July 20, 2025 • 43 mins
An American woman claims she was raped by one of the suspects in Jocelyn Nungary's murder. She says the attack happened during a vacation to Costa Rica, and the government there did nothing.
The night Jocelyn's body was found, Billie Jean Jackson is driving past the creek near 400 West Rankin Road and sees what she thinks might be a mannequin.
The image was lifelike enough to make her turn around and check it out for sure. Getting a good look, Jackson realizes, it is not a mannequin and calls 911.
On Sunday night, Jocelyn Nungaray's mother, Alexis reminds her not to stay up too late as Jocelyn is going to work with her mother in the morning. Alexis tells Jocelyn goodnight at 10 pm and turns in for the night herself. A little later when she is certain her mother is asleep, Jocelyn sneaks out of the house and goes to a local convenience store.
It is around midnight when she calls her 13-year-old boyfriend, who says he hears Jocelyn talking to some adults before he hangs up the phone. After talking to her boyfriend, Jocelyn is seen on camera at a local 7-Eleven convenience store.
In the pictures, Jocelyn Nungaray is seen with two other people, both adults. It's possibly the same people with whom her boyfriend overheard Jocelyn talking.
Around the same time Billie Jean Jackson is calling 911, Alexis Nungaray is preparing to wake up her 5-year-old son and 12-year-old daughter, Jocelyn Nungaray. Finding Jocelyn gone, Alexis reportedly pings her daughter’s cell phone location, which traces the phone to a creek near 400 West Rankin Road
Alexis Nungaray arrives at the spot where her daughter Jocelyn's phone pings and sees police tape is up and police are canvassing the area.
Alexis Nungaray tells police her daughter is missing, and she is there because this is where her phone last pinged. Officers take down information from Alexis, but it still takes an hour before she receives the call that a body has been found, and it is possibly Jocelyn.
Now Harris County District Attorney's Office is seeking the death penalty for both men.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Dr. Bethany Marshall – Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills); X: @DrBethanyLive/ Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall; Appearing in “Paris in Love” on Peacock; BOOK: “Deal Breaker: When to work on a relationship and when to walk away”
- Michael Ybanez – Former Houston Police Homicide Detective, Licensed Private Investigator
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors
- Dr. Kendall Crowns – Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth) and Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School
- Corley Peel- News Reporter for KPRC2 in Houston; Instagram: @KPRC2Corley, X: @KPRC2Corley, Facebook: @KPRC2CorleyPeel
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
In the Last Days, a bizarre twist in the migrant
murder of a little twelve year old girl, Jocelyn Nungary.
This emerging after a claim of a brutal rape by
an American woman on vacation. What does that have to
(00:27):
do with twelve year old Jocelyn? I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. We
will never forget the murder of a beautiful little girl,
Jocelyn Nungry, just twelve years old.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Last summer.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Suspects in her devastating murder were revealed to be illegal immigrants,
migrants who entered our country illegally just months before. It
was Franklin Jose Piinorramos twenty six and Johann Jose Martinez
Rangel twenty two, who allegedly lured the little girl underneath
(01:06):
a bridge, sex assaulted her for hours, then murdering her
and leaving her strangled body in the bayou near the bridge.
In the last Days, an American woman who had been
vacationing in Costa Rica tells authorities she was raped Franklin
(01:30):
Jose Pina Ramos. According to the witness, the attack occurred
in Central America just before Nungary was murdered on June seventeen. Now,
that was as Pina was en routed to the US
from South America. Now, the woman went to Costa Rican
(01:51):
authorities after she was attacked, but she was ignored. Now,
this is according to Kim Ogg, who was District attorney
in Houston until January. Ogg says when the victim reported
it to authorities in Costa Rica, they did absolutely nothing.
Ogg says when she learned about the Costa Rican victim
last year, she immediately decided to seek the death penalty
(02:16):
for both men in Jocelyn's case. What exactly happened in
Jocelyn's case? Jocelyn, just twelve years old, lured from a
local seven to eleven, found strangled and unclothed, tied up
in a creek.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
The chief, we're here to share some very horrible news.
Someone has taken one of our innocent children, promised today.
A twelve year old little girl found her this morning,
and we believe somebody did this horrible thing to her,
and we are here to ask for your help.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I'm like angry that the advantage of her.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
She's so young, so you'd take my baby away.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Now I get too, little brother Noles to say that.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
We can hold that emotional video of Jocen's mother from
our friends Akhou.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It all started when we heard this.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Listen to find out if anybody knows anything, anybody saw anything,
anybody can share that information so we can figure out
what happened to her exactly, and we can find whoever
did this and get them off the street.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I've talked to this child, to mother. Of course, she
is devastated, her family is devastating. Her little girl is gone.
So we need your help.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
This little girl goes to bed. My mommy goes to bed,
a twelve year old little girl, Jocelyn. Then she sneaks
out for what to go about a block to the
seven to eleven and call her little boyfriend. That's it,
just a phone call. She never came home. This is
(04:16):
what more we know.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
I'm going to talk to you about an incident that
happened around six am this morning. A citizen called nine
to one one regarding a body seen in the shallow
water of the Bayou and your four hundred West Brancolin
Road in the Houston's North Beelt area. Houston's Homicide Division
along with the assistants of the Houston Department's dive team
in the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, we're able to
(04:37):
recover that body out of the shallow water. There. Harris
County's Medical Examiner's Office is completing an official identification of
the victim.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
That little twelve year old girl has been murdered and
we believe raped by who. According to police, two illegal
immigrants also known as no on citizen migrants, one of
them allegedly cutting off his ankle monitor after the murder.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
That's right, let that sink in.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
One of them cutting off his criminal ankle monitor after
the twelve year old little girl is murdered.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So at the time, this little girl.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Is stripped, tied up, kept under a bridge, being tortured
for two hours, lured away.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
From that payphone by these two.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
There's no other way to say it, animals, he's wearing
an ankle monitor. He's already committed a crime. There she is,
thinking she's on a real adventure, sneaking to a payphone
to call her a little thirteen year old.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Boyfriend to say good night.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
In the background, the little boyfriend, here's adult voice, two
adult voices who walks up to a little twelve year
old girl, lures her away, only to rape and strangle her,
or strip her under a bridge and tie her up
and then throw her half clothed body into a creek.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
These two, that's who, why are they even here?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Joining me in All Star panel to makes sense of
what we know right now?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
But have any of you had it with.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Violent crime, especially on children, much less by illegal immigrants
that are not supposed to be here anyway?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Why why are they here?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Why are they lurking around unapprehended? And now this little
girl is dead again? Joining me in All Star panel,
but first to Coray Peel investigative reporter kp RC two
in Houston.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Thank you for being with us. Corly, start at the beginning.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
This tragic story starts when Alexis Nungray tucked her twelve
year old daughter Alexis in bed Sunday night. Last Sunday.
She was expected to go to work with her mother
the next morning, so she said everything was normal, nothing
seemed unusual.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
She went to.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Bed around ten o'clock that night, and the next morning
she realized that her daughter was missing. So she gets
in her car. She drives around the neighborhood looking for her.
She starts pinging her daughter's phone, and when she pings
her phone, it takes her to the creek where she
sees a crime scene and detectives Corly Peel.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That is every appearance worse nightmare, because when I can't
find the twins, my children, I just go look at
Life thirty sixty and I see where they are, and
they're where they're supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And I'm just imagining this mom. And it was.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Really early in the morning, and Jocelyn, the twelve year
old little girl, was going with mommy to work that morning,
and mommy told her that just before they went to
bid go to bed, go to bed, you got to
get up early because you're going to work with.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Me and mommy goes to sleep. This is what we know. Listen.
Speaker 8 (08:13):
Joscelyn Nungary is a helpful, bright, funny girl. At twelve
years old, she helps her mother with her little brother
and at school, she's one of the most popular. On
Sunday night, Jocelyn's mother, Alexis Nungary, reminds her not to
stay up too late, as Jocelyn is going to work
with her in the morning. Alexis tells Joscelyn good night
at ten pm and turns in for the night herself.
