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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Bombshell verdict in the case of an illegal immigrant accused
of the rape and murder of a beautiful young mother
of five, Rachel Morin. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us. An illegal migrant found
guilty of quote, viciously raping and murdering a Maryland mom
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of five, Rachel Morin. After the jury deliberated less than
an hour, Victor Martinez Hernandez, twenty four, convicted guilty a
first degree murder, first degree rape, first degree sex offense,
and kidnapping. This after Rachel, thirty seven, was murdered along
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a hiking trail about thirty miles northeast of Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Again, the guilty verdicts.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Handed down in less than an hour of deliberation. Martinez
Hernandez said to spend the rest of his life behind bars.
What were the facts that convinced this jury?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Trail mom Rachel Morin's killer caught in a Tulsa bar.
The suspect, Victor Hernandez, on the run from his native
El Salvador for yet another murder. Today, Rachel Morin's mom
speaks out.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
You know everywhere I look I see him. I see
him everywhere I look. Why do I have to keep
seeing him? I want to see Rachel Moron. Beautiful on
the inside, beautiful on the outside, no question about that,
But in my mind, more important than her striking beauty,
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she is the mother of five, the mother of five children,
and before that, she was a daughter to a wonderful mom.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Patty mourn, Miss Moran. Thank you for being with us,
Thank you for having me, Miss Moran.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
How did you learn that Rachel's killer had been caught?
Because this was a man hunt like no other, crossing
borders all the way to Old Salvador.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Actually, the sheriff department reached out to our family and
had set up a meeting in their office to let
us know that they had identified the suspect and that
they were in the process of trying to locate him.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
So at the time we weren't allowed to say anything.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
They showed us a picture of him, and then we
were expecting that it would still take some time, but miraculously,
within hours after they informed us, they were able to
locate him and apprehend him.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Looking at this guy, he looks like if somebody you
might pass on the way to the subway or at
the grocery store. Little did everyone know, this guy with
the big smile laid in wait to catch Rachel, mother
of five, as she walked around the bend of the
Ma and Paw trail there near bel Air, Maryland. As
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you can see, the bend in the trail gives him
perfect cover. He's like a hyena waiting at the waterpool,
waiting for the beautiful gazelle to come by and then pounce,
just waiting. Rachel had no idea what would befall her
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that day. Tracking this guy, this guy, Victor Antonio Martinez
her Nandez, was no easy thing.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Listen, if he's come.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Under the radar through Haida, that means they may have
already had pre incident contact with this guy on other
types of crimes, narcotics investigations, or something to that effect.
The fact that the sheriff mentioned them the other day
as a partner who assisted in this case, that threw
me a red flag that, Okay, this guy had been
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in this country. And now that big question is what
was he doing. Was he running dope? Was he working
for somebody? And maybe this is what gave him the
availability to travel around the United States and how he
ended up in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Joining me in addition to Rachel's mother Patty, is renowned
psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall joining us from La. Doctor Bethany,
I've tried so many cases where the victim was.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Involved in wrongdoing.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I've tried a lot of drug cases that turned into
homicide cases. But there are those singular cases. There are
those cases that strike me where it's such a dichotomy
of good versus evil. You have Rachel Morin, young, beautiful, happy,
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a fantastic mother, and you know how I feel, Bethany.
There is no greater compliment to me than someone saying,
you know what, You're really a good mom. She devoted
herself to five children. You got her, and you got
this guy just trucking. Alawn Martinez Hernandez already killed one
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person in El Salvador, sneaks over here, somewhere in the timeline,
he sex assaults a nine year old little girl. And
I'm telling you, Bethany, doctor Bethany, there are more victims,
be they in Virginia, in California, in Tulsa, where he
was apprehended. I'm not sure, but I do know this
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these are not his only victims ecotomy I'm talking about.
You've got Rachel Morin, just beautiful, just beloved by her family,
her mother.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Who is with us today, and they got this guy.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
And it makes me wonder this age old question, why
to our very best people fall victim to people like Hernandez.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yes, good and evil, it's right there. And what I really.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Am struck by in this case is that this perpetrator
is what I would call poly perverse, and so this
makes this guy very, very dangerous. And the other thing
Nancy that strikes me is the enormous amount of energy
that goes into these crimes. This guy is not just
you know, in one town or one village and you know,
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just sneaking out at night and killing or raping somebody.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
This guy is traveling all over the world.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
So if he hadn't been caught, we could have had
a total killing spree.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Well, I don't know what you mean by could have
had a total killing spree. I've got a victim in
El Salvador dead, Rachel Mooren is dead, a nine year
old girl has been raped, and I guarantee you there
are more dead bodies in his wake. The reason this
guy has been caught before he could kill again. Is
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because of Rachel Moron and the publicity and the intent,
the iron will. Her mother had to see this thing through.
