August 25, 2025 • 48 mins
Chilling newly released body cam video relives the horror of the murders of four University of Idaho students.
The surviving roommates are seen outside the home with police, giving full details of what happened the night Kaylee Goncalves, Maddie Mogen, Xana Kernoodle, and Ethan Chapin were killed by a lone intruder.
Surviving roommate Dylan Mortensen tells Officer Mitch Nunes she heard a person she believed was Kaylee scream that "somebody" was in the house, then heard someone run down from the third floor to Xana's room on the second floor, where she then heard what she called a "commotion."
Mortensen says the sounds of a struggle die down, and she hears an unfamiliar male voice say, "You're going to be fine. I'm going to help you."
After hearing the man saying, "I'm going to help you," Dylan opens the door and sees Bryan Kohberger, describing him to Officer Nunes as "six feet tall, slim build, a black mask, with bushy eyebrows."
Officers responding to the 911 call from 1122 King Road find the kitchen door ajar. During a walk through the rental house, officers notice blood is smeared on the walls and floors and pooling by their bodies that are on different floors in the house.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Greg Morse - Criminal Defense Attorney of Morse Legal, author of “The Untested” found on Amazon; website: morselegal.com
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Chris McDonough – Director at the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective; Host of YouTube channel: “The Interview Room”
- Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author of "Blood Beneath My Feet," and Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;" X @JoScottForensicith Joseph Scott Morgan;" X:@JoScottForensic
- Sydney Sumner - CRIME STORIES Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Inside hell h E double
l horrific new body cam video emerging inside the Brian
Coburger murder scene, and it reveals the truth, The truth
(00:23):
of what happened that night when four beautiful University Idaho
students were slaughtered in their own beds. The truth that
apparently the elected district attorney did not want us to
see before he worked a secret plea deal with Coburger.
This as we learn tonight, Coburger tries desperately to sell
(00:45):
his car after he goes online and reads reports that
white Alantra has been identified near the crime scene. We
find out about damning searches on Coburger's phone where he
searched for wiretap and psyched copaths. Paranoid, he goes back
and forth in the Moscow PD website to learn the
(01:07):
latest on the murders, and immediately after he looks up
auto detailing when they realized they're onto his Elantra. Ten
minutes later, he's online shopping for a new car. I mean,
is he Grace? This is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
At Emerson went up stairs.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
She see random series and I call your name.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh my stars, it's just so much worse than the
elected district attorney. Let on, did you just hear We're
gonna play all this for you to hear and see
for yourselves. But Scott Morgan, join me, Scott, did you
hear what she said? Kelly went upstairs and started screaming,
(02:05):
there's somebody in her room. That's a lot different than
what we were told. Like it was a silent night
and all you could hear was a muffled whimper. And
I'm here to help you. This is a lot different.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Yeah, it's really granular. When you begin to see this
and you suddenly realize the horror that all of these
kids have experienced at that moment time, You know, you
go back in time and there have been a lot
of questions about, well, why didn't they call this in,
Why didn't they call it? Why did they delay? Nancy?
This almost looks like the fog of war. When I
see this, you know, just stunned and just beyond belief.
(02:42):
It goes back to an old statement I always make,
always having to understand the abnormal in the context of
the normal. This home that they lived in together, the
space that they shared, has absolutely been rocked. They've discovered
in house that there is a mass, sir that has
taken place. I don't know about you, I would probably
(03:04):
be the same way. It's it rips you down to
your absolute core.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Guys. I want to play the video. I want to
see it and I hear it. I want to hear it.
Listen for sure?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeap where share or ship? Yes, we're here here.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
You gotta call that, you know, the s wepst normal
and I taking avatime.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
And I can't be easy agreeing that she's and I
didn't check any acts flow down.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
It's as premiere's there's two take.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Buddies straight out to Sydney, Sumner joining US Crime Stories
investigative reporter on the case Sydney. What we're hearing is
the officer who arrives at the scene. There are four
people standing outside. Let's see the video. The group is
huddled outside and we hear the officer speaking to the
(04:16):
friend Hunter Johnson, and Johnson is saying, up here, up here,
I just came to check in here and this is
what I found. I checked to see if she's breathing,
and she's I think this is going to be not
I didn't check him yet, referring to Ethan. Then you
hear a Moscow first responder state looks like dead bodies.
Speaker 8 (04:39):
Yes, this is the absolute first response to this home
after getting that nine to one one call. And during
that call, the girl in the house try to explain
what happened that they think they saw someone at four am,
but the officer, the dispatcher just wants to know who
(05:00):
they can try and help. So immediately after we see
what we saw in the cut that just played, EMTs
start rushing up to the house and this officer who
was the first on scene, who first went to check
on everything, he has to stop this group of twenty
five ants that show up to the house and say,
(05:21):
you know, we don't think we need your services.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So it's just horrifying. Oh God, oh dear Lord in heaven,
you know. Chris mcdonnah joining menditioned Jesscott Morgan Chris McDonagh,
director Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective, hundreds hundreds of
homicides under his belt, Star off the interview room on YouTube. Chris,
(05:48):
you've been on this case all over it since the beginning.
You've been to the scene and when we see as
you have been. I've come up on so many crime
scenes in the middle of the night, early early, crazy
early morning hours three four or five am. And that's
what you see.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
You see the.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Victims and the witnesses like standing out in a cold
parking lot. Remember this is Idaho at Thanksgiving, and everyone
is huddled out there, holding themselves, shivering, and up come
the police. I wonder if they know, they've got to know,
they've got to know everybody's dead, because nobody's coming out.
(06:31):
Chris mcdone, I bet you've come up on so many
scenes like this, Yeah, Nancy.
Speaker 9 (06:35):
And of course the officer there is responding from the
dispatch call of an unconscious female. And the first thing
you notice when you get there, to your point is
you see this huddled group of you know, college students.
But as you get near the door, you see one
(06:55):
of the kids has his hands above his head. That's
a signal that okay, there's something big going on here
that this kid is seeing. And so he grabbed his
medic bag, goes up those stairs and the young man
is punter is pointing out what is going on in there,
and the offshore immediately does the assessment of okay, this
(07:18):
is a crime scene. So he's now gone from a
rescue mission to a criminal investigation almost instantaneously, within a
couple of minutes of this particular video, and that's when
this whole thing starts to take another shift.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Chrissy just says something that really gutted me. Look at
the one wrapped up in a blanket out there, Doctor
Bethany Marshall, he just said something that really struck a nerve.
And guys, we've got so much to play, but this
is what you do when you prepare for a case.
You look and you look at it, and you look
(07:56):
at it and you look at it. Notes everything matter,
Doctor Bethany Marshall. I'm going to give you a full
INChO in a moment. But Chris McDonough said about the
one kid, I think that it was Hunter with his
hands up. It just hit me about all the crime
scenes I've been to and all the crime victims and
(08:16):
their families. They would be like lying face down in
the grass on the front yard. They would be stretched
over a car, crying, screaming their heads up like he
just was describing, like in the air. It's a physical
reaction like this, or like hugging themselves or bent over
(08:36):
or bent over vomiting, or bent over crying, or just
bent over the physical response to what is happening around them.
And I didn't even notice that until McDonough said it.
You see him just like standing there like this, like
he doesn't.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
Know what to do.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
What is that, well, Nancy, just a moment before he
says to the officer that he has checked to see
if one of the victims is breathing. So this is
a very bloody body. It's a shocking scene. We don't
know how he checked to see if this victim was bleeding.
Did he touch the wrists the neck? So he's actually
really gone in and engaged with that crime scene. And
(09:17):
to me, the hands over the head is almost like
the horror of having to touch the victims and getting
his hands as far away as possible. Also kind of
like an act of surrender, like I give up, My
hands are in the air. This is what we see
people do actually when maybe they're about to be arrested
or incarcerated or something, they back up, like the hands
(09:38):
in the air. I have nothing to do with this
kind of thing. And it's almost as there's a confusion
between did he do it. Did somebody else do it?
What did he just touch? It's such a horrible I
love what Joe Scott Morgan said, like the fog of war.
No time to digest or to take in or metabolize
(09:58):
what he has just so he's just backing up in horror.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
All I'm sorry to cut you off, but just what
this MF did when I'm seeing it, when you see it, like,
we can talk about it and talk about it, but
when you see it and you think what Coburger did
and the dichotomy. You go in there and it looks like,
(10:22):
you know, a fun house where a bunch of college
students live, and you think about what he did to them.
I can hardly contain it. And there he is whining
about his food. I just and you see the girls
out front, just huddled up once in a blanket, they're
holding themselves. All of this is nonverbal communication responding to
(10:48):
this horrendous, horrendous thing that has happened to their friends.
And you know another thing, Sydney Sumner with me, Sydney,
I know that part of Kyberger's defense was some other
dude did it, and he was actually going to blame.
They were looking for somebody to blame.
Speaker 8 (11:08):
Yes, Coberger's defense team was at some point looking at
the boyfriends of the women who lived in this home.
Even on scene. In this bodycam video, we see some
questions come up, is anyone having trouble with boyfriends right now?
