April 25, 2024 • 39 mins
Brazilian Au Pair, Juliana Peres Magalhaes and her charge leave the Banfields' Fairfax County, Virginia home but turn around when Peres Magalhaes realizes she forgot their bagged lunches.
Arriving at the house, the au pair sees a car she doesn't recognize and a man she doesn't know entering the house. Confused, she calls her employer, Brendan Banfield, who tells her to stay in the car, that he will be right there. Banfield is at the house in minutes, and they enter the house together. The au pair takes her 4-year-old charge to the basement. Brendan Banfield goes upstairs to find his wife.
Banfield finds his wife, Christine, nude, and a man he doesn't know, holding a knife to her throat. Banfield tells the man to put the knife down, but he starts stabbing the 37-year-old mother. Brendan Banfield carries a gun as an IRS Special Agent, and he draws his service revolver shooting the man in the head. The intruder is wounded and down on the ground. Banfield calls for Peres Magalhaes telling her to get his personal gun, a Glock, out of the bathroom safe. At Banfield's direction, shoots Joseph Ryan in the heart as he is lying on the ground.
Police say it appeared that Christine Banfield had been posted on an adult fetish website., but investigators say they believe it was all a ruse. Someone else created the profile on the Adult Fetish website, pretending to be Christine Banfield.
In fact, investigators believe Ryan's murder was part of an elaborate plan to kill Christine Banfield so her husband, Brendan, and their Brazilian live-in Au Pair, could be together. Investigators found pictures of Banfield and the au pair together in the Banfield bedroom, and Peres Magalhaes' clothes were found hanging in Banfield's closet, not her own.
Joining Nancy Grace:
- Amanda Rieman - Virginia Attorney, AC RIEMAN LAW; IG: @acriemanlaw
- Barry Golden– Former Senior Inspector for the U.S. Marshals Service, Owner of Golden Consulting and Investigations
- Dr. Heidi Green – Clinical Psychologist, Trauma Specialist, and Author: ‘The Path to Self-Love and World Domination; IG: @drheidigreen
- Dr. Jan Gorniak – Medical Examiner, Clark County Office of the Coroner/Medical Examiner (Las Vegas, NV), Board Certified Forensic Pathologist
- Alexis Tereszcuk – CrimeOnline.com Investigative Reporter, Writer/Fact Checker for Lead Stories; X: @swimmie2009
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Breaking news tonight, did a glamorous au pair just twenty
three scheme an elaborate murder plot where her boss turned
lover's wife is found stabbed dead? And just how did
a complete stranger who happens to be a bondage and
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disciplined fetishist end up shot dead on the floor beside
the wife. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime
Stories and I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
This morning. At seven nine am, we received a cell
phone nine one one call that was an open line
hang up. That call was captured and noted, and thirteen
minutes later, at eight oh two am, we received a
cell phone nine one one call from the very same
cell phone, and two persons communicated with our nine one
(01:06):
one call taker, the husband of this home, who I
am not going to identify beyond identifying him as a husband,
and the pair who resides in this home, who I
AM not going to identify beyond describing her as an
O pair. At that eight h two nine one one
cell phone call, the husband and the O pair communicate
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with the nine one one call taker. The husband tells
the nine one one call taker that he just shot
a man inside of his home, and the husband tells
the nine one one call taker that the man who
he had just shot had stabbed his life.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Okay, I got so many questions just based on what
I just heard.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So how did this loving.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And faithful wife that we know of end up stabbed
dead in the family home? And then a complete stranger
who happens to be into bondage and discipline? What's he
doing in the home and he's dead? Now another thing
(02:11):
I find highly curious. And let me just go straight
out to Barry Golden for a senior inspector for the
US Marshall Service, old owner of Golden Consulting Investigations. Barry,
when you've got a double homicide, typically sheriffs and you
were just hearing the Chief of the Fairfax County Police,
(02:35):
Kevin Davis speaking. Normally they give you more information and
you rarely hear them say the husband who I'm not
going to name, and the au pair who I'm not
going to name.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
That just makes me want to know who are they
more than ever.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yes, Well, we now know that the husband was a
federal law enforcement officer and a person trained. So when
that person finds out that an unknown male is in
his house. Okay, you're a trained law enforcement officer. If
you're like most law enforcement officers, wherever you go, you
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take your firearm with you and you go back to
the house, You're gonna wonder who is this guy? Is
he robbing? Is he doing something to my wife? So
there are a lot of questions that I have. What
happened in those seconds when he arrives back at the
house and then goes upstairs, what did he hear? What
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was going on where there's screams? And then what happens
when he gets to the door. A lot of those
answers right now haven't really been filled in. We kind
of jump from he arrives at the house too, he's
in the bedroom.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Okay, Barry Golden, you're perfect for these questions with me
an all star panel. I'm going to get to everybody
in just one moment. Barry Golden a for senior Inspective
with the US Marshall Service. And let me tell you something.
You want something done, you call the US Marshals. They
will find your guy no matter where they are or woman.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Barry.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
But another question I'm asking is why is LA law
enforcement withholding the name not only the husband, but the
twenty three year old of pair.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Well, at that point in time when that Chief of
police gives that statement, that's probably early on that same day,
an hour hours right after the incident. So they want
to keep some of that information close to their chest.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
It's early in the investigation, so they don't want to
identify everybody at that point in time.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Okay, gotcha, Okay, I will accept that right now.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, I will accept that. I think you're right about that.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
They didn't really understand what was happening or what they
had hold of.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Take a listen to more from Chief Kevin Davis, Fairfax County.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
The first nine to one one call came from me
what we now know to be the O pair celphone.
One call was an open mic, nothing distortable on that
call was a quick hang up. We noted that call.
Thirteen minutes later from the scene nine one one from
the same cell phone, a nine one one call was
made and on the phone was first CEO pair communicating
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with us, and then she apparently handed the phone to
the husband. The husband communicated with us, and that's when
the husband told us that he shot and killed a
man inside of his home. And that's when the husband
told us that the man who he shot and killed
was stabbing his wife.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh Man Alexis Tereshchak joining me crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter.
This is very complex, so I just want to take
it one step at a time. So the husband comes home,
for whatever reason, he goes in the home. As Barry
Golden pointed out, something led him to pull his weapon,
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to draw his weapon.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But there were two nine one one calls.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
The first one nobody said anything and then hung up,
and then there was a second nine one one call.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Is that correct?
Speaker 6 (06:05):
That's exactly right. There was a nimal one call and
it had an open line, which meant that the operator
could hear, but nobody was communicating the saying, you know,
please come help me. There's been a break in. Somebody's
being shot or murdered. So they immediately that I will
automatically send the police officers. The operator will send the
police officer to the home and open nine on one
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call is very suspicious. Thirteen minutes later, they get a
second call and it is from the O pair's phone,
and this is where the husband has said I have
shot somebody because they were stabbing my wife.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Oh, sister Rastchuk is joining us some crime online dot com.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
What can you tell me about the area I've got
Fairfax County. I looked at an aerial shot and some
other information. It looks like it's pretty swank.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
This is a very nice area. It's in northern Virginia.