I don't know how many more victims there would be,
So I do know who and what Rachel Moron is.
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She is the lady that moms want their girls to
grow up and be. That's who Rachel Moren is.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Who is this guy? Listen?
Speaker 8 (08:01):
Five hours after meeting with the family, and just before
midnight our time police in Tulsa, Oklahoma, assisted by our
federal partners, located and arrested Rachel's murderer, Victor Antonio Martinez Hernandez.
So far, we have learned that the suspect now pictured
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on the screens is a twenty year old, twenty three
year old citizen of El Salvador who illegally crossed the
border into the United States in February of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Mis moran, could you tell to our listeners who is Rachel?
I guess the backdrop of who is this guy Hernandez?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Well, Rachel from birth on has been this little spark,
like a little fireball. I remember her being like fourteen
to fifteen months old, and these very petite, fair skin,
bright orange hair, and she just loved life. She loved
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learning new things. Everything excited her. The excitement wasn't learning.
But also she was very sensitive. She cared about people.
She cared about people's feelings. She was very compassionate. She
grew up to be just a wonderful woman. Balanced.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
I loved her because she had She has.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
A strong sense of herself and she didn't have a
problem disagreeing with mom because Mom's a little older and
more traditional.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
But she was. But that's what made her who she was.
She knew who she was. She loved her children. She
devoted herself to her children. She was a hard worker.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Ms. Lauren, Can you tell me about Rachel's children and
how they have been with bonding to mommy being gone.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yes, in the beginning, it was they lived in denial.
They couldn't understand why she was gone. They couldn't understand
why she couldn't come back. She has an autistic daughter
who's high on the spectrum, and her daughter just kept saying,
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I just want my friend back, and she couldn't understand
that she couldn't come back to her. I know that
they've been getting a counseling and help in processing this.
But I think that it's going to be a long
time because they're still so young and so at different
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points in their growth and in their maturity. They're going
to come back to this and kind of reprocess it.
So I think this is going to be a long
term thing for her children.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Patty how old is her youngest eight years old. There
are five of them. Have they been kept together or
did they have to be separated?
Speaker 4 (11:07):
This five, they're all separated. Her oldest daughter has been
living with her fiance for the past two years or so,
and they're actually expecting their first baby, so Rachel's missing
the birth her first granddaughter. Then two of her children,
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the next two in age, are with their father, which
is about an hour away from the rest of the family,
and then the youngest live in the area, so they
live with their fathers in separate places. But they do
try to come together a couple of times a month
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to hang out for a weekend and to be with
each other. But it's very, very disheartening they have such
broken up family.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You know, until I had the twins, I you know,
I would hear people talk about the best thing that
ever happened to them was having a grandchild and being there.
The thought that I wouldn't be there to help my
daughter when she has a baby, or to help my son.
It's devastating the most important thing that happens to them
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in their life, and she's not going to be there,
and that child is not going to have her. And
when I think about this woman, when I think about
Rachel Moore, and I was first when I heard about
her murder, I was just struck by her incredible physical beauty.
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But the more I learned about her, she was completely
devoted to those children.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And who is he listened?
Speaker 8 (12:55):
Victor Hernandez did not come here to make a better
life for himself or for his family. He came here
to escape a crime he committed, no salador. He came
here and murdered Rachel and God willing no one else.
