January 2, 2026 • 60 mins
Shocking evidence and video released from the King Road home where four University of Idaho students were slaughtered in the off campus house by Bryan Kohberger.
The "deal with the devil" phrase used in the title refers to the controversial "plea deal" accepted by Bryan Kohberger in July 2025.
The convicted murderer and "wanna be rapper" cowardly saves his on life from death "penalty" in exchange for a guilty plea and life in prison without parole. This outcome was met with public outrage and mixed reactions, feeling the state made an unfavorable deal by removing the possibility of capital punishment.
The body camera footage publicly released in August 2025, shows the initial entry of officers into the crime scene and their discovery of the victims. It captures the raw, immediate aftermath and the shock of the first responders and the distress of surviving roommates on the scene, though significant portions are redacted and victims' faces obscured.
The footage provides insight into the layout of the house and the conditions at the time of discovery.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Your name and they.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Like you all work at the University of Actually.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
You're nothing.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
When those prison doors slams shot behind you. I hope
that sound echoes in your heart for the rest of
your meaningless days.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
On the evening of November twelfth and into the early
morning hours of November thirteenth, Kaylee and Madison arrived home
at approximately one forty five am after visiting a local
bar and a street food vendor. Ethan and Xana were
also out in the community at Sigma Chai, and they
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arrived home at approximately one AM. Two surviving roommates who
were also at in the community arrived home at approximately
one AM.
Speaker 7 (01:33):
Now we're getting a peak at what was happening in
those early morning hours around.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Four a m.
Speaker 7 (01:40):
So far we know they were all out really late,
some of them in a group.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
They were at a food truck.
Speaker 7 (01:47):
Everybody at that food truck and standing in the group
fell under suspicion.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I recall there was a guy in the distance.
Speaker 7 (01:56):
All these people were tracked down and questioned.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
See the guy on the riot kind of standing away.
He was found.
Speaker 7 (02:06):
He was everybody was found and questioned. So we know
they were at a food truck Super super early.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
In the morning.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
I'm talking one, two, three am. We know they went home.
We know some of them ordered like Uber eats. These
are the last known images of some of the victims,
and this became an evidentiary football at the beginning of
(02:38):
the investigation, as LA law enforcement tried to track their
last movements and who they would have come in contact with.
They go home, then naysayers immediately began vilifying Dylan and
Bethany because they quote waited to call nine to one one.
(02:59):
But I want you to see the text conversation between
Dylan and Bethany.
Speaker 8 (03:06):
No one is answering. I'm really confused right now.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah, dude, what the Xana was wearing all black?
Speaker 8 (03:12):
I'm freaking out right now. No, it's like a ski mask.
Almost shut the f up. Actually, like he had something
over his forehead and mouth. Bethany, I'm not kidding. I'm
so freaked out. So a mine, my phone is going
to die.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Come to my room, run down here.
Speaker 8 (03:30):
I'm screwed though, Yeah, I know, but it's better than
being alone.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
Sidney Sumner joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter Sydney Let's
put this into context. Of course, the cell phone data
experts are going to know exactly what time these texts
were going back and forth between them. Dylan Mortenson's phone
was dying and Bethany was trying to coax Heart to
(03:54):
run to her room. Can you imagine running from room
to room knowing that there's an intruder or thinking there's
an intruder in the home. Tell me what you've gleaned
about these text messages, Sidney Nancy.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I think these text messages are between two terrified co
eds who don't know what's going on and have been
out all night partying, drinking. So unfortunately they are not
sober at this point. And their house is known to
have sometimes strangers in it. They throw parties often, they
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have a lot of friends. There's five people living there,
so in terms of having a stranger in the house,
that's not super uncommon for them. And even if this
person was not somebody they recognized and fruit them out,
they might not immediately call nine to one one, not
knowing whether or not this is someone who is supposed
(04:53):
to be there at that point.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
On the morning of November thirteenth, at eleven fifty eight am,
a nine call was placed the call reported an unconscious person.
The call originated from inside the residence and the surviving
roommates cell phone was used.
Speaker 9 (05:14):
On location of your emergency.
Speaker 10 (05:16):
Something is happening to you don't know what?
Speaker 9 (05:20):
What is the address of the emergency? What is the
rest of the address?
Speaker 11 (05:33):
Oh, King two roads?
Speaker 9 (05:35):
Okay?
Speaker 10 (05:36):
And is that a house or an apartment? Did the house?
Speaker 9 (05:39):
Can you repeat the address to make sure that I
have it right?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I'll talk to you guys. We're we live at the lights,
so we're next to them.
Speaker 10 (05:48):
I need someone to repeat the address for verification.
Speaker 9 (05:51):
The address one one to to King Drugs. Tell me
exactly what's going on.
Speaker 12 (05:58):
One of our one of.
Speaker 13 (05:59):
The roommates who pass out and she's drunk class and.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Shedn't wake me up?
Speaker 10 (06:04):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Oh and they saw some man in their house house night.
Speaker 12 (06:08):
Yeah right?
Speaker 9 (06:10):
Just men, are you in the patient?
Speaker 14 (06:11):
Okay?
Speaker 10 (06:12):
I need someone to keep the phone, stop passing it around.
Can I just tell you what happened?
Speaker 12 (06:17):
Pretty much?
Speaker 10 (06:18):
What is going on currently? If someone passed out right now?
Speaker 15 (06:22):
I don't really know what pretty much at four m okay,
I need.
Speaker 10 (06:25):
To know what's going on right now. If someone has
passed out, can you find that out?
Speaker 9 (06:29):
Yeah, I'll come, come on up the mudical.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
Check what we have to And there you hear the
surviving victim speaking, and she begins to tell what happened.
She says pretty much at four a m. And the
dispatch operator cuts in and goes, yeah, I don't need
to know that. I need to know if somebody passed out.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Can you find that out? Okay, let's keep going.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
She's not waking up.
Speaker 10 (07:08):
Yeah, okay, one moment, I'm getting help started that way,
we'll give me.
Speaker 9 (07:31):
Okay, and how old is she?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Tom?
Speaker 10 (07:34):
She's twenty.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
Twenty?
Speaker 12 (07:37):
You said, yes, twenty, here's okay.
Speaker 10 (07:42):
Hello, Hello, Okay, I need someone to stop passing the
phone around because I've talked to four different people.
Speaker 16 (07:48):
Hey, sorry, they just gave me the phone.
Speaker 9 (07:50):
Is she breathing?
Speaker 17 (07:51):
She?
Speaker 14 (07:52):
Hello?
Speaker 16 (07:53):
Is she breathing?
Speaker 14 (07:54):
No?
Speaker 12 (07:55):
Okay, Well I can't you talk too?
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Hello?
Speaker 10 (08:04):
Okay, may have already shurent to the ambulance and law enforcement.
Stay on the line.
Speaker 9 (08:09):
If there is a defibrillator available, send someone to get
it now and tell me when.
Speaker 10 (08:12):
You have it.
Speaker 11 (08:13):
Okay, boy again, there's a police here right now.
Speaker 9 (08:17):
Okay.
Speaker 10 (08:17):
If there's a defibrillator available, send someone to get it
now and tell me when you have it.
Speaker 18 (08:22):
You don't.
Speaker 9 (08:25):
Yet.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Did you have a desibulator?
Speaker 19 (08:28):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (08:28):
Do you have one?
Speaker 10 (08:30):
Are you talking to the officer?
Speaker 7 (08:32):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (08:32):
Okay, I'm gonna let you go so she's there with
you and can help you.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Okay, thank you, fine, Okay, we're Moscow Police officers responded
and found two victims, two on the second floor and
two on the third floor of eleven twenty two King.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
Road inside hell h E double L horrific new body
camp video emerging inside the murder saying and it reveals
the truth for sure.
Speaker 16 (09:04):
Yep or share or share.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
We're at and you gotters out. Here's here.
Speaker 20 (09:16):
You've got to call.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
You know you.
Speaker 16 (09:21):
And I checking us down.
Speaker 21 (09:27):
And I can't re use you agree with you?
Speaker 13 (09:30):
And I checket.
Speaker 16 (09:34):
Let's slow down. There's a good news. Come here. It's
there's two okay.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Doddies Sydney. What we're hearing is the officer who arrives
at the scene. There are four people standing outside. Let's
see the video. The group is huddled outside and we
hear the officer speaking to the friend hunter Johnson, and
(10:01):
Johnson is saying, up here, up here, I just came
to check in here and this is what I found.
I checked to see if she's breathing, and she's I
think this is going to be not I didn't check
him yet, referring to Ethan. Then you hear a Moscow
first responder state looks like dead bodies.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yes, this is the absolute first response to this home
after getting that nine to.
Speaker 17 (10:27):
One one call.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
And during that call, the girls in the house try
to explain what happened that they think they saw someone
at four am, but the officer, the dispatcher, just wants
to know exactly who they can try and help. So
immediately after we see what we saw in the cut
that just played, EMT's start rushing up to the house,
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and this officer who was the first on scene, who
first went to check on everything, he has to stop
this group of twenty five ants that show up to
the house and say, you know, we don't think we
need your services.
Speaker 16 (11:06):
Nobody's allowed to leave for now. Okay, just stay here
for me, please.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Do you know they here?
Speaker 16 (11:30):
Can you guys go over to the dumpster for me?
Speaker 22 (11:33):
Please let me secure the outside first?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Who is there's a backgand try I'll gonna start taking
it all off. Seeing outside off okay.
Speaker 16 (12:05):
Already, doesn't I gotten there?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Shut the dog in there.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
You hear the officer trying to secure it, saying, I've
got to I got to right here, talking about two
dead bodies, I got two right here.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Already.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
The house is clear. In other words, the suspect's not there.
There's not a life suspect there. The house is clear
to walk through. And they shut the dog, which is
common because you don't know when the dog is gonna
go crazy to start biting. You shut the dog in there.
I'm curious where he shut the dog. But before I
analyze that, I want you to hear more from the survivors.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
This is Dylan Morton's Listen, all right, what do.
Speaker 16 (12:50):
You remember you're saying? We started?
Speaker 11 (12:52):
I remember I was in my room and I trying
to go to bed, and they heard Kelley, who I'm
so bad?
Speaker 16 (12:59):
Look real fast, Which one is your room?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Her?
Speaker 16 (13:03):
Which one is your room?
Speaker 12 (13:04):
Oh?
Speaker 16 (13:05):
Room? Are you in here? You were in that room?
Speaker 12 (13:08):
My room is in this room?
Speaker 16 (13:10):
My room and your room. Here's the best one right hand?
Speaker 11 (13:13):
Is that one second floor?
Speaker 16 (13:18):
Okay?
Speaker 12 (13:20):
All I heard was I heard hed go.
Speaker 11 (13:22):
Upstairs and okay, I'm gonna go to seat now.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Because she's going upstairs.
Speaker 16 (13:25):
Heard who go upstairs?
Speaker 11 (13:26):
Kaylee and the dog Murphy.
Speaker 16 (13:29):
And upstairs to the very top.
Speaker 11 (13:31):
Yeah, that's where her room is.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Sydney.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
What is probative about that body camp we just showed.
What does this prove, Sydney.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
So first we have to get in her mind that
the entire time Dylan insists Haylee went upstairs, Kaylee screamed,
Kaylee ran down the stairs, And the officer even points
this out later he says to another officer she somehow
knows she was somehow able to discern this with Kaylee.
(14:05):
But we don't think that's actually true. So we have
to think about the layout of the house. So Kaylee
and Maddie were asleep upstairs. Xanna's room was on the
second floor, where Dylan's room was. So the only thing
that makes sense for somebody to have ran down those
stairs is Xanna, not Kaylee, not Maddie. So we have
(14:27):
to get that in our heads as we're listening to
Dylan's recollection of events. But it just proves to me
that someone was there. These women are correct, someone was
in their house.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
So do you think at the time when we think
Kelly was saying Hey, I'm gonna go to bed.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I'm gonna go to sleep.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
Do you think he was already in the house, because
now I believe that he was already in there waiting
for them to go to sleep.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I don't think that they all went to their beds
and then he snuck in with you.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And we also learned later that Maddie was the last
person to take Murphy out. So Mattie checks in with
Dylan and bethany one more time. Hey, I lost Murphy.