So yes, Coburger's defense team was definitely looking at all
(11:28):
of the men in these women's these victims' lives, trying
to see if it was anyone that they already knew,
because as we know, this house is very, very confusing.
So I think cops definitely and Coburger's defense team thought
that they could get away with blaming someone who had
more familiarity with this house.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I want to follow up what Sidney Summer just told us.
Greg Morse is joining me. Veteran defense attorney, founder of
Morse Legal, author of the Untested on Amazon, is at
Morse legal dot com. I guess in your world, the
Greg Morse defense attorney world, that's what you do. You
(12:10):
look for somebody to blame. Even though you may suspect
your client did it murdered four people, you still got
to find somebody depend it on other than him. It's
sop standard operating procedure. It could be an ex boyfriend.
It could be a current boyfriend. It could be this
guy who is about to vomit at what he has
found holding his hands up in there. Hey, he's a man,
(12:31):
Let's blame him. That's the way it works, right, Morse,
tell the truth.
Speaker 10 (12:35):
Well, so when you're looking at these cases, the defense
is looking at what can the state prove? What is
the state's evidence? So not actually what happened, It doesn't matter.
The state has the obligation to prove. So they probably
looked at this and they saw that two of the roommates,
you know, waited to call the police, and they probably explored,
is there is the evidence, you know, there that we could.
Speaker 11 (13:00):
Suggest that other people were involved?
Speaker 8 (13:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (13:03):
I mean and and I think the evidence when you're
defending someone like this, what else you're going to say?
Speaker 9 (13:09):
So, so, there's nothing wrong with them.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
He did I'm guilty. That's one thing that you could say. Okay, Morse,
before I go down a route, Greg.
Speaker 11 (13:18):
But he did that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
He did that.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Can I get you? Can I just move you forward
to the next that we've got so much Listen to this, guys,
watch this.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Let me secure the outside first.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
That there's ana trio going to start taking it off,
running through the outside off and I got in there,
shut it off.
Speaker 12 (13:51):
There.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
You're the officer trying to secure it, saying I've got
to I got to right here. Talking about two dead bodies,
I got two right here already. The house is clear.
In other words, the suspect's not there. There's not a
live suspect there. The house is clear to walk through.
(14:15):
And they shut the dog, which is common because you
don't know when the dog is gonna go crazy to
start biting. You shut the dog in there. I'm curious
where he shut the dog. But before I analyze that,
I want you to hear more from the survivors. This
is Dylan Morton's listen, all right, what do you remember?
Speaker 7 (14:34):
You're saying?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
We started? I remember I was in my room, am
I trying to go to bed? And they heard Kelly?
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Who real fast? Which one is your room?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Kelly?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Which one is your room?
Speaker 7 (14:47):
Room are you in?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You were in that room, my room, not seeing this
room my room and your room is.
Speaker 12 (14:55):
That one second floor? All I heard was I heard
heard go upstairs and go okay, I'm gonna go to
street down because she's going upstairs.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And the dog Murphy.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
And upstairs to the very top.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, that's where her Dr Bethany. This is just gutting
me because you can hear somebody wailing crying in the background.
It's all dawning on them. What's what's really happening. They
haven't seen the bodies yet, remember the friend hunter saw them.
They don't really know what's happening, and it's all just
(15:34):
hitting them. They're out in the parking lot. That's Dylan
Mortenson wrapped up in the blanket, clutching herself and they're
looking around. Their friends aren't coming out, and the place
is swarming with police and you hear somebody start crying
in the background.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Nancy. They don't know what we know or what the
viewers know. They know nothing. All they know is that
there was screaming and crying. And what breaks my heart
with Dylan is she waited to go to bed until
her friend went upstairs. I mean, you just see that
table with all the solo cups on it. It's like
they were It's a scene of a party, kids having fun,
(16:12):
kids like staying up ordering door dash whatever, just enjoying
their lives. And the horrifying disruption of all of that
They're just these four kids are just trying to piece
it together and they can't yet.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
They're just in shock to Sydney summer joining me in
Crime Stories investigative reporter Sidney, what is probative about that
body camp we just showed. We're learning a lot from
every word. I remember, I was in my room. I
was trying to go to bed. I heard Kelly, which
one is your room? She's describing whose room is where,
(16:50):
and she says, all I heard was I heard her
go upstairs, like, okay, I'm going to go to sleep now,
Kelly and the dog Murphy. What do you learn? What
does this prove Sydney well for me?
Speaker 8 (17:07):
So first we have to get in our minds that
the entire time Dylan insists Kylee went upstairs, Kaylee screamed,
Kaylee ran down the stairs, and the officer even points
this out later. He says to another officer, she somehow
knows she was somehow able to discern this with Kaylee,
(17:29):
but we don't think that's actually true. So we have
to think about the layout of the house. So Kaylee
and Maddie were asleep upstairs. Xanna's room was on the
second floor, where Dylan's room was So the only thing
that makes sense for somebody to have ran down those
stairs is Vanna, not Kaylee, not Maddie. So we have
(17:52):
to get that in our heads as we're listening to
Dylan's recollection of events. But it just proves to me
that someone was there. These women are correct, someone was
in their house. So as far as we know, all
they know is that Xanna was found unconscious.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I said, Si said, says, hold on, hold on, you're
saying someone's in the house. Said, do you think at
the time when we think Kelly was saying, Hey, I'm
gonna go to bed, I'm gonna go to sleep, do
you think he was already in the house, Because now
I believe that he was already in there waiting for
(18:30):
them to go to sleep. I don't think that they
all went to their beds and then he snuck in.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
I agree with you. And we also learned later that
Maddie was the last person to take Murphy out. So
Mattie checks in with Dylan and bethany one more time. Hey,
I lost Murphy. I can't get him to come inside.
Is he with either of y'all? She is looking for
the dog, So again. This dog, who they described for
(18:55):
weeks was on edge before the murders, who would constantly
going going off into the woods and wouldn't come back
when called, just acting very very oddly, does the same
thing this night when they're taking him out for the
last time. So I'm kind of feeling like Coberger was watching,
watching as they took the dog out for the very
(19:16):
last time, and maybe snuck in just behind them as.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
They brought the dog in, turning on the location of
the emergency.
Speaker 12 (19:25):
He's talking.
Speaker 9 (19:31):
Emergency one.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 12 (19:47):
I remember I was in my room, can I turning
into bed and they heard Kaylee heard go upstairs. Okay,
I'm gonna go to seat down because you're going upstairs
over Kaylee and.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
The dog Marti.
Speaker 11 (20:00):
Because we were so scared, and that's what.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
She's waking up. Just released bodycam from the night of
the murders the morning after, now flooding our senses, overwhelming,
gut wrenching. Of course, this wasn't released until after a
plea deal had been offered to the ire the anger
(20:32):
the exhaustion of some of the victims' families. They did
not want this plea deal, So now we got to
give coburg Or three hots and cots for the rest
of his life. A see wines about the food behind bars.
This is bringing the harsh reality of what police found
(20:54):
the morning after. Let's watch and then ultimately.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
You're looking up.
Speaker 12 (20:59):
I heard a screen and she ran downstairs because she
saw someone that's but I'm pretty sure she said she
someone's here, and she's screamed and just ran downstairs and
I called for a name. They jump up and locked
my door. So I was so scared, and I heard
someone in the fastroom when I heard her crying, and
I heard some guy say that you're gonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I'm to help you. And I kept calling your name,
but she wasn't answering.
Speaker 12 (21:22):
And then I opened the door for a second and
I saw this guy and he was not in seemly told, but.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
He's doing all black and like this mask.
Speaker 12 (21:29):
I was just covering his forehead and his mouth, and
I locked the door and I called.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yes, you know, it all seemingly happened a lot faster
than we visualized based on what the district attorney had
originally told us that they were all going to bed
after a lullaby and then basically died in their sleep.
That's not what happened at all, Doctor Bethany Marshall. What
(21:58):
about this get up? Doctor Athony Marshall or now Psychoalyside
the La Jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker. You can see
her now on Peacock and find her a doctor Bethany
Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany. He's all dressed up. Somebody's
been watching too many movies, right, all dressed up in black,
with the hat, the mask, the black outfit covering his clothes, everything.
(22:22):
He really thought this suit. It's like he's playing a role.
He's all dressed up for it.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
It's like this is cosplay as a mouse murderer. Right
In some ways, he's embodied this role for so many years.
He's fantasized about it, he's thought about it, he's taught,
he's done studies, asked other people about sexual crimes during
the course of a burglary. I mean, this is his
reason for living, Nancy. This is his moment of glory.
(22:52):
This is the bride standing in front of the altar
saying Yay, I'm going to finally get married. But what
I see in all of this is terrifying scene that
turns into a melee.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Doctor Bethne, You're right, the stark reality of what we're
seeing and there's so much to take in, is very
different than what we were told. I mean, what do
they think?
Speaker 8 (23:16):
We are?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Fat, dumb and happy. We can't figure it out and
now we're just going to go along with that cheap
play deal watch this.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And so I just rained down to you left that
you left here.
Speaker 12 (23:29):
Let's my room down she's when with the white Liline's
the very bottom. I run down there and we talked
and I just we just locked the door.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Wouldn't see anything of it.