But that should have never been allowed to happen.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Guilty, an illegal immigrant now convicted in the murder of
a beautiful young mother of five, guilty in her murder
and rape, the jury deliberating less than an hour. Patty Mooren,
along with her lawyer, also joining us Randolph Rice, who
is the family lawyer. I might add Vincent Hill joining
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me in addition to doctor Bethany Marshall, Vincent Hill investigative,
reporter of Fox forty five in Baltimore and former police
officer in Private Eye. He's the author of playbook to
a Murder of Vincent. Thank you for joining. I want
to try and explain, but you're very familiar with the path.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
How this guy, a predator.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Already murdered one woman back in El Salvador, already attacked
a mother and a nine year old little girl. How
he is waiting along this trail and this is not
a trail where nobody can say, you know, Vincent, How
people love to say, oh I would never have gone
walking on that trail by myself or everybody feels in
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the blank right there. It drives me crazy. So they
can differentiate themselves from a violent crime victim.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Because it makes you feel safe. That's not going to
happen to you.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
But this trail, Ma and Pa trail, it's a family trail.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Families are on it all the time. If you look.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Past those trees, there's an apartment complex and people access
it all the time. And I just want to point
out there is no way to insinuate that Rachel Moore
and in any way was acting negligently or recklessly. I
want to dispel that myth because I've heard it.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It's not true.
Speaker 9 (15:11):
Yeah, that's right, Nancy. I mean, if Rachel had any
inkling that something would have been best on that trail,
given her size, given the fact that she was alone,
she wouldn't have been there. Built on that particular day.
I'm sure there were hundreds of people out because the
weather was nice. This guy was lying in wait, he
had been to that trail, he'd maybe even seen Rachel before,
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because we know that he had been in Maryland for
quite some time before he did what he did. So
Rachel was just going about her day and unfortunately she
was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and
she came across Victor Martinez, which ended her life.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
You know, Vincent, I want to address something that you
just said. Of course, everything you said is usual, is accurate,
but you said, and I think it's because Rachel's mother
is with us. You said, he and you paused did
what he did. I've had to look jury's in the face,
little old ladies sitting on the jury and tell them
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what happened. Rachel's mother knows what happened. You think I
want to hurt her. We have to be blunt. What
he did. He did what he did, you said, after
a long pause. He stalked her, he saw her. He
bludgeoned her, He beat in her face, and he raped her.
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And he left her on that trail naked. He stole
this mother from her children in the most brutal fashioned
like an animal. That is what he did. And there's
no way to sugarcoat it. There's no way to airbrush
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it or massage it into something else. And because of Rachel,
we know who he is and he is behind bars.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
This is what happened. Listen.
Speaker 10 (17:13):
There was a bend in the trail that most likely
was used by the individual who attacked Rachel in the
trail pulled her through the wooded area into this drainage culvert,
where she ultimately lost her life.
Speaker 11 (17:25):
DNA evidence was collected by our Forensic Services Union. That
DNA was analyzed by the Maryland State Police and it
was ran through the National Code System DNA evidences. I mean,
this DNA evidence has come back as a match tied
to a home invasion and an assault of a young
girl in Los Angeles this past March. Unfortunately, that suspect
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has not been positively identified, but he did leave behind.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
His DNA and that was then.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
This is now we got him due to an extensive
and hunt and incredible work by lab scientists in genetic
genealogy cutting edge DNA, we have Hernandez. I want to
go to our special guest, Patty Moren. This is Rachel's mother.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Ms.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Moran.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yes, I'm so sorry what you've lived through, but I
know you're going to be front and center when this
goes to trial. How many times have you let yourself
lived through what Rachel experienced?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
It's an everyday thing. Sad to say it, it's I know.
Part of grieving is you have to face the facts
and you have to process them. And until they apprehended
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the suspect, it was easy to kind of live and
deny a little bit. But now that.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
They have a suspect, it makes all the facts true
and you have to face the truth and accept it.
And so you have to.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Rethink what you've been told and process those thoughts and put.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
A timeline to it. And it's very it's like, it's
so painful and grieving to think what my daughter experienced
and that there was no one there to help her.
Speaker 12 (19:56):
You know, as moms, we want to protect our children,
and I have something so unexpected to happen, and for
us just not to be there, not able to help.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
It's been a very it's just been it's been very hard.
I wasn't there to protect her or to help her,
but I want to be there after the fact, I
guess to make sure that absolutely everything is done for
her and that nothing is left undone.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Sorry, Randolph, I'm so glad you're there with Ms Moran.
I'm just so glad you're there, Randolph Rice, high profile
lawyer that's working with the Moron family. Just let me
go to Chris McDonough. He is the director of the
Cold Case Foundation. He has been working on this case
and investigating on his own, as we all have been.
