September 24, 2024 • 40 mins
It took over a year for Virginia police to make a second arrest in connection with the murders of Christine Banfield and Joseph Ryan.
Juliana Peres Magalhães, the au pair caring for Banfield's daughter, faces second-degree murder charges, but only in Joseph Ryan's death. The person indicted in Christine Banfield’s killing is her husband, Brendan Banfield. He faces four counts of aggravated murder and one count of felony firearm use. That day, Banfield told 911 he shot a man who had stabbed his wife.
Investigators say the killings were part of a larger scheme. Peres Magalhães and Brendan Banfield began a romantic relationship in the months leading up to the murders, and allegedly continued the affair afterward. On the day of the murders, Magalhães called 911 to report an emergency.
She hung up during the first call, and more than 10 minutes later, she called again, with Brendan Banfield speaking to the dispatcher. He claimed he shot a man who had stabbed his wife.
According to Peres Magalhães, they found Joseph Ryan holding a knife to Christine Banfield’s throat. She alleged Ryan stabbed Christine Banfield, and Brendan Banfield then shot Ryan. Magalhães also told authorities she fired one shot at Ryan with a second gun.
Prosecutors and police say Brendan Banfield and Juliana Peres Magalhães had been having an affair for months before Christine Banfield and Joseph Ryan were killed.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Brian Foley – Board-certified Criminal Defense Attorney, Former Chief Prosecutor in Harris County, (Houston) Texas; Author: “What Prosecutors Don’t Tell You”; Instagram @brianfoleylawpllc/ YouTube – @brianfoleylawyer/X: @brianpllc
- Courtney Lasky, M.Ed., LBA, BCBA – Board-certified Behavior Analyst, Autism Expert, and Chief Clinical Officer with Little Stars Therapy Services
- Ron Bateman – Sheriff (Former Homicide and Undercover Narcotics) & Author: “Silent Blue Tears: Voice of The Victims;” X: Ronbatemanbooks
- Dr. Jan Gorniak – Medical Examiner, Clark County Office of the Coroner/Medical Examiner (Las Vegas, NV), Board Certified Forensic Pathologist
- Sierra Fox - Anchor/Reporter, Fox 5 Washington DC; @thesierrafox: Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and X
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
The hand that rocked the cradle. It's not just a
movie anymore. Did a glamorous young o pair plot the
murder of her love rat boss's wife? And what about Hubby?
I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime stories. Thank you for
being with us, So let me understand. The glamorous young
(00:29):
o pair, as she is called, leaves to take the baby,
just four years old, to the zoo, and then day
of all days, realizes, oops, I forgot lunch. Okay, so
she goes back and comes upon what a homicide saying?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Fairfax County Police officers responded to a nine to one
to one call from within the home in an upstairs bedroom.
We found Joseph Ryan deceased as a result of gunshot wounds,
and found Christine Banfield suffering from stab wounds. Christine was
transported to a local hospital and pronounced dead. We recovered
(01:08):
rather two firearms and a knife. This morning, at seven
forty nine am, we received a cell phone nine to
one one call that was an open line hang up.
That call was captured and noted, and thirteen minutes later,
at eight oh two am, we received a cell phone
(01:28):
nine one one call from the very same cell phone,
and two persons communicated with our nine one one call
taker At that eight oh two nine one one cell
phone call, the husband and the OU pair communicate with
the nine one one call taker. The husband tells the
nine one one call taker that he just shot a
(01:48):
man inside of his home, and the husband tells the
nine one one call taker that the man who he
had just shot had stabbed his wife.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Okay, whoa, this is so crazy. So the A pair
comes back. She finds this scene. Where did hubby come from?
He is a FED. For Pete's sake, I assume he
was on his way to work a FED, a federal agent.
So they come upon the wife bleeding out. You know,
(02:19):
let me go straight out to investigative reporter and anchor
Sierra Fox. You can find her on Fox five or
find her online at the Sierra Fox. Sierra thank you
for being with us. Let me just understand when the
nanny the O pair gets back to the house to
retrieve the lunches. Number one, did she leave the baby
(02:40):
in the car? Did she bring the baby in?
Speaker 5 (02:42):
She brought the four year old daughter inside and put
her inside the basement while she went upstairs to check
out the scene.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay, wait a minute, whoa who woah, Sierra, how does
she know when she went in to put the baby
in the basement and go upstairs.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I thought she was just going in the kitchen to
pick up lunch.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Exactly as you know, Nancy, this case has a lot
of twists and turns, very confusing and complicated. No idea
why exactly she would bring the four year old daughter
inside when you thought there may be up thereat.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Okay, right there, Hold on, Sierra, wait a minute, it
would be a cold day in h E double l
that this one comes into the house with that mouthful
of red lipstick and takes care of the children. Okay,
call me crazy. Ron Bateman is joining me for mor homicide.
(03:33):
Undercover narcotics agent, author of a crime trilogy, Silent Blue
Tears at Ronbateman Books dot com. But for my purposes
veteran law enforcement look, uh uh and oh, this one
is not gonna be my babysitter, Ron Bateman. Why does
she have to have a mouthful of red lipstick to
(03:54):
take care of the baby? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (03:55):
I wonder who was involved in the interview process to
select this o pair. I'm sure it wasn't the wife.
I'm sure the husband had all the saying in this hiring.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, I can just tell you this, Ron Bateman, uh
uh And okay, call me crazy. I'm sure you already
have Courtney Laski joining US board Certified behavior analyst.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Courtney.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Why does she have to have a mouthfull of red
lipstick to take care of a four year old baby girl?
Speaker 8 (04:28):
You know, I think some would argue it is a
personal preference. Maybe she loves to feel good about herself,
but there's not a need for it.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You're right, this has nothing to do with anything. But
I can guarantee you this.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Brian Foley. Brian Foley is joining US.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
A veteran trial lawyer, former chief prosecutor in Harris County.
That's Texas author of What Prosecutors Don't tell you. I
don't know what you're talking about right there now, Criminal
defense attorney Brian Foley.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Did you see those two pictures? Did you?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (05:01):
Seems like you know, a very attractive young out pair.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Okay, you know, Brian Foley, you seem pretty common about it.
You know, I don't know if your wife would feel
the same way, but let.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Me get off her lipstick.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And her push up bra and her tear drop open
shirt right there and her selfie. Let me get back
to the actual murder. That is why we are here tonight,
Sarah Fox. This is what I want to understand. Siara
Fox is joining me from Fox five DC.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Sierra.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
So, the o pair aka babysitter that lives in your
house comes in and for some reason, she instinctively puts
the four year old baby along downstairs in the basement,
and then she goes upstairs. You told me she just
came back to get the lunch, the sandwiches. But that said,
(05:51):
after she goes upstairs, what does she say?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
She finds well.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
And police arrived on scene.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
She told them that this was an intruder situation, that
there is a break in, and that her and Brendan Banfield,
who is the husband her employer, was inside and acting
in self defense. So before she went inside the home,
when she turned around while she was on her way
to the zoo with the four year old girl, and
she went back because she forgot the lunches. She actually
(06:17):
called the husband telling him that she saw someone outside
walking to the home. So while he was on his
way to work, he drove back to the house and
that's when they both went upstairs and then the bloody scene.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Okay, I think I've got that straight.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Listen, guys, this is Chief Kevin Davis, Fairfax Police.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
The first nine one one call came from me what
we now know to be the O Pair cellphone. That
nine one call was an open mic. Nothing discernible on
that call was a quick hang up. We noted that call.
Thirteen minutes later from the same nine one one, from
the same cell phone, a nine more one call was
made and on the phone was first too Pair communicating
(06:56):
with us, and then she apparently handed the phone to
the husband. The husband the gate with us, and that's
when the husband told us that he shot and killed
a man inside of his home. And that's when the
husband told us that the man who he shot and
killed was stabbing his wife.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Okay, so we don't have just the wife stabbed and
she dies, the mother of the four year old little girl.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
We have this guy that we learn is Joseph Ryan
and he gets shot dead.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
All right, So Sierra Fox joining us Fox five Washington,
this is not just a homicide. This is a double homicide, unless,
of course, that husband really is acting in self defense,
which is a complete defense.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
But we got two dead bodies. Let me just put
it that way. Is that right?