Speaker 12 (23:38):
Really, nothing happens in month scot So we just try
to go to Beton and then we woke up and
it was weird because none of our roommates were up
and we called old and we're not waking up. It's
a mean like, this is weird. So I cold and
come over and then that's almost happy.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Did you hear that? Chris mcdonna, You and I have
walked the crime scene many many times. Nothing happens in Moscow.
They locked the door, there was no sign of force entry.
This tells me he was already in there.
Speaker 9 (24:11):
Yeah, that's that's a possibility for sure that he had
come in through that back door when the dog was
brought in. But you know, kudos to this first officer
on the scene here, the one that's interviewing Dylan.
Speaker 11 (24:23):
I mean, think about this.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
This is the largest murder at that time in Idaho,
I think probably in their history in terms of its magnitude.
This is an officer who has slow things down. He's
a new officer. I think he's in his twenties. He's
around the individuals who are the same age as him.
(24:46):
He's gone into that scene, he's seen everything that's going
on in there. And there's one officer that runs up
those stairs initially and he tells him immediately slow down.
That is there are over three under decisions that need
to be made within fifteen minutes of a homicide. Over
three hundred decisions. Now think about that. This is a
(25:09):
young officer, never seen anything like this, and now he's
pulled this witness apart to the side and said, okay,
what is going on here? And then Dylan starts to
tell this story and they start making those connections. Could
the dog you know, have been out? Could this suspect
have been in that house and it's it's total chaos initially,
(25:32):
but then it becomes organized chaos. And I got to
give this officer credit because he again he shifted immediately
into a crime scene preservation and crime scene investigation.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Chris McDonald, watch this through all the me.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
That form year there, Sam Samiana is the girl in
there is the girl that is this farm?
Speaker 11 (26:00):
How do you spell her name? D?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I mean x A n A. Do you know she
has a middle name alects.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
Do you know what her last name is?
Speaker 12 (26:10):
Pronodle and kay and spoil really kate you know r
and d.
Speaker 11 (26:16):
L k A E r A r k r n
O l d l e okay.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
N a okay.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Listen there, he's actually looking body here all the time.
He is a mallet, lives here and he doesn't actually
are used in the Windsana. I believe he's all right now,
he doesn't. He lives here a lot.
Speaker 12 (26:42):
And then there's Natty Morgan and Katy up talk. I
don't know where they're at now.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Jess Scott Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon and Starma
Hit podcast body bags, which is Scott Morgan Jo Scott.
He the officer immediately zoned in on Ethan. Ethan as
a male. He lives here because this is well, I'd say,
obviously statistically obviously a man did it, so he's zoned
(27:09):
right in there. But my point is you're hearing Dylan
Mortenson as she's clutching a blanket around her, sounds like
she thinks Ethan is still alive. She says he doesn't
actually live here. He's in the room with Xana, I believe.
So she's talking like he's still alive.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah, yeah, and she has no way to validate that. Again,
going back to this idea, you know, it's like she's
been it's like she's been punched in the face. At
this point in time, she's so stunned because this is
unlike anything else they've ever seen before. There and also
there's this realization that's creeping in. I've seen this actually
(27:52):
happen at crom scenes where people as it begins to
kind of the tempo kind of slows down, they suddenly
suddenly have this awareness, those that are survivors that they
were actually in a house where a mass event like
this took place. A mass murder took place, and suddenly
that's beginning to trickle into their brain, and again that
(28:15):
makes them sometimes rather shocky when you're going to go
talk to them and you've got all of this data
that's coming into their brain and trying to get information
out of them. This officer is very calm. I love
the way he kind of has this very kind of
kind affect or kind voice pattern where he's speaking to them.
He's very warm. He's not trying to push her in
(28:38):
any way. You just let them talk. The best way
you can get information out of somebody is to shut
your mouth and listen to them, and you kind of
gently direct them along the way because this is something
that is so incredibly traumatic for them.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
City Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter. I don't believe it
this juncture, they have any idea that everyone is lying
dead in there, because she says, I don't know where they're.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
At though, Yeah, that's Dylan speaking to an officer about
Kaylee and Maddie specifically. I don't know where they're at.
So Dylan and Bephany aren't even sure those girls are home,
so they have no idea that anyone is hurt injured,
dead except for Xanna, and yeah, they are just completely
(29:27):
out of the loop here, and later Hunter Johnson speaking
with authorities again, he's upset that he's the only one
that knows what's happening.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, and she actually thought Xanna had passed out from
the night partying. You know, you're right, Sidney at this juncture,
And why do you say that said that they don't
know what happened.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
Web you'se girls wake up after hearing this scary event
last night, and there's even some confusion about what happened.
So at one point Bethany described hearing what she thought
was a firework. So it's almost four in the morning.
All of her roommates have come home from different parties,
different events, and she thinks they're just drunk and messing around,
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and somebody set off a firework in the house. So
they don't really know what happened. They're a little bit
scared because no one's answering their phones. They're trying to
call them to just be like, Hey, I'm trying to
go to sleep, can y'all be quiet? Nobody's answering, so
that kind of freaks them out. And then Dylan sees
this guy that she doesn't recognize, so she runs down
to Bethany's room and at that point, in the dark
(30:35):
running through the house, that's when she sees Xana on
the ground. And at this point nothing seems that out
of the ordinary. Xanna without drinking, so baby Xanna is
just passed out and she's sleeping in kind of a
weird position, but Dylan doesn't really think anything of it.
When she's running down to Bethany's room and the girls
(30:56):
in the room now feeling a little bit safer since
they have each other, they not off to sleep. It's
very very late, so in the morning, they still can't
get anyone on the phone. They don't know what's going on.
They contact a friend to maybe come check the house
for them, and that friend is saying, hey, we need
to call nine one one, something is wrong here, and
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other than that, they have no idea what's going on.
The girl did not see any of the crime scene
was surviving victims. They didn't see anything of what went
on there. That's the officer's first question to Dylan when
he really starts interviewing her, how much of that did
you see? And she goes, how much of what? Nothing?
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I didn't see anything, so she's they're trying to get
more information out of these officers, but they are keeping
things very close to the chest, and the girls don't
know what's going on.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
All right, just try to describe the guy that you fall.
I don't think.
Speaker 12 (32:01):
I couldn't really say much of him, but she's I'm
almost positive he's wearing a full back outfit, and he
had this mask that was just over his forehead and
over his nose, and he didn't say anything to me, Like,
I don't know. I just shut the door and locked
it because I didn't know what to do. And I
think he went out like the side door of the
sliding door in the kitchen that goes up to the backyard.
(32:22):
And then I didn't know anything else. I called, you know,
I was like, I'd just had an downstairs and find
me because I don't know where anyone else is. And
I called Maddie, I called Danna, I called Katie nor
what answers it?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Let's hear more of what Dylan Mortenson said that morning.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I heard her screaming and run like, run as fast
as she could downstairs, and she said someone's here. She
ranas yes, I could hear you can.
Speaker 12 (32:46):
Hear everything, and I'm sure I heard her run downstairs
only fast, and then I heard Murphy parking a lot, okay,
and then I heard her going to the back. I
think there's the bathroom, and i'm her sobbing and asking
this guy's voice. I've been recognizing you're gonna.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Be okay, to hold you. But it wasn't like, I
don't know how to.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Explain it like.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
It wasn't in like a nice way. It was like
a weird way. It's a weird tue.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
You're gonna be okay. I'm gonna help you.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (33:17):
And you didn't hear anything from Taylor anymore.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Joscott Morgan, that is it leaves me speechless. She says, yes,
I can hear. You can hear everything. I heard her
run downstairs really fast, and I heard Murphy Murphy barking
a lot. She said someone's here, and I heard her
going to the bathroom, her sobbing. I mean, think about it,
(33:45):
Joe Scott, make yourself think about it. Follow it through
to its logical conclusion. She was sobbing and she hears
the guy say you're gonna be okay. Had she already
been stabbed a couple of times she was in there sobbing,
(34:05):
not dealing with killing sobbing. Why is she crying? And
she says the voice was not an unquote nice way.
It was a weird way. I'm going to help you black.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Yeah, and not surprising. Hey, there's one more point here
where we can kind of validate this. Nancy. Do you
remember when the CCTV that new batch was dropped where
we see the car going around, going around, going around.
Do you remember you can hear the dog barking, and
I mean it's like at a high pitch. And some
(34:42):
people have stated, and I think Chris has kind of
talked about this a little bit, where you can see
you can hear some other sound in this that sounds
almost like a person crying out or making you know
that in pain or whatever it is. But you can
hear Murphy is going nuts. I believe that that's Murphy,
and that might validate what Dylan is saying here at
(35:04):
this point. So you've got these two points along the
way where you can go back and try to demand
the timeline. You can understand what she's saying, and all
these pieces are starting to fit together, whereas before it's
just been total confusion. So you couple this with the
CCTV images that we have that you guys are showing
right now, and you couple that with Dylan's statement, it
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becomes even more powerful.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
What kind of psychopath Dr Bethany goes in scares Kelly
like this? She's sobbing. Think make yourself imagine it. What
does she crumple down between the commode and the bathtub, hiding,
(35:50):
holding her hands up as he's stabbing her. She's already crying,
and Dylan, here's I'm going to help you. It's going
to be okay, but not in a nice way. And
we are fading this guy his special vegan meal. What
I don't understand why the prosecutor did not take this
(36:14):
to trial. Why are we just now learning the truth
this guy. If there's gonna be a death penalty, which
is a whole other political fight, this is.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
The one Nacy I feel discussed and distress just hearing this.