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A little after ten pm, when she is certain her
mother is asleep, Joscelyn sneaks out of the house and
goes to a local convenience store. It's around midnight when
she calls her thirteen year old boyfriend, who says he
hears Jocelyn talking to some adults before he hangs up
the phone.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Joining me, Doctor Bethany Marshall Reronow psychoanalyst, joining us from LA.
You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
Doctor Bethany, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
You know, I've.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Actually heard people horrible, people attacking the little girl and
the mom. It was a couple of blocks away. For
what is she out dealing drugs? Is she out horing around?
Is she out joy riding, stealing a car, vandalizing, doing pot,
doing anything wrong? No, she goes to call and say
good night to the little boyfriend who's just thirteen and
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he's at home with his parents. That's it, and some
people have actually vilified it.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
You know, a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Not me, because I was afraid that I wasn't afraid
of what my parents would do to me.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I was afraid they'd be disappointed in me.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I never snuck out, but I can't say the same
for my brother and sister or anybody else I know
that didn't sneak out and do something and actually get
back in without getting caught.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But I hate that, Bethany.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Will people do anything, come up with anything, fabricate anything
to blame a victim. I think I know why they
do it, because it isolates them from a crime like
that'll never happen to me and my child. But this
is a twelve year old little girl who was about
to get up at the crack of dawn to go
(10:11):
with mommy to work.
Speaker 9 (10:12):
Nancy.
Speaker 10 (10:13):
People are saying all kinds of horrible things, like why
did the mother go to bed before her daughter went
to bed, Why did the little girl sleep sneak out
of the window, Why did she have a boyfriend?
Speaker 9 (10:22):
To put this in context, Nancy, by the.
Speaker 10 (10:25):
Time children are twelve years old, they are beginning a
developmental trajectory where they will start to distance themselves from
their parents sometimes and start to cling to their peers.
Speaker 11 (10:37):
They're preparing to.
Speaker 10 (10:38):
Leave home when they're seventeen, eighteen or nineteen. It's how
their brains are developing and growing. So that's why you
see them always wanting to play video games with other people,
or talk.
Speaker 9 (10:48):
On the phone with their friends, or look on social media.
Speaker 10 (10:52):
It's because their brains are programmed to do that. All
she wanted to do was say good night to her
little boyfriend. This is a twelve year old child who
was doing what twelve year olds do, and she was
from a normal family with a normal mother who was
going to have a sweet day with her the next day,
(11:13):
taking her daughter to work with her.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's this little girl steaks out of the house to
call the little boyfriend on her cell.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
She never makes it home.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Joining me an All Star panel, Corly Peel joining us
kp RC two.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Where was the mom working?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Why was little Joscelyn going with mom to work the
next morning?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
No, she didn't reveal that information as to exactly what
they were going to do the next day at work,
but she said they just came back from a vacation
in that weekend, so you know, she told her they
were going to get up early. It was going to
be a completely normal day for them.
Speaker 11 (11:52):
Essentially.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
You know, at summertime, she doesn't have school, so she
was just going to just tag along with her mom,
who worked the next day. But it was just a heartbreaking,
you know, situation to hear from her mother. She was
just you saw those tears streaming down her face as
she just plead for help, just disbelief as this could
(12:15):
happen to her twelve year old daughters. So again, like
we mentioned parents' worst nightmare, no one thinks that their
child's not going to be there when they wake up
in the morning.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
In the last Days a bizarre and nefarious twist in
the murder of a twelve year old little girl, Jocelyn Nungery.
In addition to claiming the life of this innocent little girl,
an American citizen on vacation in Costa Rica now makes
(12:57):
a startling and disturbing claim about one of Jocelyn's alleged attackers.
Franklin jose Pino dramas what happened to Jocelyn and what
does it have to do with an American tourist in
Costa Rica?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Lynn.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
When I read this story, I could barely contain myself.
Just twelve years old, I'm remembering my children at age twelve,
completely innocent, completely innocent, and this little girl all on
board to go to work with mommy the next morning,
never complaining great grades. You saw her playing I believe
(13:34):
a cello. I mean, there's just a perfect little girl.
And to end like this, this horrible death. When I
think of those two one with an ankle monitor on,
I mean a lot of times, Lynn, we don't allow
ourselves to think about the facts, the actual facts.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Of what happened.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
We hear, oh, okay, little girl found dead in a
creek under a bridge, and we stop right there.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
We don't follow that through that chain of thought.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
But these two animals lured this little girl away from
the seven to eleven where she was using her cell phone.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
They lure her to a bridge area.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I don't know when they started forcing her there or not,
but they're walking along with her like they're friends.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
They get her down under the.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Bridge, strip her, tie her up, I believe, rape her,
and then strangle her and throw her body into this
By you, I mean like she's.
Speaker 11 (14:45):
Trash, Lynn, Nancy, we work so hard with missing children,
sex traffic children, labor traffic children. This story came across
to me very early on, and I said, to myself.
I bet you it's very nefarious. I bet you it
has something to do with our open borders. Let's call
it what it is. I saw this story of a
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twelve year old and for me to get tears in
my eyes, I'm pretty hardened about all of this. I
am tired of this, Nancy. I am tired of everybody
making light of what's going on in America. We have
on any given day twenty three hundred children missing in
the United States. There is more to this story. I
believe what the work we do than we're hearing about.
(15:28):
First of all, I heard that she was with her
boyfriend and went to a restaurant to meet these two.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I heard that.
Speaker 11 (15:36):
Then I heard she was calling her boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Then I heard the.
Speaker 11 (15:40):
Houston mayor say she was raped. Then it was walked back.
Nobody else will say right now she was actually raped.
They said that is pending the sexual assault. Well, I
think when you are dumped in a creek with your
pants missing and there's all of this, somebody with that ankle,
I don't even call it an ankle bracelet. Why are
they he in the first place. Ankle bracelet? People's illegal.
(16:04):
They do not belong here. Kids have been jumping out
their windows and doors for years, sneaking out of the house. Nancy,
Why did she go out of the house? Was there
something she online that was happening? Was the boyfriend urging
her to meet him somewhere? We do not know, but
I want questions and I leave you with this. We
have alarms now when somebody breaks in a home or
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a business. I'm calling for alarms when kids, anybody is
breaking out. We live in a society now we have
to step up. This is the reality, dark and ugly.
If a child's trying to leave a home, an alarm
will go off on a window or door. This is
what we're faced with today.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
A twelve year old little girl is lured away by two.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Adult males that we now are two.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Non citizen migrants aka illegal aliens, one still wearing an
ankle monitor lord under a bridge. She's found stripped, bound
and dead, strangled dead, then thrown into the water. Joining
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me Michael Yvonnees, former Houston Police homicide detective, now pi
at why two investigations? Michael, thank you for being with us.
You know Lenna's right. No one will say they rate
the little girl. Then why were her pants off. Why
was she stripped? Why was she bound? Why are cops
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saying this much that she was held under the bridge
for two hours at least?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Why? Why?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Why all those circumstances if she was not sex assaulted
and then murdered, Can you imagine this child begging to
go back home to mommy in the middle of the night,
begging for them to leave her alone, begging to live,
and they strangled or anyway, can you imagine that that's
what happened.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
That is what happened to Michael.
Speaker 12 (18:06):
Of course, Nancy, all those signs are indicative of sexual assault.
And you and I and common sense people, we probably
know that the police are being cautious and what they
tell you and what they released to the public to
preserve their investigation. They're trying to preserve it for court,
and they don't want to They don't want to make
any statement that might upset this case. Further down the road.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Back to special guests joining us. Courley Peel, investigative reporter
tp r C two. Courly, what do we know about
these two guys? I want to talk about them.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, well, we've learned that they are originally from Venezuela,
They've been living in Houston for about a month. That's
according to neighbors who live at the apartment complex where
they were arrested.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
We don't know a whole.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Lot right now, but we do know that they were
stopped by border patrol. I Am martine As was stomped
I believe back in March near al Paso, and the
other man was stomped in May. So still a lot
to unpack here about their background, but we do know
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that they were here in the US illegally.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
This is what more we are learning incredible police work.
