December 14, 2024 • 40 mins
Lori Vallow Daybell, convicted in the deaths of her children, JJ and Tylee, as well as conspiracy in the death of Tammy Daybell, now faces trial in Arizona for the shooting death of her husband Charles Vallow. Ahead of that trial, Vallow asked for a competency hearing, which was granted. Two doctors concluded that Vallow was competent, and a judge ruled Vallow will stand trial for conspiring in the fatal shooting of fourth husband, Charles, and the attempted murder of her niece's ex-husband, Brandon Boudreaux.
After the competency hearing, Vallow tells the judge she will represent herself, saying she has been studying law.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Mark Tate -Trial Lawyer at TateLawGroup
- Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA; Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women
- Chris McDonough - Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, & Host of YouTube channel- ‘The Interview Room’
- Lauren Matthias - Journalist and Host of ‘Hidden True Crime’ Podcast and YouTube Channel; @HiddenTrueCrime on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, already.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Convicted in the murder of her two children, Colt Mom
Lourie Valo Meg's headlines yet again just in time for
her second murder related trial. I'm Nancy Grace, this is
Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. That's right,
we haven't heard the last of Coltman Laurie Valo. In
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the last days in Arizona, judge grants the convicted killer
Mom Laurie Valo's request for a mental competency evaluation before
her second criminal trial. Remember, son JJ was found in
Priestine condition dead, buried in a pet cemetery on her
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then I guess fifth husband's property.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
The Chad day Bell, while her daughter.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Tylely his body was found rendered down to basically nothing
but fat in a bucket, also buried in the pet
cemetery on Chad Daybell's property. Valo, along with the prophet
husband Chad Daybill, convicted and sent us to life behind
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bars in Idaho just last year, now set to stand
trial in Arizona for allegedly conspiring to kill her fourth husband,
Charles Valo, and her niece's ex husband.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I mean she's murderous, of.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Course, Lori Valo cult mom plea it's not guilty to
the crimes. For those of you that need it, Let's
jog our memories, refresh, our recollections as we say, what
exactly did Colt Mom Laurie Valo do back home in
Idaho it all started.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
It's amazing. I was looking at my notes way back.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
When when I was writing about as I called her
then Doomsday cult mom, now cult mom Laurie Vallo and
brand new husband Chad day Bill, And the very first
thing I wat was have chill Thursday to produce their children.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
That's how it all started.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
When these two children seemingly vanish into thin air, they
go missing. Then we found out about this twisted cult.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
That Laurie Valo.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I had become a meshed in and her prophet lover
turned husband, Chad day Bill.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
That's how it all started.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
When we couldn't find those children, that the search was
on and we speculated, are they being hidden away with
some of the cult followers. Are they in some aim
somewhere or some obscure home with the windows boarded up?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And why?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And actually that's what we hoped.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
We hoped that as bizarre as it was, these children
were somehow spirited away and were being kept by cult members,
as horrible as that would have been, and then as
the days, the weeks, the months passed, we realized they
weren't being hidden, that somewhere, somehow they were dead. All
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this happened while cult Mam Laurie Valo and her new
I believe four fifth confusing husband, the Prophet as he
calls himself, Chad Dabel, had gone to Hawaii and had
literally danced on the beach after their wedding ceremony, taking
wedding photos. You know how when you get married, a
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lot of people go stage photos on the beach.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
They actually did that.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Now, it probably was normal to the people standing around
them and watching them. But what those people didn't know
is that back home, Jj entirely had been brutally murdered
and buried on the Prophet Chad day Bell's property, actually
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at his pet cemetery.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
That's where the children were.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Then we began to speculate and wonder and investigate, well,
what about Tammy Daybell? She conveniently died right before their
Hawaii wedding. Then the evidence began to unfold, including coltman
Lauri Valo going on Amazon and buying a beach bacch
wedding dress and rings.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Before Tammy Day Bell died.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I mean, I'm sure when the jury heard that, their
heads were just spinning. Long story short, and proceeded from
there to an indictment for the both of them court wrangling.
Their trials were severed under the law, which means they
were tried separately. The first to go to trial Colt
Mom Laurie Valo, soon to follow the Prophet Chad de Bel.
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I'm looking back at these notes when we were still
looking for JJ andentyly believe it or not, we've gone
through investigation, indictment, and now sentencing after a very long
and tortuous jury trial. So many people have been affected
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by what Laurie Valo and her husband, the Prophet Chad
Dave Bell, have done. There are dead bodies connected to
these two. We still don't know the answer to those,
but right now with me and All Star panel to
make sense of what we know. Right now, Mark Tate
is joining me from the Tate Law Group. Mark has
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tried many many cases, including homicides. Sadly, on the other
side of the fence, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist, joining
US out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her
at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Chris McDonough is joining
US director of the Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective
for nearly three hundred homicides under his belt, those investigations,
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many of which ended in a guilty verdict. I found
him at the interview room on YouTube and you can
find him at Colcasefoundation dot org. But first I want
to go to a very well respected journalist, host of
Hidden true Crime podcast and YouTube channel, Lauren Matthias.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
What can you tell me about the prophet?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (06:42):
I can tell you a lot about the prophet Chad
Dave Bell. You know, I'm actually in Rexford right now, Nancy,
and we have been to his house.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Hey, hold on, right there, Lauren. I'm gonna come right
back to you.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
But doctor Angie, I want you to listen, especially to
what Laura Matthias to say. Because colet Mom and all
of her Kookie beliefs was still harmless until she got
with Chad day Bill. Then people started dying, Okay, So
that singally effect he had on her something I'd like you,
doctor Angie, to analyze.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Mark Tata. I want you to think about co defendants
under the law.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And Chris McDonough, we've seen a lot of murders where
usually the man masterminds it and the woman goes along
with it.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
What she can't call nine one one jump in McDonough.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Yeah, you know in this saga, I hear Nancy as
you've been talking about it from day one. This is
a situation where the two personalities come together and quite frankly,
she seems to be the more dominant one over this,
you know, false prophet Chad, and it's really been interesting
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to see that he's been just kind of tagging along,
but he has a tremendous amount of influence.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
But what okay, well back on his satellite, Yes, please
do so.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
I actually think it was Chad's belief system. Chad was
a doomsday author.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Chad had a scale where he rated people light to dark.
Chad would decide if somebody was a zombie, and he
is the one who labeled Tiley, sixteen year old Tylie,
Ryan Laurie's daughter, a zombie, calling her dark, calling her evil.
Chad was the one setting the stage with his belief system,
with his books. He was the speaker at these conferences,
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these preparing the people conferences where he would talk about
the end of the world and how we would have
white tents and we would have to shoot the zombies
that came. And so these two, what they have done
is horrendous.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
You know, sharing Lori Matthias speaking, who was there in town,
I guess that's Mark Ta go ahead, Mark, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I was going to just jump in for a moment.