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Two dead bodies? Yep, a double homicide.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Doctor Gorniac is joining us.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
For those of you that don't know her, doctor Gan
Gorniac is a renowned medical examiner who worked in the
Clark County Medical Examiner Office. And that is Vegas translation.
Never a lack of business at the Vegas Morgue, Doctor.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Gorniac, I'm just thinking this through. Number one.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
When you find a female victim who is unclothed, you
can immediately rule out suicide. Statistically, women do not kill
themselves to be found. I think it's instinctive. I'm not
sure about that. I'm not a shrink. I can rule
that out immediately. But let me talk to you about
(08:35):
the number of wounds to this young mom, nurse neck.
I mean, if you want to kill somebody quickly, there
are two ways to do that. One stab them to
the heart and to stab them to the neck the
jugular explain.
Speaker 10 (08:53):
So yes, when you some want to stab to the heart,
obviously that's the main organ that supplies blood to the body.
So when you're losing blood from the heart, blood is
not circulating about the body, so your body's not getting
any oxygen. Major vessels come off of the heart into
the neck, so when you get stabbed in the neck,
major arteries are going to be severed and you're going
(09:16):
to be losing blood from there too. So both areas
when someone is stabbed there are going to lead to
someone hemorrhaging, so they're going to lose a lot of blood,
decreased oxygen to the brain, and leading to death.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I've got a question, other than possibly dottor Gornia, a
stab to the heart or the neck, I guess the
third most lethal stab would be to the federal artery
on the leg.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
What do you think?
Speaker 10 (09:45):
Yes, those are people don't realize that the big artery
got supplied the blood to the legs or the femeral arteries,
and sometimes we can't even tell that. Someone can even
have a gunshot wound, a stab wound and get that
vessel and then once again all that blood is bleeding
inside of the lake and sometimes we're surprised like, Okay,
(10:05):
how do they die? And it's because they got that
artery in the lake. Also common places to be stabbed
is in the chest and the lungs. Could be punctured
and they can bleed out into their chest.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Also, I'm just thinking Ron Bateman and joining me, former
homicide detective and now author, Ron, I'm just thinking about
this lady, this mom minding her own business up in
her bedroom, probably in bed, thinking her daughter, her baby
(10:36):
has gone to the zoo, and that her husband, the fed,
has gone to work, and all of a sudden, all
h double l breaks loose and there she is stabbed
multiple times in the neck.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
That is a horrible way to die.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
Absolutely, you can't defend yourself when you're stabbed in the
kronad artery in your neck. I mean you're just You're
rendered completely useless at that point. So there's no way
she could even take any maneuvers to try to defend herself.
It's a very sad, sad situation for sure.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You know. Another thing is reminding me Brian Foley joining
US veteran try a lawyer out of Texas. It's reminding
me of comparisons. There she is in her nurse outfit.
I believe she was in the nicku ward a pediatric nurse.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Brian Foley.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
This is very similar to the Brian Coburger stabbings. Where
the victims are in bed quasi as sleep some ambulance
I guess, you know, half asleep, half awake, and they
are immediately confronted with a stabber.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Now that's a whole different mentality.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
It's not like a sharp sheeter at a distance where
the person doesn't even seem real. It's like you're shooting
at an arcade duck going by on one of those conveyors.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
It's not real. But stabbing someone and unlike strangling them.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Which is also an up close and personal murder, it
takes a degree viciousness to stab someone, and you've got
to be prepared for immediate blood flow, especially if an
artery such as the carotid artery or the jugular is stabbed.
(12:22):
That's a whole different mindset, Brian Foley, So how would
you in any way minimize that with a jury stabbed
in the net repeatedly, a naked lady up in her bedroom.
Speaker 9 (12:38):
Yeah, I think you know. As a defense attorney, when
you're confronted with a situation like this, you want to
point to the amount of confusion that there is in
something like this. Why is there both a gun and
a knife being involved? If this is all a plot.
We know that the husband is an IRS kremn Ole agent.
(13:00):
He had a gun issued to him by the IRS
that was used in this Why are they doing multiple
different plots? Why are they bringing in this unknown person
Joseph Ryan from you know, Out of Nowhere.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 11 (13:29):
Brendan Banfield finds his wife Christine nude and a man
he doesn't know with a knife to her throat. Banfield
tells the man to put the knife down, but he
starts stabbing the thirty seven year old mother. Brendan Banfield
carries a gun as an IRS special agent, and he
draws his Service Revolver and shoots the man in the head.
The intruder is wounded and down on the ground. Banfield
calls for perezmaghlies and tells the Old Pair to get
(13:51):
his personal gun a clock out of the bathroom safe,
giving her the code. The Old Pair retrieves the glock
and at Bamfield's direction, shoots Joseph Ryan the heart as
he is laying on the ground.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Let me understand what I'm hearing, guys. In the last hours,
a bombshell development in the investigation into the deaths of
two people number one the mother in this case a
local nurse, the mother of a four year old little girl,
Christine Banfeld, stabbed to death, multiple stab ones to the
(14:22):
next also a guy that nobody seemingly knows, a thirty
nine year old guy, Joseph Ryan.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
He's up in the bedroom with the mom.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Why is he there, so Sierra, the husband shot the intruder,
I guess, even though there's no forced entry. But why
did he then go tell the O pair to shoot
Joseph Ryan as well?
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Right now, investigators haven't revealed exactly why Joseph Ryan was
shot twice and why the husband would tell the OA
pair to get his block with the code and then
shoot Ryan again, who is inside the field's home.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Okay, this is what I don't understand, Ron Bateman. Why
did the hubby, the husband and the O pair have
to kill the so called intruder Joseph Ryan, who I
don't think was an intruder.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
But that's putting the cart before the horse. Why do
they have to kill him twice?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So? Am I supposed to believe that the husband shoots Ryan,
who he finds with his wife in the head and
then says, Okay, I've shot him I've got a gun
on him. Now you here's the code. You go get
this other gun, and now you shoot him.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
That's total BS and a time like that, you're not
telling anybody.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Hey, here's the code, one two, three, four pound pound pound,
Now get the gun. No, I mean the chief of police,
the sheriff. His head must have blown off when he
heard that. Why not just shoot the guy twice yourself?
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Yeah, I mean, first off, it was reported that he
was shot in the head by the IRS agent, So
therefore you're most likely dead. You're completely incapacity, for sure.
But he's an investigator and he wants his cohort to
be equally culpable, so he then has her do the
same thing and shoot him, supposedly in the heart. So now,
(16:18):
if I'm going to go down, you're going down too,
So that way they're both called. I think that's the
underlying plan.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Let me see that picture of Joseph Ryan again. He's
petting a little puppy dog. Okay, he looks harmless, but
of course looks can be deceiving. Okay, here's another fly
in the ointment. The double nine to one one call,
I promise you if I'm calling nine one one I'm
not going to hang up and wait thirteen minutes and
(16:44):
call back if there's a nine to one one call,
their darn will better be a nine to one one happening,
So listen to this.