I can't get him to come inside. Is he with
either of y'all? She's looking for the dog. So again,
this dog who they described for weeks was on edge
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before the murders, who was constantly going off into the
woods and wouldn't come back when called, just acting very
very oddly, does the same thing this night when they're
taking him out for the last time. So I'm kind
of feeling like someone was watching as they took the
dog out for the very last time, and maybe snuck
(15:43):
in just behind them as they brought the dog in.
Speaker 11 (15:46):
And then ultimately we're looking up. I heard her scream
and she ran downstairs because she saw someone. That's what
I'm pretty sure she said. She one's here and she's
screamed and just randomn stairs and I called for a name,
but they jumped up and locked my door close.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
So scared.
Speaker 11 (16:02):
And then and I heard someone in the bathroom when
I heard her crying, and I heard some guys say
that you're gonna be okay. I'm gonna help you. And
I kept calling your name, but she wasn't answering. And
then I opened the door for a second and I
saw this guy and he was not insanely told, but
he's doing all black and like this mask. I was
just covering his.
Speaker 12 (16:19):
Forehead and his mouth.
Speaker 11 (16:21):
And I walked the door and I called, and I
didn't know what to do.
Speaker 16 (16:25):
Yes, you left here.
Speaker 11 (16:26):
I left my room down to bed and she's that
went with the white wine at the very bottom. I
run do there and we talked and I just just
locked the door.
Speaker 12 (16:34):
Wouldn't think anything of it.
Speaker 11 (16:35):
We're like, nothing happens in Moscow.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
So we just like tried to go to bed.
Speaker 11 (16:38):
And then we woke up, and it was weird because
none of our roommates were up and we called all
of them. They were not waking up, and so mean,
like this is weird. So I called and come over
and then that's all this happened with me. Say that
boy right there is the girl in there.
Speaker 16 (17:01):
It's the girl that Okay, how do you spoke her name?
Speaker 12 (17:05):
I mean x A n A.
Speaker 16 (17:09):
Do you know she has a middle name Alexis I think?
Do you know what her last name is?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Pronodle kay and Ernestole?
Speaker 12 (17:15):
Really Kate, you know r n O d l k
a E r a e r O k E r
n O n O l d l e.
Speaker 16 (17:27):
Okay, excite n A x A n A Okay, Neves
in there.
Speaker 11 (17:33):
He's actually everybody's.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Here all the time.
Speaker 16 (17:36):
He is a Mallett lives here and he doesn't actually
as the Indusiana. I believe he is right now, but
he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
He doesn't live. Everybody's here a lot.
Speaker 11 (17:45):
And then there's Maddy Mogan and Kayley up top.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I don't know where they're at.
Speaker 9 (17:51):
Mit.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Describe the guy that you tall.
Speaker 11 (17:54):
I don't think he was. He was a little bit
taller than me and I couldn't really see much of him.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But she's I'm almost positive.
Speaker 11 (18:04):
He's bringing a slow back outfit. And he had this
mask that let's just go for his forehead and over
his nose, and he didn't say anything.
Speaker 16 (18:11):
To me, like at all.
Speaker 11 (18:13):
I just shut the door and locked it because I
didn't know what to do. And I think he went
out like the side door, the sliding door in the
kitchen that goes up to the backyard.
Speaker 12 (18:22):
And then I didn't know anything else.
Speaker 11 (18:24):
I called, you know, I was like, I just can't
come downstairs and find because I don't know.
Speaker 16 (18:27):
Where anyone else is.
Speaker 11 (18:28):
And I called Maddie. I called Danna. I called Katie.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
No answer.
Speaker 12 (18:31):
I heard her scream and run like run.
Speaker 11 (18:33):
As fast as she could downstairs, and she said someone's here.
Speaker 12 (18:38):
She yes, I could hear you can hear everything.
Speaker 11 (18:40):
I'm not sure. I heard her run downstairs fast, and
then I heard Murphy barking a lot, okay. And then
I heard her going to the back I think there
was the bathroom, and I remember her stopping and I
just didn't heard this guy's voice and I didn't recognize
saying you're gonna be okay, to help you. But it
was like, I don't know how to explain it, like
(19:02):
it was it in like a nice way. It was
like a weird way, like a weird tea.
Speaker 23 (19:06):
You're gonna be okay, I'm gonna help you, and you
didn't hear anything from Kaye anymore.
Speaker 16 (19:16):
Then Nuddy about Murphy and then Murphy's a dog.
Speaker 24 (19:21):
Yeah, and then I.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Went outside go to bed and she was so tuky,
you know.
Speaker 12 (19:28):
And then and then my dad liked about a gers
and that he just said that.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
She was Murphy.
Speaker 25 (19:36):
And was what he was letting me the next and
then at what time using Chelsea.
Speaker 16 (19:42):
M.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
You see what's happening here, all the speculation about the dog.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
He had been there before, and he had befriended the dog.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
He knew Murphy, and Murphy was park Murphy the dog
was part of the scenario that night.
Speaker 16 (20:05):
Uh, she's sang this morning for there's a guy black
male was in there.
Speaker 25 (20:10):
She would recognized him. She and she heard girl screaming upstairs.
She got scared, walked herself in the room and then
screaming all stop. She's pretty sure that this masked person
went out that backing.
Speaker 23 (20:28):
And right now getting off the information, she knows only
two girls up there haven't told hers deceased or anything
like that.
Speaker 25 (20:35):
They just have four people that are unaccount of store
right now.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Which.
Speaker 16 (20:41):
Okay, who's dog, who's dog? Who owns a dog.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Crime Stores with Nancy Gray.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
And I, and as Sydney told us earlier, we find
out the only one that knew what had really happened
was Hunter Johnson, the kid that had his hands up
over his head in anguish.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Listen to Hunter Johnson, I forgot.
Speaker 16 (21:16):
You're here, man? Do you still want to hang out here?
Speaker 20 (21:19):
I just want to know what's going on.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (21:25):
I don't know how much.
Speaker 23 (21:26):
I'm wanted to disclose right now, we're processing what's going
on in the scene. As soon as we know for
sure we can tell you guys what's going on, We
absolutely will.
Speaker 16 (21:39):
I know it sucks to be in the dark with this,
but okay, and what's your what's your relationship again?
Speaker 25 (21:51):
Okay?
Speaker 16 (21:55):
Yeah, man, as soon as soon as I know we're
able to zillion on us on, we'll we'll let you know, okay.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
The results of autopsies indicated that the four were stabbed
multiple times and we're likely asleep during the attack. Some
had defensive wounds, and there was no sign of sexual assault.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Video surveillance shows a white sedan passing the King wrote address.
The sedan returns and stops in front of the King
wrote address sixteen minutes later, the white sedan scratches off,
taking off like a bat out of Hell at a
high speed, leaving the King Road address.
Speaker 26 (22:36):
We're looking for a twenty eleven to a twenty thirteen
the Atlantra, So any assistance you can give us, anybody
that owns one, anybody that knows of someone who owns
one or may have been driving one. If you could
get a hold of us through our tip line or
colls directly, we'd appreciate that.
Speaker 27 (22:56):
Detectives arrested twenty eight year old Brian Christopher Coleburger in Albrightsville,
Pennsylvania on a warrant for murder of ethan Zena Madison
and Kaylee Coburger resides in Pullman, Washington, who is a
graduate student at Washington State University, just.
Speaker 15 (23:19):
Around three am. In fact, it might have been even
a little earlier. A man named Brian Christopher Coburger was
taken into custody in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. That is nearly three
thousand miles away, in fact, much more more than twenty
five hundred miles away from the crime scene here in Moscow, Idaho.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Let's see the timeline, isn't it true?
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Caitlin Cornick joining us from the Sun that Coburger we
can prove turned his phone off and on the night
of the murders, Yes, two forty two, his phone is
on at his apartment in Pullman. To forty seven, he
turns his phone off. Who on this panel turns your
phone off when you're going driving in the middle of
(24:10):
the night. I would keep mine on just in case
I had a nine to one one. Anyway, he turns
his off.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
We know that, and that is ear refutable.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
To forty seven. This guy is up and about turning
his phone off. Three twenty nine, not cell phone, but
video surveillance from a nearby home. A residence shows a
white sedan passing the King wrote address.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
That looks oops just like his white Elantra for zero four.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
The sedan returns and stops in front of the King
wrote address.
Speaker 20 (24:58):
Four.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Twenty sixty minutes later, the white sedan scratches off, taking
off like a bat out of Hell at a high speed,
leaving the King road address. And then twenty eight minutes
later that phone is turned back on and it's pinging
(25:19):
south of Moscow, Idaho State Highway ninety five. The defense
is arguing that Coburger was driving south of Pullman, where
he goes to school at Washington State University, and west
of Moscow, Coburger's residence on the left.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
I drove it myself.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
It's about an eight and a half to twelve minute
drive from Coburger's apartment to the crime scene where the
victims lived on King Road. Defense claiming Coburger driving south
of Pullman and that's Pullman, Washington and west of Moscow,
Idaho quote as he often did to hike and run
(26:05):
or see the moon and stars. The two towns Pullman
and Moscow are only ten miles apart, so really quick
drive compared to his long, circuitous route he took home
when he turned his cell.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Phone back on.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Idaho murder suspect Brian Koberger gets pulled over by law
enforcement two times, not just in one day, but actually
within minutes of each other, on his way for Thanksgiving
break to his parents' home near the Poconos.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
I just got to say, two times within minutes. That's
no coincidence.
Speaker 16 (26:48):
How y'all doing today?
Speaker 7 (26:51):
Good?
Speaker 24 (26:51):
Good?
Speaker 22 (26:52):
Take a look at your driver's lines.
Speaker 16 (26:53):
Is real quick as I could.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
See, he's right up on that man.
Speaker 16 (26:57):
Man, you right up on the back end of that
van old jover for tailgating? Is this your car? Okay?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Cool?
Speaker 16 (27:07):
Where you headed?
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Well?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
We coming from WSU?
Speaker 7 (27:17):
Where are you headed? He later says, We're going for
tie food and the Dad's like, what uh? You were
seeing bodycam video when a Hancock County, Indiana Sheriff's department
bodycam when they pull them over and ask to see
Coburger's driver's license. Now, it was arguing back and forth,
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and I claimed vehemently that this was no coincidence because
there were two pullovers by local l E law enforcement
in one trip home. When does that happen? How often
do you get pulled over? I rarely get pulled over,
So you get pulled over twice and you never even
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get a ticket. Oh no, that's stunt. To high heaven
with me right now. Howard Bloom, author of a brand
new book When the Night Comes Falling a Requiem for
the IO student Murders, which is amazing, and in his
book he outlines how these two pullovers nearly costs the
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FBI their investigation, or so they thought.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Take a listen to more of the pullover.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
What's WSU?
Speaker 17 (28:34):
Yeahs burd that is wat's you Maria A sure.
Speaker 16 (28:44):
Okay, I have a hard time period because of the traffic.
So you're coming from Washington State University and you're.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Going where, oh wouldn't be going back to?
Speaker 16 (28:56):
Okay, Yeah, we're.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
A little fighting much.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
How to Howard Bloom, I'm gonna circle back to the
fact that, unasked, he starts talking about talking about SWAT's team,
SWAT Team swarming the area.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Methink, thou dost protest too much. In the immortal words
of William Shakespeare.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Nobody asked, Nobody asked about the Idaho murders.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Yet he's dead.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
He's just regurgitating, vomiting the information when nobody asked. But
I want to circle back to the so called hat
box operation that you described.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
So well in your book When the Night Comes Falling?