Speaker 8 (09:00):
Mentioned something about us Bengali effect that this Chad Dave
Bell had, and I think it really is interesting because
you know, we just saw one of Charles Manson's followers paroled,
and I think that, you know, these types of cult
leaders are known to be very charismatic, and they make
the people who are working with them believe they're doing
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what they're doing voluntarily in support, and so it really
is a control situation. And we have layered on top
of that with Chad day Bell this underpinning of his
religious beliefs, and of course everything he was saying is.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Can you please stop Mark te right there?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Tay Tate?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yes or no? Have you ever given birth Mark Tate?
Speaker 8 (09:45):
No? But it's starting to feel like it in this interview.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Okay, no, No, that was a one that was just
a one word answer, because I don't give a flying
fig whose Bengali is. But when you are a mother
and you would go a long was somebody's idea for
you to kill your children?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
You can go straight to h E Double l.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It was proven in court that called my Laurie Valo
and the prophet husband Chad day Bell, murdered too. Valo's children,
seven year old JJ and sixteen year old Tyley, as
well as Chad Daybell's first wife, Tammy day Bell. Does
it never end with these two?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Now?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
While JJ and Tyley were still reported as missing, and
directly after Tammy Dave Bell's murder, Valo and Dave Bell
married in Hawaii that very same year. Tammy died in October,
and these two murderers fly to Hawaii for a beachside
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wedding the next month. That's not fishy at all, right,
JJ and Tirely were discovered in shallow grapes on Chad
day Bell's rural property in Rexburg months after they disappear
from home. The sixteen year old Tilely remains were burned,
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seven year old JJ's body bound in duct tape. Now
after the murder trial in Idaho, Valos spent several months
in an Idaho mental hospital and following those months, Let's
see who was the judge? I recall it as Judge
Boyce ruled she was quote returned to competency and fit
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to proceed in her first trial. Ido prosecutors claimed during
Valo's and day Bell's trial the pair had extreme, I say,
extremely bizarre religious beliefs, including the theory that people have
dark souls while others have light souls. They claim dark
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spirits could be so dark that they were zombies, and
Vala and da Bill had to kill them.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
They had no other choice right than to kill children.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, it ain't over yet. She is now facing charges
murder related charges in the death of husband Charles Vallo
and her niece's ex husband.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
What exactly happened?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I want you to hear this rack.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Levinthhaal joining us from Fox. Take a listen. Our cut
to still more.
Speaker 9 (12:52):
Questions than answers in the disappearance of an Idaho brother
and sister. Seven year old Joshua and seventeen year old
ty Lee haven't been seen.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
In September, the kid's.
Speaker 9 (13:01):
Mother, Lauri Valo, and her new husband left for Hawaii
about three months ago. Valo and her new husband are
members of a religious group preparing for the biblical end
of times, and they've been surrounded by sudden deaths. Her
brother killed her estranged husband last July, then he died
in December, and her new husband's former wife died in October.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Authority served a search warrant on day Bell's home Tuesday,
leading to the discovery of what now police confirm is
two sets of human remains in the backyard.
Speaker 10 (13:32):
New developments and somber news coming out of the Lori
Valo case. Relatives of the Vallo family say that the
human remains found at the Idaho home of Valo's husband,
Chad Dabll, are in fact Valo's children, JJ Vallo and
Tylie Ryan.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You know, it's really hard if you're trying to parse
words and split hairs. Who is the mastermind between these
two but burying the children's remains Chad Dabell's backyard, I
don't know what kind of mastermind devised that, But it
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wasn't that difficult for their remains to be found. We
had to get enough PC probable cause to search his property.
As the prosecutor described the way that Tyley was the murder,
especially the part when he pointed out yet again which
was already in autopsy reports.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
That there were stab marks in.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Tiley's pelvic area that were not consistent with dismemberment. In
other words, he believes this teen girl, gorgeous young girl
who was a mommy's girl, was stabbed dead.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
She was stabbed prior to dismemberment.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
When Kay Woodcock began speaking, she listed out a series
of numbers, which I didn't really know what she was
talking about, but only she would know what those numbers were.
Fourteen hundred days since I haven't seen JJ this day
that she had all measured out, basically dissecting and chronologizing
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the time since the children first went missing, and they
were missing for several months before they were ever reported
missing because Coleman Laurie Valid kept lying about where they
were with me. All Star Panel Chrismin Dunna is joining
US director Cold Case Foundation for mor homicide detective and
star of the interview rim on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Chris, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
What they endured Little jjge seven Tyler a teen girl
sixteen at the time of their deaths, and that literally
made me want to strangle Colt Mom Lorie Valid, who
by the way, sat there and hid behind her lawyers
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and looked completely disinterested. One time, one time, Chris Nindana,
I saw her, very briefly. What her face with a tissue?
What did you make of these two young people went through.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
One thing we don't need to forget is she she
is a serial killer. When we think about the horror
that these children had to endure, the you know, the
child that's cut apart, put into a plastic container and
then buried. And this poor little autistic child, this little
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boy whose last photograph is taken at you know, you
old faithful, she is evil to the core. I agree
with you one thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You know when you said that that last picture at Yellowstone.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Those moments that she had with her.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Children, and knowing full well that she planned to murder them,
and doctor Angela Arnold while she's there, Angela doctor Angie
is a renowned psychiatrist. I call her doctor Angie. But
doctor Angie, the thought that you are taking that picture,
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I mean, I've got all ours framed all over the
house of us at Yellowstone, because she knew at that
time of that picture she was going to kill them.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
She knew what was going to happen, did JJ and Tyly?
Speaker 11 (17:34):
You know, Nancy, That's why, that's why it's very important
for us to realize that she is not capable of
being rehabilitated. There is no rehabilitation in this woman's future.
The mental health providers that evaluated her couldn't even come
up with a.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Diagnosis for her.
Speaker 11 (17:54):
And we watch a woman who cannot cannot bring any
remorse out of herself, no shedding of a tear, nothing,
She can't bring any remorse out of herself. And the
first step in rehabilitation, Nancy, is to acknowledge what you've
done and to have feelings associated with what you've done.
Speaker 12 (18:18):
So this woman is.
Speaker 11 (18:19):
Completely uncapable of being rehambed.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Laura Anthias wants in about the autopsy jump in, Lauren.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Yeah, thanks, Nancy. I saw the autopsy photos. I saw
the children on the crime scene, or what was left
of them, what was left of Tyley's pelvis.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
I saw it. I saw the stab marks in her pelvis.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I saw JJ's face, and I saw the duct tape
chin to chin covering his mouth, so I assume he
couldn't scream, And I will never forget it. What happened
to those children is beyond imagination. You can hear it
over and over and over again, and when you see it,
when you see it, the evil knows no bounds. And
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I just wanted to jump in and say that I
will never forget seeing JJ and Tyly ever and what
happened to them.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You know, Lauren Matthias, there were many, many times, and
this exact moment right now is bringing it back. That
would be in front of a jury showing them crime
scene photos, couldn't show typically couldn't show autopsy photos of people,
including children's bodies, and describing it for them and eliciting testimony.