I don't know if you recall Jennifer Dulos, the missing
Connecticut mom of five. Her body has never been found,
but due to a copious amount of blood in her garage,
it has been determined that her husband, Votus Dulos, and
his girlfriend, his mistress, Michelle Traconis, had a hand in
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her death.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
He murdered her.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
This mother of five goes missing, and what the local
police do, in conjunction with others, is they put together
a montage, okay, like a real a demo reel, okay,
and they follow the perp or the through red light
(20:02):
cams through I remember and Jennifer Dulos. There was a
public bus that opened its doors and you see the
husband photos of dula Is driving by in somebody else's car.
To get it detailed because Jennifer's DNA is all over it,
they use traffic cams, tag grabbers, anything, toll bridges, anything
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with a camera, home security cam, and they put together
a timeline in video and I believe that is what
the police very wisely did here.
Speaker 13 (20:37):
Listen, our team has worked tirelessly tracking evidence in this
case since the discovery of Joscelyn by a citizen on
the morning of June seventeenth, twenty twenty four, because of
the assistance of the area community. A surveillance video that
our officers have tirelessly tracked down and other evidence heary pieces.
We have found and learned that the suspects began their
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evening at a Northborough area restaurant together. They left that
restaurant on foot southbound.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And more of what we know about the two defendants
now charged with capital martyr of a twelve year old
little girl, their movements.
Speaker 13 (21:17):
Listen, the suspects continued south and we're first seen on
a camera and those are the images that we released
to you, to all of you and to the public.
Suspects seen meeting the victim and talking for a few
minutes while they were on Kirkandaal. Later, the suspects and
the victim walked together to a convenience store, and those
images were also released to you guys in the public.
(21:40):
After a few minutes, all three together walked to a bridge,
where ultimately Joscelyn was murdered. Suspects continue south towards their
residence after leaving Joscelyn there.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Oh, they're totally busted.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
They are following them through veryous surveillance videos. They'll probably
bring in cell phone pings, all sorts of digital proof
to show it's these two guys that took Jocelyn then
forced her down under a bridge, very reminiscent of the
two little girls in Delphi forced under a trestle bridge. Now,
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who sees this little girl at the seven eleven. All
she's doing is thinking out to call her a little
boyfriend on her cell phone, so mommy won't hear. Who
sees this girl and thinks, hey, I'm going to rape
her and murder her. Nobody except these two. I was
asking you earlier, what do we know about these guys.
We know that they are Jose Roguel Martinez and Franklin
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Jose Pinna Ramos, and they are both here illegally.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Ramos discovered crossing.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
The border with a large group of migrants, given a
notice to appear in San Antonio court August twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
What he immediately disappears?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So Ebara placed on a program, a ankle monitor program.
He immediately cut off that monitor and disappeared April twenty
twenty three. Yeah, that's who's here. Both of them just
disappear into the wind. We know a fifty three thousand
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to have disappeared under similar circumstances.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Where are they? Maybe in your backyard?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Joining me now is a renowned chief medical examiner out
of Terrance County.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
That's Fort Worth.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Never lack of business there, Doctor Kendall Crowns, who has
performed thousands of autopsies, including on children. Lecturer at the
Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank
you for being with us. Explain to me how an
autopsy on this twelve year old little girl?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
What do you do?
Speaker 14 (23:58):
So in a case strangulation you would still follow the
same procedures of an autopsy that you usually do an
external examination, making note any mark, scars, or tattoos evidence
of injury. Then an internal examination is performed where a
Y shaped decision is made and each organ is removed
and dissected. But then a layered neck dissection will be
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done where each layer of the muscles of the neck
are peeled back looking for injuries. And then the throat
structures will be exposed, removed and evaluated. So looking at
the highway bone, which is this U shaped bone in
your neck that can be broken in strangulation, and the
thyroid cartilage which is a structure right above your windpipe
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that also is often broken in strangulation cases.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
How will you determine, doctor Kendall Crowns, whether or not
the little girl had been raped.
Speaker 14 (24:51):
So an evaluation of her genitalia will be done looking
at her vagina in anal orifices or the areas around it,
looking for continu jis, abrasions, tears of bruises, that type
of injury. You can usually find that in rape cases.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
You surveillan shows twelve year old Jocelyn with two unknown
men at a convenience store in the dead of the.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Night, and even now online trolls are attacking the mom
and the little girl. This twelve year old little girl
was doing nothing more than sneaking a cell phone call
to her little thirteen year old boyfriend at the nearby
seven to eleven, and she ends up dead, stripped, strangled,
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and thrown into the water.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Renounced like o analyst out of la Doctor Bethany, what
does the treatment of this little girl mean to you
as it relates to the minds of the two perpetrators.
Speaker 10 (25:51):
Well, for one, I think she had three factors that
they were looking for. Availability, vulnerability, and desirability. She's such
acute little girl. She's vulnerable, they can have their way
with her. Nancy, And I think these guys wanted to
have power and control over a female.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
They were full of rage and nancy. They may have
done this before. I mean, these two guys are.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
Acting in concert to terrorize, rape and do whatever they
want to do. Remember John Lee Malvo obviously, John Alvin
and John Allen Muhammad were they They worked in concert
to terrorize the DC area. They were full of rage.
They came from another country. They wanted to come up
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against unsuspecting victims. I was thinking about that with these two,
especially since they have a gang history, Like what were
they really planning and that area that they had moved into,
did they want to pray on other unsuspecting victims or
were they hatching some plot? But definitely they chose this
little girl because she's tiny, she's vulnerable.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
They could have their way with her.
Speaker 10 (26:58):
These monsters, they're not going to come up against peers
or somebody more powerful than them. Imagine what happens when
they have to come up against the police or now
they're being questioned or they have to answer to investigators.
These guys are cowards, deep down, homicidal cowards who only
wanted their way with a little girl.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
It is so terrible and tragic.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
You know another thing, Doctor Bethany Marshall, is these two
we now know thanks to local police and especially that
detective Steven Hope. You were hearing earlier that these two
went out and were spotted at a restaurant and they're
called on surveillance video at a restaurant having dinner. It's
almost like they go out for dinner in a movie
and they use up the little girl and just throw
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her away like that throw a popcorn down at the AMC.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
That's how she's treated, Nancy.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
These animals have no regard for life.
Speaker 10 (27:51):
And when I heard about the restaurant, I was thinking,
were they just sitting ordering hamburgers and French fries and
talking about who they're going to murder? Not be surprised
if they were stirring it up and actually stimulating each other,
because we know even with criminals who get out of jail,
sometimes they emerge more frustrated and more ready to offend
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because of their incarceration experiences. And these guys have been roaming,
you know, they go over the border there and they
interact with law enforcement. It's almost like there's this hatred
in vindictiveness building up inside of them, this sense that
the world is against them, that they have to assert
power somewhere.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
And remember, it's rumored that they have a.
Speaker 10 (28:37):
Criminal background, a gain background, which tells me that they've
been in an environment where there's socially sanctioned sociopathy, so
that not only are they criminals, sadists, rapists on their own,
but they've been a part of a society where men
do this kind of thing, Nancy. So this becomes a
perfect storm, which is the reason why they should not
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have been here, because we don't really have this in
our country, where it's a perfect storm of men who
are misogynists, who hate women, who want to rape, torture
and kill just because everybody else thinks it's okay, and
they're stirring each.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Other up, you know, Lynn Shaw with me, founder of
Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending mistreatment of children. Lynn, I'm
just thinking about the way they soak, callously throw her
body and that buy you we've shown you and just
walk away, probably laughing, and the image which police have
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given me because they're spotted on video at a restaurant
having a great time and then they leave and like
I was telling doctor Bethany, like going to dinner in
a movie for the rest of us, that's a big
night out, and instead they go for dinner and then
they go get this little girl and they're stoking each
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other as they go.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Very often people will do things as a group that
they wouldn't do on their own.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But these two are like minded. And I've given this
example before, Lynn Shaw. If you're out for a walk
on a nature trailer in a park and you see
a little rabbit go by, I bet your first instinct
is to maybe pet it or feed it, where other
instincts would be to grab it and tear it's neck
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out and eat it. A predator. And when they saw
this little girl, can you imagine all the glances the
two of them exchanged.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
With each other.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
They knew what they were going to do as they
walked to that bridge, as they forced her to go
under the bridge. At any point they could have stopped Lynn,
but they didn't. They went so far as to tie
her up, strip her under that bridge, I believe, rape her,
and then strangle her, most likely manually.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
With their own hands, and then.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
To top it off, throw her into the water like
SEUs trass Land Nancy.
