June 22, 2020 • 39 mins
From Elliot Rodger to Scott Bierle, angry men who post online manifestos against women because they can't find a romantic or sexual partner. They are "involuntary celibates." Their anger builds until they strike out and someone dies. Today Nancy Grace looking at cases of murder by this subculture.
Joining our panel of experts:
- Ashley Willcott - Judge and trial attorney, Anchor on Court TV
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Beverly Hills
- Cloyd Steiger - 36 years with Seattle Police Department, 22-year homicide detective, author of "Seattle's Forgotten Serial Killer: Gary Gene Grant"
- Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, author of "Blood Beneath My Feet"
- Levi Page - Investigative reporter CrimeOnline
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
What is an n cell I n c L It's
a man who claims he is an involuntary celibate lood.
That's so kN just for a moment, an involuntary celibate
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And how does that relate to not only a professional
massus's murder, a woman who has a little girl left
behind without a mom and a string of dead bodies.
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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace inell in cell involuntary celibate. Well,
you know what, I don't know what they're calling themselves
or why, but I know murder when I see it.
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I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Take a listen
to Global News investigative journalist Stuart Bell. A man allegedly
went into an erotic massage parlor in Toronto called the
Crown Spot. He allegedly attacked a young woman with a
machete and killed her, and then attacked a second woman.
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Global News has now learned that police are alligion that
this attack was related to insell ideology. There have been
growing calls for this in cells to be viewed and
to be treated by the authorities as a domestic terrorist threat.
Those of US studding in some movement of arguing that
this terrrisment for a long time. I in his ideological
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violence talked to out civilians, you know, intended to spread
a political message, all kind of spread cycle Conferna talking
to the community. So it takes every book in terms
of terrorism. They may call it terrorism, you may call
it whatever you wish, but I know this. A young
man stabs a woman to death inside her massage parlor
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with a sword. He is linked to the quote insell movement.
And he's not the only one. Take a listen now
to CBC Knees reporter Ellen Morrow, twenty four year old
Ashley Noel Arzaga was killed. A loving mother to a
young daughter and now a victim of terrorism, says the
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RCMP crime was in fact one in which the accused
was inspired by the violent extremist movement commonly known as Insall.
And so today the charges against the seventeen year old
male suspect in the February stabbing at a Toronto massage
parlor were upgraded, the first time an alleged INSALL inspired
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killing has been formally labeled as terrorism by police. As
we need to name things properly in order to deal
with them well, and a kind of a path towards
ending this kind of violence. The path toward ending this
kind of violence I as soon would start with identifying
and targeting so called in cells with me an all
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star panel to break it down and put it back
together again with me. Ashley Wilcott, judge and trial lawyer,
Court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
renowned psychoanalyst, joining me from Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany
Marshall dot com. Cloyd Styger thirty six years Seattle PD,
twenty two of that homicide. Author of Seattle's Forgotten Killer.
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Gary Jane Grant on Amazon, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University
and author of Blood Beneath My Feet also on Amazon.
Deaf investigator Joseph Scott Morgan. But right now to leave
my page. Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. What can
you tell me about the machete murder at the Crown Spa?
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So Nancy, This seventeen year old was charged with murder
when he went to a massage spa in Toronto and
he killed hated death twenty four year old Ashley Noel Arzaka.
She had a little daughter as well that she left behind.
And the motive is is that he apparently was inspired
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by in cell killers in the past. And these are
people that go on online communities and they blame women
for not being able to have a sexual partner. They
also they call these women stacy's and they also blame
men that get a lot of dates and are very
popular with women. They call them chats. They're very angry,
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they talk nonsense about them online. They blame all their
problems in life on these women and men that they
feel are more attractive than them. And they're very missogynistic.
They feel that they entitled to have sexual encounters with women.
And this teenager was apparently inspired after going on these
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fringe websites on the internet. Guys in this case, a
young mother to a little girl is now dead, hacked
dead at her massage parlor place of business by a
young man who is part of an in cell group. Now,
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another thing that we know is he allegedly was partially
inspired by a guy named Elliott Roger. But as Jackie
here has pointed out, in the same jurisdiction, another in
cell takes action. Take a listen to CBC News correspondent
Diana Swain accused is alleged to have posted a cryptic
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message on Facebook minutes before he began driving the rented van.
Not post begins with what maybe a reference to his
failed army experience private recruit Menascian infantry, and then the
in cell rebellion has already begun. All hail the supreme Gentleman,
Elliott Roger. I don't know why you girls aren't attracted
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to me, but I will punish you all for it.
Roger killed six people in a rampage in California four
years ago, posting this ranting video just before. He was
angry about being rebuffed by women, making him a so
called in cell or involuntary celibate. Maxim Fisette works for
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a center that tracks websites with extreme and violent views,
including in cell sites. They have this huge resentment towards
society and women, mostly women, because they feel that women
are rejecting them. They feel that women are rejecting them,
and they hold up a guy named Elliott Rogers as
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their their leader. Take a listen now again to CBC
News correspondent Diana Swain, journalist across the country and around
the world, we're grappling with a new term in the
wake of the Toronto van attack, one most of us
had never heard. On Facebook, police say, he wrote, the
in cell rebellion has already begun. In cell? Is it
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to our meaning involuntary celibate? Many of those who call
themselves in cell identify with this man, some even praising
him for acting on his anger over being turned down
by women by going on a murderous rampage four years ago.
In a video he posted before the attack, Roger spoke
about women rejecting his advances. Self described in cells mostly
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congregate online and often fit a similar description. Mostly comprised
of young men's, most of them being white. The subculture
even has its own terms, chands and Stacey's, referred to
regular men and women who are having sex, the common
themes being anger, alienation, and misogyny. Straight out to Leavi
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page Crime online dot com LEVI, first, we had the
attack on the young mom. They massus at her massage parlor,
leaving her daughter without a mom. What can you tell
me about the Toronto van attack. So this happened in
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Canada and the suspect Alec Minissan. He deliberately targeted pedestrians
in the business district of Toronto, which is a very
busy intersection there, and he took this vandity had printed
and rammed it into this busy intersection. He killed ten
people and injured sixteen, some critically. And he was also
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inspired by the in cell movement, claiming that he was
rejected by women sexually, and he was very angry about
it and wanted to take out all of his angst
on these people. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
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are talking about the so called in cell movement, in
voluntary sulivans, men who don't let me just say euphemistically
have girlfriends or romantic partners, and somehow they twist that
end to a misogynistic and homicidal rage against all women. Clearly,
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in the last two cases we told you about the
van attack and the machete attack on a young massus.