Speaker 11 (16:53):
Christine Banfield is mortally wounded, bleeding profusely as she lays
on the floor in the Banfield bedroom. The man who
had been stabbing her there is Joseph Ryan. He's wounded
when Brendan Banfield shoots him with a service weapon, but
is killed when all paired Juliana Perez Maggalise shoots him
through the heart as he's laying on the floor. Julianna
Perez Moggalise calls nine one one, and after connecting with
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the operator, she hands the phone to Brendan Banfield. This
is the second time that day that Maggales dials nine
to one one. The first she called from the basement,
but she later told police she hung up when she
realizes she has no idea of what's going on upstairs.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Okay, I've found out, Sierra Fox Diggings through some police
docs that the husband told the babysitter to go and
to put the baby in the basement. That's the story,
but here's what I want to understand. Also, Sierra Fox,
Joseph Ryan, who's lying dead on the floor when cops
get there.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
He's shot in the head and the heart. Is that right?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
That's what I read in court documents.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yes, okay, so they didn't think shooting him in the
heart was enough to kill him or the head.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
They had to kill him twice. Also, so the wife
is stabbed.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Multiple times in the neck the juggular vein, and he,
Joseph Ryan, shot in the head and the heart.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Okay, I don't think this guy broke in.
Speaker 12 (18:16):
Listen, on the sexual dating site fed life, a profile
is created using the online name of Anastasian nine. Finding
the Anastasia nine profile for Christine Banfield and communications between
Anastasian nine and Joseph Ryan. Authorities believe someone other than
Christine Banfield set up the profile and it was someone
else that was communicating with Joseph Ryan while pretending Anastasia
(18:38):
nine is Christine Banfield.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Okay, I'm drinking from the fire hydrant right now. Too much,
too fast. Let's just start with the fetish website, all right,
to Sierra Fox joining us Fox five DC, Joseph Ryan
did not break in.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
We know, no forced entry whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Why doesn't anybody have Manny Can's for Pete's sake or
surveillance video so I can figure out what's going on
the peer. And this is the mom and Joseph Ryan,
an unknown male, the one petting the puppy dog. They've
been talking on an adult fetish site. And now we
find out the mom reportedly has a profile there, and
(19:22):
she the mom who works full time as a nurse
and takes care of a four year old baby girl
wants rough sex at home where her husband just left
two minutes before. Okay, Sierra Fox, I can remember when
the twins were four years old.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
The last thing on my mind was going on an.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Adult fetish website and meeting some guy I have never met.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
For rough sex. Okay. I was just trying to get
through the day.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Okay, So explain to me this working mom and nurses
are on their feet day long, taking care of a
million people, from washing their hands and slapping on puil
all day long, to cleaning bed pants, to helping people vomit,
to bringing meds and making sure they take their meds
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and they're fed, and they're this and they're that all
day they have to wear those special shoes because their
legs hurt so much. At the end of the day,
she comes home to the baby and the fed, the
husband with the I R S. No comment there out
a word, and now she wants rough sex. Is that
what I'm supposed to understand?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Sierra Fox Nancy, to your point, this is very, very perplexing.
Fairfax County Police have not released the specific relationship between
Joseph Ryan and Christine Banfield, but sources do confirm they
were a fetish website.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Did you say it's perplexing?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
It is a lot of questions are being raised in
last week at the press comments with Fairfax County Police.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
They do you have children yet?
Speaker 5 (21:01):
I do not know.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Okay, see that's why you have so much energy. Okay,
just wait, just wait, trust me, Sarah. The last thing
is going to be on your mind first thing in
the morning is having rough sex with the guy you
have never met off a fetish website. Now I need
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to understand something.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Back to.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Ron Bateman, Oh good, digital evidence. That's what I want
right now. I want it fast, and I want it now.
Digital evidence. How did this website get set up?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Did this mom?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Do we really know she's set up the website connection
with Joseph Ryan, because if she didn't, I am telling
you for is gonna fly Bateman.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
You know what that part of the investigation is going
to reveal a lot of information, and if you would
like for me to talk about it now. I had
a conversation with Chief Kevin Davis this morning about this case.
I've known Kevin for a long time. He's a great cop,
first and foremost. The case is still ongoing, of course,
so he can't reveal everything, but he assured me that
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they have a very and i'll quote this a very
strong case and he has a lot of forensic evidence
that's very damning.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
The husband was treated at a local hospital for a
minor injury that he told us he had to his leg,
and the husband has elected not to speak to Fairfax
County detectives. The au pair is speaking with Fairfax County Detectives.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
White Man.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
The husband is not charged. She is not accused. He
was present at the home.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Not speak to detectives.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
If someone so much has touched a hair on my
husband's head, I would be lying on the front step
of the police station screaming at the top of my
lungs to get the person that hurt my husband?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Did I just hear Brian Foley?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Is it possible the husband has quote elected not to
speak to Fairfax County detectives after his wife has been
stabbed in the neck repeatedly in her bedroom, button naked,
and he doesn't want to talk to detectives.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Uh uh no, that's not right, Folly.
Speaker 9 (23:27):
Well, you do have the Fifth Amendment right not to
speak to the police if you don't want to, And
he did also shoot somebody just a minute ago.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Why wouldn't you want to speak to police. Why wouldn't
you want to speak to police and tell them how
you came in and this guy's stabbing your wife in
the neck, so you shoot him dead in the head,
But then for some reason get your ou pair with
all the red lipstick to shoot him in the heart too.
That's a whole other can of worms. But why would
he want to take the fifth Folly? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (23:57):
I mean there are so many cans of worms, Like,
for example, if Christine didn't make that dating profile, I
just said, why did she?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
If I say it, you don't say it right after me,
Echo chamber?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
What so if she?
Speaker 9 (24:11):
Uh, if there was confusion in this case, you know,
it comes starting with Christine making this website, and there's
no fourth century, so we know she let this guy
in who would have been a stranger to her, and
the police's theory is that that guy, a stranger, was
recruited by the al pair and the husband.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
To Courtney Laski, now I see why Brian Foley wins
so many cases. He's you know, he's going to go
down with a ship defending this guy and the Courtney
Laski joining US Board Certified Behavior Analysts and you can
find her at Little Star therapy ks dot com.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Courtney, I'm not a shrink.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I'm not a behavioral analyst like you, much less Board
certified behavior analyst. But I know when I smell a rat,
I smell a rat because I find it really hard
to believe that if I had been harmed, stabbed, much less,
then my husband would not tear the whole.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Place down trying to find out what happened.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
And he quote elects not to speak to police about
his dead wife lying naked in the floor. And this
guy is a fed, he works with the irs, he
knows the law, so why wouldn't he speak to police?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Courtney.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
That is one of the most pressing questions that I have.
He is in the criminal division of the IRS. When
we look at behavioral forensics, we first look at all
of the individuals involved and we look at their learning histories.
Mister Banfield has an extensive learning history in crimes and
understanding the legal aspet, how to plan a crime, how
(26:02):
to defend against a crime, how to investigate a crime,
so he would have that knowledge of what he should
and shouldn't do following a serious, serious event that occurred.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
In his home.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Okay, guys, what happens next? Listen to Kevin Davis, Fairfax
County Police cheam.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
On February twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, I stood in
the middle of a cul de sac street in Fairfax
County and describe the deaths of two persons inside of
a residential home. Now, five hundred and seventy days later,
we know the deaths of Joseph Ryan and Christine Banfield
are both in fact murders. I will not describe our victim,
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Joseph Ryan's relationship with anyone involved because this investigation continues,
and like any criminal investigation, our probing of the facts
does not end when an arrest is made. This much
is clear. We have evidence to now allege that Christine
Banfield's life was unlawfully taken and Joseph Ryan's life was
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unlawfully taken.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well, that can only mean one thing.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
When they say that both Joseph Ryan and Christine Banfield
were murdered, that means to me, of course, this will
be determined in a court of law that no one
was acting in self defense. Now to doctor Jan Gorniac,
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renowned medical examiner formerly out of Vegas, Doctor Gorniac, I
don't like this, but I know it to be true.
It's very hard to date or time stab wounds, for instance,
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which stab came first. But in this case, to determine
who stabbed the why Christine Banfield, we could look.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
At the body of Joseph Ryan.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yes, he's been shot in the head and the heart,
both obviously mortal wounds. But wouldn't we be able to,
for instance, look at his hands to see if they
were bloody?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Is he the stabber or is somebody else the stabber?
