November 4, 2020 • 37 mins
A Texas man allegedly guns down his wife, then posts a YouTube video in which he tells his children it's her fault. Trent Paschal, 48, accuses his wife Savannah of cheating. After Savannah Paschal leaves the home, the husband lies in wait in the shower for her return.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Ashley Willcott - Judge and trial attorney, Anchor on Court TV, www.ashleywillcott.com
- Caryn Stark - NYC Psychologist, www.carynstark.com
- Chris Byers - former Police Chief Johns Creek Georgia, 25 years as Police Officer, now Private Investigator and Polygraph Examiner, www.chrisbyersinvestigationsandpolygraph.com
- Dr. Kris Sperry - Former Chief Medical Examiner State of Georgia
- Ray Caputo - Lead News Anchor for Orlando's Morning News, 96.5 WDBO
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A bizarre video leads to
a surprising turn of events. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
(00:37):
I'm recording this because I want my daughter to know.
But I love you, Kensee Pascal. I'm so sorry that
I've done this. I want you to know that you
mean everything to me and William I love you too.
(00:57):
I love you so much. I love you like your mom.
I didn't choose this. Your mom chose this. She's been
cheating on me for a long time. I have audio
of her talking to other guys. I didn't do nothing
wrong to her. When we first got together. I told her,
(01:19):
you're too young for me. There's an eighteen year old
difference in her age, and I knew she was kind
of too young, but I didn't. She's been playing me
for a fall. I told her not to mess with me,
not to mess with my emotions, don't play with me.
Oh well, right off the bat, I'm concerned because he's
(01:40):
saying it's all her fault. So where is she and
what is the meaning of this video? Why do grown
adults feel they have to share all their sex problems,
their adultery, their issues with their children. Is that necessary? Guys,
(02:02):
take a listen to more of this guy unloading. I
got an audio where she was calling a guy yesterday
on her way to get her eyelashes done, and she
said hey, baby, and he goes hey, and I was like,
that's not my voice. Why is she calling somebody else baby?
Then she started talking about a dream and everything, and
(02:23):
she had with them too, about sex and everything. I'll
put everything into this relationship. I have done nothing to
your mom. I've never hit her, I've never heard her,
I've never called her names. A couple of times when
I got really mad, I would I would say a
bad word or something. But I've done everything I can.
(02:45):
I haven't done anything wrong. I'm like, why me, My
hair's a mask and I look horrible. Oh sorry, take
these off. I love you, Mackenzie. I love you so much.
Please do something good with your life. Okay? Number one
(03:08):
mean thanks? Thou dost protest too much. I can't claim
that that was Shakespeare. If you haven't done anything wrong,
then why are you saying I haven't done anything wrong?
Right there? I think you've done something wrong. Let me
introduce an all star panel to break it down and
put it back together again. I bet they've got a mouthful.
Ashley Wilcott judge, trial lawyer, anchor Court TV at Ashley
(03:29):
Wilcot dot com. Karen start renowned New York psychologist joining
us from Manhattan. You can find her at Karen Stark
dot com. That's Karen with a c. Former police chief
John's Creek twenty five years on the fours now PI
and polygrapher at Chris Buyer's Investigations and polygraph dot com.
(03:51):
Former chief medical examiner for the entire state of Georgia.
I put him on the stand many many times, and
only now do I cross examine him for a medical examiner,
doctor Chris Sperry, but first to lead a news anchor
for Orlando Morning News w DBO Ray Kiputo, let me
ask you a few very narrow questions, Ray, who is
(04:16):
this person speaking. His name is Trent Pascal Nancy's He's
a forty eight year old. He lives in Lamark, Texas,
which is a suburb of Houston, you know, really close
to Galaviston in the Gulf Coast. He's a father, he
was married, he had a couple of young kids, and
I believe he's a YouTube creator. Yeah, what do you mean?