The killers didn't know their female victims, but those victims
represented something to the killer rejection. Many of the so
called insals hold up a guy called the Virgin Killer,
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Elliott Rogers, as I guess their founder and mascot the
Insall Revolution. Well, let me let you decide what you
make of Elliott Roger. Here he is talking on YouTube. Hi,
Elliot Roger here, Well, this is my last video. It
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all has to come to this. Tomorrow is the day
of retribution, the day in which I will have my
revenge against humanity, against all of you. For the last
eight years of my life, ever since I've hit puberty,
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I've been forced to endure an existence of loneliness, rejection,
and unfulfilled desires. Oh, because girls have never been attracted
to me. Girls gave their affection and sex and love
to other men, but never to me. I'm twenty two
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years old and still a virgin. Two. Doctor Bethany Marshall. Wait, Bethany,
I want a little bit more fat back up on
Elliot's Roger before we analyze him. To leave my page,
tell me about Elliott Roger and the crimes he committed.
So Eliot Roger twenty two years old and in twenty
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fourteen he terrorized the Isla Vista community near Spanta, Barbara, California.
He killed six people, wounded a dozen, and they committed suicide.
In twenty fourteen, he stabbed three men in his apartment,
went to a frat house because remember he's very angry
at you know, young attractive guys. He couldn't get in,
so he shot three women who just happened to be
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outside that all. And then he started driving around similar
to the Toronto Ateque, and started hitting people with his cars.
He wounded several people, ultimately shot himself, and as you
heard in that audio, he was angry about being a
virgin and did several videos lamenting his unpopularity. Okay, jump
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in bathany well, Nancy. I think they may use their
hatred of women as a rationalization for being homicidal. But
to me, they're no different than any other group that
goes in and does a mass shooting in a school,
a university, a synagogue, a church, a mosque. That these men,
as I've often said, are what we call injustice collectors.
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Whatever the injustice is, they simmer, They are resentful, and
they collect these injustices throughout their childhood and their adolescence.
In this case, these insults say that they are angry
at women for not finding them a practive or having
them as sexual partners. I think this is just a
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rationalization for committing murder. I think these women are just
symbols to them. They're putting a face to every person
throughout the history of their life who they feel has
diminished or slighted them. Unfortunately, women like xenophobia have become
a class or a group of people who just represent
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all of their hatred. Much like when let's say Ahmed
Arbery was killed. It's the same psychology. And although in
that case African Americans became the symbol for all the
perpetrators rage. I could use another term for Elliott Rogers
and we would call it a power rapist. A power
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rapist is somebody who wants to have power over women
and often tries to have power over people in every
other part of his life. But in this case it
just got enacted towards women rather than say, coworkers or
other students at a school. Well, as a matter of fact,
this is Ashley. Can I just jump in, I just
such their best so calm? Who can be calm about those?
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I mean not that you shouldn't not be calm, doctor Bethany,
that's your expertise, But I'm just saying I cannot sit
quiet any longer because they're committing crimes. None of what
they're citing as a reason. And oh they're involuntary celibacy.
That is not a reason to commit crimes. That is
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not a reason to be violent. So I think it's
the first. I think they're coming up with some excuse
for why they want to go out there and to
hurt people, And I just can't stomach it. You know, Ashley,
I was going to go to you regarding all of
the festering and they gnashing of teeth and switching of
tails online. How online they kind of build some type
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of a spree decorp amongst themselves and whip themselves into
a frenzy. But doctor Bethany just says she compares this
to a power of rape. And as a matter of fact,
doctor Bethany after virgin killer Elliot Rogers goes on his
shooting rampage at the Alpha Pite sorority house, it turns
out he admitted to a friend who was among thirty
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people that received his murderous manifesto, that he wanted to
hold women down and rape them. So it's all intertwined.
But let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Take a
listen to Elliott Roger, the so called virgin killer who
murdered multiple young women outside of sorority house, talking retribution
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on YouTube has been very tortuous. College is the time
when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun
and pleasure. In those years, I've had to rot in loneliness.
It's not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me.
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I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me,
but I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice,
a crime, because I don't know what you don't see
in me. I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw
yourselves and all these obnoxious men instead of me, the
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supreme gentleman. Okay, just trying to soak that in to
you leave my page. This guy has been brought up
with a silver spoon in his mouth. Who is his dad? Yeah?
I think his dad was a doctor, wasn't He came
from a very well to do family. I thought his
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dad was like a movie direct Yeah. His dad's a
movie director, a really big movie Yeah. Yeah, that's a ticket.
Nancy's a movie director. Forget the whole doctor thing. I
think I gotta equipped another out of influential father. But yes,
another in celle, but the dad, Jackie Google from me.
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His dad directed a lot of blockbuster movies. This guy
is raised in your neck of the woods, Doctor Bethany,
right there, in La cruising up and down Rodeo drive
as they say. Take another listen to Elliott Roger talking
his word not Mine retribution on YouTube. The day of Retribution,
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I Am going to enter the hottest sorority house of
UCSP and I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck up,
blonde slut I see inside there, all those girls that
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I've desired so much. They would have all rejected me
and looked down upon me as inferior man if I
ever made a sexual advance towards them while they throw
themselves at these obnoxious brutes, I'll take great pleasure in
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slaughtering all of you. You will finally see. But I
am in true the superior one, the true alpha male. Yes,
after I've annihilated every single girl in the sorority house,
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I'll take to the streets of Isla Vista and slay
every single person I see there climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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we are talking about a movement called in cell Involuntary Celibates.
Their founder, their mascot is Elliot Rogers. His dad produced directed,
Excuse Me, assistant director to the Hunger Games series of movies,
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and so many more. This guy Elliot Rogers was born
with a silver spoon in his mouth, yet his hatred
of women. It's all who will be remembered for in
addition to being a killer. Listen to Elliot Rogers in
his own words. Hey, Elliot Roger here, I'm up in
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the hills in mont Cito right now. It's truly a
beautiful day. But as I've always said, a beautiful environment
is the darkest hell if you have to experience it
all alone. And sadly, I've been alone for a very
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long time. I've been attending college in Santa Barbara for
about two and a half years now. In those two
and a half years, I've experienced nothing but loneliness and misery.
