September 3, 2025 • 57 mins
Kristi and Steve Goncalves were outraged a plea deal was struck with four-time killer Bryan Kohberger.
Kaylee's parents reveal they were kept in the dark about the details of their daughter's brutal murder.
Steve and Kristi have been openly critical, expressing their disappointment after Kohberger showed no remorse for the brutal killings and avoided the death penalty by pleading guilty. Both parents say the plea was mishandled by prosecutors and felt it was a rush to avoid a lengthy trial.
The Goncalves family talks one-on-one with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Welcome to Crime Stories tonight.
It's a very special night, and I'm speaking on behalf
of not just myself, but our entire staff across the
country as they are, and all of our families, because
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we are speaking one on one with two very special people,
people that you had never heard of just a few
years ago, but now are icons in the crime victim
community and across the world. Christy and Steve Gonsolve us
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are joining us tonight. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You want the truth.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Here's the one you'll hate the most. If you hadn't
attached them in their sleep in the middle of the
night like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked your us.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I wanted to open with sound from your daughter speaking
out at Brian Coberger sentencing. I got to tell you something.
You did something right the way you have raised your children,
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Missus Gonsalvius. Weren't you so proud of her? And under
the worst conditions she stood strong.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
She has never ceased to amaze me throughout this whole
entire process. She has just been just amazingly strong and
when we went to the sentencing, we actually did not
know what each other was going to say because we
did not want to influence each other's speeches, so we
did not know, and it was all new. And she
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got up there and I was just as sounded. I
was just beside myself. And then when she was done,
the audience or the courtroom clapped, and it was like,
is that normal.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I don't think people normally clap, but it was. It
was very surreal.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
It was very oh my gosh, what happened. And then
you know, we I'm like, I have to hear that again.
It was just so good, just so proud of her,
of what she said and the way she articulated it
was was perfect.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I am going to play some of your daughter speaking,
But as I'm looking at the two of you sitting there,
so close together, connected, clearly connected. You know, when marriages
face the slightest problem, like you don't have enough money,
or there's an illness in the family, or just any
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number of things, marriages break apart. But under the single
word first thing that could happen to a mother and
a father, the death of your child, which most of
us can't even imagine. You too, same, even stronger, you see,
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even closer. How is that happening, Christy?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I honestly it has brought us closer, just because the
pain and the anxiety that we have had are especially me.
Steve has just been so amazing. He's been so gentle
with me. He's given me grace, He's given me time
to heal.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
You know, what do you need? Can I help you?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
And you know I tried to be that person for
him as well, and you know, I sometimes I just
need a hug when he gets home. I'm like, I
just need a big hug, and he just wraps his
arms around me, gives me this big old hug, and
I just feel better. And I mean he's been my
it has been for almost thirty years, and you know,
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five kids, and he's the epitome of an amazing man,
an amazing father, amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Husband all wrapped up in one. I was blessed.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know what's interesting. So many things about you two
are interesting, and so many millions of people have been
watching you at a distance, and I'm just so honored
that I get to actually talk to you, not just
watch you in a courtroom or on a camera. Mister Gonsalves,
you have been very outspoken, very outspoken throughout this entire nightmare,
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and a lot of people have attacked you. I don't
get it. Do you even care what they say? I
hope not.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Now it just rolls right off my shoulders. I play
support my whole life. I'm used to like constructive criticism,
so that'll take to heart. And you know, sometimes I
will misspeak or I'll say something.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
That you know I'll take back because I got I
got my facts wrong.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
But I'm defending my children and my daughter and my wife,
so I don't really take to heart them. I know
that there's going to be some people who side with,
you know, the other side, and I just I just
keep it at that.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
I think they have.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
More in harmony with evil than they do good, and
their actions reflect that, so I don't waste my time
on them.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Well, our family, the Grace family, has a very old saying,
screw them and the horse they rode in on. So
that's my legal advice to you. I'm want to circle
back to your daughter, who was absolutely amazing. You know what,
that doesn't just happen. She's amazing because you raise her
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to be amazing. She didn't just come out that way.
She has had years of you, you as her example.
What am I talking about? Listen?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You thought you were exceptional all because of a grade
on a paper. You thought you were elite because your
online IQ test from twenty ten told you so. All
of that effort just to seem important.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's desperate.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
There is a name for your condition, though your inflated
ego just didn't allow you to see it.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Want to be.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You act like no one could ever understand your mind.
But the truth is you're basic. You're a text bookcase
of insecurity disguised as control. Your patterns are predictable, your
motives are shallow.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You are not profound. You're pathetic.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
You aren't special or deep, not mysterious or exceptional. Don't
ever get it twisted again. No one is scared of
you today. No one is intimidated by you, No one
is impressed by you.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
No one thinks that you.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You are important.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You orchestrated this like you thought you were God. Now
look at you begging a courtroom for scraps. You spent
months preparing, and still all it took was my sister,
and as she you work so hard to see him
dangerous but real control doesn't have to prove itself.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I love her. Did you have any idea what she
was going to say? Christy?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
No, no, we didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
We didn't share our speeches with each other because we
didn't want to influence them, and we were writing them
up to the minute, literally like editing and adding and
taking away.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So no, she got up there and she flipped the table.
I mean she flipped it all upside down.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
We were like, oh, oh, my goodness, you know, and
she she did great. People love her, and you know,
we love her. She's our oldest girl, our oldest child,
and she's been through a lot with us, you know,
being the oldest. So she's very resilient, she's very brave,
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she's the best big sister to all the kids, and
she's incredibly smart, incredibly smart.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
She blows my mind all the time, all the time.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I just want to play one more time. I've got
so many questions for you, but I just got to
play one more tiny snippet of your daughter.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
The truth is the scariest part about you. It's how
painfully average you turned out to be. The truth is
as dumb as they come, stupid, clumsy, slow, sloppy, weak, dirty,
let me be very clear, don't ever try to convince
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yourself you mattered just because someone finally said your name
out loud. I see through you.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You want the truth.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Here's the one you'll hate the most. If you had
attacked them in their sleep in the middle of the
night like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked yourss.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Thank you, thank you, and all over the world people
joined in that applause. She's amazing. Steve, did you have
any idea what she was going to say before she
said it?
Speaker 6 (09:24):
I did know a little bit of details.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
We kind of did. We talked about topics, and she
said she wanted to use his questions against him, and
we all had that same idea. We thought about that,
but she earned it, she needed that, and I was
glad to give that to her, and that was her
talking point. So that was the kind of collaboration we did.
But I think when you see here you have a
glimpse of who Kaylee was as well. And when you
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hear my son he was speaking as well. When you
see the two kids, you see who these kids, who
Kaylee was, And that was our best way of showing
the world what had been stolen from us. He was
very average, but his victims were exceptional, and that's what
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we wanted to convey. That's what we were missing, and
we wanted the world to know about that, like what
we're missing and what kind of a person she.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Was miss Right now, seemingly every headline is about b
K Brian Coburger, what he's going through, what his complaints are,
where he's housed. I'm so overhearing about Brian f ing Coburger.
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I want to talk about the victims. Victims all over
the world are watching you and getting strength from you.
I remember the moment that I turned into a crime victim,
the moment I knew my fiance had been murdered. I
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was standing at a payphone and I could talk, but
I couldn't dial the numbers. My hand was like a
moth trying to get to the flop to the light.
I couldn't punch the numbers. I remember it exactly when
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Missus Gonsalves did you know, without a doubt, something horrible
had happened.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It was Sunday, November thirteenth.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
We were all here watching the football game, and my
niece called me and she told me that something terrible
had happened to Kaylee, her cousin or her husband's cousin
went to you and I and something was going on,
and she believed that Kaylee was dead.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
And I threw my phone across the room and I
started calling.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Kaylee and her was going straight to voice Belfore I
started calling Maddie and nothing. So I called Olivia and
got Olivia on the phone and had told.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Her what was going on.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
But we're still trying to stay calm, saying it's going
to be okay, it's going to be something just is wrong. Well,
as hours went by and we called police stations and
hospitals and.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We got nothing, no information.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
But we see her house on TV and it's purten
off with yellow tape. I knew, I knew in my
heart that something terrible had happened, but for sure when
the sheriff showed up around five and came to the
door and told us there was four homicides.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Mississ go salmis, what do you mean? Because I knew
Keith was dead before they said he's dead. I knew
when you said you knew in your heart, how did
you know in your heart? And what was that feeling?
How did you know? And I've heard many many other
violent crime victims say the same thing they knew before
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they were told.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Well, I knew just because of my niece calling me.
You know, she's a very responsible adult, she's a mother,
she's a nurse. I knew that Sabrina would not have
made that call.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
To me had she not new ad facts.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
So I knew, even though, like we didn't have confirmation.
But I kept telling Olivia and the kids.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
She's gone. She's gone, guys, I don't.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
You know, we don't know what happened, but you know,
And we're running around the house frantic.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I'm crying, everybody's crying.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
We're trying to get in touch with somebody to get answers.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And I kept.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Saying, the sheriff will come. If it's true, the sheriff
will come. And it was that evening and I looked
out my front window and I saw the sheriff pull up,
and I said, the sheriff's here, and I took off
to my bedroom. I ran to my bedroom and everybody
answered the door, and I came back out about a
minute later and stood here at the front door and
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ask them what happened, you know, And he said it
was a homicide. And I said they were murdered. And
I asked if one of them was Maddie, because at
that time the thing started clicking, that could possibly Maddie
because she hadn't answered.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Me all day long.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
And they said yes, and we said how and they
said we can't.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
We don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Here's a card called this person in the morning, and
we're like, should we go down there?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Said no. I said what are we supposed to do?
What do we do? And he said, just call in
the morning.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I'm trying to I feel like I'm seeing it all
play out right in front of me right now. I
remember I was holding this big stack of school books.
I had just come out of a statistic exam, and
I remember dumping, just dropping everything, and it was so unreal.
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You said, he ran out into the yard. Do you
remember that moment? Where did you think you were going?
What were you going to do?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Well?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I actually ran to my bedroom and I just as
soon as I saw that sheriff call up, I just
I was I don't know, I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I didn't want to hear it. I was running away.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I just ran back to that room, and you know,
I just I was crying and it just all hit
me like this is not a weird situation. This isn't
and you know, Kylee's gone, even though I had know,
like I knew all day, but I didn't know. It
was just hard to explain, but in my heart I
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felt it and it was just the finality, like this
officer is here and he's here for a reason, you know,
And it just it was your whole body hurts, like
everything just aches, like your fingertips, your your toes, your knees,
you get shaky, like that really happens, like the shaking
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and the knees, and it's real. And I think at
that point I went into shop, and I think that
shock lasted for quite a while for me. I don't
remember a whole lot after that. I have pretty big
gaps my memory.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Steve, do you remember her running running to the bedroom
and hiding when the LA Law enforcement came up the driveway?
