September 19, 2025 • 43 mins
The search continues for Ana Walshe. The young mom of three was supposed to have commuted to Washington, D.C., for her new job.
Walshe works in real estate. She never made it. In fact, it appears she never even got on the flight. Her husband, Brian Walshe, reported her missing three days after Ana Walshe's boss filed a missing persons report.
Police searched the family home and found blood and tools in the basement. Brian Walshe, who was already wearing an ankle monitor after an arrest for art fraud, was arrested again and charged with hindering the police investigation.
Police also found that Brian Walshe bought $450 of cleaning supplies from a nearby Home Depot store the day after Ana Walshe was supposed to be on the DC flight.
Brian Walshe has now been charged with murder. As the case heads to trial a lawsuit has been filed against his mother. The owner of the property the Walshes rented says Diana Walshe, damages damages to the property, including loss of rent and psychological impact.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Philip Holloway- Lawyer and Founder of the Holloway Law Group in Cobb County, GA, Radio host and legal analyst for WSB Radio in Atlanta, Host of “Sworn," a true crime podcast; Twitter: @PhilHollowayEsq,
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills, CA); New Netflix show: 'Bling Empire' (Beverly Hills), @DrBethanyLive
- Ross Gardner- Forensic Consultant, Instructor and Author of “Bloodstain Pattern Analysis With an Introduction to Crime Scene Reconstruction 3rd Ed” and “Practical Crime Scene Processing and Investigation 3rd Ed”
- Dana Kennedy -Senior Reporter, New York Post; Twitter/Instagram: @DanaKennedyLive, Facebook: "Dana.Kennedy"
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Friday Night Special. That's right,
It's Friday Night and it's special.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Does the name Brian Walsh ring a bell? I will
never forget it.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I actually remember his wife better, Anna Walsh. Her body
has never been found and she leaves behind two little
boys to grow up without mommy. Remember husband Brian and
all of his damning computer searches, like, how long does
it take for a dead body to start smelling?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes? Him idiot? On top of being an alleged killer.
That said, the.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Owner of the home where young mom Anna Walsh was
allegedly murdered is now suing Brian Walsh's mother. Yeah, it
just never ends. Not only that is the judge getting
off the case. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
(01:12):
I want to thank you for being with us. Let's
start with the owner of the home where Anna Walsh
was allegedly killed now suing Brian Walsh's mother. Recall, Brian
Walsh allegedly kills and dismembers his beautiful wife Anna. Well,
(01:34):
the owner of that kahas At home where that allegedly
occurred is suing Brian Walsh's mother for four hundred thousand dollars,
claiming the murder and police investigation has damaged and quote
psychologically impacted the property. How do you psychologically impact the property,
(01:58):
the home itself, the yard.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I don't know if anybody wants to ever.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Buy the home, but how is the home psychologically impacted?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
That said the homeowner. Peter Capizzoli filed the lawsuit against
Walsh's mother, Diana Walsh, in Norfolk Superior Court. He is
also suing the property insurance under writing Association for four
hundred thousand dollars, claiming it wrongfully denied him coverage. Now,
(02:28):
according to this complaint, Diana Walsh, the mom, signed a
six month lease okay on the property, later extending the lease.
She allegedly told the owner Capuzzoli, she planned to live
in the home with son Brian, the daughter in law Anna,
and their three children the following January. When Anna's disappearance
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hit the headlines, police soon accused Brian Walsh of foul
pl heavily leaning on those suspicious Google searches and did
I mention he purchased hundreds of dollars of cleaning products
and hardware supplies in the days that followed. That includes
a hacksaw and a hatchet. Police say they found some
(03:18):
of Anna's belongings in a dumpster, and they found a
bloody damaged knife in the basement of that cahac At home.
Now in this complaint, the murder caused quote blood and
human remains to contaminate the home, including the bedroom where
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the murder took place and the basement where the dismemberment.
Oh Lord, have mercy allegedly took place. This is in
the lawsuit, and the homeowner says he had to bring
in a company that specializes in murder scene decontamination at
quote substantial expense. He claims the investigation damaged the property
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with blood detecting chemical luminol staining the walls, mattresses, furniture, commodes, sinks,
and showers okay. He also says that because of the
publicized murder, the property has now been quote psychologically impacted
(04:26):
and substantially decreased its rental and sales value.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
The mom responds Diana walts, and she denies ever living
there and says she was not listed as a guaranteur
and if Capuzoli sustained damages, they were caused by acts
over which she The mom Diana Walsh had no control. Okay,
we'll see where that lands.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Ps. The mom also files the counterclaim. Can you believe this?
Claiming the property did not comply with sanitation codes and
was filled with mold when they moved in. Interesting how
she only figured that out after the murders.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
In addition to all of that, the judge in the
case as now citing a potential conflict. Is she going
to be taken off the case? Judge Diane Frenier informed
all the parties she has a pre existing friendship with
attorney Michael Sullivan, who was recently added to help the
(05:36):
prosecution handle federal material related.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
To this case.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
She describes him as a mentor and former co worker.
She also says she can remain objective, but offered to
let Walsh and his defense attorney consider whether they want
a new judge. Wow, okay, let me jog your memory.
Can listen to our friends at wpr I.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Thirty nine year old Anna Walsh left her home early
Sunday morning. She was supposed to take a flight from
Logan to DC, where she works during the week, but
there's no record of her ever boarding a flight. Polise
there's been reports that she took a ride share. There's
also been no electronic flipprint of her in five days.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Okay, all this starts in Cohasset in Norfolk County, Massachusetts
with me an all star panel to make sense of
what we know. Right now, before I introduce them all,
I want to go to a special guest, Dana Kennedy,
senior reporter with my favorite newspaper, The New York Post.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Dana, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
This just is it's really hard for me to believe
from everything I know about Anna Walsh that she would
leave her three little boys alone.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I mean, have you looked at photos of her.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
There's not really a lot of photos of her and
her family, but she always seems so connected to the children.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
She did seem connected to the children and Nancy. At
the same.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Time, I felt it was a little bit.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Strange she got this new job in Washington, DC and
she had like a smaller part.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Okay, well wait wait, wait, wait wait wait.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Dania Kennedy, you happen to have a lot of information,
and you're like the fire hydrant of news.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
It just comes out so fast. I've got it, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I like to make flow charts right, and I can't
really write that quickly. Now, hold on, new job? What
was new job?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Her new job was as a real estate executive with
a Washington, DC based firm.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Hold On, you know what.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I knew she was in real estate and she's fairly successful,
but I didn't know it was a new job. Now
let me think that through. So she's living in Cahassett
and the job. Is it based in DC or does
she just have to go there occasionally?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
It's based in DC?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Uugh, Okay, that's tough, even though that's not a long trip, Dana,
you're familiar with the I call it the second LaGuardia
where there is an airport that just does shuttles.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
They do from LaGuardia, New York to.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
D C. Right, they used to do one from LaGuardia
to Boston. It's really quick and the only flights leaving
the Marine Terminal as it was called, are just those
couple of few cities, and it's like a hot jump
and a skip.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So is that true? From Cohasset?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I guess you'd take the Boston airport to d C's
how far is that of a flight?
Speaker 5 (08:29):
It's only about an hour. I mean, I actually come
from Massachusetts in one of the one of the towns
involved is my hometown. In this case, it's really only
an hour flight, but it's at least an hour from Cohasset.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
To Logan Airport.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Yeah, and you know, once you get to Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
It's you know, you have to.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Get into the city, so it's a hot jump, but
it still takes time.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You know. That's so true about every floor every trip.
You's say, oh, it's just an aer flight, but by
the time you leave early to get to the airport
an hour or two early.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So you know, in case they are a lines.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
By the time it's all said, none, it's like four
or five hours, no matter how.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You slice the bread.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
At least I'm just thinking about her. So now her
new job is based in d C. Would she go
for the whole week? Yeah, well, who's taking care of
the boys while she's gone for the week?
Speaker 5 (09:17):
A husband?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
That's a big stress on a marriage and a family leaving.
If you're gonna laugh, Dana, I swear if I go
one night, and I don't think I'm the most critical
person in the family, but when I'm gone one night,
I come home the whole house looks like.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Bears have been living there.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I look in the children's backpacks and they're full of
like trash. I ask what they have for supper, as
if I didn't know, it's going to be pizza. That's
no vegetables Dana at all. Okay, Well, apparently they had
it worked out, so she leaves the house that morning.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Well, we don't know, that's what he said.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, that's what the hobby says. Tell me. Cahasta, where
they lived.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Cohasset, is a really pretty high end seaside town, pretty posh,
and they were living in a rental because the house
they'd had before actually burned down.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Now, hadn't they already moved out of it when it
caught on fire? Yeah, and some other people were living there.