What would you look for on his person when that
body rolls into your morgue? What would you do?
Speaker 10 (28:35):
It's difficult to determine which one came first, absolutely, because
we don't know what positions the bodies were in when
they were stabbed. So for example, we know that you
are stabbed in the left side of the neck and
the right side of the neck, and we want to
know what hand the perpetrator uses. So she's face down
in they're right handed, she'll have stab wounds on the
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right side of the neck, and if she's they're facing
each other, and the same thing uses the right hand,
that'd be on the left side of her neck. Unfortunately
or fortunately, people just don't stay in one position to
sustain injuries like that. Like you said, it's up close
and personal, so it's not an injury that's going to
be immediately fatal. So you're going to start moving around.
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But it's going to be very difficult to determine. Unless
the perpetrator has injuries on their hand, it's going to
be very difficult to tell who the perpetrator actually actually.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Doctor Gorniac, at first, I thought that this sounded crazy,
but then I started seeing it over and over and
over again, and I realize it's true, and I would
love to have gotten to look at Brian Coberger's hands.
Immediately after the four university students were murdered quasi asleep.
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Very often, even if you are using an knife that
has a hilt, you know, like one of these, your
hand slides down from the handle onto the blade. The
human body puts up a lot of resistance when you stab.
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It's not like stabbing into butter. It's more like stabbing
into a roast beef that's been in the fridge.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
A really long time. Or turkey a turkey, yes, a turkey.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Just stabbing straight in and you meet resistance, and very
often purpse are not prepared for that resistance, and they
stab and their hand slides down the blade and they
get sliced. It's actually very common, especially if you have
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the over overhead stab motion as opposed to the straight
ahead stab motion. Very interesting, it's very interesting the dynamic
of stab wounds.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
That said, that's one thing that.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
We would look for on Ryan's hands, is he even
the stabber?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Also, do you have the victim's blood on Ryan?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Which is going to be really hard to determine because
she's covered in blood. It's a bloody crime scene. She's
been stabbed in the jugular vein. For Pete's sake, he's
been shot twice and somehow you the medical examiner, have
to preserve the clothing, preserve everything you find on the hands,
if anything, because at some point somebody a DNA expert
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is going to want to differentiate between his blood and
her blood.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
That's a tough order, Dr Gorniac.
Speaker 10 (31:42):
As you said, Nancy, there are a lot of variables
when it comes to the stabbing injuries and whether the
perpetrator is going to get injuries on their hands. It's
going to be where they're stabbed, the person is being stabbed,
the type of instrument that they're using. So I hear
you when you talk about the force or the tension
that comes with stabbing somebody. But remember in the neck,
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you're not going to run into resistance until you hit
actually the cervical spine to the vertebrae in the neck,
compared to stabbing somebody in the chest. So therefore it
is like once you get through the skin, depending on
how sharp the instrument is, it is going to slide
through the body like butter. So there may or may
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not be injuries on somebody's somebody's hand, Plus those vessels
in the neck, it's so close to the skin, you
don't have to penetrate the neck that deep. So yes,
we're going to look at the victim's hands, but our
experience because we usually don't have the suspect who did
the stabbing on our table. Also, so this is a
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very unique case. So they might be able to determine
whether or not she was stabbed by the unknown assailant
in her house.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Sierra Fox's joining us Fox five. Is this true?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
And I want to show you a photo. Is it
true that police find the babysitter the O pairs clothes
hanging in the dead mom's closet and a picture of
the O pair and the husband on the bedside table.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Is this real?
Speaker 6 (33:33):
It's real, It's true, and it's absolutely chilling. Police released
a photo of the O pair and the husband together
on the bedside table right next to the bed and
that's the same exact room where these murders happen.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
So very scary.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I'm looking at the photo right now. What is in
the background? Where are they?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Are they going on dates? And they've taken looks like
he's taking a selfie.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Yeah, you can see her arm.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Okay, you know what that that's too much for me
to even take it. WHOA, my goodness, weight the cleavage
is back.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
There she is.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
When I'm showing a photo right now Sierra of them
at a restaurant, happily posing together. Here, it looks like
they're getting somebody else, probably the waiter, to take that picture.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Well, when did this happen?
Speaker 6 (34:24):
No idea when that specific photo appeared. But they have
been in an affair while the pair was living inside
the home at this time. It's not clear Christine knew
about it or not.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Oh my stars, this woman working to support the family
and coming home.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
And these two have been at it like two buddies
all day long.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
So not only do we have confirmation now of what
we suspected, these two we're having a sex affair right
under the dead wife's nose, But it's deeper than that.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Affairs happened every ye day. Do I like it not?
Does it happen? Yes? Does that make the husband a murderer?
Speaker 10 (35:06):
No?
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It doesn't. But wait a minute listen.
Speaker 11 (35:09):
Investigators say, however, they believe it was all a ruse,
that someone else created the profile on the adult fetish
website pretending to be Christine Bamfield. In fact, investigators believe
Ryan's murder was part of an elaborate plan to kill
Christine Banfield so her husband Brendan, and their Brazilian live
in au pair could be together.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
So this is a very elaborate plot, Run Bateman.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
It seems as if Joseph Ryan, who was on the website,
we think the adult fetish website, was lured to the
home by someone pretending to be the mom Christine Banfield
using the profile name Anastasia nine, and he responds to
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what he believes is a request for an encounter for
rough sex.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Okay, do you really.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Believe that this opa put that whole plot together on
her own and the husband knew nothing, Ron.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
Bateman, Okay, So that's where this investigation is really going
to reveal a lot of things. When they start looking
into IP addresses where this was created. It might have
been at his work, or at a friend's house, or
at a hotel room that they rented. That's really going
to reveal a lot of things. And you know, it's
it's pretty common. Number one rule and how to commit
a crime handbook is don't do it with someone else.
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And that's exactly what this guy did. You know, he
had this o pair. He had this this plan. The
plan sucked and his backfired all the big time.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Is that a technical legal term, Yes, it is.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
The plan sucked. Now this gives d I Y a
whole new meaning. These two plotting together and in the
last days another bombshell hobby busted.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Listen.
Speaker 13 (36:54):
Early last year, the double homicide of Christine Banfield and
Joseph Ryan shook our entire community. Today, I'm pleased to
announce that, due to the hard work of police and prosecutors,
the Commonwealth's Attorney's Office has secured an indictment against Brandon
Banfield for the murder of his wife, Christine and the
murder of mister Ryan. Fairfax County Police officers took Brandon
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Banfield in the custody and he's been brought to the
same adult detention center where Juliana Perez Maglis has been
since last year when she was arrested for the murder
of mister Ryan. The great investigative work of the Fairfax
County Police Department led us to new information which was
instrumental in securing today's indictment that charges Brendan Banfield with
aggravated murder and the use of a firearm in the
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commission of a felony?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Was it worth it? Of course, he's innocent until proving
guilty under our constitution. Was it worth it just to
have sex with the babysitter under your wife's nose, because
now the baby girl mom.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Is dad and dad's behind bars awaiting trial. Is it true?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
To Sierra Fox joining us on the case from the
very beginning that in court the husband the fed the
irs agent refused to even state he was married to
Christaine at the time she was killed.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
One of my.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
Flox Life colleagues was in the courtroom and they did
say that he just continued to plead the fifth exercising
his constitutional rate to remain silent to not potentially incriminate himself,
so he did not say anything during that hearing.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Take a listen to.
Speaker 11 (38:27):
Our Forensic Crime online Juliana Perez Magalise. The Banfield family
au pair is charged with the death of Joseph Rime,
but not charged in the death of Christine. Banfield. Police
Chief Kevin Davis says the investigation is ongoing and he
expects to hold more than just one person accountable for
the crimes. Now. Brendan Banfield is charged with four counts
of aggravated murder and use of a firearm in the
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commission of a felony. He's being held without bond.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
So the nanny, the babysitter, Juliana Perez macaliss is the
death of Joseph Ryan.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
But two people were murdered. What about the mom, Sierra Fox,
who's charged in that.