Speaker 7 (29:40):
Explain and why did the FBI, who absolutely was following
Coburger as he and his dad across the country, thought
that their entire operation may go up in flames.
Speaker 13 (29:54):
Well, as you point out, the FBI decided that Coburger
was a person enough interest. They decided this earlier before
they even told the Moscow Task Force. They kept this
to themselves for either one of two reasons. The first
reason was that it was the identification was based on
the genealogy genetics investigative genetic genealogy, and they thought that
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wouldn't hold up in court. Or a much more cynical
explanation would be that the FBI didn't want to share
the credit for Coburg's arrest with anyone else. So they
go off and follow him, and they have cars, they
have a plane in the air that's following his route,
and suddenly they see Coburger being stopped, and they don't
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know what's going on, and they don't know what to do.
They think a local cop, a local sheriff had seen
the be on the lookout for notice and swooped in
on this Hondai a Lantra, or they're also wondering how
is Coburger going to react he is a suspect and
a quadruple homicide. Is he going to get on the
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you know, put his foot on the accelerator and tear out,
or perhaps he's going to shoot anything as possible of
the officer who's coming in to give him this traffic ticket.
Then nine minutes.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
Later, it's almost laughable, Howard, because the FBI actually has
a bird in the air watching they see one pullover
by the Hancock Kenny Sheriffs, and Coburger goes on his way.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
And then there's another pullover.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Don't you know.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
They're like, what is happening down there?
Speaker 7 (31:39):
Why are they pulling over our quadruple murders suspect. I'm
sure they were just and they couldn't say anything. And
they're watching from a bird right, yes.
Speaker 13 (31:52):
They have assess they're flying overhead. You know, it's a
hawk waiting to swoop down in case anything happens. In effect,
and they've been building this case for six weeks and
they're finally getting closer and they think the whole case
is going to be blown apart before they've connected all
the dots, and they are filled with a sense of panic,
but discipline.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
What Howard, They were right and this is no offense
to Indiana at all. But I understand where the FBI
is coming from, and you know how much I hate
the Feds. But that said Chris mcdonnad joining me, director
Cole Case Foundation, former homicide detective, and start of the
interview room on YouTube. Chris, if they had stopped Coburger
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and he nutted up and they arrested him or sped off.
Anything could have happened because we can't we can't predict
what Coburger is going to do.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Just like his father, he had no idea what a
son might do. We would never have gotten the evidence.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
That we got when they finally got home to the
Pocono area, remember they were surveilled.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
They went in finally or in the early morning hours,
they catch I think, in his.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Shorts or underwear, wearing plastic gloves and separating his trash
from everybody else's trash, and they see him go throwing
trash in the neighbor's receptacle. None of that would have
happened if local authorities had arrested Coburger for a traffic violation,
or if Coburger.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Spun out and brought about his own arrest. So I
understand why they were worried.
Speaker 20 (33:30):
Yeah, absolutely, And not only that. If you remember, this
officer is leaning in, so if he would have seen
anything in plane view, any blood transfer or anything like that,
well the clock starts ticking right then and there. If
this officer starts diving into this traffic stop, that you
may have this fugitive task Force surveillance team you know,
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overhead and behind him, going, hey, what.
Speaker 16 (33:54):
The heck is going on here?
Speaker 20 (33:55):
You know, this thing could have gone south really fast,
but fortunately they cut him loose and they were able
to connect those stocks.
Speaker 16 (34:03):
The man hearing here where.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Miss Taylor is, mister Coberger prepared to plead.
Speaker 21 (34:10):
To these charges.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Feels because mister Coberger is Sandy silent.
Speaker 16 (34:19):
I'm going to enter not guilty.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Police.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Each charge has one, two, three, four, and five.
Speaker 14 (34:31):
During the quiet morning hours of November thirteen, twenty twenty two,
a faceless coward reached the tranquility of six beautiful young
people and senselessly slaughtered them four of them. Who committed
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this unspeakable evil was unknown for several weeks, but due
to the killers in competence and outstanding police work by
numerous local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies, the person
that slithered through that sliding glass door at one one
two two King Road now stands before the world and
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this court unmasked. This unfathomable and senseless act of evil
has caused immeasurable pain and loss. No parent should ever
have to bury their child. This is the greatest tragedy
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that can be inflicted upon a person.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
Brian Coburger takes a plea deal to save his own skin.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Why was that allowed?
Speaker 7 (35:49):
How in the world did Brian Coburger escape trial in
the last hours, that deal with the devil goes down
in open court. But I want you to see the
prosecutor choking on his own words, breaking down, crying in court.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Watch on November.
Speaker 28 (36:10):
Thirteenth, twenty twenty two. Excuse me, miss Coberger entered the
residence of eleven twenty two King Road in Moscow, Idaho.
He did that with the intent to kill. We will
not represent that he intended to commit all of the
murders that he did that night, but we know that
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that is what resulted, and that he then killed intentionally, willfully, deliberately,
with premeditation, and with mouse forethought. Manny Mogan, Kate we
CON's office, Ethan Chapin and.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Sat really.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Save it.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Your tears mean nothing.
Speaker 18 (36:58):
You stood there when you took the deal over the
objections of some victims' families, and I agree with them.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
At first, I thought it wouldn't happen. I thought maybe
the media was wrong. Reports could be wrong, couldn't they
But then it went down in the last hours in
a court of law, it's done, it's over. Brian Koberger
will never face the death penalty. He won't even face trial.
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The victims' families will never have answers. Listen to what
Steve and Christy gunsolve Is say about this plea deal.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
We lost our minds.
Speaker 21 (37:42):
We were in that meet. I mean we were screaming,
we were tussing, we were yelling, we were saying, why
did you do this?
Speaker 1 (37:47):
How did you do this?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
You know what happened.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
You just talked to us on Friday and told us that,
you know, you had every anticipation of taking.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
This all the way.
Speaker 19 (38:00):
He accepted the plea deal within the same hour that
he got it. This man never wanted to fight for
our children.
Speaker 14 (38:06):
Literally, I mean it.
Speaker 19 (38:07):
They fought for their lives, for their very last breath,
and this man had no fighting it. They fought hard
all the way to the end, and he gave up
within an hour of being given an opportunity to quit
on these kids.
Speaker 14 (38:19):
Did you on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, we entered
the residents at one one two two King Road in Moscow, Idaho,
with the intent to commit the fallony crime of murder.
Speaker 16 (38:32):
Yes, did you.
Speaker 14 (38:37):
On November thirteenth, twenty twenty two in Leaytah County, State
of Idaho, kill and murder Madison Mogan a human being?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (38:47):
And did you do that willfully and lawfully, deliberately and
with premeditation and melos a forethought?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (38:54):
Did you, Honor about that same date in Moscow, Idaho,
kill and murder Kaylee Gonzalez a human being?
Speaker 16 (39:01):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (39:02):
And did you do that wilfully, unlawfully, deliberately and with
premeditation and malica forethought?
Speaker 19 (39:08):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (39:10):
And did you on that same date in Moscow, Idaho,
kill and murder Xana Kernodle a human being?
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (39:17):
And did you do that wilfully, unlawfully deliberately, with premeditation
and malica forethought?
Speaker 16 (39:22):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (39:24):
And then on we're about November thirteenth, twenty twenty two
again in Leaytok County, Idaho, did you kill and murder
Ethan Chapin a human being?
Speaker 17 (39:34):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (39:35):
Did you do that wilfully and lawfully deliberately, with premeditation
and malica forethought?
Speaker 16 (39:40):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (39:40):
With respect to count one burglary felony, how do you
plead mister Colberger guilty or not guilty? Guilty as to
count two murder in the first degree, the murder of
Madison Mogan. How do you plead guilty or not guilty
guilty as to count three for the murder of Kaylee Gonsalves.
How do you plead guilty You're not guilty guilty as
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to count four? First degree murder of Xana Kernodle human being?
How do you plead guilty or not guilty guilty as
to count five? First degree murder of Ethan Chapin. How
do you plead guilty or not guilty?
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Guilty?
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Guys, we're showing you photos of the victims in this
case who are brutally murdered. From the beginning, we were
told they were murdered in their sleep.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
That's not true, that is not true. Joining me, Susan Hendrix,
you know her well.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
She's been with us all day long outside the courthouse.
She's the author of Down the Hill, My Descend into
the double murder in Delphi, and now she has latched
onto this case like nobody's business.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
I want to welcome Susan Hendricks for being with us.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
Susan, we found out now that Xana had come down
the stairs and she fought for her life.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
She fought for her life. It's nothing like what we
were told to start.
Speaker 29 (41:02):
With, absolutely, and when new details come out, they're just
more excruciating for the family. We have heard that maybe
she saw something heard something was getting of course the
door dash as you know, and then maybe he chased her.
You mentioned, and I thought this was key, that this
is all they had.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Was today.
Speaker 29 (41:20):
I was in the courtroom and I could see it
Nancy building the tension. Kaylee's father, his knee was shaking.
He was to the right of me and his knee
was shaking, and I could tell he was going through
what he was going to say. So he's almost like practicing.
And it's all they had, and they gave it everything.
They've been wanting to say this for so long. Everything
that they wanted to say.
Speaker 30 (41:40):
My sister Kayley and her best friend Maddie were not
yours to take.
Speaker 8 (41:44):
You're a delusional, pathetic, hypochondriac loser.
Speaker 24 (41:49):
Oh man, You're going to go to hell.
Speaker 25 (41:53):
You're evil.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
There's no place for you in heaven today.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
You have no name.
Speaker 14 (41:59):
Nobody cares about you.
Speaker 7 (42:00):
You.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
You're a joke, complete joke.
Speaker 30 (42:03):
You'll be forgotten, discarded, used in e raced if you
hadn't attacked them in their sleep in the middle of
the night like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked your ass.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 7 (42:22):
The families of the four victims filing out of that courtroom.
Many people call it closure. Let me inform you there
is no such thing as closure when the.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Person you love the most is murdered.
Speaker 14 (42:39):
All right, mister Colberger, you have an opportunity to make
a statement if you wish to.
Speaker 16 (42:43):
I take it you are declining.
Speaker 20 (42:45):
I respectfully decline.
Speaker 14 (42:47):
I mind not able to come up with anything redeeming
about mister Coberger, because his grotesque acts of evil have
buried in hidden anything that might have been good or
intrinsically human about him. His actions have made him the
worst of the worst. Even in pleading guilty, is giving
nothing hinting of remorse or redemption, nothing suggesting even a
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recognition or understanding, let alone regret for the pain that
he has caused. And therefore I will not attempt to
speak about him further other than to simply sentence him,
so that he is forever removed from civilized society. I
hereby sentence mister Coberger, as follows on count one Burglary
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ten years fixed zero years indeterminate. Count two, first degree
murder of Madison Mogen, I sentence the defendant to a
fixed term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.
On count three, for first degree murder of Kaylee Gonsalves,
I sentenced the defendant to a fixed term of life
imprisonment without the possibility of parole. On count four, for
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the first degree murder of Santa Kernola Well, I sentenced
the defendant to a fixed term of life imprisonment without
the possibility of parole. On count five, for the first
degree murder of Ethan Chapin, I sentenced the defendant to
a fixed term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.
The sentences on counts one, two, three, four, and five
shall run consecutively to one another.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Xanna was everyone's best friend.
Speaker 7 (44:23):
She knew how precious and special life was, yet her
story was cut short by an active evil.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
They were two pieces of a whole, the perfect Yin
and yang.
Speaker 9 (44:35):
Man.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
He was their gift of life or purpose and our hope.
Speaker 6 (44:39):
We were grow old without our only child.