That's just another wrinkle in this case. So we've got
this gorgeous and I mean gorgeous, thirty nine year old mom,
Anna Walsh, with three boys, ages two, four, and six.
She just takes a new real estate job, but she
has to travel to get there. What was her job
before that, Dana?
Speaker 5 (10:36):
She was basically in hospitality, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
She started off.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Really low level, almost as a cleaning lady. According to
some of my sources, however, she graduated pretty quickly two
hotels like hotels in western Massachusetts and around that area.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Can I tell you something, everybody on the panel, and
Dodger Bethany Marshall is going to love this also with
me in addition to Dania Kennedy, senior reporter with New
York Post. And it's a real honor to have you, Dana,
doctor Bethany Marshall joining me. Psychoallis out of Beverly Hills
at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com and start bringing Empire
on Netflix. Dodger Bethany I tracked down a friend of
(11:18):
Anna's and this is how he met her. He and
his son would often visit the grandmother, his mother in Boston,
and at that time, Anna for years was working at
a high end hotel in Boston, and that is where
Frank and his son Henry would always stay and Anna
(11:42):
would handle their reservation and whatever they needed while they
were there. And she took a particular liking to Henry,
the little boy, the son, and she would always give
him special treats and recommend thanks for them to do
in Boston when they weren't with the mother, Miss Hall,
and over the years they became really good friends, and
(12:06):
she would go out of her way to do things
for Frank, who's a single dad trying to take care
of his son, and she really made a huge impact
not only on him and his son, but other people
in the hotel too, And that really gave me an
insight into her after many many discussions with Frank about
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her because she didn't know them, and she didn't know
the little boy, but went out of her way, above
and beyond any duty at the hotel just to be
genuinely kind and welcoming.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And sincere people she didn't even know, Doctor Bethany.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
You know, Nancy, this is so profound what you're sharing
because she started in twenty fifteen as a recent immigrant,
as Dana said, cleaning rooms, and she advanced quickly, which
tells me that she's a very hard but hard work
did not get in the way of wanting to help others.
It tells me that this is a woman who's capable
(13:07):
of forming attachments, and that's very important for this story
because it means this is not a mother who just
took off, who was unattached to her children, who or
who was unattached to her husband. In fact, going to
the sea for work may have actually been a sacrifice
to be away from her family. So this woman is beloved,
(13:28):
she cares, she's altruistic, she has family and friends around her.
She forms long, long, long term relationships. Someone like this
does not just get in the car and drive away
from their family, right. They don't just find another lover
and you know, leave it all, like we see with
some mothers who are not even bonded with their children,
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so they create a new life and secret. This is
not Anna Walsh. Annah Walsh cared. Anna Walsh was attached.
Anna Walsh was firmly ensconced in a community and in
her relationship.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So what do we know about the morning she apparently
got a ride share of some sort uber or lyft
to the airport for a trip to DC. Now, one
thing I can tell you is this on January one,
when most people are off Take a listen now to
our friends at WUSA.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
A relative told go House of Police at the thirty
nine year old was seen leaving her Massachusetts home around
four a m. On January first to take a ride
share to Logan Airport in Boston.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It never ends with Brian Walsh.
Now his mother is being sued because she apparently rented
the home where the murderer and the disposal of Anna's
body allegedly took place. What I'm asked, you know what,
(14:58):
that's a civil lawsuit. I'm more concerned about whether the
state can prove a murderer.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Is this correct that she had a dinner with friends.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Yes, they had a dinner with one friend.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
One friend. Was that in the home or did they
go out? It was in the home. In the home, Okay,
so the friend and the friends stay every night. No,
but he has been quoted.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Okay, so we know she was there for New Year's Eve,
and okay, I just wanted to back up just a
little bit to confirm the timeline.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Take a listen more from WSA.
Speaker 8 (15:29):
Three days after she was seen leaving her home with
bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Share in Cohasset. We confurther, we have confirmed with the Aions.
Speaker 9 (15:42):
And that's been a challenge, that she did not board
a plane this week.
Speaker 8 (15:48):
Police say her phone has been off and there has
been no activity on her credit or debit cards.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I wanted you to take a listen to more of
what the friend had to say. But first I want
to go to Ross Gardner, consultant and instructor at Bevillgardner
dot com, author of Bloodstained Pattern Analysis with an Introduction
to Crime Scene Reconstruction third Edition.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Wow, I like that's the third edition.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
That means you've got three books that you have revised
about crime scene reconstruction.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And I could talk to you about blood stain pattern
analysis all day long. Ross Gardner, you're a forensic consultant.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Let me ask you this very quickly, if you can
put it in a nutshell for everybody that hasn't had
to do it, how do you confirm whether someone caught
a ride share from a certain address, and how do
you confirm forensically if you're investigating the case whether someone
took a flight out of Cohasset or out of Boston.
Speaker 10 (16:46):
Well, today, in this technology, it's hard to move about
without some level of leaving information behind. I think this
is basic criminal investigation. They would have contacted the lists
and the right share of people, and they have records,
and of course you were not going to go through
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TSA without being recognized unless you're claimed, you know, somebody
were to claim that she were traveling in disguise or
under a false name. So I think that was the
easiest part of the whole deal for the criminal investigators,
just to figure out.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Did she really catch a rye and did she really
have a fly or did she ever even have a
flight booked? Did she have a flight book that she
did catch or did she not even have a flight booked?
You know what this is reminding me of to Dana
Kennedy and New York Post, this.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Name is going to go down in infamy forever. Caitlin Armstrong.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
She was the glam yoga instructor murdering her boyfriend's.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Friend Mariah, Remember her, Mariah.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Wilson, who was a world class dirt and mud biker
who was in town for competition. And the boyfriend got
together with Mariah, you know, for the afternoon and the
next thing you know, she's dead, shot dead in the bathroom.
Remember how they finally traced her and found her in
(18:17):
I think.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Costa Rica was exactly the way.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Ross Gardner just described evidence photos video at the airport
from TSA.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Absolutely I covered that story when it happened and It
was incredible that it sure did. They saw her in
surveillance video at LaGuardia after she flew out of I
believe Austin. But then somehow she was able to get
a fig passport and then she flew out to Costa Rica.
It was incredible that she lasted as long as she did,
and as we know, I think she had dyed her
(18:51):
hair and was making herself look as different as possible.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Kind of knows job. Yeah, so Ross Gardner is right.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I don't know if this young mom ever had a
flight arranged or we just thought she had a flight arranged.
But we now know she didn't take a lift, she
didn't take an uber, no ride share or cab.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
So all right, where is she now?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
We find out there's no activity on her credit or
debit cards, so how is she living? When does she
reported missing? Take a listen our friends at Boston twenty five.
Speaker 11 (19:26):
A Cohaset police log is shedding new light on how
the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting
a well being check was made on January fourth by
a man who identified himself as the head of security
at Honnor Walsh's employer in DC. Tishman Spire. The log
says Tishman Spyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported
(19:47):
his wife missing. It explains that he told police on
a left for DC and he hadn't heard from her since.
According to the log, on his phone last pied on
January second, at three fourteen am in Cohase said and
hit the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohacid, less than
a mile from the family's home.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Okay, all of that was interesting to me, but Dana
and hey, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Philip Holloway, I'm getting to you.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Philip Holloway with me, high profile lawyer or founder of
the Holloway Law Group in Cobb County, radio host, legal
analyst WSB, host of Sworn, a true crime podcast.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I'm getting there, Phil. And remember Philip again, I stold
it everyone before we went to air. We're not having
high tea at winsor Castle. Jump in.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Man, you're certainly not afraid of jumping in in court.
So if you have an idea, jump in. Dana Kennedy,
A lot just jumped out at me. But one thing
is her phone pinged January two at home when she
was supposed to have left the morning of January one.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
What she left without her phone?
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Yeah, nothing makes any sense, Nancy. I mean, and if
she had we were talking about flights earlier. Had she
made an arrangement for a flight, that would have shown
up online somewhere.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Okay to you.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Philip Holloway, lawyer and founder of the Holloway Law Group,
Cobb County, Georgia. Philip Holloway, Why is it her office
reported her missing?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Shouldn't the husband have reported her missing?
