March 13, 2025 • 42 mins
Mother’s Day, 2002: Jennifer Harris spends the afternoon at her friend Kristy Farr’s house. Around 8:00 p.m., Jennifer says she has to go, seemingly heading to other plans. She leaves in her green soft-top Jeep, but she never makes it home that night. Her family reports her missing early the next morning.
That afternoon, Jennifer’s car is found abandoned on the side of the road near a local music spot. There are no signs of a struggle, and none of her belongings are inside. Six days into the search, a fisherman on the Red River calls 911 after spotting a woman’s naked body floating face down in the water. It is Jennifer. Her body is so badly decomposed that a medical examiner cannot determine the cause of death, classifying it only as a "violent homicide."
Investigators learn that Jennifer told her ex-husband she was pregnant and that he was the father, despite Rob Holman having a new girlfriend. In a shocking twist, the only evidence of Jennifer’s pregnancy is missing from her remains. Forensic experts cannot determine why her uterus is gone but believe fish and turtles likely destroyed it.
Jennifer Harris' murder remains unsolved
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Alyssa Wernick - Jennifer’s younger sister
- Barry Wernick - Alyssa’s husband; Attorney, Mediator, and Arbitrator; Filmmaker with docuseries on Jennifer in the works, RedRabbitJustice.com; GiveSendGo.com/JusticeForJennifer; Justice for Jennifer Harris (FB)
- Dr. Judy Ho - Clinical and Forensic Neuropsychologist, Author: "The New Rules of Attachment"; and "Stop Self-Sabotage," @drjudyho (IG, X), @doctorjudyho (FB)
- Daryl Parker - Former Lieutenant in the Fannin County Sheriff's Office, Private Investigator for Harris Family, Board Certified Criminal Defense Investigator, President at Blackfish Intelligence, Former Marine, Former Texas police officer, Innocence Project of Texas, @blackfishintel (IG), @blackfishintelligence (FB)
- Dr. Thomas Coyne - Chief Medical Examiner, District 2 Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida, Forensic Pathologist, Neuropathologist, Toxicologist, @DrTMCoyne (X)
- Claire St. Amant - Author: "Killer Story: The Truth Behind True Crime Television," @clairestamant (X), @clairesta (Insta), @journalistclairestamant (FB)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
A small town mom to be goes missing after visiting
a friend. Her jeep discovered abandon the next day. What
Happened to Jennifer?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Joining us Tonight, an all star panel including Jennifer's family
joining us in the search for what happened to Jennifer.
It all started on a Mother's Day Listen Mother's Day.
Jennifer spends the afternoon at friend Christy Farr's house. Around
eight pm, Jennifer says she has to go. Seemingly headed
(00:37):
to other plans, she takes off in her green soft
Time jeep, but Jennifer never makes it home that night.
Family reports you're missing early the next morning. Very often
we hear comments like you can't report someone missing until
twenty four hours have passed.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
When a woman disappears.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
It's often said, oh, she's taking some me time, she's
out with her new boyfriend. Every time I have ever
heard that, it's been false. The person the woman is
either missing or dead. And we all know the single
highest cause of death amongst pregnant women is homicide. I'm
(01:20):
sure there are all sorts of psychological or psychiatric reasons
for that shocking statistic, but What.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I do know and what is relevant to me, is
that is true.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
The number one cause of death amongst pregnant women in
America is homicide. Not high blood pressure, not a heart attack,
not some complication of the pregnancy.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's homicide.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
This beautiful young woman, just twenty eight pregnant. How did
she end up floating dead in the Red River in Texas?
That's what we're trying to determine. So we know Mother's Day.
She spends the afternoon at a friend, Christie's. Around eight pm,
(02:11):
she leaves, but she never makes it home.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
What else do we know?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Listen that afternoon, Jennifer's car is found abandoned on the
side of the road, not far from a local music spot.
It doesn't appear like there was any struggle, and none
of Jennifer's belongings are in the car. Foot searches of
the area turn up nothing. Volunteers and police officers spend
days combing the streets of Bonham looking for any sign
of Jennifer.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Harris joining us All Star panel including Claire Saint Armont
joining us, author of Killer Story, The Truth behind True
Crime TV. Claire, thank you for joining us. Explain to
me where her jeep was found. Thanks for having me, Nancy. So,
Jennifer's jeep was found on a county road Lake Bonham,
(03:01):
and it was a remote area. It was not highly populated,
and it was found there with the door closed, locked,
and her purse was missing. Huh, So tell me about
this remote area. Why do you say it was remote
and very undertraveled.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
So Bonham is a small town to begin with, There
are not a lot of people who lived there, and
this was a back road. It wasn't well lit, It
didn't have many businesses on it. There was one business
that was called the Hoedown, but it was closed. It
was like a local music venue and it was not
having any activity that night. So the only reason to
(03:44):
be on this road would have been if you lived
over there, or perhaps to go to the lake. But
by the time you.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Know her vehicle traveled this road.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
And we do have some various ways of knowing what
time that her her vehicle was going down this road,
it was already after dark, so there wouldn't have been
a whole lot to.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
See Claire Saint Ramont joining us. Claire, what time, according
to the evidence, was she driving in along this remote area?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
So it was shortly after eight pm that she was
found to be driving in this area. And we know
that because she had left her friend's house after getting
a recipe for chicken spaghetti. She had left her friend's
house and said, it's almost eight o'clock. I've got to go.
And she didn't say who she had to go meet
with or why she had to leave, but she specifically said,
(04:37):
it's almost eight I've got to go. And it doesn't
take long to get from Christy Farr's house to where
her vehicle was found, and it's believed that she took
a direct route, so it would have.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Just been minutes.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
And there's even a neighbor who saw her car as
she was taking her evening walk and she remembered that
it had just started to rain, and so based on
using weather data, we can really pinpoint the time that
her jeep arrived at this area.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
To just a few minutes after eight pm.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I'm not really sure that just because Jennifer, who spent
the whole day with her friend Christy Farr, looks at
our watcher says, oh my goodness, it's eight o'clock. I
gotta go, I don't know that we can extrapolate to
she was meeting someone in some nefarious way. Why is
her jeep in this remote area We don't know that
(05:31):
yet an empty music venue, But let's move forward. Jennifer's
family is with us tonight. Straight out to Alissa Warnick
and Barry Warnick. This is Alissa's husband. To both the Warnicks,
thank you for being with us. Alissa, I'm sure you
(05:52):
recall when you learned your sister was missing.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Tell me what happened.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Well.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
I was living in Austin and I a phone call
the day after Mother's Day that her deep had been
found in the area of Lake Bonham, which is north
of the bottom on a county road. And it just
seemed peculiar to me that she would leave her vehicle
for any reason, much less without her dog, who she
(06:21):
carried wherever she went. So I just started calling and
asking questions and wondering what she.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Could be up to if she decided to take a.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Trip somewhere or join someone somewhere. But the fact that
she didn't come home at night was a major red flag.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
How closely were you guys in touch.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
We were three years apart, so we had.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
Different sort of life paths going on at that time.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
But We did touch base with each other, especially around
Mother's Day because we lost our mother and that was
an emotional time. But unfortunately I didn't get a hold
of her on Mother's Day. She had been in Sherman
with my grandmother and her friend.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
But we did talk.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
From time to time.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
I wouldn't say every day, but recently up until her death,
we were in touch quite a.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Bit, very often.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
When we saw cases and we hit a dead end,
we circle back and we take a look at the victim.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (07:30):
Jennifer Harris grows up in rural Bottom, Texas. Parents Jerry
and Alicia Harris couldn't be more proud. Jennifer is a
wonderful sister, a cheerleader, part of student council, and is
rarely found without her bow Rob Holman. The couple starts
dating in the sixth grade and has been inseparable ever since. Jennifer,
known as the dreamer of the family, heads off to
college three hours away in Nacadochius. Three years later, Rob
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follows Jennifer to Dallas and asks her to marry him,
a proposal she happily accepts.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And then a life changing event, the loss of her mother.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Less than a year after her wedding, Jennifer loses her
mother to a long battle with cancer. Jennifer experiences a
great deal of personal growth as she grieves with her family.