Speaker 7 (44:49):
Eerie leaked jail videos of Brian Coburger with bright red hands, red.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Red compared to the rest of his arm, bright red hands.
Speaker 7 (45:06):
As American psycho type shirtless selfies emerged on his phone
and straight out to any Elisee joining us creator CEO
of tent to Life, Annie, thank you.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
For being with us. Let's look at the Oh, look
at the hands.
Speaker 7 (45:24):
We're looking at it right now. I don't know if
you can see it on your monitor. And here he
is obsessive, obsessively cleaning the cracks and the little line
that goes around the bottom of your shoe.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
What he got it in muddy behind bars?
Speaker 7 (45:40):
No, but he's recleaning and re cleaning his shoes and
looking around awkwardly, looks very much. You know, if this
is telling me something else is telling me that the
way he looked in sentencing and the.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Way he looked in court is how he really looked.
Kind of a blank dead stare.
Speaker 7 (46:04):
Okay, first of all, I want to analyze everything I
can glean from this leaked video, and who leaked it
is anybody's guests, You know, jails are falling over themselves
to say it's not ours, it's not ours. Hey, it's
somebody's straight out to any at least any what do
you observe in the video.
Speaker 31 (46:25):
I think it's so interesting because of course everybody is
glued to this trying to analyze it, because it's really
the first movements we have seen it for three years
of him.
Speaker 21 (46:35):
And we know we've heard that he has OCD.
Speaker 31 (46:38):
So he's carefully cleaning the shoe. But I think what
strikes everybody as odd is when he's done cleaning it,
he puts that tissue up on top of the cage
and he just stares there, very still, very intently, looking
above the monitor that's in that cage, and almost looks
as though he's just thinking or evaluating it.
Speaker 21 (46:57):
And it's really eerie.
Speaker 7 (46:59):
The video is infuriating victims' rights advocates who think about
the brutality and how these four beautiful young students were murdered.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
And now he has what a penhouse sweet at.
Speaker 7 (47:14):
The jail, he's got a huge bed by jail house
standards as opposed to a bunk. He has, look at this,
plenty of walking around room, shelfs, multiple pairs of shoes.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
He's he's doing fine.
Speaker 7 (47:33):
The Elite video has yet to be verified by authorities,
but now his selfies his freaky American psychotype selfies are emerging.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Listen.
Speaker 32 (47:45):
Besides the chilling selfie he took giving the thumbs up
hours after murdering four university students, Coburger's cell phone is
filled with creepy selfies posing shirtless and flexing his muscles.
Speaker 7 (47:57):
I've got to talk to Susan Hendrix joining us about
the creepy selfies, the shirtless selfies, new ones that have
just emerged.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
Oh dear lord, I'm gonna have to report on them.
Just hold that.
Speaker 24 (48:10):
What the hey?
Speaker 1 (48:12):
What okay?
Speaker 7 (48:16):
Tell me, Susan, tell me what this is and why
I'm having to look at Coburger without a shirt on,
flexing and staring into the camera.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
Why is this happening?
Speaker 21 (48:28):
Yeah, they are cringe worthy.
Speaker 29 (48:30):
And for the company that look through his data hisself,
they found out that he does.
Speaker 7 (48:35):
He actually have his pants pulled down toward his crotch
so I can see more of his belly button hair.
What you know, like in the Sports Illustrated magazine, you
know cover the swimsuit is pulled down just a tantalizing
bit too low.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Is that what he's doing?
Speaker 21 (48:56):
Iw youw It's gross, It's cringe worthy.
Speaker 29 (49:00):
I feel sorry for the families who have to look
at that, and I was looking at each picture getting
grossed out by the way, but kind of wondering what
is he thinking there?
Speaker 21 (49:07):
He didn't send these to anyone there for himself. It
reminded me of American Psycho. That movie Just Loving Himself
is cringeworthy, disgusting. There he is flexing. It's perplexing seeing
all this evidence of what was on his phone.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 7 (49:32):
Joining US forensics expert psychologist doctor Sherry Schwartz.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
His obsession with American Psycho.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
I don't get it, But can I talk to you
about his preening in front of the camera and flexing
and what it means.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
It's like Monk.
Speaker 7 (49:50):
Did you ever say Monk Monk only wore a certain
brilliant homicide investigator. He only wore one time of shirt
every day. I think it was a pale blue button down,
just like in this case. Occasionally Coburg will go crazy
and we're a white button down. But that said, they're
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lined up behind him and some of the shots. What
is this revealing to you? Because the crime scene is
blood soaked, it looks like a Jackson Pollock. The closet
and the home where he takes these pictures, is like
bleached clean, and there's this freaky row of all blue
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button down shirts behind him.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
What is that, doctor Sherry.
Speaker 33 (50:42):
I mean a part of it could be his fascination
with some level of fame, even if it is something
he'll keep internally to feel better about himself. That he's
just like Christian Vale in American Psycho, but he'll do
it better and not get caught. We know how that
worked out. These selfies are disturbing because we know that
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they're not being sent to anyone. They would be disturbing
if they're being sent to someone, but in this case,
these are for him. And so it suggested to me
that he has some sort of internal dialogue going on
where he's fascinated with this idea of.
Speaker 7 (51:20):
Got to Sherry, got to Sherry, got to Sherry. Wait wait,
I want you to look at the screen right now. Okay,
Susan Hendrix, he is saluting.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
The camera. Now, is this particular shot this was taken
after the murders? Correct Susan Hendrix.
Speaker 21 (51:37):
It absolutely was, and you see that on his knuckle
there the injury.
Speaker 7 (51:45):
Brian Koberger is contesting his plea deal, renigging on some
of the.
Speaker 4 (51:51):
Orders in exchange for life over the death penalty.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Can the case now go to trial.
Speaker 7 (51:58):
It's my understanding to Dave Matt, Crime Story's investigative reporter,
that Coburger is bulking at paying for the victims earns
and other expenses.
Speaker 12 (52:10):
Right exactly, Nancy.
Speaker 24 (52:12):
The shocking part of it is that in that plea deal,
all of this was already negotiated. All of this was
part of it so that he could avoid going to
trial and avoid the needle or the gun. And yet
now they're going back in and saying, well, we need
to send this to the mathematicians that accounting at the
States determine whether or not he's able to pay for it,
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because he's in prison for the rest of his life,
and that actually is something that he's not allowed to do.
This plea bargain said he could not go back later
and appeal it. He couldn't contest any aspect of it,
and in so doing, Nancy, I wonder why have they
not already said, boom over, you're going to trial.
Speaker 4 (52:56):
Well, the judge seems to agree with you.
Speaker 17 (52:58):
Dave Matt, listen to Hippler, So you took advantage of
the plea agreement to get the benefit of the bargain
regarding the state's dropping of the death penalty.
Speaker 14 (53:09):
Why should you not be held to the plea agreement
to pay the victims the costs in turning their children?
Speaker 7 (53:19):
I mean, for Pete's sake, does Judge Hippler have to
feed the prosecution with a silver spoon? Here's your way
out of this disastrous plea deal out of all of
your lies and your secret deals. Coburger is contesting restitution
that was part of the deal.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
So deal is off. I mean, can the judge make
it any more clear?
Speaker 17 (53:46):
Listen to Hippler, what's the point of the plea agreement
on restitution if the defense is able to argue against
the restitution called for in the plea agreement itself?
Speaker 4 (53:57):
And it's not an issue? Is it to Annie?
Speaker 7 (54:00):
At least joining us from seriously Annie, he's got at
least a five figure amount of money in his commissary account.
Speaker 31 (54:11):
It's unbelievable, first and foremost, the fact that people are
sending an admitted quadruple murderer tens of thousands of dollars.
Then for him to be contesting payment the restitution that
is outlined. And I'm sorry, but three thousand dollars for
the earns is that the going rate these.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Days for a life?
Speaker 21 (54:30):
It's just if he's afforded.
Speaker 31 (54:31):
These comforts of ramen, toilet trees, different treats with his commissary,
why should he get more comforts than the victims were
ever afforded.
Speaker 7 (54:41):
Straight out to Christy and Steve Gonsalves joining us, the
fact that Coburger is contesting issues within the plea deal,
that's not the banner the important part of this. We
know he's contesting paying restitution. Could that and resind renig
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the plea deal? Because if he is backing out of
conditions of the plea deal, then the deal is off.
Have you considered this could take the case to trial.
If Coburger himself is refusing to pay restitution as ordered
in the plea deal.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
I would love for that to happen.
Speaker 5 (55:27):
But I feel like it's all just games and none
of it is taken serious, Like, oh, he doesn't want
to pay his restitution.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Slap slap, slap.
Speaker 5 (55:35):
You can't do that, pay your restitution, move on.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
Well, this is what it boils down to.
Speaker 7 (55:40):
Steve.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
Let's look at this, so I take a play deal
twenty to serve, all right, and the defendant thing goes, yeah,
I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to
do twenty.
Speaker 7 (55:54):
Well, then the deal is off. Pay your restitution is
an important part of that deal. And if Coburger contests it, fine,
I'd be mad if he didn't. Now, let's go to trial.
That is possible. He's nigging on the deal.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
That's on him.
Speaker 7 (56:13):
So what you'd have to do, what we would have
to do, is get Thompson off this case. He can't
try this case. Someone else, an independent prosecutor, would have
to try it, which.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Would be great.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
I would love to see that.
Speaker 34 (56:28):
This guy has been trying to control the narrative, you know,
pKa from the very beginning the mini he even got
in prison, he started writing up complaints and started doing
formalities and Saytan, you're gonna transfer me, You're gonna do this,
You're gonna do that. We got to just put our
foot down to these kind of psychopath killers and stop
entertaining them and stop treating them with baby gloves. It's
just it's just disgusting, and we're doing it all the
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way up. Three years later joining.
Speaker 7 (56:55):
Us tonight, Christy and Steve Gonsolve, thank you, thank you
for being with us. I know that every time you
have to talk about this, it just brings it all
up again. If you could have your wish, which of
course would be to have Kelly back, what is your wish, Christy?
Speaker 5 (57:17):
The wish of wanting Keay back is obviously that that's
not possible. So my only other wish would be for
him to hurry up and take a sauce breath. Him
being dead would be great.
Speaker 34 (57:29):
I will try to make something positive out of it
as much as you possibly can. And I feel like
that's what me, O, Livy and the family's doing is
we're trying to put some actions we're trying to put
We're trying to rally around anyone who we see something
disgusting and puts their foot down and says, all right,
I've had enough. I think that's that's the best we
can do. And if we can take this murder and
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all the people's attention on it and say, hey, there's
no point of having red flags if we're not doing
something about it. And we see all these killers, and
we look back at their past behaviors and there's all
these red black but just no not enough action behind them.
People just dodging the bullets, just saying we didn't know
he was a normal person.
Speaker 19 (58:10):
No, you did know.
Speaker 34 (58:11):
There was things there. There was girls making complaints all
around this individual, over and over, and you just refuse
to listen to them. You just refuse to do something
when they were crying out for help. And it's happening
all the way to today. We're going to loose tens
of thousand dollars because the prosecutor refused to help us.
If he couldn't do it, he didn't, whatever the reason
he failed us.
Speaker 7 (58:31):
There could be a way around this deal with the devil?
But now will it happen? I am begging the FEDS
to intervene. I am begging a court to investigate this
and appoint an independent prosecutor. How can we stand by
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and hear? Are these families.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
Pain and do nothing? The current US Attorney for the
Idaho District is Bart M.
Speaker 4 (59:04):
Davis. Repeat, Bart M. Davis.
Speaker 7 (59:08):
The number two zero eight three three four one two
one one two zero eight three three four one two
one one. You have the knowledge, use it? Is there
a way out of this deal with the devil? The
local prosecutor struck with Brian Coburger. Can we get Coburger
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to trial? Now we remember an American hero Border Patrol Agent,
Freddie or Tease, US Department Homeland Security, killed in the
line of duty after thirteen years serving and protecting, leaving
behind his grieving mother. American hero Patrol Agent Freddie or Tease.