And my problem is girls. There are so many beautiful
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girls here, but none of them give me a chance.
And I don't know why. I don't know why you
girls are so repulsed by me. Well, apparently women pick
up on his bad vibes. I won't touch him with
a ten foot poll. On the other hand, men across
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the country are feeding off hatred online on misogynistic websites,
including a man who gets a gun and heads to
a Tallahassee hot yoga studio. Listen to this. No one
wasn't address the emergency. And then Hot Yoga Talahassee Betton's place. Okay,
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what's a common stool road? Somebody came into yoga studio.
What's a gun and shotman? We had a couple of
people walk into him. There might be an active shooter
down gone at the end of the year. Okay, and
then down near the hot yoga by chance, because we
do have a call reference to someone who possibly shout
in yeah the hot yoga Yeah, okay, all right, have
you guys seen anything down that way at all? A
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hurt anything? We've got We've got one person that was
leading that came in. I was not in the studio
when there was a shooting. Nyama's Kindagoria food and the
person who saw the shooting came to answer Jugloria's food
for help. Okay, around we have we have been shot. Okay,
shot in Suo Gloria Food. Okay, you're hearing part of
(21:56):
a NYE wall and call. There at a hot yoga studio.
They're at Tallahassee where a huge university nearby the studio
catering to the young women there. Take a listen to
more of that nine one one, call, three? Got everybody?
Really hit he's still there? Wait, what's your store colding? Hey? Okay, Carla,
are you looking like three box MANU? Okay? We hey, okay,
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calm down, baby. We got him on the way. Okay,
they got him on the way. Are you going to say, play?
What's the store? Cold? Has yo got kills? Wait? What's
your store? Colding? You'll think, okay, we got them? What's
your name? The hitters still there? I think he shot
on their people, but I okay, if you have to
see her out of the shooter. Yeah, he was like
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and he was like call. He was wearing white ray shorts.
He was kind of happy, you gotta belly. He was
wearing a hard camp. He came in tide the room
when he wore shooting out everybody really okay, people down
in the floor that he shot? Okay, people down here,
like three okay? Three? Three or four? People? Okay. You're
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hearing the terror in the voice of those women. A
forty year old gunman opens fire on a Tallahassee yoga class,
killing a twenty one year old and a female doctor
who happened to be there before shooting five others listen
to this this morning. Troubling new details are emerging about
the man responsible for the deadly shooting at a Tallahassee
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yoga studio. Police identifying the gunman as forty year old
Scott Paul Barley. Authorities say he killed two people on
Friday and shot five others before taking his own life.
It appears Barley posted dozens of misogynistic and racist videos
on YouTube. The videos, which were not widely viewed, have
been removed by YouTube because of their offensive content. According
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to arrest records, Barley had a history of harassing women
in Florida. According to one Tallahassee police incident report, in
twenty twelve, he was arrested for battery for grabbing girls
butts near FSU campus. A twenty sixteen arrest report for
battery states that Barley approached a woman at a Tallahassee
area pool and slapped her butt, grabbed it, and shook it.
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Both charges were eventually dropped to climb onlines LEVI page
Who is Scott Barley? What happened in the hot yoga studios? So?
Scott Barley is different from the other young men that
we've mentioned. He's older, he's forty years old, and he
said that he in a YouTube video he made. He
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said it was titled the Flight of the Adolescent. Now
he compared himself, his younger self to Aaron Rodgers. And
he made also a video called Rebirth of My Misogyny.
So he's very angry at women. And he went to
a hot yoga studio in Tallahassee and killed sixty one
year old, shot sixty one year old Nancy van Visam
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and twenty one year old Laura Binkley straight out to death.
Investigator and professor forensic jacksonvill State University Joseph Scott, Morgan
Joe Scott, how do you go into a scene like
that right there at FSU's doorsteps, a yoga studio that
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caters to the young women at FSU, and make sense
of a crime scene where I believe seven or eight
people were shocked. It's an absolute hellish nightmare as an
investigator because you have to disconnect your kind of human
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side from you know what you have to do as
an investigator, get your mind right before you go in there.
And I gotta tell you, Nancy, the fact that it's Tallahassee,
the fact that it's right off campus from FSU. You
know where I'm going with this. You know, I think
about Ted Bundy and how he walked into the sorority
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house there, crept into it and beat those girls to
death in there, and you know that kind of hearkens
back to that moment, Tom, and I think he shares
a lot of similarities. It's a very kind of disorganized
event that takes place. It's brutal, it's bloody. You've got
evidence everywhere, and you have to process this scene very
very carefully because you don't really know at that moment
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in time when all of this is going down. You know,
people at home might not understand this when all this
is a dynamic environment. So when you show up as
an investigator at the scene, you have to work each
in every case as if it will be a prosecutable case.
In this case, this individual took his own life. But
you know, you have to be able to handle the
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case and process it so that you're going to cover
every jot and tittle along the way, so that you
don't want to miss anything, because the devil is in
the details. You've got brass spent brass, it's laying everywhere.
You've got ammunition that has our browns that have passed
through bodies. You've got broken glass, you've got blood, people
trying to literally scurry for their life, and there's blood everywhere.
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You know, you'll have cross trails of blood where people
will trek through other people's blood many times, and it
will tell a story about the horror that these people
experienced at the hands of an individual like this, very
similar to what happened with Ted Bundy to our friend
Cloyd's Tiger thirty six years Seattle, pg. Twenty two of
that on homicide. This guy barely had been banned from campus.
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There's a reason for that. He had been grabbing women's behind,
touching them, fondling them until the point he was banned,
but nothing was done. Yeah, you know, that's the problem,
is there's not There's only so much you can do
because all that stuff as misdemeanors. You can trespass the
guy from there. And I've been to like Joe Scott
was munching. I've been I don't know how many mass
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shooting scenes at workplaces, in private homes, at college campuses,
and is it's a mess, and you have sometimes dozens
or hundreds of witnesses to interview, and yeah, just the
problem is there's not much you can do for people
just doing things at a misdemeanor level and you know
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they're bad news, or even if they're crazy, you know
their mental health laws are not efficient to prevent violence
from these people who show all these warning signs. Time
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stories with Nancy Grace, all the warning signs were there.