Jennifer and Rob settle in suburban Dallas so Jennifer can
return to school, now training as a massage therapist, while
Rob takes a landscaping job.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Melissa, this is Jennifer's sister. How did the loss of
your mother affect her?
Speaker 7 (08:30):
Well?
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Unfortunately, we lived with her illness of cancer for quite
a long time. We both took turns visiting her every
other weekend because I was living in Austin and she
was living bac Indoches at scy and so we wanted
to make sure that one of us was with her
each weekend.
Speaker 9 (08:54):
But it was.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Unfortunate that it happened to be the week that my
past that she was visiting a friend in California. So
she never forgave herself for not being there when it happened.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I got a question, Alissa, do you in any way
think Jennifer, who we believe was pregnant at the time,
would have committed suicide?
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Absolutely not a chance. She actually, in fact was putting
her pieces of her own puzzle together and trying to
pick up and start a new life.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
She had her sights.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
On moving to Colorado or New Mexico and starting fresh.
Speaker 7 (09:34):
She even considered moving to Austin to be near me, and.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
She had a lot of hope Mary or joining us.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
This is Alissa's husband, also an attorney and mediator.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
But thanks for being with us.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Mary, What were your impressions of your sister in law Jennifer?
Do you agree no way would she have committed suicide.
Speaker 10 (09:54):
From everything that I know and I've learned about Alyssa
and her family, that would have been the furthest thing
from Jennifer's mind, especially at that time. I'm also a
filmmaker and we're working on investigating Jennifer's murder and documenting
it and putting together a docuseries, and in so doing
(10:16):
we're interviewing so many different people, but just talking to Alissa,
talking to Jennifer's friends. At the time, she had hope.
She was getting her life together. She was planning on
a movie either to Austin. She was applying for jobs.
She actually scheduled a trip with her father a couple
(10:37):
weeks later to go down to the Gudaloupe Mountains to
go hiking, so she had plans moving forward. The other
thing is her jeep was found twelve miles from the
Red River. Now how someone gets out of their car,
(10:57):
takes the purse, leaves everything in order. Of course, there's
a CD missing that she was planning on giving to
her ex husband and somehow just gets herself naked, walks
twelve miles or takes a ride twelve miles to.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I don't know, yeah, very I mean, I'm certainly not
a shrink, but I do know this and all the
cases I have ever investigated, prosecuted, or covered, I've never
seen a person part their jeep, go for a twelve
mile hike and then go, oh, I think I'll kill myself.
That just doesn't make sense. Also, the fact that she
(11:41):
was pregnant. It's very unlikely statistically that she would have
committed suicide while pregnant. Why again, I can't tell you that,
but I do know what statistics tell me now.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Also, Alyssa warn't joining us.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
This is Jennifer's sister, the closest person in the world
to Jennifer.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So she had started dating.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I guess that means holding hands with her soon to
be husband all the way back in the sixth grade
and they became inseparable. She moves to the big city
from Bottom to Dallas, and then he wants to be
with her, so he follows her and they do get married.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Is that correct, Alyssa?
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Well, she moved to Dacadochis to go to Stephen FoST University.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
And Rob followed her there.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
They were inseparable at the time. They loved Nacadochius. That
was the happiest time of their lives in my opinion,
and it just wasn't until they both graduated and needed
to start their careers that more opportunity was in the
Dallas area.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
So that's when they moved to Dallas.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
And they lived in Carrollton, I believe, at the very
beginning of their career journeys.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Police launch an exhaustive search. Six days later, a fisherman
finds a naked body floating in Red River. Cooked up
theories and public opinions lead law enforcement on a wild
goose chase for suspects. What really happened?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Let me understand?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
The two of them, Mary and they settle down in
suburban Dallas. She goes back to school to study massage
therapy and he goes into landscaping.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Is that where we're at at that point? Yes?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Correct, And as Mary and I have discussed off air,
I mean he is a lawyer now filmmaker and the
title of that dot is planned to be Justice for Jennifer.
You know how one little fact Barry can totally skew
an investigation, much less a presentation to the jury.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Do you have one fact wrong? You could be screwed.
Speaker 10 (14:03):
Yeah, that's correct. It takes it puts everything else into jeopardy.
Now what's really credible? You know, and everything loses credibility.
So you want to make sure that every fact, every
detail that you have is correct and no presuppositions or
anything else like that. We are talking about whether whether
(14:24):
Jennifer could have committed suicide.
Speaker 11 (14:26):
The couple seems happy in their first home together, but
they begin to learn that they want different things in life.
Jennifer loves frequent outings and their proximity to the city,
but Rob hates the hustle and bustle, preferring the slower
pace of Bontom and wants to settle down and start
a family. Resentment builds between the childhood sweethearts. Friends and
families start to take notice of the cracks and their relationship.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
The two break up. They want a different lifestyle. She
likes a big city. He wanted to go back home
and acquire a pace of life, so they split. Let's
get back to the present day. Jennifer is found face
down pregnant in a river. Let's go back to the
times she disappeared.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (15:09):
When Jennifer Harris disappears without a trace, police immediately turned
to the men in her life, ex boyfriend James Hamilton
and ex husband Rob Holman. Hamilton tells officers he moved
on and hope Jennifer was happy. Hamilton says he was
eating with friends at a McDonald's fifty miles away at
eight pm on Mother's Day.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
That got to Claire Saint Amant joining us, author of
Kill Our Story, The Truth Behind True Crime TV.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Claire. When the two separated, okay.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
When the husband went back home and she stayed in
the big city, they both started seeing other people.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Right correct, they were no longer together. They continued to communicate,
They continued to keep up a relationship, but they were
dating other people.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Dot A Judy Hoe joining us now Clinical forensic neuropsychologist
and author of the New Rules of Attachment. Doctor Judy,
thank you for being with us. You know, these two
had been sweethearts since sixth grade. They split up, they
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want different lifestyles and find new loves. But you know,
it's not always as simple as it seems, is it,
doctor Hope.
Speaker 12 (16:27):
It really isn't, Nancy, Because they've known each other pretty
much all their lives.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
There's still going to be that connection.
Speaker 12 (16:33):
As we grow, of course, our preferences change, we start
to know ourselves better, they decide they.
Speaker 13 (16:38):
Want different things, But that type of emotional connection, it's
not just going to end overnight. These individuals have seen
each other grow up, have seen each other's dreams and hopes,
have been seen each other through big things, and it's
not just.
Speaker 12 (16:51):
Going to be as easy as we're broken up and
we're never going to speak again.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
I'm never going to think about you again.
Speaker 14 (16:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Earlier, doctor Judy Hope, we were discussing the unlikelihood that
Jennifer committed suicide. There is no cod yet cause of death,
and I find that very very interesting. Doctor Thomas Coin
joining me Chief Medical Examiner or District to ma's office
in Florida, doctor Coin, I'm very surprised she's found floating
(17:21):
dead in a river that they could not attribute her
cod cause of death to drowning more than likely.
Speaker 15 (17:27):
Because of the processes of decomposition. Bodies in water are
probably some of the most hardest cases that we encounter.
Second you die, your body starts to basically digest itself
as well as the bacteria that lines all of our
cavities begin the process of future fraction. Future faction will
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break down all of our body tissues, you know, causes
massive color change, literal loss of tissue. Now you add
that into a water environment where you have a number
of other scavenging marine life, which include crabs, turtles, fish,
you have other ab and species that may be involved
that actually come in and actually remove tissue. So when
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the body is received of the medical exoner's office, and
may be very difficult to determine cause of death because
you're just simply missing a lot. You know, we based
our decisions upon what we see with our eyes as
well as what we see under our microscope, and if
the tissue isn't there, it's hard to take a diagnosis.
It's hard to actually track hemorrhage in tissue if the
tissue is absent, especially like, for instance, if we find
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a body outside and it has completely skeletonized, and very
often it does that in the heat of Florida or
in the heat of Texas. If a person was shot
and that bullet only traveled through soft tissue and all
we have left the skeleton, we may not be able
to tell whether or not a person has been shot.
So again, decomposition, the actual scavenging of animal life, that
can make it very difficult for us to determine how
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a person.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Died, too, Doctor Judy Hoe, likely is statistically that a
pregnant mom commits suicide.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Extremely unlikely, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
As you mentioned earlier, that.