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And I would have to steal myself not to just
break down and cry. And the evil that can be
committed on other people, much less children. Now I'm thinking
about Tyley and the stab wounds into her pelvis. She
was largely skeletonized, there was some tissue left, but that
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means that those stab wounds likely went through all the
way to her bone.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And the way that she was disposed of.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
But I've seen the bucket, a photo of it, a
bucket full of basically these children were rendered.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Have you ever heard that phrase, Mark Tate.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Mark Tate, veteran trial lawyer joining us from the Tate
Law Group.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Out of Savannah.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Rendering rendering, that's what you what people do in slaughterhouses
to animals, and they tear apart the.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Body and try to get rid of it.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
You're exactly right now, we hear right right up here.
The world capital of fruitcakes is Claxton and they have
lots of chicken rendering plants there as well. And you're right.
It's an absolute destruction of the entire body. And so
not only did you have here this unbelievably vile, hateful,
terrifying thing that'ssed on some kind of cult preaching or teaching,
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but you have this effort to try to I guess,
encourage more rapid decomposition of the body. So you know,
folks have talked about whether this person is going to
be rehabilitated. That's clearly ludicrous. That can never happen.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Cult my Laurie Valo in the headlines again granted a
mental health exam as she heads into her.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Second murder related trial.
Speaker 13 (21:43):
Nancy Lourie Vello was granted a competency hearing relating to
the additional charges filed against her. Once again, court appointed
doctors deemed Lorie Valo Dabil fit to face charges, this
time for conspiring to kill her estranged husband, Charles Bellow
and her niece's ex spouse. Now Lori Vello's fourth husband,
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Charles Vello, was shot and killed by Valo dave Bel's brother, Alex.
He told police he acted in self defense and he
was never charged. Alex later died himself. So now Lourie
Vello moves forward to her Arizona trial.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
It never ends with this woman. What exactly happened?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
You know, when I first heard about the indictment to
Chris McDonough, I was less than impressed by a grand
theft charge being thrown in because I was concerned about
the actual murders.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
But they were right. They were right.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Because greed, greed taking part in conspiring to murder Tammy.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Dave Bel's completely innocent woman.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
But when I was looking at those pictures of Tyley
just you know, starting her life as a young and
brother and sister so in love with each other, having
so much fun, all their lives ahead of them, having
their own families and get togethers and happy moments. Just
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look at little JJ's little snagglety tooth tea all they
had to look forward to.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It's so young.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And then the pictures of Tammy Dabill working as a librarian,
working with underprivileged children, coming home from a long day,
thinking she was going to get a good night's sleep,
and never waking up after her body was dug up, exhumed,
when we find out she was asphyxiated, smothered dead, and
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for what For life insurance proceeds four hundred something thousand
dollars and continued Social Security benefits for these two. It
was all about greed, which takes me back to that
grand theft charge yarge is just overwhelming. I mean, Chris mcdana,
you've processed, investigated, handle over three hundred homicides. To think
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of money as motive, how much more cold blood it
could she be?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
You know, she is so past feeling nancy to your
point that you know the seven deadly sins, right greed
being one of them. She literally, while preaching a spiritual
persona had made a deal with the devil and he
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came collecting after he required a prerequisite of those children's lives.
And this is what makes her so, I think challenging
to understand, because there she is dancing on the beach
in Hawaii, whe her ukulele and the lags and all
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the stuff that comes along with that, and yet withinside
of her mind and the individual with her, she knows
that her child, both of her children, have been one
of them at least dismembered and buried. And yet she's
just in this other place, and it is driven by
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this unbelievable sense of I want more. It's hard to
understand it.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Certainly, I want more everything, Chris.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I want more men, I want more sex, I want
more power, I want more money.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I want a different lifestyle without these children. And when
what Kate Woodcock described the way that caught my Lori
Valo talked about little JJ as a quote demon. I mean,
he is a little.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Face just illuminated from inside that was such a happy,
happy child. I want you to hear Kay speaking in
our cut nine.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Listen.
Speaker 14 (26:08):
She should have answered my calls, She should have spoken
to me. I would have given her the money. She
could have let JJ entily live and had a million dollars.
She could have been free to be Chad's mistress and
foot the bill with the money from spilled blood, JJ
and Tyly.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Could have been with.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Us, living happy lives.
Speaker 14 (26:33):
Instead, she took all that away, all because she is
a money hungry, powermongering monster.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
And I will only have the precious memories.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
To cling to.
Speaker 14 (26:45):
Now. Memories are how I feel the love I so
desperately miss through the heinous acts of his mother, the.
Speaker 12 (26:52):
Deplorable woman that chose to be his mother, the woman
that five years earlier made the conscious decision to stand
up trying to judge the sport, to provide for, share
love and protect him.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
You know, to Laura Matthias, who has been covering this
case since it started, I try not to say story
because these are real people and real pain and real suffering.
You know, when I'm listening to Kay Woodcock describing the
children and how precious they were, they all all everybody
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that spoke tried to describe how disinterested called Mamy Vale
was during the proceedings.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
How she acted like she was, you.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Know, not even there had such contempt for what was happening.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
That is who she is.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
How would she react during trial when the description was
being given of how her children were murdered?
Speaker 5 (27:51):
She actually fought to not be in court. She didn't
think it was fair that she had to sit there.
You know, maybe she was embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
We had to do a sidebar that forever because she
didn't want to sit through listening to her children's autopsy reports.
She just didn't think that she needed to be there
for that. And then when she came back out yet
that is how she sat. She looked down, and she
sulked the rest of the time. There were some tears,
but you have to wonder what would you look for.
Were they for herself because she had to sit there
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and couldn't get away, or were they for the children
she brutally murdered. I have a feeling it wasn't that.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Could you tell us again, Lauren, what you saw of
the crime scene photos of the children?
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Yeah, I'll never forget it.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
You know, there are things.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
In your life that you'll never unsee, and this is
one of them.
Speaker 7 (28:40):
But I've been covering this case for three and a
half years.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
I had heard what the children had gone through, I
had heard some insider information, and nothing could prepare me
for what I saw JJ bound with duct tape, and
like I said, I'll bring it back like The duct
tape around his mouth was the most upsetting to me
because there's only one reason for that.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
There's only one reason, and it's to make sure.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
He can't scream, you know that, to keep him quiet,
that he knew what was going on, that he suffered,
that they tortured him. That's the only reason for duct
tape on the mouth. And I will never not see
his little seven year old face there and to think
who did it to him, the people that were supposed
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to protect him. You know, Tylie's palabus was the most
intact thing of her entire.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Body, and you could see what.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
They called chop wounds and stab wounds in her pelvis.
