December 20, 2023 • 41 mins
A shocked courtroom heard Derek Rosa tell police he stabbed his mother to death in her sleep as his baby sister slept next to her in the bed.
After hearing the teen's taped confession, Miami Dade Circuit Judge Richard Hersch rejected a defense motion to move Rosa out of the adult jail and into a juvenile facility. The defense says it is unconstitutional to keep Rosa in an adult cell, claiming he is being kept in unsustainable conditions and is only allowed outside the cell for 20 hours a week.
After rejecting the motion, the judge orders Rosa to be held in the Miami-Dade Metro West Detention Center until his unscheduled trial begins.
Reportedly, the night Derek Rosa stabs his mother to death, he makes six Google searches including,
- “What is the best place to stab someone?” "
- "Is a small knife good for killing?” “
- "Is it easier to kill someone with a small knife?”
- “Can a knife cut through bone?”
He also searched for an image of The Carotid Artery diagram. The DailyMail reports the last search made that night was to inquire about a machine gun.
Derek Rosa claims in a police interview that his stepfather owns two guns and he planned to shoot himself after the stabbing but didn't go through with it.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Matthew Mangino – Attorney, Former District Attorney (Lawrence County); Author: “The Executioner’s Toll: The Crimes, Arrests, Trials, Appeals, Last Meals, Final Words and Executions of 46 Persons in the United States;” Twitter: @MatthewTMangino
- Caryn L. Stark – NYC Psychologist, Trauma and Crime Expert; Twitter: @carynpsych, Facebook: “Caryn Stark”
- Pat Diaz – Former Miami Dade Police Homicide Detective, Private Investigator in South Florida
- Dr. Kendall Crowns – Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth) and Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School
- Alexis Tereszcuk – CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter, Writer/Fact Checker at Lead Stories; Twitter: @swimmie2009
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Straight A's honor student played sports everything loving son big brother.
In the last hours, we learn thirteen year old Derrick
Rosa has confessed to murdering his mother as she's lying
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by a sleep right beside her her new infant baby girl.
Not only do we learn about a confession, we have
obtained that confession to play for you, and at the
(00:59):
same time time we learn that just emerging is nanny
cam video of the room where the mom is murdered
and him hovering over his sleeping mother. I'm Nancy Grace.
(01:20):
This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.
I want you to take a listen and come through
this statement by the honor student son, Derek Rosa. Let's
hear it.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
From yours.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
He's a friend. Okay three years.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Did you hear that? He couldn't bring himself to say
I killed her until the detective said it's okay, you
can say it, and he said I killed her. I
killed her. Wow. Alexis Tereschuk joining me Crime Online dot
Com investigative reporter Alexis Terrestchuk. It's really hard to take
(02:52):
in what we're hearing you have a son like I do.
I have a son and daughter and they're honor students,
and they really were some wood for me to not
con so far have not given me a minute of
trouble like your sweet boy, and then out of the
blue this aban behavior. But what can you tell me
(03:16):
about this confession? And it is a confession.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
So Derek Grossa actually called nine to one one himself
the night of October twelfth, about eleven thirty at night,
called the police himself. He said, come, I have killed
my mom. The police take him to the police station.
They talk with him. They say what happened, and his
explanation is, I woke up, I grabbed one of the
(03:42):
kitchen knives and I went to her room and then
he stops, but he doesn't stop forever. The police officer says,
it's okay, you can talk to me, and he says,
I killed her. He fully confessed to killing his mom.
He didn't say why, but he is he in fact
pictures of himself immediately after he killed her.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I want to follow up on something Alexis Tereshchuk has
just told us joining me an All Star panel. But
in addition to Alexis Terestschuk. Pat Diaz is with us
out of the Florida jurisdiction as well. Former Miami Day
Police homicide detective now private investigator, and you can find
him at South FLPI, South Florida PI dot com, South
(04:26):
FLPI dot com. Pat, thank you for being with us.
You have to take special precautions when you are interviewing
as a cop a juvenile, explain.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Absolutely in these types of cases, and that many investigators
get that opportunity. When you have a juvenile to interview,
you got to make sure that he's able of sound mind,
which means he's understanding how to read, how to write,
which processes and in order to move on. Otherwise, if
(05:00):
he's in the daze, then you have nothing. And in
this case that the homicide detectives did a great job
talking to him and actually getting him to talk, So
kudos to them, because in court, the confession is going
to be a major issue that the defense will try
to try to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You're right, Pat Diz, is there a number one goal
at trial they're going to try to have this confession
thrown out. And when it comes to minors making a confession,
it also came to the forefront in the Teresa Hallback murder.
Who is that? That is the young photographer that was
murdered by the star of making a murderer, remember that
(05:44):
Stephen Avery, and it was portrayed that he was innocent,
that Avery had been framed. Also along for the ride
was his young relative, Brendan Dacy. In Dacy's case, there
was permission to interview Dasy, a then teen, and as
(06:06):
much as everyone argued, well, Dassy didn't have the wherewithal
to make this statement, that's a double edged sword because
what it also means is he didn't have the wherewithal
to create a fabricated statement with this much detail in
(06:26):
which he admitted to raping Teresa Hallback and that his
uncle murdered her, Stephen Avery. That was an example of
a teen statement coming to the forefront of the news.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
Listen as the you know, the thing is, you know,
the court is going to have to scrutinize whether or
not Derek Rosa voluntarily spoke to the police and whether
he was properly mirandized. Because a juvenile there's heightened responsibilities
(07:04):
with regard to law enforcement in terms of mirandizing making
sure they understand contacting parents, and this is a thirteen
year old boy, and of course he's accused of killing
his mother, So that's going to make it even a
little more convoluted in terms of was anybody contacted on
his behalf before they spoke with him, and did he
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waive his Miranda rights? And did he understand and completely
voluntarily make the statement? So those are all issues that
the court is going to have to scrutinize with regard
to his statement.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
You are hearing high profile lawyer Matthew Mangino joining us
out of the Pennsylvania jurisdiction. He has prosecuted juveniles and
defended juveniles, his former district attorney and author of the
Executioner's Toll. Listen to this the crimes, arrest, trials, appeals
and last meals, final words and executions people in the US.
(08:01):
Let's listen to more why this statement is so important
to the prosecution. Take a listen. Now, this is important
(08:26):
what you just heard because here the honor student, thirteen
year old Derrick Rosa, is explaining about the knife. He says,
it's a big seven inch knife with a purple handle.
My mom was sleeping. He's fully cognizant of all the
facts surrounding the murder of his own mother. His mom
(08:49):
had just given birth to the baby's sister, and in
the nanacam video you see him hovering around the mom
and around the baby sister, who's sleeping in the same
room with the mom, listened to more.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
He's a friend.
Speaker 8 (09:19):
Okay, hold.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Three years your job.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Okay, let me understand what I'm just hearing. Un Like,
says Terrestri joining US Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
He called his friends explain and and I'm hearing where
are the friends? And they are in Sweden.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
These are friends that he's met online. So these are
not schoolmates, These are not kids that he hangs out
with after school. These are kids that he's met online
and are friends that he's met online. So he he
messages them afterwards, he sends three pictures. He shows them.