Speaker 12 (19:08):
Is a huge wrench in this supposed story, that she
would somehow take her own life.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
Usually that is a meaning to live life to the
best of your ability for most people, and even.
Speaker 12 (19:20):
Sometimes when the pregnancy is a surprise, when the pregnancy
is not necessarily planned, it's still usually and we're saying usually,
because of course there's always the exception, but usually it
helps the person to say, no, I'm not living for
myself anymore, and no matter what happens, I got to
do better, and I have to look forward to something
(19:41):
for the future. And when you have hope and meaningfulness
like that, you do not take your own life.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You know, docter Gio, I need you to be able
to explain it.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I just know the statistics based on cases I investigate,
try as a homicide and cover that I never see
pregnant women can a suicide. And very curious to Claire
Saint Amant joining us in addition to Jennifer's family, her
sister and her husband, who is so moved by this case.
He's actually creating a documentary. Claire, again, thank you for
(20:12):
being with us. Claire, the time period from the time
she went missing I was reported missing to the time
her body was found in the Red River, how much
time passed?
Speaker 5 (20:23):
It was one week, So she's found in the Red
River a week after she goes missing, and so it's
a long period of time. It's difficult, you know, for
her family. They're searching for her, They're looking in wooded areas,
they're looking, you know, in bodies of water, trying to
figure out where she could have gone.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Baby Lisa Irwin vanishes from her crib in the middle
of the night. Then a key.
Speaker 16 (20:52):
Witness sees a suspicious man that night carrying a baby.
This potential suspect has never been interview before, but Magan
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(21:14):
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Speaker 2 (21:28):
No suspects, lost evidence, and dead witnesses stalls the search
for a killer who had the most to gain by
Jennifer's disappearance.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Another thing that I noticed, doctor Thomas Coin, is that
while we don't have a cod cause of death such
as legature, strangulation, poisoning, a gunshot one a knife.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
When we don't have the cause of.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Death, but we've been thrown a little clue, we do
know her death was ruled quote violent homicide. Now I
find that curious because if they won't tell me the
cod then how do they know it is violent homicide.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I've got one other clue.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
The only injury that we could get from the medical
examiner's report was a wound on her abdomen in damage.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
To internal organs.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Now that is in total contradiction of a theory she
could have committed suicide, right what did she beat herself
and cause internal damage?
Speaker 15 (22:28):
No sure, and I assume those injuries could be determined
to be not from animal scavenging or decomposition. But it's
not common for medical examiners to rule on a matter
of death and not a cause of death based upon
the circumstances, you know, given the fact that she was
found so far from her vehicle, the police investigation did
not and the family interviews did not show any evidence
(22:51):
that suggests perhaps that this was a suicide. I'm assuming
also the autopsy at least disclosed that she had no
underlying natural disease processes, although decomposition was present, but you
could still sometimes determine if whether or not there was
any other serious disease processes, you know, that were present.
So my assumption is that based upon all of the circumstances,
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they were able to at least render a manner of
death in this case, which is homicide.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
You know, I was talking to daughter Gdo earlier about
how things are not always as they same. I remember
my first high school boyfriend with great affection this guy
she had known since sixth grade.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Okay, listen.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
On a visit to Jennifer's Dallas home, Jennifer's father, Jerry Harris,
notices five large holes in the living room wall. When
asked what happened, Jennifer says she got in an argument
with Rob, who got so angry he began punching the wall.
Late one night, Alyssa Harris gets a call from her
older sister. Jennifer tells her Rob came home drunk and
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angry and forced himself on her when she tried to
calm him down. Jennifer never reports the attack to police,
but Alyssa notices a huge change in her sister's demeanor
with her husband that was.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Never reported to police, and the husband, the ex husband,
has never been accused or charged in that event. Alyssa,
what do you recall of that conversation with Jennifer.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
I just remember she called me and she was very upset.
She was crying and she didn't understand.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
How could this happen?
Speaker 6 (24:27):
It's her husband, and she felt like she couldn't record
anything because how do you go to the authorities and say,
you know, my husband forced me to have sex with
him or forced me onto the bed or whatever. She
felt like things had gotten out of control with the drinking,
(24:49):
and it really forced her to look at some bigger
issues and that's when she began therapy.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Daryl Parker is joining US certified Criminal Defense Investigator, President
of Blackfish Intelligence. Daryl, why is it that so many
women don't report rape? In this case, if it's true
and the husband, the ex husband, of course, denies it,
(25:18):
we have no claim, no police report. So many women
feel they cannot report a rape because fill in the blank.
I was married to him, I was out on a
date with him, I had been drinking, my skirt.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Was too short. Have you noticed that so often.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Alleged rapes do not get reported for a multitude of reasons, Daryl, Yeah.
Speaker 17 (25:42):
I mean a lot of times these women are invested
in these relationships. You know, they either for financial reasons, security,
the length of the relationship.
Speaker 18 (25:52):
Fear of further violence, those kind of things. All those
are reasons why someone might not report a rate.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Well, we definitely need to shrink from this.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Why is it wring You break up so often, you
bounce back a rebound relationship, And that's what Jennifer did.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Listen with her marriage.
Speaker 8 (26:09):
On the rocks, Jennifer meets someone new at massage therapy school,
James Hamilton, who lives with the mother of his child
and has a second one on the way. Is Rob's
polar opposite.
Speaker 19 (26:18):
James has big dreams and likes Jennifer as much as
she likes him. Friends Warren Jennifer about getting involved with
James with her husband at home.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Due Doctor Judy Hoe, what do you make of the
rebound relationship.
Speaker 12 (26:31):
Well, Nancy, it's a pattern that obviously we see sometimes
maybe we've even done ourselves after we break up with.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Someone, and the reason is this.
Speaker 18 (26:41):
There's that emotional attachment, and sometimes the breakup.
Speaker 20 (26:44):
Is very sudden, or there's a feeling that am I
making the right choice? So then there's all of these
feelings and you've got nowhere to go, and in that time,
your decision making is going to be a big cloud,
and you may not decide on the best partner, just
on somebody who's around who's going to fill that void,
at least temporarily.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
And this is why a lot of times when people have.
Speaker 12 (27:05):
Her rebound relationship, friends and family members are commenting because hey,
maybe this is.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
Not the person you should be with.
Speaker 12 (27:12):
But the reason is you're just looking for anyone, anyone
that you can cling onto during that emotionally vulnerable moment,
and you're not making your best decisions.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Melissa, what did you think of your younger sister Jennifer's
rebound relationship?
Speaker 6 (27:25):
I thought it was a little quick and based on
emotional not so much brain, but more heart, and I
thought she could think things throw better and take things
a little slower. I do feel like it was solely
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based on shared dreams and aspirations and not so much.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, not only that, Alissa, the guy has a pregnant
wife at home and a baby. It's not a good choice. Well,
she came to that realization.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Not long after finishing school, Jennifer hands Rob divorce papers
and he returns to Bonham a single man. James quickly
moves in with Jennifer, and the couple decides to start
their own spa together. As they struggle to get their
business off the ground, James begins hinting he wants to
get married, but Jennifer is starting to regret leaving Rob.
As the spa fails, Jennifer's relationship with James also fails.
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Jennifer files for bankruptcy and breaks up with James on
bad terms.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
A small town mom to be goes missing after visiting
a friend. Her jeep discovered abandon the next day. What
happened to Jennifer.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Claire saint Amont joining us Claire, so she breaks up
with the new love of James. Isn't it true that
when they were dating, James was married, had a pregnant wife,
and already had one child with the wife.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Yes, it was a complicated relationship, Nancy. So Jennifer was
involved with James at the same time that she was
still married to Rob and so they had met in
massage therapy school and James had another relationship, Jennifer had
another relationship. There was nothing, you know, very clean or
traditional about their relationship.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Alyssa, what did you make of her rebound relationship being
with a guy who was in a relationship with a.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Pregnant woman that already had one child.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Well, I mean, I was clearly not supportive.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
It was not ideal.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
I felt like it was something out of The Springer
Show or something like it. Just it rereaked of just
drama and chaos.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Claire.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
It wasn't long after that that without any income not
knowing what to do next, Jennifer decides to move back home.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Isn't that where the ex is, correct, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
So Jennifer moves back to her hometown of Bottom, Texas,
and she moves in with her grandmother, and she's seen
around town with Rob Holman, her ex husband.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
At that point, clear wasn't Holman already in another relationship?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yes he was.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Rob was dating his new girlfriend and they had moved
in together, but he was seeing Jennifer also, and it
was something that she felt really uncomfortable about. She knew
that he was going to continue to see his ex wife.