This poor girl, she probably was already stabbed or had
witnessed her friends being stabbed. She was in the middle
of a horror scene. She runs into the bathroom and
it's like it's almost like she got away for just
a second. And then he comes after her again, lying
(36:46):
saying he's going to help her because in his mind
he's doing some glorious, sexually exciting thing. He'll say whatever
it takes just to lure her back out again so
she doesn't die instant heeneously. She dies having witnessed something horrible,
having been inflicted, have cruelty inflicted on her bleeding seeing
(37:10):
the blood. We don't yet know exactly what that crime
scene looks like, but it made me wonder about what
amount of blood was in that bathroom.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Well, here's another thing to wonder about. To Chris mcdonna,
who has walked to the crime scene many times, Chris,
we know she's sobbing in the bathroom, but that's not
where her body was found, right right, Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 9 (37:35):
So and remember, of course, while Dylan has given this statement,
she's shaking. You can you see her hands, you know,
she she's constantly moving her hands.
Speaker 7 (37:46):
She has that.
Speaker 9 (37:47):
Blanket over her at this point. That's from all the
adrenaline that's kicking through their you know, through her body.
And so when she's giving the statement, she is of
the belief that she's hearing maybe that's Kayley, but in fact,
It probably turns out that that was Xanna who had
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gone upstairs and interrupted the fantasy of Brian Kolberger. And
then he becomes the helper of as we talked about
many times on your program here, Nancy, and that methodical
verbiage that he uses, I'm here to help you, that
gives us a mindset into this animal. He is as
(38:31):
calm as a cucumber, and he.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Is actually do you see that green trash can? Isn't
that you know? Where you? Chris saw that the glove
out in the parking lot and showed the police.
Speaker 9 (38:45):
Yes, it's right behind that trash can. Correct, And that
tells us about the totality of how many decisions are
being made rather rapidly, right, There's a lot going on here,
you know.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Following up on what McDonough's saying, Doctor Beth, how angry
do you think it made Coburger for what we think
Xanna interrupting his sex fantasy that ends up in stabbing
the girls dead, you know.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
Nancy, And these kinds of crime scenes upman is not
deposited in or on the body. Often it's in another
room or in the corner of the room. Because these
guys work themselves up into such an angry frenzy that
they can't even ejaculate where they want to ejaculate. So
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when she runs into the bathroom, it's like he's watching
someone disturb his little sex scene. And when he says
to her, I'm going to help you, I think he's
so used to manipulating and lying to people, he's actually
even lying to himself that he's just there to do
(39:54):
some helpful thing to do.
Speaker 7 (39:56):
Her a favor.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
This is all consensual his wine.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Des I just can't help but wonder what the victims
are thinking when they see this guy. He says, I'm
here to help you, But he's in their home, they
don't know him, they've never seen him before, and he's
got a K bar. Hey, can I see Greg Morse
really quickly? Greg Morris, veteran trial lawyer and author.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Greg.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I don't want you to reveal any names, of course,
but you know the defense had seen all of this
bodycam video that we're just now seeing. After the plea
deals all over signed Selden delivered. Do you having seen
the evidence ever? L Like you're sitting there with your
client and you look over and you're like, I got
to get out of here. I can't even sit next
to this guy. He's so evil, But yet you managed
(40:42):
to quill that thought and carry on.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
Listen.
Speaker 10 (40:47):
I've represented for twenty five years people accused of murder,
people accused of rape of children, of adults, and every
type of crime. I'm defending the constitution as a defense, Lauren,
making sure the state follows the constitution and there's nothing improper.
Speaker 11 (41:01):
So no, I don't get into those dilemmas.
Speaker 10 (41:03):
But again, you have to divorce yourself from the emotion
of crime when you're a criminal defense lawyer as a
as a person.
Speaker 11 (41:11):
So no, I've never had those feelings.
Speaker 10 (41:13):
But I don't look at my job in defending necessarily
a person as much as what can the state prove?
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
And then Nuddy.
Speaker 7 (41:33):
And then Murphy's a dog, I want a side for
bed and.
Speaker 12 (41:39):
Were so fecal, and then I was in my bead
like about to go say, and May just said that's.
Speaker 8 (41:47):
It wasn't Murphy.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
And its bed And what I'm using still see.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
You're hearing Bethany Funk speaking to Moscow p D. This
is the morning after her roommates were murdered by Brian Coburger,
Sidney Summer, do you hear that. I was in my
bed about to go to sleep, and Mattie just said
that she lost Murphy, and she was like, I was
wondering if he was with me, and I just said
no and I went to bed. You see what's happening here,
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all the speculation about the dog. He had been there before,
and he had befriended the dog. He knew Murphy, and
Murphy was part. Murphy the dog was part of the
scenario that night.
Speaker 8 (42:40):
Sidney, Absolutely, I think that's exactly what we're hearing. So
it seems like for me personally, when I have guests
in my home, I locked my pets in my room
with me, so I think that's probably was their usual
go to. Mattie and Kaylee plan to lock Murphy in
the room with them before they went to sleep, but
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Mattie took Murphy out, and now that she's come back inside,
she doesn't know where he went. She's trying to find
him so they can lay down to go to sleep.
So it's unclear if Murphy was still outside, if he
was just wandering somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
In the house.
Speaker 8 (43:16):
Maybe he already found Coburger in their bedroom and was
speaking with him. But from what we know, it sounds
like these girls were asleep in the top room when
Coburger attacked Kayleie and Maddie.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Guys, listen to this, hey lest.
Speaker 7 (43:37):
She sang this month ron for there's a guy black
mass was in there. She recognized him.
Speaker 6 (43:44):
She and she heard her screaming upstairs. She got scared
and walked herself in the room and then was screaming
all stop. She's pretty sure this masked person.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
Went out that back attack and not getting on the
information should not know what the girls out they're having
pulled their decease, that they just have four people that
are kind to kind of stork.
Speaker 12 (44:13):
Okay, little bit if.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
This dog going to dog just got Morgan right there.
We're hearing they're still trying to figure this thing out
about the dog, and we've been talking about it from
the very beginning. But also they say there were no footprints.
We also hear that they haven't told Dylan that they
don't know that they're dead. They're just saying, quote, the
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four people are unaccounted for.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Yeah, that's kind of standard fair because as soon as
you do that, it's like pulling a pin on a grenade,
because they're all going to kind of decompensate at that point, Tom,
you're not going to be able to get them back
on track relative to getting information out of them. So
less is more here. You have to kind of work
this because keep in mind, Nancy, you're seeing these gentlemen
(45:02):
on screen right here, all right. They have no idea
what they're dealing with, except that they know that they
have four college students that have literally been butchered in
this residence. They can validate that in their mind. This
is the other thing they're thinking about, the broad concept
of public safety.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Where is this guy.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
They're trying to gather as much information as they possibly
can to push it out there so that they do
it APB or whatever it is they need to do
to track this person down, because they're going to set
off a panic here.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
And again, as Sydney told us earlier, we find out
the only one that knew what had really happened was
Hunter Johnson, the kid that has hands up over his
head in anguish. Listen to Hunter Johnson, got you're here.
Speaker 7 (45:50):
Man, Thank you, someone to hang out here.
Speaker 6 (45:53):
I just want to know this going on.
Speaker 7 (45:55):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 13 (45:59):
How much I'm wanting to disclose right now, we're we're
processing what's going on in the scene.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
As soon as we know for sure we can tell
you guys what's going on, We absolutely will.
Speaker 7 (46:13):
I know it sucks to be in the dark with this.
But okay, and what's your what's your relationship again?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Okay? Yeah, I mean as soon as soon as I
know we're able to fill you in.
Speaker 6 (46:33):
On what's going on, we'll we'll let you know, okay, okayks,
So you guys watching Vampire Diaries out in this main
the second level, okay, and then for how long.
Speaker 7 (46:43):
I don't know, men, not anything for the club, and.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Then we all have.
Speaker 7 (46:52):
So Maddie.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
And Kaylee.
Speaker 7 (46:57):
We're at the club, you know, you know how long.
Speaker 13 (47:00):
And they were there closing at least I don't know.
Speaker 7 (47:03):
They went to.
Speaker 13 (47:06):
Okay, and then they came home at about what time?
It's okay, you're doing great. So they did get home
at two?
Speaker 7 (47:25):
How do you know that?
Speaker 1 (47:29):
So they're all sitting around watching Vampire Diaries. Some of
the girls go out, they come back in, they're talking,
they'll start going to bed. What does this mean? Sydney summer?
Bethany says, how do The cop says, how do you know?
It's around two, and she says, I just have a
picture of Kelly's room with Murphy. What does that mean?