And an anthropologist had to come into it, an anthropologist
that does.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
Remains for ancient burial sites.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
That had to be the person that came in and
testified about what Tylee Ryan went through, sixteen year old
Tylli Ryan. And then they referred to finding her necklace
that she was wearing that day and the chop wounds
and stab wounds in her pelvis. That had nothing to
do with dismembering her or getting rid of her. Why
there were there what they did to her, will never know,
But that's just a hint of what she went through.
Speaker 13 (30:06):
Nancy, let me jump in here. Lori Valoda bel did
indeed address the court during her sentencing. Let's listen.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
We'd like to start by quoting John from the New
Testament in the Bible. In John chapter eight, verse seven,
Jesus says, he that is without sin among you, let
him cast first, cast a stone at her. Then in
verse fifteen, Jesus says, you judge after the flesh. I
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judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment
is true. Jesus knows me, and Jesus understands me. I
mourn with all of you who mourn my children and Tammy.
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Jesus Christ knows the truth of what happened here. Jesus
Christ knows that no one was murdered.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
In this case.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Accidental deaths happened, suicides happened, Fatal side effects from medications happened.
I have a different perspective in life because in two
thousand and two, when I was pregnant with Tylie, I
died in the hospital while in labor with her. They
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tried to stop my labor. They put me on the
table and they put something in my ivy and I
felt my spirit falling to the floor. I was standing
near my pregnant body, watching the doctors try to revive me,
which took them a few minutes. In that time, my
sister Stacy was standing to my left. I turned to
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hug her and was surprised that her spirit was as
tangible as a physical body.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
Because I knew I.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Was in spirit and she was in spirit. She said
she needed to show me some things and we went
to heaven. I later returned to my body. Because of
this experience, I have access to heaven and the spirit world.
Since then, I have had many communications from people now
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living in heaven, including my children, Tylie, Ashlyn and Joshua Jackson,
my sisters Stacy and Lollie, my aunts and my uncles,
and my grandparents. I have had many communications with Jesus Christ,
the Savior of this world, and our heavenly parents. I've
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had many angelic visitors have come and communicated with me
and even manifested themselves to me. Because of these communications,
I know for a fact that my my children are
happy and busy in the spirit world. Because of my
communications with my friend Tammy Dabell, I know that she
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is also very happy and extremely busy. I have always
mourned the loss of my loved ones, and I have
lost many in this mortal world. However, I know that
more than most people. I know where they are now
and what they're doing. I know how wonderful Heaven is,
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and I'm homesick for it every single day. I know
we all lived in heaven before we were born on earth,
and we were all adult spirits in the heavenly realm.
We chose to come to earth as mortals. Heaven is
more wonderful than you can possibly imagine. I do not
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fear death, but I look forward to it.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
I do not.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I did not want to return to my body when
I was out of it, even though my son Colby,
who I adored more than anything, was only six years
old at the time and I was about to give
birth to this new baby girl that I wanted so badly.
I was a young mother, and you would think I
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wouldn't want to leave my children, But as I stood
in heaven, I did not want to go back. I
thought they would be fine without me, because I was
peaceful and I was happy, and I was home. But
then I was told by Jesus that I needed to
go back and complete things that I had covenanted or
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promised to do before I was born. This caused me
a lot of distress because I knew heaven was my
real home and I only wanted to be there. I
was free from pain, emotional and physical. But then I
was shown how I would help my children and others
in the future, so ultimately I did agree to go
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back to my body. Tylie has visited me. She is
happy and very busy. Tylie is free now from all
the pains of her life. Tylie suffered horrible physical pain
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her whole life. I sat with Tylie in the hospital
year after year after year, while she screamed in pain,
when the morphine wasn't even enough to take away the
pain of her pancreatitis. I sat there while she cried,
and I held back her hair while she threw up.
And I am the only person on this earth who
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knows how much Tylie suffered in her life. She had
pain every single day. She never felt good. Her body
did not work right. And I don't know if that
was from complications for me, the dying while she was
being born, or something else, but she had a very
difficult life. She was sexually abused by her own biological
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father since she was three years old, and she was
forced by family court to go visit him for ten
years against her will. I fought for her in court.
I protected her. I tried to protect her with my
whole life. I tried to protect her. I worried about
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her every single day. Tyler had to get her ged
because she couldn't go to school every day, because she
never felt good, she felt sick. Nobody knows this because Tylie,
like myself, tries to put on a good front, tries
to be a happy person, tries to have hope in life,
tries to know that she's here for a purpose and
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that she has an eternal purpose to be on this earth.
But I never stopped worrying about her. One of the
times that Tyler came to me as a spirit after
she died, she said, she commanded me and she said
to me, stop worrying, Mom. We are fine. She knows
how I worry and how I miss her. The first
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time JJ visited me after he passed away, he put
his arm around me and he said to me, you
didn't do anything wrong. Mom. I love you, and I
know you loved me every minute of my life.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
JJ.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Joshua Jackson was an adult spirit and he was very
very tall when you put his arm around me. He
is busy, he is engaged, he has jobs that he
does there, and he is happy where he is. His
life was short, but JJ's life was meaningful. JJ was
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a wonderful person and touch the lives of everyone, and
I adored him every minute of his life. My eternal
friend Tammy Day Bell has visited me on several occasions.
She came to bring me peace and comfort, and I
know that she is extremely busy helping her family, especially
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her children and grandchildren. And I have a great love
for Tammy. My beautiful children, Tylie, Ashlyn and Joshua Jackson
rest safely this day in the arms of Jesus. My
wonderful friend, Tammy Day Bell rests safely this day in
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the arms of Jesus. And I look forward to the
day when we are all reunited, and I too will
rest with them in the arms of my Jesus.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
What will be the outcome off her net murder related trial.
I always say, when you don't know a horse, look
at her track record.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Nancy.
Speaker 13 (39:07):
I don't think anyone would have seen this coming. A
judge has ruled that Lori Valo Dabel can represent herself
at her two upcoming trials in Arizona.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
The judge's decision.
Speaker 13 (39:20):
Came just one day after two doctors agreed that Valo
is mentally fit to stand trial. The judge asked Valo
why she wanted to represent herself. She said, quote, for
the past five years that I've been incarcerated, I have
taken upon myself to study case law and criminal rules
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of procedure in the state of Idaho and Arizona as
well as federally. I have real trial experience. I have
participated in three different full trials from beginning to end.