It's the suburb of Washington, d C. Excellent schools, large home,
a quiet neighborhood, not at all known for crime that
you know is known a little bit north of there
in Washington, d C. Fairfax's news is a very safe,
very family oriented area.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Very wealthy too, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
To Amanda Rieman joining us from this jurisdiction. Amanda, you
can find her at Acrieman dot law R I E
M A n Amanda.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
The reason I'm asking about the area.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I don't care necessarily from where the victim heils. But
when you've got a really upscale, high priced neighborhood like this,
I mean, if you see the homes in that neighborhood,
they're mega mansions. This is where the politicians and a
lot of our rich people live that have to go
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into d C to work. The reason that is important
to me right now, is because it lowers my suspect pool.
If there's anything amiss about the husband's story, then I've
got to think of a suspect pool in an.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Enclave like that, a lot less suspects.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You don't have people selling crack on the street, you
don't have protesters out in front of the house, you
don't have a homeless camp one block away. It really
reduces the number of potential suspects if the husband's story
doesn't pan out. He's also a father, by the way,
hence the O pair. What about the neighborhood.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
So the neighborhood in Fairfax, Virginia is Northern Virginia. NOVA
is the abbreviation for it. Nova kids, NOVA parents. They're
all a little upscale. And the reason why is because
jobs are close to DC. It borders our nation's capital,
and the nation's capital pays a lot more money than
other areas in Virginia, whether that's Southwest Virginia or the
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south and so because of this higher income, you end
up having people who can afford nice things. They can
afford a living nanny, an all pair who is living
with them, who is taking care of their four year
old child. And so this is something that probably shocked
the neighborhood. It probably said chills up people's spine because
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these neighbors that they've known, perhaps there's never even been
an each OA issue or a trash can that's not
been drug back to the garage. So something like this
is not only shocking to the neighborhood, shocking to the area,
but shocking for this specific venue and that career the
people in this you know area, there's a lot of
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government workers, as the husband was employed, there's some clearances,
there's a lot of threshold you've got to get through
to be able to get to that caliber of job
clearance and that caliber of housing and name. It is
very very out of character for that area as well as.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
The Commonwealth.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Doctor Heidi Green, clinical psychologist, trauma specialist, author of The
Path to Self Love and World Domination. Doctor Heidi Green,
lying on the floor beside Mommy is a bondage fetishist.
Now explain to everybody that may not have handled BDSM
(10:40):
murders like a few of us have, what is BDSM.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
BDSM is essentially a type of erotic roleplay and the
people that engage in this sort of activity are mixing
pleasure and pain.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Okay, you know what what does b DSM stand for? Bondage, discipline, satoh,
massissistic is my understanding?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
What do those four words mean in your world? Doctor?
Speaker 5 (11:17):
So the bondage is pretty self explanatory. This is where
participants are literally tying each other up. Could be with ropes,
could be with tape, but there's this element of restricting
one of the participants. And when we have the discipline
also sometimes called domination, we're looking at activities where one
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person is playing the role of a more submissive character
and the other person is delivering domination or discipline to
that person in the submissive spot. Now, when we're talking
about sadism and masochism, we're looking at the difference between sadism,
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which is finding enjoyment from inflicting pain onto another person,
and really specifically here we're talking about getting sexual pleasure
out of inflicting pain on a partner, and then on
the flip side, the masochism, that's where the individual is
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getting sexual pleasure out of receiving pain.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Guys, as much as I would just love to talk
about b DSM more, I want to get back to
the double murdyrs. Take a listen to Chief Kevin Davis,
Fairfax County.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
The one caller that called nine one one told us
that there was a man inside the home shot and
there was a woman inside the home who had been stabbed.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Our patrol authors responded immediately. They found a man shot
inside the home who was deceased. The woman was still alive.
The woman who had been stabbed was still alive. She
was transported to a local hospital and she died at
the hospital. So a man was shot and killed inside
the home, a woman was stabbed and she died from
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her stab wounds that occurred inside the home as well.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Joining me right now, doctor Jan Gorniac, a renowned forensic pathologist,
former medical examiner in Clark County.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
That's Vegas.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Never a lack of business for the medical examiner in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Doctor Gorniac, thank you for being.
Speaker 9 (13:31):
With us, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I'm thinking about how these two murders went down. First
of all, you've got the fetishist, as he's being called.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
He's got a name, Joseph Ryan.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
He is shot dead, which, depending on where the gunshot
wound occurred on the body, could have been instantaneous. We
know a special agent shot him, an IRS special agent.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Was it to kill shot? Don't know yet.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
But I want to speak about the female victim, the wife,
the mother of a then four year old little girl.
This woman multiple stab wounds she suffered, Doctor Gorniac, did
you hear the share of the deputy state that she
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actually passed away at the hospital?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
What is it like? What does a human go through
when they exanguinate?
Speaker 9 (14:28):
So these are the cases that are low on my
list of cases I quote unquote like to do because
you know that stab wounds is not just one and done.
So she had multiple stab wounds. And so you're just
not going to lay there or stand in front of
somebody and let them stab you. There's going to be
a whole lot of movement in trying to get away.
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Sometimes people even grab the knife and have injuries to
their hands. So when someone gets stabbed and they are
bleeding mostly in internally safe from a stab wound to
the heart or to the lungs, it's not a quick death.
So they're going to go into shock. First, they're going
to have internal bleeding, they're going to go into shock,
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and then they're going to go unresponsive. So when I
heard the sheriff. I believe it was saying that she
was still alive. I'm not sure when we think of
alive that's what she was. I don't think she was
talking or communicating with the nine one one MS personnel.
(15:32):
I bet she still had a pulse. She's still probably breathing,
but shallow, shallow breathing, and that's why they transported her.
But essentially her heart was still going. She was still breathing.
That equals being alive. But I don't think she was
alive in the sense that we think of when someone
say they were still alive.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Alexis Teraeschuk, investigative reporter for Crime online dot Com.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Alexis, you have a a beautiful boy. I've got the twins.
I don't want.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
The only thing they have of their mother or father
are pictures. This little girl is four when her mother
is stabbed dead beside apparently a bontage fetishist. That I mean,
all she has, all she's gonna have the rest of
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her life are these pictures.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
She never got to know her mom at four years old.
This is it. She had just such a short amount
of time, so her mom had they'd hired an a
pair a nanny from Brazil to take care of their family,
something so many families around the world do.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
What do we know about this girl?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Twenty three year old Juliana macgalis.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Twenty three years old. She's from Brazil. She came to
live with the family. She was there nanny for quite
a few months, taking care of the four year old daughter.
Mom work, dad work. She would play with her, she
would take care of her and was really part of
the family. She was living in the home, so she
became that. She traveled with them, she worked with them,
She lived with them twenty four hours a day. She
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was really like a fourth member of the family. So
she is the one that called nine to one one.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh, okay, got it?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
What more do we know about the events leading up
to a double murder?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Listen?