In fact, there his hands held up and there's blood
dropping on his hands. So he is bragging about this
(10:11):
crime immediately after committing it. I killed my mom. Look
here's the bloody proof of it.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Time stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Let me go to Karen Start, joining us renounced psychologist
TV radio trumpa expert at karenstart dot com Karen with
a C. Karen. It's one thing if he's calling the
friend or texting the friend and saying, oh my stars,
I've done this horrible thing. What am I going to do?
(10:56):
Or I can't believe I did this? But according to
Alexis Terreschuk, he's kind of bragging.
Speaker 9 (11:01):
He's not just bragging, Nancy. He sticks out his tongue,
he's smiling. He was actually excited about what he did.
So this this boy is a very very confused adolescent.
He absolutely doesn't understand how awful his crime is, as
far as I could tell, because he's laughing and excited
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and showing the blood.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Laughing and excited and showing the blood, Alexis Eschak, Is
that true?
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Yes, it's absolutely true. He's showing off the blood on
his hands. Because he stabbed his mom. He was very
close to her. He didn't shoot her, he was right
next to her. And in fact, he had been searching
online for the places and the best places to stop
where we cause the most harm. So this is something
that he had been looking up prior to killing his mom.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Alexis to Reesschach, you're just a fountain of information, aren't you?
And none of it good? Well, I guess it's good
if you're looking at at the probative mat the probative
nature of it, like what does it prove? But it's
very disheartening. Alexis Teresha as a mom of a young
teen very similar to Derrick rosa honor student, sweet natured, mild, timid,
(12:18):
seemingly but suddenly out of the blue. I don't know
what to make of that.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
And he went to a good school, there was there
were never any complaints. He seemed very excited. His mom
was having a baby. The baby was only two weeks old,
a little sister. He had posed for pictures with his
stepdad and with his mom when she was pregnant, really
all in pink polo shirts showing off outside of they
(12:44):
were about the baby. There were no signs they had
if I'm nothing at school, nobody had ever said that
he was in trouble, No fights with friends, no fights
with the parents' cps, hadn't been called to the home.
Completely to everybody outside of it, out of.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
The blue, Karen, you were jumping in, Karen Stark.
Speaker 9 (13:02):
Yeah, I wanted to add, and we've heard this kind
of steps before, but not from a young adolescent. That
he said that he wanted to shoot himself afterwards, that
he wanted to kill himself.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But he didn't. And speaking of those Google searches, take
a listen to this.
Speaker 10 (13:20):
The night Derek Rosa allegedly stabs his mother to death,
he makes six Google searches that include, what is the
best place to stab someone? Is a small knife good
for killing? Is it easier to kill someone with a
small knife? Can a knife cut through bone? And a
request for a diagram of the cardioid artery. The Daily
Mail reports the last search made that night was to
(13:41):
inquire about a machine gun.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I mean he's looking up the carotid artery. Doctor Kendall
Crown's joining US Chief Medical Examiner, joining US out of
Terran County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer University, Texas Austin and
TCU Texas Christian University Medical School, Doctor Kendall Crown. I
don't know how you do it all. How many autopsies
(14:04):
do you think you have performed in life?
Speaker 11 (14:08):
Probably close to around ten thousand.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You know, when people ask me how many cases I've handled,
and I say around ten thousand, It doesn't seem real,
but when you look back, it Israel because I would
get one hundred new cases a week from the grand
jury at least, or even if you wanted to go
(14:31):
by a month, and you do that every month for
ten years, yes, that's a lot. Same with you. You
don't count them as they're happening, but you look back
and realize, wow, that's a lot of autopsies. And in
your experience, could you explain is there any way to
(14:55):
recover when someone has their carotid artery severed? To start?
What is the kartid artery?
Speaker 11 (15:02):
So the karated artery is a vessel in your neck
that is taking blood from your heart to your brain basically,
and you have two of them, one on either side
of your neck, and they're they're pretty good size. They're
about the bigger round as a as a ballpoint pen diameter, so,
and they sit right underneath the muscles on either side
(15:24):
of your neck, so they're really close to the surface.
So when you get your crotid artery cut, you usually
can bleed out in a matter of minutes.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
How many minutes, I'd say, wonder for and question. We've
all seen movies. I've actually seen a victim whose crotit
artery had been sliced, but it was postmarm after death.
Is this the kind of wound Basically there's no coming
(15:56):
back from that. But as it does, is the wound
pulse with the beating of the heart.
Speaker 11 (16:04):
Yes, so it's an argy, so it's had the pressurized
blood is still there, so it will spurt and shoot
blood out of it. You can try and close it
off because you have a second one. It'll still get
blood to the brain, so you can pinch it off
and you can still be saved, but you have to
get immediate Michael treatment. A good example is there was
(16:24):
a hockey player recently got his next plice by a
skate and he died even though he had help right away.
So it's a significant vessel to get cut and you
need help immediately. And even if you get help immediately,
they can't only save you.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And the reason I'm asking about the pulsing nature of
the bleeding is because the boy in this case, thirteen
year old honor suit A derreck Rosa, was literally covered
in blood. It was an extremely bloody crime scene. Is
that why doctor cram It's part of it.
Speaker 11 (17:01):
I mean, she would be the blood would be spurting out.
It would be getting all over her, all over the plate,
even on him, and if he continues to stabber, it
would be getting on him as he continued to stab her,
and then whatever else he's stabbing would also bleed on
him as well.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Okay, let's hear more of what we've recently obtained, the
actual confession given by this teen honor student.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Listen, did you the home?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And Okay, I want to talk about his demeanor as
(18:16):
he's relaying killing his mom. I mean, Karen Stark, I
think I need a trauma expert right now, because when
I think back about when my dad passed away, or
when my fiance Keith was murdered, even now, I typically
don't like talking about it. I don't like when people
(18:38):
bring it up, especially unexpectedly, But if I allow myself
to think about it, it's still very, very upsetting. And
this honor student is talking very methodically and stoically. He
doesn't seem upset at all.
Speaker 9 (18:58):
Nancy, Well, you had just gribing what you feel or
I feel having lost the dad. We're having feelings, right, emotions,
but now we're talking about someone who's disassociated, which means
that he's separated from his feelings. He's he's not in
touch with any emotional response, and it's really hard to
(19:23):
understand what's going on with this boyd because of that.
It's confusing because he doesn't seem to he's laughing afterwards,
he doesn't seem to be having any kind of an
emotional response, like he's cut off. And usually that happens
with somebody who has a criminal mentality, who has no feelings,
(19:46):
no conscience, and doesn't understand what they did.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Oh well, well, well, whoa, whoa, whoa? Wait a minute,
right there, when you say the words doesn't understand what
they did, you're triggering all sorts of legal alarm bells
in my mind because I know someone doesn't understand what
they did, translation doesn't understand right from wrong. That is
a legal definition of insanity. This kid is not insane.
(20:13):
He's not insane.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
He's not insane, but he's cut off from I don't
believe that he gets he grasped the full extent of
what happened, until it seems like now he doesn't want
to ye, well, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Either, that's you putting your layer of interpretation on him.
He doesn't understand he took the pictures covered in blood
and sent them to two of his friends online. He
understands he killed his mom. She's dead, she's not coming back.