She also told the judge that she had studied family
law for ten years before her twenty twenty now The
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judge did warn Valo of the dangers of not having
an attorney, but Valo said she understood and will take
the risks. The trial date for the Charles Valo murder
conspiracy case is set for March thirty first, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
We wait as just as un fALS. Goodbye, friendly
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, already.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Convicted in the murder of her two children, Colt Mom
Lourie Valo Meg's headlines yet again just in time for
her second murder related trial. I'm Nancy Grace, this is
Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. That's right,
we haven't heard the last of Coltman Laurie Valo. In
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the last days in Arizona, judge grants the convicted killer
Mom Laurie Valo's request for a mental competency evaluation before
her second criminal trial. Remember, son JJ was found in
Priestine condition dead, buried in a pet cemetery on her
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then I guess fifth husband's property.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
The Chad day Bell, while her daughter.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Tylely his body was found rendered down to basically nothing
but fat in a bucket, also buried in the pet
cemetery on Chad Daybell's property. Valo, along with the prophet
husband Chad Daybill, convicted and sent us to life behind
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bars in Idaho just last year, now set to stand
trial in Arizona for allegedly conspiring to kill her fourth husband,
Charles Valo, and her niece's ex husband.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I mean she's murderous, of.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Course, Lori Valo cult mom plea it's not guilty to
the crimes. For those of you that need it, Let's
jog our memories, refresh, our recollections as we say, what
exactly did Colt Mom Laurie Valo do back home in
Idaho it all started.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
It's amazing. I was looking at my notes way back.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
When when I was writing about as I called her
then Doomsday cult mom, now cult mom Laurie Vallo and
brand new husband Chad day Bill, And the very first
thing I wat was have chill Thursday to produce their children.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
That's how it all started.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
When these two children seemingly vanish into thin air, they
go missing. Then we found out about this twisted cult.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
That Laurie Valo.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I had become a meshed in and her prophet lover
turned husband, Chad day Bill.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
That's how it all started.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
When we couldn't find those children, that the search was
on and we speculated, are they being hidden away with
some of the cult followers. Are they in some aim
somewhere or some obscure home with the windows boarded up?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And why?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And actually that's what we hoped.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
We hoped that as bizarre as it was, these children
were somehow spirited away and were being kept by cult members,
as horrible as that would have been, and then as
the days, the weeks, the months passed, we realized they
weren't being hidden, that somewhere, somehow they were dead. All
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this happened while cult Mam Laurie Valo and her new
I believe four fifth confusing husband, the Prophet as he
calls himself, Chad Dabel, had gone to Hawaii and had
literally danced on the beach after their wedding ceremony, taking
wedding photos. You know how when you get married, a
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lot of people go stage photos on the beach.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
They actually did that.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Now, it probably was normal to the people standing around
them and watching them. But what those people didn't know
is that back home, Jj entirely had been brutally murdered
and buried on the Prophet Chad day Bell's property, actually
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at his pet cemetery.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
That's where the children were.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Then we began to speculate and wonder and investigate, well,
what about Tammy Daybell? She conveniently died right before their
Hawaii wedding. Then the evidence began to unfold, including coltman
Lauri Valo going on Amazon and buying a beach bacch
wedding dress and rings.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Before Tammy Day Bell died.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I mean, I'm sure when the jury heard that, their
heads were just spinning. Long story short, and proceeded from
there to an indictment for the both of them court wrangling.
Their trials were severed under the law, which means they
were tried separately. The first to go to trial Colt
Mom Laurie Valo, soon to follow the Prophet Chad de Bel.
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I'm looking back at these notes when we were still
looking for JJ andentyly believe it or not, we've gone
through investigation, indictment, and now sentencing after a very long
and tortuous jury trial. So many people have been affected
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by what Laurie Valo and her husband, the Prophet Chad
Dave Bell, have done. There are dead bodies connected to
these two. We still don't know the answer to those,
but right now with me and All Star panel to
make sense of what we know. Right now, Mark Tate
is joining me from the Tate Law Group. Mark has
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tried many many cases, including homicides. Sadly, on the other
side of the fence, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist, joining
US out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her
at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Chris McDonough is joining
US director of the Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective
for nearly three hundred homicides under his belt, those investigations,
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many of which ended in a guilty verdict. I found
him at the interview room on YouTube and you can
find him at Colcasefoundation dot org. But first I want
to go to a very well respected journalist, host of
Hidden true Crime podcast and YouTube channel, Lauren Matthias.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
What can you tell me about the prophet?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (06:42):
I can tell you a lot about the prophet Chad
Dave Bell. You know, I'm actually in Rexford right now, Nancy,
and we have been to his house.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Hey, hold on, right there, Lauren. I'm gonna come right
back to you.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
But doctor Angie, I want you to listen, especially to
what Laura Matthias to say. Because colet Mom and all
of her Kookie beliefs was still harmless until she got
with Chad day Bill. Then people started dying, Okay, So
that singally effect he had on her something I'd like you,
doctor Angie, to analyze.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Mark Tata. I want you to think about co defendants
under the law.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And Chris McDonough, we've seen a lot of murders where
usually the man masterminds it and the woman goes along
with it.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
What she can't call nine one one jump in McDonough.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Yeah, you know in this saga, I hear Nancy as
you've been talking about it from day one. This is
a situation where the two personalities come together and quite frankly,
she seems to be the more dominant one over this,
you know, false prophet Chad, and it's really been interesting
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to see that he's been just kind of tagging along,
but he has a tremendous amount of influence.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
But what okay, well back on his satellite, Yes, please
do so.
Speaker 7 (08:08):
I actually think it was Chad's belief system. Chad was
a doomsday author.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Chad had a scale where he rated people light to dark.
Chad would decide if somebody was a zombie, and he
is the one who labeled Tiley, sixteen year old Tylie,
Ryan Laurie's daughter, a zombie, calling her dark, calling her evil.
Chad was the one setting the stage with his belief system,
with his books. He was the speaker at these conferences,
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these preparing the people conferences where he would talk about
the end of the world and how we would have
white tents and we would have to shoot the zombies
that came. And so these two, what they have done
is horrendous.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
You know, sharing Lori Matthias speaking, who was there in town,
I guess that's Mark Ta go ahead, Mark, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I was going to just jump in for a moment.
Speaker 8 (09:00):
Mentioned something about us Bengali effect that this Chad Dave
Bell had, and I think it really is interesting because
you know, we just saw one of Charles Manson's followers paroled,
and I think that, you know, these types of cult
leaders are known to be very charismatic, and they make
the people who are working with them believe they're doing
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what they're doing voluntarily in support, and so it really
is a control situation. And we have layered on top
of that with Chad day Bell this underpinning of his
religious beliefs, and of course everything he was saying is.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Can you please stop Mark te right there?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Tay Tate?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yes or no? Have you ever given birth Mark Tate?