More in cell attacks have occurred, an attack and a
spa where a young massus, a mother of a little girl,
was killed with a machete by an in cell van
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killing in the same jurisdiction by an in cell up
another young woman. Their leader. Their posthumous mascot, Elliott Rogers,
is so called Virgin Killer. But now we're talking about
Scott Berley, a forty year old in cell already banned
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from FSU campus. I want you to take a listen
to Scott Berley himself speaking on YouTube. Girls. If you
want to know or curious why in part guys are
so anxious and aggressive and in a hurry, just watch
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any number of of television shows that have like thirteen
fourteen year olds. Let me forget about high school students
as as their characters going on dates and doing any
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any variety of things. He's what blaming thirteen and fourteen
year old girls, I guess girls on TV that have
dates for his misogyny. Did you hear that to doctor
Bethany Marshall? Why is he blaming TV characters? Well, all
of these in cell perpetrators have in common this extraordinary
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sense of victimization, that bad things are happening to them
at the hands of women, and as if they have
no agency in their life. You know, go get an education,
go work out, go socialize yourself, go do something so
that you can become appealing to the women around you.
But they are not acting on their own behalf. They're
just blaming other people. Bethany, I have a problem with
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what you just said because I don't I want to
look again. I'm just a trial lawyer. But I don't
think anybody should go to school, go work out, try
to go to law school, try to write a book,
try to impress somebody else, or to try to get
them to like you or date you. You do you're
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thinking about good mental health. You're thinking that I don't
even know what I'm talking What you're talking about is
in a healthy population, you can trust that you're loved
by another person. You don't have to keep doing more
and more to earn their trust or love. But I'm
talking about stars. You just said something I try to
tell John, David and Lucy that don't if you have
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a friend, and I guess when you get older, you
could say girlfriend, boyfriend that you feel you've got to
act a certain way, or you have to be cool,
or you have to look a certain way, or you
have to have the cool devices or that. No, you
need to be friends with somebody that likes you just
the way you are. You know what, Beth, My husband David,
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when he sees me all done up for TV, He's like,
you know what, you look beautiful, but I just like
it with no makeup or at all, the real you
Now see, that's love right there. I don't have to
be a certain way for him to love me. I
want you to listen, Beth, and it's particularly you to
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Scott be Eily talking again. Why do they take to YouTube?
They do listen. I feel compulsion now to discuss and
address the origins of my misogynism and in the rebirth,
and when it was reborn, nobody, nobody emerges out of
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the one particular way or viewing or seeing one particular
group of people one particular way. It occurs over a
source of accumulated experiences, or maybe it's one perpetual individual.
I know a girl and I was teaching. I hated
her mom and she was kind of a didn't she Well,
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that's a whole other story. He's starting to ramble, but
he's trying to explain why he's having a rebirth of
a misogyny. But here's the reality. Let's go to cut four.
Take a listen to Blanca decoc and parents describing what
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happened at the hands of an in cell. See his face.
He smiles at me and just starts shooting, like like
a smirky, grimacey smile. But it was a smile. He
was just he wanted to do this. He looked happy
about it. I honestly, first of all, it didn't seem real.
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I thought, is this rubber bullets? And then I realized
I'm bleeding, I'm in pain. I had to call my mom.
I just told her I've been shot. I don't know
what happened. It's crazy, but I love you. I'm afraid
I'm gonna die so much, so much I love you
so much. I'm angry that it happened and that it
does still happen. We need to change this violence. How
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did he slip through the cracks? Shouldn't happen. She's describing
an in cell looking at her and smiling at her,
somebody she doesn't even know, before shooting her and all
the other young women standing around. What is the in
cell movement? What is insell retribution? Take a listen to
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Elliott Roger. They insall hero so to speak on YouTube.
I should be the one with the girls. I mean,
look at me, I'm gorgeous, but you girls don't see it.
I don't understand why you're so repulsed by me. Why
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won't you give me a chance? It's ridiculous. I mean
the other day I was doing some grocery shopping at
Traitor Joe's, and I was, of course all alone, as
I always am, which makes me feel so miserable. Anyway,
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I was doing my shopping and I see this, this
like disgusting looking loser. Well he's a loser in my opinion,
and he walks in with these two beautiful blonde girls
at his side. I couldn't believe my eyes. I was
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so insulted by that because I should be the one
with the girls. By is constant YouTube musings along with
be Early and others, we get a look into the
mindset of killers. Hey, Ash Ashley, I guarantee you the
in cell movement is going to turn into a defense,
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a legal defense like the Twinkie defense or the PMS defense,
the in cell defense. I see it. It's it's shaping
up right now. The problem is, first of all, listening
to him talk when woe is me, I'm alone and
that person's a loser. It's almost impossible for me to stomach.
Having said that, the problem is when you have a
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movement and it's online, you have so many other men
out there who feel the same and start to say, hey,
I'm a part to this movement because I feel the
same way and it's a movement, it's okay for me.
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I'm gonna engage in violence because that's what this movement
is about, and it's righteous and it's a good thing.
And then they start committing these crimes. So I agree
with you, Nancy, that's going to translate into hohe It's
a movement and there's this whole philosophy behind it. No, no, no,
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no no, these are crimes. Committing crimes is not okay,
regardless of what one misguided individual is posting as a
movement on YouTube. Nancy, can I make a super quick
comment about Elliott Rodgers. Look at me, I'm gorgeous. This
loser walks into the trader chose with these two beautiful women,
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and why does he have them? Why not me? We
were talking earlier that you say to John David and Lucy,
you know, if somebody loves you, they should love you
just for who you are. You don't have to keep
doing more and more. On the other hand, when John
David gets married, he can't just sit on a sofa
eating chips and popcorn while his wife goes and works.
That would be called entitlement, right You, Once you get
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into a relationship, you continue to have to invest and
do something for it. You're not entitled to love just
because you're fantastic. And what Elliott Rogers is talking about
is a sick, perverted entitlement to love and sex and
intimacy just because he's gorgeous. He doesn't feel he has
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to do anything to get it. It should just come
to him. We also see grandiosity in all of these,
these misogynistic ramblings, and this is what we see with
all personality disorders, entitlement and grandiosity. It just has become
packaged in a different homicidal horn. And those are the
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red flags to look for. The in cell and voluntary
celibate movement is afoot and is shaping up to me
the next new legal defense to murder. We wait as
justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crimes story signing off, goodbye friend,
What is an n cell I n c L It's
a man who claims he is an involuntary celibate lood.