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Well, look, anybody who cares about her should have reported
her missing. But look, I think this does make perfectly good.
Speaker 12 (21:31):
Tins And I like you.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Hey, if my husband ever goes missing, remind me hire
Philip Halloway. Of course he can't go missing because I've
got him a life three sixty. I've got him on
this and on that. Man, I know when he's going
to go empty the trash. Actually, really, he's so trustworthy.
When I try to look through his emails, they're so
boring my eyes bleed, So you know I'm actually not
(21:54):
tracking him.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
That said, go ahead, Philip Halloway. Well, look, I think this.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Whole thing does make for good sense because the picture
that's being painted here by the circumstantial evidence All I
said is.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
He didn't report her missing. Man.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
Yeah, this could be the most powerful type of evidence
in court. Circumstantial evidence is great, and the circumstances paint
a picture of someone who has been killed.
Speaker 12 (22:17):
This is a murder case.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
We all know where it's going. The circumstances all point
to that.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I believe you're putting the cart before the horse.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Nobody has said murdered yet.
Speaker 12 (22:26):
I don't think so.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
I think this is where it's.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
All I did.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I say, are you familiar with William Shakespeare, because one
of my favorite quotes.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Is methinks thou dost protest too much?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
All I said was he didn't report her missing, And
you just went crazy about a circumstance of wordcase.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
Well, that's what it is. You know, when somebody says
this doesn't make sense, I have the position that it
makes perfectly good sense. Once you understand that this is
a murder case, it starts to make sense. Everything that
we know and everything that's happened fit's perfectly into that paradise.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Why didn't he report her missing, Philip Holloway.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Because he's afraid of going to prison.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Okay, Well that's certainly one way of putting it. Now,
we have a little, let's just say, inconsistency in the facts.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Take a listen to wb Z.
Speaker 13 (23:10):
WBZ is obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left
by mister Walsh for one of Hona's friends.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
The friend lives in Washington, d C.
Speaker 13 (23:18):
Where Anna works, and tells us the voicemail was left
on Wednesday, that's the same day Anna was reported missing
to police.
Speaker 12 (23:26):
Said Brian Walsh. I hope all is going well. I
was just reaching out to basically everybody I could. Anna
hasn't been in touch for a few days, you know,
anyone that might have that contact with her, just you know,
calling everyone. So I hard to bother you here.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Everything's fine, Okay, no offense to this guy calling people.
But Dana Kennedy, did it sound a little bit like
he's reading a script.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
It sounded a bit like he was reading a script.
And also he was completely nonchalant. I mean, in this
day and age, when someone's out of touch for two days,
you'd be in a total panic. You'd be only every
copy'd be.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Doing everything possible.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
You're so right, doctor Bethany Marshall. I've told you this
story before. But I don't think everybody knows the story.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Let me just tell this real quick, David.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
My husband travels a lot for his job, and typically
when he touched down, he'll text me, and that's great.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I don't need to talk to him. I just like
to know he's safe.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Well, bethany excuse me, doctor Bethany One time he got
to Florida and he texted, I made it, and I'm
going to go do this, this, this, this and this,
and then I'll end up at the hotel around nine o'clock.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, you know what, I never heard from him again.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
And I could just imagine him getting run over in
the parking lot or some nut hitting me in the
head or I didn't.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Know what I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
You know. My coworker d and I stayed up till
four o'clock by snight that night, calling hospitals.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Finally I got the manager to go and not on his.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Door with much much strong arming, and he was in
there and had come home early and fallen asleep.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You can hear the TV in the background. He's like,
totally not doubt. But I was so upset. I was
calling every hospital in the area. I didn't know where his.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Business appointments were so I was trying outlying hospitals. I
know it sounded like a crazy person. I was convinced
something had happened to him. I'm assure didn't sound like
I was writing a script.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
No exactly.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
That's why you just took the words right out of
my mouth. Compare his response with yours.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
He had what we.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Call in my field trite, rehearsed and stereotyped speech. That's
what we put in reports when we're analyzing a patient
who sort of hollow and empty and not believable. Also
somebody who has very little original thinking, so they kind
of they kind of they spout off or they repeat
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eat what they have read somewhere, or what they hear
other people saying.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I hear you. Let's hear that again, Sandney, could you
play that one more time? Where we hear Brian Walsh.
Speaker 13 (26:10):
WBZ has obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left
by mister Walsh for one of Hona's friends.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
The friend lives in Washington, d C.
Speaker 13 (26:19):
Where Anna works, and tells us the voicemail was left
on Wednesday, that's the same day Anna was reported missing
to police.
Speaker 12 (26:26):
Said Brian Walsh, and hopeful is going well. I was
just just reshing out to basically everybody I could. Anna
hasn't been in touch for a few days, you know,
anyone that might have that contact with her, just you know,
calling everyone. So I hard to bother you here.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Everything's fine, okay, So now guys, take a listen to
what police are saying.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
This is WUSA.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
Walsh's friends and family have been cooperating with detectives. The
Realistic executive would spend her work weeks in the district
and weekends with their family and her Massachusetts home, where
local and state officials have brought in their search on
a wall. She's described as a five foot two woman,
weighing one hundred and fifteen pounds. She has brown hair
and brown eyes, and speaks with an Eastern European accent,
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according to police. For now, police say.
Speaker 14 (27:14):
There is no sign a foul play.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
No evidence of foul play. Well, maybe this will jog
the police into action. A fire erupts. Take a listen
to our friends at WCVB.
Speaker 14 (27:26):
Police say she wasn't reported missing until Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
She does work in DC.
Speaker 14 (27:31):
And it's not abnormal for her to.
Speaker 10 (27:35):
You know, work long hours in not.
Speaker 14 (27:38):
Contact the home investigators say her phone's been off since
Sunday and there's no evidence her credit cards have been used,
and the fire at the family's former home only adds
to the mystery.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
We're going to look at everything here, you know, very
strange coincidence.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Straight back out to veteran trial while or Philip Holloway,
While police say no evidence of foul play, now a
fire breaks out at the home.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
They just moved out of.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Do you believe you actually believe in coincidences in criminal law, Phip, No.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Not particularly not in this case. Listen, I think that
there's certainly circumstantial evidence that can be interpreted as signs
of foul play.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
You know.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
Look, not reporting her missing for a couple of days
in and of itself is problematic, and when you add
it to all the other pieces of circumstantial evidence, such
as leaving the house to buy cleaning supplies and the
internet searches and finding the items in the basement.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
So not only do we have a fire breaking out
at their former home, the picture becomes more bleak.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Take a listener, friends at WBTS.
Speaker 15 (28:45):
More bags being brought out of the gohase at home
where missing mom on A Walsh and her family live,
just a day after investigators said they wrapped up their
search for evidence. Their evidence that included the discovery of
blood and a bloody knife in the basement. New video
obtained by ABC ten Boston shows Brian Walsh just one
day after his wife was last seen on security cameras
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at Press, Juice Bar and Norwal. Meanwhile, the NBC ten
investigators have learned a hacksaw and bloody towels were found
during the search of the transfer station in Pebty and
the dumpsters at the Swamscott department complex where Brian Walsh's
mother lives.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
To day, think Kennedy joining us the New York Post,
I guess that changed the course of the investigation.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
What exactly what evidence has been found so far and
where I.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Think there's there's some confusion about that. Early on, investigators
went north of Boston to a place called peebd to
a transfer station. There they found some material that initially
was called evidence or remained and I don't think it's
been specifically outlined at all yet. I don't think they
I mean, they found I believe a bloody knife in
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the in the basement, So a.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Bloody knife and I believe the knife had been broken
to some degree and some blood in the family home.
Not the former home that was burned down, but the
family home where Anna was living with her three boys
and husband.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
And there's more. Listen to NBC TAN.
Speaker 16 (30:14):
Boston police have been collecting surveillance video from several places
Brian Walsh visited after his wife's disappearance. That includes walking
by this dumpster at a liquor store in Swampscott So trying.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
To figure out what exactly happened.
Speaker 17 (30:28):
Doctor Anne Marie Myers used to work at the Medical
Examiner's office and now teaches forensic criminology at Anna Maria College.
She says authorities will fast track everything they have through
the lab, including the hacksaw and the bloody knife, but
some of the details could make.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
The police work difficult.