Speaker 8 (09:45):
No? But it's starting to feel like it in this interview.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Okay, no, No, that was a one that was just
a one word answer, because I don't give a flying
fig whose Bengali is. But when you are a mother
and you would go a long was somebody's idea for
you to kill your children?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
You can go straight to h E Double l.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It was proven in court that called my Laurie Valo
and the prophet husband Chad day Bell, murdered too. Valo's children,
seven year old JJ and sixteen year old Tyley, as
well as Chad Daybell's first wife, Tammy day Bell. Does
it never end with these two?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Now?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
While JJ and Tyley were still reported as missing, and
directly after Tammy Dave Bell's murder, Valo and Dave Bell
married in Hawaii that very same year. Tammy died in October,
and these two murderers fly to Hawaii for a beachside
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wedding the next month. That's not fishy at all, right,
JJ and Tirely were discovered in shallow grapes on Chad
day Bell's rural property in Rexburg months after they disappear
from home. The sixteen year old Tilely remains were burned,
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seven year old JJ's body bound in duct tape. Now
after the murder trial in Idaho, Valos spent several months
in an Idaho mental hospital and following those months, Let's
see who was the judge? I recall it as Judge
Boyce ruled she was quote returned to competency and fit
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to proceed in her first trial. Ido prosecutors claimed during
Valo's and day Bell's trial the pair had extreme, I say,
extremely bizarre religious beliefs, including the theory that people have
dark souls while others have light souls. They claim dark
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spirits could be so dark that they were zombies, and
Vala and da Bill had to kill them.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
They had no other choice right than to kill children.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, it ain't over yet. She is now facing charges
murder related charges in the death of husband Charles Vallo
and her niece's ex husband.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
What exactly happened?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I want you to hear this rack.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Levinthhaal joining us from Fox. Take a listen. Our cut
to still more.
Speaker 9 (12:52):
Questions than answers in the disappearance of an Idaho brother
and sister. Seven year old Joshua and seventeen year old
ty Lee haven't been seen.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
In September, the kid's.
Speaker 9 (13:01):
Mother, Lauri Valo, and her new husband left for Hawaii
about three months ago. Valo and her new husband are
members of a religious group preparing for the biblical end
of times, and they've been surrounded by sudden deaths. Her
brother killed her estranged husband last July, then he died
in December, and her new husband's former wife died in October.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Authority served a search warrant on day Bell's home Tuesday,
leading to the discovery of what now police confirm is
two sets of human remains in the backyard.
Speaker 10 (13:32):
New developments and somber news coming out of the Lori
Valo case. Relatives of the Vallo family say that the
human remains found at the Idaho home of Valo's husband,
Chad Dabll, are in fact Valo's children, JJ Vallo and
Tylie Ryan.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You know, it's really hard if you're trying to parse
words and split hairs. Who is the mastermind between these
two but burying the children's remains Chad Dabell's backyard, I
don't know what kind of mastermind devised that, But it
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wasn't that difficult for their remains to be found. We
had to get enough PC probable cause to search his property.
As the prosecutor described the way that Tyley was the murder,
especially the part when he pointed out yet again which
was already in autopsy reports.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
That there were stab marks in.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Tiley's pelvic area that were not consistent with dismemberment. In
other words, he believes this teen girl, gorgeous young girl
who was a mommy's girl, was stabbed dead.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
She was stabbed prior to dismemberment.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
When Kay Woodcock began speaking, she listed out a series
of numbers, which I didn't really know what she was
talking about, but only she would know what those numbers were.
Fourteen hundred days since I haven't seen JJ this day
that she had all measured out, basically dissecting and chronologizing
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the time since the children first went missing, and they
were missing for several months before they were ever reported
missing because Coleman Laurie Valid kept lying about where they
were with me. All Star Panel Chrismin Dunna is joining
US director Cold Case Foundation for mor homicide detective and
star of the interview rim on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Chris, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
What they endured Little jjge seven Tyler a teen girl
sixteen at the time of their deaths, and that literally
made me want to strangle Colt Mom Lorie Valid, who
by the way, sat there and hid behind her lawyers
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and looked completely disinterested. One time, one time, Chris Nindana,
I saw her, very briefly. What her face with a tissue?
What did you make of these two young people went through.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
One thing we don't need to forget is she she
is a serial killer. When we think about the horror
that these children had to endure, the you know, the
child that's cut apart, put into a plastic container and
then buried. And this poor little autistic child, this little
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boy whose last photograph is taken at you know, you
old faithful, she is evil to the core. I agree
with you one thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
You know when you said that that last picture at Yellowstone.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Those moments that she had with her.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Children, and knowing full well that she planned to murder them,
and doctor Angela Arnold while she's there, Angela doctor Angie
is a renowned psychiatrist. I call her doctor Angie. But
doctor Angie, the thought that you are taking that picture,
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I mean, I've got all ours framed all over the
house of us at Yellowstone, because she knew at that
time of that picture she was going to kill them.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
She knew what was going to happen, did JJ and Tyly?
Speaker 11 (17:34):
You know, Nancy, That's why, that's why it's very important
for us to realize that she is not capable of
being rehabilitated. There is no rehabilitation in this woman's future.
The mental health providers that evaluated her couldn't even come
up with a.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Diagnosis for her.
Speaker 11 (17:54):
And we watch a woman who cannot cannot bring any
remorse out of herself, no shedding of a tear, nothing,
She can't bring any remorse out of herself. And the
first step in rehabilitation, Nancy, is to acknowledge what you've
done and to have feelings associated with what you've done.
Speaker 12 (18:18):
So this woman is.
Speaker 11 (18:19):
Completely uncapable of being rehambed.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Laura Anthias wants in about the autopsy jump in, Lauren.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Yeah, thanks, Nancy. I saw the autopsy photos. I saw
the children on the crime scene, or what was left
of them, what was left of Tyley's pelvis.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
I saw it. I saw the stab marks in her pelvis.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I saw JJ's face, and I saw the duct tape
chin to chin covering his mouth, so I assume he
couldn't scream, And I will never forget it. What happened
to those children is beyond imagination. You can hear it
over and over and over again, and when you see it,
when you see it, the evil knows no bounds. And
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I just wanted to jump in and say that I
will never forget seeing JJ and Tyly ever and what
happened to them.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You know, Lauren Matthias, there were many, many times, and
this exact moment right now is bringing it back. That
would be in front of a jury showing them crime
scene photos, couldn't show typically couldn't show autopsy photos of people,
including children's bodies, and describing it for them and eliciting testimony.