And as a matter of fact, I want to hear
a little bit more of what he said. Listen, our
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cut twenty one. We're still hearing the recently obtained confession
by the thirteen year old honor student who stabs his
mom dead. She's lying next to her infant baby girl. Listen,
I'll let's get back to your mom.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (21:03):
He said she was sleeving.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Okay, where exactly did.
Speaker 13 (21:06):
You cover her?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
At the first side?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Coming best shot undernet?
Speaker 14 (21:13):
This is the name La was hearing every year. Noble says,
O your step here, tell you know.
Speaker 15 (21:20):
That that's called the pareor something in her?
Speaker 9 (21:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (21:23):
Okay, And and you heard Sally went with her when
you after sign then like okay, was there a lot
of blood after her?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Was there? He thought of blood affordance?
Speaker 9 (21:37):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Did you tell her anything before you sat?
Speaker 10 (21:43):
Did you say anything?
Speaker 9 (21:44):
Answer?
Speaker 14 (21:44):
Dress or the Sanish curs bass. But she didn't wink
up when you She was asleeping. She was asleep when
you saw Yes, and then she will go after seven.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Time Stories with Nancy Grace, and.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
She did.
Speaker 16 (22:16):
She was.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Okay, let me understand what I'm hearing. Alexis Tereschak joining
us from crime online dot Com. He's saying that he
said a curse word to his mom in Spanish. It
was merrikan, which is a homosexual slur. To my understanding,
(22:43):
that's what he said. Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yes, It's just it's mind modeling that this child says
that he said this bad thing to her and then
he stabs her forty eight times while she's sleeping, and
I feel like it's it's I'm an important point out
that she was fully asleep in her bed and really
didn't even fight back, because this was so quick and
(23:06):
so violent. Because within he was right at eleven as
the nanny hammer or the baby monitor cam shows that
it was set up to look in the crib, which
was right next to the bed, and he is shown
there at eleven o'clock, and then thirty minutes later, he's
already sent messages to his friends and he's already called
(23:26):
the police. This was super fast.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
She was not awake.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
She really didn't even fight back against this because he
was so strong and he's not a big kid. He's
still like a young queen. He's so young and not
a big, hulking child or anything like Baddy skinny give
me arms, and yet managed to do all of this.
But yes, he says that he said something, he called
her a bad word in Spanish.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, I don't even understand the contexts? Is that, Matthew
Manena jump in.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
Yes, so it's Nancy. I mean, obviously you know this
is a crime of rage, know how this slur works
into this the overall intent here. But you know, to
stab somebody, your mother forty eight times, you're really, you know, enraged,
I mean you're wanting to.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Do Man, what is that supposed to mean to me?
That he's enraged? That's not a defense. So I don't care.
You can't say, oh, I did it but I was
angry angry, It's not a defense.
Speaker 17 (24:25):
Matthew Mangino, Well, I'd like to know why a thirteen
year old boy would would make a homosexual slur toward
his mother in staber forty eight times.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, I'd like to know too, But unless it rises
to insanity, it doesn't change the outcome of these facts.
If he's legally insane, then he should not go to jail.
Absolutely not. If he's not, then he should.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Yeah, but he's thirteen years old, and Nancy, and in Florida,
you know, unless the grand jury indicate you would happen here,
you can't even charge a a fourteen year old, you know,
with with murder. I mean you know, I mean a
thirteen year old, you know, under the age of fourteen.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yes, it's going to have to be a grand jury indictment.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
And it was so, And Nancy, can I heard one
thing else about this? Yes? Is Paty is. And one
of the things that we have to remind ourselves is
in South Florida, law enforcement puts that video on the
minute they walked into the room and it doesn't turn
off until the end, so you're capturing everything he says
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from the minute he's the detectives talk to him. So
that makes that confession very important. Now, haven't had cases
of an individual this young who committed a murder many
years ago. We know it's going to go to grandeur,
we know there's going to be doctors involved, but when
it comes to his statement, it's going to be clearly
seen in this clear new scene. That's why they released
(25:54):
all this video showing that he did understand, he was
saying what happened. He wasn't confused, he wasn't him showing
any emotion. And important thing is to know that the
video doesn't turn off and on. It stays on the
entire time. So I think that's an important aspect of
this case that in South Florida, the police we videotaped
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from the minute they come in to the end. There's
no break in the video. There's no so there's no
pre you know, questioning like they used to do in
the old day's note. From the minute he comes in
and sitsts down, that video turns on.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that.
And guys, speaking of that video we've just obtained, take
a listen to more.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
And you.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Why you man saved by the bill? A million dollar question?
Why did you stab your mom? Can I go to
the bathroom? That's what happened, and this is what happens
when it comes back from the bathroom. Listen.
Speaker 14 (27:12):
So if you're about the times, and.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's why did you love your mother?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Now get your chest?
Speaker 18 (27:28):
Okay, it's fun.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
We can.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Just want to say okay you and have connections or
us should you forward.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
We're not here to advise you on whether to talk or.
Speaker 15 (27:50):
Sorry, But if you are seeing a lawyer, we can't
hear you for set you have communion you.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Wants yes, so we never get the answer why did
you stab your mom? Of course, the lawyers are doing
backflips to get this confession thrown out of evidence, and
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they want it sealed so no one can ever see it.
Listen to our friend Nicole Parton.
Speaker 13 (28:28):
Attorneys failed at keeping the police interview sealed, and in
the interview Rosa Tael's officers, he had fallen asleep. When
he woke up, he goes to the kitchen, grabs a
knife and begins stabbing his mother while she sleeps. His
mother wakes up and screams, but his little sister did
not wake up during the attack.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
So the defense lawyers wanted it sealed so we can
never see it, but they failed. Why is that, Matthew Mangino,
is it the for your freedom of him? For act?
Is that that Florida has the Sunshine Law. Everything's out
in the open. Why was this released?
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Well, I mean there has to be, you know, a reason,
a sufficient reason for the court to steal a record
obviously if if there is a statement that made it's relevant.
I mean, the courts always want to be open as
much as possible. They want the opportunity for the public
(29:28):
to be able to scrutinize what goes on in a
court room and what's part of the record. So there
really has to be some compelling reason to steal a record,
maybe because it would you know, embarrassed people who aren't
directly related to the case and things like that.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Well, another thing is if this does go to trial,
this will be introduced, I believe. So therefore it's not
something that may never come to the jury's review. This
will come before a jury. It's not like the judges
unsealing something that a jury should not or would not
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know about. They're going to see this and they're going
to hear this, but it's not necessarily just this that
I believe makes me believe Derek Rosa will be convicted
for murdering his mother, stabbing her forty eight times. It's
not just what he did at the time of the stabbing,
it's what he did after. Take a listen to Rachel
(30:30):
Benia Crime on line cut thirty three.
Speaker 19 (30:32):
When officers arrive in the scene of the attack, they
find Garcia left split on the floor with dozens of
knife wounds, including a slashed artery in her neck. Laying
near her to see smother is her two week old baby,
still laying in her crib. As part of the grizzly display,
The Daily Mail reports, thirteen year old Derek Rosa takes
a smiling selfie sticking his tongue out with what appears
to be blood smeared on his hands. Rosa sends the
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photo to a friend right after the killing.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Okay, that visual thing I'm not going to get out
of my mind anytime, saying Karen Stark.