Speaker 18 (30:46):
There's an indication that there's been some sort of perhaps
dismembering of the body and then disposal echoes. Many cases
that I was involved in where the police were never
able to find human remains.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Ross Garner is joining me for as a consultant. Ross
what does a broken knife mean to you?
Speaker 10 (31:09):
Well, it's unclearest, is it's broken or it's damaged.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
But that would not be.
Speaker 10 (31:16):
Unexpected either through if he used a knife during the
course of the assault or in the course of dismembering.
Dis memories. No an easy task. I think what's more
important at this point will be the DNA and they're
going to have to correlate the knife and those bloodstains
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that they found specifically in the basement back to Anna
and then of course, in that sense there's some belief
that he may have cleaned up the scene. We could
have high expectation that they're doing additional.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
Work such as LCV.
Speaker 10 (31:59):
Or alumino trying to enhance any cleanup activity, because that'll
give you a better sense for you know, is this
just a couple of tiny little bloodstains or was there
a large volume of flood here.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Civil lawsuit or no civil lawsuit, there is a murder
case to be tried. These are the facts we know of.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Now, what can.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You tell me, Dannae Kennedy about a four hundred and
fifty dollars bill at home depot.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Well, when they found the receipt for this there it
was cleaning supplies and I believe there might have been
some rope found. But again pretty suspicious considering his wife
is missing.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I've got Tom Moss tart quickly buckets, various types of
tape and cleaning supplies, all from the.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Rockland home Depot.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
And you know what I love Philip Holloway about Home Depot.
Much like Target, they have excellent surveillance video. I will
never forget. I believe it was Target where top mom
Casey Anthony went while her daughter Kelly was missing.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
There she was in her push up bra buying.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Beer and all sorts of party stuff using somebody else's check.
By the way, while her daughter was missing, she was
not the least bit upset. And I guarantee you there's
going to be home Depot surveillance video of the husband,
Brian Walsh, buying all of his cleaning supplies.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And not only will they find.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Forensically, as they've already stated, a bloody knife and some
blood in the basement, there could be, Tracey says, of
that cleaning supply in the home. A luminol catches so
much that the naked eye misses any blood spatter, any smudge,
any transfer, anything on the wall or the ceiling. A
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lot of times when defendants murder someone, they forget to
look up at the ceiling.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
That's a big booboo, Philip poll Away, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
It is. And I can't think of an innocent reason
for him to be at the home depot at that time,
in violation of his bond, by the way, purchasing four
hundred and fifty dollars worth of cleaning supplies if it's
not something that he normally does, and there's no information
that that is part of this regular routine. So it's
just one more brick in the wall when you add
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it together with all the other circumstantial evidence. And by
the way, speaking of the hack saw, can you imagine
any worse thing to be out there involved in a
case like this? If there's a hacksaw involved, that just
sends the mind into thinking the absolute worst and most
horrifying of outcomes in this case.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
And I got to tell you dand Kennedy New York Post,
It's not like Con Dexter, where the whole floor in
the walls are encased in plastic and then he dismembers
the bad guy and then just kind of thows it
all up and you never find any blood spatter at all.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
It's not like that at all. It's an arduous task.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
It's very hard to dismember someone, and you always leave
behind blood. Plus you've got to get blood off that hack.
So I'll trace back to Anna if that's in fact.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
True, that's right.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
That's it all so incredibly grizzly. And I don't know
how an everyday average guy, which is what Brian Walsh was,
could even figure out how to saw limbs off. I
don't think I could.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
And there's more, guys, take a listen to our friend
Julianne Lima, Boston twenty five.
Speaker 19 (35:54):
We did confirm through sources that investigators did in fact
find evidence in that dumpster that is connected to Ona
Walsh's disappearance. Now, they searched the dumpster here in PBT
for hours last night. State and local police sources also
telling us police tot that shumpster from Brian Walsh's mother's
apartment complex in Swampscot. We spoke to people who live
in that complex who were horrified to learn of what
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may have been put in their trash.
Speaker 20 (36:19):
And the one in Maya is automatic when you close
the door. It compacts verything to think about that, because
God forbid, if somebody put something in that compact would compact.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
It back to you, Danna Kennedy.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
We are just learning that Ana Walsh a thirty nine
was planning for the future, selling off assets to reinvest
in real estate before she vanished on New Year's Day.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
What if anything do we know about that, Well, we.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Know information about her plans for the future when it
came to her business from some tenants that she had
in Revere, which is north of Boston, a seaside town, and.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
These tenants had been with her for.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
A while and considered her a friend. I believe they
knew her for seven years, and they were shocked when
about a month ago, she said, oh, you guys have
to get out, I'm selling it. And when they sort
of acted like, well, can we have some more time,
they said, her whole demeanor changed in a way they'd
never seen before. She was pushy, they said, not very nice,
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had a bit of a melt down over it, and
they were shocked. But then another source told Fox News
that it was normal for someone who's in like sort
of low level real estate investment to flip and put
that money into another investment, which sounds.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Like she did.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Because it was sold that Revere Beach home prior to
her disappearance.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
What can you tell me, Dana about some fake Andy
Warhol paintings.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Brian Walsh bought them from an LA gallery dealer who
believed it and it wasn't until later that he found
out they were completely fake, and Brian Waller was later
arrested in connection with art fraud. That's why he was
living in cohabit with an ankle monitor.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
So Brian had an art fraud conviction and was forced
by the court to stay at home. But aside from
the art fraud, this to me is much more troubling.
Take a listen to our cut twenty one our friend
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Bob Ward.
Speaker 9 (38:28):
On social media missing cohaz It mom Anna Walsh portrayed
a glamorous, happy life with her husband, Brian Walsh, but
a police report revealed deep trouble even before Anna and
Brian were even engaged.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
According to this public incident report, Anna Knipp.
Speaker 9 (38:43):
Her maiden name, told DC Metro police that Brian Walsh
quote made a statement over the telephone that he was
going to kill her and her friends. She added, Brian
now lives in Boston, Massachusetts. Brian Walsh is not named
in the report, but my sources indicate the suspect is
Brian Walsh. The report list the potential offense as felony threats,
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but Anna never cooperated with DC Metro Police. Brian Walsh
was never charged and the case was closed.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And not only was that case closed, she then went
on to marry him. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Can you make
sense of that?
Speaker 6 (39:19):
Well, yes, absolutely I can, Nancy, Because even the most
abusive of relationships always start out with an attachment, right.
Two people love each other, they want to be together,
and according to a cultural anthropologist Helen Fisher, there's an
idealization between the couple that lasts for like seven to
fifteen months, where they just see each other as perfect
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and as a person who's going to take care of
all their own unmet needs. And it's not until that
initial idealization wears off they start to see the true
character of the other person. And then, more specifically, with
women who are abused, there's kind of a crisis of
boundaries where when the man is a use of toxic
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in this case, homicidal, the woman thinks, Oh, it's my fault.
I went to DC, I made him jealous, I posted
all these pictures, I shouldn't have done it, and she
could have blamed herself, which would then have paved the
way for the sort of matching thought with her a viie, Well,
it's my fault. I have to fix it, and now
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I just have to go back home and make things better.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Take a listen also to what our friend Lawrence Jones
from Fox Knees and Our Cut thirteen has learned.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
What do you know about Brian?
Speaker 21 (40:35):
Unfortunately not much, because every time when we would have
a conversation about Brian, it would be switched to children
or brushed off.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
So we what do you mean brushed off the conversation though, literally.
Speaker 21 (40:47):
Switching the subject. So and I said, and if there
is anything, come you know it's it's okay, And she said,
everything is fine and more her husband Brian.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
There's no picture policy. I mean, it's even hard to
find pictures of her out there when we want to
remember her her life and try to get answers for her.
If y'all hear anything about that, does that surprise you?
There's no picture policy.
Speaker 21 (41:15):
Hard to say she was hiding, truly, but the absence
of him. I understand that even in New Year's Eve,
my friend said that he would not even take personal
photos for between friends that he was missing on the photos,
and during the New Year's that he would take pictures
of everybody else but not of himself. So there must
be some reasons for it. I don't want to speculate
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what the reason, but it.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Is I no picture policy. Dana Kennedy from the New
York Post. There's one very important picture out there right now.
He has mudshot. He apparently lied to police and he's
been charged with in impeding the investigation stating he took
his sons for ice cream, when in fact that's not true.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
No, it's not true at all. There doesn't seem to
be any thing really valid that he has said so far.