(04:36):
YouTube creator. Are you saying he created YouTube like Al
Gore created the Internet? No, Nancy, it's kind of a
term to people that create YouTube contact. You mean a
YouTube er. It's that the same thing, because my son's
always running in and going mom, mom, So and so
makes forty eight million dollars a year as a YouTube er.
(04:57):
Am I okay, Well they did not teach me that
at law skills though, Sadie, you're gonna have to live
off with your father and I make so okay, he's
a YouTuber. So that was my next question. You read
my mind, Ray Kaputo w DBO. So he's posting these videos,
they're not just audios on YouTube? Is that where we're
(05:17):
finding them on YouTube? Yes, ma'am right, on YouTube where
anybody can access them, not only kids, but anybody around
the world can see this. Oh okay, So you're hearing
this guy, Trent Pascal father husband ranting. It's not really ranting,
would you say ranting? He's more like and I keep
(05:38):
notice he's saying why me, why me? And another thing
to you, Karen start he says, I never hit her?
Is that the litmus test? So if you don't beat
your wife, then you're a great husband. There's something this
guy is definitely a psychopath. To listen to him. I mean,
(05:59):
in the middle of the start you think everybody's either
a sex pervert, which is probably true, or I'm very
suspicious of Jackie and Brett here in the studio, but
wait a minute, or you think they're a psychopath. You
need to tell me what your definition of psychopath is,
Karen start, because very often you and I have very
different ideas about what you're talking about. What's a psychopath
(06:20):
in the mind of Karen Stark, And granted you're the shrink,
not me, go ahead. So he's somebody who doesn't really
care about other people. He's not authentic, you could tell,
I mean, in order to be able to kill somebody, Nancy,
or harm somebody or even I mean there's something wrong
than you're even talking about hitting a woman, right. But
(06:42):
in the middle of him talking about I'm really sorry,
I really am so sorry I did this, he starts
talking about how he looks. Oh, I'm all messed up.
I don't look. Then he's crying, but then he sounds well,
I can hear you. You said he talks about how
he looks. Is that what you said yes, but it's
here is not okay? That he doesn't look all right
on the mess. And there's just he doesn't have a
(07:06):
regard for human life. Now, I don't know how you
are interpreting he has no regard for human life because
he says I look like a mess. Because I say
that pretty much every time I remember to look in
a mirror. I'm like, ah, so I think I have
regard for human life. But I hear you the litmus test.
(07:27):
Litmus test is I didn't ever hit her, so that
a good marriage doesn't make And I got another question
for you, Chief Buyers with me Chris Buyer's former police
chief John's Creek Now Chris Buyer's investigation said polygraph dot com.
That's a mouthful, Chris. So we're gonna have to kind
of work on your website because I just can't say
(07:48):
that every single time, you know, I talking sal bikes. Chris,
question you, what does he mean? I got an audio
I got hey, can we hear hey one more time? Listen?
Listen to how he starts his whole thing off, Chief Buyers.
I got an audio where she was calling a guy
yesterday on her way to get her eyelashes done, and
(08:12):
she said hey baby, and he goes hey, and I
was like, that's not my voice. Why is she calling
somebody else baby? And she started talking about a dream
and everything, and she had with them too, about sex
and everything. I'll put everything into this relationship. I have
done nothing to your mom. I've never hit her, I've
never heard her, I've never called her names. A couple
(08:35):
of times when I got really mad, I would, I
would say a bad word or something. But I've done
everything I can. I haven't done anything wrong. I'm like,
why me? My hears a mask and I look horrible.
Oh sorry, take these off. I love you, Mackenzie. I
(08:58):
love you so much. Please do something good with your life.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about
(09:21):
some very bizarre YouTube postings by this guy last named Pascal,
and he's talking about boo hoo. Did you hear him
fake crying? He's going his voice kind of cracks, and
then suddenly he gets over that and he says, gee,
I really look bad. But before that he's talking about
how he hasn't hit his wife, he hasn't called her names.