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Thank you to our guest tonight, but especially to you
for being with us. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight.
I'll see you tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend,
m HM.
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Your name and they.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Like you all work at the University of Actually.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
You're nothing.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
When those prison doors slams shot behind you. I hope
that sound echoes in your heart for the rest of
your meaningless days.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
On the evening of November twelfth and into the early
morning hours of November thirteenth, Kaylee and Madison arrived home
at approximately one forty five am after visiting a local
bar and a street food vendor. Ethan and Xana were
also out in the community at Sigma Chai, and they
(01:23):
arrived home at approximately one AM. Two surviving roommates who
were also at in the community arrived home at approximately
one AM.
Speaker 7 (01:33):
Now we're getting a peak at what was happening in
those early morning hours around.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Four a m.
Speaker 7 (01:40):
So far we know they were all out really late,
some of them in a group.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
They were at a food truck.
Speaker 7 (01:47):
Everybody at that food truck and standing in the group
fell under suspicion.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I recall there was a guy in the distance.
Speaker 7 (01:56):
All these people were tracked down and questioned.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
See the guy on the riot kind of standing away.
He was found.
Speaker 7 (02:06):
He was everybody was found and questioned. So we know
they were at a food truck Super super early.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
In the morning.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
I'm talking one, two, three am. We know they went home.
We know some of them ordered like Uber eats. These
are the last known images of some of the victims,
and this became an evidentiary football at the beginning of
(02:38):
the investigation, as LA law enforcement tried to track their
last movements and who they would have come in contact with.
They go home, then naysayers immediately began vilifying Dylan and
Bethany because they quote waited to call nine to one one.
(02:59):
But I want you to see the text conversation between
Dylan and Bethany.
Speaker 8 (03:06):
No one is answering. I'm really confused right now.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah, dude, what the Xana was wearing all black?
Speaker 8 (03:12):
I'm freaking out right now. No, it's like a ski mask.
Almost shut the f up. Actually, like he had something
over his forehead and mouth. Bethany, I'm not kidding. I'm
so freaked out. So a mine, my phone is going
to die.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Come to my room, run down here.
Speaker 8 (03:30):
I'm screwed though, Yeah, I know, but it's better than
being alone.
Speaker 7 (03:33):
Sidney Sumner joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter Sydney Let's
put this into context. Of course, the cell phone data
experts are going to know exactly what time these texts
were going back and forth between them. Dylan Mortenson's phone
was dying and Bethany was trying to coax Heart to
(03:54):
run to her room. Can you imagine running from room
to room knowing that there's an intruder or thinking there's
an intruder in the home. Tell me what you've gleaned
about these text messages, Sidney Nancy.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I think these text messages are between two terrified co
eds who don't know what's going on and have been
out all night partying, drinking. So unfortunately they are not
sober at this point. And their house is known to
have sometimes strangers in it. They throw parties often, they
(04:31):
have a lot of friends. There's five people living there,
so in terms of having a stranger in the house,
that's not super uncommon for them. And even if this
person was not somebody they recognized and fruit them out,
they might not immediately call nine to one one, not
knowing whether or not this is someone who is supposed
(04:53):
to be there at that point.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
On the morning of November thirteenth, at eleven fifty eight am,
a nine call was placed the call reported an unconscious person.
The call originated from inside the residence and the surviving
roommates cell phone was used.
Speaker 9 (05:14):
On location of your emergency.
Speaker 10 (05:16):
Something is happening to you don't know what?
Speaker 9 (05:20):
What is the address of the emergency? What is the
rest of the address?
Speaker 11 (05:33):
Oh, King two roads?
Speaker 9 (05:35):
Okay?
Speaker 10 (05:36):
And is that a house or an apartment? Did the house?
Speaker 9 (05:39):
Can you repeat the address to make sure that I
have it right?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I'll talk to you guys. We're we live at the lights,
so we're next to them.
Speaker 10 (05:48):
I need someone to repeat the address for verification.
Speaker 9 (05:51):
The address one one to to King Drugs. Tell me
exactly what's going on.
Speaker 12 (05:58):
One of our one of.
Speaker 13 (05:59):
The roommates who pass out and she's drunk class and.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Shedn't wake me up?
Speaker 10 (06:04):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Oh and they saw some man in their house house night.
Speaker 12 (06:08):
Yeah right?
Speaker 9 (06:10):
Just men, are you in the patient?
Speaker 14 (06:11):
Okay?
Speaker 10 (06:12):
I need someone to keep the phone, stop passing it around.
Can I just tell you what happened?
Speaker 12 (06:17):
Pretty much?
Speaker 10 (06:18):
What is going on currently? If someone passed out right now?
Speaker 15 (06:22):
I don't really know what pretty much at four m okay,
I need.
Speaker 10 (06:25):
To know what's going on right now. If someone has
passed out, can you find that out?
Speaker 9 (06:29):
Yeah, I'll come, come on up the mudical.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
Check what we have to And there you hear the
surviving victim speaking, and she begins to tell what happened.
She says pretty much at four a m. And the
dispatch operator cuts in and goes, yeah, I don't need
to know that. I need to know if somebody passed out.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Can you find that out? Okay, let's keep going.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
She's not waking up.
Speaker 10 (07:08):
Yeah, okay, one moment, I'm getting help started that way,
we'll give me.
Speaker 9 (07:31):
Okay, and how old is she?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Tom?
Speaker 10 (07:34):
She's twenty.
Speaker 9 (07:36):
Twenty?
Speaker 12 (07:37):
You said, yes, twenty, here's okay.
Speaker 10 (07:42):
Hello, Hello, Okay, I need someone to stop passing the
phone around because I've talked to four different people.
Speaker 16 (07:48):
Hey, sorry, they just gave me the phone.
Speaker 9 (07:50):
Is she breathing?
Speaker 17 (07:51):
She?
Speaker 14 (07:52):
Hello?
Speaker 16 (07:53):
Is she breathing?
Speaker 14 (07:54):
No?
Speaker 12 (07:55):
Okay, Well I can't you talk too?
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Hello?
Speaker 10 (08:04):
Okay, may have already shurent to the ambulance and law enforcement.
Stay on the line.
Speaker 9 (08:09):
If there is a defibrillator available, send someone to get
it now and tell me when.
Speaker 10 (08:12):
You have it.
Speaker 11 (08:13):
Okay, boy again, there's a police here right now.
Speaker 9 (08:17):
Okay.
Speaker 10 (08:17):
If there's a defibrillator available, send someone to get it
now and tell me when you have it.
Speaker 18 (08:22):
You don't.
Speaker 9 (08:25):
Yet.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Did you have a desibulator?
Speaker 19 (08:28):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (08:28):
Do you have one?
Speaker 10 (08:30):
Are you talking to the officer?
Speaker 7 (08:32):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (08:32):
Okay, I'm gonna let you go so she's there with
you and can help you.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Okay, thank you, fine, Okay, we're Moscow Police officers responded
and found two victims, two on the second floor and
two on the third floor of eleven twenty two King.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
Road inside hell h E double L horrific new body
camp video emerging inside the murder saying and it reveals
the truth for sure.
Speaker 16 (09:04):
Yep or share or share.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
We're at and you gotters out. Here's here.
Speaker 20 (09:16):
You've got to call.
Speaker 7 (09:19):
You know you.
Speaker 16 (09:21):
And I checking us down.
Speaker 21 (09:27):
And I can't re use you agree with you?
Speaker 13 (09:30):
And I checket.
Speaker 16 (09:34):
Let's slow down. There's a good news. Come here. It's
there's two okay.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Doddies Sydney. What we're hearing is the officer who arrives
at the scene. There are four people standing outside. Let's
see the video. The group is huddled outside and we
hear the officer speaking to the friend hunter Johnson, and
(10:01):
Johnson is saying, up here, up here, I just came
to check in here and this is what I found.
I checked to see if she's breathing, and she's I
think this is going to be not I didn't check
him yet, referring to Ethan. Then you hear a Moscow
first responder state looks like dead bodies.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yes, this is the absolute first response to this home
after getting that nine to.
Speaker 17 (10:27):
One one call.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
And during that call, the girls in the house try
to explain what happened that they think they saw someone
at four am, but the officer, the dispatcher, just wants
to know exactly who they can try and help. So
immediately after we see what we saw in the cut
that just played, EMT's start rushing up to the house,
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and this officer who was the first on scene, who
first went to check on everything, he has to stop
this group of twenty five ants that show up to
the house and say, you know, we don't think we
need your services.
Speaker 16 (11:06):
Nobody's allowed to leave for now. Okay, just stay here
for me, please.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Do you know they here?
Speaker 16 (11:30):
Can you guys go over to the dumpster for me?
Speaker 22 (11:33):
Please let me secure the outside first?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Who is there's a backgand try I'll gonna start taking
it all off. Seeing outside off okay.
Speaker 16 (12:05):
Already, doesn't I gotten there?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Shut the dog in there.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
You hear the officer trying to secure it, saying, I've
got to I got to right here, talking about two
dead bodies, I got two right here.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Already.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
The house is clear. In other words, the suspect's not there.
There's not a life suspect there. The house is clear
to walk through. And they shut the dog, which is
common because you don't know when the dog is gonna
go crazy to start biting. You shut the dog in there.
I'm curious where he shut the dog. But before I
analyze that, I want you to hear more from the survivors.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
This is Dylan Morton's Listen, all right, what do.
Speaker 16 (12:50):
You remember you're saying? We started?
Speaker 11 (12:52):
I remember I was in my room and I trying
to go to bed, and they heard Kelley, who I'm
so bad?
Speaker 16 (12:59):
Look real fast, Which one is your room?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Her?
Speaker 16 (13:03):
Which one is your room?
Speaker 12 (13:04):
Oh?
Speaker 16 (13:05):
Room? Are you in here? You were in that room?
Speaker 12 (13:08):
My room is in this room?
Speaker 16 (13:10):
My room and your room. Here's the best one right hand?
Speaker 11 (13:13):
Is that one second floor?
Speaker 16 (13:18):
Okay?
Speaker 12 (13:20):
All I heard was I heard hed go.
Speaker 11 (13:22):
Upstairs and okay, I'm gonna go to seat now.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Because she's going upstairs.
Speaker 16 (13:25):
Heard who go upstairs?
Speaker 11 (13:26):
Kaylee and the dog Murphy.
Speaker 16 (13:29):
And upstairs to the very top.
Speaker 11 (13:31):
Yeah, that's where her room is.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Sydney.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
What is probative about that body camp we just showed.
What does this prove, Sydney.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
So first we have to get in her mind that
the entire time Dylan insists Haylee went upstairs, Kaylee screamed,
Kaylee ran down the stairs, And the officer even points
this out later he says to another officer she somehow
knows she was somehow able to discern this with Kaylee.
(14:05):
But we don't think that's actually true. So we have
to think about the layout of the house. So Kaylee
and Maddie were asleep upstairs. Xanna's room was on the
second floor, where Dylan's room was. So the only thing
that makes sense for somebody to have ran down those
stairs is Xanna, not Kaylee, not Maddie. So we have
(14:27):
to get that in our heads as we're listening to
Dylan's recollection of events. But it just proves to me
that someone was there. These women are correct, someone was
in their house.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
So do you think at the time when we think
Kelly was saying Hey, I'm gonna go to bed.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
I'm gonna go to sleep.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
Do you think he was already in the house, because
now I believe that he was already in there waiting
for them to go to sleep.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I don't think that they all went to their beds
and then he snuck in with you.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And we also learned later that Maddie was the last
person to take Murphy out. So Mattie checks in with
Dylan and bethany one more time. Hey, I lost Murphy.