And if I agree with a lot of what doctor
Bethany said in principle, but I think it's very strange
still to file a police report or make a police
report saying this guy was going to kill you, and
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then marry him a year later and not have not one,
but three children, and then leave them essentially with a
guy who she knew had been convicted of a crime.
I have a vibe that she wasn't just the sweet,
loving mother that you that we see. Listen I'm sorry
if she's been murdered, obviously, but I think she was
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kind of a complicated person. I think it's very odd
to go ahead and marry a guy like that and
have three kids and then leave the kids with him
during the week.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Civil lawsuits are all about someone suing for money. I'm
interested in someone going to jail for life for the
murder of Anna Walsh.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Will will that be Brian Walsh? He says he's innocent.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
We wait as justice and false goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Friday Night Special. That's right,
It's Friday Night and it's special.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Does the name Brian Walsh ring a bell? I will
never forget it.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I actually remember his wife better, Anna Walsh. Her body
has never been found and she leaves behind two little
boys to grow up without mommy. Remember husband Brian and
all of his damning computer searches, like, how long does
it take for a dead body to start smelling?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes? Him idiot? On top of being an alleged killer.
That said, the.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Owner of the home where young mom Anna Walsh was
allegedly murdered is now suing Brian Walsh's mother. Yeah, it
just never ends. Not only that is the judge getting
off the case. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
(01:12):
I want to thank you for being with us. Let's
start with the owner of the home where Anna Walsh
was allegedly killed now suing Brian Walsh's mother. Recall, Brian
Walsh allegedly kills and dismembers his beautiful wife Anna. Well,
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the owner of that kahas At home where that allegedly
occurred is suing Brian Walsh's mother for four hundred thousand dollars,
claiming the murder and police investigation has damaged and quote
psychologically impacted the property. How do you psychologically impact the property,
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the home itself, the yard.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I don't know if anybody wants to ever.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Buy the home, but how is the home psychologically impacted?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
That said the homeowner. Peter Capizzoli filed the lawsuit against
Walsh's mother, Diana Walsh, in Norfolk Superior Court. He is
also suing the property insurance under writing Association for four
hundred thousand dollars, claiming it wrongfully denied him coverage. Now,
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according to this complaint, Diana Walsh, the mom, signed a
six month lease okay on the property, later extending the lease.
She allegedly told the owner Capuzzoli, she planned to live
in the home with son Brian, the daughter in law Anna,
and their three children the following January. When Anna's disappearance
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hit the headlines, police soon accused Brian Walsh of foul
pl heavily leaning on those suspicious Google searches and did
I mention he purchased hundreds of dollars of cleaning products
and hardware supplies in the days that followed. That includes
a hacksaw and a hatchet. Police say they found some
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of Anna's belongings in a dumpster, and they found a
bloody damaged knife in the basement of that cahac At home.
Now in this complaint, the murder caused quote blood and
human remains to contaminate the home, including the bedroom where
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the murder took place and the basement where the dismemberment.
Oh Lord, have mercy allegedly took place. This is in
the lawsuit, and the homeowner says he had to bring
in a company that specializes in murder scene decontamination at
quote substantial expense. He claims the investigation damaged the property
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with blood detecting chemical luminol staining the walls, mattresses, furniture, commodes, sinks,
and showers okay. He also says that because of the
publicized murder, the property has now been quote psychologically impacted
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and substantially decreased its rental and sales value.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
The mom responds Diana walts, and she denies ever living
there and says she was not listed as a guaranteur
and if Capuzoli sustained damages, they were caused by acts
over which she The mom Diana Walsh had no control. Okay,
we'll see where that lands.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Ps. The mom also files the counterclaim. Can you believe this?
Claiming the property did not comply with sanitation codes and
was filled with mold when they moved in. Interesting how
she only figured that out after the murders.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
In addition to all of that, the judge in the
case as now citing a potential conflict. Is she going
to be taken off the case? Judge Diane Frenier informed
all the parties she has a pre existing friendship with
attorney Michael Sullivan, who was recently added to help the
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prosecution handle federal material related.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
To this case.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
She describes him as a mentor and former co worker.
She also says she can remain objective, but offered to
let Walsh and his defense attorney consider whether they want
a new judge. Wow, okay, let me jog your memory.
Can listen to our friends at wpr I.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Thirty nine year old Anna Walsh left her home early
Sunday morning. She was supposed to take a flight from
Logan to DC, where she works during the week, but
there's no record of her ever boarding a flight. Polise
there's been reports that she took a ride share. There's
also been no electronic flipprint of her in five days.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Okay, all this starts in Cohasset in Norfolk County, Massachusetts
with me an all star panel to make sense of
what we know. Right now, before I introduce them all,
I want to go to a special guest, Dana Kennedy,
senior reporter with my favorite newspaper, The New York Post.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Dana, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
This just is it's really hard for me to believe
from everything I know about Anna Walsh that she would
leave her three little boys alone.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I mean, have you looked at photos of her.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
There's not really a lot of photos of her and
her family, but she always seems so connected to the children.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
She did seem connected to the children and Nancy. At
the same.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Time, I felt it was a little bit.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Strange she got this new job in Washington, DC and
she had like a smaller part.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Okay, well wait wait, wait, wait wait wait.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Dania Kennedy, you happen to have a lot of information,
and you're like the fire hydrant of news.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
It just comes out so fast. I've got it, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I like to make flow charts right, and I can't
really write that quickly. Now, hold on, new job? What
was new job?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Her new job was as a real estate executive with
a Washington, DC based firm.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Hold On, you know what.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I knew she was in real estate and she's fairly successful,
but I didn't know it was a new job. Now
let me think that through. So she's living in Cahassett
and the job. Is it based in DC or does
she just have to go there occasionally?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
It's based in DC?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Uugh, Okay, that's tough, even though that's not a long trip, Dana,
you're familiar with the I call it the second LaGuardia
where there is an airport that just does shuttles.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
They do from LaGuardia, New York to.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
D C. Right, they used to do one from LaGuardia
to Boston. It's really quick and the only flights leaving
the Marine Terminal as it was called, are just those
couple of few cities, and it's like a hot jump
and a skip.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So is that true? From Cohasset?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I guess you'd take the Boston airport to d C's
how far is that of a flight?
Speaker 5 (08:29):
It's only about an hour. I mean, I actually come
from Massachusetts in one of the one of the towns
involved is my hometown. In this case, it's really only
an hour flight, but it's at least an hour from Cohasset.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
To Logan Airport.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Yeah, and you know, once you get to Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
It's you know, you have to.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Get into the city, so it's a hot jump, but
it still takes time.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You know. That's so true about every floor every trip.
You's say, oh, it's just an aer flight, but by
the time you leave early to get to the airport
an hour or two early.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So you know, in case they are a lines.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
By the time it's all said, none, it's like four
or five hours, no matter how.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You slice the bread.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
At least I'm just thinking about her. So now her
new job is based in d C. Would she go
for the whole week? Yeah, well, who's taking care of
the boys while she's gone for the week?
Speaker 5 (09:17):
A husband?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
That's a big stress on a marriage and a family leaving.
If you're gonna laugh, Dana, I swear if I go
one night, and I don't think I'm the most critical
person in the family, but when I'm gone one night,
I come home the whole house looks like.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Bears have been living there.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I look in the children's backpacks and they're full of
like trash. I ask what they have for supper, as
if I didn't know, it's going to be pizza. That's
no vegetables Dana at all. Okay, Well, apparently they had
it worked out, so she leaves the house that morning.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Well, we don't know, that's what he said.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, that's what the hobby says. Tell me. Cahasta, where
they lived.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Cohasset, is a really pretty high end seaside town, pretty posh,
and they were living in a rental because the house
they'd had before actually burned down.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Now, hadn't they already moved out of it when it
caught on fire? Yeah, and some other people were living there.
That's just another wrinkle in this case. So we've got
this gorgeous and I mean gorgeous, thirty nine year old mom,
Anna Walsh, with three boys, ages two, four, and six.
She just takes a new real estate job, but she
has to travel to get there. What was her job
before that, Dana?