Speaker 11 (31:05):
Doctor Bethany hit the nail on the head the way
she described the mindset we work with law enforcement. These
criminal members of this gang from Venezuela, it's called trendy Arragua.
They have no regard for life at all. I don't
even want to compare them to animals. That is too kind.
I don't want to put that on animals.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
They will.
Speaker 11 (31:26):
They have no regard for girls and women in particular.
They take what they want. I don't even know if
they planned this. They just saw her. She's a slight
little girl. They may have asked her directions I read
and she said, okay, I'll show you this way. They
lured her somehow and they just had the opportunity. I
want to repeat, these people are not here legally. They
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have we work extensively with law enforcement. They have no
regard for women and girls. They think that they are
just property. They're to be raped, robbed, beaten. And I'm
not understanding why all this is allowed allowed to go on.
We know all this, we know what is going on.
These are called also ghost criminals. They may come and
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have an ankle monitor. They're cutting them off. Nobody's following
up and doing further vetting, and they're disappearing all our country.
And I guarantee you, I guarantee you. This is my opinion.
They have done this before. They have raped and robbed
women before, and perhaps even murdered.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yes, Michael Vanna is joining US former Houston Police homicide
detective now PI owner of y two investigations.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Michael, this is not their first crime. And I don't
mean stealing a.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Car or joey riding or a theft by shoplifting or
smoking a joint. No, no, no, there's a big leap
between any of those crimes and kidnapping a little girl,
forcing her under that bridge, raping and murdering her. Oh no, no, no, no,
this is by far not their first violent crime.
Speaker 12 (33:03):
Nancy, I don't think. I think you're going to find
in the investigation that they probably have a DNA link
to other crimes here in the Houston area or around
the country. Who knows, But let me tell you this, Nancy.
I know Houston Police Chief Saturn White personally, I know
the lead homicide investigator personally. These two men are bloodhounds,
and with their experience, they're not going to let this
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case go away. They're gonna even though they've been arrested
in charge, the investigation is just beginning. They have to
go and confirm and reconfirm every bit of information that
they've followed on that digital trail, on the eyewitnesses, on
the medical examiners report. They have to completely completely put
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a case together to make sure these animals do not
get out, absolutely, and they're.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, we are now learning an
American woman claims she was brutally sex attacked by one
of the two men that allegedly murdered twelve year old Joscelyn.
This guy has left a wake of pain behind him.
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How many other victims could there be? But what we
do know is the state says it's got an ironclad
case against the two men that lured a twelve year
old little girl under a bridge, assaulted her for hours,
and left her dead body in a by you.
Speaker 8 (34:35):
Listen, Investigators determine the two men lure her into going
under the bridge on West Rankin Road, keeping Joscelyn for
over two hours, they take her pants off and tie
her up. Joscelyn dies from strangulation before she is thrown
into the byu where her body is found. After throwing
the body into the bayou, Ramos and Martinez are seen
walking back toward the apartment they share. Police believe the
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pair live in the same apartment complex as Jocelyn. Nungery.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Just strolling back. They're on video, just strolling back.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It reminds me of the guy that murdered Rachel Morin.
According to the DNA found on her body, he attacked
a nine year old little girl in La before he
murdered Rachel In. Bel air Maryland based on DNA. And
he didn't even run from the scene. He's caught on
a door cam in La he just walks out without
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a shirt on and just walks away like, hey, you
know that was nothing, no big deal. I mean, doctor
Bethany Marshall, I don't think you're getting my question. The
way they threw away the little girl like she was
a chewing gum wrapper. Just throw her away after that,
Just throw her body, half stripped, tied up, strangled, just
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throw her in the water, and now we know, casually
walk off. I'm telling you, this was no more than
they have going to the movie and having dinner. That
was it.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
This was nothing to them.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
And they casually stroll back to their apartment.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
They don't even run nothing.
Speaker 9 (36:12):
No, no, no.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
Several things about this story bothered me so much. This
little girl, Joscelyn, grew up with a mother and in
this society, in a neighborhood where she was taught that
the world is a safe place. Unlike Venezuela, Unlike Haiti,
where the two missionary kids, David and Natalie were just
murdered by gang violence. There are certain societies Nancy where
homicide is socially sanctioned, where it's rampant, where people do
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feel that this is what society has come to. And
when those societies infiltrate our society, our kids, who believe
that the world is a safe place continue doing what
they normally do, not realizing that there are predators around them.
And then the other thing that's strolling back to their apartment, Nancy,
they strangled her. And that means that they were looking
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into the eyes and into the face of a twelve
year old little girl, watching her struggle, taking delight, taking pleasure.
I mean, if you really just soak that in, Who
does that to a twelve year old who rapes a
twelve year old who may not even know about sex yet.
I mean the intrusion into this little girl of the
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most horrifying, unimaginable circumstances for which she was completely unprepared
and not even knowing what to do. And Nancy, Yeah,
they just tossed her into the river. It's beyond disregard
for human life. It's sadism, it's thrill, it's hatred, it's
wanting to undermine the youth and beauty of such a
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beautiful member of our society.
Speaker 9 (37:46):
It's really horrible.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
When I first started prosecuting violent crimes, the judge would
instruct a jury if the evidence supported it.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
On flight as in Disha of guilt.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Now and most jurisdictions, the judge doesn't instruct a jury
that flight can be used as an indication of guilt,
but the prosecutor can still argue it.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
And in this case, you want to tell me they
didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Because when HPD Houston PD shows up at the apartment
complex where these two illegals live and they get a bullhorn,
a loud speaker and they order the men to come out,
what do they do. One of the guys tries to
jump off a balcony for a m but wisely, Houston
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PD and this detective is really something else.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
It's Stephen Hope.
Speaker 9 (38:43):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
They have the whole place surrounded.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
There you go jumping off a balcony to Crawley Bill
joining US investigative reporter kPr C too. They're in Houston, really,
I mean, if the cottonknocks on your door, do you
try to run out in the back and jump off
a balcony.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
And it was really interesting because we were out there
that morning. We didn't see that time of the rest
just afterwards when they were placed in handcuffs. But a
lot of the neighbors out there told me that they
didn't really interact with those men too much. They'd only
lived at that apartment complex for maybe a month two months.
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I think the only time they really saw them out
was a barbecue that happened a couple weeks prior. But
they didn't have many details about, you know, what those
men were like or if they seemed suspicious at all.
So definitely concerning if they're trying to run from police.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
They took away my first born. A mom pleads for
killers to be brought to justice after her twelve year
old daughter's slaying.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Now we know the two men that have been arrested
in the rape and murder of a twelve year old
little Houston girl, Jocelyn secretly and nefariously came into our
country to.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Do nothing but rek have it. They were not.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Here, according to the Statue of Liberty, seeking a new life.
They came here to continue a life of violent crime.
And it's not the first time does the name lacan
Riley ring a bell, because I'll never forget the name.
Speaker 8 (40:28):
Listen in Athens, Georgia. Nursing student Lake and Riley is
late returning from a jog at the University of Georgia
campus and a roommate becomes concerned surging the area she
would jog. Her body is found in a coney forest
park near Lake Herrick. Riley's body is found covered in
brush and she's been killed by blood, forced trauma, and asphyxiation.
A sketch of a possible person of interest leads investigators
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to Jose Antonio Ibarra. Ibarra is from Venezuela, entered the
USA illegally with a fake wife, was sent to New York,
left his fake wife, and ended up in Athens, Georgia
with his brother. Ibra now facing murder charges in the
killing of Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
His fake wife. And what about Elizabeth Medina.
Speaker 8 (41:08):
When high school cheerleader Lizabeth Medina doesn't join her team
for the Christmas parade, her mother races home to see why.
