed she got up, she went to she
gets up beside thirty in the morning. She gets up
to walk outside, and he thinks, wow, she's just going
to school, and all of a sudden he realized this,
(03:09):
wait a minute, I'm not up that I'm not going
to school. It's Sunday. Why is she going to school?
So he called his mom immediately to report this.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I'm just trying to take in what you're saying. They
were staying kind of like an apartment suite with a
kitchen and a little den and several bedrooms in between
homes in Wayne, New Jersey. Now is it Wayne, New Jersey?
Or is it Wayne Township?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
They call them townships in New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Okay, Wayne Township is a suburb. The population is only
around fifty thousand people and has been voted quote one
of the best places to live in New Jersey, where
residents feel very safe and are able to afford to
(03:58):
own their own home. Interesting that it's still a very
residential area where you don't expect a little eleven year
old girl to get kidnapped.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Ancy, Can I tell you what's more about the town
because of this county, yes, please, is also where a
lot of the Real Housewives of New Jersey live.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Count On Alexis Terreschuk in the middle of a crime
store to tell me about the Real Housewives Okay. I'm
not sure which housewife is on which program, but I
do know they almost all have these huge, humongous houses,
like mega mansions. And every time I saw one on
a plane on Monday, the lady beside me was watching
(04:47):
the Housewives. I was watching the Office, she was watching
the Housewives. And even when they're just walking around their house,
they have on full hair, I mean big hair, the makeup,
the jewels, in really expensive clothes, and they visit each
other a lot in the middle of the day. So
I'm trying to what are you trying to tell me?
(05:08):
This is a really upscale neighborhood. If the Housewives in
New Jersey live there, it is, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
They do. They live in these ten thousand corewood houses.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
They're humongous.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
But I was just giving you some contact in the area.
And this family that is living in a small long
term residential hotel hotel.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Okay, So I'm trying to figure out now, even though
it's suburban, the tree lined streets, the whole thing, the Housewives,
the mansions, is still about twenty miles from New York,
right from New York City. Correct, Okay, but yet they
say they feel very safe. So another issue which I
(05:47):
find really interesting, and I'm going to go to a
special guest joining us. Ali McNeil. Ali is co founder
and executive director with revd Up Kids. And I met
Ali when I was trying to teach a course on
how to protect yourself your child once a child is
(06:08):
already snatched, and how to avoid being snatched. That's how
I know Ali, because Revved Up Kids is all about
saving yourself from kidnap. Allie. What people don't realize is
that predators are looking in residential areas. I told you, Alie,
I think I told you. My daughter asked me one
day she and mom, am I ever going to get
(06:28):
to take a walk alone? Well the first time she
said that, I said no, But the second or third
time she said, I'm like, sure, go for a walk. Well,
my husband and I had already laid out a plan
or I did, and he begrudgingly went along, thinking it
was unnecessary. I followed her surreptitiously. Halfway through the walk,
(06:49):
he came the other way, and once he laid eyes
on her, started backing up out of her view, of course,
until she was in eyesight of home. After you cover
so many cases of children getting snatched in residential areas.
What else can you do? I don't buy the free
range children method where they just go wherever they want,
(07:10):
like chickens out in the backyard in oh but residential neighborhoods.
Just because you're in a tree lined area with big
roads and mega mansions in the background with a housewives
and they are drinking it up, that doesn't mean your child.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Is safe, absolutely, Nancy. And here's the thing that we
have to be aware of. Kids do occasionally get snatched
off the street, but way more often these are people
now who are building relationships with these children in their
online worlds and creating a friendship or what feels like
a loving dating sort of dynamic with this child, and
(07:52):
then they convince the child to run away with them.
So no longer is you know, the predator just iving
up and snatching the kid off the sidewalk. They are
grooming and methodically building this relationship with these children in
their online world and a lot of it is happening
in the gaming environment, and a lot of it is
(08:13):
happening in the social media environment. So parents just need
to know it doesn't matter if you're sitting in a
million dollar home, you your child is very much vulnerable
to being approached by a predator in their online world.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Does anybody remember? It pains me to say it in
this way. Does anybody remember a thirteen year old old
girl just turned thirteen? She's like twelve in a day,
Nicole Lovell. No, I only knew Nicole and death, but
(08:48):
I got to speak to her mother many times. Nicole
Lovell met a Virginia Tech student, a star athlete. I
think he'd been valedictorian in high school as a star athlete.
His name was David Eisenhower, not Eisenhower, eisen Hour. And
(09:11):
he lured the little girl online. Because when you just
said alie' neil is joining me from Rep Duck Kids,
When you just said that the little girl thinks she's
in a romantic dating relationship, I think, how can an
eleven year old think they're in a romantic dating relationship?
How did they even know about a romantic dating relationship?
But Nicole Lovell, who had just turned thirteen, was lured
(09:35):
online by a Virginia Tech engineering student and they were
having full on sex, and he killed her so that
the truth would not come out that he had been
which is of course statutory rape. So the answer to that,
(09:57):
his answer was to kill her. Yes, in our world,
it's not a romantic dating relationship. But for a little girl.
Let me go to doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologists literally
author of the book Criminal Behavior and We're a law
in psychology intersect Doctor Sherry. I hear my son and
(10:18):
daughter talk about people dating in their class. I'm like,
you can't even drive, What do you mean you're dating?
Where do you go? They go, Oh, we just text.
That's what that is. So the children actually think they're
in a dating relationship, a romantic relationship because they're texting
or talking online or talking in roadblocks.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
That's correct. And imagine the amount of hours of contact
when you have your own phone and the person you're
texting with has their own phone, and you have this
immediate and long hours of contact back and forth and
back and forth, and when communicating and writing, you might
share things that you would be maybe embarrassed to say
(10:59):
if you're face to fated or in the limited amount
of time that you have that contact. So some pretty
deep social bonds, especially for kids who tend to be
trusting and not have the life experience to be able
to distinguish between truth and lies and things like that.
On a deeper level, this is very powerful, very powerful emotionally.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
You know, I want to hear that sound again. Plays
Jackie from our friend Dave Mac.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
It was an odd and early start to the school day.
An eleven year old girl's brother thinks his sister is
leaving for school early. It's around five point thirty in
the morning. But then the boy realized it was Sunday.
He calls his mother, who is working overnights. Mom comes home,
calls the Wayne Police Department.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
So Mommy comes home from work, and you know that's
trouble when you have to leave work to come home.
But Mommy comes straight home and calls nine to one
one the Wayne County Police Department. Interesting that this happens
in the early morning hours of a Sunday or the
Saturday night. Not share on the timing time stories with
(12:16):
Nancy Grace joining me right now. In addition to Ali Neil,
executive director of Reved Up Kids and doctor Sherry Schwartz,
and of course Alexisterestchuk, Crime online dot Com is to
Tanya Jordan, chief parent officer with Bark Parental Controls and
author of Parenting and a tech world. You can find
(12:38):
her at bark dot us. To Tanya, thank you for
joining us. Could you just give me a rudimentary explanation
of what is Roadblocks? And it's not just where you
go on and you play a video game like MS
Pacman or something. You have conversation, you engage with the
people you're playing with or against.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
Yeah, Roadblocks is the most popular gaming platform with children
ages five to twelve. And to give you a grasp
of the extent of it, Roadblocks has over fifty four
million daily users, with nearly half of them under thirteen
years old.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
To Tanya jord And you got me drinking from the
fire hydrant too much, too fast. Just start the whole
thing over, because you say this is what I could
get that quickly. You say it's the most popular popular
gaming platform. A. What's the gaming platform for children between
ages five and twelve? But they're fifty four million people
on it? That sounds like some pain Some adults are
(13:36):
thrown in.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
One hundred percent. Yeah, nearly half of them are under thirteen,
which means nearly half of them are over thirteen, perhaps
over eighteen, perhaps over thirty.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Why are thirty year old and you know it's man, sorry,
man on the panel, but it's you. Why are grown
men playing roadblocks? Don't they need to work?