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Yeah, I remember her running that way.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Aubrey went up the steps and she went on her
computer and she started. We just at first, we thought
of it was just like a rumor, some drama, some
fake thing amidst college town parties happened, kids do pranks.
We thought there was something else going on, at least
I did. That's why we're like, if the cop shows up,
then you know that's not a prank, that's this is
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something serious. And even then I still couldn't fully understand what.
You know, you don't know what death is unless you're
familiar with it, and we weren't. This family hadn't been
struck like that. So yeah, we missed that door right
there behind us and opened that up, and there's a
sheriff there I had never seen before in.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
My life and Coutney County car and.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Thankfully he gave us a little bit more information than
we had had at that point, and he cleared up
the fact that it was a homicide or that, and
Maddy was involved as well, And we knew Mattie's mom
was on the way down there, so we were like,
do we call her?
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Do we let her know that.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
They weren't going to they already told us, so we
couldn't go down there and see them. We couldn't go
down there and pick.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Her up or anything like that. So mean's ongoing investigations.
So we just sat in.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
The house and just thought of ways to get a
hold of people that had been around the children in
the last twenty forty eight hours and figure out going on.
Was this some random act of violence?
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Was this what was this.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Just shooting from a party? Was it the night?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I just you know, yeah, we just know people are
saying it was betanol and you know, all the factors
that would go around, so and you know, they wouldn't
even tell us any details. I mean, it was months
before we actually eve knew how they were killed, so
it was very frustrating. We got the vandal alert that.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Told us that there was four homicides.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Before we even knew what was going on, So they
knew before we knew.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Just trying to imagine everything that you're saying, and the
officer gives you a card when you go, well, what
do we do because we'll just call them in the morning.
It's almost like a bank with bankers hours. You can
get back to them in the morning. So what do
you do all night long? When you have this knowledge?
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You can't go there, there's nothing you can do there.
What do do you do that night?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I did not sleep at all that night because after
what we were, you know, going through. I also called
Olivia and she lives down in La and she threw
her kids in the car, and her and her husband
jumped in the car and they drove up here. So
they drove through the night. That was about five six
o'clock at night when they left LA. It's a twenty
hour drive, so you know, I was worried about them
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driving all night, you know as well, and I just
couldn't sleep, and I just my mind just it went crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I went crazy.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Yeah, we knew that Gayle had mentioned being stopped, even
right up until the weeks that this had came up
to that, so I felt like we I kind of
wanted my family to be focused on something other than
just the devastation. So I was like, you're finding that information,
get a hold of a neighbor. And the more information
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that we found, it just felt like that was at
least something to grab, that's something we could control, go
away from just being victims to being investigators of what
happened to our child. And we did find out a
bunch of things that those forty eight hours from people
that were just reaching out and saying, hey, you know,
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this is what I know. I was right across the street,
this is what's going on, Yeah, and were just looking there.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I remember what you said, Steve.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Listen, within hours, within hours, we had your white car
on a camera.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
We knew, we knew from the very beginning, we had you.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Police officers tell us within minutes they had your DNA
like a calling card. You were that careless, that foolish,
that's stupid, master degree.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
You're a joke, complete joke.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
With Nancy Grace. So at the very beginning, Steve and Christy,
you were already focusing or trying to focus off the
pain and focus on what happened and finding the truth.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yes, because Jack actually wound up coming here because he
left Moscow and he came here, and.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Obviously he was there at the scene.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
And stuff, so he had heard what Dylan was seeing.
So once he told us that because, like I said,
the officer said that it was a homessidea were murdered.
But then Dylan was saying, there was a mass man
in our house, and and you know, there was somebody
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in the tree and all this stuff, and it quickly
was clear that this sounded like a stranger murder, you know,
not like somebody that knew or whatnot. So it really
changed things. It felt like a huge I mean just
a huge violation and we just were like, we've got
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a murder that And at that time before I just
kind of thought they were going to get him. You know,
it was some kid he went and he shot up,
shot up the house or something, and they got you know,
he's walking down the street. And I just kept waiting
for the news to say they've rested somebody.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
They rested somebody.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
And when Jack told us that, I was kind of like,
you know, this sounds a little different than whatever we're
thinking type of murder.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, I mean, you're right, because we were all led
to believe Steve and Chris say that, oh they died
in their sleep. That is not what happened at all.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Steve, you don't expect the prosecutor to lie to you,
and we were lied to. All the parents were lied to.
We weren't given the details. They're asking us to make
a decision on life or death, and they're not even
given us the details of our own children, let alone
the whole.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Circumstance of what happened to them. I know for a fact.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
That's when one of the mothers heard what happened to Kayley,
she said, this would have changed everything. So it was disgusting.
You know, and they kept saying stuff like crime of
passion and ounce or a party house. We're like, what's
going on here. I'm literally watching the surveillance of this
this road and this car keeps flying around this house
over and over again.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
They were clearly stocked. I don't care what the prosecutor.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Maybe he can't prove it because he can't. He's just
not that good. But they were clearly stocked. He was
there multiple times. The officers were distracted with given miners
and possessions when they really when they're literally filming the
house that these kids get murdered in. I mean, it's
that town has to clear up some priorities and realize that,
you know, noise complaints and alcohol is only a part
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of their job, and they need to make sure that
they're protecting these kids if they if they want to
keep doing business.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I was stunned when I heard there was going to
be a plea. I remember the moment, I'm like, what
a plea? I want to circle back to something you said, okay, Kelly,
and we heard dribbles about this at the beginning, had
stated that she was being stalked, okay, but then the
prosecution says there was no stalking. We have no evidence
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of stalking. I mean, how many times can we place
that Elantra stalking the king wrote address and Kelly knew
she was being stalked. So that is a lie. You stated,
the DA lied to you. I believe that because there
was no way the parent all the parents would have
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acted like they were going along with this plea if
they had known what we're learning now with all these
videos and body cam and crime scene photos coming out,
that is not what everybody was told happened.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yeah, thirteen incidents assue before this individual was let go
or defunded, whatever that, whatever spin these universities want to
put on it. This guy was a nightmare, throwing up
red flags everywhere. And those are the type of details
that we gotta. We got to force our courtrooms to
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be more honest, and we shouldn't be seling things up
in a case like this. I mean, it's not national security,
it's getting abused. They're abusing.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
These rules that they say, oh, we got to protect.
They didn't have anyone to protect.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
They didn't even have the guy until almost seven weeks
and they were still hiding everything.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
So it was just a lie. And you know when
you call.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
What were they hiding?
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Just telling us our child was stabbed brutally? You know
how many times?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
How many times?
Speaker 4 (25:49):
We just learned the day or the day before the sentencing,
how many times Kaylie had been stabbed?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
White a minute. I am stunned because she was stabbed
so many times they could not identify her, and you
just learned about that when the plea was set to
go down.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
We learned about it after.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
The plea the day before the sentencing because they lifted
the gag orders.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
So the detective said that they would.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Talk to us.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
So we talked to them briefly, and we had questions
about Kaylee. You know, how many times was she stabbed?
I mean, none of that's not in her on her
death certificate. The coroner never told us. She just said
around twenty is what she said. So we really didn't know,
and we didn't know where. So we asked them that
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and they told us they told us thirty eight times,
and then we were like okay, and they said Kaylie
had really bad damage to her mouth, and I asked
them if her teeth were intact, and they told me no.
And then the day of the sentencing, the docs were dropped.
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The Moscow docs were dropped, and the next day we
were driving home and I was reading some of them
and I read that Kaylee was they couldn't yeah, unrecognizable,
and that was that word the will forever like trauma
traumatized me.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I didn't expect that.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And then to read another report that said the same thing, unrecognizable,
and then to read a third report that said he
wasn't sure what he was really looking at because the
facial structure had been so badly damaged.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
So that's why we were discussed with this prosecution team.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I mean, and we did not know any of that
for two years and nine months. We did not know
that because of.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
The GAD order.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
And they're telling us, are you okay with us giving
them life in prison? We're like, no, we're not. And
the people who are they don't know what we know,
and we don't know what they know. I don't know
what happened to their child. They don't know what happened
to mine. It was a protective business over the victims,
over justice. We're still fighting with it. I mean, we're
still fighting with it to this day because we're hearing
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details that he was following girls out to their car,
and one of the professors said that this guy's going
to be a problem that he gets his PhD. He's
going to harass students, he's going to freaking abuse his power.
All the things that we suspected that were going on.
We find this out afterwards while they go on a
media tour. They only told us so they could go
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do a media tour and tell all you guys. So
they're like, well, we have to tell them before we
tell the world. So basically, twelve hours earlier, they tell us,
and then they grab a microphone and tell the world
that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I'm I'm just so stunned at how this was, how
this went down on you. And there's something about the
victim's face, because I know I'm projecting. Keith was shot
five times in the neck, the face, the back, and
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I tried not to think about it because it throws
me into a horrible depression because I think about the
bullets tearing through his face. He had these beautiful blue eyes,
and I wonder were they shot, what happened? Did he
feel it when you learned how many times she had
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been stabbed in the face? Were you full of rage?
Were you full of tears. What went through your mind
when you learned the truth too late?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
So we actually learned all the truth from her autopsy report,
and we were given her autopsy report.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
On a thumb drive during the sentence.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
The investigator walked into the courtroom that day and said,
and we had to arranged that, and he said, here's
the autops report. So in reading that autops report, we
found out that Kaylie had been stabbed twenty four times
to her face and head. She had eleven to her chest,
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neck and like torso area, and three to her upper extremities.
So I thought about her eyes too. I was like,
was her eyes stabbed? But somehow or another, Kaylie's eyes
had not been stabbed. Kaylee did have really bad facial damage.
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She or some of her teeth were we're missing, several
were broken, and she had two subdural hematomas to her head, so.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Her nose was broken badly.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Yeah, So that for me, it was outrage because my
daughter was fighting up to her very last breath over
and over. She kept trying to get out of that
bed and he was just drilling her and she's fighting
for her last breath. And I got this old Santa Claus,
who's just thrown out a white towel, just saying, oh,
let's just make it all go away. And I want
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these type of killings to stop, and you don't do
that with weak prosecutors.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
And this man is extremely bad at his job.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
And just yesterday we asked AI what are the safest
countries in the world, And out of the top ten,
every single one.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Of them have the death penalty.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Well eight of them have the capital So for somebody
to think that capital murder doesn't work, well, the safest
countries in the world use it, and they don't use
it like how we are in America. It's just a
bargaining chip.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, Idaho has it.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
But our guys have been there for a long time
and we knew, we knew this wasn't going to happen fast.