Speaker 6 (39:09):
Well, Brendan Banfield is facing several charges, including four counts
of aggravated murder and use of a firearm and commission
of a felony. And right when we heard this from
the Commonwealth's attorney, we were confused.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Why four counts?
Speaker 6 (39:21):
Well, the reason is very technical and lawyery Nancy, as
a former prosecutor, you probably understand best. But essentially, the
aggravated murder statue in Virginia has multiple options to prove that,
and so when they look at that and plan to
present what they have, prosecutors just wanted to be able
to cover all their bases.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
So the jury had options, I.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Say, charging in the alternative, like charging with murder one
and then charging with felony murder as an alternative murder charge.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
I see what you mean.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
If you know or think you know anything about this case,
no matter how slight LA law enforcement is built a
case now. Please call seven zero three two four six
seven eight hundred repeat seven zero three two four six
seven eight hundred two. People are dead and I want
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to know why.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Good Night friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
The hand that rocked the cradle. It's not just a
movie anymore. Did a glamorous young o pair plot the
murder of her love rat boss's wife? And what about Hubby?
I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime stories. Thank you for
being with us, So let me understand. The glamorous young
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o pair, as she is called, leaves to take the baby,
just four years old, to the zoo, and then day
of all days, realizes, oops, I forgot lunch. Okay, so
she goes back and comes upon what a homicide saying?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Fairfax County Police officers responded to a nine to one
to one call from within the home in an upstairs bedroom.
We found Joseph Ryan deceased as a result of gunshot wounds,
and found Christine Banfield suffering from stab wounds. Christine was
transported to a local hospital and pronounced dead. We recovered
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rather two firearms and a knife. This morning, at seven
forty nine am, we received a cell phone nine to
one one call that was an open line hang up.
That call was captured and noted, and thirteen minutes later,
at eight oh two am, we received a cell phone
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nine one one call from the very same cell phone,
and two persons communicated with our nine one one call
taker At that eight oh two nine one one cell
phone call, the husband and the OU pair communicate with
the nine one one call taker. The husband tells the
nine one one call taker that he just shot a
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man inside of his home, and the husband tells the
nine one one call taker that the man who he
had just shot had stabbed his wife.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Okay, whoa, this is so crazy. So the A pair
comes back. She finds this scene. Where did hubby come from?
He is a FED. For Pete's sake, I assume he
was on his way to work a FED, a federal agent.
So they come upon the wife bleeding out. You know,
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let me go straight out to investigative reporter and anchor
Sierra Fox. You can find her on Fox five or
find her online at the Sierra Fox. Sierra thank you
for being with us. Let me just understand when the
nanny the O pair gets back to the house to
retrieve the lunches. Number one, did she leave the baby
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in the car? Did she bring the baby in?
Speaker 5 (02:42):
She brought the four year old daughter inside and put
her inside the basement while she went upstairs to check
out the scene.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay, wait a minute, whoa who woah, Sierra, how does
she know when she went in to put the baby
in the basement and go upstairs.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I thought she was just going in the kitchen to
pick up lunch.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Exactly as you know, Nancy, this case has a lot
of twists and turns, very confusing and complicated. No idea
why exactly she would bring the four year old daughter
inside when you thought there may be up thereat.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Okay, right there, Hold on, Sierra, wait a minute, it
would be a cold day in h E double l
that this one comes into the house with that mouthful
of red lipstick and takes care of the children. Okay,
call me crazy. Ron Bateman is joining me for mor homicide.
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Undercover narcotics agent, author of a crime trilogy, Silent Blue
Tears at Ronbateman Books dot com. But for my purposes
veteran law enforcement look, uh uh and oh, this one
is not gonna be my babysitter, Ron Bateman. Why does
she have to have a mouthful of red lipstick to
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take care of the baby? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (03:55):
I wonder who was involved in the interview process to
select this o pair. I'm sure it wasn't the wife.
I'm sure the husband had all the saying in this hiring.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, I can just tell you this, Ron Bateman, uh
uh And okay, call me crazy. I'm sure you already
have Courtney Laski joining US board Certified behavior analyst.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Courtney.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Why does she have to have a mouthfull of red
lipstick to take care of a four year old baby girl?
Speaker 8 (04:28):
You know, I think some would argue it is a
personal preference. Maybe she loves to feel good about herself,
but there's not a need for it.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You're right, this has nothing to do with anything. But
I can guarantee you this.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Brian Foley. Brian Foley is joining US.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
A veteran trial lawyer, former chief prosecutor in Harris County.
That's Texas author of What Prosecutors Don't tell you. I
don't know what you're talking about right there now, Criminal
defense attorney Brian Foley.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Did you see those two pictures? Did you?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (05:01):
Seems like you know, a very attractive young out pair.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Okay, you know, Brian Foley, you seem pretty common about it.
You know, I don't know if your wife would feel
the same way, but let.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Me get off her lipstick.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And her push up bra and her tear drop open
shirt right there and her selfie. Let me get back
to the actual murder. That is why we are here tonight,
Sarah Fox. This is what I want to understand. Siara
Fox is joining me from Fox five DC.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Sierra.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
So, the o pair aka babysitter that lives in your
house comes in and for some reason, she instinctively puts
the four year old baby along downstairs in the basement,
and then she goes upstairs. You told me she just
came back to get the lunch, the sandwiches. But that said,
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after she goes upstairs, what does she say?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
She finds well.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
And police arrived on scene.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
She told them that this was an intruder situation, that
there is a break in, and that her and Brendan Banfield,
who is the husband her employer, was inside and acting
in self defense. So before she went inside the home,
when she turned around while she was on her way
to the zoo with the four year old girl, and
she went back because she forgot the lunches. She actually
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called the husband telling him that she saw someone outside
walking to the home. So while he was on his
way to work, he drove back to the house and
that's when they both went upstairs and then the bloody scene.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Okay, I think I've got that straight.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Listen, guys, this is Chief Kevin Davis, Fairfax Police.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
The first nine one one call came from me what
we now know to be the O Pair cellphone. That
nine one call was an open mic. Nothing discernible on
that call was a quick hang up. We noted that call.
Thirteen minutes later from the same nine one one, from
the same cell phone, a nine more one call was
made and on the phone was first too Pair communicating
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with us, and then she apparently handed the phone to
the husband. The husband the gate with us, and that's
when the husband told us that he shot and killed
a man inside of his home. And that's when the
husband told us that the man who he shot and
killed was stabbing his wife.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Okay, so we don't have just the wife stabbed and
she dies, the mother of the four year old little girl.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
We have this guy that we learn is Joseph Ryan
and he gets shot dead.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
All right, So Sierra Fox joining us Fox five Washington,
this is not just a homicide. This is a double homicide, unless,
of course, that husband really is acting in self defense,
which is a complete defense.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
But we got two dead bodies. Let me just put
it that way. Is that right?
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Two dead bodies? Yep, a double homicide.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Doctor Gorniac is joining us.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
For those of you that don't know her, doctor Gan
Gorniac is a renowned medical examiner who worked in the
Clark County Medical Examiner Office. And that is Vegas translation.
Never a lack of business at the Vegas Morgue, Doctor.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Gorniac, I'm just thinking this through. Number one.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
When you find a female victim who is unclothed, you
can immediately rule out suicide. Statistically, women do not kill
themselves to be found. I think it's instinctive. I'm not
sure about that. I'm not a shrink. I can rule
that out immediately. But let me talk to you about
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the number of wounds to this young mom, nurse neck.
I mean, if you want to kill somebody quickly, there
are two ways to do that. One stab them to
the heart and to stab them to the neck the
jugular explain.
Speaker 10 (08:53):
So yes, when you some want to stab to the heart,
obviously that's the main organ that supplies blood to the body.