Speaker 7 (13:56):
You know, I can't speak to their income.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Why don't I just go over to Lego Land and
get on the rides? I mean, I don't get it.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
You know what's very concerning, Nancy is that I posted
a video about this on Instagram and TikTok and it
went viral. The amount of parents I have messaging me saying,
wait a minute, roadblocks has parental controls. I didn't even
know they had those.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
T Tanya, how do we see that? How do we
see the video you're talking about?
Speaker 7 (14:21):
You posted it, yeah, Instagram dot com slash t Tanya Jordan.
It's like, literally every minute, I'm getting a message from
a parent asking me how do I implement parental controls
and roadblocks? They just they don't even know it's there.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You know, I'm getting Jackie waving wildly, Oh my goodness, Okay,
now I see why you're so agitated and turned back over.
Roughly eighteen million twains in the US, but there's fifty
four million people on roadblocks, which means a lot over
(14:56):
fifty percent of these are adults. Grown men and their underwear,
hunched over their computer screen playing games with children like
this eleven year old little girl. That doesn't stop you
in your tracks. I just want to, you know, set
my head on fire one scream me out of the studio.
Why are all these grown men obsessed with playing games
(15:18):
with children? Is nobody asking that question?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Can I speak to that really quick?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Nancy? Is this Ali? I mean if I caught my
husband at eleven o'clock at night paying roadblocks, I would
set up a seance and call his mother.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Right now, I am the mother of an almost twenty
four year old male who started gaming when he was
probably ten years old. And wow, it was a different
world back then, to Tanya, right, But anyway, he's still games.
He's still games. He's not in there the game with
children or to lure or meet children. But it's just
(15:54):
a pastime. It's a stretch reliever. It's fun for them.
So there are a lot of people who are playing
roadblocks who have no interest in connecting with children on roadblocks.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Alie Neil, how old is your son? Ali?
Speaker 5 (16:06):
My son is twenty three and where does he live? Denver, Colorado?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
So how do you know how much he's playing Roadblocks.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Oh, he's not playing roadblocks. I'm just saying video games.
I'm saying a lot of adults play video games as
a pastime and a stress reliever, not because they want
to meet little kids.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Okay, so he does not play Roadblocks.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Not that I know of. No. I think he's more
into war games and stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Okay, what does he do for a living? Just curious?
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Oh my gosh, I'm not going to share all this
personal information about my son, but I'll tell you he's
a consultant.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I mean, I was just curious about I mean, I
read or el's to a book on tape or cook
and constantly throwing the internet for crime stories or reading
victims that want help, and that's a pastime. I hear
what you're saying. So now I'm supposed to figret out
(17:05):
how many of these twenty five million adults are not
interested in meeting children. But we're specifically talking about Roadblocks
because I believe it was to Taria Jordan that gave
me that statistic that fifty four million people are playing Roadblocks?
Is that the statistic, Titanya, that's.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Correct, fifty four million daily users of the platform.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Unless you create games. It lets you play other people's games.
Does it let you have an alternate identity to Tanya?
Speaker 7 (17:35):
Yeah, you don't have to use your real name as
your user name, which is part of the problem.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
It looks a lot like Minecraft, does it not. That's
what my son was into for a long time before
he got into the other one. I can't remember the
other one. Who's Nate that, yes, but happily he's grown
out of those. But back to roadblocks. Doesn't it look
a lot like Minecraft?
Speaker 7 (17:57):
It does? It looks a lot like Minecraft. It's a
collection of worlds and games, and it's really an entirely
different virtual world where anybody can be anybody and talk
to anybody unless you have the chat function turned off.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And you can absolutely lie about who you are and
your age. William Slater joining me, cybersecurity expert, Chief Information
Security Officer at Slater Technologies. You can find them at
billslater dot com. Bill, thank you for being with us.
Jump in again, people, This is not high t at
(18:34):
windsor Castle. You're not curtseying before Queen Camilla. Jump in people. Okay,
Bill'll hit it.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Let me share some commonalities with you. The last time
I was going to call with you. In October four,
we discussed mis Alyssa Mcommon and her twelve year old
lover who's gotten you're pregnant. Let me remind, politely remind
you that she.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Got herself pregnant. She's a grown woman with children and
a teacher, correct.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
Right, correct? And who knows what's going on with their marriage.
That's none of my business and I never speculate, but
I'll tell you what. That relationship with that twelve year
old started with a common dialogue about computer gaming. So
if you connect the dots, you know this is a
(19:29):
story we're talking about today about computer gaming and roadblock
and that relationship with the twelve year old soon to
be father and the teacher down in the Covington, Tennessee
area that started over video games. So I don't think
(19:49):
it's a coincidence here, very.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Real danger, very real danger for our kids.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Also with us Fran Longwell, former Deputy States Attorney Calvert County, Maryland,
former Assistant State's Attorney and Prince George specializing and child
abuse and sex offenses. Fran Longwell, he's right. All three
of our guests are right. It's a commonality. It's something
(20:16):
to talk about and these pers can sneak in and
they know they're talking about they're talking to a child,
and they get the child's information, like, oh, where do
you go to school? Didn't I see a picture of
you online with the Mighty Tiger's shirt on from ABC
(20:36):
Elementary School. It was that you, Oh you're so pretty?
Blah blah blah blah. Do you like soccer? Do you
like Taylor Swift? He was swifty? And there you go,
that's what happens.
Speaker 9 (20:47):
Fran Longwell, absolutely I had a couple of cases like
that where the kids were actually.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
It wasn't even online.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
He was like tracking them from school and then would
be them on the street and talk to them on
the street and try to befriend these kids. And it's
really frightening. Like you said, it's not like you could
just let your kids go out and walk to school anymore.
You just don't know who's out there.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
In fact, it's much more sinister, it's much more nefarious
because absolutely, you think that you're watching them, you think
you know what's going on, but they're literally and a
whole different universe. It's not a universe, it's more of
a metaverse that you're not a part of and they
can be physically in front of you, but yet they
could be talking to a product or Barry Golden with me,
(21:34):
former Senior Inspector US Marshall, Service, owner of Golden Consulting,
Golden dash CI dot com. Barry Golden, what say you?
Speaker 10 (21:44):
You know? And I'm listening to the conversations by all
the other guests, and what I realized with this, I've
never even heard of Roadblocks ever before in my life
until I looked at this story. And what I take
from it is, you know, this device is just a
target rich environment for someone like this twenty seven year
(22:06):
old man who has alleged to have kidnapped an eleven
year old girl. So what I wonder is what is
he what kind of you know, screen name or whatever
is he using on this device? Is he posing as
a twelve year old boy? An eighteen year old boy?
I can't wrap my head around him saying I'm twenty
(22:26):
seven years old.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, Roadblocks is out there, Berry Golden, just like Fortnite,
just like Minecraft, And they're not just games. It's a
cross between a chat room and a game because you're
playing a game, but you're playing it with other people
all over the world, and they present themselves as to
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who they want you to think that they are. So
in the middle of the night between the Saturday and
a Sunday, when mom is on the swing shift, and
that per knows it, he knows a little girl is
home without a parent, that's when he strikes. Take a
listen to.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
This, police say. The man the girl had gone to
me was named Darius. When the girl went missing, database
technology was used by Wayne, New Jersey police officers to
uncover Darius's full name and phone number. It's twenty seven
year old Darius Mattolewich and he lives one hundred and
thirty five miles away from Wayne, New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
We that just so, ken, this guy is willing to
drive one hundred and thirty five plus miles to get
to this little girl. Wow, what would he want to do?