Speaker 10 (17:29):
Christine Banfield plans a fun day for her four year
old daughter with a trip to the National Zoo with
her Brazilian o pair Juliana Perez Moghales. They leave their
Fairfax County, Virginia home, but turn around when Perez Magaales
realized that she forgot their bag lunches. Arriving at the house,
the ol pair sees a car she doesn't recognize and
a man she doesn't know entering the house. Confused, she
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calls her employer, Brendan Banfield, who tells her to stay
in the car. He will get there right away. Banfield
is at the house in minutes and they enter the
house together. The al pair takes the four year old
girl to the basement while Brendan Banfield goes upstairs to
the master suite.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
How did an innocent day at the National Zoo with
the Brazilian pair end up with a double homicide in
the family home in this upscale, ritzy part of Fairfax County, Okay.
Back to Alexis teresta Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
So let me just start at the beginning, as much
as I want to rush to the double homicide. So
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that morning, the mother, Christine, goes to work as an rin.
The husband, we think, goes to work with the Iris,
and that's what we think is going to happen. But
the pair, Juliana Margallie, turns back because she realizes she
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forgot all of the lunches she made for the little
girl at the zoo. She gets back, she sees the
car she doesn't recognize and a man she does know
entering the house. Okay, right there, I got a problem,
Alexis Tereschuk. If I see somebody coming in the house,
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why do you stop outside the house and call the husband?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Why would you suspect anything was wrong exactly?
Speaker 6 (19:19):
You would think, oh, maybe he's here to repair the
washing machine or something. But she, I guess, had not
expected the mom to be home, not expected Christine to
be home, and so she called the husband and said,
something really strange is going on. There's a car outside.
I don't know. He shows up very quickly at the
home and the two of them go in the house.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Here's the other thing.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
She takes the daughter into the house where there's a
stranger in the house, which also seems very strange. And
to hide in the basement. I would think you would
want to hide outside with the child so you could
get away, not take the child.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I mean, if you're that afraid, why not call nine
to one one? And where does this guy work? If
he's an IRS agent, and I'm guessing he can meets
into DC. How did we get back to the house
so quickly? Anyway, just a few questions jumping to mine.
So let me make sure I understand this to Barry Golden,
former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service. Now this is where
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the au pair, for an inexplicable reason, decides she's got
to take the baby girl to the basement and hide.
You know what, when I see somebody coming in the driveway,
I don't go hide in the basement.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I think, oh, it's.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
An Uber delivery, it's an Instacart delivery. It's somebody here
to fix the fan. I don't know, but I don't
run and hide in the basement. That said, she runs
and hides in the basement, and from what I understand,
the husband goes upstairs. And then suddenly this complete stranger,
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upon seeing the husband start stabbing the wife.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Why would he do that? He's dead, he can't tell us,
but something stinks.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Exactly Mary, I guess I'm trying to ask, is if
you're a fetishist and you're there for fetish sex BDSM,
ty each other up, fine, have at it. And the
husband walks in, why would you stab the wife?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Why won't you.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Just say, oh, I'm sorry, I put your clothes on
and leave.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
This is where this story has probably more questions than answers,
because those few seconds where this husband walks upstairs and
he finds his wife, who is nude at the time,
and this guy that he doesn't even know, and he
has a knife in his hand. And think about this.
This is a master bedroom, so you have a large bed,
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you have furniture around there. And he enters the room.
The O pairs downstairs and she hears someone say drop
the knife, and so she runs upstairs. And so here's
a train lawnch forcem an officer and I had to
really look for it to find it in media outlets.
But at that point in time, from what I read,
the mister Ryan had the knife to the throat of
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the wife and that's when mister Banfield encounters him. And
then from what I read, he starts to stab her
on the neck and that's when he shoots Trader in
the head at that point, probably doesn't kill him, but
then he falls to the ground. But the really confusing
part is, you're a trained law enforcement officer, you're trained
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in firearms, you trained twice a year. Why do you
need to ask the O pair, Hey, go get the
other gun in the bathroom in a safe. This is
the codetand that that is just mind boggling. Why would
a trained law enforcement officer need the help of a
nanny who's barely trained, has little training in firearms for
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help and.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Then not only ask her to go get the gun
Barry Golden, he asked her to come in and shoot
Ryan through the heart as he's down.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yes, uh huh, he is justified at that as as
just a person. He's justified if he is in that
close proximity of the wife and he still has a
knife and he is not dead yet or the action. Look,
law enforcement, the standard is shoot to stop the action.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
That's why Amanda Riemann joining us high profile lawyer out
of this jurisdiction Virginia. That is why I'm going through
what we know literally line by line, just like I
would if I were trying this case in front of
a jury, because each fact is so important. Now, one
fact that's come to mind, Alexis told me this earlier.
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The husband told the nanny, we've been told to go
downstairs with the basement, into the basement with the little girl.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Okay, that's answered. But why, okay, how did he know
who was home?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
How did he know it wasn't a friend of the
mom's or a repairman or the carpet cleaner.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Why do you immediately pull your weapon and tell the
nanny to go hide in the basement. Okay, that's one thing,
but Amanda, each line significant because when the husband tells
the nanny, the twenty three year old Brazilian nanny, to
go and get his block out of the safe and
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gives her the code to come shoot the guy in
the heart, that's where you lost me.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I'm not on board with this story anymore. I'm jumping.
I'm out.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Something's not right that one fact. I mean, I had
to suspend his belief a little bit, but it was
that's so fantastical. I had to reject it. Now it is, Amanda,
you know.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
And I have to disagree with Barry a little bit
in his analysis as far as the justification for.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
The shot.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
So in Virginia we have something called a self defense
legal defense, so you can't assert, hey, I was acting
in self defense, but three elements have to be true.
It's a three proned analysis. Number one, I reasonably believe,
number two that that force is necessary, and three to
protect yourself from an imminent harm from that other person.
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So if he has already shot the guy in the head.
What in the world is necessary that he needs to Hey,
it's okay for you to come up from the basement.
I've got time to tell you the code to unlock
the lock, get my gun, run up the two flights
of stairs at a minimum, and now shoot him again.
(25:52):
That doesn't make sense, and I don't buy that defense
of self defense.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
What I was referring to is that the husband could
have shot him again right there. He didn't need the
help of the O pair. He could. He was justified
with him being the perpetrator being so close to the wife.
If he was right there with his arm around the
wife's neck and he already cut her, he is justified
he and shooting him once or as many times as
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he needs to to stop that action so the wife
is safe. That's what I was getting to. Why would
he even call the O pair to go get Why
does he need help? He's a federal agent trained in firearms.
Why would he need the help of a person that's
not nearly as trained as he is to oh, go
get the gun and come over here. That part just
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is mind boggling to me. I do not understand that,
and that's where it really gets muddy.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Now, what more are we learning from Chief Kevin Davis
about the identity of the guy who's been shot not
only in the head, but also shot by the resilient
pair and the heart listened.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
The male deceited, the found dead inside the home shot
to death. First named Joseph, middle named Nathan, last name Ryan.
He's thirty nine years old. The female decedent who was
stabbed inside the home transported to a local hospital, pronounced
dead at the hospital. Her name is Christine Ann Banfield.