So when you're losing blood from the heart, blood is
not circulating about the body, so your body's not getting
any oxygen. Major vessels come off of the heart into
the neck, so when you get stabbed in the neck,
major arteries are going to be severed and you're going
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to be losing blood from there too. So both areas
when someone is stabbed there are going to lead to
someone hemorrhaging, so they're going to lose a lot of blood,
decreased oxygen to the brain, and leading to death.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I've got a question, other than possibly dottor Gornia, a
stab to the heart or the neck, I guess the
third most lethal stab would be to the federal artery
on the leg.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
What do you think?
Speaker 10 (09:45):
Yes, those are people don't realize that the big artery
got supplied the blood to the legs or the femeral arteries,
and sometimes we can't even tell that. Someone can even
have a gunshot wound, a stab wound and get that
vessel and then once again all that blood is bleeding
inside of the lake and sometimes we're surprised like, Okay,
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how do they die? And it's because they got that
artery in the lake. Also common places to be stabbed
is in the chest and the lungs. Could be punctured
and they can bleed out into their chest.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Also, I'm just thinking Ron Bateman and joining me, former
homicide detective and now author, Ron, I'm just thinking about
this lady, this mom minding her own business up in
her bedroom, probably in bed, thinking her daughter, her baby
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has gone to the zoo, and that her husband, the fed,
has gone to work, and all of a sudden, all
h double l breaks loose and there she is stabbed
multiple times in the neck.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
That is a horrible way to die.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
Absolutely, you can't defend yourself when you're stabbed in the
kronad artery in your neck. I mean you're just You're
rendered completely useless at that point. So there's no way
she could even take any maneuvers to try to defend herself.
It's a very sad, sad situation for sure.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You know. Another thing is reminding me Brian Foley joining
US veteran try a lawyer out of Texas. It's reminding
me of comparisons. There she is in her nurse outfit.
I believe she was in the nicku ward a pediatric nurse.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Brian Foley.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
This is very similar to the Brian Coburger stabbings. Where
the victims are in bed quasi as sleep some ambulance
I guess, you know, half asleep, half awake, and they
are immediately confronted with a stabber.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Now that's a whole different mentality.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
It's not like a sharp sheeter at a distance where
the person doesn't even seem real. It's like you're shooting
at an arcade duck going by on one of those conveyors.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
It's not real. But stabbing someone and unlike strangling them.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Which is also an up close and personal murder, it
takes a degree viciousness to stab someone, and you've got
to be prepared for immediate blood flow, especially if an
artery such as the carotid artery or the jugular is stabbed.
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That's a whole different mindset, Brian Foley, So how would
you in any way minimize that with a jury stabbed
in the net repeatedly, a naked lady up in her bedroom.
Speaker 9 (12:38):
Yeah, I think you know. As a defense attorney, when
you're confronted with a situation like this, you want to
point to the amount of confusion that there is in
something like this. Why is there both a gun and
a knife being involved? If this is all a plot.
We know that the husband is an IRS kremn Ole agent.
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He had a gun issued to him by the IRS
that was used in this Why are they doing multiple
different plots? Why are they bringing in this unknown person
Joseph Ryan from you know, Out of Nowhere.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 11 (13:29):
Brendan Banfield finds his wife Christine nude and a man
he doesn't know with a knife to her throat. Banfield
tells the man to put the knife down, but he
starts stabbing the thirty seven year old mother. Brendan Banfield
carries a gun as an IRS special agent, and he
draws his Service Revolver and shoots the man in the head.
The intruder is wounded and down on the ground. Banfield
calls for perezmaghlies and tells the Old Pair to get
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his personal gun a clock out of the bathroom safe,
giving her the code. The Old Pair retrieves the glock
and at Bamfield's direction, shoots Joseph Ryan the heart as
he is laying on the ground.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Let me understand what I'm hearing, guys. In the last hours,
a bombshell development in the investigation into the deaths of
two people number one the mother in this case a
local nurse, the mother of a four year old little girl,
Christine Banfeld, stabbed to death, multiple stab ones to the
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next also a guy that nobody seemingly knows, a thirty
nine year old guy, Joseph Ryan.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
He's up in the bedroom with the mom.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Why is he there, so Sierra, the husband shot the intruder,
I guess, even though there's no forced entry. But why
did he then go tell the O pair to shoot
Joseph Ryan as well?
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Right now, investigators haven't revealed exactly why Joseph Ryan was
shot twice and why the husband would tell the OA
pair to get his block with the code and then
shoot Ryan again, who is inside the field's home.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Okay, this is what I don't understand, Ron Bateman. Why
did the hubby, the husband and the O pair have
to kill the so called intruder Joseph Ryan, who I
don't think was an intruder.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
But that's putting the cart before the horse. Why do
they have to kill him twice?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So? Am I supposed to believe that the husband shoots Ryan,
who he finds with his wife in the head and
then says, Okay, I've shot him I've got a gun
on him. Now you here's the code. You go get
this other gun, and now you shoot him.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
That's total BS and a time like that, you're not
telling anybody.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Hey, here's the code, one two, three, four pound pound pound,
Now get the gun. No, I mean the chief of police,
the sheriff. His head must have blown off when he
heard that. Why not just shoot the guy twice yourself?
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Yeah, I mean, first off, it was reported that he
was shot in the head by the IRS agent, So
therefore you're most likely dead. You're completely incapacity, for sure.
But he's an investigator and he wants his cohort to
be equally culpable, so he then has her do the
same thing and shoot him, supposedly in the heart. So now,
(16:18):
if I'm going to go down, you're going down too,
So that way they're both called. I think that's the
underlying plan.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Let me see that picture of Joseph Ryan again. He's
petting a little puppy dog. Okay, he looks harmless, but
of course looks can be deceiving. Okay, here's another fly
in the ointment. The double nine to one one call,
I promise you if I'm calling nine one one I'm
not going to hang up and wait thirteen minutes and
(16:44):
call back if there's a nine to one one call,
their darn will better be a nine to one one happening,
So listen to this.
Speaker 11 (16:53):
Christine Banfield is mortally wounded, bleeding profusely as she lays
on the floor in the Banfield bedroom. The man who
had been stabbing her there is Joseph Ryan. He's wounded
when Brendan Banfield shoots him with a service weapon, but
is killed when all paired Juliana Perez Maggalise shoots him
through the heart as he's laying on the floor. Julianna
Perez Moggalise calls nine one one, and after connecting with
(17:13):
the operator, she hands the phone to Brendan Banfield. This
is the second time that day that Maggales dials nine
to one one. The first she called from the basement,
but she later told police she hung up when she
realizes she has no idea of what's going on upstairs.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Okay, I've found out, Sierra Fox Diggings through some police
docs that the husband told the babysitter to go and
to put the baby in the basement. That's the story,
but here's what I want to understand. Also, Sierra Fox,
Joseph Ryan, who's lying dead on the floor when cops
get there.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
He's shot in the head and the heart. Is that right?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
That's what I read in court documents.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yes, okay, so they didn't think shooting him in the
heart was enough to kill him or the head.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
They had to kill him twice. Also, so the wife
is stabbed.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Multiple times in the neck the juggular vein, and he,
Joseph Ryan, shot in the head and the heart.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Okay, I don't think this guy broke in.