Go to Baskin Robins to get an ice cream? One
hundred and thirty five plus miles A licensed to reschuck
(23:48):
with us crime online dot Com investigative report. Is that correct?
He lives over one hundred and thirty five miles away.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
He does exactly so. He took her across the state line,
which is not a good thing at all. This is
actually going to be a felony, and he's facing peony
kidnapping charges and this could be years in jail, decades
in jail for her.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Well do you have a problem with that, Alexis? How
about how about a grown woman or a man meets
up with your little angel, your precious boy, and takes
him across state lines. Why do you care how long
he's going to be in jail?
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Well, I think that he should be facing even longer
time you take a child away from the home. And
the thing is there one thing that the police have
said this little girl had complained, Well, let me take
that back. This man is saying that she told him
she begged him to come and get her because she
was in an abusive home.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Alexi terreshat crime online dot Com, You're absolutely right. He
is now claiming that the little girl wanted to be
quote rescued. Really well, why didn't he call police or
social workers? He's nearly thirty years old. Why did he
drive over two hours, well over two hours to go
and get her and take her across state lines. He
didn't take her to a therapist, He didn't take her
(25:01):
to a doctor, he didn't take her to anyone that
could help her, and he happens to be the same
person that has been luring her online. You know what
this reminds me of. It reminds me of my longtime
friend and colleague, Mark Class. His daughter Polly was kidnapped
out of the home in the middle of a spend
(25:21):
the night party and she was sex assaulted, horribly and murdered.
And in court the killer dared to say, oh, she
was being abused at home. She was not. Mark Class
almost got to him in the courtroom. He dove over
pews and over the gate, the wooden gate, keeping the
(25:45):
audience from the lawyers and parties, and went straight for
his throat. Sadly, he didn't make it that said you
think I believe this poc technical legal term when he
says so, I was just rescuing her. No. No, William
Slater joining a cybersecurity expert and chief information security officer
(26:09):
Slater Technologies, Inc. William question. The police very quickly uncovered
Darius Matlewatches full name. They know exactly where he lives.
They get it all through what his server ID or
his vote. How did they do that?
Speaker 8 (26:31):
My hunches they may have started and everybody can do this.
And this is not an advertisement. It's just one of
my favorite tools. It's called truthfinder dot com. And I'll
tell you why I use this tool. I use it
tool for a couple of reasons. One, this is a
great research tool to find out about people. The second
(26:52):
reason is, for all the years I've been in computing,
I've never gone out on the dark web. And I
don't advise pe to go in the dark web. So
this tells you. This truthfinder dot com tells you a
lot about people, including the vehicle ID of the vehicle
they drive. It tells you all their past phone numbers,
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their addresses, their associates, et cetera. So I think their
investigation may have started there, but.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
They had to have a way to get his name.
So they go to the girl's computer. Well, she's been
playing roadblocks, and what if anything do they find on
the computer. Let's go chronologically from A to Z. The
first thing they do is look at her computer or
her cell phone, which I'm sure she took with her.
But what would they look for on her computer?
Speaker 8 (27:44):
William Slater, Yeah, the first thing that they would look
at is things like the browser cash and in any
residual data, data files that can be found that are
associated with that application, and then it all falls down
from there. It's very easy.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Can you please speak English to me? They go on
her computer, they find out who she's playing roadblocks with.
Then they can find his PI Internet provider, his IP
excuse me internet provider, and from there they may be
able to get his telephone if he's telephone number, if
he's playing on a cell phone, which he probably is.
(28:26):
I mean, what do you think, Let me throw this
to Tanya Jordan. I doubt he's sitting at a mainframe.
He's probably on a tablet or his phone, because you
see tweens playing on their phones more than on a mainframe, right.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
That's correct. Yeah, the mobile aspect and usage of roadblocks
amongst children is very high. I will say that Roadblocks
has been forthcoming about working with law enforcement to help.
So the second that law enforcement pinned Roadblocks about this incident,
I know that they were probably doing all they could
to dig in, find this user name and surface any
(29:09):
information they had about him.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So how do you locate the person based on the
little girl's computer? What do you do? Would it be
e Barry Golden or to Tawnia, anybody on the panel.
If you look on her, as he said, her browser cash,
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you would see with whom she's been playing, and then
you backtrack from there. Is that how they get his
phone number and from his phone number they get his location?
Is that how it works? Anybody?
Speaker 10 (29:43):
So you don't know what's on the account. You might
have an account on Roadblocks where you have to put
some kind of email or contact number or something like that.
I don't know that the ins and outs of how
that database is all set up, So you may have
something like that on there.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Well, think about it. If you want to get at
a new Gmail account, you put in your information and
you give them information like your phone or some other
email account, and so Gmail has your info because you
gave it to them in order to create a Gmail account.
Very Golden helped me out.
Speaker 10 (30:17):
Yes, absolutely, And so you know all these accounts. When
you sign up for an account, do you have emails?
You have phone numbers and stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
With credit cards?
Speaker 10 (30:24):
All I need is a phone number. You give me
a phone number, I'm gonna know exactly who you are
in about thirty seconds. Absolutely, So that's an easy way.
That's an easy way to backtrack the law enforcement. They
jumped on that. And one you don't know is that
if this guy he steered away from roadblocks, maybe he
provided a cell phone number. Maybe it's a you know,
if he's really trying to cover his tracks, he's going
(30:45):
to use a Google Chat or text me now or
text now. There's all these apps out there that are
anonymous voice voiceover IP numbers that you're virtually anonymous, and
people think, oh, yeah, I'm anonymous with this. No you're not. Okay,
I can still backtrack you through. That's going that's going
to take a little bit, you know, some subpoenas, but
we can still backtrack you. Law enforce that can't do that.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
And I got to tell you, Wayne County jumped on it,
and they figure out his location. Listen.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
When he was contacted by police, Matlwich denied knowing the
girl's whereabouts. Finally, after answering more questions, Mattelwich admitted to
picking up the girl and driving her back across stay
lines to his home in Bear, Delaware. The girl's parents
were not aware and did not consent to the trip.
He gave police his address at nine twenty five am.
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First responders showed up.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Time stories with Nancy Grace to fran Longwell, former Deputy
State's Attorney Calvert County way in Now what they find
his location than what they do.
Speaker 9 (32:00):
I'm sure they tried to at that time. They're going
to interview him and try to find out what's going
on and find out if the girl's there, get the
girl back. I'm sure when they called him and said
he was in Delaware, they had people there right away
in order to get the child, to get her away
from him.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
The number one concern is getting the girl out of
his place. Alexis treshot what happened.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Then they took her back from him. They went and
rescued her and took her, I believe, to a medical
facility to make sure. Again she's eleven years old. He's
in his twenties. He's so much older than she is.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
He's almost thirty.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
And you would never expect that this was This isn't
an eleven year old and a fifteen year old. This
is a grown adult.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Alexis, have you look as much very disheveled. He is
the stereotypical guy hunch Stover's computer in the basement late
at night, playing roadblocks in his underwear. I can just
can yes him. And I want to point out another
thing that when authorities first came to his home, he
answered extremely evasively he he wouldn't say if the girl
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was there, and he initially answered, quote in the negative,
that she was not there. So let me ask you
this fran Longwell, if he was trying to help the girl,
why take her off across state lines, why hide her
in his place and lie when the cops.