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Christine Banfield is thirty seven years old. There were two
other adults inside the home during this timeframe. Of the
two other adults inside the home I previously described as
the husband and I previously described as the OA pair,
there was a four year old child inside the home
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who obviously were not identifying. She is unharmed and she
is with the Fairfax County Police Department.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Did Joseph Ryan have all the answers? We'll never know
because he shot dead in the head by the husband
and in the heart by the pair. But we're learning
a little bit from Chief Kevin Davis.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Listen, he does not live here.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I stated at the earlier press conference that there was
no fourced entry whatsoever. This is not a home invasion.
He appears. Well, here's what I can say right now,
it's certain he did not force entry into the home,
and I don't know exactly what the nature of his
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presence in the home is all about just yet.
Speaker 11 (28:30):
Joseph Ryan is known to Christine Banfield. The pair have
reportedly been talking on an adult fetish site. Banfield has
a profile there and in conversations with Ryan arranged for
a round of rough sex at Banfield's home.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
What okay? White? What white? White? White? Alexis Tereschuk.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
So, from what we're learning, Joseph Ryan had a profile
on a fetishist website, and the mother, the wife, the nurse,
got on the website and made contact with this guy
and he shows up like she invites him over to
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tie her up and have sex, like bundles the baby
off with the nanny.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I'm just not seeing the connection.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I'm just not of course, you can't look at a
book and judge it by its cover, but I'm just
not seeing it less so does she also the mom
also have a profile on the fetishist site.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
I'm not sure if the mom herself had a profile
the way that the police have described this is that
there was an account that was made from the.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Home crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
To doctor Heidi Green, clinical psychologist and trauma's specialist and author.
Doctor Heidi very often I hear people say, gosh, she
didn't look like a child molester. He was the baseball
coach or the soccer coach. You don't know what's going
on in people's minds. I mean, I look at this mom,
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and she looks so happy. She's thrilled with her pregnancy,
the baby's only four, she loves her job, She's got
these big, beautiful smiles in every picture.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But photos and posts online can be very deceiving.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I'm just having a hard time imagining her bringing in
a complete stranger she's never met, and on day one,
according to what we've learned on their interactions online, on
day one, she ends up dead.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
It's certainly suspicious, and there's a lot that's suspicious here.
And when we look at things through a psychological lens,
so many of the reports that have been made here
about people's behavior just doesn't make sense. And so it's
hard for me to believe at this point, with the
information that we've been given that everything actually happened the
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way that the husband and the ol pair have described it,
because again from just a human behavior standpoint, too many
things don't add up.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I mean, I'm just thinking it through.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And you know, Barry Golden US Marshall Service, you and
I both handle more cases than we can even count.
I'm just finding it very difficult to take in what
I know about the mom, the likelihood that she hooks
up with a fetishist into bondage domination and on day
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one they meet as she ends up dead.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
So strange, I mean, And the guy enters the house
and the old pairs outside seeing him walk in the house,
and within a minute or two from the husband arriving
and then also entering the house, and now he has
a knife, the wife is naked, and he's in the
bedroom upstairs. You know those are those are you know,
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strange questions. But you have one person who is not talking,
and no one person is the husband, who is a
federal law enforcement officer. He has taken the Fifth Amendment
right to silence during court proceedings. If you're if you
have nothing to hide, if you walk in there you
find a stranger in your house, and a stranger that
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has a knife to the throat of your your wife. Okay,
physical harm to kill your wife, and you're justified in
firing at this person to stop him from killing your wife.
What do you have to hide? Why wouldn't you give
a statement to the police and say this is what happened,
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this is what I saw, and this is what I did.
They're only two shots fired. I had to really look
for this in doing research on this. There was one
shot fired by the husband and one shot fired by
the pair. Two shots.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
As we suspected, all is not as it seems. Apparently
the refutation of this mother has been dragged through the mud.
Speaker 11 (33:20):
Listen investigators say, however, they believe it was all a ruse,
that someone else created the profile on the adult fetish
website pretending to be Christine Banfield. In fact, investigators believe
Ryan's murder was part of an elaborate plan to kill
Christine Banfield so her husband Brendan, and their Brazilian live
in o pair could be together. Investigators found pictures of
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Banfield and the pair together in the Banfield bedroom in Perez.
Magalis's clothes were found hanging in the Banfield's closet, not
her own.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Okay, what did I just hear, Alexis Tereschuk explain.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
So, after the crime, after these two people are killed
in this home, the police spend months investigating. They come
back to the house to interview the couple, bathe, the dad,
and the nanny who's still living with them taking care,
and they realize that the nanny the old pair has
moved into the main bedroom, the master bedroom where Christine
was murdered. Her clothes are hanging in there, and there
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are framed pictures of the nanny and of the husband
together in the room, like she has just completely moved
in and taken over at the mom's place in the home.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Okay, tell me the status as it is right now, Alexis.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
So, the o pair has been charged with murder in
voluntary murder, I believe, and she is going to stand
trial for not the murder of the mom, not Christine,
but of Joseph Ryan, the man who is claimed that
he had been he came to have kinky sex with her.
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But nobody has been charged with the murder of Christine,
and it hasn't been stated that Joseph Ryan killed her,
and the husband hasn't been charged either, and one other
thing I want to say about the guns is that
a local gun range, a woman who worked there reported
that she had seen the nanny and the husband at
the gun range learning to practicing shooting months before Christine
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was murdered.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
And at the shooting range the gun that they were
practicing with ended up being the murder weapon.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
How coincidental And I'm sure that has matched up with ballistics.
But guys, so far only the au pair is charged.
To listen to Chief Kevin Davis, we.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Still have a lot of work to do to identify
who exactly. We have to prove it who exactly shot
and killed our male decedent, Joseph Ryan, and who exactly
stabbed Christine Danfield to death. We know what our nine
to one one caller, the husband told us, but we
have a lot a lot of work to do to
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substantiate that claim. He is not charged, She is not accused.
He was present at the home, he was involved in
looking to our investigation, and the status of folks may
may change over time, but right now, he was present
inside the home and involved.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
So Doctor Jane Gornia, the last thing Mommy sees is
the au pair and her husband.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
Yes, so we know that allegedly the husband shot, you know,
mister Ryan as he was stabbing the mom, and then
the pair comes in and shoots mister Ryan a second time.
There are so many and I'm not a law enforcement officer,
but as a forensic investigator, death investigator, I have so
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many questions. And like you said, if he was shot twice,
where are the projectiles because there would be two different projectiles.
So I'm just wondering, how do they know which shot
was the shot that caused his death?
Speaker 6 (36:53):
And then.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
The timeframe I think it's going to be if and
when they church somebody with the mother's murder, the timeframe
of injury between you know, what could mister Ryan have
been doing if he was shot? That time frame is
going to really play a big part, especially had she
got into the hospital sooner, could you have survived? Because
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we know there is there was a timeline. Obviously the
husband shot mister Ryan and then instead of staying called
nine one one, my wife is stebbed, you tell somebody
to go get another gun, so that time is missed.