And now Rob said that it was just like a
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cordial relationship. It was because their families knew each other
and they had known each other for so long, but
many people wondered if something else was going on.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, for her to.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Move back where he is, and then a bombshell, he says,
it's a cordial relationship and that's it.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Well, what about this?
Speaker 9 (31:02):
Jill Wagner gets a call from her best friend Jennifer.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
When Jennifer leads with you're.
Speaker 9 (31:07):
Not going to believe the mess I'm in, Jill takes
a wild guess, you're pregnant? Jennifer tells her Rob Holman
is the father and she doesn't know what to do.
Holman doesn't seem to have any intention of breaking up
with his girlfriend. Jill doesn't have much advice to offer,
telling her friend to follow her gut, and.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
When she decides to tell her ex she's pregnant, she
does not get the response most women hope for.
Speaker 19 (31:36):
Jennifer gets the courage to tell Rob about her pregnancy
on a drive in date. The couple talks about their options,
but Rob says he's overwhelmed and needs some time to process.
They go their separate ways that evening without committing to
any decision about the future.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, So let me understand, Alyssa,
Jennifer's pregnant, and we're leading up to the moment she's
discovered face.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Down in the Red River. She believes it's her ex
Holman's baby.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
She tells Holman and he says he's overwhelmed and that
he didn't know what he wanted to do. He actually
admits we just saw him on tape, stating she told
me she was pregnant and it was mine.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Did you know all that?
Speaker 6 (32:31):
I didn't know she was pregnant until I got to
the house in my grandmother's house when she was missing,
and I started kind of pilfering through items in the
bathroom trying to find out any.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
Indication of what her mindset was.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
And I did find pregnancy tests, and that coupled with
the fact that I found out that she was seeing
Rob on the side, it just indicated to me that
she was pregnant with his child.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yes, the pregnancy test she found, had it been used,
did it say positive?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
It had not been used?
Speaker 6 (33:06):
That it was a packet of like two and one
was missing.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
It's not long after this where she tells the X
that she's pregnant by him.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Her body is found. Listen.
Speaker 19 (33:17):
Six days into the search for Jennifer, a fisherman in
the Red River calls nine to one one he sees
a woman's naked body floating face down in the water.
She has reddish brown hair. It's Jennifer. Her body is
so badly decomposed a medical examiner cannot determine her cause
of death, only classifying it as a violent homicide. There
is damage to some of her internal organs, and shockingly,
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Jennifer's uterus is missing. Forensic experts cannot explain why, but
believe it was destroyed by fish and turtles.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
And that is why the emmy cannot confirm she was pregnant,
but we know that she was. Also, we are learning
about a caretaker's home, an abandoned caretaker's home that was
burned down the night Jennifer disappeared. What can you tell
me about that, Clare Saint a.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Mont So, this is a fascinating development, Nancy. There was
a small caretaker's cottage that was near a private boat
ramp in Fannin County and this cottage burned to the
ground that night. And it's no known cause for why
this would have burned down. There was not any electricity
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to the cabin. It really points to arson, an intentional
lighting of this property, possibly to destroy evidence in Jennifer's murder.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And then Moore added to the mystery Listen.
Speaker 11 (34:43):
A year after Jennifer Harris's murder, Deborah Lambert seize Jennifer's
face on the news and realizes she recognizes her. Lambert
immediately calls police. She says she was driving on the
Red River Bridge and saw a redheaded woman with three men.
Two of the men had the woman by the elbows
while she struggled to get away. Lambert says she was
too scared to get involved at the time, but she
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now believes that was Jennifer Harris.
Speaker 21 (35:07):
I made contact with her and she was scared, terrified,
little corner face. My mom saying or two, and she
said that girl's visit to get great.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Thank you now for my friends at CBS forty eight
hours too. Darryl Parker joining US board certified criminal defense
investigator at Blackfish Intelligence.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Darryl, I'm torn.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
When you spot a redhead, which is really statistically not often,
that's stuck in this witness's mind.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
She says she made eye contact with the woman, the redhead,
and that she looked terrified. Her mother, the witness's mother,
saw the redhead and said that girl's.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Facing and get raped and killed. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
They did not call police, they did not report it,
and they say there were three men. I find it
very difficult to believe, Daryl, that three people have managed
to keep quiet all this time.
Speaker 17 (36:13):
Yeah, whatever miss Lambert saw that day, it didn't have
anything to do with Jennifer Harris.
Speaker 18 (36:18):
Jennifer Harris's whereabouts throughout the day, We're pretty.
Speaker 17 (36:21):
Well known through the investigation and the time of missus
Lambert's reported siding of whatever happened was several hours before
Jennifer went missing.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Ah ah, huh, so we've got an inconsistency. But then
there's the issue of a lineup.
Speaker 9 (36:38):
Listen, police create a lineup for Deborah Lambert in an
attempt to identify the men she saw with Jennifer. Lambert
picks Rob Holman out of the lineup. Sure he was
one of the men she saw, but currently investigators cannot
attest to the quality of the test. There are no
records on who was included.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Family members still looking for the murderer, who left Jennifer's
body naked and floating in a river, and what happened
to Jennifer's baby.
Speaker 19 (37:22):
Six days into the search for Jennifer, a fisherman in
the Red River calls nine to one one. He sees
a woman's naked body floating face down in the water.
She has reddish brown hair. It's Jennifer. Her body is
so badly decomposed a medical examiner cannot determine her cause
of death, only classifying it as a violent homicide. There
is damage to some of her internal organs and Shockingly,
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Jennifer's uterus is missing. Forensic experts cannot explain why, but
believe it was destroyed by fish and turtles.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Claire tell me about the ill fated lineup.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
So, Nancy, people wonder if this lineup was done properly.
There was a way that possibly it was tainted, that
it could have been that the position that you know,
Rob's photo was in that it led the eyewitness to
use it. But you know, ultimately he was identified as
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who they believed to be the person on the Red
River Bridge.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
And there's more. Listen Mother's Day.
Speaker 19 (38:22):
Eight years after Jennifer Harris's murder, Fanin County, Lieutenant Sheriff
Darryl Parker takes a stack of Harris family photos to
Rob Holman's home. Holman is struck by a photo of
Jennifer swimming in muddy water and seems to get emotional.
Parker gives Holman his card and just a few hours
later gets a call. Holman wants to talk. Caught off guard,
Parker schedules an interview for the next day, but by
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then Holman's lost his nerve and lawyered up.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
Did you have anything to do with death of Jenniferer's No,
Jennifer's preynancy.
Speaker 10 (38:53):
Did you believe she was predant?
Speaker 5 (38:54):
No?
Speaker 10 (38:55):
How did he like sho did you think that she
believed she was pregnant?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
That from our friends at CBS forty eight hours, Claire,
explain to me what we are hearing. So the ex,
who is not named, a suspect at this juncture, So
the ex wants to confess, they say, come in.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
The next day, and by then he's lawyered up and
won't give a statement.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Correct, and he no longer is willing to talk. He's
no longer willing to take a polygraph as he had
previously said that he would be willing to do. You know,
in the recorded interviews that we have with Rob Holman,
right when Jennifer goes missing, I think we have the
most reliable information. That's whenever he says that he knew
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that she was pregnant, that he asked her to get
an abortion, that he didn't want her to have the baby,
that it would ruin his life, that she had threatened
to come to the house and tell his new girlfriend
that she was pregnant with his child, and all of
these things are sort of spilling out of him in
this initial interview with police, but in future conversations once
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he's represented by an attorney, he says he didn't know
she was pregnant. He says he didn't have any idea
that the baby, you know, that there was a baby,
or that it could be his, and he's completely changed
his story.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Nancy Claire Sittlement, that's a problem.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
It's a problem not when you add facts to your statement,
but when you actually change facts.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
That's when there's a problem.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
You would think it would raise more suspicions. But in
you know, Rob Holman's case, he was never rested, never charged,
never had to face any more scrutiny for the fact
that he changed his story that he now says that
he didn't believe that she was pregnant. You know, this
should be a huge investigative turn, I would think.