Speaker 9 (33:24):
Ask exactly because he wasn't trying to help her. He
was trying to kidnap her, just as he did, and
he had other ideas. I'm sure of what he was
going to what the relationship is you want to call it,
that it was going to be from then on. He
wasn't about to let them know she was with him,
because then he knows he's in trouble. He knows he's
in trouble. Now he's taken her out of state. He
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knows he's in trouble, so he's trying to hide it.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Guys, take a listen to our friends at crimeonline dot com.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
The Pisee County Prosecutor's Office charge twenty seven year old
Darius Mettlewitch with first degree kidnapping and third degree in
endangering the welfare of a child, which five foot eight,
two hundred and nine pounds and twenty seven years old.
He has since been extradited to New Jersey and faces
up to thirty years in prison if convicted on the
kidnapping charge. A judge ordered Matlwich to remain detained following
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his initial court appearance. The judge cited to defend this
initial abstructive behavior in question about the girl's disappearance. The
judge also said Malllewich's lack of ties to the community
made him a flight risk given the seriousness of the charges.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
And more or let's know what the prosecutor said.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
Pas say it.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
County Assistant prosecutor Jessica Petrella argued that the relationship between
the eleven year old girl and Darius Madlewich, a man
more than twice her age, was inappropriate. New Jersey dot
Com reported that the assistant prosecutor said, quote, if Matlwich
was concerned for the girl's safety, he had other options
besides taking her back to his home. The man reportedly
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told police that he quote thought he could handle this himself. Unquote.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Now you've got to hear what the defense attorney is saying,
and I got to tell you this is why, this
is why we have the Fifth Amendment to remain sire,
right to remain silent, because this lawyer, I think is
just digging the whole worse to bury his client. Let's
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star cut six.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
North Jersey dot Com reports that Jillian Elko, attorney for
Darius Madlwich, argued that there were quote no allegations here
of any nefarious intent by my client unquote in the
alleged kidnapping. The attorney for Matlwich also stated that the
little girl begged Matlwich to pick her up from what
Elko called a quote unhealthy and unstable living situation unquote.
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Elko also said Mattelwich repeatedly discouraged the girl from running away,
and after picking her up, asked her several times if
she wanted to go back.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
No, to Sherry Schwartz, I think I need a shrink.
So you got a guy nearly thirty years old asking
a little eleven year old girl you're sure you don't
want to go back. He's the adult, not her.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
That is so true, And my brain is screaming this
whole time. I'm older than twenty seven a professional, so
maybe I know a little bit more, But I feel
like if somebody is in trouble a runaway, if that's
what you're claiming right, that she's a runaway and she
needs to get out of her situation, what training do
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you have to help her? Why is it that you
don't know you're supposed to call authorities, which would have
been much more efficient and fast, right, just just plain
faster to get this child help. If that's what you
really believe, then driving what three hours to get to
her in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
In the middle of the night, and in absconding with
her across state lines and all of his b asked
about an unhealthy living situation? Where was mommy? Mommy? Was
she out at the club lightning around Alexis Rashak? Was
mommy out clubbing that night? Yes? No? No? Was mommy
hanging out of the bar, yeah, Treshchek. Was she trying
(36:58):
to score some crack on?
Speaker 10 (37:00):
No?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Was she cooking up meth in the kitchen?
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Where was she? Alexis Terreschuk at work overnight shift, working
the overnight shift so she could be with the kids
during the day. It reminds me so much alexis of
my dad that you and I have discussed many times,
working the night shift, and as he called it, the
third trick to support us, my mom working the day
(37:24):
and him working the night. And this guy wants to
maddle witch, wants to jump up and say it's an
unhealthy living situation because mommy's out working the night shift
to support these two children. If I could just get
my hands around him, give him a little finger necklace.
But the mom was up onto what was happening. She
(37:45):
didn't trust the daughter being on And remember the little
girl is just eleven. Take a listen to our cut.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Too, The mom tells police this is not the first
time the girl's gone missing. A missing prisons report was
filed in June, but the eleven year old return ninety
minutes later, telling her mother that she had met up
with a man she had been talking to on the
online game platform ROBLOCKX. Roblocks is a virtual universe that
allows users to create and share experiences online, encouraging players
(38:12):
to quote be anything you can imagine unquote. The girl
was grounded after that incident, and access to the online
platforms was taken away, but North Jersey dot Com reports
the mother now says she thinks the girl may have
used other family members' phones to continue to communicate with
the man.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
So Titania and Jordan joining me, chief parent Officer at
bart Permental Controls. This is not an AD, I have,
Bark and it's so sensitive that I've told this story before, Titania,
so bear with me. John David was playing soccer at
the time and he dove Who's goalie? He dove through
the net somehow and he stopped the other side from scoring,
(38:53):
and he got bruises up and down his right arm
doing it. And he was so proud of what he did.
He took pictures of it and sent it to one
of his little friends. Hey, look what happened to me.
But I stopped the score. BARK picked up. I got
an alert self harm, self harm on John David. I'm like,
(39:15):
what it was? They so sensitive? It picked up that
he had a bruise and a picture. That's what BARK
is and again, not an AD. But you think your
children are saved. The mom took the phone away. She
was only gone ninety minutes. And that's how carefully this
mom is watching her after she's gone for a few
(39:38):
minutes less than thirty minutes, and the mom doesn't realize
where she is. She calls police. A little girl came
home within ninety minutes and she had been out. She
had met this guy somehow and only gone ninety minutes.
The mom takes the phone away, takes electronics away from her,
but somehow she manages to sneak back on, probably when
(40:00):
my mom was at work. So ta, Tanya Jordan, what
do we do?
Speaker 9 (40:03):
First?
Speaker 7 (40:03):
We got to get our heads out of sand, which
we're doing by listening to this program right now. Next,
we need to have candid conversations with our children about
tricky people and how they might seem really nice online
but they do not have our best interest in mind.
Then we need to monitor. We need to use bark,
We need to send screen time limits and filters and controls,
(40:23):
and make sure the tech that our children have have
location tracking capabilities. It's a whole new world when you
let your children have tech. You've got to use tech
to help parent them.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
You know what I do After I met you, t Tanya,
I always ask, hey, who are you playing with? Who's that?
And my son tells me and I check, and that
is always somebody. They have to play with somebody they
actually know in real life.
Speaker 7 (40:52):
Art.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Same thing with my daughter, who are you texting? She's
on into the games, but she texts a good bit.
She's always on Pinterest in other places. I always ask
once in a while, I've checked behind them, and they've
always told me the truth. But this little girl probably
was afraid she was going to get in trouble, and
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she was using probably her brother's device, his cell phone.
We wait as justice unfolds, and as of right now,
we don't know exactly what happened to this little girl,
but we will find out. Goodbye, friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
A little girl just eleven years old, just turned eleven,
kidnapped by a grown man she meets online playing roadblocks.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
My son plays roadblocks all over the world. Tweens and
teens play roadblocks. How in the hay did he get
his mitts on an eleven year old girl? A grown man?
Number one? What is he doing playing roadblocks? Shouldn't he
(00:49):
have a job? But number two? Is he chatting this
little girl up online and luring her? Well, it worked
because he kidnapped her. I mean, see, Grace, this is
Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here on
Crime Stories and on series XM one eleven. First of all,
(01:11):
how did it go down? Listen?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
It was an odd and early start to the school day.
An eleven year old girl's brother thinks his sister is
leaving for school early. It's around five thirty in the morning.
But then the boy realized it was Sunday. He calls
his mother, who is working overnights. Mom comes home, calls
the Wayne Police Department.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Interesting, very interesting, So this is a Sunday. He thinks
it's a school day and at five thirty am, the
little sister is already gone and this boy. The brother
of course calls mommy little did they know that Sunday
(01:51):
morning at five thirty am what was about to unfold?