So there's going to be so many more clues and
forensic evidence that's going to come out that's going to
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piece this together.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Well, this is where I think we're going to get
a lot of evidence is from the adult fetish website. Clearly,
someone pretending to be the mom Christine Banfield goes onto
the website and solicits Ryan to come to the home.
As soon as we can figure out all of that out,
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we'll have a clearer picture of how Mommy was stabbed dead.
We wait as justice unfolds, and now we stop to
remember American hero Georgia State Trooper Jimmy Zenescar, just twenty eight.
Trooper zennesscar struck by a vehicle while pursuing a suspect Atlanta,
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Studying criminal justice at Georgia Gwinnett College. In twenty twenty one,
he rescued a driver who had driven off a bridge.
Recently awarded a merit at the three hundred Club for
outstanding service. He leaves behind a loving fiancee, Natalia, and parents,
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and his sister and four brothers. American hero Georgia State
Trooper Jimmy Senescar. I want to thank all of our
guests for being with us tonight, but especially to you
for being with us tonight and every night. Nancy Grace
signing off, good night friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Breaking news tonight, did a glamorous au pair just twenty
three scheme an elaborate murder plot where her boss turned
lover's wife is found stabbed dead? And just how did
a complete stranger who happens to be a bondage and
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disciplined fetishist end up shot dead on the floor beside
the wife. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime
Stories and I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
This morning. At seven nine am, we received a cell
phone nine one one call that was an open line
hang up. That call was captured and noted, and thirteen
minutes later, at eight oh two am, we received a
cell phone nine one one call from the very same
cell phone, and two persons communicated with our nine one
(01:06):
one call taker, the husband of this home, who I
am not going to identify beyond identifying him as a husband,
and the pair who resides in this home, who I
AM not going to identify beyond describing her as an
O pair. At that eight h two nine one one
cell phone call, the husband and the O pair communicate
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with the nine one one call taker. The husband tells
the nine one one call taker that he just shot
a man inside of his home, and the husband tells
the nine one one call taker that the man who
he had just shot had stabbed his life.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Okay, I got so many questions just based on what
I just heard.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So how did this loving.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And faithful wife that we know of end up stabbed
dead in the family home? And then a complete stranger
who happens to be into bondage and discipline? What's he
doing in the home and he's dead? Now another thing
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I find highly curious. And let me just go straight
out to Barry Golden for a senior inspector for the
US Marshall Service, old owner of Golden Consulting Investigations. Barry,
when you've got a double homicide, typically sheriffs and you
were just hearing the Chief of the Fairfax County Police,
(02:35):
Kevin Davis speaking. Normally they give you more information and
you rarely hear them say the husband who I'm not
going to name, and the au pair who I'm not
going to name.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
That just makes me want to know who are they
more than ever.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yes, Well, we now know that the husband was a
federal law enforcement officer and a person trained. So when
that person finds out that an unknown male is in
his house. Okay, you're a trained law enforcement officer. If
you're like most law enforcement officers, wherever you go, you
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take your firearm with you and you go back to
the house, You're gonna wonder who is this guy? Is
he robbing? Is he doing something to my wife? So
there are a lot of questions that I have. What
happened in those seconds when he arrives back at the
house and then goes upstairs, what did he hear? What
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was going on where there's screams? And then what happens
when he gets to the door. A lot of those
answers right now haven't really been filled in. We kind
of jump from he arrives at the house too, he's
in the bedroom.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Okay, Barry Golden, you're perfect for these questions with me
an all star panel. I'm going to get to everybody
in just one moment. Barry Golden a for senior Inspective
with the US Marshall Service. And let me tell you something.
You want something done, you call the US Marshals. They
will find your guy no matter where they are or woman.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Barry.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
But another question I'm asking is why is LA law
enforcement withholding the name not only the husband, but the
twenty three year old of pair.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Well, at that point in time when that Chief of
police gives that statement, that's probably early on that same day,
an hour hours right after the incident. So they want
to keep some of that information close to their chest.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
It's early in the investigation, so they don't want to
identify everybody at that point in time.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Okay, gotcha, Okay, I will accept that right now.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, I will accept that. I think you're right about that.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
They didn't really understand what was happening or what they
had hold of.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Take a listen to more from Chief Kevin Davis, Fairfax County.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
The first nine to one one call came from me
what we now know to be the O pair celphone.
One call was an open mic, nothing distortable on that
call was a quick hang up. We noted that call.
Thirteen minutes later from the scene nine one one from
the same cell phone, a nine one one call was
made and on the phone was first CEO pair communicating
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with us, and then she apparently handed the phone to
the husband. The husband communicated with us, and that's when
the husband told us that he shot and killed a
man inside of his home. And that's when the husband
told us that the man who he shot and killed
was stabbing his wife.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh Man Alexis Tereshchak joining me crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter.
This is very complex, so I just want to take
it one step at a time. So the husband comes home,
for whatever reason, he goes in the home. As Barry
Golden pointed out, something led him to pull his weapon,
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to draw his weapon.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But there were two nine one one calls.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
The first one nobody said anything and then hung up,
and then there was a second nine one one call.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Is that correct?
Speaker 6 (06:05):
That's exactly right. There was a nimal one call and
it had an open line, which meant that the operator
could hear, but nobody was communicating the saying, you know,
please come help me. There's been a break in. Somebody's
being shot or murdered. So they immediately that I will
automatically send the police officers. The operator will send the
police officer to the home and open nine on one
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call is very suspicious. Thirteen minutes later, they get a
second call and it is from the O pair's phone,
and this is where the husband has said I have
shot somebody because they were stabbing my wife.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Oh, sister Rastchuk is joining us some crime online dot com.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
What can you tell me about the area I've got
Fairfax County. I looked at an aerial shot and some
other information. It looks like it's pretty swank.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
This is a very nice area. It's in northern Virginia.
It's the suburb of Washington, d C. Excellent schools, large home,
a quiet neighborhood, not at all known for crime that
you know is known a little bit north of there
in Washington, d C. Fairfax's news is a very safe,
very family oriented area.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Very wealthy too, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
To Amanda Rieman joining us from this jurisdiction. Amanda, you
can find her at Acrieman dot law R I E
M A n Amanda.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
The reason I'm asking about the area.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I don't care necessarily from where the victim heils. But
when you've got a really upscale, high priced neighborhood like this,
I mean, if you see the homes in that neighborhood,
they're mega mansions. This is where the politicians and a
lot of our rich people live that have to go
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into d C to work. The reason that is important
to me right now, is because it lowers my suspect pool.