In the bathroom, Jackala Medina finds her daughter in the bathtub, dead,
stabbed to death. Police tracks suspicious activity on Lizabeth's missing
cell phone, leading them to Rafael Govea Romero twenty three
illegally in the United States of America from Mexico. Investigators
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determined he's been stalking Lizabeth Medina and was on probation
at the time of her murder, and.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Then he stabs her dead, and Mommy has to find
her daughter dead in the bathtub when she's supposed to
be in a Christmas parade.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
That's how she found out.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Mommy races for more to see her daughter in the parade,
not wanting to miss a thing, and the daughter's not there,
so she races home to find her daughter dead. When
will it end? I can't control what Congress is doing,
you know. That's like yelling out the window on Third Avenue.
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But what I can do is ask for help in
this case to make sure these two are convicted.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Seven one, three, three zero eight three six hundred.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Another heartbreaking twist in the case of the murder of
twelve year old Jocelyn Nungary, who allegedly was brutalized and
murdered at the hands of two illegal migrants. Now a
woman has come forward swearing she was raped by one
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of the purpose when she was on vacation in Costa Rica. Coincidentally,
when Ramos was making his way from South America.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Up to the US. Did he go through Costa Rica?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Can we prove this?
Speaker 1 (42:57):
What do we know about Jocelyn's case.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
We're never going to get justice for this American woman
out of Costa Rica, but we can get justice in
the US.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
We wait as justice unfolds.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
In the Last Days, a bizarre twist in the migrant
murder of a little twelve year old girl, Jocelyn Nungary.
This emerging after a claim of a brutal rape by
an American woman on vacation. What does that have to
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do with twelve year old Jocelyn? I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. We
will never forget the murder of a beautiful little girl,
Jocelyn Nungry, just twelve years old.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Last summer.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Suspects in her devastating murder were revealed to be illegal immigrants,
migrants who entered our country illegally just months before. It
was Franklin Jose Piinorramos twenty six and Johann Jose Martinez
Rangel twenty two, who allegedly lured the little girl underneath
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a bridge, sex assaulted her for hours, then murdering her
and leaving her strangled body in the bayou near the bridge.
In the last Days, an American woman who had been
vacationing in Costa Rica tells authorities she was raped Franklin
(01:30):
Jose Pina Ramos. According to the witness, the attack occurred
in Central America just before Nungary was murdered on June seventeen. Now,
that was as Pina was en routed to the US
from South America. Now, the woman went to Costa Rican
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authorities after she was attacked, but she was ignored. Now,
this is according to Kim Ogg, who was District attorney
in Houston until January. Ogg says when the victim reported
it to authorities in Costa Rica, they did absolutely nothing.
Ogg says when she learned about the Costa Rican victim
last year, she immediately decided to seek the death penalty
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for both men in Jocelyn's case. What exactly happened in
Jocelyn's case? Jocelyn, just twelve years old, lured from a
local seven to eleven, found strangled and unclothed, tied up
in a creek.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
The chief, we're here to share some very horrible news.
Someone has taken one of our innocent children, promised today.
A twelve year old little girl found her this morning,
and we believe somebody did this horrible thing to her,
and we are here to ask for your help.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I'm like angry that the advantage of her.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
She's so young, so you'd take my baby away.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Now I get too, little brother Noles to say that.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
We can hold that emotional video of Jocen's mother from
our friends Akhou.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It all started when we heard this.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
Listen to find out if anybody knows anything, anybody saw anything,
anybody can share that information so we can figure out
what happened to her exactly, and we can find whoever
did this and get them off the street.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I've talked to this child, to mother. Of course, she
is devastated, her family is devastating. Her little girl is gone.
So we need your help.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
This little girl goes to bed. My mommy goes to bed,
a twelve year old little girl, Jocelyn. Then she sneaks
out for what to go about a block to the
seven to eleven and call her little boyfriend. That's it,
just a phone call. She never came home. This is
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what more we know.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
I'm going to talk to you about an incident that
happened around six am this morning. A citizen called nine
to one one regarding a body seen in the shallow
water of the Bayou and your four hundred West Brancolin
Road in the Houston's North Beelt area. Houston's Homicide Division
along with the assistants of the Houston Department's dive team
in the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, we're able to
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recover that body out of the shallow water. There. Harris
County's Medical Examiner's Office is completing an official identification of
the victim.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
That little twelve year old girl has been murdered and
we believe raped by who. According to police, two illegal
immigrants also known as no on citizen migrants, one of
them allegedly cutting off his ankle monitor after the murder.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
That's right, let that sink in.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
One of them cutting off his criminal ankle monitor after
the twelve year old little girl is murdered.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So at the time, this little girl.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Is stripped, tied up, kept under a bridge, being tortured
for two hours, lured away.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
From that payphone by these two.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
There's no other way to say it, animals, he's wearing
an ankle monitor. He's already committed a crime. There she is,
thinking she's on a real adventure, sneaking to a payphone
to call her a little thirteen year old.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Boyfriend to say good night.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
In the background, the little boyfriend, here's adult voice, two
adult voices who walks up to a little twelve year
old girl, lures her away, only to rape and strangle her,
or strip her under a bridge and tie her up
and then throw her half clothed body into a creek.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
These two, that's who, why are they even here?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Joining me in All Star panel to makes sense of
what we know right now?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
But have any of you had it with.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Violent crime, especially on children, much less by illegal immigrants
that are not supposed to be here anyway?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Why why are they here?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Why are they lurking around unapprehended? And now this little
girl is dead again? Joining me in All Star panel,
but first to Coray Peel investigative reporter kp RC two
in Houston.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Thank you for being with us. Corly, start at the beginning.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
This tragic story starts when Alexis Nungray tucked her twelve
year old daughter Alexis in bed Sunday night. Last Sunday.
She was expected to go to work with her mother
the next morning, so she said everything was normal, nothing
seemed unusual.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
She went to.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Bed around ten o'clock that night, and the next morning
she realized that her daughter was missing. So she gets
in her car. She drives around the neighborhood looking for her.
She starts pinging her daughter's phone, and when she pings
her phone, it takes her to the creek where she
sees a crime scene and detectives Corly Peel.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That is every appearance worse nightmare, because when I can't
find the twins, my children, I just go look at
Life thirty sixty and I see where they are, and
they're where they're supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And I'm just imagining this mom. And it was.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Really early in the morning, and Jocelyn, the twelve year
old little girl, was going with mommy to work that morning,
and mommy told her that just before they went to
bid go to bed, go to bed, you got to
get up early because you're going to work with.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Me and mommy goes to sleep. This is what we know. Listen.
Speaker 8 (08:13):
Joscelyn Nungary is a helpful, bright, funny girl. At twelve
years old, she helps her mother with her little brother
and at school, she's one of the most popular. On
Sunday night, Jocelyn's mother, Alexis Nungary, reminds her not to
stay up too late, as Jocelyn is going to work
with her in the morning. Alexis tells Joscelyn good night
at ten pm and turns in for the night herself.
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A little after ten pm, when she is certain her
mother is asleep, Joscelyn sneaks out of the house and
goes to a local convenience store. It's around midnight when
she calls her thirteen year old boyfriend, who says he
hears Jocelyn talking to some adults before he hangs up
the phone.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Joining me, Doctor Bethany Marshall Reronow psychoanalyst, joining us from LA.
You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
Doctor Bethany, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
You know, I've.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Actually heard people horrible, people attacking the little girl and
the mom. It was a couple of blocks away. For
what is she out dealing drugs? Is she out horing around?
Is she out joy riding, stealing a car, vandalizing, doing pot,
doing anything wrong? No, she goes to call and say
good night to the little boyfriend who's just thirteen and
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he's at home with his parents. That's it, and some
people have actually vilified it.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
You know, a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Not me, because I was afraid that I wasn't afraid
of what my parents would do to me.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I was afraid they'd be disappointed in me.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I never snuck out, but I can't say the same
for my brother and sister or anybody else I know
that didn't sneak out and do something and actually get
back in without getting caught.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
But I hate that, Bethany.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Will people do anything, come up with anything, fabricate anything
to blame a victim. I think I know why they
do it, because it isolates them from a crime like
that'll never happen to me and my child. But this
is a twelve year old little girl who was about
to get up at the crack of dawn to go
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with mommy to work.