Joining me in All Star panel to make sense of
what we know right now. But Alexis Estchuk first to
you Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Alexis tell me
about where the little girl lives. I know it's in
New Jersey, that the little girl was kidnapped all the
(02:18):
way to bear Delaware. And where was mommy?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
She works overnights, she does she works a night shift,
and she was it was good morning, early in the morning,
five thirty morning, so she was not home yet from
her job. And this little girl, she lives in Wayne,
New Jersey. It's about thirty minutes north of New York City,
and it is it's actually Wayne is a nice area
(02:47):
of New Jersey. So they were living in a hotel.
This is temporary housing for the family. They were living
kind of in a long term hotel area. The little
girl was home with her brother while mommy was at work.
So he noticed she got up, she went to she
gets up beside thirty in the morning. She gets up
to walk outside, and he thinks, wow, she's just going
to school, and all of a sudden he realized this,
(03:09):
wait a minute, I'm not up that I'm not going
to school. It's Sunday. Why is she going to school?
So he called his mom immediately to report this.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I'm just trying to take in what you're saying. They
were staying kind of like an apartment suite with a
kitchen and a little den and several bedrooms in between
homes in Wayne, New Jersey. Now is it Wayne, New Jersey?
Or is it Wayne Township?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
They call them townships in New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Okay, Wayne Township is a suburb. The population is only
around fifty thousand people and has been voted quote one
of the best places to live in New Jersey, where
residents feel very safe and are able to afford to
(03:58):
own their own home. Interesting that it's still a very
residential area where you don't expect a little eleven year
old girl to get kidnapped.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Ancy, Can I tell you what's more about the town
because of this county, yes, please, is also where a
lot of the Real Housewives of New Jersey live.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Count On Alexis Terreschuk in the middle of a crime
store to tell me about the Real Housewives Okay. I'm
not sure which housewife is on which program, but I
do know they almost all have these huge, humongous houses,
like mega mansions. And every time I saw one on
a plane on Monday, the lady beside me was watching
(04:47):
the Housewives. I was watching the Office, she was watching
the Housewives. And even when they're just walking around their house,
they have on full hair, I mean big hair, the makeup,
the jewels, in really expensive clothes, and they visit each
other a lot in the middle of the day. So
I'm trying to what are you trying to tell me?
(05:08):
This is a really upscale neighborhood. If the Housewives in
New Jersey live there, it is, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
They do. They live in these ten thousand corewood houses.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
They're humongous.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
But I was just giving you some contact in the area.
And this family that is living in a small long
term residential hotel hotel.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Okay, So I'm trying to figure out now, even though
it's suburban, the tree lined streets, the whole thing, the Housewives,
the mansions, is still about twenty miles from New York,
right from New York City. Correct, Okay, but yet they
say they feel very safe. So another issue which I
(05:47):
find really interesting, and I'm going to go to a
special guest joining us. Ali McNeil. Ali is co founder
and executive director with revd Up Kids. And I met
Ali when I was trying to teach a course on
how to protect yourself your child once a child is
(06:08):
already snatched, and how to avoid being snatched. That's how
I know Ali, because Revved Up Kids is all about
saving yourself from kidnap. Allie. What people don't realize is
that predators are looking in residential areas. I told you, Alie,
I think I told you. My daughter asked me one
day she and mom, am I ever going to get
(06:28):
to take a walk alone? Well the first time she
said that, I said no, But the second or third
time she said, I'm like, sure, go for a walk. Well,
my husband and I had already laid out a plan
or I did, and he begrudgingly went along, thinking it
was unnecessary. I followed her surreptitiously. Halfway through the walk,
(06:49):
he came the other way, and once he laid eyes
on her, started backing up out of her view, of course,
until she was in eyesight of home. After you cover
so many cases of children getting snatched in residential areas.
What else can you do? I don't buy the free
range children method where they just go wherever they want,
(07:10):
like chickens out in the backyard in oh but residential neighborhoods.
Just because you're in a tree lined area with big
roads and mega mansions in the background with a housewives
and they are drinking it up, that doesn't mean your child.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Is safe, absolutely, Nancy. And here's the thing that we
have to be aware of. Kids do occasionally get snatched
off the street, but way more often these are people
now who are building relationships with these children in their
online worlds and creating a friendship or what feels like
a loving dating sort of dynamic with this child, and
(07:52):
then they convince the child to run away with them.
So no longer is you know, the predator just iving
up and snatching the kid off the sidewalk. They are
grooming and methodically building this relationship with these children in
their online world and a lot of it is happening
in the gaming environment, and a lot of it is
(08:13):
happening in the social media environment. So parents just need
to know it doesn't matter if you're sitting in a
million dollar home, you your child is very much vulnerable
to being approached by a predator in their online world.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Does anybody remember? It pains me to say it in
this way. Does anybody remember a thirteen year old old
girl just turned thirteen? She's like twelve in a day,
Nicole Lovell. No, I only knew Nicole and death, but
(08:48):
I got to speak to her mother many times. Nicole
Lovell met a Virginia Tech student, a star athlete. I
think he'd been valedictorian in high school as a star athlete.
His name was David Eisenhower, not Eisenhower, eisen Hour. And
(09:11):
he lured the little girl online. Because when you just
said alie' neil is joining me from Rep Duck Kids,
When you just said that the little girl thinks she's
in a romantic dating relationship, I think, how can an
eleven year old think they're in a romantic dating relationship?
How did they even know about a romantic dating relationship?
But Nicole Lovell, who had just turned thirteen, was lured
(09:35):
online by a Virginia Tech engineering student and they were
having full on sex, and he killed her so that
the truth would not come out that he had been
which is of course statutory rape. So the answer to that,
(09:57):
his answer was to kill her. Yes, in our world,
it's not a romantic dating relationship. But for a little girl.
Let me go to doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologists literally
author of the book Criminal Behavior and We're a law
in psychology intersect Doctor Sherry. I hear my son and
(10:18):
daughter talk about people dating in their class. I'm like,
you can't even drive, What do you mean you're dating?
Where do you go? They go, Oh, we just text.
That's what that is. So the children actually think they're
in a dating relationship, a romantic relationship because they're texting
or talking online or talking in roadblocks.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
That's correct. And imagine the amount of hours of contact
when you have your own phone and the person you're
texting with has their own phone, and you have this
immediate and long hours of contact back and forth and
back and forth, and when communicating and writing, you might
share things that you would be maybe embarrassed to say
(10:59):
if you're face to fated or in the limited amount
of time that you have that contact. So some pretty
deep social bonds, especially for kids who tend to be
trusting and not have the life experience to be able
to distinguish between truth and lies and things like that.
On a deeper level, this is very powerful, very powerful emotionally.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
You know, I want to hear that sound again. Plays
Jackie from our friend Dave Mac.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
It was an odd and early start to the school day.
An eleven year old girl's brother thinks his sister is
leaving for school early. It's around five point thirty in
the morning. But then the boy realized it was Sunday.
He calls his mother, who is working overnights. Mom comes home,
calls the Wayne Police Department.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
So Mommy comes home from work, and you know that's
trouble when you have to leave work to come home.