Speaker 12 (18:16):
Listen, on the sexual dating site fed life, a profile
is created using the online name of Anastasian nine. Finding
the Anastasia nine profile for Christine Banfield and communications between
Anastasian nine and Joseph Ryan. Authorities believe someone other than
Christine Banfield set up the profile and it was someone
else that was communicating with Joseph Ryan while pretending Anastasia
(18:38):
nine is Christine Banfield.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Okay, I'm drinking from the fire hydrant right now. Too much,
too fast. Let's just start with the fetish website, all right,
to Sierra Fox joining us Fox five DC, Joseph Ryan
did not break in.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
We know, no forced entry whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Why doesn't anybody have Manny Can's for Pete's sake or
surveillance video so I can figure out what's going on
the peer. And this is the mom and Joseph Ryan,
an unknown male, the one petting the puppy dog. They've
been talking on an adult fetish site. And now we
find out the mom reportedly has a profile there, and
(19:22):
she the mom who works full time as a nurse
and takes care of a four year old baby girl
wants rough sex at home where her husband just left
two minutes before. Okay, Sierra Fox, I can remember when
the twins were four years old.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
The last thing on my mind was going on an.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Adult fetish website and meeting some guy I have never met.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
For rough sex. Okay. I was just trying to get
through the day.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Okay, So explain to me this working mom and nurses
are on their feet day long, taking care of a
million people, from washing their hands and slapping on puil
all day long, to cleaning bed pants, to helping people vomit,
to bringing meds and making sure they take their meds
(20:15):
and they're fed, and they're this and they're that all
day they have to wear those special shoes because their
legs hurt so much. At the end of the day,
she comes home to the baby and the fed, the
husband with the I R S. No comment there out
a word, and now she wants rough sex. Is that
what I'm supposed to understand?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Sierra Fox Nancy, to your point, this is very, very perplexing.
Fairfax County Police have not released the specific relationship between
Joseph Ryan and Christine Banfield, but sources do confirm they
were a fetish website.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Did you say it's perplexing?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
It is a lot of questions are being raised in
last week at the press comments with Fairfax County Police.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
They do you have children yet?
Speaker 5 (21:01):
I do not know.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Okay, see that's why you have so much energy. Okay,
just wait, just wait, trust me, Sarah. The last thing
is going to be on your mind first thing in
the morning is having rough sex with the guy you
have never met off a fetish website. Now I need
(21:23):
to understand something.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Back to.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Ron Bateman, Oh good, digital evidence. That's what I want
right now. I want it fast, and I want it now.
Digital evidence. How did this website get set up?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Did this mom?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Do we really know she's set up the website connection
with Joseph Ryan, because if she didn't, I am telling
you for is gonna fly Bateman.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
You know what that part of the investigation is going
to reveal a lot of information, and if you would
like for me to talk about it now. I had
a conversation with Chief Kevin Davis this morning about this case.
I've known Kevin for a long time. He's a great cop,
first and foremost. The case is still ongoing, of course,
so he can't reveal everything, but he assured me that
(22:13):
they have a very and i'll quote this a very
strong case and he has a lot of forensic evidence
that's very damning.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
The husband was treated at a local hospital for a
minor injury that he told us he had to his leg,
and the husband has elected not to speak to Fairfax
County detectives. The au pair is speaking with Fairfax County Detectives.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
White Man.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
The husband is not charged. She is not accused. He
was present at the home.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Not speak to detectives.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
If someone so much has touched a hair on my
husband's head, I would be lying on the front step
of the police station screaming at the top of my
lungs to get the person that hurt my husband?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Did I just hear Brian Foley?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Is it possible the husband has quote elected not to
speak to Fairfax County detectives after his wife has been
stabbed in the neck repeatedly in her bedroom, button naked,
and he doesn't want to talk to detectives.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Uh uh no, that's not right, Folly.
Speaker 9 (23:27):
Well, you do have the Fifth Amendment right not to
speak to the police if you don't want to, And
he did also shoot somebody just a minute ago.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Why wouldn't you want to speak to police. Why wouldn't
you want to speak to police and tell them how
you came in and this guy's stabbing your wife in
the neck, so you shoot him dead in the head,
But then for some reason get your ou pair with
all the red lipstick to shoot him in the heart too.
That's a whole other can of worms. But why would
he want to take the fifth Folly? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (23:57):
I mean there are so many cans of worms, Like,
for example, if Christine didn't make that dating profile, I
just said, why did she?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
If I say it, you don't say it right after me,
Echo chamber?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
What so if she?
Speaker 9 (24:11):
Uh, if there was confusion in this case, you know,
it comes starting with Christine making this website, and there's
no fourth century, so we know she let this guy
in who would have been a stranger to her, and
the police's theory is that that guy, a stranger, was
recruited by the al pair and the husband.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
To Courtney Laski, now I see why Brian Foley wins
so many cases. He's you know, he's going to go
down with a ship defending this guy and the Courtney
Laski joining US Board Certified Behavior Analysts and you can
find her at Little Star therapy ks dot com.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Courtney, I'm not a shrink.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I'm not a behavioral analyst like you, much less Board
certified behavior analyst. But I know when I smell a rat,
I smell a rat because I find it really hard
to believe that if I had been harmed, stabbed, much less,
then my husband would not tear the whole.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Place down trying to find out what happened.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
And he quote elects not to speak to police about
his dead wife lying naked in the floor. And this
guy is a fed, he works with the irs, he
knows the law, so why wouldn't he speak to police?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Courtney.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
That is one of the most pressing questions that I have.
He is in the criminal division of the IRS. When
we look at behavioral forensics, we first look at all
of the individuals involved and we look at their learning histories.
Mister Banfield has an extensive learning history in crimes and
understanding the legal aspet, how to plan a crime, how
(26:02):
to defend against a crime, how to investigate a crime,
so he would have that knowledge of what he should
and shouldn't do following a serious, serious event that occurred.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
In his home.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Okay, guys, what happens next? Listen to Kevin Davis, Fairfax
County Police cheam.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
On February twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, I stood in
the middle of a cul de sac street in Fairfax
County and describe the deaths of two persons inside of
a residential home. Now, five hundred and seventy days later,
we know the deaths of Joseph Ryan and Christine Banfield
are both in fact murders. I will not describe our victim,
(26:43):
Joseph Ryan's relationship with anyone involved because this investigation continues,
and like any criminal investigation, our probing of the facts
does not end when an arrest is made. This much
is clear. We have evidence to now allege that Christine
Banfield's life was unlawfully taken and Joseph Ryan's life was
(27:07):
unlawfully taken.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well, that can only mean one thing.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
When they say that both Joseph Ryan and Christine Banfield
were murdered, that means to me, of course, this will
be determined in a court of law that no one
was acting in self defense. Now to doctor Jan Gorniac,
(27:31):
renowned medical examiner formerly out of Vegas, Doctor Gorniac, I
don't like this, but I know it to be true.
It's very hard to date or time stab wounds, for instance,
(27:51):
which stab came first. But in this case, to determine
who stabbed the why Christine Banfield, we could look.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
At the body of Joseph Ryan.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yes, he's been shot in the head and the heart,
both obviously mortal wounds. But wouldn't we be able to,
for instance, look at his hands to see if they
were bloody?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Is he the stabber or is somebody else the stabber?
What would you look for on his person when that
body rolls into your morgue? What would you do?
Speaker 10 (28:35):
It's difficult to determine which one came first, absolutely, because
we don't know what positions the bodies were in when
they were stabbed. So for example, we know that you
are stabbed in the left side of the neck and
the right side of the neck, and we want to
know what hand the perpetrator uses. So she's face down
in they're right handed, she'll have stab wounds on the
(28:56):
right side of the neck, and if she's they're facing
each other, and the same thing uses the right hand,
that'd be on the left side of her neck. Unfortunately
or fortunately, people just don't stay in one position to
sustain injuries like that. Like you said, it's up close
and personal, so it's not an injury that's going to
be immediately fatal. So you're going to start moving around.
(29:20):
But it's going to be very difficult to determine. Unless
the perpetrator has injuries on their hand, it's going to
be very difficult to tell who the perpetrator actually actually.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Doctor Gorniac, at first, I thought that this sounded crazy,
but then I started seeing it over and over and
over again, and I realize it's true, and I would
love to have gotten to look at Brian Coberger's hands.
Immediately after the four university students were murdered quasi asleep.
(29:56):
Very often, even if you are using an knife that
has a hilt, you know, like one of these, your
hand slides down from the handle onto the blade. The
human body puts up a lot of resistance when you stab.