Speaker 14 (40:53):
But he was never arrested, never charged again. He is
not named a suspect, has not been charged. Just because
he gave conflicting statements does not mean he's.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Going to be charged with murder. As of right now,
we don't even have a cod cause of death.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
There is a fifty thousand dollar reward for evidence information
regarding what happened to Jennifer. If you know or think
you know anything about what happened to Jennifer, please dial
one nine zero three five eight three two one four three.
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We stop now and remember an American hero, Lauren Michael
Court's Detroit PD shot and killed in the line of duty,
Survived by grieving mother Lillian and father a retired Detroit
Police officer, wife Kirsten, now a widow and son Darien,
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daughter Devin. American hero police officer Lauren Michael COURTZ Nancy
Gray signing off goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
A small town mom to be goes missing after visiting
a friend. Her jeep discovered abandon the next day. What
Happened to Jennifer?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Joining us Tonight, an all star panel including Jennifer's family
joining us in the search for what happened to Jennifer.
It all started on a Mother's Day Listen Mother's Day.
Jennifer spends the afternoon at friend Christy Farr's house. Around
eight pm, Jennifer says she has to go. Seemingly headed
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to other plans, she takes off in her green soft
Time jeep, but Jennifer never makes it home that night.
Family reports you're missing early the next morning. Very often
we hear comments like you can't report someone missing until
twenty four hours have passed.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
When a woman disappears.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
It's often said, oh, she's taking some me time, she's
out with her new boyfriend. Every time I have ever
heard that, it's been false. The person the woman is
either missing or dead. And we all know the single
highest cause of death amongst pregnant women is homicide. I'm
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sure there are all sorts of psychological or psychiatric reasons
for that shocking statistic, but What.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I do know and what is relevant to me, is
that is true.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
The number one cause of death amongst pregnant women in
America is homicide. Not high blood pressure, not a heart attack,
not some complication of the pregnancy.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's homicide.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
This beautiful young woman, just twenty eight pregnant. How did
she end up floating dead in the Red River in Texas?
That's what we're trying to determine. So we know Mother's Day.
She spends the afternoon at a friend, Christie's. Around eight pm,
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she leaves, but she never makes it home.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
What else do we know?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Listen that afternoon, Jennifer's car is found abandoned on the
side of the road, not far from a local music spot.
It doesn't appear like there was any struggle, and none
of Jennifer's belongings are in the car. Foot searches of
the area turn up nothing. Volunteers and police officers spend
days combing the streets of Bonham looking for any sign
of Jennifer.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Harris joining us All Star panel including Claire Saint Armont
joining us, author of Killer Story, The Truth behind True
Crime TV. Claire, thank you for joining us. Explain to
me where her jeep was found. Thanks for having me, Nancy. So,
Jennifer's jeep was found on a county road Lake Bonham,
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and it was a remote area. It was not highly populated,
and it was found there with the door closed, locked,
and her purse was missing. Huh, So tell me about
this remote area. Why do you say it was remote
and very undertraveled.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
So Bonham is a small town to begin with, There
are not a lot of people who lived there, and
this was a back road. It wasn't well lit, It
didn't have many businesses on it. There was one business
that was called the Hoedown, but it was closed. It
was like a local music venue and it was not
having any activity that night. So the only reason to
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be on this road would have been if you lived
over there, or perhaps to go to the lake. But
by the time you.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Know her vehicle traveled this road.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
And we do have some various ways of knowing what
time that her her vehicle was going down this road,
it was already after dark, so there wouldn't have been
a whole lot to.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
See Claire Saint Ramont joining us. Claire, what time, according
to the evidence, was she driving in along this remote area?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
So it was shortly after eight pm that she was
found to be driving in this area. And we know
that because she had left her friend's house after getting
a recipe for chicken spaghetti. She had left her friend's
house and said, it's almost eight o'clock. I've got to go.
And she didn't say who she had to go meet
with or why she had to leave, but she specifically said,
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it's almost eight I've got to go. And it doesn't
take long to get from Christy Farr's house to where
her vehicle was found, and it's believed that she took
a direct route, so it would have.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Just been minutes.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
And there's even a neighbor who saw her car as
she was taking her evening walk and she remembered that
it had just started to rain, and so based on
using weather data, we can really pinpoint the time that
her jeep arrived at this area.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
To just a few minutes after eight pm.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I'm not really sure that just because Jennifer, who spent
the whole day with her friend Christy Farr, looks at
our watcher says, oh my goodness, it's eight o'clock. I
gotta go, I don't know that we can extrapolate to
she was meeting someone in some nefarious way. Why is
her jeep in this remote area We don't know that
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yet an empty music venue, But let's move forward. Jennifer's
family is with us tonight. Straight out to Alissa Warnick
and Barry Warnick. This is Alissa's husband. To both the Warnicks,
thank you for being with us. Alissa, I'm sure you
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recall when you learned your sister was missing.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Tell me what happened.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Well.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
I was living in Austin and I a phone call
the day after Mother's Day that her deep had been
found in the area of Lake Bonham, which is north
of the bottom on a county road. And it just
seemed peculiar to me that she would leave her vehicle
for any reason, much less without her dog, who she
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carried wherever she went. So I just started calling and
asking questions and wondering what she.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Could be up to if she decided to take a.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Trip somewhere or join someone somewhere. But the fact that
she didn't come home at night was a major red flag.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
How closely were you guys in touch.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
We were three years apart, so we had.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
Different sort of life paths going on at that time.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
But We did touch base with each other, especially around
Mother's Day because we lost our mother and that was
an emotional time. But unfortunately I didn't get a hold
of her on Mother's Day. She had been in Sherman
with my grandmother and her friend.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
But we did talk.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
From time to time.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
I wouldn't say every day, but recently up until her death,
we were in touch quite a.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Bit, very often.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
When we saw cases and we hit a dead end,
we circle back and we take a look at the victim.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (07:30):
Jennifer Harris grows up in rural Bottom, Texas. Parents Jerry
and Alicia Harris couldn't be more proud. Jennifer is a
wonderful sister, a cheerleader, part of student council, and is
rarely found without her bow Rob Holman. The couple starts
dating in the sixth grade and has been inseparable ever since. Jennifer,
known as the dreamer of the family, heads off to
college three hours away in Nacadochius. Three years later, Rob
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follows Jennifer to Dallas and asks her to marry him,
a proposal she happily accepts.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And then a life changing event, the loss of her mother.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Less than a year after her wedding, Jennifer loses her
mother to a long battle with cancer. Jennifer experiences a
great deal of personal growth as she grieves with her family.
Jennifer and Rob settle in suburban Dallas so Jennifer can
return to school, now training as a massage therapist, while
Rob takes a landscaping job.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Melissa, this is Jennifer's sister. How did the loss of
your mother affect her?
Speaker 7 (08:30):
Well?
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Unfortunately, we lived with her illness of cancer for quite
a long time. We both took turns visiting her every
other weekend because I was living in Austin and she
was living bac Indoches at scy and so we wanted
to make sure that one of us was with her
each weekend.
Speaker 9 (08:54):
But it was.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Unfortunate that it happened to be the week that my
past that she was visiting a friend in California. So
she never forgave herself for not being there when it happened.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I got a question, Alissa, do you in any way
think Jennifer, who we believe was pregnant at the time,
would have committed suicide?
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Absolutely not a chance. She actually, in fact was putting
her pieces of her own puzzle together and trying to
pick up and start a new life.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
She had her sights.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
On moving to Colorado or New Mexico and starting fresh.
Speaker 7 (09:34):
She even considered moving to Austin to be near me, and.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
She had a lot of hope Mary or joining us.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
This is Alissa's husband, also an attorney and mediator.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
But thanks for being with us.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Mary, What were your impressions of your sister in law Jennifer?
Do you agree no way would she have committed suicide.
Speaker 10 (09:54):
From everything that I know and I've learned about Alyssa
and her family, that would have been the furthest thing
from Jennifer's mind, especially at that time. I'm also a
filmmaker and we're working on investigating Jennifer's murder and documenting
it and putting together a docuseries, and in so doing
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we're interviewing so many different people, but just talking to Alissa,
talking to Jennifer's friends. At the time, she had hope.