Speaker 9 (31:03):
Well, Nancy, I mean that makes perfect sense, because we're
talking about a thirteen year old who singingly has no
conscience whatsoever. He's actually enjoying the fact that he just
did that. And that's really hard for everybody to really comprehend.
How can that be that this boy, who was an
(31:26):
honor student, had no history of any kind of violence,
wakes up in the night and decides to kill his mother,
and they find her on the fush. She even wakes up,
and she screams, and he doesn't pay attention. He could
care less and then he's rejoicing.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
You have been hearing a recently obtained confession by the
honor student accused of stabbing his mother forty eight times
now interesting he left the baby's sister. There's been a
lot of speculation that he was angry that his mom
had had a baby, that he was now having to
split her affections with the baby, and he actually addresses
(32:09):
the baby in the original nine to one one call,
Take a listening. If her Derrek Rose is speaking to investigators,
listen to him on his original nine to one one call.
After he stabs his mother and sends bloody selfies to
his friends, he calls nine one one, Take a listener,
(32:29):
Cut one.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Okay, where else did you stop there all the night
catting her neck?
Speaker 9 (32:38):
Why is your sister?
Speaker 16 (32:40):
She's your grip sleeping?
Speaker 5 (32:43):
How old is your sister?
Speaker 7 (32:45):
She's only a week old?
Speaker 9 (32:49):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (32:50):
And you did not touch her? Correct?
Speaker 18 (32:52):
No, I did not touch you.
Speaker 16 (32:53):
I don't want to touch my sister.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I need to know if your mom is is breathing.
Speaker 16 (32:58):
She said, miss I have the gun with me.
Speaker 18 (33:01):
I was gonna shoot myself, but I didn't want to.
Speaker 11 (33:04):
I didn't want to.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I pulled back to side, but I did not see Okay,
let me understand something. Pat Dias as almost as if
he wants an a plus for not murdering his sister,
his baby sister as well. So I'm trying to make
sense of him almost bragging, No, I didn't want to
hurt my sister, but yet I stabbed my mom forty
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eight times exactly.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
And this is without is a confessional, and the phone call,
when the jury would hear his phone call, is enough
to convict him. But just the fact that his mental
state of mind, that he was able to articulate what
he did, makes a huge difference when it goes in
front of a grand jury or front of a jury period.
And that's what everybody's going to see and hear, is
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how he articulates what happened and what he did do
and what he didn't do. So he basically gave it
a second confession independent of the police. So that's another
issue that the defense attorneys will have to deal with
in court.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
You're right, Pat Diaz. The confession he gave to police,
which has all been recorded, which we've played for you now,
is corroborating. As Pat Diaz has just pointed out, the
nine to one one call. He describes not only stabbing
his mother, not touching his infant sister, but he goes
on to describe what he did after the murder. Take
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a listen to our cut to the nine to one
one original call.
Speaker 16 (34:33):
I need to know that you think we can help
your mom, she said, I have more family members. They
can take care of my sister. I took pictures and
I told my friend about it.
Speaker 9 (34:46):
Was that bad?
Speaker 7 (34:48):
Do you talk old about it my friends?
Speaker 20 (34:51):
Your friends, and you send pictures.
Speaker 16 (34:53):
To your friends?
Speaker 9 (34:54):
The what you do?
Speaker 18 (34:55):
Yeah, I didn't really need to pictures off my phone,
but I sent him to him and I told also,
and then I'm okay, I'm.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Okay, it's all about him. I mean, Matthew man Gino,
the law is very clear, and I'm quoting directly the
black and white letter of the law. One may immediately
regret the deed, but that regret does not negate intent
at the time of the act.
Speaker 17 (35:23):
Matthew Mangino, Well, yeah, I mean, the intent is what
you formed before you act.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
You know, what you regret after you've acted does not
negate the intent to kill. So certainly you know you
may have regretted it but you formed this proper intent
to carry it out, and you did carry it out.
So that is in no way defense. Maybe it's mitigation
in some.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Way, but it's not.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Also, he goes on in further detail to describe sending
the bloody selfies to friends. What do you think of
You're he's gonna make of this? Let's start cut twelve.
Speaker 20 (36:02):
I need to know if your mom is breathing, keep
that right all over the floor.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Okay, why did you kill your mom?
Speaker 6 (36:11):
I need to know.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Do you think we can help your mom?
Speaker 16 (36:15):
Let that could bring.
Speaker 18 (36:18):
Over here?
Speaker 16 (36:18):
What I knew?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
What did you add you?
Speaker 18 (36:21):
Yes, I took pictures and I told my friends about
it with that bad you.
Speaker 20 (36:28):
Talk old about it my friends, your friends, and you
send pictures to your friends and.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
What you did?
Speaker 20 (36:35):
Yeah, do not open until I tell you to open
the door, and to make sure that you have nothing
but yourself one.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
In your hands. They're gonna kill me. No, they're not
gonna kill you. We're here to help you.
Speaker 20 (36:48):
Okay, We're gonna help your family.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
In addition to these recordings, there is heart stopping baby
cam video showing this Florida Honors student, age thirteen, standing
over his mother's bed, just an instant before he stabbed
her dead as a kneeborn sister is sleeping nearby. Now again,
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the last time that Derek Rose appears in court, his
father is asking for leniency and mercy, just as he
did before. Take a listen to Jose Rosaw in court.
Speaker 11 (37:29):
It's hard for us to explain how this occurred.
Speaker 12 (37:34):
You know, it's it's difficult, but I guess what we're
asking for is to another opportunity. It's second chance to
help him grow and become a choice of grow mad,
to to put this behind him and say.
Speaker 8 (37:48):
We have your back, We're here to support you. It's
very unfortunate that this tragedy occurred. But this child is
very humble, very peaceful.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
That may all be true, but he is also a killer,
which leaves prosecutors and judges in the horrible position of
trying to figure out what is the right thing to do?
And I have faced that on many, many occasions, what
is the right thing to do? And Karen Stark, you
and I very often disagreed, because when I'm overwhelmed trying
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to make a right decision, like in a plea negotiation
or suggesting a sentence recommending a sentence at the end
of a trial. When I don't know what to do,
I directly follow the black and white letter of the law.
And under the law, if he is not insane, he
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must go to prison, of course, a juvenile facility until
he's twenty one, and then he would finish out his
sentence in an adult facility after he is of age.
Speaker 9 (38:55):
Well, Nancy, but the thing is, this is a thirteen
year old. He's not an adult. This is where it
becomes very difficult to decide what to do, because you
can even give a diagnosis of psychopathy when you're talking
about someone who's thirteen.
Speaker 7 (39:12):
You can talk about.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
Conduct disorder with callous and unemotional traits, which is where
I would say this particular child said, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
What, Karen starts, You bring him home to your penthouse
apartment in Manhattan and you let him stay there because
everybody that says he needs lenient treatment. You take him home, okay,
because there's no way in HGWL that I would have
him around my children.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Now.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Is that harsh?