I can't get him to come inside. Is he with
either of y'all? She's looking for the dog. So again,
this dog who they described for weeks was on edge
(15:22):
before the murders, who was constantly going off into the
woods and wouldn't come back when called, just acting very
very oddly, does the same thing this night when they're
taking him out for the last time. So I'm kind
of feeling like someone was watching as they took the
dog out for the very last time, and maybe snuck
(15:43):
in just behind them as they brought the dog in.
Speaker 11 (15:46):
And then ultimately we're looking up. I heard her scream
and she ran downstairs because she saw someone. That's what
I'm pretty sure she said. She one's here and she's
screamed and just randomn stairs and I called for a name,
but they jumped up and locked my door close.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
So scared.
Speaker 11 (16:02):
And then and I heard someone in the bathroom when
I heard her crying, and I heard some guys say
that you're gonna be okay. I'm gonna help you. And
I kept calling your name, but she wasn't answering. And
then I opened the door for a second and I
saw this guy and he was not insanely told, but
he's doing all black and like this mask. I was
just covering his.
Speaker 12 (16:19):
Forehead and his mouth.
Speaker 11 (16:21):
And I walked the door and I called, and I
didn't know what to do.
Speaker 16 (16:25):
Yes, you left here.
Speaker 11 (16:26):
I left my room down to bed and she's that
went with the white wine at the very bottom. I
run do there and we talked and I just just
locked the door.
Speaker 12 (16:34):
Wouldn't think anything of it.
Speaker 11 (16:35):
We're like, nothing happens in Moscow.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
So we just like tried to go to bed.
Speaker 11 (16:38):
And then we woke up, and it was weird because
none of our roommates were up and we called all
of them. They were not waking up, and so mean,
like this is weird. So I called and come over
and then that's all this happened with me. Say that
boy right there is the girl in there.
Speaker 16 (17:01):
It's the girl that Okay, how do you spoke her name?
Speaker 12 (17:05):
I mean x A n A.
Speaker 16 (17:09):
Do you know she has a middle name Alexis I think?
Do you know what her last name is?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Pronodle kay and Ernestole?
Speaker 12 (17:15):
Really Kate, you know r n O d l k
a E r a e r O k E r
n O n O l d l e.
Speaker 16 (17:27):
Okay, excite n A x A n A Okay, Neves
in there.
Speaker 11 (17:33):
He's actually everybody's.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Here all the time.
Speaker 16 (17:36):
He is a Mallett lives here and he doesn't actually
as the Indusiana. I believe he is right now, but
he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
He doesn't live. Everybody's here a lot.
Speaker 11 (17:45):
And then there's Maddy Mogan and Kayley up top.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I don't know where they're at.
Speaker 9 (17:51):
Mit.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Describe the guy that you tall.
Speaker 11 (17:54):
I don't think he was. He was a little bit
taller than me and I couldn't really see much of him.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But she's I'm almost positive.
Speaker 11 (18:04):
He's bringing a slow back outfit. And he had this
mask that let's just go for his forehead and over
his nose, and he didn't say anything.
Speaker 16 (18:11):
To me, like at all.
Speaker 11 (18:13):
I just shut the door and locked it because I
didn't know what to do. And I think he went
out like the side door, the sliding door in the
kitchen that goes up to the backyard.
Speaker 12 (18:22):
And then I didn't know anything else.
Speaker 11 (18:24):
I called, you know, I was like, I just can't
come downstairs and find because I don't know.
Speaker 16 (18:27):
Where anyone else is.
Speaker 11 (18:28):
And I called Maddie. I called Danna. I called Katie.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
No answer.
Speaker 12 (18:31):
I heard her scream and run like run.
Speaker 11 (18:33):
As fast as she could downstairs, and she said someone's here.
Speaker 12 (18:38):
She yes, I could hear you can hear everything.
Speaker 11 (18:40):
I'm not sure. I heard her run downstairs fast, and
then I heard Murphy barking a lot, okay. And then
I heard her going to the back I think there
was the bathroom, and I remember her stopping and I
just didn't heard this guy's voice and I didn't recognize
saying you're gonna be okay, to help you. But it
was like, I don't know how to explain it, like
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it was it in like a nice way. It was
like a weird way, like a weird tea.
Speaker 23 (19:06):
You're gonna be okay, I'm gonna help you, and you
didn't hear anything from Kaye anymore.
Speaker 16 (19:16):
Then Nuddy about Murphy and then Murphy's a dog.
Speaker 24 (19:21):
Yeah, and then I.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Went outside go to bed and she was so tuky,
you know.
Speaker 12 (19:28):
And then and then my dad liked about a gers
and that he just said that.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
She was Murphy.
Speaker 25 (19:36):
And was what he was letting me the next and
then at what time using Chelsea.
Speaker 16 (19:42):
M.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
You see what's happening here, all the speculation about the dog.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
He had been there before, and he had befriended the dog.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
He knew Murphy, and Murphy was park Murphy the dog
was part of the scenario that night.
Speaker 16 (20:05):
Uh, she's sang this morning for there's a guy black
male was in there.
Speaker 25 (20:10):
She would recognized him. She and she heard girl screaming upstairs.
She got scared, walked herself in the room and then
screaming all stop. She's pretty sure that this masked person
went out that backing.
Speaker 23 (20:28):
And right now getting off the information, she knows only
two girls up there haven't told hers deceased or anything
like that.
Speaker 25 (20:35):
They just have four people that are unaccount of store
right now.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Which.
Speaker 16 (20:41):
Okay, who's dog, who's dog? Who owns a dog.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Crime Stores with Nancy Gray.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
And I, and as Sydney told us earlier, we find
out the only one that knew what had really happened
was Hunter Johnson, the kid that had his hands up
over his head in anguish.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Listen to Hunter Johnson, I forgot.
Speaker 16 (21:16):
You're here, man? Do you still want to hang out here?
Speaker 20 (21:19):
I just want to know what's going on.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (21:25):
I don't know how much.
Speaker 23 (21:26):
I'm wanted to disclose right now, we're processing what's going
on in the scene. As soon as we know for
sure we can tell you guys what's going on, We
absolutely will.
Speaker 16 (21:39):
I know it sucks to be in the dark with this,
but okay, and what's your what's your relationship again?
Speaker 25 (21:51):
Okay?
Speaker 16 (21:55):
Yeah, man, as soon as soon as I know we're
able to zillion on us on, we'll we'll let you know, okay.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
The results of autopsies indicated that the four were stabbed
multiple times and we're likely asleep during the attack. Some
had defensive wounds, and there was no sign of sexual assault.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
Video surveillance shows a white sedan passing the King wrote address.
The sedan returns and stops in front of the King
wrote address sixteen minutes later, the white sedan scratches off,
taking off like a bat out of Hell at a
high speed, leaving the King Road address.
Speaker 26 (22:36):
We're looking for a twenty eleven to a twenty thirteen
the Atlantra, So any assistance you can give us, anybody
that owns one, anybody that knows of someone who owns
one or may have been driving one. If you could
get a hold of us through our tip line or
colls directly, we'd appreciate that.
Speaker 27 (22:56):
Detectives arrested twenty eight year old Brian Christopher Coleburger in Albrightsville,
Pennsylvania on a warrant for murder of ethan Zena Madison
and Kaylee Coburger resides in Pullman, Washington, who is a
graduate student at Washington State University, just.
Speaker 15 (23:19):
Around three am. In fact, it might have been even
a little earlier. A man named Brian Christopher Coburger was
taken into custody in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. That is nearly three
thousand miles away, in fact, much more more than twenty
five hundred miles away from the crime scene here in Moscow, Idaho.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Let's see the timeline, isn't it true?
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Caitlin Cornick joining us from the Sun that Coburger we
can prove turned his phone off and on the night
of the murders, Yes, two forty two, his phone is
on at his apartment in Pullman. To forty seven, he
turns his phone off. Who on this panel turns your
phone off when you're going driving in the middle of
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the night. I would keep mine on just in case
I had a nine to one one. Anyway, he turns
his off.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
We know that, and that is ear refutable.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
To forty seven. This guy is up and about turning
his phone off. Three twenty nine, not cell phone, but
video surveillance from a nearby home. A residence shows a
white sedan passing the King wrote address.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
That looks oops just like his white Elantra for zero four.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
The sedan returns and stops in front of the King
wrote address.
Speaker 20 (24:58):
Four.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Twenty sixty minutes later, the white sedan scratches off, taking
off like a bat out of Hell at a high speed,
leaving the King road address. And then twenty eight minutes
later that phone is turned back on and it's pinging
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south of Moscow, Idaho State Highway ninety five. The defense
is arguing that Coburger was driving south of Pullman, where
he goes to school at Washington State University, and west
of Moscow, Coburger's residence on the left.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
I drove it myself.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
It's about an eight and a half to twelve minute
drive from Coburger's apartment to the crime scene where the
victims lived on King Road. Defense claiming Coburger driving south
of Pullman and that's Pullman, Washington and west of Moscow,
Idaho quote as he often did to hike and run
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or see the moon and stars. The two towns Pullman
and Moscow are only ten miles apart, so really quick
drive compared to his long, circuitous route he took home
when he turned his cell.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Phone back on.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Idaho murder suspect Brian Koberger gets pulled over by law
enforcement two times, not just in one day, but actually
within minutes of each other, on his way for Thanksgiving
break to his parents' home near the Poconos.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
I just got to say, two times within minutes. That's
no coincidence.
Speaker 16 (26:48):
How y'all doing today?
Speaker 7 (26:51):
Good?
Speaker 24 (26:51):
Good?
Speaker 22 (26:52):
Take a look at your driver's lines.
Speaker 16 (26:53):
Is real quick as I could.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
See, he's right up on that man.
Speaker 16 (26:57):
Man, you right up on the back end of that
van old jover for tailgating? Is this your car? Okay?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Cool?
Speaker 16 (27:07):
Where you headed?
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Well?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
We coming from WSU?
Speaker 7 (27:17):
Where are you headed? He later says, We're going for
tie food and the Dad's like, what uh? You were
seeing bodycam video when a Hancock County, Indiana Sheriff's department
bodycam when they pull them over and ask to see
Coburger's driver's license. Now, it was arguing back and forth,
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and I claimed vehemently that this was no coincidence because
there were two pullovers by local l E law enforcement
in one trip home. When does that happen? How often
do you get pulled over? I rarely get pulled over,
So you get pulled over twice and you never even
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get a ticket. Oh no, that's stunt. To high heaven
with me right now. Howard Bloom, author of a brand
new book When the Night Comes Falling a Requiem for
the IO student Murders, which is amazing, and in his
book he outlines how these two pullovers nearly costs the
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FBI their investigation, or so they thought.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Take a listen to more of the pullover.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
What's WSU?
Speaker 17 (28:34):
Yeahs burd that is wat's you Maria A sure.
Speaker 16 (28:44):
Okay, I have a hard time period because of the traffic.
So you're coming from Washington State University and you're.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Going where, oh wouldn't be going back to?
Speaker 16 (28:56):
Okay, Yeah, we're.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
A little fighting much.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
How to Howard Bloom, I'm gonna circle back to the
fact that, unasked, he starts talking about talking about SWAT's team,
SWAT Team swarming the area.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Methink, thou dost protest too much. In the immortal words
of William Shakespeare.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Nobody asked, Nobody asked about the Idaho murders.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Yet he's dead.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
He's just regurgitating, vomiting the information when nobody asked. But
I want to circle back to the so called hat
box operation that you described.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
So well in your book When the Night Comes Falling?
Speaker 7 (29:40):
Explain and why did the FBI, who absolutely was following
Coburger as he and his dad across the country, thought
that their entire operation may go up in flames.