Did they take selfie or something?
Speaker 8 (47:49):
That's what I would assume. That's what that means to me.
So she said, I know that they were home at
this time because I have a photo with Murphy at
this time. So it's an approximation, but that would be
my assumption she took a photo with Murphy, or she
took a photo of Murphy and using that timespamp she
determined when they got home.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
All of this being released as we learn of damning
searches Coburger made on his phone and devices. Once he
finds out as he frantically visits the Moscow PD site
that if white A launtra has been seen, he looks
up detailing for his car. He immediately goes online and
starts trying to sell his car. So damning all of this,
(48:36):
A jury will never see a jury, we'll never hear
no wonder. The Gonsalvast family is so angry about this.
We wait as justice continues to unfold. Nancy Grace signing off,
Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Inside hell h E double
l horrific new body cam video emerging inside the Brian
Coburger murder scene, and it reveals the truth, The truth
(00:23):
of what happened that night when four beautiful University Idaho
students were slaughtered in their own beds. The truth that
apparently the elected district attorney did not want us to
see before he worked a secret plea deal with Coburger.
This as we learn tonight, Coburger tries desperately to sell
(00:45):
his car after he goes online and reads reports that
white Alantra has been identified near the crime scene. We
find out about damning searches on Coburger's phone where he
searched for wiretap and psyched copaths. Paranoid, he goes back
and forth in the Moscow PD website to learn the
(01:07):
latest on the murders, and immediately after he looks up
auto detailing when they realized they're onto his Elantra. Ten
minutes later, he's online shopping for a new car. I mean,
is he Grace? This is Crime Stories. I want to
thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
At Emerson went up stairs.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
She see random series and I call your name.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh my stars, it's just so much worse than the
elected district attorney. Let on, did you just hear We're
gonna play all this for you to hear and see
for yourselves. But Scott Morgan, join me, Scott, did you
hear what she said? Kelly went upstairs and started screaming,
(02:05):
there's somebody in her room. That's a lot different than
what we were told. Like it was a silent night
and all you could hear was a muffled whimper. And
I'm here to help you. This is a lot different.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Yeah, it's really granular. When you begin to see this
and you suddenly realize the horror that all of these
kids have experienced at that moment time, You know, you
go back in time and there have been a lot
of questions about, well, why didn't they call this in,
Why didn't they call it? Why did they delay? Nancy?
This almost looks like the fog of war. When I
see this, you know, just stunned and just beyond belief.
(02:42):
It goes back to an old statement I always make,
always having to understand the abnormal in the context of
the normal. This home that they lived in together, the
space that they shared, has absolutely been rocked. They've discovered
in house that there is a mass, sir that has
taken place. I don't know about you, I would probably
(03:04):
be the same way. It's it rips you down to
your absolute core.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Guys. I want to play the video. I want to
see it and I hear it. I want to hear it.
Listen for sure?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeap where share or ship? Yes, we're here here.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
You gotta call that, you know, the s wepst normal
and I taking avatime.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
And I can't be easy agreeing that she's and I
didn't check any acts flow down.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
It's as premiere's there's two take.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Buddies straight out to Sydney, Sumner joining US Crime Stories
investigative reporter on the case Sydney. What we're hearing is
the officer who arrives at the scene. There are four
people standing outside. Let's see the video. The group is
huddled outside and we hear the officer speaking to the
(04:16):
friend Hunter Johnson, and Johnson is saying, up here, up here,
I just came to check in here and this is
what I found. I checked to see if she's breathing,
and she's I think this is going to be not
I didn't check him yet, referring to Ethan. Then you
hear a Moscow first responder state looks like dead bodies.
Speaker 8 (04:39):
Yes, this is the absolute first response to this home
after getting that nine to one one call. And during
that call, the girl in the house try to explain
what happened that they think they saw someone at four am,
but the officer, the dispatcher just wants to know who
(05:00):
they can try and help. So immediately after we see
what we saw in the cut that just played, EMTs
start rushing up to the house and this officer who
was the first on scene, who first went to check
on everything, he has to stop this group of twenty
five ants that show up to the house and say,
(05:21):
you know, we don't think we need your services.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So it's just horrifying. Oh God, oh dear Lord in heaven,
you know. Chris mcdonnah joining menditioned Jesscott Morgan Chris McDonagh,
director Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective, hundreds hundreds of
homicides under his belt, Star off the interview room on YouTube. Chris,
(05:48):
you've been on this case all over it since the beginning.
You've been to the scene and when we see as
you have been. I've come up on so many crime
scenes in the middle of the night, early early, crazy
early morning hours three four or five am. And that's
what you see.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
You see the.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Victims and the witnesses like standing out in a cold
parking lot. Remember this is Idaho at Thanksgiving, and everyone
is huddled out there, holding themselves, shivering, and up come
the police. I wonder if they know, they've got to know,
they've got to know everybody's dead, because nobody's coming out.
(06:31):
Chris mcdone, I bet you've come up on so many
scenes like this, Yeah, Nancy.
Speaker 9 (06:35):
And of course the officer there is responding from the
dispatch call of an unconscious female. And the first thing
you notice when you get there, to your point is
you see this huddled group of you know, college students.
But as you get near the door, you see one
(06:55):
of the kids has his hands above his head. That's
a signal that okay, there's something big going on here
that this kid is seeing. And so he grabbed his
medic bag, goes up those stairs and the young man
is punter is pointing out what is going on in there,
and the offshore immediately does the assessment of okay, this
(07:18):
is a crime scene. So he's now gone from a
rescue mission to a criminal investigation almost instantaneously, within a
couple of minutes of this particular video, and that's when
this whole thing starts to take another shift.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Chrissy just says something that really gutted me. Look at
the one wrapped up in a blanket out there, Doctor
Bethany Marshall, he just said something that really struck a nerve.
And guys, we've got so much to play, but this
is what you do when you prepare for a case.
You look and you look at it, and you look
(07:56):
at it and you look at it. Notes everything matter,
Doctor Bethany Marshall. I'm going to give you a full
INChO in a moment. But Chris McDonough said about the
one kid, I think that it was Hunter with his
hands up. It just hit me about all the crime
scenes I've been to and all the crime victims and
(08:16):
their families. They would be like lying face down in
the grass on the front yard. They would be stretched
over a car, crying, screaming their heads up like he
just was describing, like in the air. It's a physical
reaction like this, or like hugging themselves or bent over
(08:36):
or bent over vomiting, or bent over crying, or just
bent over the physical response to what is happening around them.
And I didn't even notice that until McDonough said it.
You see him just like standing there like this, like
he doesn't.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
Know what to do.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
What is that, well, Nancy, just a moment before he
says to the officer that he has checked to see
if one of the victims is breathing. So this is
a very bloody body. It's a shocking scene. We don't
know how he checked to see if this victim was bleeding.
Did he touch the wrists the neck? So he's actually
really gone in and engaged with that crime scene. And
(09:17):
to me, the hands over the head is almost like
the horror of having to touch the victims and getting
his hands as far away as possible. Also kind of
like an act of surrender, like I give up, My
hands are in the air. This is what we see
people do actually when maybe they're about to be arrested
or incarcerated or something, they back up, like the hands
(09:38):
in the air. I have nothing to do with this
kind of thing. And it's almost as there's a confusion
between did he do it. Did somebody else do it?
What did he just touch? It's such a horrible I
love what Joe Scott Morgan said, like the fog of war.
No time to digest or to take in or metabolize
(09:58):
what he has just so he's just backing up in horror.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
All I'm sorry to cut you off, but just what
this MF did when I'm seeing it, when you see it, like,
we can talk about it and talk about it, but
when you see it and you think what Coburger did
and the dichotomy. You go in there and it looks like,
(10:22):
you know, a fun house where a bunch of college
students live, and you think about what he did to them.
I can hardly contain it. And there he is whining
about his food. I just and you see the girls
out front, just huddled up once in a blanket, they're
holding themselves. All of this is nonverbal communication responding to
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this horrendous, horrendous thing that has happened to their friends.
And you know another thing, Sydney Sumner with me, Sydney,
I know that part of Kyberger's defense was some other
dude did it, and he was actually going to blame.
They were looking for somebody to blame.
Speaker 8 (11:08):
Yes, Coberger's defense team was at some point looking at
the boyfriends of the women who lived in this home.
Even on scene. In this bodycam video, we see some
questions come up, is anyone having trouble with boyfriends right now?
So yes, Coburger's defense team was definitely looking at all
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of the men in these women's these victims' lives, trying
to see if it was anyone that they already knew,
because as we know, this house is very, very confusing.
So I think cops definitely and Coburger's defense team thought
that they could get away with blaming someone who had
more familiarity with this house.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I want to follow up what Sidney Summer just told us.
Greg Morse is joining me. Veteran defense attorney, founder of
Morse Legal, author of the Untested on Amazon, is at
Morse legal dot com. I guess in your world, the
Greg Morse defense attorney world, that's what you do. You
(12:10):
look for somebody to blame. Even though you may suspect
your client did it murdered four people, you still got
to find somebody depend it on other than him. It's
sop standard operating procedure. It could be an ex boyfriend.