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Former homicide detective with no less than three hundred homicide investigations.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Under his belt.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I found him on YouTube on the interview room during
the Coburger investigation and was struck by his knowledge, his
intimate familiarity, but not only that case, but the workings
of a courtroom and Chris McDonough, I don't know if
you ever let yourself think about the suffering of the
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victims that you and I have represented our whole careers,
if you can call what we do a career.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
But Chris, I'm listening to Ms.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Morin and I have never been quite as brave as
she is being today, because when I think about my
fiance's murder, what happened in those moments that he was killed,
I stopped myself because to this day it gives me
an intense headache, a horrible headache when I start reliving
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what I think happened. Crime victims never get away from it,
and I can't. Now that I've got children, I can't
imagine what a parent goes through. You heard Rachel's mom
describing you can't be there for your child, your baby,
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you can't help them.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
It's excruciating. How do you separate yourself from that? Chris?
Speaker 6 (22:28):
You know I lost a child in two thousand and three,
and I don't think anybody quite understands, like Nancy's explaining
about the death of her fiance, what depth of pain
you can get to. But here's the other good news.
You can get through it, and you can empower yourself
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that her life makes a difference to perhaps somebody else's
family that this never happens again to anybody else that
they have to and what you're experiencing, so it does,
you will be able to get through it.
Speaker 13 (23:05):
And you know, I know that Nancy's given you an
amazing platform here to tell the nation. You know how
you're going to do that, and I commend you for
saying what you've said. Even this morning.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I want to go to special guests joining us. In
addition to Rachel's mother, it's Randolph Rice, high profile lawyer
who is helping the Morin family through this.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Randolph, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
You know, I tried a drug lord and the night
he was arrested, I'll never forget it. He was wearing,
oh on Michael Jackson, a bright red leather jacket and
matching pants, the highest Italian leather. He was wearing a
red shirt underneath it, and he was wearing red they
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had to be five hundred dollars tennischeska and a red hat.
Of course that said guess what he wore. Of course,
he made bond because he had millions of dollars drug money,
but guess what he wore Day one to the trial
just guess yes, same thing, and that is what one
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of the witnesses had described a red jacket, a red
leather jacket. What I'm saying is not just about the hat,
Randolph Rice, it's the fingerprint nature of the crimes, the similarities.
In both cases, he lie in wait for the right moment.
In both cases, he attacked a female. In both cases,
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he's wearing the same thing. In both cases, there was
physical brutality. In both cases. He makes off casually. He
walked out of that house.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Like he owned it.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
And I guarantee you he did the same thing in
Rachel's murder. The similarities of these cases and there's going
to be more. I just wonder if the case No
Salvador is as similar as that can be brought in
at trial as a similar transaction. I mean, if we're
going to go, Randolph Rice, let us go all the way.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (25:16):
Now, you're right, And as you as a former prosecutor
and back in the day when I had a little
less gray hair, I remember prepping for these types of cases.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
And you're right.
Speaker 14 (25:25):
You have got to put together a timeline of where
he was leading up to this and where he was
after because there could be patterns, there could be similarities.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Finally, a guilty verdict in the case of a man
accused of viciously raping and murdering a Maryland mother of
five after a lengthy investigation that spanned the country. I'm
just wondering how you're getting through eight day? How do
you put your head on the pillow, How do you
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make yourself fall.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Asleep when you wake up in the morning, What makes
you get out of bed?
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Actually I haven't really slept at all in the last
ten months because you just you think about Rachel's life.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
You think about all the details before she was murdered,
and you think, is there any any little detail that
I missed that could help in some way? And so
up until the suspect was apprehended, that's the way my
days were like, literally day and night. Is there anything
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that I missed in her life that could have been helpful?
Speaker 5 (26:56):
There is.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Now a sense of relief where before, to be honest,
I was afraid to go to sleep at night. Not
that I look like my daughter anyway, but I was
just as a woman, I just felt afraid, and I
know our community did as well, especially the women and
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so we've feel the sigh of relief, but now it's
still feeling exhausted.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
And thinking what more can I do to help my daughter?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Chris McDonald joining me veteran law enforcement. I'm thinking about
what Patty Rachel Moren's mom is just saying. I know
there are going to be other crimes to connect him
to the best way, of course, is DNA, and his
DNA has already been entered into the National DNA Data Bank.