Speaker 9 (10:12):
Nancy.
Speaker 10 (10:13):
People are saying all kinds of horrible things, like why
did the mother go to bed before her daughter went
to bed, Why did the little girl sleep sneak out
of the window, Why did she have a boyfriend?
Speaker 9 (10:22):
To put this in context, Nancy, by the.
Speaker 10 (10:25):
Time children are twelve years old, they are beginning a
developmental trajectory where they will start to distance themselves from
their parents sometimes and start to cling to their peers.
Speaker 11 (10:37):
They're preparing to.
Speaker 10 (10:38):
Leave home when they're seventeen, eighteen or nineteen. It's how
their brains are developing and growing. So that's why you
see them always wanting to play video games with other people,
or talk.
Speaker 9 (10:48):
On the phone with their friends, or look on social media.
Speaker 10 (10:52):
It's because their brains are programmed to do that. All
she wanted to do was say good night to her
little boyfriend. This is a twelve year old child who
was doing what twelve year olds do, and she was
from a normal family with a normal mother who was
going to have a sweet day with her the next day,
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taking her daughter to work with her.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's this little girl steaks out of the house to
call the little boyfriend on her cell.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
She never makes it home.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Joining me an All Star panel, Corly Peel joining us
kp RC two.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Where was the mom working?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Why was little Joscelyn going with mom to work the
next morning?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
No, she didn't reveal that information as to exactly what
they were going to do the next day at work,
but she said they just came back from a vacation
in that weekend, so you know, she told her they
were going to get up early. It was going to
be a completely normal day for them.
Speaker 11 (11:52):
Essentially.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
You know, at summertime, she doesn't have school, so she
was just going to just tag along with her mom,
who worked the next day. But it was just a heartbreaking,
you know, situation to hear from her mother. She was
just you saw those tears streaming down her face as
she just plead for help, just disbelief as this could
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happen to her twelve year old daughters. So again, like
we mentioned parents' worst nightmare, no one thinks that their
child's not going to be there when they wake up
in the morning.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
In the last Days a bizarre and nefarious twist in
the murder of a twelve year old little girl, Jocelyn Nungery.
In addition to claiming the life of this innocent little girl,
an American citizen on vacation in Costa Rica now makes
(12:57):
a startling and disturbing claim about one of Jocelyn's alleged attackers.
Franklin jose Pino dramas what happened to Jocelyn and what
does it have to do with an American tourist in
Costa Rica?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Lynn.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
When I read this story, I could barely contain myself.
Just twelve years old, I'm remembering my children at age twelve,
completely innocent, completely innocent, and this little girl all on
board to go to work with mommy the next morning,
never complaining great grades. You saw her playing I believe
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a cello. I mean, there's just a perfect little girl.
And to end like this, this horrible death. When I
think of those two one with an ankle monitor on,
I mean a lot of times, Lynn, we don't allow
ourselves to think about the facts, the actual facts.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Of what happened.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
We hear, oh, okay, little girl found dead in a
creek under a bridge, and we stop right there.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
We don't follow that through that chain of thought.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
But these two animals lured this little girl away from
the seven to eleven where she was using her cell phone.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
They lure her to a bridge area.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I don't know when they started forcing her there or not,
but they're walking along with her like they're friends.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
They get her down under the.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Bridge, strip her, tie her up, I believe, rape her,
and then strangle her and throw her body into this
By you, I mean like she's.
Speaker 11 (14:45):
Trash, Lynn, Nancy, we work so hard with missing children,
sex traffic children, labor traffic children. This story came across
to me very early on, and I said, to myself.
I bet you it's very nefarious. I bet you it
has something to do with our open borders. Let's call
it what it is. I saw this story of a
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twelve year old and for me to get tears in
my eyes, I'm pretty hardened about all of this. I
am tired of this, Nancy. I am tired of everybody
making light of what's going on in America. We have
on any given day twenty three hundred children missing in
the United States. There is more to this story. I
believe what the work we do than we're hearing about.
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First of all, I heard that she was with her
boyfriend and went to a restaurant to meet these two.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I heard that.
Speaker 11 (15:36):
Then I heard she was calling her boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Then I heard the.
Speaker 11 (15:40):
Houston mayor say she was raped. Then it was walked back.
Nobody else will say right now she was actually raped.
They said that is pending the sexual assault. Well, I
think when you are dumped in a creek with your
pants missing and there's all of this, somebody with that ankle,
I don't even call it an ankle bracelet. Why are
they he in the first place. Ankle bracelet? People's illegal.
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They do not belong here. Kids have been jumping out
their windows and doors for years, sneaking out of the house. Nancy,
Why did she go out of the house? Was there
something she online that was happening? Was the boyfriend urging
her to meet him somewhere? We do not know, but
I want questions and I leave you with this. We
have alarms now when somebody breaks in a home or
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a business. I'm calling for alarms when kids, anybody is
breaking out. We live in a society now we have
to step up. This is the reality, dark and ugly.
If a child's trying to leave a home, an alarm
will go off on a window or door. This is
what we're faced with today.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
A twelve year old little girl is lured away by two.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Adult males that we now are two.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Non citizen migrants aka illegal aliens, one still wearing an
ankle monitor lord under a bridge. She's found stripped, bound
and dead, strangled dead, then thrown into the water. Joining
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me Michael Yvonnees, former Houston Police homicide detective, now pi
at why two investigations? Michael, thank you for being with us.
You know Lenna's right. No one will say they rate
the little girl. Then why were her pants off. Why
was she stripped? Why was she bound? Why are cops
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saying this much that she was held under the bridge
for two hours at least?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Why? Why?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Why all those circumstances if she was not sex assaulted
and then murdered, Can you imagine this child begging to
go back home to mommy in the middle of the night,
begging for them to leave her alone, begging to live,
and they strangled or anyway, can you imagine that that's
what happened.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
That is what happened to Michael.
Speaker 12 (18:06):
Of course, Nancy, all those signs are indicative of sexual assault.
And you and I and common sense people, we probably
know that the police are being cautious and what they
tell you and what they released to the public to
preserve their investigation. They're trying to preserve it for court,
and they don't want to They don't want to make
any statement that might upset this case. Further down the road.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Back to special guests joining us. Courley Peel, investigative reporter
tp r C two. Courly, what do we know about
these two guys? I want to talk about them.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, well, we've learned that they are originally from Venezuela,
They've been living in Houston for about a month. That's
according to neighbors who live at the apartment complex where
they were arrested.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
We don't know a whole.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Lot right now, but we do know that they were
stopped by border patrol. I Am martine As was stomped
I believe back in March near al Paso, and the
other man was stomped in May. So still a lot
to unpack here about their background, but we do know
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that they were here in the US illegally.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
This is what more we are learning incredible police work.
I don't know if you recall Jennifer Dulos, the missing
Connecticut mom of five. Her body has never been found,
but due to a copious amount of blood in her garage,
it has been determined that her husband, Votus Dulos, and
his girlfriend, his mistress, Michelle Traconis, had a hand in
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her death.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
He murdered her.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
This mother of five goes missing, and what the local
police do, in conjunction with others, is they put together
a montage, okay, like a real a demo reel, okay,
and they follow the perp or the through red light
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cams through I remember and Jennifer Dulos. There was a
public bus that opened its doors and you see the
husband photos of dula Is driving by in somebody else's car.
To get it detailed because Jennifer's DNA is all over it,
they use traffic cams, tag grabbers, anything, toll bridges, anything
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with a camera, home security cam, and they put together
a timeline in video and I believe that is what
the police very wisely did here.
Speaker 13 (20:37):
Listen, our team has worked tirelessly tracking evidence in this
case since the discovery of Joscelyn by a citizen on
the morning of June seventeenth, twenty twenty four, because of
the assistance of the area community. A surveillance video that
our officers have tirelessly tracked down and other evidence heary pieces.
We have found and learned that the suspects began their
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evening at a Northborough area restaurant together. They left that
restaurant on foot southbound.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
And more of what we know about the two defendants
now charged with capital martyr of a twelve year old
little girl, their movements.