(30:17):
It's not like stabbing into butter. It's more like stabbing
into a roast beef that's been in the fridge.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
A really long time. Or turkey a turkey, yes, a turkey.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Just stabbing straight in and you meet resistance, and very
often purpse are not prepared for that resistance, and they
stab and their hand slides down the blade and they
get sliced. It's actually very common, especially if you have
(30:48):
the over overhead stab motion as opposed to the straight
ahead stab motion. Very interesting, it's very interesting the dynamic
of stab wounds.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
That said, that's one thing that.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
We would look for on Ryan's hands, is he even
the stabber?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Also, do you have the victim's blood on Ryan?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Which is going to be really hard to determine because
she's covered in blood. It's a bloody crime scene. She's
been stabbed in the jugular vein. For Pete's sake, he's
been shot twice and somehow you the medical examiner, have
to preserve the clothing, preserve everything you find on the hands,
if anything, because at some point somebody a DNA expert
(31:34):
is going to want to differentiate between his blood and
her blood.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
That's a tough order, Dr Gorniac.
Speaker 10 (31:42):
As you said, Nancy, there are a lot of variables
when it comes to the stabbing injuries and whether the
perpetrator is going to get injuries on their hands. It's
going to be where they're stabbed, the person is being stabbed,
the type of instrument that they're using. So I hear
you when you talk about the force or the tension
that comes with stabbing somebody. But remember in the neck,
(32:05):
you're not going to run into resistance until you hit
actually the cervical spine to the vertebrae in the neck,
compared to stabbing somebody in the chest. So therefore it
is like once you get through the skin, depending on
how sharp the instrument is, it is going to slide
through the body like butter. So there may or may
(32:25):
not be injuries on somebody's somebody's hand, Plus those vessels
in the neck, it's so close to the skin, you
don't have to penetrate the neck that deep. So yes,
we're going to look at the victim's hands, but our
experience because we usually don't have the suspect who did
the stabbing on our table. Also, so this is a
(32:48):
very unique case. So they might be able to determine
whether or not she was stabbed by the unknown assailant
in her house.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Sierra Fox's joining us Fox five. Is this true?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
And I want to show you a photo. Is it
true that police find the babysitter the O pairs clothes
hanging in the dead mom's closet and a picture of
the O pair and the husband on the bedside table.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Is this real?
Speaker 6 (33:33):
It's real, It's true, and it's absolutely chilling. Police released
a photo of the O pair and the husband together
on the bedside table right next to the bed and
that's the same exact room where these murders happen.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
So very scary.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I'm looking at the photo right now. What is in
the background? Where are they?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Are they going on dates? And they've taken looks like
he's taking a selfie.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Yeah, you can see her arm.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Okay, you know what that that's too much for me
to even take it. WHOA, my goodness, weight the cleavage
is back.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
There she is.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
When I'm showing a photo right now Sierra of them
at a restaurant, happily posing together. Here, it looks like
they're getting somebody else, probably the waiter, to take that picture.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Well, when did this happen?
Speaker 6 (34:24):
No idea when that specific photo appeared. But they have
been in an affair while the pair was living inside
the home at this time. It's not clear Christine knew
about it or not.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Oh my stars, this woman working to support the family
and coming home.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
And these two have been at it like two buddies
all day long.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
So not only do we have confirmation now of what
we suspected, these two we're having a sex affair right
under the dead wife's nose, But it's deeper than that.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Affairs happened every ye day. Do I like it not?
Does it happen? Yes? Does that make the husband a murderer?
Speaker 10 (35:06):
No?
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It doesn't. But wait a minute listen.
Speaker 11 (35:09):
Investigators say, however, they believe it was all a ruse,
that someone else created the profile on the adult fetish
website pretending to be Christine Bamfield. In fact, investigators believe
Ryan's murder was part of an elaborate plan to kill
Christine Banfield so her husband Brendan, and their Brazilian live
in au pair could be together.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
So this is a very elaborate plot, Run Bateman.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
It seems as if Joseph Ryan, who was on the website,
we think the adult fetish website, was lured to the
home by someone pretending to be the mom Christine Banfield
using the profile name Anastasia nine, and he responds to
(35:51):
what he believes is a request for an encounter for
rough sex.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Okay, do you really.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Believe that this opa put that whole plot together on
her own and the husband knew nothing, Ron.
Speaker 7 (36:06):
Bateman, Okay, So that's where this investigation is really going
to reveal a lot of things. When they start looking
into IP addresses where this was created. It might have
been at his work, or at a friend's house, or
at a hotel room that they rented. That's really going
to reveal a lot of things. And you know, it's
it's pretty common. Number one rule and how to commit
a crime handbook is don't do it with someone else.
(36:29):
And that's exactly what this guy did. You know, he
had this o pair. He had this this plan. The
plan sucked and his backfired all the big time.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Is that a technical legal term, Yes, it is.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
The plan sucked. Now this gives d I Y a
whole new meaning. These two plotting together and in the
last days another bombshell hobby busted.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Listen.
Speaker 13 (36:54):
Early last year, the double homicide of Christine Banfield and
Joseph Ryan shook our entire community. Today, I'm pleased to
announce that, due to the hard work of police and prosecutors,
the Commonwealth's Attorney's Office has secured an indictment against Brandon
Banfield for the murder of his wife, Christine and the
murder of mister Ryan. Fairfax County Police officers took Brandon
(37:15):
Banfield in the custody and he's been brought to the
same adult detention center where Juliana Perez Maglis has been
since last year when she was arrested for the murder
of mister Ryan. The great investigative work of the Fairfax
County Police Department led us to new information which was
instrumental in securing today's indictment that charges Brendan Banfield with
aggravated murder and the use of a firearm in the
(37:36):
commission of a felony?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Was it worth it? Of course, he's innocent until proving
guilty under our constitution. Was it worth it just to
have sex with the babysitter under your wife's nose, because
now the baby girl mom.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Is dad and dad's behind bars awaiting trial. Is it true?
Speaker 2 (37:58):
To Sierra Fox joining us on the case from the
very beginning that in court the husband the fed the
irs agent refused to even state he was married to
Christaine at the time she was killed.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
One of my.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
Flox Life colleagues was in the courtroom and they did
say that he just continued to plead the fifth exercising
his constitutional rate to remain silent to not potentially incriminate himself,
so he did not say anything during that hearing.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Take a listen to.
Speaker 11 (38:27):
Our Forensic Crime online Juliana Perez Magalise. The Banfield family
au pair is charged with the death of Joseph Rime,
but not charged in the death of Christine. Banfield. Police
Chief Kevin Davis says the investigation is ongoing and he
expects to hold more than just one person accountable for
the crimes. Now. Brendan Banfield is charged with four counts
of aggravated murder and use of a firearm in the
(38:50):
commission of a felony. He's being held without bond.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
So the nanny, the babysitter, Juliana Perez macaliss is the
death of Joseph Ryan.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
But two people were murdered. What about the mom, Sierra Fox,
who's charged in that.
Speaker 6 (39:09):
Well, Brendan Banfield is facing several charges, including four counts
of aggravated murder and use of a firearm and commission
of a felony. And right when we heard this from
the Commonwealth's attorney, we were confused.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Why four counts?
Speaker 6 (39:21):
Well, the reason is very technical and lawyery Nancy, as
a former prosecutor, you probably understand best. But essentially, the
aggravated murder statue in Virginia has multiple options to prove that,
and so when they look at that and plan to
present what they have, prosecutors just wanted to be able
to cover all their bases.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
So the jury had options, I.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Say, charging in the alternative, like charging with murder one
and then charging with felony murder as an alternative murder charge.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
I see what you mean.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
If you know or think you know anything about this case,
no matter how slight LA law enforcement is built a
case now. Please call seven zero three two four six
seven eight hundred repeat seven zero three two four six
seven eight hundred two. People are dead and I want
(40:15):
to know why.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
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