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And I would have to steal myself not to just
break down and cry. And the evil that can be
committed on other people, much less children. Now I'm thinking
about Tyley and the stab wounds into her pelvis. She
was largely skeletonized, there was some tissue left, but that
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means that those stab wounds likely went through all the
way to her bone.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And the way that she was disposed of.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
But I've seen the bucket, a photo of it, a
bucket full of basically these children were rendered.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Have you ever heard that phrase, Mark Tate.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Mark Tate, veteran trial lawyer joining us from the Tate
Law Group.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Out of Savannah.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Rendering rendering, that's what you what people do in slaughterhouses
to animals, and they tear apart the.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Body and try to get rid of it.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
You're exactly right now, we hear right right up here.
The world capital of fruitcakes is Claxton and they have
lots of chicken rendering plants there as well. And you're right.
It's an absolute destruction of the entire body. And so
not only did you have here this unbelievably vile, hateful,
terrifying thing that'ssed on some kind of cult preaching or teaching,
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but you have this effort to try to I guess,
encourage more rapid decomposition of the body. So you know,
folks have talked about whether this person is going to
be rehabilitated. That's clearly ludicrous. That can never happen.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Cult my Laurie Valo in the headlines again granted a
mental health exam as she heads into her.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Second murder related trial.
Speaker 13 (21:43):
Nancy Lourie Vello was granted a competency hearing relating to
the additional charges filed against her. Once again, court appointed
doctors deemed Lorie Valo Dabil fit to face charges, this
time for conspiring to kill her estranged husband, Charles Bellow
and her niece's ex spouse. Now Lori Vello's fourth husband,
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Charles Vello, was shot and killed by Valo dave Bel's brother, Alex.
He told police he acted in self defense and he
was never charged. Alex later died himself. So now Lourie
Vello moves forward to her Arizona trial.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
It never ends with this woman. What exactly happened?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
You know, when I first heard about the indictment to
Chris McDonough, I was less than impressed by a grand
theft charge being thrown in because I was concerned about
the actual murders.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
But they were right. They were right.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Because greed, greed taking part in conspiring to murder Tammy.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Dave Bel's completely innocent woman.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
But when I was looking at those pictures of Tyley
just you know, starting her life as a young and
brother and sister so in love with each other, having
so much fun, all their lives ahead of them, having
their own families and get togethers and happy moments. Just
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look at little JJ's little snagglety tooth tea all they
had to look forward to.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It's so young.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And then the pictures of Tammy Dabill working as a librarian,
working with underprivileged children, coming home from a long day,
thinking she was going to get a good night's sleep,
and never waking up after her body was dug up, exhumed,
when we find out she was asphyxiated, smothered dead, and
(23:46):
for what For life insurance proceeds four hundred something thousand
dollars and continued Social Security benefits for these two. It
was all about greed, which takes me back to that
grand theft charge yarge is just overwhelming. I mean, Chris mcdana,
you've processed, investigated, handle over three hundred homicides. To think
(24:10):
of money as motive, how much more cold blood it
could she be?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
You know, she is so past feeling nancy to your
point that you know the seven deadly sins, right greed
being one of them. She literally, while preaching a spiritual
persona had made a deal with the devil and he
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came collecting after he required a prerequisite of those children's lives.
And this is what makes her so, I think challenging
to understand, because there she is dancing on the beach
in Hawaii, whe her ukulele and the lags and all
(25:00):
the stuff that comes along with that, and yet withinside
of her mind and the individual with her, she knows
that her child, both of her children, have been one
of them at least dismembered and buried. And yet she's
just in this other place, and it is driven by
(25:24):
this unbelievable sense of I want more. It's hard to
understand it.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Certainly, I want more everything, Chris.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I want more men, I want more sex, I want
more power, I want more money.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I want a different lifestyle without these children. And when
what Kate Woodcock described the way that caught my Lori
Valo talked about little JJ as a quote demon. I mean,
he is a little.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Face just illuminated from inside that was such a happy,
happy child. I want you to hear Kay speaking in
our cut nine.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Listen.
Speaker 14 (26:08):
She should have answered my calls, She should have spoken
to me. I would have given her the money. She
could have let JJ entily live and had a million dollars.
She could have been free to be Chad's mistress and
foot the bill with the money from spilled blood, JJ
and Tyly.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Could have been with.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Us, living happy lives.
Speaker 14 (26:33):
Instead, she took all that away, all because she is
a money hungry, powermongering monster.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
And I will only have the precious memories.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
To cling to.
Speaker 14 (26:45):
Now. Memories are how I feel the love I so
desperately miss through the heinous acts of his mother, the.
Speaker 12 (26:52):
Deplorable woman that chose to be his mother, the woman
that five years earlier made the conscious decision to stand
up trying to judge the sport, to provide for, share
love and protect him.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
You know, to Laura Matthias, who has been covering this
case since it started, I try not to say story
because these are real people and real pain and real suffering.
You know, when I'm listening to Kay Woodcock describing the
children and how precious they were, they all all everybody
(27:28):
that spoke tried to describe how disinterested called Mamy Vale
was during the proceedings.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
How she acted like she was, you.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Know, not even there had such contempt for what was happening.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
That is who she is.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
How would she react during trial when the description was
being given of how her children were murdered?
Speaker 5 (27:51):
She actually fought to not be in court. She didn't
think it was fair that she had to sit there.
You know, maybe she was embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
We had to do a sidebar that forever because she
didn't want to sit through listening to her children's autopsy reports.
She just didn't think that she needed to be there
for that. And then when she came back out yet
that is how she sat. She looked down, and she
sulked the rest of the time. There were some tears,
but you have to wonder what would you look for.
Were they for herself because she had to sit there
(28:19):
and couldn't get away, or were they for the children
she brutally murdered. I have a feeling it wasn't that.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Could you tell us again, Lauren, what you saw of
the crime scene photos of the children?
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Yeah, I'll never forget it.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
You know, there are things.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
In your life that you'll never unsee, and this is
one of them.
Speaker 7 (28:40):
But I've been covering this case for three and a
half years.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
I had heard what the children had gone through, I
had heard some insider information, and nothing could prepare me
for what I saw JJ bound with duct tape, and
like I said, I'll bring it back like The duct
tape around his mouth was the most upsetting to me
because there's only one reason for that.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
There's only one reason, and it's to make sure.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
He can't scream, you know that, to keep him quiet,
that he knew what was going on, that he suffered,
that they tortured him. That's the only reason for duct
tape on the mouth. And I will never not see
his little seven year old face there and to think
who did it to him, the people that were supposed
(29:23):
to protect him. You know, Tylie's palabus was the most
intact thing of her entire.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Body, and you could see what.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
They called chop wounds and stab wounds in her pelvis.
And an anthropologist had to come into it, an anthropologist
that does.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
Remains for ancient burial sites.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
That had to be the person that came in and
testified about what Tylee Ryan went through, sixteen year old
Tylli Ryan. And then they referred to finding her necklace
that she was wearing that day and the chop wounds
and stab wounds in her pelvis. That had nothing to
do with dismembering her or getting rid of her. Why
there were there what they did to her, will never know,
But that's just a hint of what she went through.