Speaker 13 (21:17):
Listen, the suspects continued south and we're first seen on
a camera and those are the images that we released
to you, to all of you and to the public.
Suspects seen meeting the victim and talking for a few
minutes while they were on Kirkandaal. Later, the suspects and
the victim walked together to a convenience store, and those
images were also released to you guys in the public.
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After a few minutes, all three together walked to a bridge,
where ultimately Joscelyn was murdered. Suspects continue south towards their
residence after leaving Joscelyn there.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Oh, they're totally busted.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
They are following them through veryous surveillance videos. They'll probably
bring in cell phone pings, all sorts of digital proof
to show it's these two guys that took Jocelyn then
forced her down under a bridge, very reminiscent of the
two little girls in Delphi forced under a trestle bridge. Now,
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who sees this little girl at the seven eleven. All
she's doing is thinking out to call her a little
boyfriend on her cell phone, so mommy won't hear. Who
sees this girl and thinks, hey, I'm going to rape
her and murder her. Nobody except these two. I was
asking you earlier, what do we know about these guys.
We know that they are Jose Roguel Martinez and Franklin
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Jose Pinna Ramos, and they are both here illegally.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Ramos discovered crossing.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
The border with a large group of migrants, given a
notice to appear in San Antonio court August twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
What he immediately disappears?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So Ebara placed on a program, a ankle monitor program.
He immediately cut off that monitor and disappeared April twenty
twenty three. Yeah, that's who's here. Both of them just
disappear into the wind. We know a fifty three thousand
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to have disappeared under similar circumstances.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Where are they? Maybe in your backyard?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Joining me now is a renowned chief medical examiner out
of Terrance County.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
That's Fort Worth.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Never lack of business there, Doctor Kendall Crowns, who has
performed thousands of autopsies, including on children. Lecturer at the
Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank
you for being with us. Explain to me how an
autopsy on this twelve year old little girl?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
What do you do?
Speaker 14 (23:58):
So in a case strangulation you would still follow the
same procedures of an autopsy that you usually do an
external examination, making note any mark, scars, or tattoos evidence
of injury. Then an internal examination is performed where a
Y shaped decision is made and each organ is removed
and dissected. But then a layered neck dissection will be
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done where each layer of the muscles of the neck
are peeled back looking for injuries. And then the throat
structures will be exposed, removed and evaluated. So looking at
the highway bone, which is this U shaped bone in
your neck that can be broken in strangulation, and the
thyroid cartilage which is a structure right above your windpipe
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that also is often broken in strangulation cases.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
How will you determine, doctor Kendall Crowns, whether or not
the little girl had been raped.
Speaker 14 (24:51):
So an evaluation of her genitalia will be done looking
at her vagina in anal orifices or the areas around it,
looking for continu jis, abrasions, tears of bruises, that type
of injury. You can usually find that in rape cases.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
You surveillan shows twelve year old Jocelyn with two unknown
men at a convenience store in the dead of the.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Night, and even now online trolls are attacking the mom
and the little girl. This twelve year old little girl
was doing nothing more than sneaking a cell phone call
to her little thirteen year old boyfriend at the nearby
seven to eleven, and she ends up dead, stripped, strangled,
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and thrown into the water.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Renounced like o analyst out of la Doctor Bethany, what
does the treatment of this little girl mean to you
as it relates to the minds of the two perpetrators.
Speaker 10 (25:51):
Well, for one, I think she had three factors that
they were looking for. Availability, vulnerability, and desirability. She's such
acute little girl. She's vulnerable, they can have their way
with her. Nancy, And I think these guys wanted to
have power and control over a female.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
They were full of rage and nancy. They may have
done this before. I mean, these two guys are.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
Acting in concert to terrorize, rape and do whatever they
want to do. Remember John Lee Malvo obviously, John Alvin
and John Allen Muhammad were they They worked in concert
to terrorize the DC area. They were full of rage.
They came from another country. They wanted to come up
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against unsuspecting victims. I was thinking about that with these two,
especially since they have a gang history, Like what were
they really planning and that area that they had moved into,
did they want to pray on other unsuspecting victims or
were they hatching some plot? But definitely they chose this
little girl because she's tiny, she's vulnerable.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
They could have their way with her.
Speaker 10 (26:58):
These monsters, they're not going to come up against peers
or somebody more powerful than them. Imagine what happens when
they have to come up against the police or now
they're being questioned or they have to answer to investigators.
These guys are cowards, deep down, homicidal cowards who only
wanted their way with a little girl.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
It is so terrible and tragic.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
You know another thing, Doctor Bethany Marshall, is these two
we now know thanks to local police and especially that
detective Steven Hope. You were hearing earlier that these two
went out and were spotted at a restaurant and they're
called on surveillance video at a restaurant having dinner. It's
almost like they go out for dinner in a movie
and they use up the little girl and just throw
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her away like that throw a popcorn down at the AMC.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
That's how she's treated, Nancy.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
These animals have no regard for life.
Speaker 10 (27:51):
And when I heard about the restaurant, I was thinking,
were they just sitting ordering hamburgers and French fries and
talking about who they're going to murder? Not be surprised
if they were stirring it up and actually stimulating each other,
because we know even with criminals who get out of jail,
sometimes they emerge more frustrated and more ready to offend
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because of their incarceration experiences. And these guys have been roaming,
you know, they go over the border there and they
interact with law enforcement. It's almost like there's this hatred
in vindictiveness building up inside of them, this sense that
the world is against them, that they have to assert
power somewhere.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
And remember, it's rumored that they have a.
Speaker 10 (28:37):
Criminal background, a gain background, which tells me that they've
been in an environment where there's socially sanctioned sociopathy, so
that not only are they criminals, sadists, rapists on their own,
but they've been a part of a society where men
do this kind of thing, Nancy. So this becomes a
perfect storm, which is the reason why they should not
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have been here, because we don't really have this in
our country, where it's a perfect storm of men who
are misogynists, who hate women, who want to rape, torture
and kill just because everybody else thinks it's okay, and
they're stirring each.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Other up, you know, Lynn Shaw with me, founder of
Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending mistreatment of children. Lynn, I'm
just thinking about the way they soak, callously throw her
body and that buy you we've shown you and just
walk away, probably laughing, and the image which police have
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given me because they're spotted on video at a restaurant
having a great time and then they leave and like
I was telling doctor Bethany, like going to dinner in
a movie for the rest of us, that's a big
night out, and instead they go for dinner and then
they go get this little girl and they're stoking each
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other as they go.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Very often people will do things as a group that
they wouldn't do on their own.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But these two are like minded. And I've given this
example before, Lynn Shaw. If you're out for a walk
on a nature trailer in a park and you see
a little rabbit go by, I bet your first instinct
is to maybe pet it or feed it, where other
instincts would be to grab it and tear it's neck
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out and eat it. A predator. And when they saw
this little girl, can you imagine all the glances the
two of them exchanged.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
With each other.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
They knew what they were going to do as they
walked to that bridge, as they forced her to go
under the bridge. At any point they could have stopped Lynn,
but they didn't. They went so far as to tie
her up, strip her under that bridge, I believe, rape her,
and then strangle her, most likely manually.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
With their own hands, and then.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
To top it off, throw her into the water like
SEUs trass Land Nancy.
Speaker 11 (31:05):
Doctor Bethany hit the nail on the head the way
she described the mindset we work with law enforcement. These
criminal members of this gang from Venezuela, it's called trendy Arragua.
They have no regard for life at all. I don't
even want to compare them to animals. That is too kind.
I don't want to put that on animals.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
They will.
Speaker 11 (31:26):
They have no regard for girls and women in particular.
They take what they want. I don't even know if
they planned this. They just saw her. She's a slight
little girl. They may have asked her directions I read
and she said, okay, I'll show you this way. They
lured her somehow and they just had the opportunity. I
want to repeat, these people are not here legally. They
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have we work extensively with law enforcement. They have no
regard for women and girls. They think that they are
just property. They're to be raped, robbed, beaten. And I'm
not understanding why all this is allowed allowed to go on.
We know all this, we know what is going on.
These are called also ghost criminals. They may come and
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have an ankle monitor. They're cutting them off. Nobody's following
up and doing further vetting, and they're disappearing all our country.