If there's anything amiss about the husband's story, then I've
got to think of a suspect pool in an.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Enclave like that, a lot less suspects.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You don't have people selling crack on the street, you
don't have protesters out in front of the house, you
don't have a homeless camp one block away. It really
reduces the number of potential suspects if the husband's story
doesn't pan out. He's also a father, by the way,
hence the O pair. What about the neighborhood.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
So the neighborhood in Fairfax, Virginia is Northern Virginia. NOVA
is the abbreviation for it. Nova kids, NOVA parents. They're
all a little upscale. And the reason why is because
jobs are close to DC. It borders our nation's capital,
and the nation's capital pays a lot more money than
other areas in Virginia, whether that's Southwest Virginia or the
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south and so because of this higher income, you end
up having people who can afford nice things. They can
afford a living nanny, an all pair who is living
with them, who is taking care of their four year
old child. And so this is something that probably shocked
the neighborhood. It probably said chills up people's spine because
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these neighbors that they've known, perhaps there's never even been
an each OA issue or a trash can that's not
been drug back to the garage. So something like this
is not only shocking to the neighborhood, shocking to the area,
but shocking for this specific venue and that career the
people in this you know area, there's a lot of
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government workers, as the husband was employed, there's some clearances,
there's a lot of threshold you've got to get through
to be able to get to that caliber of job
clearance and that caliber of housing and name. It is
very very out of character for that area as well as.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
The Commonwealth.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Doctor Heidi Green, clinical psychologist, trauma specialist, author of The
Path to Self Love and World Domination. Doctor Heidi Green,
lying on the floor beside Mommy is a bondage fetishist.
Now explain to everybody that may not have handled BDSM
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murders like a few of us have, what is BDSM.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
BDSM is essentially a type of erotic roleplay and the
people that engage in this sort of activity are mixing
pleasure and pain.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Okay, you know what what does b DSM stand for? Bondage, discipline, satoh,
massissistic is my understanding?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
What do those four words mean in your world? Doctor?
Speaker 5 (11:17):
So the bondage is pretty self explanatory. This is where
participants are literally tying each other up. Could be with ropes,
could be with tape, but there's this element of restricting
one of the participants. And when we have the discipline
also sometimes called domination, we're looking at activities where one
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person is playing the role of a more submissive character
and the other person is delivering domination or discipline to
that person in the submissive spot. Now, when we're talking
about sadism and masochism, we're looking at the difference between sadism,
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which is finding enjoyment from inflicting pain onto another person,
and really specifically here we're talking about getting sexual pleasure
out of inflicting pain on a partner, and then on
the flip side, the masochism, that's where the individual is
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getting sexual pleasure out of receiving pain.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Guys, as much as I would just love to talk
about b DSM more, I want to get back to
the double murdyrs. Take a listen to Chief Kevin Davis,
Fairfax County.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
The one caller that called nine one one told us
that there was a man inside the home shot and
there was a woman inside the home who had been stabbed.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Our patrol authors responded immediately. They found a man shot
inside the home who was deceased. The woman was still alive.
The woman who had been stabbed was still alive. She
was transported to a local hospital and she died at
the hospital. So a man was shot and killed inside
the home, a woman was stabbed and she died from
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her stab wounds that occurred inside the home as well.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Joining me right now, doctor Jan Gorniac, a renowned forensic pathologist,
former medical examiner in Clark County.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
That's Vegas.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Never a lack of business for the medical examiner in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Doctor Gorniac, thank you for being.
Speaker 9 (13:31):
With us, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I'm thinking about how these two murders went down. First
of all, you've got the fetishist, as he's being called.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
He's got a name, Joseph Ryan.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
He is shot dead, which, depending on where the gunshot
wound occurred on the body, could have been instantaneous. We
know a special agent shot him, an IRS special agent.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Was it to kill shot? Don't know yet.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
But I want to speak about the female victim, the wife,
the mother of a then four year old little girl.
This woman multiple stab wounds she suffered, Doctor Gorniac, did
you hear the share of the deputy state that she
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actually passed away at the hospital?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
What is it like? What does a human go through
when they exanguinate?
Speaker 9 (14:28):
So these are the cases that are low on my
list of cases I quote unquote like to do because
you know that stab wounds is not just one and done.
So she had multiple stab wounds. And so you're just
not going to lay there or stand in front of
somebody and let them stab you. There's going to be
a whole lot of movement in trying to get away.
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Sometimes people even grab the knife and have injuries to
their hands. So when someone gets stabbed and they are
bleeding mostly in internally safe from a stab wound to
the heart or to the lungs, it's not a quick death.
So they're going to go into shock. First, they're going
to have internal bleeding, they're going to go into shock,
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and then they're going to go unresponsive. So when I
heard the sheriff. I believe it was saying that she
was still alive. I'm not sure when we think of
alive that's what she was. I don't think she was
talking or communicating with the nine one one MS personnel.
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I bet she still had a pulse. She's still probably breathing,
but shallow, shallow breathing, and that's why they transported her.
But essentially her heart was still going. She was still breathing.
That equals being alive. But I don't think she was
alive in the sense that we think of when someone
say they were still alive.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Alexis Teraeschuk, investigative reporter for Crime online dot Com.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Alexis, you have a a beautiful boy. I've got the twins.
I don't want.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
The only thing they have of their mother or father
are pictures. This little girl is four when her mother
is stabbed dead beside apparently a bontage fetishist. That I mean,
all she has, all she's gonna have the rest of
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her life are these pictures.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
She never got to know her mom at four years old.
This is it. She had just such a short amount
of time, so her mom had they'd hired an a
pair a nanny from Brazil to take care of their family,
something so many families around the world do.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
What do we know about this girl?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Twenty three year old Juliana macgalis.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Twenty three years old. She's from Brazil. She came to
live with the family. She was there nanny for quite
a few months, taking care of the four year old daughter.
Mom work, dad work. She would play with her, she
would take care of her and was really part of
the family. She was living in the home, so she
became that. She traveled with them, she worked with them,
She lived with them twenty four hours a day. She
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was really like a fourth member of the family. So
she is the one that called nine to one one.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh, okay, got it?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
What more do we know about the events leading up
to a double murder?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Listen?
Speaker 10 (17:29):
Christine Banfield plans a fun day for her four year
old daughter with a trip to the National Zoo with
her Brazilian o pair Juliana Perez Moghales. They leave their
Fairfax County, Virginia home, but turn around when Perez Magaales
realized that she forgot their bag lunches. Arriving at the house,
the ol pair sees a car she doesn't recognize and
a man she doesn't know entering the house. Confused, she
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calls her employer, Brendan Banfield, who tells her to stay
in the car. He will get there right away. Banfield
is at the house in minutes and they enter the
house together. The al pair takes the four year old
girl to the basement while Brendan Banfield goes upstairs to
the master suite.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
How did an innocent day at the National Zoo with
the Brazilian pair end up with a double homicide in
the family home in this upscale, ritzy part of Fairfax County, Okay.
Back to Alexis teresta Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
So let me just start at the beginning, as much
as I want to rush to the double homicide. So
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that morning, the mother, Christine, goes to work as an rin.
The husband, we think, goes to work with the Iris,
and that's what we think is going to happen. But
the pair, Juliana Margallie, turns back because she realizes she
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forgot all of the lunches she made for the little
girl at the zoo. She gets back, she sees the
car she doesn't recognize and a man she does know
entering the house. Okay, right there, I got a problem,
Alexis Tereschuk. If I see somebody coming in the house,
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why do you stop outside the house and call the husband?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Why would you suspect anything was wrong exactly?