It could be a current boyfriend. It could be this
guy who is about to vomit at what he has
found holding his hands up in there. Hey, he's a man,
(12:31):
Let's blame him. That's the way it works, right, Morse,
tell the truth.
Speaker 10 (12:35):
Well, so when you're looking at these cases, the defense
is looking at what can the state prove? What is
the state's evidence? So not actually what happened, It doesn't matter.
The state has the obligation to prove. So they probably
looked at this and they saw that two of the roommates,
you know, waited to call the police, and they probably explored,
is there is the evidence, you know, there that we could.
Speaker 11 (13:00):
Suggest that other people were involved?
Speaker 8 (13:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (13:03):
I mean and and I think the evidence when you're
defending someone like this, what else you're going to say?
Speaker 9 (13:09):
So, so, there's nothing wrong with them.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
He did I'm guilty. That's one thing that you could say. Okay, Morse,
before I go down a route, Greg.
Speaker 11 (13:18):
But he did that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
He did that.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Can I get you? Can I just move you forward
to the next that we've got so much Listen to this, guys,
watch this.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Let me secure the outside first.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
That there's ana trio going to start taking it off,
running through the outside off and I got in there,
shut it off.
Speaker 12 (13:51):
There.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
You're the officer trying to secure it, saying I've got
to I got to right here. Talking about two dead bodies,
I got two right here already. The house is clear.
In other words, the suspect's not there. There's not a
live suspect there. The house is clear to walk through.
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And they shut the dog, which is common because you
don't know when the dog is gonna go crazy to
start biting. You shut the dog in there. I'm curious
where he shut the dog. But before I analyze that,
I want you to hear more from the survivors. This
is Dylan Morton's listen, all right, what do you remember?
Speaker 7 (14:34):
You're saying?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
We started? I remember I was in my room, am
I trying to go to bed? And they heard Kelly?
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Who real fast? Which one is your room?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Kelly?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Which one is your room?
Speaker 7 (14:47):
Room are you in?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You were in that room, my room, not seeing this
room my room and your room is.
Speaker 12 (14:55):
That one second floor? All I heard was I heard
heard go upstairs and go okay, I'm gonna go to
street down because she's going upstairs.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And the dog Murphy.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
And upstairs to the very top.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, that's where her Dr Bethany. This is just gutting
me because you can hear somebody wailing crying in the background.
It's all dawning on them. What's what's really happening. They
haven't seen the bodies yet, remember the friend hunter saw them.
They don't really know what's happening, and it's all just
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hitting them. They're out in the parking lot. That's Dylan
Mortenson wrapped up in the blanket, clutching herself and they're
looking around. Their friends aren't coming out, and the place
is swarming with police and you hear somebody start crying
in the background.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Nancy. They don't know what we know or what the
viewers know. They know nothing. All they know is that
there was screaming and crying. And what breaks my heart
with Dylan is she waited to go to bed until
her friend went upstairs. I mean, you just see that
table with all the solo cups on it. It's like
they were It's a scene of a party, kids having fun,
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kids like staying up ordering door dash whatever, just enjoying
their lives. And the horrifying disruption of all of that
They're just these four kids are just trying to piece
it together and they can't yet.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
They're just in shock to Sydney summer joining me in
Crime Stories investigative reporter Sidney, what is probative about that
body camp we just showed. We're learning a lot from
every word. I remember, I was in my room. I
was trying to go to bed. I heard Kelly, which
one is your room? She's describing whose room is where,
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and she says, all I heard was I heard her
go upstairs, like, okay, I'm going to go to sleep now,
Kelly and the dog Murphy. What do you learn? What
does this prove Sydney well for me?
Speaker 8 (17:07):
So first we have to get in our minds that
the entire time Dylan insists Kylee went upstairs, Kaylee screamed,
Kaylee ran down the stairs, and the officer even points
this out later. He says to another officer, she somehow
knows she was somehow able to discern this with Kaylee,
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but we don't think that's actually true. So we have
to think about the layout of the house. So Kaylee
and Maddie were asleep upstairs. Xanna's room was on the
second floor, where Dylan's room was So the only thing
that makes sense for somebody to have ran down those
stairs is Vanna, not Kaylee, not Maddie. So we have
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to get that in our heads as we're listening to
Dylan's recollection of events. But it just proves to me
that someone was there. These women are correct, someone was
in their house. So as far as we know, all
they know is that Xanna was found unconscious.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I said, Si said, says, hold on, hold on, you're
saying someone's in the house. Said, do you think at
the time when we think Kelly was saying, Hey, I'm
gonna go to bed, I'm gonna go to sleep, do
you think he was already in the house, Because now
I believe that he was already in there waiting for
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them to go to sleep. I don't think that they
all went to their beds and then he snuck in.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
I agree with you. And we also learned later that
Maddie was the last person to take Murphy out. So
Mattie checks in with Dylan and bethany one more time. Hey,
I lost Murphy. I can't get him to come inside.
Is he with either of y'all? She is looking for
the dog, So again. This dog, who they described for
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weeks was on edge before the murders, who would constantly
going going off into the woods and wouldn't come back
when called, just acting very very oddly, does the same
thing this night when they're taking him out for the
last time. So I'm kind of feeling like Coberger was watching,
watching as they took the dog out for the very
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last time, and maybe snuck in just behind them as.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
They brought the dog in, turning on the location of
the emergency.
Speaker 12 (19:25):
He's talking.
Speaker 9 (19:31):
Emergency one.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 12 (19:47):
I remember I was in my room, can I turning
into bed and they heard Kaylee heard go upstairs. Okay,
I'm gonna go to seat down because you're going upstairs
over Kaylee and.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
The dog Marti.
Speaker 11 (20:00):
Because we were so scared, and that's what.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
She's waking up. Just released bodycam from the night of
the murders the morning after, now flooding our senses, overwhelming,
gut wrenching. Of course, this wasn't released until after a
plea deal had been offered to the ire the anger
(20:32):
the exhaustion of some of the victims' families. They did
not want this plea deal, So now we got to
give coburg Or three hots and cots for the rest
of his life. A see wines about the food behind bars.
This is bringing the harsh reality of what police found
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the morning after. Let's watch and then ultimately.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
You're looking up.
Speaker 12 (20:59):
I heard a screen and she ran downstairs because she
saw someone that's but I'm pretty sure she said she
someone's here, and she's screamed and just ran downstairs and
I called for a name. They jump up and locked
my door. So I was so scared, and I heard
someone in the fastroom when I heard her crying, and
I heard some guy say that you're gonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I'm to help you. And I kept calling your name,
but she wasn't answering.
Speaker 12 (21:22):
And then I opened the door for a second and
I saw this guy and he was not in seemly told, but.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
He's doing all black and like this mask.
Speaker 12 (21:29):
I was just covering his forehead and his mouth, and
I locked the door and I called.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yes, you know, it all seemingly happened a lot faster
than we visualized based on what the district attorney had
originally told us that they were all going to bed
after a lullaby and then basically died in their sleep.
That's not what happened at all, Doctor Bethany Marshall. What
(21:58):
about this get up? Doctor Athony Marshall or now Psychoalyside
the La Jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker. You can see
her now on Peacock and find her a doctor Bethany
Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany. He's all dressed up. Somebody's
been watching too many movies, right, all dressed up in black,
with the hat, the mask, the black outfit covering his clothes, everything.
(22:22):
He really thought this suit. It's like he's playing a role.
He's all dressed up for it.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
It's like this is cosplay as a mouse murderer. Right
In some ways, he's embodied this role for so many years.
He's fantasized about it, he's thought about it, he's taught,
he's done studies, asked other people about sexual crimes during
the course of a burglary. I mean, this is his
reason for living, Nancy. This is his moment of glory.
(22:52):
This is the bride standing in front of the altar
saying Yay, I'm going to finally get married. But what
I see in all of this is terrifying scene that
turns into a melee.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Doctor Bethne, You're right, the stark reality of what we're
seeing and there's so much to take in, is very
different than what we were told. I mean, what do
they think?
Speaker 8 (23:16):
We are?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Fat, dumb and happy. We can't figure it out and
now we're just going to go along with that cheap
play deal watch this.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And so I just rained down to you left that
you left here.
Speaker 12 (23:29):
Let's my room down she's when with the white Liline's
the very bottom. I run down there and we talked
and I just we just locked the door.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Wouldn't see anything of it.
Speaker 12 (23:38):
Really, nothing happens in month scot So we just try
to go to Beton and then we woke up and
it was weird because none of our roommates were up
and we called old and we're not waking up. It's
a mean like, this is weird. So I cold and
come over and then that's almost happy.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Did you hear that? Chris mcdonna, You and I have
walked the crime scene many many times. Nothing happens in Moscow.
They locked the door, there was no sign of force entry.
This tells me he was already in there.
Speaker 9 (24:11):
Yeah, that's that's a possibility for sure that he had
come in through that back door when the dog was
brought in. But you know, kudos to this first officer
on the scene here, the one that's interviewing Dylan.
Speaker 11 (24:23):
I mean, think about this.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
This is the largest murder at that time in Idaho,
I think probably in their history in terms of its magnitude.