Speaker 9 (39:41):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Is it true? Yes? And very often the truth doesn't
taste very good going down. But I mean, Alexis Tereshak,
you want to bring him home and let a baby
sit for your baby.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Oh hell no, he's actually being held in an adult
jail right now, but.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
He is segregated from the population the cause of the
charge that he has Alexis Tereschuk. What is next for
this honor stuit killer.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Well, he's supposed to go to trial in March. This
is supposed to start very quickly. His defense attorney just
the other day requested to go back to the apartment
by themselves and take videos and pictures for their side
of the case. The judge really and the prosecutors really
fought against this, but the judge allowed it. So the
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defense team went to the apartment. They were allowed to
be in there for three hours, and the prosecutors were
not allowed in there with them, And then that is
all they can do there. Because the stepfather has given
up the least for the apartment. He says he wants
to move. He cannot be there anymore. It's way too
painful for him. So he's moving on, and they are
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still his lawyers are still trying to work with the
prosecutors because they do not want him tried as an adult.
But as of right now, he's going to be tried
as an adult.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
It's gonna be a plea watch. We wait as just
as unfolds. Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Straight A's honor student played sports everything loving son big brother.
In the last hours, we learn thirteen year old Derrick
Rosa has confessed to murdering his mother as she's lying
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by a sleep right beside her her new infant baby girl.
Not only do we learn about a confession, we have
obtained that confession to play for you, and at the
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same time time we learn that just emerging is nanny
cam video of the room where the mom is murdered
and him hovering over his sleeping mother. I'm Nancy Grace.
(01:20):
This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.
I want you to take a listen and come through
this statement by the honor student son, Derek Rosa. Let's
hear it.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
From yours.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
He's a friend. Okay three years.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Did you hear that? He couldn't bring himself to say
I killed her until the detective said it's okay, you
can say it, and he said I killed her. I
killed her. Wow. Alexis Tereschuk joining me Crime Online dot
Com investigative reporter Alexis Terrestchuk. It's really hard to take
(02:52):
in what we're hearing you have a son like I do.
I have a son and daughter and they're honor students,
and they really were some wood for me to not
con so far have not given me a minute of
trouble like your sweet boy, and then out of the
blue this aban behavior. But what can you tell me
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about this confession? And it is a confession.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
So Derek Grossa actually called nine to one one himself
the night of October twelfth, about eleven thirty at night,
called the police himself. He said, come, I have killed
my mom. The police take him to the police station.
They talk with him. They say what happened, and his
explanation is, I woke up, I grabbed one of the
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kitchen knives and I went to her room and then
he stops, but he doesn't stop forever. The police officer says,
it's okay, you can talk to me, and he says,
I killed her. He fully confessed to killing his mom.
He didn't say why, but he is he in fact
pictures of himself immediately after he killed her.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I want to follow up on something Alexis Tereshchuk has
just told us joining me an All Star panel. But
in addition to Alexis Terestschuk. Pat Diaz is with us
out of the Florida jurisdiction as well. Former Miami Day
Police homicide detective now private investigator, and you can find
him at South FLPI, South Florida PI dot com, South
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FLPI dot com. Pat, thank you for being with us.
You have to take special precautions when you are interviewing
as a cop a juvenile, explain.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Absolutely in these types of cases, and that many investigators
get that opportunity. When you have a juvenile to interview,
you got to make sure that he's able of sound mind,
which means he's understanding how to read, how to write,
which processes and in order to move on. Otherwise, if
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he's in the daze, then you have nothing. And in
this case that the homicide detectives did a great job
talking to him and actually getting him to talk, So
kudos to them, because in court, the confession is going
to be a major issue that the defense will try
to try to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You're right, Pat Diz, is there a number one goal
at trial they're going to try to have this confession
thrown out. And when it comes to minors making a confession,
it also came to the forefront in the Teresa Hallback murder.
Who is that? That is the young photographer that was
murdered by the star of making a murderer, remember that
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Stephen Avery, and it was portrayed that he was innocent,
that Avery had been framed. Also along for the ride
was his young relative, Brendan Dacy. In Dacy's case, there
was permission to interview Dasy, a then teen, and as
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much as everyone argued, well, Dassy didn't have the wherewithal
to make this statement, that's a double edged sword because
what it also means is he didn't have the wherewithal
to create a fabricated statement with this much detail in
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which he admitted to raping Teresa Hallback and that his
uncle murdered her, Stephen Avery. That was an example of
a teen statement coming to the forefront of the news.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
Listen as the you know, the thing is, you know,
the court is going to have to scrutinize whether or
not Derek Rosa voluntarily spoke to the police and whether
he was properly mirandized. Because a juvenile there's heightened responsibilities
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with regard to law enforcement in terms of mirandizing making
sure they understand contacting parents, and this is a thirteen
year old boy, and of course he's accused of killing
his mother, So that's going to make it even a
little more convoluted in terms of was anybody contacted on
his behalf before they spoke with him, and did he
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waive his Miranda rights? And did he understand and completely
voluntarily make the statement? So those are all issues that
the court is going to have to scrutinize with regard
to his statement.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
You are hearing high profile lawyer Matthew Mangino joining us
out of the Pennsylvania jurisdiction. He has prosecuted juveniles and
defended juveniles, his former district attorney and author of the
Executioner's Toll. Listen to this the crimes, arrest, trials, appeals
and last meals, final words and executions people in the US.
(08:01):
Let's listen to more why this statement is so important
to the prosecution. Take a listen. Now, this is important
(08:26):
what you just heard because here the honor student, thirteen
year old Derrick Rosa, is explaining about the knife. He says,
it's a big seven inch knife with a purple handle.
My mom was sleeping. He's fully cognizant of all the
facts surrounding the murder of his own mother. His mom
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had just given birth to the baby's sister, and in
the nanacam video you see him hovering around the mom
and around the baby sister, who's sleeping in the same
room with the mom, listened to more.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
He's a friend.
Speaker 8 (09:19):
Okay, hold.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Three years your job.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Okay, let me understand what I'm just hearing. Un Like,
says Terrestri joining US Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
He called his friends explain and and I'm hearing where
are the friends? And they are in Sweden.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
These are friends that he's met online. So these are
not schoolmates, These are not kids that he hangs out
with after school. These are kids that he's met online
and are friends that he's met online. So he he
messages them afterwards, he sends three pictures. He shows them.
In fact, there his hands held up and there's blood
dropping on his hands. So he is bragging about this
(10:11):
crime immediately after committing it. I killed my mom. Look
here's the bloody proof of it.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Time stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Let me go to Karen Start, joining us renounced psychologist
TV radio trumpa expert at karenstart dot com Karen with
a C. Karen. It's one thing if he's calling the
friend or texting the friend and saying, oh my stars,
I've done this horrible thing. What am I going to do?
(10:56):
Or I can't believe I did this? But according to
Alexis Terreschuk, he's kind of bragging.
Speaker 9 (11:01):
He's not just bragging, Nancy. He sticks out his tongue,
he's smiling. He was actually excited about what he did.
So this this boy is a very very confused adolescent.
He absolutely doesn't understand how awful his crime is, as
far as I could tell, because he's laughing and excited
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and showing the blood.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Laughing and excited and showing the blood, Alexis Eschak, Is
that true?