She was getting her life together. She was planning on
a movie either to Austin. She was applying for jobs.
She actually scheduled a trip with her father a couple
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weeks later to go down to the Gudaloupe Mountains to
go hiking, so she had plans moving forward. The other
thing is her jeep was found twelve miles from the
Red River. Now how someone gets out of their car,
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takes the purse, leaves everything in order. Of course, there's
a CD missing that she was planning on giving to
her ex husband and somehow just gets herself naked, walks
twelve miles or takes a ride twelve miles to.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I don't know, yeah, very I mean, I'm certainly not
a shrink, but I do know this and all the
cases I have ever investigated, prosecuted, or covered, I've never
seen a person part their jeep, go for a twelve
mile hike and then go, oh, I think I'll kill myself.
That just doesn't make sense. Also, the fact that she
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was pregnant. It's very unlikely statistically that she would have
committed suicide while pregnant. Why again, I can't tell you that,
but I do know what statistics tell me now.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Also, Alyssa warn't joining us.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
This is Jennifer's sister, the closest person in the world
to Jennifer.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So she had started dating.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I guess that means holding hands with her soon to
be husband all the way back in the sixth grade
and they became inseparable. She moves to the big city
from Bottom to Dallas, and then he wants to be
with her, so he follows her and they do get married.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Is that correct, Alyssa?
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Well, she moved to Dacadochis to go to Stephen FoST University.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
And Rob followed her there.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
They were inseparable at the time. They loved Nacadochius. That
was the happiest time of their lives in my opinion,
and it just wasn't until they both graduated and needed
to start their careers that more opportunity was in the
Dallas area.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
So that's when they moved to Dallas.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
And they lived in Carrollton, I believe, at the very
beginning of their career journeys.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Police launch an exhaustive search. Six days later, a fisherman
finds a naked body floating in Red River. Cooked up
theories and public opinions lead law enforcement on a wild
goose chase for suspects. What really happened?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Let me understand?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
The two of them, Mary and they settle down in
suburban Dallas. She goes back to school to study massage
therapy and he goes into landscaping.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Is that where we're at at that point? Yes?
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Correct, And as Mary and I have discussed off air,
I mean he is a lawyer now filmmaker and the
title of that dot is planned to be Justice for Jennifer.
You know how one little fact Barry can totally skew
an investigation, much less a presentation to the jury.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Do you have one fact wrong? You could be screwed.
Speaker 10 (14:03):
Yeah, that's correct. It takes it puts everything else into jeopardy.
Now what's really credible? You know, and everything loses credibility.
So you want to make sure that every fact, every
detail that you have is correct and no presuppositions or
anything else like that. We are talking about whether whether
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Jennifer could have committed suicide.
Speaker 11 (14:26):
The couple seems happy in their first home together, but
they begin to learn that they want different things in life.
Jennifer loves frequent outings and their proximity to the city,
but Rob hates the hustle and bustle, preferring the slower
pace of Bontom and wants to settle down and start
a family. Resentment builds between the childhood sweethearts. Friends and
families start to take notice of the cracks and their relationship.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
The two break up. They want a different lifestyle. She
likes a big city. He wanted to go back home
and acquire a pace of life, so they split. Let's
get back to the present day. Jennifer is found face
down pregnant in a river. Let's go back to the
times she disappeared.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (15:09):
When Jennifer Harris disappears without a trace, police immediately turned
to the men in her life, ex boyfriend James Hamilton
and ex husband Rob Holman. Hamilton tells officers he moved
on and hope Jennifer was happy. Hamilton says he was
eating with friends at a McDonald's fifty miles away at
eight pm on Mother's Day.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
That got to Claire Saint Amant joining us, author of
Kill Our Story, The Truth Behind True Crime TV.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Claire. When the two separated, okay.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
When the husband went back home and she stayed in
the big city, they both started seeing other people.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Right correct, they were no longer together. They continued to communicate,
They continued to keep up a relationship, but they were
dating other people.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Dot A Judy Hoe joining us now Clinical forensic neuropsychologist
and author of the New Rules of Attachment. Doctor Judy,
thank you for being with us. You know, these two
had been sweethearts since sixth grade. They split up, they
(16:18):
want different lifestyles and find new loves. But you know,
it's not always as simple as it seems, is it,
doctor Hope.
Speaker 12 (16:27):
It really isn't, Nancy, Because they've known each other pretty
much all their lives.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
There's still going to be that connection.
Speaker 12 (16:33):
As we grow, of course, our preferences change, we start
to know ourselves better, they decide they.
Speaker 13 (16:38):
Want different things, But that type of emotional connection, it's
not just going to end overnight. These individuals have seen
each other grow up, have seen each other's dreams and hopes,
have been seen each other through big things, and it's
not just.
Speaker 12 (16:51):
Going to be as easy as we're broken up and
we're never going to speak again.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
I'm never going to think about you again.
Speaker 14 (16:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Earlier, doctor Judy Hope, we were discussing the unlikelihood that
Jennifer committed suicide. There is no cod yet cause of death,
and I find that very very interesting. Doctor Thomas Coin
joining me Chief Medical Examiner or District to ma's office
in Florida, doctor Coin, I'm very surprised she's found floating
(17:21):
dead in a river that they could not attribute her
cod cause of death to drowning more than likely.
Speaker 15 (17:27):
Because of the processes of decomposition. Bodies in water are
probably some of the most hardest cases that we encounter.
Second you die, your body starts to basically digest itself
as well as the bacteria that lines all of our
cavities begin the process of future fraction. Future faction will
(17:48):
break down all of our body tissues, you know, causes
massive color change, literal loss of tissue. Now you add
that into a water environment where you have a number
of other scavenging marine life, which include crabs, turtles, fish,
you have other ab and species that may be involved
that actually come in and actually remove tissue. So when
(18:11):
the body is received of the medical exoner's office, and
may be very difficult to determine cause of death because
you're just simply missing a lot. You know, we based
our decisions upon what we see with our eyes as
well as what we see under our microscope, and if
the tissue isn't there, it's hard to take a diagnosis.
It's hard to actually track hemorrhage in tissue if the
tissue is absent, especially like, for instance, if we find
(18:35):
a body outside and it has completely skeletonized, and very
often it does that in the heat of Florida or
in the heat of Texas. If a person was shot
and that bullet only traveled through soft tissue and all
we have left the skeleton, we may not be able
to tell whether or not a person has been shot.
So again, decomposition, the actual scavenging of animal life, that
can make it very difficult for us to determine how
(18:56):
a person.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Died, too, Doctor Judy Hoe, likely is statistically that a
pregnant mom commits suicide.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Extremely unlikely, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
As you mentioned earlier, that.
Speaker 12 (19:08):
Is a huge wrench in this supposed story, that she
would somehow take her own life.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
Usually that is a meaning to live life to the
best of your ability for most people, and even.
Speaker 12 (19:20):
Sometimes when the pregnancy is a surprise, when the pregnancy
is not necessarily planned, it's still usually and we're saying usually,
because of course there's always the exception, but usually it
helps the person to say, no, I'm not living for
myself anymore, and no matter what happens, I got to
do better, and I have to look forward to something
(19:41):
for the future. And when you have hope and meaningfulness
like that, you do not take your own life.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You know, docter Gio, I need you to be able
to explain it.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I just know the statistics based on cases I investigate,
try as a homicide and cover that I never see
pregnant women can a suicide. And very curious to Claire
Saint Amant joining us in addition to Jennifer's family, her
sister and her husband, who is so moved by this case.
He's actually creating a documentary. Claire, again, thank you for
(20:12):
being with us. Claire, the time period from the time
she went missing I was reported missing to the time
her body was found in the Red River, how much
time passed?
Speaker 5 (20:23):
It was one week, So she's found in the Red
River a week after she goes missing, and so it's
a long period of time. It's difficult, you know, for
her family. They're searching for her, They're looking in wooded areas,
they're looking, you know, in bodies of water, trying to
figure out where she could have gone.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Baby Lisa Irwin vanishes from her crib in the middle
of the night. Then a key.