But Mommy comes straight home and calls nine to one
one the Wayne County Police Department. Interesting that this happens
in the early morning hours of a Sunday or the
Saturday night. Not share on the timing time stories with
(12:16):
Nancy Grace joining me right now. In addition to Ali Neil,
executive director of Reved Up Kids and doctor Sherry Schwartz,
and of course Alexisterestchuk, Crime online dot Com is to
Tanya Jordan, chief parent officer with Bark Parental Controls and
author of Parenting and a tech world. You can find
(12:38):
her at bark dot us. To Tanya, thank you for
joining us. Could you just give me a rudimentary explanation
of what is Roadblocks? And it's not just where you
go on and you play a video game like MS
Pacman or something. You have conversation, you engage with the
people you're playing with or against.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
Yeah, Roadblocks is the most popular gaming platform with children
ages five to twelve. And to give you a grasp
of the extent of it, Roadblocks has over fifty four
million daily users, with nearly half of them under thirteen
years old.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
To Tanya jord And you got me drinking from the
fire hydrant too much, too fast. Just start the whole
thing over, because you say this is what I could
get that quickly. You say it's the most popular popular
gaming platform. A. What's the gaming platform for children between
ages five and twelve? But they're fifty four million people
on it? That sounds like some pain Some adults are
(13:36):
thrown in.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
One hundred percent. Yeah, nearly half of them are under thirteen,
which means nearly half of them are over thirteen, perhaps
over eighteen, perhaps over thirty.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Why are thirty year old and you know it's man, sorry,
man on the panel, but it's you. Why are grown
men playing roadblocks? Don't they need to work?
Speaker 7 (13:56):
You know, I can't speak to their income.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Why don't I just go over to Lego Land and
get on the rides? I mean, I don't get it.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
You know what's very concerning, Nancy is that I posted
a video about this on Instagram and TikTok and it
went viral. The amount of parents I have messaging me saying,
wait a minute, roadblocks has parental controls. I didn't even
know they had those.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
T Tanya, how do we see that? How do we
see the video you're talking about?
Speaker 7 (14:21):
You posted it, yeah, Instagram dot com slash t Tanya Jordan.
It's like, literally every minute, I'm getting a message from
a parent asking me how do I implement parental controls
and roadblocks? They just they don't even know it's there.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You know, I'm getting Jackie waving wildly, Oh my goodness, Okay,
now I see why you're so agitated and turned back over.
Roughly eighteen million twains in the US, but there's fifty
four million people on roadblocks, which means a lot over
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fifty percent of these are adults. Grown men and their underwear,
hunched over their computer screen playing games with children like
this eleven year old little girl. That doesn't stop you
in your tracks. I just want to, you know, set
my head on fire one scream me out of the studio.
Why are all these grown men obsessed with playing games
(15:18):
with children? Is nobody asking that question?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Can I speak to that really quick?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Nancy? Is this Ali? I mean if I caught my
husband at eleven o'clock at night paying roadblocks, I would
set up a seance and call his mother.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Right now, I am the mother of an almost twenty
four year old male who started gaming when he was
probably ten years old. And wow, it was a different
world back then, to Tanya, right, But anyway, he's still games.
He's still games. He's not in there the game with
children or to lure or meet children. But it's just
(15:54):
a pastime. It's a stretch reliever. It's fun for them.
So there are a lot of people who are playing
roadblocks who have no interest in connecting with children on roadblocks.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Alie Neil, how old is your son? Ali?
Speaker 5 (16:06):
My son is twenty three and where does he live? Denver, Colorado?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
So how do you know how much he's playing Roadblocks.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Oh, he's not playing roadblocks. I'm just saying video games.
I'm saying a lot of adults play video games as
a pastime and a stress reliever, not because they want
to meet little kids.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Okay, so he does not play Roadblocks.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
Not that I know of. No. I think he's more
into war games and stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Okay, what does he do for a living? Just curious?
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Oh my gosh, I'm not going to share all this
personal information about my son, but I'll tell you he's
a consultant.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I mean, I was just curious about I mean, I
read or el's to a book on tape or cook
and constantly throwing the internet for crime stories or reading
victims that want help, and that's a pastime. I hear
what you're saying. So now I'm supposed to figret out
(17:05):
how many of these twenty five million adults are not
interested in meeting children. But we're specifically talking about Roadblocks
because I believe it was to Taria Jordan that gave
me that statistic that fifty four million people are playing Roadblocks?
Is that the statistic, Titanya, that's.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Correct, fifty four million daily users of the platform.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Unless you create games. It lets you play other people's games.
Does it let you have an alternate identity to Tanya?
Speaker 7 (17:35):
Yeah, you don't have to use your real name as
your user name, which is part of the problem.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
It looks a lot like Minecraft, does it not. That's
what my son was into for a long time before
he got into the other one. I can't remember the
other one. Who's Nate that, yes, but happily he's grown
out of those. But back to roadblocks. Doesn't it look
a lot like Minecraft?
Speaker 7 (17:57):
It does? It looks a lot like Minecraft. It's a
collection of worlds and games, and it's really an entirely
different virtual world where anybody can be anybody and talk
to anybody unless you have the chat function turned off.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
And you can absolutely lie about who you are and
your age. William Slater joining me, cybersecurity expert, Chief Information
Security Officer at Slater Technologies. You can find them at
billslater dot com. Bill, thank you for being with us.
Jump in again, people, This is not high t at
(18:34):
windsor Castle. You're not curtseying before Queen Camilla. Jump in people. Okay,
Bill'll hit it.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
Let me share some commonalities with you. The last time
I was going to call with you. In October four,
we discussed mis Alyssa Mcommon and her twelve year old
lover who's gotten you're pregnant. Let me remind, politely remind
you that she.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Got herself pregnant. She's a grown woman with children and
a teacher, correct.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
Right, correct? And who knows what's going on with their marriage.
That's none of my business and I never speculate, but
I'll tell you what. That relationship with that twelve year
old started with a common dialogue about computer gaming. So
if you connect the dots, you know this is a
(19:29):
story we're talking about today about computer gaming and roadblock
and that relationship with the twelve year old soon to
be father and the teacher down in the Covington, Tennessee
area that started over video games. So I don't think
(19:49):
it's a coincidence here, very.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Real danger, very real danger for our kids.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Also with us Fran Longwell, former Deputy States Attorney Calvert County, Maryland,
former Assistant State's Attorney and Prince George specializing and child
abuse and sex offenses. Fran Longwell, he's right. All three
of our guests are right. It's a commonality. It's something
(20:16):
to talk about and these pers can sneak in and
they know they're talking about they're talking to a child,
and they get the child's information, like, oh, where do
you go to school? Didn't I see a picture of
you online with the Mighty Tiger's shirt on from ABC
(20:36):
Elementary School. It was that you, Oh you're so pretty?
Blah blah blah blah. Do you like soccer? Do you
like Taylor Swift? He was swifty? And there you go,
that's what happens.
Speaker 9 (20:47):
Fran Longwell, absolutely I had a couple of cases like
that where the kids were actually.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
It wasn't even online.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
He was like tracking them from school and then would
be them on the street and talk to them on
the street and try to befriend these kids. And it's
really frightening. Like you said, it's not like you could
just let your kids go out and walk to school anymore.
You just don't know who's out there.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
In fact, it's much more sinister, it's much more nefarious
because absolutely, you think that you're watching them, you think
you know what's going on, but they're literally and a
whole different universe. It's not a universe, it's more of
a metaverse that you're not a part of and they
can be physically in front of you, but yet they
could be talking to a product or Barry Golden with me,
(21:34):
former Senior Inspector US Marshall, Service, owner of Golden Consulting,
Golden dash CI dot com. Barry Golden, what say you?
Speaker 10 (21:44):
You know? And I'm listening to the conversations by all
the other guests, and what I realized with this, I've
never even heard of Roadblocks ever before in my life
until I looked at this story. And what I take
from it is, you know, this device is just a
target rich environment for someone like this twenty seven year
(22:06):
old man who has alleged to have kidnapped an eleven
year old girl. So what I wonder is what is
he what kind of you know, screen name or whatever
is he using on this device? Is he posing as
a twelve year old boy? An eighteen year old boy?