That's so kN just for a moment, an involuntary celibate
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And how does that relate to not only a professional
massus's murder, a woman who has a little girl left
behind without a mom and a string of dead bodies.
(00:51):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace inell in cell involuntary celibate. Well,
you know what, I don't know what they're calling themselves
or why, but I know murder when I see it.
(01:12):
I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Take a listen
to Global News investigative journalist Stuart Bell. A man allegedly
went into an erotic massage parlor in Toronto called the
Crown Spot. He allegedly attacked a young woman with a
machete and killed her, and then attacked a second woman.
(01:33):
Global News has now learned that police are alligion that
this attack was related to insell ideology. There have been
growing calls for this in cells to be viewed and
to be treated by the authorities as a domestic terrorist threat.
Those of US studding in some movement of arguing that
this terrrisment for a long time. I in his ideological
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violence talked to out civilians, you know, intended to spread
a political message, all kind of spread cycle Conferna talking
to the community. So it takes every book in terms
of terrorism. They may call it terrorism, you may call
it whatever you wish, but I know this. A young
man stabs a woman to death inside her massage parlor
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with a sword. He is linked to the quote insell movement.
And he's not the only one. Take a listen now
to CBC Knees reporter Ellen Morrow, twenty four year old
Ashley Noel Arzaga was killed. A loving mother to a
young daughter and now a victim of terrorism, says the
(02:38):
RCMP crime was in fact one in which the accused
was inspired by the violent extremist movement commonly known as Insall.
And so today the charges against the seventeen year old
male suspect in the February stabbing at a Toronto massage
parlor were upgraded, the first time an alleged INSALL inspired
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killing has been formally labeled as terrorism by police. As
we need to name things properly in order to deal
with them well, and a kind of a path towards
ending this kind of violence. The path toward ending this
kind of violence I as soon would start with identifying
and targeting so called in cells with me an all
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star panel to break it down and put it back
together again with me. Ashley Wilcott, judge and trial lawyer,
Court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
renowned psychoanalyst, joining me from Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany
Marshall dot com. Cloyd Styger thirty six years Seattle PD,
twenty two of that homicide. Author of Seattle's Forgotten Killer.
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Gary Jane Grant on Amazon, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University
and author of Blood Beneath My Feet also on Amazon.
Deaf investigator Joseph Scott Morgan. But right now to leave
my page. Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. What can
you tell me about the machete murder at the Crown Spa?
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So Nancy, This seventeen year old was charged with murder
when he went to a massage spa in Toronto and
he killed hated death twenty four year old Ashley Noel Arzaka.
She had a little daughter as well that she left behind.
And the motive is is that he apparently was inspired
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by in cell killers in the past. And these are
people that go on online communities and they blame women
for not being able to have a sexual partner. They
also they call these women stacy's and they also blame
men that get a lot of dates and are very
popular with women. They call them chats. They're very angry,
(04:47):
they talk nonsense about them online. They blame all their
problems in life on these women and men that they
feel are more attractive than them. And they're very missogynistic.
They feel that they entitled to have sexual encounters with women.
And this teenager was apparently inspired after going on these
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fringe websites on the internet. Guys in this case, a
young mother to a little girl is now dead, hacked
dead at her massage parlor place of business by a
young man who is part of an in cell group. Now,
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another thing that we know is he allegedly was partially
inspired by a guy named Elliott Roger. But as Jackie
here has pointed out, in the same jurisdiction, another in
cell takes action. Take a listen to CBC News correspondent
Diana Swain accused is alleged to have posted a cryptic
(05:51):
message on Facebook minutes before he began driving the rented van.
Not post begins with what maybe a reference to his
failed army experience private recruit Menascian infantry, and then the
in cell rebellion has already begun. All hail the supreme Gentleman,
Elliott Roger. I don't know why you girls aren't attracted
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to me, but I will punish you all for it.
Roger killed six people in a rampage in California four
years ago, posting this ranting video just before. He was
angry about being rebuffed by women, making him a so
called in cell or involuntary celibate. Maxim Fisette works for
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a center that tracks websites with extreme and violent views,
including in cell sites. They have this huge resentment towards
society and women, mostly women, because they feel that women
are rejecting them. They feel that women are rejecting them,
and they hold up a guy named Elliott Rogers as
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their their leader. Take a listen now again to CBC
News correspondent Diana Swain, journalist across the country and around
the world, we're grappling with a new term in the
wake of the Toronto van attack, one most of us
had never heard. On Facebook, police say, he wrote, the
in cell rebellion has already begun. In cell? Is it
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to our meaning involuntary celibate? Many of those who call
themselves in cell identify with this man, some even praising
him for acting on his anger over being turned down
by women by going on a murderous rampage four years ago.
In a video he posted before the attack, Roger spoke
about women rejecting his advances. Self described in cells mostly
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congregate online and often fit a similar description. Mostly comprised
of young men's, most of them being white. The subculture
even has its own terms, chands and Stacey's, referred to
regular men and women who are having sex, the common
themes being anger, alienation, and misogyny. Straight out to Leavi
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page Crime online dot com LEVI, first, we had the
attack on the young mom. They massus at her massage parlor,
leaving her daughter without a mom. What can you tell
me about the Toronto van attack. So this happened in
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Canada and the suspect Alec Minissan. He deliberately targeted pedestrians
in the business district of Toronto, which is a very
busy intersection there, and he took this vandity had printed
and rammed it into this busy intersection. He killed ten
people and injured sixteen, some critically. And he was also
(08:44):
inspired by the in cell movement, claiming that he was
rejected by women sexually, and he was very angry about
it and wanted to take out all of his angst
on these people. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
(09:17):
are talking about the so called in cell movement, in
voluntary sulivans, men who don't let me just say euphemistically
have girlfriends or romantic partners, and somehow they twist that
end to a misogynistic and homicidal rage against all women. Clearly,
(09:41):
in the last two cases we told you about the
van attack and the machete attack on a young massus.