Speaker 16 (20:52):
Witness sees a suspicious man that night carrying a baby.
This potential suspect has never been interview before, but Magan
Kelly tracks him down. Making Kelly Investigates is a five
part series releasing every weekday beginning Monday, March ten, available
on YouTube Series six XM and wherever you listen to
(21:14):
The Megan Kelly Show podcast. Click the link in the
description of this episode for more crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
No suspects, lost evidence, and dead witnesses stalls the search
for a killer who had the most to gain by
Jennifer's disappearance.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Another thing that I noticed, doctor Thomas Coin, is that
while we don't have a cod cause of death such
as legature, strangulation, poisoning, a gunshot one a knife.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
When we don't have the cause of.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Death, but we've been thrown a little clue, we do
know her death was ruled quote violent homicide. Now I
find that curious because if they won't tell me the
cod then how do they know it is violent homicide.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I've got one other clue.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
The only injury that we could get from the medical
examiner's report was a wound on her abdomen in damage.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
To internal organs.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Now that is in total contradiction of a theory she
could have committed suicide, right what did she beat herself
and cause internal damage?
Speaker 15 (22:28):
No sure, and I assume those injuries could be determined
to be not from animal scavenging or decomposition. But it's
not common for medical examiners to rule on a matter
of death and not a cause of death based upon
the circumstances, you know, given the fact that she was
found so far from her vehicle, the police investigation did
not and the family interviews did not show any evidence
(22:51):
that suggests perhaps that this was a suicide. I'm assuming
also the autopsy at least disclosed that she had no
underlying natural disease processes, although decomposition was present, but you
could still sometimes determine if whether or not there was
any other serious disease processes, you know, that were present.
So my assumption is that based upon all of the circumstances,
(23:13):
they were able to at least render a manner of
death in this case, which is homicide.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
You know, I was talking to daughter Gdo earlier about
how things are not always as they same. I remember
my first high school boyfriend with great affection this guy
she had known since sixth grade.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Okay, listen.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
On a visit to Jennifer's Dallas home, Jennifer's father, Jerry Harris,
notices five large holes in the living room wall. When
asked what happened, Jennifer says she got in an argument
with Rob, who got so angry he began punching the wall.
Late one night, Alyssa Harris gets a call from her
older sister. Jennifer tells her Rob came home drunk and
(23:54):
angry and forced himself on her when she tried to
calm him down. Jennifer never reports the attack to police,
but Alyssa notices a huge change in her sister's demeanor
with her husband that was.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Never reported to police, and the husband, the ex husband,
has never been accused or charged in that event. Alyssa,
what do you recall of that conversation with Jennifer.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
I just remember she called me and she was very upset.
She was crying and she didn't understand.
Speaker 7 (24:25):
How could this happen?
Speaker 6 (24:27):
It's her husband, and she felt like she couldn't record
anything because how do you go to the authorities and say,
you know, my husband forced me to have sex with
him or forced me onto the bed or whatever. She
felt like things had gotten out of control with the drinking,
(24:49):
and it really forced her to look at some bigger
issues and that's when she began therapy.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Daryl Parker is joining US certified Criminal Defense Investigator, President
of Blackfish Intelligence. Daryl, why is it that so many
women don't report rape? In this case, if it's true
and the husband, the ex husband, of course, denies it,
(25:18):
we have no claim, no police report. So many women
feel they cannot report a rape because fill in the blank.
I was married to him, I was out on a
date with him, I had been drinking, my skirt.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Was too short. Have you noticed that so often.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Alleged rapes do not get reported for a multitude of reasons, Daryl, Yeah.
Speaker 17 (25:42):
I mean a lot of times these women are invested
in these relationships. You know, they either for financial reasons, security,
the length of the relationship.
Speaker 18 (25:52):
Fear of further violence, those kind of things. All those
are reasons why someone might not report a rate.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Well, we definitely need to shrink from this.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Why is it wring You break up so often, you
bounce back a rebound relationship, And that's what Jennifer did.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Listen with her marriage.
Speaker 8 (26:09):
On the rocks, Jennifer meets someone new at massage therapy school,
James Hamilton, who lives with the mother of his child
and has a second one on the way. Is Rob's
polar opposite.
Speaker 19 (26:18):
James has big dreams and likes Jennifer as much as
she likes him. Friends Warren Jennifer about getting involved with
James with her husband at home.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Due Doctor Judy Hoe, what do you make of the
rebound relationship.
Speaker 12 (26:31):
Well, Nancy, it's a pattern that obviously we see sometimes
maybe we've even done ourselves after we break up with.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Someone, and the reason is this.
Speaker 18 (26:41):
There's that emotional attachment, and sometimes the breakup.
Speaker 20 (26:44):
Is very sudden, or there's a feeling that am I
making the right choice? So then there's all of these
feelings and you've got nowhere to go, and in that time,
your decision making is going to be a big cloud,
and you may not decide on the best partner, just
on somebody who's around who's going to fill that void,
at least temporarily.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
And this is why a lot of times when people have.
Speaker 12 (27:05):
Her rebound relationship, friends and family members are commenting because hey,
maybe this is.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
Not the person you should be with.
Speaker 12 (27:12):
But the reason is you're just looking for anyone, anyone
that you can cling onto during that emotionally vulnerable moment,
and you're not making your best decisions.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Melissa, what did you think of your younger sister Jennifer's
rebound relationship?
Speaker 6 (27:25):
I thought it was a little quick and based on
emotional not so much brain, but more heart, and I
thought she could think things throw better and take things
a little slower. I do feel like it was solely
(27:46):
based on shared dreams and aspirations and not so much.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, not only that, Alissa, the guy has a pregnant
wife at home and a baby. It's not a good choice. Well,
she came to that realization.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Not long after finishing school, Jennifer hands Rob divorce papers
and he returns to Bonham a single man. James quickly
moves in with Jennifer, and the couple decides to start
their own spa together. As they struggle to get their
business off the ground, James begins hinting he wants to
get married, but Jennifer is starting to regret leaving Rob.
As the spa fails, Jennifer's relationship with James also fails.
(28:26):
Jennifer files for bankruptcy and breaks up with James on
bad terms.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
A small town mom to be goes missing after visiting
a friend. Her jeep discovered abandon the next day. What
happened to Jennifer.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Claire saint Amont joining us Claire, so she breaks up
with the new love of James. Isn't it true that
when they were dating, James was married, had a pregnant wife,
and already had one child with the wife.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Yes, it was a complicated relationship, Nancy. So Jennifer was
involved with James at the same time that she was
still married to Rob and so they had met in
massage therapy school and James had another relationship, Jennifer had
another relationship. There was nothing, you know, very clean or
traditional about their relationship.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Alyssa, what did you make of her rebound relationship being
with a guy who was in a relationship with a.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Pregnant woman that already had one child.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Well, I mean, I was clearly not supportive.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
It was not ideal.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
I felt like it was something out of The Springer
Show or something like it. Just it rereaked of just
drama and chaos.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Claire.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
It wasn't long after that that without any income not
knowing what to do next, Jennifer decides to move back home.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Isn't that where the ex is, correct, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
So Jennifer moves back to her hometown of Bottom, Texas,
and she moves in with her grandmother, and she's seen
around town with Rob Holman, her ex husband.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
At that point, clear wasn't Holman already in another relationship?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yes he was.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Rob was dating his new girlfriend and they had moved
in together, but he was seeing Jennifer also, and it
was something that she felt really uncomfortable about. She knew
that he was going to continue to see his ex wife.
And now Rob said that it was just like a
(30:44):
cordial relationship. It was because their families knew each other
and they had known each other for so long, but
many people wondered if something else was going on.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, for her to.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Move back where he is, and then a bombshell, he says,
it's a cordial relationship and that's it.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Well, what about this?
Speaker 9 (31:02):
Jill Wagner gets a call from her best friend Jennifer.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
When Jennifer leads with you're.
Speaker 9 (31:07):
Not going to believe the mess I'm in, Jill takes
a wild guess, you're pregnant? Jennifer tells her Rob Holman
is the father and she doesn't know what to do.
Holman doesn't seem to have any intention of breaking up
with his girlfriend. Jill doesn't have much advice to offer,
telling her friend to follow her gut, and.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
When she decides to tell her ex she's pregnant, she
does not get the response most women hope for.