Speaker 6 (19:19):
You would think, oh, maybe he's here to repair the
washing machine or something. But she, I guess, had not
expected the mom to be home, not expected Christine to
be home, and so she called the husband and said,
something really strange is going on. There's a car outside.
I don't know. He shows up very quickly at the
home and the two of them go in the house.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Here's the other thing.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
She takes the daughter into the house where there's a
stranger in the house, which also seems very strange. And
to hide in the basement. I would think you would
want to hide outside with the child so you could
get away, not take the child.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I mean, if you're that afraid, why not call nine
to one one? And where does this guy work? If
he's an IRS agent, and I'm guessing he can meets
into DC. How did we get back to the house
so quickly? Anyway, just a few questions jumping to mine.
So let me make sure I understand this to Barry Golden,
former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service. Now this is where
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the au pair, for an inexplicable reason, decides she's got
to take the baby girl to the basement and hide.
You know what, when I see somebody coming in the driveway,
I don't go hide in the basement.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I think, oh, it's.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
An Uber delivery, it's an Instacart delivery. It's somebody here
to fix the fan. I don't know, but I don't
run and hide in the basement. That said, she runs
and hides in the basement, and from what I understand,
the husband goes upstairs. And then suddenly this complete stranger,
(20:55):
upon seeing the husband start stabbing the wife.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Why would he do that? He's dead, he can't tell us,
but something stinks.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Exactly Mary, I guess I'm trying to ask, is if
you're a fetishist and you're there for fetish sex BDSM,
ty each other up, fine, have at it. And the
husband walks in, why would you stab the wife?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Why won't you.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Just say, oh, I'm sorry, I put your clothes on
and leave.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
This is where this story has probably more questions than answers,
because those few seconds where this husband walks upstairs and
he finds his wife, who is nude at the time,
and this guy that he doesn't even know, and he
has a knife in his hand. And think about this.
This is a master bedroom, so you have a large bed,
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you have furniture around there. And he enters the room.
The O pairs downstairs and she hears someone say drop
the knife, and so she runs upstairs. And so here's
a train lawnch forcem an officer and I had to
really look for it to find it in media outlets.
But at that point in time, from what I read,
the mister Ryan had the knife to the throat of
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the wife and that's when mister Banfield encounters him. And
then from what I read, he starts to stab her
on the neck and that's when he shoots Trader in
the head at that point, probably doesn't kill him, but
then he falls to the ground. But the really confusing
part is, you're a trained law enforcement officer, you're trained
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in firearms, you trained twice a year. Why do you
need to ask the O pair, Hey, go get the
other gun in the bathroom in a safe. This is
the codetand that that is just mind boggling. Why would
a trained law enforcement officer need the help of a
nanny who's barely trained, has little training in firearms for
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help and.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Then not only ask her to go get the gun
Barry Golden, he asked her to come in and shoot
Ryan through the heart as he's down.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yes, uh huh, he is justified at that as as
just a person. He's justified if he is in that
close proximity of the wife and he still has a
knife and he is not dead yet or the action. Look,
law enforcement, the standard is shoot to stop the action.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
That's why Amanda Riemann joining us high profile lawyer out
of this jurisdiction Virginia. That is why I'm going through
what we know literally line by line, just like I
would if I were trying this case in front of
a jury, because each fact is so important. Now, one
fact that's come to mind, Alexis told me this earlier.
(23:52):
The husband told the nanny, we've been told to go
downstairs with the basement, into the basement with the little girl.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Okay, that's answered. But why, okay, how did he know
who was home?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
How did he know it wasn't a friend of the
mom's or a repairman or the carpet cleaner.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Why do you immediately pull your weapon and tell the
nanny to go hide in the basement. Okay, that's one thing,
but Amanda, each line significant because when the husband tells
the nanny, the twenty three year old Brazilian nanny, to
go and get his block out of the safe and
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gives her the code to come shoot the guy in
the heart, that's where you lost me.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I'm not on board with this story anymore. I'm jumping.
I'm out.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Something's not right that one fact. I mean, I had
to suspend his belief a little bit, but it was
that's so fantastical. I had to reject it. Now it is, Amanda,
you know.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
And I have to disagree with Barry a little bit
in his analysis as far as the justification for.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
The shot.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
So in Virginia we have something called a self defense
legal defense, so you can't assert, hey, I was acting
in self defense, but three elements have to be true.
It's a three proned analysis. Number one, I reasonably believe,
number two that that force is necessary, and three to
protect yourself from an imminent harm from that other person.
(25:29):
So if he has already shot the guy in the head.
What in the world is necessary that he needs to Hey,
it's okay for you to come up from the basement.
I've got time to tell you the code to unlock
the lock, get my gun, run up the two flights
of stairs at a minimum, and now shoot him again.
(25:52):
That doesn't make sense, and I don't buy that defense
of self defense.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
What I was referring to is that the husband could
have shot him again right there. He didn't need the
help of the O pair. He could. He was justified
with him being the perpetrator being so close to the wife.
If he was right there with his arm around the
wife's neck and he already cut her, he is justified
he and shooting him once or as many times as
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he needs to to stop that action so the wife
is safe. That's what I was getting to. Why would
he even call the O pair to go get Why
does he need help? He's a federal agent trained in firearms.
Why would he need the help of a person that's
not nearly as trained as he is to oh, go
get the gun and come over here. That part just
(26:39):
is mind boggling to me. I do not understand that,
and that's where it really gets muddy.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Now, what more are we learning from Chief Kevin Davis
about the identity of the guy who's been shot not
only in the head, but also shot by the resilient
pair and the heart listened.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
The male deceited, the found dead inside the home shot
to death. First named Joseph, middle named Nathan, last name Ryan.
He's thirty nine years old. The female decedent who was
stabbed inside the home transported to a local hospital, pronounced
dead at the hospital. Her name is Christine Ann Banfield.
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Christine Banfield is thirty seven years old. There were two
other adults inside the home during this timeframe. Of the
two other adults inside the home I previously described as
the husband and I previously described as the OA pair,
there was a four year old child inside the home
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who obviously were not identifying. She is unharmed and she
is with the Fairfax County Police Department.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Did Joseph Ryan have all the answers? We'll never know
because he shot dead in the head by the husband
and in the heart by the pair. But we're learning
a little bit from Chief Kevin Davis.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Listen, he does not live here.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I stated at the earlier press conference that there was
no fourced entry whatsoever. This is not a home invasion.
He appears. Well, here's what I can say right now,
it's certain he did not force entry into the home,
and I don't know exactly what the nature of his
(28:27):
presence in the home is all about just yet.