The killers didn't know their female victims, but those victims
represented something to the killer rejection. Many of the so
called insals hold up a guy called the Virgin Killer,
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Elliott Rogers, as I guess their founder and mascot the
Insall Revolution. Well, let me let you decide what you
make of Elliott Roger. Here he is talking on YouTube. Hi,
Elliot Roger here, Well, this is my last video. It
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all has to come to this. Tomorrow is the day
of retribution, the day in which I will have my
revenge against humanity, against all of you. For the last
eight years of my life, ever since I've hit puberty,
(10:51):
I've been forced to endure an existence of loneliness, rejection,
and unfulfilled desires. Oh, because girls have never been attracted
to me. Girls gave their affection and sex and love
to other men, but never to me. I'm twenty two
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years old and still a virgin. Two. Doctor Bethany Marshall. Wait, Bethany,
I want a little bit more fat back up on
Elliot's Roger before we analyze him. To leave my page,
tell me about Elliott Roger and the crimes he committed.
So Eliot Roger twenty two years old and in twenty
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fourteen he terrorized the Isla Vista community near Spanta, Barbara, California.
He killed six people, wounded a dozen, and they committed suicide.
In twenty fourteen, he stabbed three men in his apartment,
went to a frat house because remember he's very angry
at you know, young attractive guys. He couldn't get in,
so he shot three women who just happened to be
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outside that all. And then he started driving around similar
to the Toronto Ateque, and started hitting people with his cars.
He wounded several people, ultimately shot himself, and as you
heard in that audio, he was angry about being a
virgin and did several videos lamenting his unpopularity. Okay, jump
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in bathany well, Nancy. I think they may use their
hatred of women as a rationalization for being homicidal. But
to me, they're no different than any other group that
goes in and does a mass shooting in a school,
a university, a synagogue, a church, a mosque. That these men,
as I've often said, are what we call injustice collectors.
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Whatever the injustice is, they simmer, They are resentful, and
they collect these injustices throughout their childhood and their adolescence.
In this case, these insults say that they are angry
at women for not finding them a practive or having
them as sexual partners. I think this is just a
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rationalization for committing murder. I think these women are just
symbols to them. They're putting a face to every person
throughout the history of their life who they feel has
diminished or slighted them. Unfortunately, women like xenophobia have become
a class or a group of people who just represent
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all of their hatred. Much like when let's say Ahmed
Arbery was killed. It's the same psychology. And although in
that case African Americans became the symbol for all the
perpetrators rage. I could use another term for Elliott Rogers
and we would call it a power rapist. A power
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rapist is somebody who wants to have power over women
and often tries to have power over people in every
other part of his life. But in this case it
just got enacted towards women rather than say, coworkers or
other students at a school. Well, as a matter of fact,
this is Ashley. Can I just jump in, I just
such their best so calm? Who can be calm about those?
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I mean not that you shouldn't not be calm, doctor Bethany,
that's your expertise, But I'm just saying I cannot sit
quiet any longer because they're committing crimes. None of what
they're citing as a reason. And oh they're involuntary celibacy.
That is not a reason to commit crimes. That is
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not a reason to be violent. So I think it's
the first. I think they're coming up with some excuse
for why they want to go out there and to
hurt people, And I just can't stomach it. You know, Ashley,
I was going to go to you regarding all of
the festering and they gnashing of teeth and switching of
tails online. How online they kind of build some type
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of a spree decorp amongst themselves and whip themselves into
a frenzy. But doctor Bethany just says she compares this
to a power of rape. And as a matter of fact,
doctor Bethany after virgin killer Elliot Rogers goes on his
shooting rampage at the Alpha Pite sorority house, it turns
out he admitted to a friend who was among thirty
(15:16):
people that received his murderous manifesto, that he wanted to
hold women down and rape them. So it's all intertwined.
But let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Take a
listen to Elliott Roger, the so called virgin killer who
murdered multiple young women outside of sorority house, talking retribution
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on YouTube has been very tortuous. College is the time
when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun
and pleasure. In those years, I've had to rot in loneliness.
It's not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me.
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I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me,
but I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice,
a crime, because I don't know what you don't see
in me. I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw
yourselves and all these obnoxious men instead of me, the
(16:25):
supreme gentleman. Okay, just trying to soak that in to
you leave my page. This guy has been brought up
with a silver spoon in his mouth. Who is his dad? Yeah?
I think his dad was a doctor, wasn't He came
from a very well to do family. I thought his
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dad was like a movie direct Yeah. His dad's a
movie director, a really big movie Yeah. Yeah, that's a ticket.
Nancy's a movie director. Forget the whole doctor thing. I
think I gotta equipped another out of influential father. But yes,
another in celle, but the dad, Jackie Google from me.
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His dad directed a lot of blockbuster movies. This guy
is raised in your neck of the woods, Doctor Bethany,
right there, in La cruising up and down Rodeo drive
as they say. Take another listen to Elliott Roger talking
his word not Mine retribution on YouTube. The day of Retribution,
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I Am going to enter the hottest sorority house of
UCSP and I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck up,
blonde slut I see inside there, all those girls that
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I've desired so much. They would have all rejected me
and looked down upon me as inferior man if I
ever made a sexual advance towards them while they throw
themselves at these obnoxious brutes, I'll take great pleasure in
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slaughtering all of you. You will finally see. But I
am in true the superior one, the true alpha male. Yes,
after I've annihilated every single girl in the sorority house,
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I'll take to the streets of Isla Vista and slay
every single person I see there climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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we are talking about a movement called in cell Involuntary Celibates.
Their founder, their mascot is Elliot Rogers. His dad produced directed,
Excuse Me, assistant director to the Hunger Games series of movies,
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and so many more. This guy Elliot Rogers was born
with a silver spoon in his mouth, yet his hatred
of women. It's all who will be remembered for in
addition to being a killer. Listen to Elliot Rogers in
his own words. Hey, Elliot Roger here, I'm up in
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the hills in mont Cito right now. It's truly a
beautiful day. But as I've always said, a beautiful environment
is the darkest hell if you have to experience it
all alone. And sadly, I've been alone for a very
(20:09):
long time. I've been attending college in Santa Barbara for
about two and a half years now. In those two
and a half years, I've experienced nothing but loneliness and misery.
And my problem is girls. There are so many beautiful
(20:30):
girls here, but none of them give me a chance.