Speaker 13 (29:54):
Well, as you point out, the FBI decided that Coburger
was a person enough interest. They decided this earlier before
they even told the Moscow Task Force. They kept this
to themselves for either one of two reasons. The first
reason was that it was the identification was based on
the genealogy genetics investigative genetic genealogy, and they thought that
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wouldn't hold up in court. Or a much more cynical
explanation would be that the FBI didn't want to share
the credit for Coburg's arrest with anyone else. So they
go off and follow him, and they have cars, they
have a plane in the air that's following his route,
and suddenly they see Coburger being stopped, and they don't
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know what's going on, and they don't know what to do.
They think a local cop, a local sheriff had seen
the be on the lookout for notice and swooped in
on this Hondai a Lantra, or they're also wondering how
is Coburger going to react he is a suspect and
a quadruple homicide. Is he going to get on the
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you know, put his foot on the accelerator and tear out,
or perhaps he's going to shoot anything as possible of
the officer who's coming in to give him this traffic ticket.
Then nine minutes.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
Later, it's almost laughable, Howard, because the FBI actually has
a bird in the air watching they see one pullover
by the Hancock Kenny Sheriffs, and Coburger goes on his way.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
And then there's another pullover.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Don't you know.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
They're like, what is happening down there?
Speaker 7 (31:39):
Why are they pulling over our quadruple murders suspect. I'm
sure they were just and they couldn't say anything. And
they're watching from a bird right, yes.
Speaker 13 (31:52):
They have assess they're flying overhead. You know, it's a
hawk waiting to swoop down in case anything happens. In effect,
and they've been building this case for six weeks and
they're finally getting closer and they think the whole case
is going to be blown apart before they've connected all
the dots, and they are filled with a sense of panic,
but discipline.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
What Howard, They were right and this is no offense
to Indiana at all. But I understand where the FBI
is coming from, and you know how much I hate
the Feds. But that said Chris mcdonnad joining me, director
Cole Case Foundation, former homicide detective, and start of the
interview room on YouTube. Chris, if they had stopped Coburger
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and he nutted up and they arrested him or sped off.
Anything could have happened because we can't we can't predict
what Coburger is going to do.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Just like his father, he had no idea what a
son might do. We would never have gotten the evidence.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
That we got when they finally got home to the
Pocono area, remember they were surveilled.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
They went in finally or in the early morning hours,
they catch I think, in his.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Shorts or underwear, wearing plastic gloves and separating his trash
from everybody else's trash, and they see him go throwing
trash in the neighbor's receptacle. None of that would have
happened if local authorities had arrested Coburger for a traffic violation,
or if Coburger.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Spun out and brought about his own arrest. So I
understand why they were worried.
Speaker 20 (33:30):
Yeah, absolutely, And not only that. If you remember, this
officer is leaning in, so if he would have seen
anything in plane view, any blood transfer or anything like that,
well the clock starts ticking right then and there. If
this officer starts diving into this traffic stop, that you
may have this fugitive task Force surveillance team you know,
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overhead and behind him, going, hey, what.
Speaker 16 (33:54):
The heck is going on here?
Speaker 20 (33:55):
You know, this thing could have gone south really fast,
but fortunately they cut him loose and they were able
to connect those stocks.
Speaker 16 (34:03):
The man hearing here where.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Miss Taylor is, mister Coberger prepared to plead.
Speaker 21 (34:10):
To these charges.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Feels because mister Coberger is Sandy silent.
Speaker 16 (34:19):
I'm going to enter not guilty.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Police.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Each charge has one, two, three, four, and five.
Speaker 14 (34:31):
During the quiet morning hours of November thirteen, twenty twenty two,
a faceless coward reached the tranquility of six beautiful young
people and senselessly slaughtered them four of them. Who committed
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this unspeakable evil was unknown for several weeks, but due
to the killers in competence and outstanding police work by
numerous local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies, the person
that slithered through that sliding glass door at one one
two two King Road now stands before the world and
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this court unmasked. This unfathomable and senseless act of evil
has caused immeasurable pain and loss. No parent should ever
have to bury their child. This is the greatest tragedy
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that can be inflicted upon a person.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
Brian Coburger takes a plea deal to save his own skin.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Why was that allowed?
Speaker 7 (35:49):
How in the world did Brian Coburger escape trial in
the last hours, that deal with the devil goes down
in open court. But I want you to see the
prosecutor choking on his own words, breaking down, crying in court.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Watch on November.
Speaker 28 (36:10):
Thirteenth, twenty twenty two. Excuse me, miss Coberger entered the
residence of eleven twenty two King Road in Moscow, Idaho.
He did that with the intent to kill. We will
not represent that he intended to commit all of the
murders that he did that night, but we know that
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that is what resulted, and that he then killed intentionally, willfully, deliberately,
with premeditation, and with mouse forethought. Manny Mogan, Kate we
CON's office, Ethan Chapin and.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Sat really.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Save it.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Your tears mean nothing.
Speaker 18 (36:58):
You stood there when you took the deal over the
objections of some victims' families, and I agree with them.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
At first, I thought it wouldn't happen. I thought maybe
the media was wrong. Reports could be wrong, couldn't they
But then it went down in the last hours in
a court of law, it's done, it's over. Brian Koberger
will never face the death penalty. He won't even face trial.
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The victims' families will never have answers. Listen to what
Steve and Christy gunsolve Is say about this plea deal.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
We lost our minds.
Speaker 21 (37:42):
We were in that meet. I mean we were screaming,
we were tussing, we were yelling, we were saying, why
did you do this?
Speaker 1 (37:47):
How did you do this?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
You know what happened.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
You just talked to us on Friday and told us that,
you know, you had every anticipation of taking.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
This all the way.
Speaker 19 (38:00):
He accepted the plea deal within the same hour that
he got it. This man never wanted to fight for
our children.
Speaker 14 (38:06):
Literally, I mean it.
Speaker 19 (38:07):
They fought for their lives, for their very last breath,
and this man had no fighting it. They fought hard
all the way to the end, and he gave up
within an hour of being given an opportunity to quit
on these kids.
Speaker 14 (38:19):
Did you on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, we entered
the residents at one one two two King Road in Moscow, Idaho,
with the intent to commit the fallony crime of murder.
Speaker 16 (38:32):
Yes, did you.
Speaker 14 (38:37):
On November thirteenth, twenty twenty two in Leaytah County, State
of Idaho, kill and murder Madison Mogan a human being?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (38:47):
And did you do that willfully and lawfully, deliberately and
with premeditation and melos a forethought?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (38:54):
Did you, Honor about that same date in Moscow, Idaho,
kill and murder Kaylee Gonzalez a human being?
Speaker 16 (39:01):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (39:02):
And did you do that wilfully, unlawfully, deliberately and with
premeditation and malica forethought?
Speaker 19 (39:08):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (39:10):
And did you on that same date in Moscow, Idaho,
kill and murder Xana Kernodle a human being?
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (39:17):
And did you do that wilfully, unlawfully deliberately, with premeditation
and malica forethought?
Speaker 16 (39:22):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (39:24):
And then on we're about November thirteenth, twenty twenty two
again in Leaytok County, Idaho, did you kill and murder
Ethan Chapin a human being?
Speaker 17 (39:34):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (39:35):
Did you do that wilfully and lawfully deliberately, with premeditation
and malica forethought?
Speaker 16 (39:40):
Yes?
Speaker 14 (39:40):
With respect to count one burglary felony, how do you
plead mister Colberger guilty or not guilty? Guilty as to
count two murder in the first degree, the murder of
Madison Mogan. How do you plead guilty or not guilty
guilty as to count three for the murder of Kaylee Gonsalves.
How do you plead guilty You're not guilty guilty as
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to count four? First degree murder of Xana Kernodle human being?
How do you plead guilty or not guilty guilty as
to count five? First degree murder of Ethan Chapin. How
do you plead guilty or not guilty?
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Guilty?
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Guys, we're showing you photos of the victims in this
case who are brutally murdered. From the beginning, we were
told they were murdered in their sleep.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
That's not true, that is not true. Joining me, Susan Hendrix,
you know her well.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
She's been with us all day long outside the courthouse.
She's the author of Down the Hill, My Descend into
the double murder in Delphi, and now she has latched
onto this case like nobody's business.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
I want to welcome Susan Hendricks for being with us.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
Susan, we found out now that Xana had come down
the stairs and she fought for her life.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
She fought for her life. It's nothing like what we
were told to start.
Speaker 29 (41:02):
With, absolutely, and when new details come out, they're just
more excruciating for the family. We have heard that maybe
she saw something heard something was getting of course the
door dash as you know, and then maybe he chased her.
You mentioned, and I thought this was key, that this
is all they had.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Was today.
Speaker 29 (41:20):
I was in the courtroom and I could see it
Nancy building the tension. Kaylee's father, his knee was shaking.
He was to the right of me and his knee
was shaking, and I could tell he was going through
what he was going to say. So he's almost like practicing.
And it's all they had, and they gave it everything.
They've been wanting to say this for so long. Everything
that they wanted to say.
Speaker 30 (41:40):
My sister Kayley and her best friend Maddie were not
yours to take.
Speaker 8 (41:44):
You're a delusional, pathetic, hypochondriac loser.
Speaker 24 (41:49):
Oh man, You're going to go to hell.
Speaker 25 (41:53):
You're evil.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
There's no place for you in heaven today.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
You have no name.
Speaker 14 (41:59):
Nobody cares about you.
Speaker 7 (42:00):
You.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
You're a joke, complete joke.
Speaker 30 (42:03):
You'll be forgotten, discarded, used in e raced if you
hadn't attacked them in their sleep in the middle of
the night like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked your ass.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 7 (42:22):
The families of the four victims filing out of that courtroom.
Many people call it closure. Let me inform you there
is no such thing as closure when the.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Person you love the most is murdered.
Speaker 14 (42:39):
All right, mister Colberger, you have an opportunity to make
a statement if you wish to.
Speaker 16 (42:43):
I take it you are declining.
Speaker 20 (42:45):
I respectfully decline.
Speaker 14 (42:47):
I mind not able to come up with anything redeeming
about mister Coberger, because his grotesque acts of evil have
buried in hidden anything that might have been good or
intrinsically human about him. His actions have made him the
worst of the worst. Even in pleading guilty, is giving
nothing hinting of remorse or redemption, nothing suggesting even a
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recognition or understanding, let alone regret for the pain that
he has caused. And therefore I will not attempt to
speak about him further other than to simply sentence him,
so that he is forever removed from civilized society. I
hereby sentence mister Coberger, as follows on count one Burglary
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ten years fixed zero years indeterminate. Count two, first degree
murder of Madison Mogen, I sentence the defendant to a
fixed term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.
On count three, for first degree murder of Kaylee Gonsalves,
I sentenced the defendant to a fixed term of life
imprisonment without the possibility of parole. On count four, for
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the first degree murder of Santa Kernola Well, I sentenced
the defendant to a fixed term of life imprisonment without
the possibility of parole. On count five, for the first
degree murder of Ethan Chapin, I sentenced the defendant to
a fixed term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.
The sentences on counts one, two, three, four, and five
shall run consecutively to one another.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Xanna was everyone's best friend.
Speaker 7 (44:23):
She knew how precious and special life was, yet her
story was cut short by an active evil.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
They were two pieces of a whole, the perfect Yin
and yang.
Speaker 9 (44:35):
Man.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
He was their gift of life or purpose and our hope.
Speaker 6 (44:39):
We were grow old without our only child.
Speaker 7 (44:49):
Eerie leaked jail videos of Brian Coburger with bright red hands, red.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Red compared to the rest of his arm, bright red hands.
Speaker 7 (45:06):
As American psycho type shirtless selfies emerged on his phone
and straight out to any Elisee joining us creator CEO
of tent to Life, Annie, thank you.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
For being with us. Let's look at the Oh, look
at the hands.