But there is also the fingerprint data bank where he
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may not have left DNA or the DNA may not
have been preserved. There's a possibility of a fingerprint match
offer instance, a burglary that turned into an aggravated assault
or rate, a fingerprint on a car, a fingerprint anywhere
that I can connect him to a crime, and also
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a digital fingerprint. Okay, this guy is, as we say now,
a migrant.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
That's what we're saying.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Nobody is saying illegal alien apparently, so we're not going
to track him through his credit card or his Social
Security number.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
That's not happening. But I guarantee you.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
This, I guarantee you he had a top of the
line iPhone or Android.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Okay, this guy is involved with a gang.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
He is in a gang notorious for crime.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'm sure you prosecuted gang cases. I did.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
They're like a pack of animals. Human life means nothing
to them. And I guarantee you he was tricked out
with the best phone to keep in touch with his
gang buddies. All right, that's a way to trace him
where he has been, what he has been doing.
Speaker 15 (29:19):
Yes, No, you are one hundred percent right, Nancy that
if this guy, you know, we first of all, we
have some good information here number one, that he committed
this ferocious crime in El Salvador, and then at some
point he must have crossed, you know, into this country.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
The question is how many times and did they ever
have contact with him? And if so, how does he
make it to La And that gang connection that you're
talking about is probably the most logical connection to this thing,
because that neighborhood where that first attack occurred is in
the seventy seventh division of lap That is one rough neighborhood.
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Let me tell you, I've been there and we've served
many search warrants there, And so how does he blend
into that circumstance? And that gang affiliation is probably the
most likely that would make him a chameleon within that environment,
and why he was hidden for as long as he has.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Joining me is a very special guest. Patty Mooren is
with us. Rachel's mother. Ms. Moran, you are speaking to
thousands and thousands of parents who are suffering, and I
want you, as best as you can to explain what
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you do when you feel overwhelmed by the loss of
your girl.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Honestly, I cry, I cry, and I pray.
Speaker 16 (31:01):
I I know that different people have different religious affiliations,
but I believe in the Lord, and I believe that
God has a plan and a purpose even if we
don't understand it.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
And I believe that God is good and that he
loves me. And so when things are very hard, I
go to the I go to the rock. He's my
solace and I just pray and pour my heart out.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
To him and he comforts me. But then I also
have a close group of friends that have been such a.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Support these last few months, praying for our family, giving
encouraging words. Mister Rice, what an awesome man he is.
He is so good and so kind and so generous,
just really very good supportive people, And so I would
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encourage anyone that's feeling pain from a loss, to get counseling,
to have a support group, a group of friends, maybe
grief share, and just to keep your friends close and
don't be afraid to feel your feelings and to process.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Them because you don't want to be stuck.
Speaker 16 (32:34):
And it's healthy.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Even though it's very, very painful, it's healthy to process them.
And I want to make sure that I'm healthy for
my family, So I'm willing to feel the pain now
so that I'm not stuck and not moving forward from
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my grain children.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
It took less than an hour for a jury to
convict an illegal immigrant, Victor Martinez Hernandez, aged twenty four,
in their murder and rape of a beautiful young mother
of five, Rachel Morin.
Speaker 17 (33:17):
Nancy, if I can jump in here, Victor Martinez Hernandez
will be sentenced in August. On the eleventh, a sentencing
hearing is scheduled, and during the hearing, Morn's family and
friends will have the opportunity to speak on the impact
of Moron's death. Until then, Nancy, the children of Rachel
Morin have filed a lawsuit against their grandmother and aunt.
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The five children ranging in age from nine to nineteen,
claim they've not received any money from the GoFundMe account
started after Moren's death or any other donated money it gifts.
Nearly fifty five thousand dollars was donated for funeral expenses,
and according to the lawsuit, the remaining funds will be
given to Morin's children instead. They claim the money is
in an account controlled by Patty Moran and Rebecca Moran,
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Rachel Moran's mother and sister. The accusations against the two
unjustin Richmond and fraud. Rachel's oldest daughter, nineteen year old
faving Man, who is the executor of her mom's estate,
along with Joseph Custer and Jonathan Alderson, the father of
Rachel's four other surviving children, filed the claim. They request
a quote full accounting of the funds raised and their
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current disposition, and are asking the court to award both
compensatory and punitive damages. A similar lawsuit was dismissed months ago,
but we don't know why.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Our prayers with the Moron family. Goodbye friend,