And I don't know why. I don't know why you
girls are so repulsed by me. Well, apparently women pick
up on his bad vibes. I won't touch him with
a ten foot poll. On the other hand, men across
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the country are feeding off hatred online on misogynistic websites,
including a man who gets a gun and heads to
a Tallahassee hot yoga studio. Listen to this. No one
wasn't address the emergency. And then Hot Yoga Talahassee Betton's place. Okay,
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what's a common stool road? Somebody came into yoga studio.
What's a gun and shotman? We had a couple of
people walk into him. There might be an active shooter
down gone at the end of the year. Okay, and
then down near the hot yoga by chance, because we
do have a call reference to someone who possibly shout
in yeah the hot yoga Yeah, okay, all right, have
you guys seen anything down that way at all? A
(21:35):
hurt anything? We've got We've got one person that was
leading that came in. I was not in the studio
when there was a shooting. Nyama's Kindagoria food and the
person who saw the shooting came to answer Jugloria's food
for help. Okay, around we have we have been shot. Okay,
shot in Suo Gloria Food. Okay, you're hearing part of
(21:56):
a NYE wall and call. There at a hot yoga studio.
They're at Tallahassee where a huge university nearby the studio
catering to the young women there. Take a listen to
more of that nine one one, call, three? Got everybody?
Really hit he's still there? Wait, what's your store colding? Hey? Okay, Carla,
are you looking like three box MANU? Okay? We hey, okay,
(22:19):
calm down, baby. We got him on the way. Okay,
they got him on the way. Are you going to say, play?
What's the store? Cold? Has yo got kills? Wait? What's
your store? Colding? You'll think, okay, we got them? What's
your name? The hitters still there? I think he shot
on their people, but I okay, if you have to
see her out of the shooter. Yeah, he was like
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and he was like call. He was wearing white ray shorts.
He was kind of happy, you gotta belly. He was
wearing a hard camp. He came in tide the room
when he wore shooting out everybody really okay, people down
in the floor that he shot? Okay, people down here,
like three okay? Three? Three or four? People? Okay. You're
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hearing the terror in the voice of those women. A
forty year old gunman opens fire on a Tallahassee yoga class,
killing a twenty one year old and a female doctor
who happened to be there before shooting five others listen
to this this morning. Troubling new details are emerging about
the man responsible for the deadly shooting at a Tallahassee
(23:23):
yoga studio. Police identifying the gunman as forty year old
Scott Paul Barley. Authorities say he killed two people on
Friday and shot five others before taking his own life.
It appears Barley posted dozens of misogynistic and racist videos
on YouTube. The videos, which were not widely viewed, have
been removed by YouTube because of their offensive content. According
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to arrest records, Barley had a history of harassing women
in Florida. According to one Tallahassee police incident report, in
twenty twelve, he was arrested for battery for grabbing girls
butts near FSU campus. A twenty sixteen arrest report for
battery states that Barley approached a woman at a Tallahassee
area pool and slapped her butt, grabbed it, and shook it.
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Both charges were eventually dropped to climb onlines LEVI page
Who is Scott Barley? What happened in the hot yoga studios? So?
Scott Barley is different from the other young men that
we've mentioned. He's older, he's forty years old, and he
said that he in a YouTube video he made. He
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said it was titled the Flight of the Adolescent. Now
he compared himself, his younger self to Aaron Rodgers. And
he made also a video called Rebirth of My Misogyny.
So he's very angry at women. And he went to
a hot yoga studio in Tallahassee and killed sixty one
year old, shot sixty one year old Nancy van Visam
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and twenty one year old Laura Binkley straight out to death.
Investigator and professor forensic jacksonvill State University Joseph Scott, Morgan
Joe Scott, how do you go into a scene like
that right there at FSU's doorsteps, a yoga studio that
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caters to the young women at FSU, and make sense
of a crime scene where I believe seven or eight
people were shocked. It's an absolute hellish nightmare as an
investigator because you have to disconnect your kind of human
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side from you know what you have to do as
an investigator, get your mind right before you go in there.
And I gotta tell you, Nancy, the fact that it's Tallahassee,
the fact that it's right off campus from FSU. You
know where I'm going with this. You know, I think
about Ted Bundy and how he walked into the sorority
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house there, crept into it and beat those girls to
death in there, and you know that kind of hearkens
back to that moment, Tom, and I think he shares
a lot of similarities. It's a very kind of disorganized
event that takes place. It's brutal, it's bloody. You've got
evidence everywhere, and you have to process this scene very
very carefully because you don't really know at that moment
(26:19):
in time when all of this is going down. You know,
people at home might not understand this when all this
is a dynamic environment. So when you show up as
an investigator at the scene, you have to work each
in every case as if it will be a prosecutable case.
In this case, this individual took his own life. But
you know, you have to be able to handle the
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case and process it so that you're going to cover
every jot and tittle along the way, so that you
don't want to miss anything, because the devil is in
the details. You've got brass spent brass, it's laying everywhere.
You've got ammunition that has our browns that have passed
through bodies. You've got broken glass, you've got blood, people
trying to literally scurry for their life, and there's blood everywhere.
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You know, you'll have cross trails of blood where people
will trek through other people's blood many times, and it
will tell a story about the horror that these people
experienced at the hands of an individual like this, very
similar to what happened with Ted Bundy to our friend
Cloyd's Tiger thirty six years Seattle, pg. Twenty two of
that on homicide. This guy barely had been banned from campus.
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There's a reason for that. He had been grabbing women's behind,
touching them, fondling them until the point he was banned,
but nothing was done. Yeah, you know, that's the problem,
is there's not There's only so much you can do
because all that stuff as misdemeanors. You can trespass the
guy from there. And I've been to like Joe Scott
was munching. I've been I don't know how many mass
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shooting scenes at workplaces, in private homes, at college campuses,
and is it's a mess, and you have sometimes dozens
or hundreds of witnesses to interview, and yeah, just the
problem is there's not much you can do for people
just doing things at a misdemeanor level and you know
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they're bad news, or even if they're crazy, you know
their mental health laws are not efficient to prevent violence
from these people who show all these warning signs. Time
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stories with Nancy Grace, all the warning signs were there.