And I guarantee you, I guarantee you. This is my opinion.
They have done this before. They have raped and robbed
women before, and perhaps even murdered.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yes, Michael Vanna is joining US former Houston Police homicide
detective now PI owner of y two investigations.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Michael, this is not their first crime. And I don't
mean stealing a.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Car or joey riding or a theft by shoplifting or
smoking a joint. No, no, no, there's a big leap
between any of those crimes and kidnapping a little girl,
forcing her under that bridge, raping and murdering her. Oh no, no, no, no,
this is by far not their first violent crime.
Speaker 12 (33:03):
Nancy, I don't think. I think you're going to find
in the investigation that they probably have a DNA link
to other crimes here in the Houston area or around
the country. Who knows, But let me tell you this, Nancy.
I know Houston Police Chief Saturn White personally, I know
the lead homicide investigator personally. These two men are bloodhounds,
and with their experience, they're not going to let this
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case go away. They're gonna even though they've been arrested
in charge, the investigation is just beginning. They have to
go and confirm and reconfirm every bit of information that
they've followed on that digital trail, on the eyewitnesses, on
the medical examiners report. They have to completely completely put
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a case together to make sure these animals do not
get out, absolutely, and they're.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, we are now learning an
American woman claims she was brutally sex attacked by one
of the two men that allegedly murdered twelve year old Joscelyn.
This guy has left a wake of pain behind him.
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How many other victims could there be? But what we
do know is the state says it's got an ironclad
case against the two men that lured a twelve year
old little girl under a bridge, assaulted her for hours,
and left her dead body in a by you.
Speaker 8 (34:35):
Listen, Investigators determine the two men lure her into going
under the bridge on West Rankin Road, keeping Joscelyn for
over two hours, they take her pants off and tie
her up. Joscelyn dies from strangulation before she is thrown
into the byu where her body is found. After throwing
the body into the bayou, Ramos and Martinez are seen
walking back toward the apartment they share. Police believe the
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pair live in the same apartment complex as Jocelyn. Nungery.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Just strolling back. They're on video, just strolling back.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It reminds me of the guy that murdered Rachel Morin.
According to the DNA found on her body, he attacked
a nine year old little girl in La before he
murdered Rachel In. Bel air Maryland based on DNA. And
he didn't even run from the scene. He's caught on
a door cam in La he just walks out without
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a shirt on and just walks away like, hey, you
know that was nothing, no big deal. I mean, doctor
Bethany Marshall, I don't think you're getting my question. The
way they threw away the little girl like she was
a chewing gum wrapper. Just throw her away after that,
Just throw her body, half stripped, tied up, strangled, just
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throw her in the water, and now we know, casually
walk off. I'm telling you, this was no more than
they have going to the movie and having dinner. That
was it.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
This was nothing to them.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
And they casually stroll back to their apartment.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
They don't even run nothing.
Speaker 9 (36:12):
No, no, no.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
Several things about this story bothered me so much. This
little girl, Joscelyn, grew up with a mother and in
this society, in a neighborhood where she was taught that
the world is a safe place. Unlike Venezuela, Unlike Haiti,
where the two missionary kids, David and Natalie were just
murdered by gang violence. There are certain societies Nancy where
homicide is socially sanctioned, where it's rampant, where people do
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feel that this is what society has come to. And
when those societies infiltrate our society, our kids, who believe
that the world is a safe place continue doing what
they normally do, not realizing that there are predators around them.
And then the other thing that's strolling back to their apartment, Nancy,
they strangled her. And that means that they were looking
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into the eyes and into the face of a twelve
year old little girl, watching her struggle, taking delight, taking pleasure.
I mean, if you really just soak that in, Who
does that to a twelve year old who rapes a
twelve year old who may not even know about sex yet.
I mean the intrusion into this little girl of the
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most horrifying, unimaginable circumstances for which she was completely unprepared
and not even knowing what to do. And Nancy, Yeah,
they just tossed her into the river. It's beyond disregard
for human life. It's sadism, it's thrill, it's hatred, it's
wanting to undermine the youth and beauty of such a
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beautiful member of our society.
Speaker 9 (37:46):
It's really horrible.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
When I first started prosecuting violent crimes, the judge would
instruct a jury if the evidence supported it.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
On flight as in Disha of guilt.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Now and most jurisdictions, the judge doesn't instruct a jury
that flight can be used as an indication of guilt,
but the prosecutor can still argue it.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
And in this case, you want to tell me they
didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Because when HPD Houston PD shows up at the apartment
complex where these two illegals live and they get a bullhorn,
a loud speaker and they order the men to come out,
what do they do. One of the guys tries to
jump off a balcony for a m but wisely, Houston
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PD and this detective is really something else.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
It's Stephen Hope.
Speaker 9 (38:43):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
They have the whole place surrounded.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
There you go jumping off a balcony to Crawley Bill
joining US investigative reporter kPr C too. They're in Houston, really,
I mean, if the cottonknocks on your door, do you
try to run out in the back and jump off
a balcony.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
And it was really interesting because we were out there
that morning. We didn't see that time of the rest
just afterwards when they were placed in handcuffs. But a
lot of the neighbors out there told me that they
didn't really interact with those men too much. They'd only
lived at that apartment complex for maybe a month two months.
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I think the only time they really saw them out
was a barbecue that happened a couple weeks prior. But
they didn't have many details about, you know, what those
men were like or if they seemed suspicious at all.
So definitely concerning if they're trying to run from police.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
They took away my first born. A mom pleads for
killers to be brought to justice after her twelve year
old daughter's slaying.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Now we know the two men that have been arrested
in the rape and murder of a twelve year old
little Houston girl, Jocelyn secretly and nefariously came into our
country to.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Do nothing but rek have it. They were not.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Here, according to the Statue of Liberty, seeking a new life.
They came here to continue a life of violent crime.
And it's not the first time does the name lacan
Riley ring a bell, because I'll never forget the name.
Speaker 8 (40:28):
Listen in Athens, Georgia. Nursing student Lake and Riley is
late returning from a jog at the University of Georgia
campus and a roommate becomes concerned surging the area she
would jog. Her body is found in a coney forest
park near Lake Herrick. Riley's body is found covered in
brush and she's been killed by blood, forced trauma, and asphyxiation.
A sketch of a possible person of interest leads investigators
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to Jose Antonio Ibarra. Ibarra is from Venezuela, entered the
USA illegally with a fake wife, was sent to New York,
left his fake wife, and ended up in Athens, Georgia
with his brother. Ibra now facing murder charges in the
killing of Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
His fake wife. And what about Elizabeth Medina.
Speaker 8 (41:08):
When high school cheerleader Lizabeth Medina doesn't join her team
for the Christmas parade, her mother races home to see why.
In the bathroom, Jackala Medina finds her daughter in the bathtub, dead,
stabbed to death. Police tracks suspicious activity on Lizabeth's missing
cell phone, leading them to Rafael Govea Romero twenty three
illegally in the United States of America from Mexico. Investigators
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determined he's been stalking Lizabeth Medina and was on probation
at the time of her murder, and.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Then he stabs her dead, and Mommy has to find
her daughter dead in the bathtub when she's supposed to
be in a Christmas parade.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
That's how she found out.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Mommy races for more to see her daughter in the parade,
not wanting to miss a thing, and the daughter's not there,
so she races home to find her daughter dead. When
will it end? I can't control what Congress is doing,
you know. That's like yelling out the window on Third Avenue.
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But what I can do is ask for help in
this case to make sure these two are convicted.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Seven one, three, three zero eight three six hundred.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Another heartbreaking twist in the case of the murder of
twelve year old Jocelyn Nungary, who allegedly was brutalized and
murdered at the hands of two illegal migrants. Now a
woman has come forward swearing she was raped by one
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of the purpose when she was on vacation in Costa Rica. Coincidentally,
when Ramos was making his way from South America.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Up to the US. Did he go through Costa Rica?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Can we prove this?
Speaker 1 (42:57):
What do we know about Jocelyn's case.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
We're never going to get justice for this American woman
out of Costa Rica, but we can get justice in
the US.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
We wait as justice unfolds.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Goodbye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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