He was going to be on death row. It's the principle.
He deserves to ultimately die. Now, maybe he's going to
die of natural causes or just because he gets old
in there, but we were hoping because they just brought
back to the firing squad that here, and I know
things were going to pick back up and they were
going to start, you know, executing these murderers and these criminals.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
That are on death row.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
But we knew it wasn't going to be anytime soon.
We didn't think they were just going to take him
out back and shoot him. I mean, that would be great.
But even if it was exactly how they told us,
they were just sleeping in their beds, they probably never
even woke up, and they were just stabbed.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
To death, little package of bow.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
On it, we still would have wanted the death penalty,
you know, we still would We wanted it from the
very beginning.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
As soon as we found out that.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
They were is that you were led to believe, Christy,
did they Because that's what I was led to believe.
That they were attacked in their sleep and they were
basically dead before they could even wake up.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Yes, And then they went to those parents and said,
this is what it is. Do you want to make
a deal. I mean, that's what it is. No, they
didn't know little shoes punch or face was crushed in,
or teeth or not. They didn't give those just because
they knew it would be enraging and then they would.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Have a problem. So the truth was a problem. Truth
was a problem for the prosecutor, and I don't like it.
I don't like it one bit.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
You stated that you are still fighting about it. Number one,
God bless you and give you strength because you're going
to need it for the rest of your life. You
were going to be scrutinized, you were going to be followed,
you were going to be photographed. Everything you say is
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going to be parsed and analyzed and attacked. But you
said you're still fighting.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
How trying to get We're still trying to get them
to release documentation. They told us that when as soon
as we were out of court, they were going to
give us all of the discovery. Just two days ago
they sent us an email and said, no, that we
have to go through it as.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
The the freedom of information at it.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And we were in a meeting with you are kidding me,
They're making you file a four your request for the documents.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Yeah, these people don't.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Two days ago because we kept saying where's our because
they told us they would.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Give it to us, They said that we'll give you
all a discovery and Channon.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Said they're not going to have to go dig for
it and get in line with everybody else, and they
said no, no, no, no, no, nope, we'll give it
to them, and we keep on asking, and then two
days ago, beyond email said you're just gonna here's the
links you need to get on here and you need
to file these forms and these requests and there you go, which.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
Which I did.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
And then it came back and said we can't find
any records on Kayle. And I was like, all right, guys,
tell me what department FBI has, Like, let's you see
over ten and it's probably closer to twenty.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
And I didn't know what department.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
I went for Criminology, Justice, I believe is where I
did for you, and they said this is the wrong department.
So I went back to them and said, can you
at least tell me what department I'm getting a Freedom
of Information Act on? And they're like, uh, we don't
have anyone to even talk to you to.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
Know, so they don't even know. And I'm like, you
guys are clowns. You guys are clowns.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
This you should be you should embarrassed to be this
bad at your job. And I'll hold you accountable. And
I think every family, when you lose your child, you
have to like expect the most when you're talking about.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Life and death.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
You have to you have to take charge situation. There's
going to be a time for you to struggle and
be a victim. But if you can rally up and
then go into that system and say and demand justice
and demand that.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
Your child is treated as fair.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
As possible, and you'll feel better when it's all said
and done.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
You know, it's never going to bring them back.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
And I literally had a judge scream at me, you're
we're not going to bring her back, and I was like,
I don't That's not what this is about.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
This is about you guys doing everything by the book.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
This is like you.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Judge told you you're not going to bring her back.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Yeah, yeah, yelling at me, telling me he didn't want
me to talk to the media anymore. And I said, well,
that's that's not going to happen. I'm going to talk
to media every single time I want. He basically said,
well then we'll never have a trial.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
He in a close hearing.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I can't believe. I judge told you how you're supposed
to be and you can't bring her back. That is
not appropriate for a judge to tell a grieving parent
you can't bring her back. Let's just let it go.
It's not going to bring her back. It's not about
her back. It is about justice.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, he actually said, he was talking. We all were
in the courtroom or on.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Zoom, all the families, and he actually said, and the
goods all this family, especially the dad needs to shut
his mouth.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
And he said, I don't. I don't agree with that.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
And he said, I don't care if you don't agree
with that. And Steve said, well, I mean, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Me, I'm fighting for justice for my daughter.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
And he says, do you think that that you're going
to bring her back?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Doing this all is talking to the media is going
to bring her back? And Steve goes, no, I mean
I know that that's not going to bring her back.
But you know I still have a voice, you know,
And well.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Does he get off saying it's not going to bring
her back to you who have lost your precious pearl.
And he is telling you to speak? Are you not
to speak?
Speaker 5 (37:12):
I mean I still had a son at that college.
There was another victim's sister that went to WSU. We
had we had lives still on the line making sure
that that place was protected. And when we're sitting there saying, hey,
we need to know the facts. We need to know
where they stop, what's going We have kids still going
to school here, and they're just like, no, you don't
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have the right to know anything.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, did you say the other parents were duped? Do
you think the other parents were duped? They didn't understand
the facts where they agreed to that play.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
So the plea.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
They set up a meeting with us via zoom, our
whole family on a Friday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It was like an hour and a half.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Long, and we talked about logistics of trial becauespecially of themecurity,
where we're going to park, how we're going to have
to phone in every day and tell who's coming, and YadA.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
YadA, YadA YadA.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Our car had already been vandalized in their parking.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Lot the Late Ada County, So we're like, how.
Speaker 6 (38:12):
Do we make sure this doesn't happen anymore? Guys?
Speaker 4 (38:14):
And ironically, that day that we went to court, there
was a bunch of pro Burgers on the other side
sitting behind Brian doing this and hmmm on the camera
and or we vandalized.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
We're like, so, speaking of.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
The pro Burgers, you know what I have in my hand,
all of Coburger's complaints. I know it's kind of irrelevant.
All that matters is Kelly is gone and her friends
are gone, and he murdered them, and we're paying for
his three hots and a cot. That's what matters. And
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is there any way under God's son that it can
be fixed? But I find it ironic that he is
filing complaints that he is being threatened sex harassment through
the air vent, like he was the one looking up
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online attacking and raping women in their sleep, when they
were drugged, when they were passed out, when they were comatose.
That's his fantasy. That's why he broke in that night
when he assumed the girls would be asleep. He's whining
that Mommy, they're threatening me through the air vent and
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there he's actually I love this one that he's complaining
about the food on his tray and his nutritional value
of his food, and he refers to bringing the food
like a butler. The service just hasn't been that hasn't
been that good.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
He's the property of Idaho now and he's going to
get worse.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
To you that. I, like you said, I think it's
very ironic. I'm like, you know, for him to get
there and so quickly start complaining and even throwing out
other inmates' names and CEO names. It's like you were
in prison. I mean, do you like this is not
his forte? I mean, his forte is to kill, but
not to be killed. You know, his forte is to
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you know, possibly I mean he didn't rape any of
our kids, but possibly rape but not get raped. I mean,
you know, it's good for the goose, is not good
for the gander here, you know. And I think it's
just so ironic that he is complaining with written complaints
and saying this inmate so and so so is doing
this to me and saying this to me and this,
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and and he expects them to come and save him.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Yeah. Yeah, well they've they've been beating him, and we
paid our prisoners. And when when you become the property
of a state, you should lose your constitutional rights. You
shouldn't have all these rights as if you were a
tax paying citizen doing your best job, going to work
every single day. We got to we've got to fix
some of these things. And we have been talking with legislators,
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you asking of us things that we've done. We're not
going to take this lightly. We're we're going to do
everything from a victim's perspective. We've become advocates and witnesses
for our kids, and we're trying to change it. And
I think you guys can see that that's that went
all the way down to you, my daughter in the
courtroom going after him and letting them know that we're
not just going to be victims that you can keep
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down and keep trying to hurt, you know.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
I do also think that they really up the Annie
taking them to prison, which is what we were hopeful for,
because I think that lay Talk County Jail was a
kkewalk and then and then Ada maybe.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Got little Mayberry. It was myberry. I couldn't believe that
this guy's kind of how a tablet. He can't watch movies,
he can communicate with the outside world. I guarantee you
just give it a minute until people think this has
died down. He is going to zoom at some symposium.
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He's going to be have this weird cult following like
you mentioned the pro Burgers. He can write a book.
There's no son of Sam laws in Idaho. I don't
believe he can even get married. I mean, I feel
like running out in the street and screaming.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
I think I just read somewhere the other day, which
I know I did, that does one of the Meninda's
brothers have a child?
Speaker 6 (42:32):
Yes, he has a daughter.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Even your vander Slut, you know, Jorn vander Slute that
murdered two young girls, murdered Natalie Holloway and Stephanie Tasciana
Florides under similar circumstances as judge Daddy protected him. He's
had not one but two babies behind bars. He drinks,
he does drugs, he smokes, he gambles. It's like an
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insane But again, screw them and the horse they rode
in on. I want to talk about what, if anything,
can be done now, starting with do you believe the
other families were duped? If they had known the truth,
would they have gone along with the plea?
Speaker 2 (43:14):
I can't say one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
But the thing is, I don't want to speak on
behalf of them by any means.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
But I don't.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Think that the other families necessarily wanted the truth.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
They didn't want to be lied to, but they didn't
want details. And we did.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
We weren't just like Okay, she was seventy at the round.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Twenty, We're like, how many you know where?
Speaker 4 (43:39):
And because I do talk to Mattie's mom, and Maddie's
mom is like please please please, like I don't you know,
so I don't say anything to her. When I speak
to her about you know, what happened, She's like, I
don't read that stuff. I don't I don't watch it.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Our thing is we have kids, you know.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
We have two that are older, we have two that
are younger, and you can't tell them this day on
social media for the rest of their lives. And I
don't want one of them opened up TikTok and seeing
cremsy photos of their sister or bodycam.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
So we were like, we're trying to stay one ahead.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
And as a mother, even if I didn't have children,
I would still as much as it has traumatized me,
I would still want to know what happened.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
I want I want to know what happened.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Top to body Christy, isn't it true? You basically got
an email saying, hey, we got a deal.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Yes on a Sunday Sunday afternoon. They sent it at
four fifty three pm. We happen to see what happened
to be checking his email a little later, around six
or so.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
And he said what and we lost our minds.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
We immediately emailed them and said we need to talk
like now, like what has this been sent yet?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Have you offered it yet? What is going on?