More in cell attacks have occurred, an attack and a
spa where a young massus, a mother of a little girl,
was killed with a machete by an in cell van
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killing in the same jurisdiction by an in cell up
another young woman. Their leader. Their posthumous mascot, Elliott Rogers,
is so called Virgin Killer. But now we're talking about
Scott Berley, a forty year old in cell already banned
(29:20):
from FSU campus. I want you to take a listen
to Scott Berley himself speaking on YouTube. Girls. If you
want to know or curious why in part guys are
so anxious and aggressive and in a hurry, just watch
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any number of of television shows that have like thirteen
fourteen year olds. Let me forget about high school students
as as their characters going on dates and doing any
(30:08):
any variety of things. He's what blaming thirteen and fourteen
year old girls, I guess girls on TV that have
dates for his misogyny. Did you hear that to doctor
Bethany Marshall? Why is he blaming TV characters? Well, all
of these in cell perpetrators have in common this extraordinary
(30:30):
sense of victimization, that bad things are happening to them
at the hands of women, and as if they have
no agency in their life. You know, go get an education,
go work out, go socialize yourself, go do something so
that you can become appealing to the women around you.
But they are not acting on their own behalf. They're
just blaming other people. Bethany, I have a problem with
(30:53):
what you just said because I don't I want to
look again. I'm just a trial lawyer. But I don't
think anybody should go to school, go work out, try
to go to law school, try to write a book,
try to impress somebody else, or to try to get
them to like you or date you. You do you're
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thinking about good mental health. You're thinking that I don't
even know what I'm talking What you're talking about is
in a healthy population, you can trust that you're loved
by another person. You don't have to keep doing more
and more to earn their trust or love. But I'm
talking about stars. You just said something I try to
tell John, David and Lucy that don't if you have
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a friend, and I guess when you get older, you
could say girlfriend, boyfriend that you feel you've got to
act a certain way, or you have to be cool,
or you have to look a certain way, or you
have to have the cool devices or that. No, you
need to be friends with somebody that likes you just
the way you are. You know what, Beth, My husband David,
(32:02):
when he sees me all done up for TV, He's like,
you know what, you look beautiful, but I just like
it with no makeup or at all, the real you
Now see, that's love right there. I don't have to
be a certain way for him to love me. I
want you to listen, Beth, and it's particularly you to
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Scott be Eily talking again. Why do they take to YouTube?
They do listen. I feel compulsion now to discuss and
address the origins of my misogynism and in the rebirth,
and when it was reborn, nobody, nobody emerges out of
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the one particular way or viewing or seeing one particular
group of people one particular way. It occurs over a
source of accumulated experiences, or maybe it's one perpetual individual.
I know a girl and I was teaching. I hated
her mom and she was kind of a didn't she Well,
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that's a whole other story. He's starting to ramble, but
he's trying to explain why he's having a rebirth of
a misogyny. But here's the reality. Let's go to cut four.
Take a listen to Blanca decoc and parents describing what
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happened at the hands of an in cell. See his face.
He smiles at me and just starts shooting, like like
a smirky, grimacey smile. But it was a smile. He
was just he wanted to do this. He looked happy
about it. I honestly, first of all, it didn't seem real.
(34:03):
I thought, is this rubber bullets? And then I realized
I'm bleeding, I'm in pain. I had to call my mom.
I just told her I've been shot. I don't know
what happened. It's crazy, but I love you. I'm afraid
I'm gonna die so much, so much I love you
so much. I'm angry that it happened and that it
does still happen. We need to change this violence. How
(34:26):
did he slip through the cracks? Shouldn't happen. She's describing
an in cell looking at her and smiling at her,
somebody she doesn't even know, before shooting her and all
the other young women standing around. What is the in
cell movement? What is insell retribution? Take a listen to
(34:50):
Elliott Roger. They insall hero so to speak on YouTube.
I should be the one with the girls. I mean,
look at me, I'm gorgeous, but you girls don't see it.
I don't understand why you're so repulsed by me. Why
(35:14):
won't you give me a chance? It's ridiculous. I mean
the other day I was doing some grocery shopping at
Traitor Joe's, and I was, of course all alone, as
I always am, which makes me feel so miserable. Anyway,
(35:37):
I was doing my shopping and I see this, this
like disgusting looking loser. Well he's a loser in my opinion,
and he walks in with these two beautiful blonde girls
at his side. I couldn't believe my eyes. I was
(35:57):
so insulted by that because I should be the one
with the girls. By is constant YouTube musings along with
be Early and others, we get a look into the
mindset of killers. Hey, Ash Ashley, I guarantee you the
in cell movement is going to turn into a defense,
(36:22):
a legal defense like the Twinkie defense or the PMS defense,
the in cell defense. I see it. It's it's shaping
up right now. The problem is, first of all, listening
to him talk when woe is me, I'm alone and
that person's a loser. It's almost impossible for me to stomach.
Having said that, the problem is when you have a
(36:46):
movement and it's online, you have so many other men
out there who feel the same and start to say, hey,
I'm a part to this movement because I feel the
same way and it's a movement, it's okay for me.
(37:06):
I'm gonna engage in violence because that's what this movement
is about, and it's righteous and it's a good thing.
And then they start committing these crimes. So I agree
with you, Nancy, that's going to translate into hohe It's
a movement and there's this whole philosophy behind it. No, no, no,
(37:27):
no no, these are crimes. Committing crimes is not okay,
regardless of what one misguided individual is posting as a
movement on YouTube. Nancy, can I make a super quick
comment about Elliott Rodgers. Look at me, I'm gorgeous. This
loser walks into the trader chose with these two beautiful women,
(37:48):
and why does he have them? Why not me? We
were talking earlier that you say to John David and Lucy,
you know, if somebody loves you, they should love you
just for who you are. You don't have to keep
doing more and more. On the other hand, when John
David gets married, he can't just sit on a sofa
eating chips and popcorn while his wife goes and works.
That would be called entitlement, right You, Once you get
(38:11):
into a relationship, you continue to have to invest and
do something for it. You're not entitled to love just
because you're fantastic. And what Elliott Rogers is talking about
is a sick, perverted entitlement to love and sex and
intimacy just because he's gorgeous. He doesn't feel he has
(38:31):
to do anything to get it. It should just come
to him. We also see grandiosity in all of these,
these misogynistic ramblings, and this is what we see with
all personality disorders, entitlement and grandiosity. It just has become
packaged in a different homicidal horn. And those are the
(38:52):
red flags to look for. The in cell and voluntary
celibate movement is afoot and is shaping up to me
the next new legal defense to murder. We wait as
justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crimes story signing off, goodbye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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