Speaker 5 (10:36):
She was basically in hospitality, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
She started off.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Really low level, almost as a cleaning lady. According to
some of my sources, however, she graduated pretty quickly two
hotels like hotels in western Massachusetts and around that area.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Can I tell you something, everybody on the panel, and
Dodger Bethany Marshall is going to love this also with
me in addition to Dania Kennedy, senior reporter with New
York Post. And it's a real honor to have you, Dana,
doctor Bethany Marshall joining me. Psychoallis out of Beverly Hills
at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com and start bringing Empire
on Netflix. Dodger Bethany I tracked down a friend of
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Anna's and this is how he met her. He and
his son would often visit the grandmother, his mother in Boston,
and at that time, Anna for years was working at
a high end hotel in Boston, and that is where
Frank and his son Henry would always stay and Anna
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would handle their reservation and whatever they needed while they
were there. And she took a particular liking to Henry,
the little boy, the son, and she would always give
him special treats and recommend thanks for them to do
in Boston when they weren't with the mother, Miss Hall,
and over the years they became really good friends, and
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she would go out of her way to do things
for Frank, who's a single dad trying to take care
of his son, and she really made a huge impact
not only on him and his son, but other people
in the hotel too, And that really gave me an
insight into her after many many discussions with Frank about
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her because she didn't know them, and she didn't know
the little boy, but went out of her way, above
and beyond any duty at the hotel just to be
genuinely kind and welcoming.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And sincere people she didn't even know, Doctor Bethany.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
You know, Nancy, this is so profound what you're sharing
because she started in twenty fifteen as a recent immigrant,
as Dana said, cleaning rooms, and she advanced quickly, which
tells me that she's a very hard but hard work
did not get in the way of wanting to help others.
It tells me that this is a woman who's capable
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of forming attachments, and that's very important for this story
because it means this is not a mother who just
took off, who was unattached to her children, who or
who was unattached to her husband. In fact, going to
the sea for work may have actually been a sacrifice
to be away from her family. So this woman is beloved,
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she cares, she's altruistic, she has family and friends around her.
She forms long, long, long term relationships. Someone like this
does not just get in the car and drive away
from their family, right. They don't just find another lover
and you know, leave it all, like we see with
some mothers who are not even bonded with their children,
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so they create a new life and secret. This is
not Anna Walsh. Annah Walsh cared. Anna Walsh was attached.
Anna Walsh was firmly ensconced in a community and in
her relationship.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So what do we know about the morning she apparently
got a ride share of some sort uber or lyft
to the airport for a trip to DC. Now, one
thing I can tell you is this on January one,
when most people are off Take a listen now to
our friends at WUSA.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
A relative told go House of Police at the thirty
nine year old was seen leaving her Massachusetts home around
four a m. On January first to take a ride
share to Logan Airport in Boston.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It never ends with Brian Walsh.
Now his mother is being sued because she apparently rented
the home where the murderer and the disposal of Anna's
body allegedly took place. What I'm asked, you know what,
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that's a civil lawsuit. I'm more concerned about whether the
state can prove a murderer.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Is this correct that she had a dinner with friends.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Yes, they had a dinner with one friend.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
One friend. Was that in the home or did they
go out? It was in the home. In the home, Okay,
so the friend and the friends stay every night. No,
but he has been quoted.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Okay, so we know she was there for New Year's Eve,
and okay, I just wanted to back up just a
little bit to confirm the timeline.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Take a listen more from WSA.
Speaker 8 (15:29):
Three days after she was seen leaving her home with
bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Share in Cohasset. We confurther, we have confirmed with the Aions.
Speaker 9 (15:42):
And that's been a challenge, that she did not board
a plane this week.
Speaker 8 (15:48):
Police say her phone has been off and there has
been no activity on her credit or debit cards.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I wanted you to take a listen to more of
what the friend had to say. But first I want
to go to Ross Gardner, consultant and instructor at Bevillgardner
dot com, author of Bloodstained Pattern Analysis with an Introduction
to Crime Scene Reconstruction third Edition.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Wow, I like that's the third edition.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
That means you've got three books that you have revised
about crime scene reconstruction.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And I could talk to you about blood stain pattern
analysis all day long. Ross Gardner, you're a forensic consultant.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Let me ask you this very quickly, if you can
put it in a nutshell for everybody that hasn't had
to do it, how do you confirm whether someone caught
a ride share from a certain address, and how do
you confirm forensically if you're investigating the case whether someone
took a flight out of Cohasset or out of Boston.
Speaker 10 (16:46):
Well, today, in this technology, it's hard to move about
without some level of leaving information behind. I think this
is basic criminal investigation. They would have contacted the lists
and the right share of people, and they have records,
and of course you were not going to go through
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TSA without being recognized unless you're claimed, you know, somebody
were to claim that she were traveling in disguise or
under a false name. So I think that was the
easiest part of the whole deal for the criminal investigators,
just to figure out.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Did she really catch a rye and did she really
have a fly or did she ever even have a
flight booked? Did she have a flight book that she
did catch or did she not even have a flight booked?
You know what this is reminding me of to Dana
Kennedy and New York Post, this.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Name is going to go down in infamy forever. Caitlin Armstrong.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
She was the glam yoga instructor murdering her boyfriend's.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Friend Mariah, Remember her, Mariah.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Wilson, who was a world class dirt and mud biker
who was in town for competition. And the boyfriend got
together with Mariah, you know, for the afternoon and the
next thing you know, she's dead, shot dead in the bathroom.
Remember how they finally traced her and found her in
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I think.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Costa Rica was exactly the way.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Ross Gardner just described evidence photos video at the airport
from TSA.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Absolutely I covered that story when it happened and It
was incredible that it sure did. They saw her in
surveillance video at LaGuardia after she flew out of I
believe Austin. But then somehow she was able to get
a fig passport and then she flew out to Costa Rica.
It was incredible that she lasted as long as she did,
and as we know, I think she had dyed her
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hair and was making herself look as different as possible.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Kind of knows job. Yeah, so Ross Gardner is right.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I don't know if this young mom ever had a
flight arranged or we just thought she had a flight arranged.
But we now know she didn't take a lift, she
didn't take an uber, no ride share or cab.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
So all right, where is she now?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
We find out there's no activity on her credit or
debit cards, so how is she living? When does she
reported missing? Take a listen our friends at Boston twenty five.
Speaker 11 (19:26):
A Cohaset police log is shedding new light on how
the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting
a well being check was made on January fourth by
a man who identified himself as the head of security
at Honnor Walsh's employer in DC. Tishman Spire. The log
says Tishman Spyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported
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his wife missing. It explains that he told police on
a left for DC and he hadn't heard from her since.
According to the log, on his phone last pied on
January second, at three fourteen am in Cohase said and
hit the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohacid, less than
a mile from the family's home.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Okay, all of that was interesting to me, but Dana
and hey, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Philip Holloway, I'm getting to you.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Philip Holloway with me, high profile lawyer or founder of
the Holloway Law Group in Cobb County, radio host, legal
analyst WSB, host of Sworn, a true crime podcast.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I'm getting there, Phil. And remember Philip again, I stold
it everyone before we went to air. We're not having
high tea at winsor Castle. Jump in.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Man, you're certainly not afraid of jumping in in court.
So if you have an idea, jump in. Dana Kennedy,
A lot just jumped out at me. But one thing
is her phone pinged January two at home when she
was supposed to have left the morning of January one.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
What she left without her phone?
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Yeah, nothing makes any sense, Nancy. I mean, and if
she had we were talking about flights earlier. Had she
made an arrangement for a flight, that would have shown
up online somewhere.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Okay to you.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Philip Holloway, lawyer and founder of the Holloway Law Group,
Cobb County, Georgia. Philip Holloway, Why is it her office
reported her missing?
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Shouldn't the husband have reported her missing?
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Well, look, anybody who cares about her should have reported
her missing. But look, I think this does make perfectly good.
Speaker 12 (21:31):
Tins And I like you.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Hey, if my husband ever goes missing, remind me hire
Philip Halloway. Of course he can't go missing because I've
got him a life three sixty. I've got him on
this and on that. Man, I know when he's going
to go empty the trash. Actually, really, he's so trustworthy.
When I try to look through his emails, they're so
boring my eyes bleed, So you know I'm actually not
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tracking him.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
That said, go ahead, Philip Halloway. Well, look, I think this.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Whole thing does make for good sense because the picture
that's being painted here by the circumstantial evidence All I
said is.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
He didn't report her missing. Man.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
Yeah, this could be the most powerful type of evidence
in court. Circumstantial evidence is great, and the circumstances paint
a picture of someone who has been killed.