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Yes, it's absolutely true. He's showing off the blood on
his hands. Because he stabbed his mom. He was very
close to her. He didn't shoot her, he was right
next to her. And in fact, he had been searching
online for the places and the best places to stop
where we cause the most harm. So this is something
that he had been looking up prior to killing his mom.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Alexis to Reesschach, you're just a fountain of information, aren't you?
And none of it good? Well, I guess it's good
if you're looking at at the probative mat the probative
nature of it, like what does it prove? But it's
very disheartening. Alexis Teresha as a mom of a young
teen very similar to Derrick rosa honor student, sweet natured, mild, timid,
(12:18):
seemingly but suddenly out of the blue. I don't know
what to make of that.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
And he went to a good school, there was there
were never any complaints. He seemed very excited. His mom
was having a baby. The baby was only two weeks old,
a little sister. He had posed for pictures with his
stepdad and with his mom when she was pregnant, really
all in pink polo shirts showing off outside of they
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were about the baby. There were no signs they had
if I'm nothing at school, nobody had ever said that
he was in trouble, No fights with friends, no fights
with the parents' cps, hadn't been called to the home.
Completely to everybody outside of it, out of.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
The blue, Karen, you were jumping in, Karen Stark.
Speaker 9 (13:02):
Yeah, I wanted to add, and we've heard this kind
of steps before, but not from a young adolescent. That
he said that he wanted to shoot himself afterwards, that
he wanted to kill himself.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But he didn't. And speaking of those Google searches, take
a listen to this.
Speaker 10 (13:20):
The night Derek Rosa allegedly stabs his mother to death,
he makes six Google searches that include, what is the
best place to stab someone? Is a small knife good
for killing? Is it easier to kill someone with a
small knife? Can a knife cut through bone? And a
request for a diagram of the cardioid artery. The Daily
Mail reports the last search made that night was to
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inquire about a machine gun.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I mean he's looking up the carotid artery. Doctor Kendall
Crown's joining US Chief Medical Examiner, joining US out of
Terran County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer University, Texas Austin and
TCU Texas Christian University Medical School, Doctor Kendall Crown. I
don't know how you do it all. How many autopsies
(14:04):
do you think you have performed in life?
Speaker 11 (14:08):
Probably close to around ten thousand.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You know, when people ask me how many cases I've handled,
and I say around ten thousand, It doesn't seem real,
but when you look back, it Israel because I would
get one hundred new cases a week from the grand
jury at least, or even if you wanted to go
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by a month, and you do that every month for
ten years, yes, that's a lot. Same with you. You
don't count them as they're happening, but you look back
and realize, wow, that's a lot of autopsies. And in
your experience, could you explain is there any way to
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recover when someone has their carotid artery severed? To start?
What is the kartid artery?
Speaker 11 (15:02):
So the karated artery is a vessel in your neck
that is taking blood from your heart to your brain basically,
and you have two of them, one on either side
of your neck, and they're they're pretty good size. They're
about the bigger round as a as a ballpoint pen diameter, so,
and they sit right underneath the muscles on either side
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of your neck, so they're really close to the surface.
So when you get your crotid artery cut, you usually
can bleed out in a matter of minutes.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
How many minutes, I'd say, wonder for and question. We've
all seen movies. I've actually seen a victim whose crotit
artery had been sliced, but it was postmarm after death.
Is this the kind of wound Basically there's no coming
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back from that. But as it does, is the wound
pulse with the beating of the heart.
Speaker 11 (16:04):
Yes, so it's an argy, so it's had the pressurized
blood is still there, so it will spurt and shoot
blood out of it. You can try and close it
off because you have a second one. It'll still get
blood to the brain, so you can pinch it off
and you can still be saved, but you have to
get immediate Michael treatment. A good example is there was
(16:24):
a hockey player recently got his next plice by a
skate and he died even though he had help right away.
So it's a significant vessel to get cut and you
need help immediately. And even if you get help immediately,
they can't only save you.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And the reason I'm asking about the pulsing nature of
the bleeding is because the boy in this case, thirteen
year old honor suit A derreck Rosa, was literally covered
in blood. It was an extremely bloody crime scene. Is
that why doctor cram It's part of it.
Speaker 11 (17:01):
I mean, she would be the blood would be spurting out.
It would be getting all over her, all over the plate,
even on him, and if he continues to stabber, it
would be getting on him as he continued to stab her,
and then whatever else he's stabbing would also bleed on
him as well.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Okay, let's hear more of what we've recently obtained, the
actual confession given by this teen honor student.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Listen, did you the home?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And Okay, I want to talk about his demeanor as
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he's relaying killing his mom. I mean, Karen Stark, I
think I need a trauma expert right now, because when
I think back about when my dad passed away, or
when my fiance Keith was murdered, even now, I typically
don't like talking about it. I don't like when people
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bring it up, especially unexpectedly, But if I allow myself
to think about it, it's still very, very upsetting. And
this honor student is talking very methodically and stoically. He
doesn't seem upset at all.
Speaker 9 (18:58):
Nancy, Well, you had just gribing what you feel or
I feel having lost the dad. We're having feelings, right, emotions,
but now we're talking about someone who's disassociated, which means
that he's separated from his feelings. He's he's not in
touch with any emotional response, and it's really hard to
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understand what's going on with this boyd because of that.
It's confusing because he doesn't seem to he's laughing afterwards,
he doesn't seem to be having any kind of an
emotional response, like he's cut off. And usually that happens
with somebody who has a criminal mentality, who has no feelings,
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no conscience, and doesn't understand what they did.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Oh well, well, well, whoa, whoa, whoa? Wait a minute,
right there, when you say the words doesn't understand what
they did, you're triggering all sorts of legal alarm bells
in my mind because I know someone doesn't understand what
they did, translation doesn't understand right from wrong. That is
a legal definition of insanity. This kid is not insane.
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He's not insane.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
He's not insane, but he's cut off from I don't
believe that he gets he grasped the full extent of
what happened, until it seems like now he doesn't want
to ye, well, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Either, that's you putting your layer of interpretation on him.
He doesn't understand he took the pictures covered in blood
and sent them to two of his friends online. He
understands he killed his mom. She's dead, she's not coming back.
And as a matter of fact, I want to hear
a little bit more of what he said. Listen, our
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cut twenty one. We're still hearing the recently obtained confession
by the thirteen year old honor student who stabs his
mom dead. She's lying next to her infant baby girl. Listen,
I'll let's get back to your mom.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Okay.
Speaker 12 (21:03):
He said she was sleeving.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Okay, where exactly did.
Speaker 13 (21:06):
You cover her?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
At the first side?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Coming best shot undernet?
Speaker 14 (21:13):
This is the name La was hearing every year. Noble says,
O your step here, tell you know.
Speaker 15 (21:20):
That that's called the pareor something in her?
Speaker 9 (21:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 15 (21:23):
Okay, And and you heard Sally went with her when
you after sign then like okay, was there a lot
of blood after her?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Was there? He thought of blood affordance?
Speaker 9 (21:37):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Did you tell her anything before you sat?
Speaker 10 (21:43):
Did you say anything?
Speaker 9 (21:44):
Answer?
Speaker 14 (21:44):
Dress or the Sanish curs bass. But she didn't wink
up when you She was asleeping. She was asleep when
you saw Yes, and then she will go after seven.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Time Stories with Nancy Grace, and.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
She did.