Speaker 4 (44:50):
They sent us an email the next morning and said
we can meet at three today and we said, you
didn't answer, has this been sent already? And they said yes,
it was sent yesterday evening to the defense. And so
we met with them at three that day on Monday,
and the plea had already been accepted, and we lost
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our minds.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
We were in that meeting.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
I mean we were screaming, we were cussing, we were yelling,
we were.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Saying why did you do this? How did you do this?
You know what happened?
Speaker 4 (45:21):
You just talked to us on Friday and told us that,
you know, you had every anticipation of taking this all
the way. We talked about port I mean we talked
about a plea deal for like a like a second
and he just said, oh, I think that they might
be wanting one, but we have no reason to give
them one.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
You know, why would we? And we're like, yeah, right,
why would we?
Speaker 4 (45:47):
And he said, how do you guys feel about a
plea deal, and we're like no, no, no, no, no
no no.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Boom moved on.
Speaker 5 (45:53):
Yeah, he accepted the plea deal within the same hour
that he got it. This man never wanted to fight
for our children, literally, I mean it. They fought for
their lives, for their very last breath, and this man
had no fighting it.
Speaker 6 (46:06):
They fought hard all.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
The way to the end, and he gave up within
an hour of being given an opportunity.
Speaker 6 (46:12):
To quit on these kids.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
And that's the kind of prosecutor that you got to
get you. You got to get him out. You got
to get real prosecutors in Idaho. We've got some jobs
to do. We got some work to do there.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Yeah, you have to have a prosecutor that if you're
in depth inally state believes in capital punishment.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
It's not your will, the victims will. If they don't
want it, then fine. But we had four people and Bill.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
Thompson has never talked to us since that phone that
zoom meeting that we had, and we were just like,
oh my gosh, I can't believe that you did that.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
You man. He's never talked to you since he's been
all over the media. But he hasn't talked to you.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
When we did get a briefing, it was from the investigator,
the two investigators, and.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Ashley Jennings the deputy, but Bill Tump because I mean
we were going after him. I mean, our whole family
was in different media windows and we were all just
coming at here.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
We were just like Bell, like how could you do this?
Speaker 1 (47:11):
So this guy did not have the balls to talk
to you after the deal because he knew he had
done the wrong thing.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
Yeah, I said, did you at least get some details?
Did you at least get find out about the kill kid,
the knife, anything? You go, Steeve, we will never get
those details. You're never going to get those details. It's
not important.
Speaker 6 (47:31):
He's just going to lie to us.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
And I said, you are absolutely idiot. You have no
idea who this person is. He is going to write
a book and I'm going to learn about the sickest details.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
Through his profit book.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
Through its sister, or through some professor, whatever way he
does it.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
I'm going to hear about him. And you're an idiot
for not even knowing who. You're dealing with.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. What do you believe Coburger's
motive was not that the state needs to prove it.
I don't know why they kept talking about we can't
prove motive. It doesn't matter. You don't have to prove
motive in a murder case. But what do you believe
was his motive?
Speaker 4 (48:15):
I think that he had been watching either Kailee or Maddie,
and I don't think the others were involved, and that's
why he went straight up to that room. That house
is so confusing. It's just just a build on from hell.
They just built on and built on and built on
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throughout the years. So it is a very confusing floor plan.
And we know that he went in there very quickly.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
He wasn't you know. He went in and he went out.
Speaker 6 (48:44):
And.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
He may have tried to walk into Keailee's room first,
we don't know.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
And Keeley's mid was empty, so he's like, I'm going
into Xantas or Maddie's. And maybe he went into Maddi's
and then got mad because Keaylee woke up and was like, oh,
there's two in here. But I think it was some
sort of an obsession, some sick, sick, twisted, you know, stalking.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Maybe he hated one of them, Maybe it was both.
I think it was hate.
Speaker 6 (49:15):
There was no blood on Kayley's door, so that would.
Speaker 5 (49:19):
Lead us to believe he went there first, opened the
door seeing the dog or seeing something, and then said, okay,
there's nobody here. Then he went to Then I'm thinking
he went to ADDIE's room. And you don't see blood
on that door, but the other door downstairs they do
see blood on it, So I think that was We're
just going through this reverse engineering it. We've talked to
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detectives and things like that now and we believe that
that's that's explains who he was going for, and he
definitely stopped them. He stopped multiple girls on that hillside.
He's a copycat killer and he just was really poor
at it. And I mean you could look at his handwriting.
He might be a PhDe student and Sylvania, but he
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would have.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
Had a wee harder time out here. I mean he
looked like a little kid, like a little fifth grader
write in that paper. So I can't believe that.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
That's Guys, why do you think everybody is attacking Dylan
and Bethany acting like they did something wrong or even
part of the murtyrs. It's insane.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
I hate it.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
We absolutely hate it, and it just I fear and
these girls are so young and for them to have
to deal with this.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
For for forever.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
And I mean, I'm not going to say that the
events that occurred that night were strange. Do we think
they were involved in anyway?
Speaker 1 (50:38):
No?
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Could they have saved the kids if they were there,
called nine one one right then and there. No. But
I mean, but you you know, when you go.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Into fear, you go into that fight or fight mode,
and maybe that was they thought.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
They flew, you know, and they cut up together. It
was very clear.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Interesting about what you said when you were talking about
you saw the LA law enforcement come up in your driva,
you ran to the bedroom. That I mean, it's hard
to explain in the heat of the moment, the fog
of war, why anybody does anything that they do. Why
did I throw all my books down? I don't know
why I did that? Why did you run to the bedroom?
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I don't know. Why does anybody do anything? And attacking
those girls is just like more victimization, another thing I know,
you've got to go. I find it really interesting that
Washington State had this long history of his anti woman,
misogynist stalking behavior. And did nothing. That's really interesting. If
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he had been thrown out, he wouldn't have even been
there exactly.
Speaker 6 (51:53):
Yep, he should have been thrown out before he ever
killed these kids. That's the truth.
Speaker 5 (51:57):
They should have set a standard and said it, Look,
we don't put up with this in our university. You
cross the line, you're done. It's not even our decision,
it's just your behavior. We're holding you accountable. You should
behave like this. That's the expectations in Washington State University.
Speaker 6 (52:13):
And you either do it or you don't.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
I mean, he had thirteen in the first semester. The
first one came in August, that's the first month that
you come.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
To school, and then twelve twelve after and.
Speaker 4 (52:27):
November I had a huge you know, Thanksgiving break, and
then he didn't even go the whole month of December.
He took off, like December ninth or tenth, and there's
thirteen formal complaints.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
What were they doing?
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Just do with it?
Speaker 4 (52:42):
Following them, stalking them, just being would kind of act
aggressive and stand in doorways from what we've read, and
the girls.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Would have to like walk past them, and like all right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
Guy should have been punched in the face. He was
a creep man. He's a disgusting creep the kind of guy.
We even heard about it from the Seventh Iron's bar
where those girls put a little note saying, Hey, if
you get this credit card, watch out for this guy.
I mean, he's been doing this his whole life and
we didn't stand up to him. We need to start
standing up to these type of bullies. And hopefully Idaho
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get it right. Hope hopefully this prisoner's in there, they'll
they'll do the real justice.
Speaker 6 (53:18):
They'll they'll have like real.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
Men in there, and they'll handle it the way that
it should be handled in the first place.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Is there any way in your mind that this plea
can be reversed or any way that the fans may
seek the federal death penalty.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
We've heard that and we've seen that a lot of
people have reached out to us instead that you know,
this can happen. But we don't understand why it was
a federal in the first place. I mean, he crossed
the lines to Killy, we drove from Washington. I know,
we never understood why it wasn't a federal case in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
But just like it's don I've another question because a
lot of crime victims are watching me right now. Do
you ever feel Kelly's presence with you?
Speaker 2 (54:10):
I do.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
I do, not as much as I would like, but
once in a great while I do.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
And it's funny because you know, like you're outside in.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
A little ladybuggle, you know, a ladybug will land on
you and you're like, oh, you know, it's buck and
then you're like, lady bug.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
You know.
Speaker 4 (54:26):
So lady bugs really get me because it's not that
common that a ladybug will land on you.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
But Kaylee was a bug.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
She was our bug k bug and we all just
recently got lady bug tattoos.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
But lady bugs are very special and I feel like,
you know. And then here's another thing, is Kaylee was
she loves Stitch when she was a little when she was.
Speaker 4 (54:49):
Born, Stitch just came out the cartoon Stitch the Disney
and so we bought her everything Stitch Stitch, Stitch, Stitch, Stitch,
And it's very ironical.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Since Kaylee passed away, Stitch has been kind of brought back.
They've done a new movie with Stitches, their Stitch stuff everywhere.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
So we'll be in the sore of this and that
we'll be like, and you'll see the most ironic little
stitch figure or stitch stuff animal in this whole mess
of other stuff animals in this little stitch face, and we'll.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Be like, oh my god, scally scaily, you know.
Speaker 4 (55:18):
Just and in the strangest places you'll find a stitch
small or big or big one or something and it's
just like gaily, so stitch and ladybugs.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Guys, how do you speak with a straight face? How
do you keep being so strong? I'm looking at Steve
Gonsalmus and his face is like granite. How do you
stay so strong?
Speaker 5 (55:46):
Because it's so important and I love our country, I
love the state of Idaho.
Speaker 6 (55:50):
I want things to get better.
Speaker 5 (55:52):
I don't want these kind of sick goes to prosper
and for us to for us.
Speaker 6 (55:57):
To win, we need real leaders.
Speaker 5 (55:59):
We need men and real strong women who can stand
up to these people. I'm making them, I'm raising them.
I got some of the strongest girls in the freaking world,
and he killed one of them.
Speaker 6 (56:09):
Hold them accountable. I feel like we've got a job
to do.
Speaker 5 (56:12):
And I think if parents get a little more proactive
and be a little bit more vocal, towards that prosecution.
They can force the media to help hold them accountable.
And I really believe that the government works for us.
I believe that government is servitude. You go in to serve,
You don't go in there for your own opinion. You
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might not believe in the death penalty, we don't care.
It's the victims and their families. That's what you should
be negotiating for. You're their vote, You're proxying their will
through into the courtroom, and I think the court's lost
that and we're going to try to bring that back.
I mean, there's a reason why we took our daughter
to Texas. She had a full scholarship. We've said, you're
going to Texas because they honor their victims. They do
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everything in their power. Florida's another not that we're going
to have another victim.
Speaker 6 (57:00):
No, no, not happy.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
I don't know if you know this, and these are
not just empty words, but I want you to know,
from the beginning, the very beginning, you are the focus
of so many prayers for you, for your children, for Kelly,
not just for what you have endured, but what you
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will endure. And I want to thank you so much
for being with us, thank you.