Speaker 12 (22:17):
This is a murder case.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
We all know where it's going. The circumstances all point
to that.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I believe you're putting the cart before the horse.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Nobody has said murdered yet.
Speaker 12 (22:26):
I don't think so.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
I think this is where it's.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
All I did.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I say, are you familiar with William Shakespeare, because one
of my favorite quotes.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Is methinks thou dost protest too much?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
All I said was he didn't report her missing, And
you just went crazy about a circumstance of wordcase.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
Well, that's what it is. You know, when somebody says
this doesn't make sense, I have the position that it
makes perfectly good sense. Once you understand that this is
a murder case, it starts to make sense. Everything that
we know and everything that's happened fit's perfectly into that paradise.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Why didn't he report her missing, Philip Holloway.
Speaker 7 (22:59):
Because he's afraid of going to prison.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Okay, Well that's certainly one way of putting it. Now,
we have a little, let's just say, inconsistency in the facts.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Take a listen to wb Z.
Speaker 13 (23:10):
WBZ is obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left
by mister Walsh for one of Hona's friends.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
The friend lives in Washington, d C.
Speaker 13 (23:18):
Where Anna works, and tells us the voicemail was left
on Wednesday, that's the same day Anna was reported missing
to police.
Speaker 12 (23:26):
Said Brian Walsh. I hope all is going well. I
was just reaching out to basically everybody I could. Anna
hasn't been in touch for a few days, you know,
anyone that might have that contact with her, just you know,
calling everyone. So I hard to bother you here.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Everything's fine, Okay, no offense to this guy calling people.
But Dana Kennedy, did it sound a little bit like
he's reading a script.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
It sounded a bit like he was reading a script.
And also he was completely nonchalant. I mean, in this
day and age, when someone's out of touch for two days,
you'd be in a total panic. You'd be only every
copy'd be.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Doing everything possible.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
You're so right, doctor Bethany Marshall. I've told you this
story before. But I don't think everybody knows the story.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Let me just tell this real quick, David.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
My husband travels a lot for his job, and typically
when he touched down, he'll text me, and that's great.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I don't need to talk to him. I just like
to know he's safe.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Well, bethany excuse me, doctor Bethany One time he got
to Florida and he texted, I made it, and I'm
going to go do this, this, this, this and this,
and then I'll end up at the hotel around nine o'clock.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, you know what, I never heard from him again.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
And I could just imagine him getting run over in
the parking lot or some nut hitting me in the
head or I didn't.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Know what I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
You know. My coworker d and I stayed up till
four o'clock by snight that night, calling hospitals.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Finally I got the manager to go and not on his.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Door with much much strong arming, and he was in
there and had come home early and fallen asleep.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You can hear the TV in the background. He's like,
totally not doubt. But I was so upset. I was
calling every hospital in the area. I didn't know where his.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Business appointments were so I was trying outlying hospitals. I
know it sounded like a crazy person. I was convinced
something had happened to him. I'm assure didn't sound like
I was writing a script.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
No exactly.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
That's why you just took the words right out of
my mouth. Compare his response with yours.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
He had what we.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Call in my field trite, rehearsed and stereotyped speech. That's
what we put in reports when we're analyzing a patient
who sort of hollow and empty and not believable. Also
somebody who has very little original thinking, so they kind
of they kind of they spout off or they repeat
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eat what they have read somewhere, or what they hear
other people saying.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I hear you. Let's hear that again, Sandney, could you
play that one more time? Where we hear Brian Walsh.
Speaker 13 (26:10):
WBZ has obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left
by mister Walsh for one of Hona's friends.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
The friend lives in Washington, d C.
Speaker 13 (26:19):
Where Anna works, and tells us the voicemail was left
on Wednesday, that's the same day Anna was reported missing
to police.
Speaker 12 (26:26):
Said Brian Walsh, and hopeful is going well. I was
just just reshing out to basically everybody I could. Anna
hasn't been in touch for a few days, you know,
anyone that might have that contact with her, just you know,
calling everyone. So I hard to bother you here.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Everything's fine, okay, So now guys, take a listen to
what police are saying.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
This is WUSA.
Speaker 8 (26:50):
Walsh's friends and family have been cooperating with detectives. The
Realistic executive would spend her work weeks in the district
and weekends with their family and her Massachusetts home, where
local and state officials have brought in their search on
a wall. She's described as a five foot two woman,
weighing one hundred and fifteen pounds. She has brown hair
and brown eyes, and speaks with an Eastern European accent,
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according to police. For now, police say.
Speaker 14 (27:14):
There is no sign a foul play.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
No evidence of foul play. Well, maybe this will jog
the police into action. A fire erupts. Take a listen
to our friends at WCVB.
Speaker 14 (27:26):
Police say she wasn't reported missing until Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
She does work in DC.
Speaker 14 (27:31):
And it's not abnormal for her to.
Speaker 10 (27:35):
You know, work long hours in not.
Speaker 14 (27:38):
Contact the home investigators say her phone's been off since
Sunday and there's no evidence her credit cards have been used,
and the fire at the family's former home only adds
to the mystery.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
We're going to look at everything here, you know, very
strange coincidence.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Straight back out to veteran trial while or Philip Holloway,
While police say no evidence of foul play, now a
fire breaks out at the home.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
They just moved out of.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Do you believe you actually believe in coincidences in criminal law, Phip, No.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
Not particularly not in this case. Listen, I think that
there's certainly circumstantial evidence that can be interpreted as signs
of foul play.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
You know.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
Look, not reporting her missing for a couple of days
in and of itself is problematic, and when you add
it to all the other pieces of circumstantial evidence, such
as leaving the house to buy cleaning supplies and the
internet searches and finding the items in the basement.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
So not only do we have a fire breaking out
at their former home, the picture becomes more bleak.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Take a listener, friends at WBTS.
Speaker 15 (28:45):
More bags being brought out of the gohase at home
where missing mom on A Walsh and her family live,
just a day after investigators said they wrapped up their
search for evidence. Their evidence that included the discovery of
blood and a bloody knife in the basement. New video
obtained by ABC ten Boston shows Brian Walsh just one
day after his wife was last seen on security cameras
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at Press, Juice Bar and Norwal. Meanwhile, the NBC ten
investigators have learned a hacksaw and bloody towels were found
during the search of the transfer station in Pebty and
the dumpsters at the Swamscott department complex where Brian Walsh's
mother lives.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
To day, think Kennedy joining us the New York Post,
I guess that changed the course of the investigation.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
What exactly what evidence has been found so far and
where I.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Think there's there's some confusion about that. Early on, investigators
went north of Boston to a place called peebd to
a transfer station. There they found some material that initially
was called evidence or remained and I don't think it's
been specifically outlined at all yet. I don't think they
I mean, they found I believe a bloody knife in
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the in the basement, So a.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Bloody knife and I believe the knife had been broken
to some degree and some blood in the family home.
Not the former home that was burned down, but the
family home where Anna was living with her three boys
and husband.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
And there's more. Listen to NBC TAN.
Speaker 16 (30:14):
Boston police have been collecting surveillance video from several places
Brian Walsh visited after his wife's disappearance. That includes walking
by this dumpster at a liquor store in Swampscott So trying.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
To figure out what exactly happened.
Speaker 17 (30:28):
Doctor Anne Marie Myers used to work at the Medical
Examiner's office and now teaches forensic criminology at Anna Maria College.
She says authorities will fast track everything they have through
the lab, including the hacksaw and the bloody knife, but
some of the details could make.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
The police work difficult.
Speaker 18 (30:46):
There's an indication that there's been some sort of perhaps
dismembering of the body and then disposal echoes. Many cases
that I was involved in where the police were never
able to find human remains.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Ross Garner is joining me for as a consultant. Ross
what does a broken knife mean to you?
Speaker 10 (31:09):
Well, it's unclearest, is it's broken or it's damaged.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
But that would not be.
Speaker 10 (31:16):
Unexpected either through if he used a knife during the
course of the assault or in the course of dismembering.
Dis memories. No an easy task. I think what's more
important at this point will be the DNA and they're
going to have to correlate the knife and those bloodstains
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that they found specifically in the basement back to Anna
and then of course, in that sense there's some belief
that he may have cleaned up the scene. We could
have high expectation that they're doing additional.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
Work such as LCV.