I can't wrap my head around him saying I'm twenty
(22:26):
seven years old.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, Roadblocks is out there, Berry Golden, just like Fortnite,
just like Minecraft, And they're not just games. It's a
cross between a chat room and a game because you're
playing a game, but you're playing it with other people
all over the world, and they present themselves as to
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who they want you to think that they are. So
in the middle of the night between the Saturday and
a Sunday, when mom is on the swing shift, and
that per knows it, he knows a little girl is
home without a parent, that's when he strikes. Take a
listen to.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
This, police say. The man the girl had gone to
me was named Darius. When the girl went missing, database
technology was used by Wayne, New Jersey police officers to
uncover Darius's full name and phone number. It's twenty seven
year old Darius Mattolewich and he lives one hundred and
thirty five miles away from Wayne, New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
We that just so, ken, this guy is willing to
drive one hundred and thirty five plus miles to get
to this little girl. Wow, what would he want to do?
Go to Baskin Robins to get an ice cream? One
hundred and thirty five plus miles A licensed to reschuck
(23:48):
with us crime online dot Com investigative report. Is that correct?
He lives over one hundred and thirty five miles away.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
He does exactly so. He took her across the state line,
which is not a good thing at all. This is
actually going to be a felony, and he's facing peony
kidnapping charges and this could be years in jail, decades
in jail for her.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Well do you have a problem with that, Alexis? How
about how about a grown woman or a man meets
up with your little angel, your precious boy, and takes
him across state lines. Why do you care how long
he's going to be in jail?
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Well, I think that he should be facing even longer
time you take a child away from the home. And
the thing is there one thing that the police have
said this little girl had complained, Well, let me take
that back. This man is saying that she told him
she begged him to come and get her because she
was in an abusive home.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Alexi terreshat crime online dot Com, You're absolutely right. He
is now claiming that the little girl wanted to be
quote rescued. Really well, why didn't he call police or
social workers? He's nearly thirty years old. Why did he
drive over two hours, well over two hours to go
and get her and take her across state lines. He
didn't take her to a therapist, He didn't take her
(25:01):
to a doctor, he didn't take her to anyone that
could help her, and he happens to be the same
person that has been luring her online. You know what
this reminds me of. It reminds me of my longtime
friend and colleague, Mark Class. His daughter Polly was kidnapped
out of the home in the middle of a spend
(25:21):
the night party and she was sex assaulted, horribly and murdered.
And in court the killer dared to say, oh, she
was being abused at home. She was not. Mark Class
almost got to him in the courtroom. He dove over
pews and over the gate, the wooden gate, keeping the
(25:45):
audience from the lawyers and parties, and went straight for
his throat. Sadly, he didn't make it that said you
think I believe this poc technical legal term when he
says so, I was just rescuing her. No. No, William
Slater joining a cybersecurity expert and chief information security officer
(26:09):
Slater Technologies, Inc. William question. The police very quickly uncovered
Darius Matlewatches full name. They know exactly where he lives.
They get it all through what his server ID or
his vote. How did they do that?
Speaker 8 (26:31):
My hunches they may have started and everybody can do this.
And this is not an advertisement. It's just one of
my favorite tools. It's called truthfinder dot com. And I'll
tell you why I use this tool. I use it
tool for a couple of reasons. One, this is a
great research tool to find out about people. The second
(26:52):
reason is, for all the years I've been in computing,
I've never gone out on the dark web. And I
don't advise pe to go in the dark web. So
this tells you. This truthfinder dot com tells you a
lot about people, including the vehicle ID of the vehicle
they drive. It tells you all their past phone numbers,
(27:13):
their addresses, their associates, et cetera. So I think their
investigation may have started there, but.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
They had to have a way to get his name.
So they go to the girl's computer. Well, she's been
playing roadblocks, and what if anything do they find on
the computer. Let's go chronologically from A to Z. The
first thing they do is look at her computer or
her cell phone, which I'm sure she took with her.
But what would they look for on her computer?
Speaker 8 (27:44):
William Slater, Yeah, the first thing that they would look
at is things like the browser cash and in any
residual data, data files that can be found that are
associated with that application, and then it all falls down
from there. It's very easy.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Can you please speak English to me? They go on
her computer, they find out who she's playing roadblocks with.
Then they can find his PI Internet provider, his IP
excuse me internet provider, and from there they may be
able to get his telephone if he's telephone number, if
he's playing on a cell phone, which he probably is.
(28:26):
I mean, what do you think, Let me throw this
to Tanya Jordan. I doubt he's sitting at a mainframe.
He's probably on a tablet or his phone, because you
see tweens playing on their phones more than on a mainframe, right.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
That's correct. Yeah, the mobile aspect and usage of roadblocks
amongst children is very high. I will say that Roadblocks
has been forthcoming about working with law enforcement to help.
So the second that law enforcement pinned Roadblocks about this incident,
I know that they were probably doing all they could
to dig in, find this user name and surface any
(29:09):
information they had about him.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
So how do you locate the person based on the
little girl's computer? What do you do? Would it be
e Barry Golden or to Tawnia, anybody on the panel.
If you look on her, as he said, her browser cash,
(29:33):
you would see with whom she's been playing, and then
you backtrack from there. Is that how they get his
phone number and from his phone number they get his location?
Is that how it works? Anybody?
Speaker 10 (29:43):
So you don't know what's on the account. You might
have an account on Roadblocks where you have to put
some kind of email or contact number or something like that.
I don't know that the ins and outs of how
that database is all set up, So you may have
something like that on there.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Well, think about it. If you want to get at
a new Gmail account, you put in your information and
you give them information like your phone or some other
email account, and so Gmail has your info because you
gave it to them in order to create a Gmail account.
Very Golden helped me out.
Speaker 10 (30:17):
Yes, absolutely, And so you know all these accounts. When
you sign up for an account, do you have emails?
You have phone numbers and stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
With credit cards?
Speaker 10 (30:24):
All I need is a phone number. You give me
a phone number, I'm gonna know exactly who you are
in about thirty seconds. Absolutely, So that's an easy way.
That's an easy way to backtrack the law enforcement. They
jumped on that. And one you don't know is that
if this guy he steered away from roadblocks, maybe he
provided a cell phone number. Maybe it's a you know,
if he's really trying to cover his tracks, he's going
(30:45):
to use a Google Chat or text me now or
text now. There's all these apps out there that are
anonymous voice voiceover IP numbers that you're virtually anonymous, and
people think, oh, yeah, I'm anonymous with this. No you're not. Okay,
I can still backtrack you through. That's going that's going
to take a little bit, you know, some subpoenas, but
we can still backtrack you. Law enforce that can't do that.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
And I got to tell you, Wayne County jumped on it,
and they figure out his location. Listen.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
When he was contacted by police, Matlwich denied knowing the
girl's whereabouts. Finally, after answering more questions, Mattelwich admitted to
picking up the girl and driving her back across stay
lines to his home in Bear, Delaware. The girl's parents
were not aware and did not consent to the trip.
He gave police his address at nine twenty five am.
(31:33):
First responders showed up.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Time stories with Nancy Grace to fran Longwell, former Deputy
State's Attorney Calvert County way in Now what they find
his location than what they do.