Speaker 16 (22:16):
She was.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Okay, let me understand what I'm hearing. Alexis Tereschak joining
us from crime online dot Com. He's saying that he
said a curse word to his mom in Spanish. It
was merrikan, which is a homosexual slur. To my understanding,
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that's what he said. Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yes, It's just it's mind modeling that this child says
that he said this bad thing to her and then
he stabs her forty eight times while she's sleeping, and
I feel like it's it's I'm an important point out
that she was fully asleep in her bed and really
didn't even fight back, because this was so quick and
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so violent. Because within he was right at eleven as
the nanny hammer or the baby monitor cam shows that
it was set up to look in the crib, which
was right next to the bed, and he is shown
there at eleven o'clock, and then thirty minutes later, he's
already sent messages to his friends and he's already called
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the police. This was super fast.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
She was not awake.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
She really didn't even fight back against this because he
was so strong and he's not a big kid. He's
still like a young queen. He's so young and not
a big, hulking child or anything like Baddy skinny give
me arms, and yet managed to do all of this.
But yes, he says that he said something, he called
her a bad word in Spanish.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, I don't even understand the contexts? Is that, Matthew
Manena jump in.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
Yes, so it's Nancy. I mean, obviously you know this
is a crime of rage, know how this slur works
into this the overall intent here. But you know, to
stab somebody, your mother forty eight times, you're really, you know, enraged,
I mean you're wanting to.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Do Man, what is that supposed to mean to me?
That he's enraged? That's not a defense. So I don't care.
You can't say, oh, I did it but I was
angry angry, It's not a defense.
Speaker 17 (24:25):
Matthew Mangino, Well, I'd like to know why a thirteen
year old boy would would make a homosexual slur toward
his mother in staber forty eight times.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, I'd like to know too, But unless it rises
to insanity, it doesn't change the outcome of these facts.
If he's legally insane, then he should not go to jail.
Absolutely not. If he's not, then he should.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Yeah, but he's thirteen years old, and Nancy, and in Florida,
you know, unless the grand jury indicate you would happen here,
you can't even charge a a fourteen year old, you know,
with with murder. I mean you know, I mean a
thirteen year old, you know, under the age of fourteen.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yes, it's going to have to be a grand jury indictment.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
And it was so, And Nancy, can I heard one
thing else about this? Yes? Is Paty is. And one
of the things that we have to remind ourselves is
in South Florida, law enforcement puts that video on the
minute they walked into the room and it doesn't turn
off until the end, so you're capturing everything he says
(25:31):
from the minute he's the detectives talk to him. So
that makes that confession very important. Now, haven't had cases
of an individual this young who committed a murder many
years ago. We know it's going to go to grandeur,
we know there's going to be doctors involved, but when
it comes to his statement, it's going to be clearly
seen in this clear new scene. That's why they released
(25:54):
all this video showing that he did understand, he was
saying what happened. He wasn't confused, he wasn't him showing
any emotion. And important thing is to know that the
video doesn't turn off and on. It stays on the
entire time. So I think that's an important aspect of
this case that in South Florida, the police we videotaped
(26:14):
from the minute they come in to the end. There's
no break in the video. There's no so there's no
pre you know, questioning like they used to do in
the old day's note. From the minute he comes in
and sitsts down, that video turns on.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that.
And guys, speaking of that video we've just obtained, take
a listen to more.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
And you.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Why you man saved by the bill? A million dollar question?
Why did you stab your mom? Can I go to
the bathroom? That's what happened, and this is what happens
when it comes back from the bathroom. Listen.
Speaker 14 (27:12):
So if you're about the times, and.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's why did you love your mother?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Now get your chest?
Speaker 18 (27:28):
Okay, it's fun.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
We can.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Just want to say okay you and have connections or
us should you forward.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
We're not here to advise you on whether to talk or.
Speaker 15 (27:50):
Sorry, But if you are seeing a lawyer, we can't
hear you for set you have communion you.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Wants yes, so we never get the answer why did
you stab your mom? Of course, the lawyers are doing
backflips to get this confession thrown out of evidence, and
(28:22):
they want it sealed so no one can ever see it.
Listen to our friend Nicole Parton.
Speaker 13 (28:28):
Attorneys failed at keeping the police interview sealed, and in
the interview Rosa Tael's officers, he had fallen asleep. When
he woke up, he goes to the kitchen, grabs a
knife and begins stabbing his mother while she sleeps. His
mother wakes up and screams, but his little sister did
not wake up during the attack.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
So the defense lawyers wanted it sealed so we can
never see it, but they failed. Why is that, Matthew Mangino,
is it the for your freedom of him? For act?
Is that that Florida has the Sunshine Law. Everything's out
in the open. Why was this released?
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Well, I mean there has to be, you know, a reason,
a sufficient reason for the court to steal a record
obviously if if there is a statement that made it's relevant.
I mean, the courts always want to be open as
much as possible. They want the opportunity for the public
(29:28):
to be able to scrutinize what goes on in a
court room and what's part of the record. So there
really has to be some compelling reason to steal a record,
maybe because it would you know, embarrassed people who aren't
directly related to the case and things like that.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Well, another thing is if this does go to trial,
this will be introduced, I believe. So therefore it's not
something that may never come to the jury's review. This
will come before a jury. It's not like the judges
unsealing something that a jury should not or would not
(30:07):
know about. They're going to see this and they're going
to hear this, but it's not necessarily just this that
I believe makes me believe Derek Rosa will be convicted
for murdering his mother, stabbing her forty eight times. It's
not just what he did at the time of the stabbing,
it's what he did after. Take a listen to Rachel
(30:30):
Benia Crime on line cut thirty three.
Speaker 19 (30:32):
When officers arrive in the scene of the attack, they
find Garcia left split on the floor with dozens of
knife wounds, including a slashed artery in her neck. Laying
near her to see smother is her two week old baby,
still laying in her crib. As part of the grizzly display,
The Daily Mail reports, thirteen year old Derek Rosa takes
a smiling selfie sticking his tongue out with what appears
to be blood smeared on his hands. Rosa sends the
(30:55):
photo to a friend right after the killing.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Okay, that visual thing I'm not going to get out
of my mind anytime, saying Karen Stark.
Speaker 9 (31:03):
Well, Nancy, I mean that makes perfect sense, because we're
talking about a thirteen year old who singingly has no
conscience whatsoever. He's actually enjoying the fact that he just
did that. And that's really hard for everybody to really comprehend.
How can that be that this boy, who was an
(31:26):
honor student, had no history of any kind of violence,
wakes up in the night and decides to kill his mother,
and they find her on the fush. She even wakes up,
and she screams, and he doesn't pay attention. He could
care less and then he's rejoicing.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
You have been hearing a recently obtained confession by the
honor student accused of stabbing his mother forty eight times
now interesting he left the baby's sister. There's been a
lot of speculation that he was angry that his mom
had had a baby, that he was now having to
split her affections with the baby, and he actually addresses
(32:09):
the baby in the original nine to one one call,
Take a listening. If her Derrek Rose is speaking to investigators,
listen to him on his original nine to one one call.
After he stabs his mother and sends bloody selfies to
his friends, he calls nine one one, Take a listener,
(32:29):
Cut one.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Okay, where else did you stop there all the night
catting her neck?