Speaker 13 (30:06):
Nancy, let me jump in here. Lori Valoda bel did
indeed address the court during her sentencing. Let's listen.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
We'd like to start by quoting John from the New
Testament in the Bible. In John chapter eight, verse seven,
Jesus says, he that is without sin among you, let
him cast first, cast a stone at her. Then in
verse fifteen, Jesus says, you judge after the flesh. I
(30:34):
judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment
is true. Jesus knows me, and Jesus understands me. I
mourn with all of you who mourn my children and Tammy.
(30:57):
Jesus Christ knows the truth of what happened here. Jesus
Christ knows that no one was murdered.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
In this case.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Accidental deaths happened, suicides happened, Fatal side effects from medications happened.
I have a different perspective in life because in two
thousand and two, when I was pregnant with Tylie, I
died in the hospital while in labor with her. They
(31:32):
tried to stop my labor. They put me on the
table and they put something in my ivy and I
felt my spirit falling to the floor. I was standing
near my pregnant body, watching the doctors try to revive me,
which took them a few minutes. In that time, my
sister Stacy was standing to my left. I turned to
(31:55):
hug her and was surprised that her spirit was as
tangible as a physical body.
Speaker 7 (32:02):
Because I knew I.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Was in spirit and she was in spirit. She said
she needed to show me some things and we went
to heaven. I later returned to my body. Because of
this experience, I have access to heaven and the spirit world.
Since then, I have had many communications from people now
(32:25):
living in heaven, including my children, Tylie, Ashlyn and Joshua Jackson,
my sisters Stacy and Lollie, my aunts and my uncles,
and my grandparents. I have had many communications with Jesus Christ,
the Savior of this world, and our heavenly parents. I've
(32:47):
had many angelic visitors have come and communicated with me
and even manifested themselves to me. Because of these communications,
I know for a fact that my my children are
happy and busy in the spirit world. Because of my
communications with my friend Tammy Dabell, I know that she
(33:11):
is also very happy and extremely busy. I have always
mourned the loss of my loved ones, and I have
lost many in this mortal world. However, I know that
more than most people. I know where they are now
and what they're doing. I know how wonderful Heaven is,
(33:34):
and I'm homesick for it every single day. I know
we all lived in heaven before we were born on earth,
and we were all adult spirits in the heavenly realm.
We chose to come to earth as mortals. Heaven is
more wonderful than you can possibly imagine. I do not
(33:55):
fear death, but I look forward to it.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
I do not.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I did not want to return to my body when
I was out of it, even though my son Colby,
who I adored more than anything, was only six years
old at the time and I was about to give
birth to this new baby girl that I wanted so badly.
I was a young mother, and you would think I
(34:20):
wouldn't want to leave my children, But as I stood
in heaven, I did not want to go back. I
thought they would be fine without me, because I was
peaceful and I was happy, and I was home. But
then I was told by Jesus that I needed to
go back and complete things that I had covenanted or
(34:42):
promised to do before I was born. This caused me
a lot of distress because I knew heaven was my
real home and I only wanted to be there. I
was free from pain, emotional and physical. But then I
was shown how I would help my children and others
in the future, so ultimately I did agree to go
(35:04):
back to my body. Tylie has visited me. She is
happy and very busy. Tylie is free now from all
the pains of her life. Tylie suffered horrible physical pain
(35:24):
her whole life. I sat with Tylie in the hospital
year after year after year, while she screamed in pain,
when the morphine wasn't even enough to take away the
pain of her pancreatitis. I sat there while she cried,
and I held back her hair while she threw up.
And I am the only person on this earth who
(35:46):
knows how much Tylie suffered in her life. She had
pain every single day. She never felt good. Her body
did not work right. And I don't know if that
was from complications for me, the dying while she was
being born, or something else, but she had a very
difficult life. She was sexually abused by her own biological
(36:09):
father since she was three years old, and she was
forced by family court to go visit him for ten
years against her will. I fought for her in court.
I protected her. I tried to protect her with my
whole life. I tried to protect her. I worried about
(36:29):
her every single day. Tyler had to get her ged
because she couldn't go to school every day, because she
never felt good, she felt sick. Nobody knows this because Tylie,
like myself, tries to put on a good front, tries
to be a happy person, tries to have hope in life,
tries to know that she's here for a purpose and
(36:51):
that she has an eternal purpose to be on this earth.
But I never stopped worrying about her. One of the
times that Tyler came to me as a spirit after
she died, she said, she commanded me and she said
to me, stop worrying, Mom. We are fine. She knows
how I worry and how I miss her. The first
(37:16):
time JJ visited me after he passed away, he put
his arm around me and he said to me, you
didn't do anything wrong. Mom. I love you, and I
know you loved me every minute of my life.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
JJ.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Joshua Jackson was an adult spirit and he was very
very tall when you put his arm around me. He
is busy, he is engaged, he has jobs that he
does there, and he is happy where he is. His
life was short, but JJ's life was meaningful. JJ was
(38:02):
a wonderful person and touch the lives of everyone, and
I adored him every minute of his life. My eternal
friend Tammy Day Bell has visited me on several occasions.
She came to bring me peace and comfort, and I
know that she is extremely busy helping her family, especially
(38:24):
her children and grandchildren. And I have a great love
for Tammy. My beautiful children, Tylie, Ashlyn and Joshua Jackson
rest safely this day in the arms of Jesus. My
wonderful friend, Tammy Day Bell rests safely this day in
(38:47):
the arms of Jesus. And I look forward to the
day when we are all reunited, and I too will
rest with them in the arms of my Jesus.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
What will be the outcome off her net murder related trial.
I always say, when you don't know a horse, look
at her track record.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Nancy.
Speaker 13 (39:07):
I don't think anyone would have seen this coming. A
judge has ruled that Lori Valo Dabel can represent herself
at her two upcoming trials in Arizona.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
The judge's decision.
Speaker 13 (39:20):
Came just one day after two doctors agreed that Valo
is mentally fit to stand trial. The judge asked Valo
why she wanted to represent herself. She said, quote, for
the past five years that I've been incarcerated, I have
taken upon myself to study case law and criminal rules
(39:40):
of procedure in the state of Idaho and Arizona as
well as federally. I have real trial experience. I have
participated in three different full trials from beginning to end.
She also told the judge that she had studied family
law for ten years before her twenty twenty now The
(40:01):
judge did warn Valo of the dangers of not having
an attorney, but Valo said she understood and will take
the risks. The trial date for the Charles Valo murder
conspiracy case is set for March thirty first, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
We wait as just as un fALS. Goodbye, friendly
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