Speaker 10 (31:59):
Or alumino trying to enhance any cleanup activity, because that'll
give you a better sense for you know, is this
just a couple of tiny little bloodstains or was there
a large volume of flood here.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Civil lawsuit or no civil lawsuit, there is a murder
case to be tried. These are the facts we know of.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Now, what can.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You tell me, Dannae Kennedy about a four hundred and
fifty dollars bill at home depot.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Well, when they found the receipt for this there it
was cleaning supplies and I believe there might have been
some rope found. But again pretty suspicious considering his wife
is missing.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I've got Tom Moss tart quickly buckets, various types of
tape and cleaning supplies, all from the.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Rockland home Depot.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
And you know what I love Philip Holloway about Home Depot.
Much like Target, they have excellent surveillance video. I will
never forget. I believe it was Target where top mom
Casey Anthony went while her daughter Kelly was missing.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
There she was in her push up bra buying.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Beer and all sorts of party stuff using somebody else's check.
By the way, while her daughter was missing, she was
not the least bit upset. And I guarantee you there's
going to be home Depot surveillance video of the husband,
Brian Walsh, buying all of his cleaning supplies.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
And not only will they find.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Forensically, as they've already stated, a bloody knife and some
blood in the basement, there could be, Tracey says, of
that cleaning supply in the home. A luminol catches so
much that the naked eye misses any blood spatter, any smudge,
any transfer, anything on the wall or the ceiling. A
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lot of times when defendants murder someone, they forget to
look up at the ceiling.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
That's a big booboo, Philip poll Away, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
It is. And I can't think of an innocent reason
for him to be at the home depot at that time,
in violation of his bond, by the way, purchasing four
hundred and fifty dollars worth of cleaning supplies if it's
not something that he normally does, and there's no information
that that is part of this regular routine. So it's
just one more brick in the wall when you add
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it together with all the other circumstantial evidence. And by
the way, speaking of the hack saw, can you imagine
any worse thing to be out there involved in a
case like this? If there's a hacksaw involved, that just
sends the mind into thinking the absolute worst and most
horrifying of outcomes in this case.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
And I got to tell you dand Kennedy New York Post,
It's not like Con Dexter, where the whole floor in
the walls are encased in plastic and then he dismembers
the bad guy and then just kind of thows it
all up and you never find any blood spatter at all.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
It's not like that at all. It's an arduous task.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
It's very hard to dismember someone, and you always leave
behind blood. Plus you've got to get blood off that hack.
So I'll trace back to Anna if that's in fact.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
True, that's right.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
That's it all so incredibly grizzly. And I don't know
how an everyday average guy, which is what Brian Walsh was,
could even figure out how to saw limbs off. I
don't think I could.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
And there's more, guys, take a listen to our friend
Julianne Lima, Boston twenty five.
Speaker 19 (35:54):
We did confirm through sources that investigators did in fact
find evidence in that dumpster that is connected to Ona
Walsh's disappearance. Now, they searched the dumpster here in PBT
for hours last night. State and local police sources also
telling us police tot that shumpster from Brian Walsh's mother's
apartment complex in Swampscot. We spoke to people who live
in that complex who were horrified to learn of what
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may have been put in their trash.
Speaker 20 (36:19):
And the one in Maya is automatic when you close
the door. It compacts verything to think about that, because
God forbid, if somebody put something in that compact would compact.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
It back to you, Danna Kennedy.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
We are just learning that Ana Walsh a thirty nine
was planning for the future, selling off assets to reinvest
in real estate before she vanished on New Year's Day.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
What if anything do we know about that, Well, we.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Know information about her plans for the future when it
came to her business from some tenants that she had
in Revere, which is north of Boston, a seaside town, and.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
These tenants had been with her for.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
A while and considered her a friend. I believe they
knew her for seven years, and they were shocked when
about a month ago, she said, oh, you guys have
to get out, I'm selling it. And when they sort
of acted like, well, can we have some more time,
they said, her whole demeanor changed in a way they'd
never seen before. She was pushy, they said, not very nice,
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had a bit of a melt down over it, and
they were shocked. But then another source told Fox News
that it was normal for someone who's in like sort
of low level real estate investment to flip and put
that money into another investment, which sounds.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Like she did.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Because it was sold that Revere Beach home prior to
her disappearance.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
What can you tell me, Dana about some fake Andy
Warhol paintings.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Brian Walsh bought them from an LA gallery dealer who
believed it and it wasn't until later that he found
out they were completely fake, and Brian Waller was later
arrested in connection with art fraud. That's why he was
living in cohabit with an ankle monitor.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
So Brian had an art fraud conviction and was forced
by the court to stay at home. But aside from
the art fraud, this to me is much more troubling.
Take a listen to our cut twenty one our friend
(38:27):
Bob Ward.
Speaker 9 (38:28):
On social media missing cohaz It mom Anna Walsh portrayed
a glamorous, happy life with her husband, Brian Walsh, but
a police report revealed deep trouble even before Anna and
Brian were even engaged.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
According to this public incident report, Anna Knipp.
Speaker 9 (38:43):
Her maiden name, told DC Metro police that Brian Walsh
quote made a statement over the telephone that he was
going to kill her and her friends. She added, Brian
now lives in Boston, Massachusetts. Brian Walsh is not named
in the report, but my sources indicate the suspect is
Brian Walsh. The report list the potential offense as felony threats,
(39:05):
but Anna never cooperated with DC Metro Police. Brian Walsh
was never charged and the case was closed.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And not only was that case closed, she then went
on to marry him. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Can you make
sense of that?
Speaker 6 (39:19):
Well, yes, absolutely I can, Nancy, Because even the most
abusive of relationships always start out with an attachment, right.
Two people love each other, they want to be together,
and according to a cultural anthropologist Helen Fisher, there's an
idealization between the couple that lasts for like seven to
fifteen months, where they just see each other as perfect
(39:41):
and as a person who's going to take care of
all their own unmet needs. And it's not until that
initial idealization wears off they start to see the true
character of the other person. And then, more specifically, with
women who are abused, there's kind of a crisis of
boundaries where when the man is a use of toxic
(40:01):
in this case, homicidal, the woman thinks, Oh, it's my fault.
I went to DC, I made him jealous, I posted
all these pictures, I shouldn't have done it, and she
could have blamed herself, which would then have paved the
way for the sort of matching thought with her a viie, Well,
it's my fault. I have to fix it, and now
(40:21):
I just have to go back home and make things better.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Take a listen also to what our friend Lawrence Jones
from Fox Knees and Our Cut thirteen has learned.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
What do you know about Brian?
Speaker 21 (40:35):
Unfortunately not much, because every time when we would have
a conversation about Brian, it would be switched to children
or brushed off.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
So we what do you mean brushed off the conversation though, literally.
Speaker 21 (40:47):
Switching the subject. So and I said, and if there
is anything, come you know it's it's okay, And she said,
everything is fine and more her husband Brian.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
There's no picture policy. I mean, it's even hard to
find pictures of her out there when we want to
remember her her life and try to get answers for her.
If y'all hear anything about that, does that surprise you?
There's no picture policy.
Speaker 21 (41:15):
Hard to say she was hiding, truly, but the absence
of him. I understand that even in New Year's Eve,
my friend said that he would not even take personal
photos for between friends that he was missing on the photos,
and during the New Year's that he would take pictures
of everybody else but not of himself. So there must
be some reasons for it. I don't want to speculate
(41:37):
what the reason, but it.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Is I no picture policy. Dana Kennedy from the New
York Post. There's one very important picture out there right now.
He has mudshot. He apparently lied to police and he's
been charged with in impeding the investigation stating he took
his sons for ice cream, when in fact that's not true.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
No, it's not true at all. There doesn't seem to
be any thing really valid that he has said so far.
And if I agree with a lot of what doctor
Bethany said in principle, but I think it's very strange
still to file a police report or make a police
report saying this guy was going to kill you, and
(42:17):
then marry him a year later and not have not one,
but three children, and then leave them essentially with a
guy who she knew had been convicted of a crime.
I have a vibe that she wasn't just the sweet,
loving mother that you that we see. Listen I'm sorry
if she's been murdered, obviously, but I think she was
(42:40):
kind of a complicated person. I think it's very odd
to go ahead and marry a guy like that and
have three kids and then leave the kids with him
during the week.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Civil lawsuits are all about someone suing for money. I'm
interested in someone going to jail for life for the
murder of Anna Walsh.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Will will that be Brian Walsh? He says he's innocent.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
We wait as justice and false goodbye friend,
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