Speaker 11 (28:30):
Joseph Ryan is known to Christine Banfield. The pair have
reportedly been talking on an adult fetish site. Banfield has
a profile there and in conversations with Ryan arranged for
a round of rough sex at Banfield's home.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
What okay? White? What white? White? White? Alexis Tereschuk.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
So, from what we're learning, Joseph Ryan had a profile
on a fetishist website, and the mother, the wife, the nurse,
got on the website and made contact with this guy
and he shows up like she invites him over to
(29:13):
tie her up and have sex, like bundles the baby
off with the nanny.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I'm just not seeing the connection.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I'm just not of course, you can't look at a
book and judge it by its cover, but I'm just
not seeing it less so does she also the mom
also have a profile on the fetishist site.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
I'm not sure if the mom herself had a profile
the way that the police have described this is that
there was an account that was made from the.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Home crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
To doctor Heidi Green, clinical psychologist and trauma's specialist and author.
Doctor Heidi very often I hear people say, gosh, she
didn't look like a child molester. He was the baseball
coach or the soccer coach. You don't know what's going
on in people's minds. I mean, I look at this mom,
(30:18):
and she looks so happy. She's thrilled with her pregnancy,
the baby's only four, she loves her job, She's got
these big, beautiful smiles in every picture.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But photos and posts online can be very deceiving.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I'm just having a hard time imagining her bringing in
a complete stranger she's never met, and on day one,
according to what we've learned on their interactions online, on
day one, she ends up dead.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
It's certainly suspicious, and there's a lot that's suspicious here.
And when we look at things through a psychological lens,
so many of the reports that have been made here
about people's behavior just doesn't make sense. And so it's
hard for me to believe at this point, with the
information that we've been given that everything actually happened the
(31:13):
way that the husband and the ol pair have described it,
because again from just a human behavior standpoint, too many
things don't add up.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I mean, I'm just thinking it through.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
And you know, Barry Golden US Marshall Service, you and
I both handle more cases than we can even count.
I'm just finding it very difficult to take in what
I know about the mom, the likelihood that she hooks
up with a fetishist into bondage domination and on day
(31:47):
one they meet as she ends up dead.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
So strange, I mean, And the guy enters the house
and the old pairs outside seeing him walk in the house,
and within a minute or two from the husband arriving
and then also entering the house, and now he has
a knife, the wife is naked, and he's in the
bedroom upstairs. You know those are those are you know,
(32:13):
strange questions. But you have one person who is not talking,
and no one person is the husband, who is a
federal law enforcement officer. He has taken the Fifth Amendment
right to silence during court proceedings. If you're if you
have nothing to hide, if you walk in there you
find a stranger in your house, and a stranger that
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has a knife to the throat of your your wife. Okay,
physical harm to kill your wife, and you're justified in
firing at this person to stop him from killing your wife.
What do you have to hide? Why wouldn't you give
a statement to the police and say this is what happened,
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this is what I saw, and this is what I did.
They're only two shots fired. I had to really look
for this in doing research on this. There was one
shot fired by the husband and one shot fired by
the pair. Two shots.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
As we suspected, all is not as it seems. Apparently
the refutation of this mother has been dragged through the mud.
Speaker 11 (33:20):
Listen investigators say, however, they believe it was all a ruse,
that someone else created the profile on the adult fetish
website pretending to be Christine Banfield. In fact, investigators believe
Ryan's murder was part of an elaborate plan to kill
Christine Banfield so her husband Brendan, and their Brazilian live
in o pair could be together. Investigators found pictures of
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Banfield and the pair together in the Banfield bedroom in Perez.
Magalis's clothes were found hanging in the Banfield's closet, not
her own.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Okay, what did I just hear, Alexis Tereschuk explain.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
So, after the crime, after these two people are killed
in this home, the police spend months investigating. They come
back to the house to interview the couple, bathe, the dad,
and the nanny who's still living with them taking care,
and they realize that the nanny the old pair has
moved into the main bedroom, the master bedroom where Christine
was murdered. Her clothes are hanging in there, and there
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are framed pictures of the nanny and of the husband
together in the room, like she has just completely moved
in and taken over at the mom's place in the home.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Okay, tell me the status as it is right now, Alexis.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
So, the o pair has been charged with murder in
voluntary murder, I believe, and she is going to stand
trial for not the murder of the mom, not Christine,
but of Joseph Ryan, the man who is claimed that
he had been he came to have kinky sex with her.
(34:46):
But nobody has been charged with the murder of Christine,
and it hasn't been stated that Joseph Ryan killed her,
and the husband hasn't been charged either, and one other
thing I want to say about the guns is that
a local gun range, a woman who worked there reported
that she had seen the nanny and the husband at
the gun range learning to practicing shooting months before Christine
(35:10):
was murdered.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
And at the shooting range the gun that they were
practicing with ended up being the murder weapon.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
How coincidental And I'm sure that has matched up with ballistics.
But guys, so far only the au pair is charged.
To listen to Chief Kevin Davis, we.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Still have a lot of work to do to identify
who exactly. We have to prove it who exactly shot
and killed our male decedent, Joseph Ryan, and who exactly
stabbed Christine Danfield to death. We know what our nine
to one one caller, the husband told us, but we
have a lot a lot of work to do to
(35:51):
substantiate that claim. He is not charged, She is not accused.
He was present at the home, he was involved in
looking to our investigation, and the status of folks may
may change over time, but right now, he was present
inside the home and involved.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
So Doctor Jane Gornia, the last thing Mommy sees is
the au pair and her husband.
Speaker 9 (36:17):
Yes, so we know that allegedly the husband shot, you know,
mister Ryan as he was stabbing the mom, and then
the pair comes in and shoots mister Ryan a second time.
There are so many and I'm not a law enforcement officer,
but as a forensic investigator, death investigator, I have so
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many questions. And like you said, if he was shot twice,
where are the projectiles because there would be two different projectiles.
So I'm just wondering, how do they know which shot
was the shot that caused his death?
Speaker 6 (36:53):
And then.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
The timeframe I think it's going to be if and
when they church somebody with the mother's murder, the timeframe
of injury between you know, what could mister Ryan have
been doing if he was shot? That time frame is
going to really play a big part, especially had she
got into the hospital sooner, could you have survived? Because
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we know there is there was a timeline. Obviously the
husband shot mister Ryan and then instead of staying called
nine one one, my wife is stebbed, you tell somebody
to go get another gun, so that time is missed.
So there's going to be so many more clues and
forensic evidence that's going to come out that's going to
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piece this together.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Well, this is where I think we're going to get
a lot of evidence is from the adult fetish website. Clearly,
someone pretending to be the mom Christine Banfield goes onto
the website and solicits Ryan to come to the home.
As soon as we can figure out all of that out,
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we'll have a clearer picture of how Mommy was stabbed dead.
We wait as justice unfolds, and now we stop to
remember American hero Georgia State Trooper Jimmy Zenescar, just twenty eight.
Trooper zennesscar struck by a vehicle while pursuing a suspect Atlanta,
(38:24):
Studying criminal justice at Georgia Gwinnett College. In twenty twenty one,
he rescued a driver who had driven off a bridge.
Recently awarded a merit at the three hundred Club for
outstanding service. He leaves behind a loving fiancee, Natalia, and parents,
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and his sister and four brothers. American hero Georgia State
Trooper Jimmy Senescar. I want to thank all of our
guests for being with us tonight, but especially to you
for being with us tonight and every night. Nancy Grace
signing off, good night friend,
Host
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