Speaker 6 (57:35):
Thank you for your audience.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
Thank you, Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Welcome to Crime Stories tonight.
It's a very special night, and I'm speaking on behalf
of not just myself, but our entire staff across the
country as they are, and all of our families, because
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we are speaking one on one with two very special people,
people that you had never heard of just a few
years ago, but now are icons in the crime victim
community and across the world. Christy and Steve Gonsolve us
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are joining us tonight. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You want the truth.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Here's the one you'll hate the most. If you hadn't
attached them in their sleep in the middle of the
night like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked your us.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I wanted to open with sound from your daughter speaking
out at Brian Coberger sentencing. I got to tell you something.
You did something right the way you have raised your children,
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Missus Gonsalvius. Weren't you so proud of her? And under
the worst conditions she stood strong.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
She has never ceased to amaze me throughout this whole
entire process. She has just been just amazingly strong and
when we went to the sentencing, we actually did not
know what each other was going to say because we
did not want to influence each other's speeches, so we
did not know, and it was all new. And she
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got up there and I was just as sounded. I
was just beside myself. And then when she was done,
the audience or the courtroom clapped, and it was like,
is that normal.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I don't think people normally clap, but it was. It
was very surreal.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
It was very oh my gosh, what happened. And then
you know, we I'm like, I have to hear that again.
It was just so good, just so proud of her,
of what she said and the way she articulated it
was was perfect.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I am going to play some of your daughter speaking,
But as I'm looking at the two of you sitting there,
so close together, connected, clearly connected. You know, when marriages
face the slightest problem, like you don't have enough money,
or there's an illness in the family, or just any
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number of things, marriages break apart. But under the single
word first thing that could happen to a mother and
a father, the death of your child, which most of
us can't even imagine. You too, same, even stronger, you see,
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even closer. How is that happening, Christy?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I honestly it has brought us closer, just because the
pain and the anxiety that we have had are especially me.
Steve has just been so amazing. He's been so gentle
with me. He's given me grace, He's given me time
to heal.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
You know, what do you need? Can I help you?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
And you know I tried to be that person for
him as well, and you know, I sometimes I just
need a hug when he gets home. I'm like, I
just need a big hug, and he just wraps his
arms around me, gives me this big old hug, and
I just feel better. And I mean he's been my
it has been for almost thirty years, and you know,
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five kids, and he's the epitome of an amazing man,
an amazing father, amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Husband all wrapped up in one. I was blessed.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know what's interesting. So many things about you two
are interesting, and so many millions of people have been
watching you at a distance, and I'm just so honored
that I get to actually talk to you, not just
watch you in a courtroom or on a camera. Mister Gonsalves,
you have been very outspoken, very outspoken throughout this entire nightmare,
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and a lot of people have attacked you. I don't
get it. Do you even care what they say? I
hope not.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Now it just rolls right off my shoulders. I play
support my whole life. I'm used to like constructive criticism,
so that'll take to heart. And you know, sometimes I
will misspeak or I'll say something.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
That you know I'll take back because I got I
got my facts wrong.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
But I'm defending my children and my daughter and my wife,
so I don't really take to heart them. I know
that there's going to be some people who side with,
you know, the other side, and I just I just
keep it at that.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
I think they have.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
More in harmony with evil than they do good, and
their actions reflect that, so I don't waste my time
on them.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Well, our family, the Grace family, has a very old saying,
screw them and the horse they rode in on. So
that's my legal advice to you. I'm want to circle
back to your daughter, who was absolutely amazing. You know what,
that doesn't just happen. She's amazing because you raise her
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to be amazing. She didn't just come out that way.
She has had years of you, you as her example.
What am I talking about? Listen?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You thought you were exceptional all because of a grade
on a paper. You thought you were elite because your
online IQ test from twenty ten told you so. All
of that effort just to seem important.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's desperate.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
There is a name for your condition, though your inflated
ego just didn't allow you to see it.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Want to be.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You act like no one could ever understand your mind.
But the truth is you're basic. You're a text bookcase
of insecurity disguised as control. Your patterns are predictable, your
motives are shallow.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You are not profound. You're pathetic.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
You aren't special or deep, not mysterious or exceptional. Don't
ever get it twisted again. No one is scared of
you today. No one is intimidated by you, No one
is impressed by you.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
No one thinks that you.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You are important.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You orchestrated this like you thought you were God. Now
look at you begging a courtroom for scraps. You spent
months preparing, and still all it took was my sister,
and as she you work so hard to see him
dangerous but real control doesn't have to prove itself.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I love her. Did you have any idea what she
was going to say? Christy?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
No, no, we didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
We didn't share our speeches with each other because we
didn't want to influence them, and we were writing them
up to the minute, literally like editing and adding and
taking away.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
So no, she got up there and she flipped the table.
I mean she flipped it all upside down.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
We were like, oh, oh, my goodness, you know, and
she she did great. People love her, and you know,
we love her. She's our oldest girl, our oldest child,
and she's been through a lot with us, you know,
being the oldest. So she's very resilient, she's very brave,
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she's the best big sister to all the kids, and
she's incredibly smart, incredibly smart.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
She blows my mind all the time, all the time.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I just want to play one more time. I've got
so many questions for you, but I just got to
play one more tiny snippet of your daughter.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
The truth is the scariest part about you. It's how
painfully average you turned out to be. The truth is
as dumb as they come, stupid, clumsy, slow, sloppy, weak, dirty,
let me be very clear, don't ever try to convince
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yourself you mattered just because someone finally said your name
out loud. I see through you.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You want the truth.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Here's the one you'll hate the most. If you had
attacked them in their sleep in the middle of the
night like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked yourss.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Thank you, thank you, and all over the world people
joined in that applause. She's amazing. Steve, did you have
any idea what she was going to say before she
said it?
Speaker 6 (09:24):
I did know a little bit of details.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
We kind of did. We talked about topics, and she
said she wanted to use his questions against him, and
we all had that same idea. We thought about that,
but she earned it, she needed that, and I was
glad to give that to her, and that was her
talking point. So that was the kind of collaboration we did.
But I think when you see here you have a
glimpse of who Kaylee was as well. And when you
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hear my son he was speaking as well. When you
see the two kids, you see who these kids, who
Kaylee was, And that was our best way of showing
the world what had been stolen from us. He was
very average, but his victims were exceptional, and that's what
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we wanted to convey. That's what we were missing, and
we wanted the world to know about that, like what
we're missing and what kind of a person she.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Was miss Right now, seemingly every headline is about b
K Brian Coburger, what he's going through, what his complaints are,
where he's housed. I'm so overhearing about Brian f ing Coburger.
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I want to talk about the victims. Victims all over
the world are watching you and getting strength from you.
I remember the moment that I turned into a crime victim,
the moment I knew my fiance had been murdered. I
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was standing at a payphone and I could talk, but
I couldn't dial the numbers. My hand was like a
moth trying to get to the flop to the light.
I couldn't punch the numbers. I remember it exactly when
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Missus Gonsalves did you know, without a doubt, something horrible
had happened.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It was Sunday, November thirteenth.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
We were all here watching the football game, and my
niece called me and she told me that something terrible
had happened to Kaylee, her cousin or her husband's cousin
went to you and I and something was going on,
and she believed that Kaylee was dead.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
And I threw my phone across the room and I
started calling.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Kaylee and her was going straight to voice Belfore I
started calling Maddie and nothing. So I called Olivia and
got Olivia on the phone and had told.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Her what was going on.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
But we're still trying to stay calm, saying it's going
to be okay, it's going to be something just is wrong. Well,
as hours went by and we called police stations and
hospitals and.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We got nothing, no information.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
But we see her house on TV and it's purten
off with yellow tape. I knew, I knew in my
heart that something terrible had happened, but for sure when
the sheriff showed up around five and came to the
door and told us there was four homicides.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Mississ go salmis, what do you mean? Because I knew
Keith was dead before they said he's dead. I knew
when you said you knew in your heart, how did
you know in your heart? And what was that feeling?
How did you know? And I've heard many many other
violent crime victims say the same thing they knew before
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they were told.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Well, I knew just because of my niece calling me.
You know, she's a very responsible adult, she's a mother,
she's a nurse. I knew that Sabrina would not have
made that call.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
To me had she not new ad facts.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
So I knew, even though, like we didn't have confirmation.
But I kept telling Olivia and the kids.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
She's gone. She's gone, guys, I don't.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
You know, we don't know what happened, but you know,
And we're running around the house frantic.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I'm crying, everybody's crying.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
We're trying to get in touch with somebody to get answers.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And I kept.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Saying, the sheriff will come. If it's true, the sheriff
will come. And it was that evening and I looked
out my front window and I saw the sheriff pull up,
and I said, the sheriff's here, and I took off
to my bedroom. I ran to my bedroom and everybody
answered the door, and I came back out about a
minute later and stood here at the front door and
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ask them what happened, you know, And he said it
was a homicide. And I said they were murdered. And
I asked if one of them was Maddie, because at
that time the thing started clicking, that could possibly Maddie
because she hadn't answered.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Me all day long.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
And they said yes, and we said how and they
said we can't.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
We don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Here's a card called this person in the morning, and
we're like, should we go down there?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Said no. I said what are we supposed to do?
What do we do? And he said, just call in
the morning.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I'm trying to I feel like I'm seeing it all
play out right in front of me right now. I
remember I was holding this big stack of school books.
I had just come out of a statistic exam, and
I remember dumping, just dropping everything, and it was so unreal.
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You said, he ran out into the yard. Do you
remember that moment? Where did you think you were going?
What were you going to do?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Well?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I actually ran to my bedroom and I just as
soon as I saw that sheriff call up, I just
I was I don't know, I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I didn't want to hear it. I was running away.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I just ran back to that room, and you know,
I just I was crying and it just all hit
me like this is not a weird situation. This isn't
and you know, Kylee's gone, even though I had know,
like I knew all day, but I didn't know. It
was just hard to explain, but in my heart I
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felt it and it was just the finality, like this
officer is here and he's here for a reason, you know,
And it just it was your whole body hurts, like
everything just aches, like your fingertips, your your toes, your knees,
you get shaky, like that really happens, like the shaking
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and the knees, and it's real. And I think at
that point I went into shop, and I think that
shock lasted for quite a while for me. I don't
remember a whole lot after that. I have pretty big
gaps my memory.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Steve, do you remember her running running to the bedroom
and hiding when the LA Law enforcement came up the driveway?
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Yeah, I remember her running that way.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Aubrey went up the steps and she went on her
computer and she started. We just at first, we thought
of it was just like a rumor, some drama, some
fake thing amidst college town parties happened, kids do pranks.