This is an officer who has slow things down. He's
a new officer. I think he's in his twenties. He's
around the individuals who are the same age as him.
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He's gone into that scene, he's seen everything that's going
on in there. And there's one officer that runs up
those stairs initially and he tells him immediately slow down.
That is there are over three under decisions that need
to be made within fifteen minutes of a homicide. Over
three hundred decisions. Now think about that. This is a
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young officer, never seen anything like this, and now he's
pulled this witness apart to the side and said, okay,
what is going on here? And then Dylan starts to
tell this story and they start making those connections. Could
the dog you know, have been out? Could this suspect
have been in that house and it's it's total chaos initially,
(25:32):
but then it becomes organized chaos. And I got to
give this officer credit because he again he shifted immediately
into a crime scene preservation and crime scene investigation.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Chris McDonald, watch this through all the me.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
That form year there, Sam Samiana is the girl in
there is the girl that is this farm?
Speaker 11 (26:00):
How do you spell her name? D?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I mean x A n A. Do you know she
has a middle name alects.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
Do you know what her last name is?
Speaker 12 (26:10):
Pronodle and kay and spoil really kate you know r
and d.
Speaker 11 (26:16):
L k A E r A r k r n
O l d l e okay.
Speaker 8 (26:28):
N a okay.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Listen there, he's actually looking body here all the time.
He is a mallet, lives here and he doesn't actually
are used in the Windsana. I believe he's all right now,
he doesn't. He lives here a lot.
Speaker 12 (26:42):
And then there's Natty Morgan and Katy up talk. I
don't know where they're at now.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Jess Scott Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon and Starma
Hit podcast body bags, which is Scott Morgan Jo Scott.
He the officer immediately zoned in on Ethan. Ethan as
a male. He lives here because this is well, I'd say,
obviously statistically obviously a man did it, so he's zoned
(27:09):
right in there. But my point is you're hearing Dylan
Mortenson as she's clutching a blanket around her, sounds like
she thinks Ethan is still alive. She says he doesn't
actually live here. He's in the room with Xana, I believe.
So she's talking like he's still alive.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah, yeah, and she has no way to validate that. Again,
going back to this idea, you know, it's like she's
been it's like she's been punched in the face. At
this point in time, she's so stunned because this is
unlike anything else they've ever seen before. There and also
there's this realization that's creeping in. I've seen this actually
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happen at crom scenes where people as it begins to
kind of the tempo kind of slows down, they suddenly
suddenly have this awareness, those that are survivors that they
were actually in a house where a mass event like
this took place. A mass murder took place, and suddenly
that's beginning to trickle into their brain, and again that
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makes them sometimes rather shocky when you're going to go
talk to them and you've got all of this data
that's coming into their brain and trying to get information
out of them. This officer is very calm. I love
the way he kind of has this very kind of
kind affect or kind voice pattern where he's speaking to them.
He's very warm. He's not trying to push her in
(28:38):
any way. You just let them talk. The best way
you can get information out of somebody is to shut
your mouth and listen to them, and you kind of
gently direct them along the way because this is something
that is so incredibly traumatic for them.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
City Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter. I don't believe it
this juncture, they have any idea that everyone is lying
dead in there, because she says, I don't know where they're.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
At though, Yeah, that's Dylan speaking to an officer about
Kaylee and Maddie specifically. I don't know where they're at.
So Dylan and Bephany aren't even sure those girls are home,
so they have no idea that anyone is hurt injured,
dead except for Xanna, and yeah, they are just completely
(29:27):
out of the loop here, and later Hunter Johnson speaking
with authorities again, he's upset that he's the only one
that knows what's happening.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, and she actually thought Xanna had passed out from
the night partying. You know, you're right, Sidney at this juncture,
And why do you say that said that they don't
know what happened.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
Web you'se girls wake up after hearing this scary event
last night, and there's even some confusion about what happened.
So at one point Bethany described hearing what she thought
was a firework. So it's almost four in the morning.
All of her roommates have come home from different parties,
different events, and she thinks they're just drunk and messing around,
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and somebody set off a firework in the house. So
they don't really know what happened. They're a little bit
scared because no one's answering their phones. They're trying to
call them to just be like, Hey, I'm trying to
go to sleep, can y'all be quiet? Nobody's answering, so
that kind of freaks them out. And then Dylan sees
this guy that she doesn't recognize, so she runs down
to Bethany's room and at that point, in the dark
(30:35):
running through the house, that's when she sees Xana on
the ground. And at this point nothing seems that out
of the ordinary. Xanna without drinking, so baby Xanna is
just passed out and she's sleeping in kind of a
weird position, but Dylan doesn't really think anything of it.
When she's running down to Bethany's room and the girls
(30:56):
in the room now feeling a little bit safer since
they have each other, they not off to sleep. It's
very very late, so in the morning, they still can't
get anyone on the phone. They don't know what's going on.
They contact a friend to maybe come check the house
for them, and that friend is saying, hey, we need
to call nine one one, something is wrong here, and
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other than that, they have no idea what's going on.
The girl did not see any of the crime scene
was surviving victims. They didn't see anything of what went
on there. That's the officer's first question to Dylan when
he really starts interviewing her, how much of that did
you see? And she goes, how much of what? Nothing?
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I didn't see anything, so she's they're trying to get
more information out of these officers, but they are keeping
things very close to the chest, and the girls don't
know what's going on.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
All right, just try to describe the guy that you fall.
I don't think.
Speaker 12 (32:01):
I couldn't really say much of him, but she's I'm
almost positive he's wearing a full back outfit, and he
had this mask that was just over his forehead and
over his nose, and he didn't say anything to me, Like,
I don't know. I just shut the door and locked
it because I didn't know what to do. And I
think he went out like the side door of the
sliding door in the kitchen that goes up to the backyard.
(32:22):
And then I didn't know anything else. I called, you know,
I was like, I'd just had an downstairs and find
me because I don't know where anyone else is. And
I called Maddie, I called Danna, I called Katie nor
what answers it?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Let's hear more of what Dylan Mortenson said that morning.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I heard her screaming and run like, run as fast
as she could downstairs, and she said someone's here. She
ranas yes, I could hear you can.
Speaker 12 (32:46):
Hear everything, and I'm sure I heard her run downstairs
only fast, and then I heard Murphy parking a lot, okay,
and then I heard her going to the back. I
think there's the bathroom, and i'm her sobbing and asking
this guy's voice. I've been recognizing you're gonna.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Be okay, to hold you. But it wasn't like, I
don't know how to.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Explain it like.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
It wasn't in like a nice way. It was like
a weird way. It's a weird tue.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
You're gonna be okay. I'm gonna help you.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (33:17):
And you didn't hear anything from Taylor anymore.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Joscott Morgan, that is it leaves me speechless. She says, yes,
I can hear. You can hear everything. I heard her
run downstairs really fast, and I heard Murphy Murphy barking
a lot. She said someone's here, and I heard her
going to the bathroom, her sobbing. I mean, think about it,
(33:45):
Joe Scott, make yourself think about it. Follow it through
to its logical conclusion. She was sobbing and she hears
the guy say you're gonna be okay. Had she already
been stabbed a couple of times she was in there sobbing,
(34:05):
not dealing with killing sobbing. Why is she crying? And
she says the voice was not an unquote nice way.
It was a weird way. I'm going to help you black.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Yeah, and not surprising. Hey, there's one more point here
where we can kind of validate this. Nancy. Do you
remember when the CCTV that new batch was dropped where
we see the car going around, going around, going around.
Do you remember you can hear the dog barking, and
I mean it's like at a high pitch. And some
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people have stated, and I think Chris has kind of
talked about this a little bit, where you can see
you can hear some other sound in this that sounds
almost like a person crying out or making you know
that in pain or whatever it is. But you can
hear Murphy is going nuts. I believe that that's Murphy,
and that might validate what Dylan is saying here at
(35:04):
this point. So you've got these two points along the
way where you can go back and try to demand
the timeline. You can understand what she's saying, and all
these pieces are starting to fit together, whereas before it's
just been total confusion. So you couple this with the
CCTV images that we have that you guys are showing
right now, and you couple that with Dylan's statement, it
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becomes even more powerful.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
What kind of psychopath Dr Bethany goes in scares Kelly
like this? She's sobbing. Think make yourself imagine it. What
does she crumple down between the commode and the bathtub, hiding,
(35:50):
holding her hands up as he's stabbing her. She's already crying,
and Dylan, here's I'm going to help you. It's going
to be okay, but not in a nice way. And
we are fading this guy his special vegan meal. What
I don't understand why the prosecutor did not take this
(36:14):
to trial. Why are we just now learning the truth
this guy. If there's gonna be a death penalty, which
is a whole other political fight, this is.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
The one Nacy I feel discussed and distress just hearing this.