Speaker 7 (45:24):
We're looking at it right now. I don't know if
you can see it on your monitor. And here he
is obsessive, obsessively cleaning the cracks and the little line
that goes around the bottom of your shoe.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
What he got it in muddy behind bars?
Speaker 7 (45:40):
No, but he's recleaning and re cleaning his shoes and
looking around awkwardly, looks very much. You know, if this
is telling me something else is telling me that the
way he looked in sentencing and the.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Way he looked in court is how he really looked.
Kind of a blank dead stare.
Speaker 7 (46:04):
Okay, first of all, I want to analyze everything I
can glean from this leaked video, and who leaked it
is anybody's guests, You know, jails are falling over themselves
to say it's not ours, it's not ours. Hey, it's
somebody's straight out to any at least any what do
you observe in the video.
Speaker 31 (46:25):
I think it's so interesting because of course everybody is
glued to this trying to analyze it, because it's really
the first movements we have seen it for three years
of him.
Speaker 21 (46:35):
And we know we've heard that he has OCD.
Speaker 31 (46:38):
So he's carefully cleaning the shoe. But I think what
strikes everybody as odd is when he's done cleaning it,
he puts that tissue up on top of the cage
and he just stares there, very still, very intently, looking
above the monitor that's in that cage, and almost looks
as though he's just thinking or evaluating it.
Speaker 21 (46:57):
And it's really eerie.
Speaker 7 (46:59):
The video is infuriating victims' rights advocates who think about
the brutality and how these four beautiful young students were murdered.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
And now he has what a penhouse sweet at.
Speaker 7 (47:14):
The jail, he's got a huge bed by jail house
standards as opposed to a bunk. He has, look at this,
plenty of walking around room, shelfs, multiple pairs of shoes.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
He's he's doing fine.
Speaker 7 (47:33):
The Elite video has yet to be verified by authorities,
but now his selfies his freaky American psychotype selfies are emerging.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Listen.
Speaker 32 (47:45):
Besides the chilling selfie he took giving the thumbs up
hours after murdering four university students, Coburger's cell phone is
filled with creepy selfies posing shirtless and flexing his muscles.
Speaker 7 (47:57):
I've got to talk to Susan Hendrix joining us about
the creepy selfies, the shirtless selfies, new ones that have
just emerged.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
Oh dear lord, I'm gonna have to report on them.
Just hold that.
Speaker 24 (48:10):
What the hey?
Speaker 1 (48:12):
What okay?
Speaker 7 (48:16):
Tell me, Susan, tell me what this is and why
I'm having to look at Coburger without a shirt on,
flexing and staring into the camera.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
Why is this happening?
Speaker 21 (48:28):
Yeah, they are cringe worthy.
Speaker 29 (48:30):
And for the company that look through his data hisself,
they found out that he does.
Speaker 7 (48:35):
He actually have his pants pulled down toward his crotch
so I can see more of his belly button hair.
What you know, like in the Sports Illustrated magazine, you
know cover the swimsuit is pulled down just a tantalizing
bit too low.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Is that what he's doing?
Speaker 21 (48:56):
Iw youw It's gross, It's cringe worthy.
Speaker 29 (49:00):
I feel sorry for the families who have to look
at that, and I was looking at each picture getting
grossed out by the way, but kind of wondering what
is he thinking there?
Speaker 21 (49:07):
He didn't send these to anyone there for himself. It
reminded me of American Psycho. That movie Just Loving Himself
is cringeworthy, disgusting. There he is flexing. It's perplexing seeing
all this evidence of what was on his phone.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 7 (49:32):
Joining US forensics expert psychologist doctor Sherry Schwartz.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
His obsession with American Psycho.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
I don't get it, But can I talk to you
about his preening in front of the camera and flexing
and what it means.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
It's like Monk.
Speaker 7 (49:50):
Did you ever say Monk Monk only wore a certain
brilliant homicide investigator. He only wore one time of shirt
every day. I think it was a pale blue button down,
just like in this case. Occasionally Coburg will go crazy
and we're a white button down. But that said, they're
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lined up behind him and some of the shots. What
is this revealing to you? Because the crime scene is
blood soaked, it looks like a Jackson Pollock. The closet
and the home where he takes these pictures, is like
bleached clean, and there's this freaky row of all blue
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button down shirts behind him.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
What is that, doctor Sherry.
Speaker 33 (50:42):
I mean a part of it could be his fascination
with some level of fame, even if it is something
he'll keep internally to feel better about himself. That he's
just like Christian Vale in American Psycho, but he'll do
it better and not get caught. We know how that
worked out. These selfies are disturbing because we know that
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they're not being sent to anyone. They would be disturbing
if they're being sent to someone, but in this case,
these are for him. And so it suggested to me
that he has some sort of internal dialogue going on
where he's fascinated with this idea of.
Speaker 7 (51:20):
Got to Sherry, got to Sherry, got to Sherry. Wait wait,
I want you to look at the screen right now. Okay,
Susan Hendrix, he is saluting.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
The camera. Now, is this particular shot this was taken
after the murders? Correct Susan Hendrix.
Speaker 21 (51:37):
It absolutely was, and you see that on his knuckle
there the injury.
Speaker 7 (51:45):
Brian Koberger is contesting his plea deal, renigging on some
of the.
Speaker 4 (51:51):
Orders in exchange for life over the death penalty.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Can the case now go to trial.
Speaker 7 (51:58):
It's my understanding to Dave Matt, Crime Story's investigative reporter,
that Coburger is bulking at paying for the victims earns
and other expenses.
Speaker 12 (52:10):
Right exactly, Nancy.
Speaker 24 (52:12):
The shocking part of it is that in that plea deal,
all of this was already negotiated. All of this was
part of it so that he could avoid going to
trial and avoid the needle or the gun. And yet
now they're going back in and saying, well, we need
to send this to the mathematicians that accounting at the
States determine whether or not he's able to pay for it,
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because he's in prison for the rest of his life,
and that actually is something that he's not allowed to do.
This plea bargain said he could not go back later
and appeal it. He couldn't contest any aspect of it,
and in so doing, Nancy, I wonder why have they
not already said, boom over, you're going to trial.
Speaker 4 (52:56):
Well, the judge seems to agree with you.
Speaker 17 (52:58):
Dave Matt, listen to Hippler, So you took advantage of
the plea agreement to get the benefit of the bargain
regarding the state's dropping of the death penalty.
Speaker 14 (53:09):
Why should you not be held to the plea agreement
to pay the victims the costs in turning their children?
Speaker 7 (53:19):
I mean, for Pete's sake, does Judge Hippler have to
feed the prosecution with a silver spoon? Here's your way
out of this disastrous plea deal out of all of
your lies and your secret deals. Coburger is contesting restitution
that was part of the deal.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
So deal is off. I mean, can the judge make
it any more clear?
Speaker 17 (53:46):
Listen to Hippler, what's the point of the plea agreement
on restitution if the defense is able to argue against
the restitution called for in the plea agreement itself?
Speaker 4 (53:57):
And it's not an issue? Is it to Annie?
Speaker 7 (54:00):
At least joining us from seriously Annie, he's got at
least a five figure amount of money in his commissary account.
Speaker 31 (54:11):
It's unbelievable, first and foremost, the fact that people are
sending an admitted quadruple murderer tens of thousands of dollars.
Then for him to be contesting payment the restitution that
is outlined. And I'm sorry, but three thousand dollars for
the earns is that the going rate these.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Days for a life?
Speaker 21 (54:30):
It's just if he's afforded.
Speaker 31 (54:31):
These comforts of ramen, toilet trees, different treats with his commissary,
why should he get more comforts than the victims were
ever afforded.
Speaker 7 (54:41):
Straight out to Christy and Steve Gonsalves joining us, the
fact that Coburger is contesting issues within the plea deal,
that's not the banner the important part of this. We
know he's contesting paying restitution. Could that and resind renig
(55:08):
the plea deal? Because if he is backing out of
conditions of the plea deal, then the deal is off.
Have you considered this could take the case to trial.
If Coburger himself is refusing to pay restitution as ordered
in the plea deal.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
I would love for that to happen.
Speaker 5 (55:27):
But I feel like it's all just games and none
of it is taken serious, Like, oh, he doesn't want
to pay his restitution.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Slap slap, slap.
Speaker 5 (55:35):
You can't do that, pay your restitution, move on.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
Well, this is what it boils down to.
Speaker 7 (55:40):
Steve.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
Let's look at this, so I take a play deal
twenty to serve, all right, and the defendant thing goes, yeah,
I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to
do twenty.
Speaker 7 (55:54):
Well, then the deal is off. Pay your restitution is
an important part of that deal. And if Coburger contests it, fine,
I'd be mad if he didn't. Now, let's go to trial.
That is possible. He's nigging on the deal.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
That's on him.
Speaker 7 (56:13):
So what you'd have to do, what we would have
to do, is get Thompson off this case. He can't
try this case. Someone else, an independent prosecutor, would have
to try it, which.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Would be great.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
I would love to see that.
Speaker 34 (56:28):
This guy has been trying to control the narrative, you know,
pKa from the very beginning the mini he even got
in prison, he started writing up complaints and started doing
formalities and Saytan, you're gonna transfer me, You're gonna do this,
You're gonna do that. We got to just put our
foot down to these kind of psychopath killers and stop
entertaining them and stop treating them with baby gloves. It's
just it's just disgusting, and we're doing it all the
(56:52):
way up. Three years later joining.
Speaker 7 (56:55):
Us tonight, Christy and Steve Gonsolve, thank you, thank you
for being with us. I know that every time you
have to talk about this, it just brings it all
up again. If you could have your wish, which of
course would be to have Kelly back, what is your wish, Christy?
Speaker 5 (57:17):
The wish of wanting Keay back is obviously that that's
not possible. So my only other wish would be for
him to hurry up and take a sauce breath. Him
being dead would be great.
Speaker 34 (57:29):
I will try to make something positive out of it
as much as you possibly can. And I feel like
that's what me, O, Livy and the family's doing is
we're trying to put some actions we're trying to put
We're trying to rally around anyone who we see something
disgusting and puts their foot down and says, all right,
I've had enough. I think that's that's the best we
can do. And if we can take this murder and
(57:50):
all the people's attention on it and say, hey, there's
no point of having red flags if we're not doing
something about it. And we see all these killers, and
we look back at their past behaviors and there's all
these red black but just no not enough action behind them.
People just dodging the bullets, just saying we didn't know
he was a normal person.
Speaker 19 (58:10):
No, you did know.
Speaker 34 (58:11):
There was things there. There was girls making complaints all
around this individual, over and over, and you just refuse
to listen to them. You just refuse to do something
when they were crying out for help. And it's happening
all the way to today. We're going to loose tens
of thousand dollars because the prosecutor refused to help us.
If he couldn't do it, he didn't, whatever the reason
he failed us.
Speaker 7 (58:31):
There could be a way around this deal with the devil?
But now will it happen? I am begging the FEDS
to intervene. I am begging a court to investigate this
and appoint an independent prosecutor. How can we stand by
(58:53):
and hear? Are these families.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
Pain and do nothing? The current US Attorney for the
Idaho District is Bart M.
Speaker 4 (59:04):
Davis. Repeat, Bart M. Davis.
Speaker 7 (59:08):
The number two zero eight three three four one two
one one two zero eight three three four one two
one one. You have the knowledge, use it? Is there
a way out of this deal with the devil? The
local prosecutor struck with Brian Coburger. Can we get Coburger
(59:32):
to trial? Now we remember an American hero Border Patrol Agent,
Freddie or Tease, US Department Homeland Security, killed in the
line of duty after thirteen years serving and protecting, leaving
behind his grieving mother. American hero Patrol Agent Freddie or Tease.
(59:55):
Thank you to our guest tonight, but especially to you
for being with us. Nancy Gray signing off for tonight.
I'll see you tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend,
m HM.
Host
Nancy Grace
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