We thought there was something else going on, at least
I did. That's why we're like, if the cop shows up,
then you know that's not a prank, that's this is
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something serious. And even then I still couldn't fully understand what.
You know, you don't know what death is unless you're
familiar with it, and we weren't. This family hadn't been
struck like that. So yeah, we missed that door right
there behind us and opened that up, and there's a
sheriff there I had never seen before in.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
My life and Coutney County car and.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Thankfully he gave us a little bit more information than
we had had at that point, and he cleared up
the fact that it was a homicide or that, and
Maddy was involved as well, And we knew Mattie's mom
was on the way down there, so we were like,
do we call her?
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Do we let her know that.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
They weren't going to they already told us, so we
couldn't go down there and see them. We couldn't go
down there and pick.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
Her up or anything like that. So mean's ongoing investigations.
So we just sat in.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
The house and just thought of ways to get a
hold of people that had been around the children in
the last twenty forty eight hours and figure out going on.
Was this some random act of violence?
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Was this what was this.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Just shooting from a party? Was it the night?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I just you know, yeah, we just know people are
saying it was betanol and you know, all the factors
that would go around, so and you know, they wouldn't
even tell us any details. I mean, it was months
before we actually eve knew how they were killed, so
it was very frustrating. We got the vandal alert that.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Told us that there was four homicides.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Before we even knew what was going on, So they
knew before we knew.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Just trying to imagine everything that you're saying, and the
officer gives you a card when you go, well, what
do we do because we'll just call them in the morning.
It's almost like a bank with bankers hours. You can
get back to them in the morning. So what do
you do all night long? When you have this knowledge?
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You can't go there, there's nothing you can do there.
What do do you do that night?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I did not sleep at all that night because after
what we were, you know, going through. I also called
Olivia and she lives down in La and she threw
her kids in the car, and her and her husband
jumped in the car and they drove up here. So
they drove through the night. That was about five six
o'clock at night when they left LA. It's a twenty
hour drive, so you know, I was worried about them
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driving all night, you know as well, and I just
couldn't sleep, and I just my mind just it went crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I went crazy.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Yeah, we knew that Gayle had mentioned being stopped, even
right up until the weeks that this had came up
to that, so I felt like we I kind of
wanted my family to be focused on something other than
just the devastation. So I was like, you're finding that information,
get a hold of a neighbor. And the more information
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that we found, it just felt like that was at
least something to grab, that's something we could control, go
away from just being victims to being investigators of what
happened to our child. And we did find out a
bunch of things that those forty eight hours from people
that were just reaching out and saying, hey, you know,
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this is what I know. I was right across the street,
this is what's going on, Yeah, and were just looking there.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I remember what you said, Steve.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
Listen, within hours, within hours, we had your white car
on a camera.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
We knew, we knew from the very beginning, we had you.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Police officers tell us within minutes they had your DNA
like a calling card. You were that careless, that foolish,
that's stupid, master degree.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
You're a joke, complete joke.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
With Nancy Grace. So at the very beginning, Steve and Christy,
you were already focusing or trying to focus off the
pain and focus on what happened and finding the truth.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yes, because Jack actually wound up coming here because he
left Moscow and he came here, and.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Obviously he was there at the scene.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
And stuff, so he had heard what Dylan was seeing.
So once he told us that because, like I said,
the officer said that it was a homessidea were murdered.
But then Dylan was saying, there was a mass man
in our house, and and you know, there was somebody
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in the tree and all this stuff, and it quickly
was clear that this sounded like a stranger murder, you know,
not like somebody that knew or whatnot. So it really
changed things. It felt like a huge I mean just
a huge violation and we just were like, we've got
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a murder that And at that time before I just
kind of thought they were going to get him. You know,
it was some kid he went and he shot up,
shot up the house or something, and they got you know,
he's walking down the street. And I just kept waiting
for the news to say they've rested somebody.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
They rested somebody.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
And when Jack told us that, I was kind of like,
you know, this sounds a little different than whatever we're
thinking type of murder.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, I mean, you're right, because we were all led
to believe Steve and Chris say that, oh they died
in their sleep. That is not what happened at all.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Steve, you don't expect the prosecutor to lie to you,
and we were lied to. All the parents were lied to.
We weren't given the details. They're asking us to make
a decision on life or death, and they're not even
given us the details of our own children, let alone
the whole.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Circumstance of what happened to them. I know for a fact.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
That's when one of the mothers heard what happened to Kayley,
she said, this would have changed everything. So it was disgusting.
You know, and they kept saying stuff like crime of
passion and ounce or a party house. We're like, what's
going on here. I'm literally watching the surveillance of this
this road and this car keeps flying around this house
over and over again.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
They were clearly stocked. I don't care what the prosecutor.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Maybe he can't prove it because he can't. He's just
not that good. But they were clearly stocked. He was
there multiple times. The officers were distracted with given miners
and possessions when they really when they're literally filming the
house that these kids get murdered in. I mean, it's
that town has to clear up some priorities and realize that,
you know, noise complaints and alcohol is only a part
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of their job, and they need to make sure that
they're protecting these kids if they if they want to
keep doing business.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I was stunned when I heard there was going to
be a plea. I remember the moment, I'm like, what
a plea? I want to circle back to something you said, okay, Kelly,
and we heard dribbles about this at the beginning, had
stated that she was being stalked, okay, but then the
prosecution says there was no stalking. We have no evidence
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of stalking. I mean, how many times can we place
that Elantra stalking the king wrote address and Kelly knew
she was being stalked. So that is a lie. You stated,
the DA lied to you. I believe that because there
was no way the parent all the parents would have
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acted like they were going along with this plea if
they had known what we're learning now with all these
videos and body cam and crime scene photos coming out,
that is not what everybody was told happened.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yeah, thirteen incidents assue before this individual was let go
or defunded, whatever that, whatever spin these universities want to
put on it. This guy was a nightmare, throwing up
red flags everywhere. And those are the type of details
that we gotta. We got to force our courtrooms to
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be more honest, and we shouldn't be seling things up
in a case like this. I mean, it's not national security,
it's getting abused. They're abusing.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
These rules that they say, oh, we got to protect.
They didn't have anyone to protect.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
They didn't even have the guy until almost seven weeks
and they were still hiding everything.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
So it was just a lie. And you know when
you call.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
What were they hiding?
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Just telling us our child was stabbed brutally? You know
how many times?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
How many times?
Speaker 4 (25:49):
We just learned the day or the day before the sentencing,
how many times Kaylie had been stabbed?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
White a minute. I am stunned because she was stabbed
so many times they could not identify her, and you
just learned about that when the plea was set to
go down.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
We learned about it after.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
The plea the day before the sentencing because they lifted
the gag orders.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
So the detective said that they would.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Talk to us.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
So we talked to them briefly, and we had questions
about Kaylee. You know, how many times was she stabbed?
I mean, none of that's not in her on her
death certificate. The coroner never told us. She just said
around twenty is what she said. So we really didn't know,
and we didn't know where. So we asked them that
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and they told us they told us thirty eight times,
and then we were like okay, and they said Kaylie
had really bad damage to her mouth, and I asked
them if her teeth were intact, and they told me no.
And then the day of the sentencing, the docs were dropped.
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The Moscow docs were dropped, and the next day we
were driving home and I was reading some of them
and I read that Kaylee was they couldn't yeah, unrecognizable,
and that was that word the will forever like trauma
traumatized me.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I didn't expect that.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
And then to read another report that said the same thing, unrecognizable,
and then to read a third report that said he
wasn't sure what he was really looking at because the
facial structure had been so badly damaged.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
So that's why we were discussed with this prosecution team.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I mean, and we did not know any of that
for two years and nine months. We did not know
that because of.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
The GAD order.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
And they're telling us, are you okay with us giving
them life in prison? We're like, no, we're not. And
the people who are they don't know what we know,
and we don't know what they know. I don't know
what happened to their child. They don't know what happened
to mine. It was a protective business over the victims,
over justice. We're still fighting with it. I mean, we're
still fighting with it to this day because we're hearing
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details that he was following girls out to their car,
and one of the professors said that this guy's going
to be a problem that he gets his PhD. He's
going to harass students, he's going to freaking abuse his power.
All the things that we suspected that were going on.
We find this out afterwards while they go on a
media tour. They only told us so they could go
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do a media tour and tell all you guys. So
they're like, well, we have to tell them before we
tell the world. So basically, twelve hours earlier, they tell us,
and then they grab a microphone and tell the world
that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I'm I'm just so stunned at how this was, how
this went down on you. And there's something about the
victim's face, because I know I'm projecting. Keith was shot
five times in the neck, the face, the back, and
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I tried not to think about it because it throws
me into a horrible depression because I think about the
bullets tearing through his face. He had these beautiful blue eyes,
and I wonder were they shot, what happened? Did he
feel it when you learned how many times she had
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been stabbed in the face? Were you full of rage?
Were you full of tears. What went through your mind
when you learned the truth too late?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
So we actually learned all the truth from her autopsy report,
and we were given her autopsy report.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
On a thumb drive during the sentence.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
The investigator walked into the courtroom that day and said,
and we had to arranged that, and he said, here's
the autops report. So in reading that autops report, we
found out that Kaylie had been stabbed twenty four times
to her face and head. She had eleven to her chest,
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neck and like torso area, and three to her upper extremities.
So I thought about her eyes too. I was like,
was her eyes stabbed? But somehow or another, Kaylie's eyes
had not been stabbed. Kaylee did have really bad facial damage.
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She or some of her teeth were we're missing, several
were broken, and she had two subdural hematomas to her head, so.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Her nose was broken badly.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Yeah, So that for me, it was outrage because my
daughter was fighting up to her very last breath over
and over. She kept trying to get out of that
bed and he was just drilling her and she's fighting
for her last breath. And I got this old Santa Claus,
who's just thrown out a white towel, just saying, oh,
let's just make it all go away. And I want
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these type of killings to stop, and you don't do
that with weak prosecutors.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
And this man is extremely bad at his job.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
And just yesterday we asked AI what are the safest
countries in the world, And out of the top ten,
every single one.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Of them have the death penalty.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Well eight of them have the capital So for somebody
to think that capital murder doesn't work, well, the safest
countries in the world use it, and they don't use
it like how we are in America. It's just a
bargaining chip.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, Idaho has it.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
But our guys have been there for a long time
and we knew, we knew this wasn't going to happen fast.
He was going to be on death row. It's the principle.