This poor girl, she probably was already stabbed or had
witnessed her friends being stabbed. She was in the middle
of a horror scene. She runs into the bathroom and
it's like it's almost like she got away for just
a second. And then he comes after her again, lying
(36:46):
saying he's going to help her because in his mind
he's doing some glorious, sexually exciting thing. He'll say whatever
it takes just to lure her back out again so
she doesn't die instant heeneously. She dies having witnessed something horrible,
having been inflicted, have cruelty inflicted on her bleeding seeing
(37:10):
the blood. We don't yet know exactly what that crime
scene looks like, but it made me wonder about what
amount of blood was in that bathroom.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Well, here's another thing to wonder about. To Chris mcdonna,
who has walked to the crime scene many times, Chris,
we know she's sobbing in the bathroom, but that's not
where her body was found, right right, Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 9 (37:35):
So and remember, of course, while Dylan has given this statement,
she's shaking. You can you see her hands, you know,
she she's constantly moving her hands.
Speaker 7 (37:46):
She has that.
Speaker 9 (37:47):
Blanket over her at this point. That's from all the
adrenaline that's kicking through their you know, through her body.
And so when she's giving the statement, she is of
the belief that she's hearing maybe that's Kayley, but in fact,
It probably turns out that that was Xanna who had
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gone upstairs and interrupted the fantasy of Brian Kolberger. And
then he becomes the helper of as we talked about
many times on your program here, Nancy, and that methodical
verbiage that he uses, I'm here to help you, that
gives us a mindset into this animal. He is as
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calm as a cucumber, and he.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Is actually do you see that green trash can? Isn't
that you know? Where you? Chris saw that the glove
out in the parking lot and showed the police.
Speaker 9 (38:45):
Yes, it's right behind that trash can. Correct, And that
tells us about the totality of how many decisions are
being made rather rapidly, right, There's a lot going on here,
you know.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Following up on what McDonough's saying, Doctor Beth, how angry
do you think it made Coburger for what we think
Xanna interrupting his sex fantasy that ends up in stabbing
the girls dead, you know.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
Nancy, And these kinds of crime scenes upman is not
deposited in or on the body. Often it's in another
room or in the corner of the room. Because these
guys work themselves up into such an angry frenzy that
they can't even ejaculate where they want to ejaculate. So
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when she runs into the bathroom, it's like he's watching
someone disturb his little sex scene. And when he says
to her, I'm going to help you, I think he's
so used to manipulating and lying to people, he's actually
even lying to himself that he's just there to do
(39:54):
some helpful thing to do.
Speaker 7 (39:56):
Her a favor.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
This is all consensual his wine.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Des I just can't help but wonder what the victims
are thinking when they see this guy. He says, I'm
here to help you, But he's in their home, they
don't know him, they've never seen him before, and he's
got a K bar. Hey, can I see Greg Morse
really quickly? Greg Morris, veteran trial lawyer and author.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Greg.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I don't want you to reveal any names, of course,
but you know the defense had seen all of this
bodycam video that we're just now seeing. After the plea
deals all over signed Selden delivered. Do you having seen
the evidence ever? L Like you're sitting there with your
client and you look over and you're like, I got
to get out of here. I can't even sit next
to this guy. He's so evil, But yet you managed
(40:42):
to quill that thought and carry on.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
Listen.
Speaker 10 (40:47):
I've represented for twenty five years people accused of murder,
people accused of rape of children, of adults, and every
type of crime. I'm defending the constitution as a defense, Lauren,
making sure the state follows the constitution and there's nothing improper.
Speaker 11 (41:01):
So no, I don't get into those dilemmas.
Speaker 10 (41:03):
But again, you have to divorce yourself from the emotion
of crime when you're a criminal defense lawyer as a
as a person.
Speaker 11 (41:11):
So no, I've never had those feelings.
Speaker 10 (41:13):
But I don't look at my job in defending necessarily
a person as much as what can the state prove?
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
And then Nuddy.
Speaker 7 (41:33):
And then Murphy's a dog, I want a side for
bed and.
Speaker 12 (41:39):
Were so fecal, and then I was in my bead
like about to go say, and May just said that's.
Speaker 8 (41:47):
It wasn't Murphy.
Speaker 7 (41:50):
And its bed And what I'm using still see.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
You're hearing Bethany Funk speaking to Moscow p D. This
is the morning after her roommates were murdered by Brian Coburger,
Sidney Summer, do you hear that. I was in my
bed about to go to sleep, and Mattie just said
that she lost Murphy, and she was like, I was
wondering if he was with me, and I just said
no and I went to bed. You see what's happening here,
(42:26):
all the speculation about the dog. He had been there before,
and he had befriended the dog. He knew Murphy, and
Murphy was part. Murphy the dog was part of the
scenario that night.
Speaker 8 (42:40):
Sidney, Absolutely, I think that's exactly what we're hearing. So
it seems like for me personally, when I have guests
in my home, I locked my pets in my room
with me, so I think that's probably was their usual
go to. Mattie and Kaylee plan to lock Murphy in
the room with them before they went to sleep, but
(43:01):
Mattie took Murphy out, and now that she's come back inside,
she doesn't know where he went. She's trying to find
him so they can lay down to go to sleep.
So it's unclear if Murphy was still outside, if he
was just wandering somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
In the house.
Speaker 8 (43:16):
Maybe he already found Coburger in their bedroom and was
speaking with him. But from what we know, it sounds
like these girls were asleep in the top room when
Coburger attacked Kayleie and Maddie.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Guys, listen to this, hey lest.
Speaker 7 (43:37):
She sang this month ron for there's a guy black
mass was in there. She recognized him.
Speaker 6 (43:44):
She and she heard her screaming upstairs. She got scared
and walked herself in the room and then was screaming
all stop. She's pretty sure this masked person.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
Went out that back attack and not getting on the
information should not know what the girls out they're having
pulled their decease, that they just have four people that
are kind to kind of stork.
Speaker 12 (44:13):
Okay, little bit if.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
This dog going to dog just got Morgan right there.
We're hearing they're still trying to figure this thing out
about the dog, and we've been talking about it from
the very beginning. But also they say there were no footprints.
We also hear that they haven't told Dylan that they
don't know that they're dead. They're just saying, quote, the
(44:39):
four people are unaccounted for.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Yeah, that's kind of standard fair because as soon as
you do that, it's like pulling a pin on a grenade,
because they're all going to kind of decompensate at that point, Tom,
you're not going to be able to get them back
on track relative to getting information out of them. So
less is more here. You have to kind of work
this because keep in mind, Nancy, you're seeing these gentlemen
(45:02):
on screen right here, all right. They have no idea
what they're dealing with, except that they know that they
have four college students that have literally been butchered in
this residence. They can validate that in their mind. This
is the other thing they're thinking about, the broad concept
of public safety.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Where is this guy.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
They're trying to gather as much information as they possibly
can to push it out there so that they do
it APB or whatever it is they need to do
to track this person down, because they're going to set
off a panic here.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
And again, as Sydney told us earlier, we find out
the only one that knew what had really happened was
Hunter Johnson, the kid that has hands up over his
head in anguish. Listen to Hunter Johnson, got you're here.
Speaker 7 (45:50):
Man, Thank you, someone to hang out here.
Speaker 6 (45:53):
I just want to know this going on.
Speaker 7 (45:55):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 13 (45:59):
How much I'm wanting to disclose right now, we're we're
processing what's going on in the scene.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
As soon as we know for sure we can tell
you guys what's going on, We absolutely will.
Speaker 7 (46:13):
I know it sucks to be in the dark with this.
But okay, and what's your what's your relationship again?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Okay? Yeah, I mean as soon as soon as I
know we're able to fill you in.
Speaker 6 (46:33):
On what's going on, we'll we'll let you know, okay, okayks,
So you guys watching Vampire Diaries out in this main
the second level, okay, and then for how long.
Speaker 7 (46:43):
I don't know, men, not anything for the club, and.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Then we all have.
Speaker 7 (46:52):
So Maddie.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
And Kaylee.
Speaker 7 (46:57):
We're at the club, you know, you know how long.
Speaker 13 (47:00):
And they were there closing at least I don't know.
Speaker 7 (47:03):
They went to.
Speaker 13 (47:06):
Okay, and then they came home at about what time?
It's okay, you're doing great. So they did get home
at two?
Speaker 7 (47:25):
How do you know that?
Speaker 1 (47:29):
So they're all sitting around watching Vampire Diaries. Some of
the girls go out, they come back in, they're talking,
they'll start going to bed. What does this mean? Sydney summer?
Bethany says, how do The cop says, how do you know?
It's around two, and she says, I just have a
picture of Kelly's room with Murphy. What does that mean?
Did they take selfie or something?
Speaker 8 (47:49):
That's what I would assume. That's what that means to me.
So she said, I know that they were home at
this time because I have a photo with Murphy at
this time. So it's an approximation, but that would be
my assumption she took a photo with Murphy, or she
took a photo of Murphy and using that timespamp she
determined when they got home.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
All of this being released as we learn of damning
searches Coburger made on his phone and devices. Once he
finds out as he frantically visits the Moscow PD site
that if white A launtra has been seen, he looks
up detailing for his car. He immediately goes online and
starts trying to sell his car. So damning all of this,
(48:36):
A jury will never see a jury, we'll never hear
no wonder. The Gonsalvast family is so angry about this.
We wait as justice continues to unfold. Nancy Grace signing off,
Goodbye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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