Speaker 9 (32:00):
I'm sure they tried to at that time. They're going
to interview him and try to find out what's going
on and find out if the girl's there, get the
girl back. I'm sure when they called him and said
he was in Delaware, they had people there right away
in order to get the child, to get her away
from him.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
The number one concern is getting the girl out of
his place. Alexis treshot what happened.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Then they took her back from him. They went and
rescued her and took her, I believe, to a medical
facility to make sure. Again she's eleven years old. He's
in his twenties. He's so much older than she is.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
He's almost thirty.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
And you would never expect that this was This isn't
an eleven year old and a fifteen year old. This
is a grown adult.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Alexis, have you look as much very disheveled. He is
the stereotypical guy hunch Stover's computer in the basement late
at night, playing roadblocks in his underwear. I can just
can yes him. And I want to point out another
thing that when authorities first came to his home, he
answered extremely evasively he he wouldn't say if the girl
(33:07):
was there, and he initially answered, quote in the negative,
that she was not there. So let me ask you
this fran Longwell, if he was trying to help the girl,
why take her off across state lines, why hide her
in his place and lie when the cops.
Speaker 9 (33:24):
Ask exactly because he wasn't trying to help her. He
was trying to kidnap her, just as he did, and
he had other ideas. I'm sure of what he was
going to what the relationship is you want to call it,
that it was going to be from then on. He
wasn't about to let them know she was with him,
because then he knows he's in trouble. He knows he's
in trouble. Now he's taken her out of state. He
(33:46):
knows he's in trouble, so he's trying to hide it.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Guys, take a listen to our friends at crimeonline dot com.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
The Pisee County Prosecutor's Office charge twenty seven year old
Darius Mettlewitch with first degree kidnapping and third degree in
endangering the welfare of a child, which five foot eight,
two hundred and nine pounds and twenty seven years old.
He has since been extradited to New Jersey and faces
up to thirty years in prison if convicted on the
kidnapping charge. A judge ordered Matlwich to remain detained following
(34:11):
his initial court appearance. The judge cited to defend this
initial abstructive behavior in question about the girl's disappearance. The
judge also said Malllewich's lack of ties to the community
made him a flight risk given the seriousness of the charges.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
And more or let's know what the prosecutor said.
Speaker 9 (34:26):
Pas say it.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
County Assistant prosecutor Jessica Petrella argued that the relationship between
the eleven year old girl and Darius Madlewich, a man
more than twice her age, was inappropriate. New Jersey dot
Com reported that the assistant prosecutor said, quote, if Matlwich
was concerned for the girl's safety, he had other options
besides taking her back to his home. The man reportedly
(34:48):
told police that he quote thought he could handle this himself. Unquote.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Now you've got to hear what the defense attorney is saying,
and I got to tell you this is why, this
is why we have the Fifth Amendment to remain sire,
right to remain silent, because this lawyer, I think is
just digging the whole worse to bury his client. Let's
(35:14):
star cut six.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
North Jersey dot Com reports that Jillian Elko, attorney for
Darius Madlwich, argued that there were quote no allegations here
of any nefarious intent by my client unquote in the
alleged kidnapping. The attorney for Matlwich also stated that the
little girl begged Matlwich to pick her up from what
Elko called a quote unhealthy and unstable living situation unquote.
(35:37):
Elko also said Mattelwich repeatedly discouraged the girl from running away,
and after picking her up, asked her several times if
she wanted to go back.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
No, to Sherry Schwartz, I think I need a shrink.
So you got a guy nearly thirty years old asking
a little eleven year old girl you're sure you don't
want to go back. He's the adult, not her.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
That is so true, And my brain is screaming this
whole time. I'm older than twenty seven a professional, so
maybe I know a little bit more, But I feel
like if somebody is in trouble a runaway, if that's
what you're claiming right, that she's a runaway and she
needs to get out of her situation, what training do
(36:17):
you have to help her? Why is it that you
don't know you're supposed to call authorities, which would have
been much more efficient and fast, right, just just plain
faster to get this child help. If that's what you
really believe, then driving what three hours to get to
her in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
In the middle of the night, and in absconding with
her across state lines and all of his b asked
about an unhealthy living situation? Where was mommy? Mommy? Was
she out at the club lightning around Alexis Rashak? Was
mommy out clubbing that night? Yes? No? No? Was mommy
hanging out of the bar, yeah, Treshchek. Was she trying
(36:58):
to score some crack on?
Speaker 10 (37:00):
No?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Was she cooking up meth in the kitchen?
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Where was she? Alexis Terreschuk at work overnight shift, working
the overnight shift so she could be with the kids
during the day. It reminds me so much alexis of
my dad that you and I have discussed many times,
working the night shift, and as he called it, the
third trick to support us, my mom working the day
(37:24):
and him working the night. And this guy wants to
maddle witch, wants to jump up and say it's an
unhealthy living situation because mommy's out working the night shift
to support these two children. If I could just get
my hands around him, give him a little finger necklace.
But the mom was up onto what was happening. She
(37:45):
didn't trust the daughter being on And remember the little
girl is just eleven. Take a listen to our cut.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Too, The mom tells police this is not the first
time the girl's gone missing. A missing prisons report was
filed in June, but the eleven year old return ninety
minutes later, telling her mother that she had met up
with a man she had been talking to on the
online game platform ROBLOCKX. Roblocks is a virtual universe that
allows users to create and share experiences online, encouraging players
(38:12):
to quote be anything you can imagine unquote. The girl
was grounded after that incident, and access to the online
platforms was taken away, but North Jersey dot Com reports
the mother now says she thinks the girl may have
used other family members' phones to continue to communicate with
the man.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
So Titania and Jordan joining me, chief parent Officer at
bart Permental Controls. This is not an AD, I have,
Bark and it's so sensitive that I've told this story before, Titania,
so bear with me. John David was playing soccer at
the time and he dove Who's goalie? He dove through
the net somehow and he stopped the other side from scoring,
(38:53):
and he got bruises up and down his right arm
doing it. And he was so proud of what he did.
He took pictures of it and sent it to one
of his little friends. Hey, look what happened to me.
But I stopped the score. BARK picked up. I got
an alert self harm, self harm on John David. I'm like,
(39:15):
what it was? They so sensitive? It picked up that
he had a bruise and a picture. That's what BARK
is and again, not an AD. But you think your
children are saved. The mom took the phone away. She
was only gone ninety minutes. And that's how carefully this
mom is watching her after she's gone for a few
(39:38):
minutes less than thirty minutes, and the mom doesn't realize
where she is. She calls police. A little girl came
home within ninety minutes and she had been out. She
had met this guy somehow and only gone ninety minutes.
The mom takes the phone away, takes electronics away from her,
but somehow she manages to sneak back on, probably when
(40:00):
my mom was at work. So ta, Tanya Jordan, what
do we do?
Speaker 9 (40:03):
First?
Speaker 7 (40:03):
We got to get our heads out of sand, which
we're doing by listening to this program right now. Next,
we need to have candid conversations with our children about
tricky people and how they might seem really nice online
but they do not have our best interest in mind.
Then we need to monitor. We need to use bark,
We need to send screen time limits and filters and controls,
(40:23):
and make sure the tech that our children have have
location tracking capabilities. It's a whole new world when you
let your children have tech. You've got to use tech
to help parent them.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
You know what I do After I met you, t Tanya,
I always ask, hey, who are you playing with? Who's that?
And my son tells me and I check, and that
is always somebody. They have to play with somebody they
actually know in real life.
Speaker 7 (40:52):
Art.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Same thing with my daughter, who are you texting? She's
on into the games, but she texts a good bit.
She's always on Pinterest in other places. I always ask
once in a while, I've checked behind them, and they've
always told me the truth. But this little girl probably
was afraid she was going to get in trouble, and
(41:13):
she was using probably her brother's device, his cell phone.
We wait as justice unfolds, and as of right now,
we don't know exactly what happened to this little girl,
but we will find out. Goodbye, friend,
Host
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