He deserves to ultimately die. Now, maybe he's going to
die of natural causes or just because he gets old
in there, but we were hoping because they just brought
back to the firing squad that here, and I know
things were going to pick back up and they were
going to start, you know, executing these murderers and these criminals.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
That are on death row.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
But we knew it wasn't going to be anytime soon.
We didn't think they were just going to take him
out back and shoot him. I mean, that would be great.
But even if it was exactly how they told us,
they were just sleeping in their beds, they probably never
even woke up, and they were just stabbed.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
To death, little package of bow.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
On it, we still would have wanted the death penalty,
you know, we still would We wanted it from the
very beginning.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
As soon as we found out that.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
They were is that you were led to believe, Christy,
did they Because that's what I was led to believe.
That they were attacked in their sleep and they were
basically dead before they could even wake up.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Yes, And then they went to those parents and said,
this is what it is. Do you want to make
a deal. I mean, that's what it is. No, they
didn't know little shoes punch or face was crushed in,
or teeth or not. They didn't give those just because
they knew it would be enraging and then they would.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Have a problem. So the truth was a problem. Truth
was a problem for the prosecutor, and I don't like it.
I don't like it one bit.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
You stated that you are still fighting about it. Number one,
God bless you and give you strength because you're going
to need it for the rest of your life. You
were going to be scrutinized, you were going to be followed,
you were going to be photographed. Everything you say is
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going to be parsed and analyzed and attacked. But you
said you're still fighting.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
How trying to get We're still trying to get them
to release documentation. They told us that when as soon
as we were out of court, they were going to
give us all of the discovery. Just two days ago
they sent us an email and said, no, that we
have to go through it as.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
The the freedom of information at it.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And we were in a meeting with you are kidding me,
They're making you file a four your request for the documents.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Yeah, these people don't.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Two days ago because we kept saying where's our because
they told us they would.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Give it to us, They said that we'll give you
all a discovery and Channon.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Said they're not going to have to go dig for
it and get in line with everybody else, and they
said no, no, no, no, no, nope, we'll give it
to them, and we keep on asking, and then two
days ago, beyond email said you're just gonna here's the
links you need to get on here and you need
to file these forms and these requests and there you go, which.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
Which I did.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
And then it came back and said we can't find
any records on Kayle. And I was like, all right, guys,
tell me what department FBI has, Like, let's you see
over ten and it's probably closer to twenty.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
And I didn't know what department.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
I went for Criminology, Justice, I believe is where I
did for you, and they said this is the wrong department.
So I went back to them and said, can you
at least tell me what department I'm getting a Freedom
of Information Act on? And they're like, uh, we don't
have anyone to even talk to you to.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
Know, so they don't even know. And I'm like, you
guys are clowns. You guys are clowns.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
This you should be you should embarrassed to be this
bad at your job. And I'll hold you accountable. And
I think every family, when you lose your child, you
have to like expect the most when you're talking about.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Life and death.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
You have to you have to take charge situation. There's
going to be a time for you to struggle and
be a victim. But if you can rally up and
then go into that system and say and demand justice
and demand that.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
Your child is treated as fair.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
As possible, and you'll feel better when it's all said
and done.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
You know, it's never going to bring them back.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
And I literally had a judge scream at me, you're
we're not going to bring her back, and I was like,
I don't That's not what this is about.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
This is about you guys doing everything by the book.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
This is like you.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Judge told you you're not going to bring her back.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Yeah, yeah, yelling at me, telling me he didn't want
me to talk to the media anymore. And I said, well,
that's that's not going to happen. I'm going to talk
to media every single time I want. He basically said,
well then we'll never have a trial.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
He in a close hearing.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I can't believe. I judge told you how you're supposed
to be and you can't bring her back. That is
not appropriate for a judge to tell a grieving parent
you can't bring her back. Let's just let it go.
It's not going to bring her back. It's not about
her back. It is about justice.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, he actually said, he was talking. We all were
in the courtroom or on.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Zoom, all the families, and he actually said, and the
goods all this family, especially the dad needs to shut
his mouth.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
And he said, I don't. I don't agree with that.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
And he said, I don't care if you don't agree
with that. And Steve said, well, I mean, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Me, I'm fighting for justice for my daughter.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
And he says, do you think that that you're going
to bring her back?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Doing this all is talking to the media is going
to bring her back? And Steve goes, no, I mean
I know that that's not going to bring her back.
But you know I still have a voice, you know,
And well.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Does he get off saying it's not going to bring
her back to you who have lost your precious pearl.
And he is telling you to speak? Are you not
to speak?
Speaker 5 (37:12):
I mean I still had a son at that college.
There was another victim's sister that went to WSU. We
had we had lives still on the line making sure
that that place was protected. And when we're sitting there saying, hey,
we need to know the facts. We need to know
where they stop, what's going We have kids still going
to school here, and they're just like, no, you don't
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have the right to know anything.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, did you say the other parents were duped? Do
you think the other parents were duped? They didn't understand
the facts where they agreed to that play.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
So the plea.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
They set up a meeting with us via zoom, our
whole family on a Friday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It was like an hour and a half.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Long, and we talked about logistics of trial becauespecially of themecurity,
where we're going to park, how we're going to have
to phone in every day and tell who's coming, and YadA.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
YadA, YadA YadA.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Our car had already been vandalized in their parking.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Lot the Late Ada County, So we're like, how.
Speaker 6 (38:12):
Do we make sure this doesn't happen anymore? Guys?
Speaker 4 (38:14):
And ironically, that day that we went to court, there
was a bunch of pro Burgers on the other side
sitting behind Brian doing this and hmmm on the camera
and or we vandalized.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
We're like, so, speaking of.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
The pro Burgers, you know what I have in my hand,
all of Coburger's complaints. I know it's kind of irrelevant.
All that matters is Kelly is gone and her friends
are gone, and he murdered them, and we're paying for
his three hots and a cot. That's what matters. And
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is there any way under God's son that it can
be fixed? But I find it ironic that he is
filing complaints that he is being threatened sex harassment through
the air vent, like he was the one looking up
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online attacking and raping women in their sleep, when they
were drugged, when they were passed out, when they were comatose.
That's his fantasy. That's why he broke in that night
when he assumed the girls would be asleep. He's whining
that Mommy, they're threatening me through the air vent and
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there he's actually I love this one that he's complaining
about the food on his tray and his nutritional value
of his food, and he refers to bringing the food
like a butler. The service just hasn't been that hasn't
been that good.
Speaker 6 (39:55):
He's the property of Idaho now and he's going to
get worse.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
To you that. I, like you said, I think it's
very ironic. I'm like, you know, for him to get
there and so quickly start complaining and even throwing out
other inmates' names and CEO names. It's like you were
in prison. I mean, do you like this is not
his forte? I mean, his forte is to kill, but
not to be killed. You know, his forte is to
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you know, possibly I mean he didn't rape any of
our kids, but possibly rape but not get raped. I mean,
you know, it's good for the goose, is not good
for the gander here, you know. And I think it's
just so ironic that he is complaining with written complaints
and saying this inmate so and so so is doing
this to me and saying this to me and this,
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and and he expects them to come and save him.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
Yeah. Yeah, well they've they've been beating him, and we
paid our prisoners. And when when you become the property
of a state, you should lose your constitutional rights. You
shouldn't have all these rights as if you were a
tax paying citizen doing your best job, going to work
every single day. We got to we've got to fix
some of these things. And we have been talking with legislators,
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you asking of us things that we've done. We're not
going to take this lightly. We're we're going to do
everything from a victim's perspective. We've become advocates and witnesses
for our kids, and we're trying to change it. And
I think you guys can see that that's that went
all the way down to you, my daughter in the
courtroom going after him and letting them know that we're
not just going to be victims that you can keep
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down and keep trying to hurt, you know.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
I do also think that they really up the Annie
taking them to prison, which is what we were hopeful for,
because I think that lay Talk County Jail was a
kkewalk and then and then Ada maybe.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Got little Mayberry. It was myberry. I couldn't believe that
this guy's kind of how a tablet. He can't watch movies,
he can communicate with the outside world. I guarantee you
just give it a minute until people think this has
died down. He is going to zoom at some symposium.
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He's going to be have this weird cult following like
you mentioned the pro Burgers. He can write a book.
There's no son of Sam laws in Idaho. I don't
believe he can even get married. I mean, I feel
like running out in the street and screaming.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
I think I just read somewhere the other day, which
I know I did, that does one of the Meninda's
brothers have a child?
Speaker 6 (42:32):
Yes, he has a daughter.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Even your vander Slut, you know, Jorn vander Slute that
murdered two young girls, murdered Natalie Holloway and Stephanie Tasciana
Florides under similar circumstances as judge Daddy protected him. He's
had not one but two babies behind bars. He drinks,
he does drugs, he smokes, he gambles. It's like an
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insane But again, screw them and the horse they rode
in on. I want to talk about what, if anything,
can be done now, starting with do you believe the
other families were duped? If they had known the truth,
would they have gone along with the plea?
Speaker 2 (43:14):
I can't say one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
But the thing is, I don't want to speak on
behalf of them by any means.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
But I don't.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
Think that the other families necessarily wanted the truth.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
They didn't want to be lied to, but they didn't
want details. And we did.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
We weren't just like Okay, she was seventy at the round.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Twenty, We're like, how many you know where?
Speaker 4 (43:39):
And because I do talk to Mattie's mom, and Maddie's
mom is like please please please, like I don't you know,
so I don't say anything to her. When I speak
to her about you know, what happened, She's like, I
don't read that stuff. I don't I don't watch it.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Our thing is we have kids, you know.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
We have two that are older, we have two that
are younger, and you can't tell them this day on
social media for the rest of their lives. And I
don't want one of them opened up TikTok and seeing
cremsy photos of their sister or bodycam.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
So we were like, we're trying to stay one ahead.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
And as a mother, even if I didn't have children,
I would still as much as it has traumatized me,
I would still want to know what happened.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
I want I want to know what happened.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Top to body Christy, isn't it true? You basically got
an email saying, hey, we got a deal.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Yes on a Sunday Sunday afternoon. They sent it at
four fifty three pm. We happen to see what happened
to be checking his email a little later, around six
or so.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
And he said what and we lost our minds.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
We immediately emailed them and said we need to talk
like now, like what has this been sent yet?
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Have you offered it yet? What is going on?
Speaker 4 (44:50):
They sent us an email the next morning and said
we can meet at three today and we said, you
didn't answer, has this been sent already? And they said yes,
it was sent yesterday evening to the defense. And so
we met with them at three that day on Monday,
and the plea had already been accepted, and we lost
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our minds.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
We were in that meeting.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
I mean we were screaming, we were cussing, we were yelling,
we were.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Saying why did you do this? How did you do this?