Speaker 9 (32:38):
Why is your sister?
Speaker 16 (32:40):
She's your grip sleeping?
Speaker 5 (32:43):
How old is your sister?
Speaker 7 (32:45):
She's only a week old?
Speaker 9 (32:49):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (32:50):
And you did not touch her? Correct?
Speaker 18 (32:52):
No, I did not touch you.
Speaker 16 (32:53):
I don't want to touch my sister.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I need to know if your mom is is breathing.
Speaker 16 (32:58):
She said, miss I have the gun with me.
Speaker 18 (33:01):
I was gonna shoot myself, but I didn't want to.
Speaker 11 (33:04):
I didn't want to.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I pulled back to side, but I did not see Okay,
let me understand something. Pat Dias as almost as if
he wants an a plus for not murdering his sister,
his baby sister as well. So I'm trying to make
sense of him almost bragging, No, I didn't want to
hurt my sister, but yet I stabbed my mom forty
(33:27):
eight times exactly.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
And this is without is a confessional, and the phone call,
when the jury would hear his phone call, is enough
to convict him. But just the fact that his mental
state of mind, that he was able to articulate what
he did, makes a huge difference when it goes in
front of a grand jury or front of a jury period.
And that's what everybody's going to see and hear, is
(33:51):
how he articulates what happened and what he did do
and what he didn't do. So he basically gave it
a second confession independent of the police. So that's another
issue that the defense attorneys will have to deal with
in court.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
You're right, Pat Diaz. The confession he gave to police,
which has all been recorded, which we've played for you now,
is corroborating. As Pat Diaz has just pointed out, the
nine to one one call. He describes not only stabbing
his mother, not touching his infant sister, but he goes
on to describe what he did after the murder. Take
(34:29):
a listen to our cut to the nine to one
one original call.
Speaker 16 (34:33):
I need to know that you think we can help
your mom, she said, I have more family members. They
can take care of my sister. I took pictures and
I told my friend about it.
Speaker 9 (34:46):
Was that bad?
Speaker 7 (34:48):
Do you talk old about it my friends?
Speaker 20 (34:51):
Your friends, and you send pictures.
Speaker 16 (34:53):
To your friends?
Speaker 9 (34:54):
The what you do?
Speaker 18 (34:55):
Yeah, I didn't really need to pictures off my phone,
but I sent him to him and I told also,
and then I'm okay, I'm.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Okay, it's all about him. I mean, Matthew man Gino,
the law is very clear, and I'm quoting directly the
black and white letter of the law. One may immediately
regret the deed, but that regret does not negate intent
at the time of the act.
Speaker 17 (35:23):
Matthew Mangino, Well, yeah, I mean, the intent is what
you formed before you act.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
You know, what you regret after you've acted does not
negate the intent to kill. So certainly you know you
may have regretted it but you formed this proper intent
to carry it out, and you did carry it out.
So that is in no way defense. Maybe it's mitigation
in some.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Way, but it's not.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Also, he goes on in further detail to describe sending
the bloody selfies to friends. What do you think of
You're he's gonna make of this? Let's start cut twelve.
Speaker 20 (36:02):
I need to know if your mom is breathing, keep
that right all over the floor.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Okay, why did you kill your mom?
Speaker 6 (36:11):
I need to know.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Do you think we can help your mom?
Speaker 16 (36:15):
Let that could bring.
Speaker 18 (36:18):
Over here?
Speaker 16 (36:18):
What I knew?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
What did you add you?
Speaker 18 (36:21):
Yes, I took pictures and I told my friends about
it with that bad you.
Speaker 20 (36:28):
Talk old about it my friends, your friends, and you
send pictures to your friends and.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
What you did?
Speaker 20 (36:35):
Yeah, do not open until I tell you to open
the door, and to make sure that you have nothing
but yourself one.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
In your hands. They're gonna kill me. No, they're not
gonna kill you. We're here to help you.
Speaker 20 (36:48):
Okay, We're gonna help your family.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
In addition to these recordings, there is heart stopping baby
cam video showing this Florida Honors student, age thirteen, standing
over his mother's bed, just an instant before he stabbed
her dead as a kneeborn sister is sleeping nearby. Now again,
(37:14):
the last time that Derek Rose appears in court, his
father is asking for leniency and mercy, just as he
did before. Take a listen to Jose Rosaw in court.
Speaker 11 (37:29):
It's hard for us to explain how this occurred.
Speaker 12 (37:34):
You know, it's it's difficult, but I guess what we're
asking for is to another opportunity. It's second chance to
help him grow and become a choice of grow mad,
to to put this behind him and say.
Speaker 8 (37:48):
We have your back, We're here to support you. It's
very unfortunate that this tragedy occurred. But this child is
very humble, very peaceful.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
That may all be true, but he is also a killer,
which leaves prosecutors and judges in the horrible position of
trying to figure out what is the right thing to do?
And I have faced that on many, many occasions, what
is the right thing to do? And Karen Stark, you
and I very often disagreed, because when I'm overwhelmed trying
(38:22):
to make a right decision, like in a plea negotiation
or suggesting a sentence recommending a sentence at the end
of a trial. When I don't know what to do,
I directly follow the black and white letter of the law.
And under the law, if he is not insane, he
(38:43):
must go to prison, of course, a juvenile facility until
he's twenty one, and then he would finish out his
sentence in an adult facility after he is of age.
Speaker 9 (38:55):
Well, Nancy, but the thing is, this is a thirteen
year old. He's not an adult. This is where it
becomes very difficult to decide what to do, because you
can even give a diagnosis of psychopathy when you're talking
about someone who's thirteen.
Speaker 7 (39:12):
You can talk about.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
Conduct disorder with callous and unemotional traits, which is where
I would say this particular child said, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
What, Karen starts, You bring him home to your penthouse
apartment in Manhattan and you let him stay there because
everybody that says he needs lenient treatment. You take him home, okay,
because there's no way in HGWL that I would have
him around my children.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Now.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Is that harsh?
Speaker 9 (39:41):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Is it true? Yes? And very often the truth doesn't
taste very good going down. But I mean, Alexis Tereshak,
you want to bring him home and let a baby
sit for your baby.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Oh hell no, he's actually being held in an adult
jail right now, but.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
He is segregated from the population the cause of the
charge that he has Alexis Tereschuk. What is next for
this honor stuit killer.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Well, he's supposed to go to trial in March. This
is supposed to start very quickly. His defense attorney just
the other day requested to go back to the apartment
by themselves and take videos and pictures for their side
of the case. The judge really and the prosecutors really
fought against this, but the judge allowed it. So the
(40:28):
defense team went to the apartment. They were allowed to
be in there for three hours, and the prosecutors were
not allowed in there with them, And then that is
all they can do there. Because the stepfather has given
up the least for the apartment. He says he wants
to move. He cannot be there anymore. It's way too
painful for him. So he's moving on, and they are
(40:48):
still his lawyers are still trying to work with the
prosecutors because they do not want him tried as an adult.
But as of right now, he's going to be tried
as an adult.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
It's gonna be a plea watch. We wait as just
as unfolds. Goodbye friend,
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Nancy Grace
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