Speaker 19 (31:36):
Jennifer gets the courage to tell Rob about her pregnancy
on a drive in date. The couple talks about their options,
but Rob says he's overwhelmed and needs some time to process.
They go their separate ways that evening without committing to
any decision about the future.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, So let me understand, Alyssa,
Jennifer's pregnant, and we're leading up to the moment she's
discovered face.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Down in the Red River. She believes it's her ex
Holman's baby.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
She tells Holman and he says he's overwhelmed and that
he didn't know what he wanted to do. He actually
admits we just saw him on tape, stating she told
me she was pregnant and it was mine.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Did you know all that?
Speaker 6 (32:31):
I didn't know she was pregnant until I got to
the house in my grandmother's house when she was missing,
and I started kind of pilfering through items in the
bathroom trying to find out any.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
Indication of what her mindset was.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
And I did find pregnancy tests, and that coupled with
the fact that I found out that she was seeing
Rob on the side, it just indicated to me that
she was pregnant with his child.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yes, the pregnancy test she found, had it been used,
did it say positive?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
It had not been used?
Speaker 6 (33:06):
That it was a packet of like two and one
was missing.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
It's not long after this where she tells the X
that she's pregnant by him.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Her body is found. Listen.
Speaker 19 (33:17):
Six days into the search for Jennifer, a fisherman in
the Red River calls nine to one one he sees
a woman's naked body floating face down in the water.
She has reddish brown hair. It's Jennifer. Her body is
so badly decomposed a medical examiner cannot determine her cause
of death, only classifying it as a violent homicide. There
is damage to some of her internal organs, and shockingly,
(33:39):
Jennifer's uterus is missing. Forensic experts cannot explain why, but
believe it was destroyed by fish and turtles.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
And that is why the emmy cannot confirm she was pregnant,
but we know that she was. Also, we are learning
about a caretaker's home, an abandoned caretaker's home that was
burned down the night Jennifer disappeared. What can you tell
me about that, Clare Saint a.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Mont So, this is a fascinating development, Nancy. There was
a small caretaker's cottage that was near a private boat
ramp in Fannin County and this cottage burned to the
ground that night. And it's no known cause for why
this would have burned down. There was not any electricity
(34:28):
to the cabin. It really points to arson, an intentional
lighting of this property, possibly to destroy evidence in Jennifer's murder.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And then Moore added to the mystery Listen.
Speaker 11 (34:43):
A year after Jennifer Harris's murder, Deborah Lambert seize Jennifer's
face on the news and realizes she recognizes her. Lambert
immediately calls police. She says she was driving on the
Red River Bridge and saw a redheaded woman with three men.
Two of the men had the woman by the elbows
while she struggled to get away. Lambert says she was
too scared to get involved at the time, but she
(35:05):
now believes that was Jennifer Harris.
Speaker 21 (35:07):
I made contact with her and she was scared, terrified,
little corner face. My mom saying or two, and she
said that girl's visit to get great.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Thank you now for my friends at CBS forty eight
hours too. Darryl Parker joining US board certified criminal defense
investigator at Blackfish Intelligence.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Darryl, I'm torn.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
When you spot a redhead, which is really statistically not often,
that's stuck in this witness's mind.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
She says she made eye contact with the woman, the redhead,
and that she looked terrified. Her mother, the witness's mother,
saw the redhead and said that girl's.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Facing and get raped and killed. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
They did not call police, they did not report it,
and they say there were three men. I find it
very difficult to believe, Daryl, that three people have managed
to keep quiet all this time.
Speaker 17 (36:13):
Yeah, whatever miss Lambert saw that day, it didn't have
anything to do with Jennifer Harris.
Speaker 18 (36:18):
Jennifer Harris's whereabouts throughout the day, We're pretty.
Speaker 17 (36:21):
Well known through the investigation and the time of missus
Lambert's reported siding of whatever happened was several hours before
Jennifer went missing.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Ah ah, huh, so we've got an inconsistency. But then
there's the issue of a lineup.
Speaker 9 (36:38):
Listen, police create a lineup for Deborah Lambert in an
attempt to identify the men she saw with Jennifer. Lambert
picks Rob Holman out of the lineup. Sure he was
one of the men she saw, but currently investigators cannot
attest to the quality of the test. There are no
records on who was included.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Family members still looking for the murderer, who left Jennifer's
body naked and floating in a river, and what happened
to Jennifer's baby.
Speaker 19 (37:22):
Six days into the search for Jennifer, a fisherman in
the Red River calls nine to one one. He sees
a woman's naked body floating face down in the water.
She has reddish brown hair. It's Jennifer. Her body is
so badly decomposed a medical examiner cannot determine her cause
of death, only classifying it as a violent homicide. There
is damage to some of her internal organs and Shockingly,
(37:44):
Jennifer's uterus is missing. Forensic experts cannot explain why, but
believe it was destroyed by fish and turtles.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Claire tell me about the ill fated lineup.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
So, Nancy, people wonder if this lineup was done properly.
There was a way that possibly it was tainted, that
it could have been that the position that you know,
Rob's photo was in that it led the eyewitness to
use it. But you know, ultimately he was identified as
(38:15):
who they believed to be the person on the Red
River Bridge.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
And there's more. Listen Mother's Day.
Speaker 19 (38:22):
Eight years after Jennifer Harris's murder, Fanin County, Lieutenant Sheriff
Darryl Parker takes a stack of Harris family photos to
Rob Holman's home. Holman is struck by a photo of
Jennifer swimming in muddy water and seems to get emotional.
Parker gives Holman his card and just a few hours
later gets a call. Holman wants to talk. Caught off guard,
Parker schedules an interview for the next day, but by
(38:44):
then Holman's lost his nerve and lawyered up.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
Did you have anything to do with death of Jenniferer's No,
Jennifer's preynancy.
Speaker 10 (38:53):
Did you believe she was predant?
Speaker 5 (38:54):
No?
Speaker 10 (38:55):
How did he like sho did you think that she
believed she was pregnant?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
That from our friends at CBS forty eight hours, Claire,
explain to me what we are hearing. So the ex,
who is not named, a suspect at this juncture, So
the ex wants to confess, they say, come in.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
The next day, and by then he's lawyered up and
won't give a statement.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Correct, and he no longer is willing to talk. He's
no longer willing to take a polygraph as he had
previously said that he would be willing to do. You know,
in the recorded interviews that we have with Rob Holman,
right when Jennifer goes missing, I think we have the
most reliable information. That's whenever he says that he knew
(39:45):
that she was pregnant, that he asked her to get
an abortion, that he didn't want her to have the baby,
that it would ruin his life, that she had threatened
to come to the house and tell his new girlfriend
that she was pregnant with his child, and all of
these things are sort of spilling out of him in
this initial interview with police, but in future conversations once
(40:06):
he's represented by an attorney, he says he didn't know
she was pregnant. He says he didn't have any idea
that the baby, you know, that there was a baby,
or that it could be his, and he's completely changed
his story.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Nancy Claire Sittlement, that's a problem.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
It's a problem not when you add facts to your statement,
but when you actually change facts.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
That's when there's a problem.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
You would think it would raise more suspicions. But in
you know, Rob Holman's case, he was never rested, never charged,
never had to face any more scrutiny for the fact
that he changed his story that he now says that
he didn't believe that she was pregnant. You know, this
should be a huge investigative turn, I would think.
Speaker 14 (40:53):
But he was never arrested, never charged again. He is
not named a suspect, has not been charged. Just because
he gave conflicting statements does not mean he's.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Going to be charged with murder. As of right now,
we don't even have a cod cause of death.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
There is a fifty thousand dollar reward for evidence information
regarding what happened to Jennifer. If you know or think
you know anything about what happened to Jennifer, please dial
one nine zero three five eight three two one four three.
(41:36):
We stop now and remember an American hero, Lauren Michael
Court's Detroit PD shot and killed in the line of duty,
Survived by grieving mother Lillian and father a retired Detroit
Police officer, wife Kirsten, now a widow and son Darien,
(41:58):
daughter Devin. American hero police officer Lauren Michael COURTZ Nancy
Gray signing off goodbye friend.
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