You know what happened?
Speaker 4 (45:21):
You just talked to us on Friday and told us that,
you know, you had every anticipation of taking this all
the way. We talked about port I mean we talked
about a plea deal for like a like a second
and he just said, oh, I think that they might
be wanting one, but we have no reason to give
them one.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
You know, why would we? And we're like, yeah, right,
why would we?
Speaker 4 (45:47):
And he said, how do you guys feel about a
plea deal, and we're like no, no, no, no, no
no no.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Boom moved on.
Speaker 5 (45:53):
Yeah, he accepted the plea deal within the same hour
that he got it. This man never wanted to fight
for our children, literally, I mean it. They fought for
their lives, for their very last breath, and this man
had no fighting it.
Speaker 6 (46:06):
They fought hard all.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
The way to the end, and he gave up within
an hour of being given an opportunity.
Speaker 6 (46:12):
To quit on these kids.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
And that's the kind of prosecutor that you got to
get you. You got to get him out. You got
to get real prosecutors in Idaho. We've got some jobs
to do. We got some work to do there.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Yeah, you have to have a prosecutor that if you're
in depth inally state believes in capital punishment.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
It's not your will, the victims will. If they don't
want it, then fine. But we had four people and Bill.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
Thompson has never talked to us since that phone that
zoom meeting that we had, and we were just like,
oh my gosh, I can't believe that you did that.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
You man. He's never talked to you since he's been
all over the media. But he hasn't talked to you.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
When we did get a briefing, it was from the investigator,
the two investigators, and.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Ashley Jennings the deputy, but Bill Tump because I mean
we were going after him. I mean, our whole family
was in different media windows and we were all just
coming at here.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
We were just like Bell, like how could you do this?
Speaker 1 (47:11):
So this guy did not have the balls to talk
to you after the deal because he knew he had
done the wrong thing.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
Yeah, I said, did you at least get some details?
Did you at least get find out about the kill kid,
the knife, anything? You go, Steeve, we will never get
those details. You're never going to get those details. It's
not important.
Speaker 6 (47:31):
He's just going to lie to us.
Speaker 5 (47:32):
And I said, you are absolutely idiot. You have no
idea who this person is. He is going to write
a book and I'm going to learn about the sickest details.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
Through his profit book.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
Through its sister, or through some professor, whatever way he
does it.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
I'm going to hear about him. And you're an idiot
for not even knowing who. You're dealing with.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. What do you believe Coburger's
motive was not that the state needs to prove it.
I don't know why they kept talking about we can't
prove motive. It doesn't matter. You don't have to prove
motive in a murder case. But what do you believe
was his motive?
Speaker 4 (48:15):
I think that he had been watching either Kailee or Maddie,
and I don't think the others were involved, and that's
why he went straight up to that room. That house
is so confusing. It's just just a build on from hell.
They just built on and built on and built on
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throughout the years. So it is a very confusing floor plan.
And we know that he went in there very quickly.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
He wasn't you know. He went in and he went out.
Speaker 6 (48:44):
And.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
He may have tried to walk into Keailee's room first,
we don't know.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
And Keeley's mid was empty, so he's like, I'm going
into Xantas or Maddie's. And maybe he went into Maddi's
and then got mad because Keaylee woke up and was like, oh,
there's two in here. But I think it was some
sort of an obsession, some sick, sick, twisted, you know, stalking.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Maybe he hated one of them, Maybe it was both.
I think it was hate.
Speaker 6 (49:15):
There was no blood on Kayley's door, so that would.
Speaker 5 (49:19):
Lead us to believe he went there first, opened the
door seeing the dog or seeing something, and then said, okay,
there's nobody here. Then he went to Then I'm thinking
he went to ADDIE's room. And you don't see blood
on that door, but the other door downstairs they do
see blood on it, So I think that was We're
just going through this reverse engineering it. We've talked to
(49:40):
detectives and things like that now and we believe that
that's that's explains who he was going for, and he
definitely stopped them. He stopped multiple girls on that hillside.
He's a copycat killer and he just was really poor
at it. And I mean you could look at his handwriting.
He might be a PhDe student and Sylvania, but he
(50:01):
would have.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
Had a wee harder time out here. I mean he
looked like a little kid, like a little fifth grader
write in that paper. So I can't believe that.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
That's Guys, why do you think everybody is attacking Dylan
and Bethany acting like they did something wrong or even
part of the murtyrs. It's insane.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
I hate it.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
We absolutely hate it, and it just I fear and
these girls are so young and for them to have
to deal with this.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
For for forever.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
And I mean, I'm not going to say that the
events that occurred that night were strange. Do we think
they were involved in anyway?
Speaker 1 (50:38):
No?
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Could they have saved the kids if they were there,
called nine one one right then and there. No. But
I mean, but you you know, when you go.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Into fear, you go into that fight or fight mode,
and maybe that was they thought.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
They flew, you know, and they cut up together. It
was very clear.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Interesting about what you said when you were talking about
you saw the LA law enforcement come up in your driva,
you ran to the bedroom. That I mean, it's hard
to explain in the heat of the moment, the fog
of war, why anybody does anything that they do. Why
did I throw all my books down? I don't know
why I did that? Why did you run to the bedroom?
(51:24):
I don't know. Why does anybody do anything? And attacking
those girls is just like more victimization, another thing I know,
you've got to go. I find it really interesting that
Washington State had this long history of his anti woman,
misogynist stalking behavior. And did nothing. That's really interesting. If
(51:49):
he had been thrown out, he wouldn't have even been
there exactly.
Speaker 6 (51:53):
Yep, he should have been thrown out before he ever
killed these kids. That's the truth.
Speaker 5 (51:57):
They should have set a standard and said it, Look,
we don't put up with this in our university. You
cross the line, you're done. It's not even our decision,
it's just your behavior. We're holding you accountable. You should
behave like this. That's the expectations in Washington State University.
Speaker 6 (52:13):
And you either do it or you don't.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
I mean, he had thirteen in the first semester. The
first one came in August, that's the first month that
you come.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
To school, and then twelve twelve after and.
Speaker 4 (52:27):
November I had a huge you know, Thanksgiving break, and
then he didn't even go the whole month of December.
He took off, like December ninth or tenth, and there's
thirteen formal complaints.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
What were they doing?
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Just do with it?
Speaker 4 (52:42):
Following them, stalking them, just being would kind of act
aggressive and stand in doorways from what we've read, and
the girls.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Would have to like walk past them, and like all right, yeah.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
Guy should have been punched in the face. He was
a creep man. He's a disgusting creep the kind of guy.
We even heard about it from the Seventh Iron's bar
where those girls put a little note saying, Hey, if
you get this credit card, watch out for this guy.
I mean, he's been doing this his whole life and
we didn't stand up to him. We need to start
standing up to these type of bullies. And hopefully Idaho
(53:14):
get it right. Hope hopefully this prisoner's in there, they'll
they'll do the real justice.
Speaker 6 (53:18):
They'll they'll have like real.
Speaker 5 (53:19):
Men in there, and they'll handle it the way that
it should be handled in the first place.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Is there any way in your mind that this plea
can be reversed or any way that the fans may
seek the federal death penalty.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
We've heard that and we've seen that a lot of
people have reached out to us instead that you know,
this can happen. But we don't understand why it was
a federal in the first place. I mean, he crossed
the lines to Killy, we drove from Washington. I know,
we never understood why it wasn't a federal case in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
But just like it's don I've another question because a
lot of crime victims are watching me right now. Do
you ever feel Kelly's presence with you?
Speaker 2 (54:10):
I do.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
I do, not as much as I would like, but
once in a great while I do.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
And it's funny because you know, like you're outside in.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
A little ladybuggle, you know, a ladybug will land on
you and you're like, oh, you know, it's buck and
then you're like, lady bug.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
You know.
Speaker 4 (54:26):
So lady bugs really get me because it's not that
common that a ladybug will land on you.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
But Kaylee was a bug.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
She was our bug k bug and we all just
recently got lady bug tattoos.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
But lady bugs are very special and I feel like,
you know. And then here's another thing, is Kaylee was
she loves Stitch when she was a little when she was.
Speaker 4 (54:49):
Born, Stitch just came out the cartoon Stitch the Disney
and so we bought her everything Stitch Stitch, Stitch, Stitch, Stitch,
And it's very ironical.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Since Kaylee passed away, Stitch has been kind of brought back.
They've done a new movie with Stitches, their Stitch stuff everywhere.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
So we'll be in the sore of this and that
we'll be like, and you'll see the most ironic little
stitch figure or stitch stuff animal in this whole mess
of other stuff animals in this little stitch face, and we'll.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Be like, oh my god, scally scaily, you know.
Speaker 4 (55:18):
Just and in the strangest places you'll find a stitch
small or big or big one or something and it's
just like gaily, so stitch and ladybugs.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Guys, how do you speak with a straight face? How
do you keep being so strong? I'm looking at Steve
Gonsalmus and his face is like granite. How do you
stay so strong?
Speaker 5 (55:46):
Because it's so important and I love our country, I
love the state of Idaho.
Speaker 6 (55:50):
I want things to get better.
Speaker 5 (55:52):
I don't want these kind of sick goes to prosper
and for us to for us.
Speaker 6 (55:57):
To win, we need real leaders.
Speaker 5 (55:59):
We need men and real strong women who can stand
up to these people. I'm making them, I'm raising them.
I got some of the strongest girls in the freaking world,
and he killed one of them.
Speaker 6 (56:09):
Hold them accountable. I feel like we've got a job
to do.
Speaker 5 (56:12):
And I think if parents get a little more proactive
and be a little bit more vocal, towards that prosecution.
They can force the media to help hold them accountable.
And I really believe that the government works for us.
I believe that government is servitude. You go in to serve,
You don't go in there for your own opinion. You
(56:33):
might not believe in the death penalty, we don't care.
It's the victims and their families. That's what you should
be negotiating for. You're their vote, You're proxying their will
through into the courtroom, and I think the court's lost
that and we're going to try to bring that back.
I mean, there's a reason why we took our daughter
to Texas. She had a full scholarship. We've said, you're
going to Texas because they honor their victims. They do
(56:56):
everything in their power. Florida's another not that we're going
to have another victim.
Speaker 6 (57:00):
No, no, not happy.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
I don't know if you know this, and these are
not just empty words, but I want you to know,
from the beginning, the very beginning, you are the focus
of so many prayers for you, for your children, for Kelly,
not just for what you have endured, but what you
(57:26):
will endure. And I want to thank you so much
for being with us, thank you.
Speaker 6 (57:35):
Thank you for your audience.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
Thank you, Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,
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Nancy Grace
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