(09:44):
Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, anchor Court TV at Ashley
Wilcot dot com with two ts, Ashley, I really respect
your CV and all your qualifications, but you're also a
wife and mother of three, so I think you're going
to understand what I'm about to say. So far, my
(10:08):
husband has not called me a name that I know
of anyway, not the B word, C word that I'm
sure there are a lot more words that I'm not
even thinking of yet to my face or behind my
back that I know of. So is that the litmus test?
You don't call your wife a B T H right too?
You're facing you don't hit her? Somehow, I feel like
(10:28):
he's trying to explain something away. He is trying to
explain something away. And he also says, I didn't choose this,
your mom did. Are you kidding me? Even if you
feel that way, there are lots of other options. Let
me think about, Nancy. What's a good option if you're
going to do that, I don't know. Counseling for one thing,
counseling whatever. And whatever he's saying is that it's all
(10:55):
her fault. Yet he's the one taking to YouTube, Um,
take one more. Listen to this guy Pascal telling all
on YouTube. Please do something really good because you deserve
a good life. And I don't know what else to say.
(11:19):
I'm I'm so sorry. I don't have better words right now.
I've already a true bad I don't know what else
to do anymore. I didn't do nothing wrong to her.
(11:40):
I provided what I could. I've done what I could
for her. I've done nothing but good for her, and
I've treated y'all good. I've done good things for y'all.
And I just I don't know what else to say.
I love you, McKenzie. I love you so much. Do
(12:03):
something good with your life. Make me proud. Okay. He's
going on and on and on, and that's a sign
that you should know to yourself when you say, I
don't know what else to say, but you keep talking
as probably should be a red flag to you or
to me. Just stop stop talking if possible, you know,
Chief Buyers, I got off on a tangent about the
(12:24):
B word and the C word and every other word.
But did you know how did you notice how he
started that last segment of his audio YouTube confessional. I
got an audio sounds like he's listening to his wife's
voice messages or has somehow bugged the home because it's
his wife, he says, talking to a guy as she
(12:48):
was on her way to get her eyelashes done whatever
that means. And she's saying hey baby, and talking about
a sex dream she had. Now this is according to him,
So what does that mean? I got an audio? Yeah,
it sounds to me like my interpretation is that he
has planted some type of recording device in her car
(13:10):
in the home and is listening to her. Or again,
like you said, it could be listening to her voicemails.
But it definitely when I first heard that, it jumps
out that he has got some type of bug by
recording her conversations. You know what, chief fires. I remember
the first time I ever actually saw one of those
installed in a home. I mean I knew about them.
(13:31):
I'd investigated them, cops had shown them to me once
they were taken into evidence. But I went to an
arson scene of a mansion of a really wealthy guy
in Atlanta that killed his wife, killed her, then he
burned the house down to cover it up. And behind
I believe it's the fridge was a big hank and
recorder device, or he had been listening to her and
(13:53):
all of her calls that she had been making for
a long period of time. According devices, I kind of
feel Karen Stark is step one and a marriage spiral
or a relationship spiraling down. Because if you feel that
you've got to record somebody or listen to their voicemails,
(14:13):
you got a problem. You certainly do, Nancy, because how
does that. It doesn't represent trust, It doesn't represent anything
that we would think of as normal. Obviously somebody is
suspicious and instead of being able to have a conversation
discuss it, go for help, see a therapist in recording
(14:34):
the other person, Karen Stark, are you telling me you've
never listened to your husband's voicemail ever? Not even once? No,
not unless you tell me wants me to hear something,
Because I totally am just curious by nature. And I
listened to David. My ears started blaming boring things I
have ever heard. I've never made that mistake again, the
(14:58):
same thing I haven't want to try to read. I
thought I was going to pass out. It was the
most boring set of emails I have ever read. I
went through like eighty They were awful. I've never done
it again. My fingers are hurt from touching the copp
hear So you know the reality is Ashley Wilcot, judge,
trial lawyer, court TV anchor. A lot of times people
(15:20):
just get curious and they listen. But planning a recording
device I think is one step further than that. Oh
I would suggest it is too. And you know why
someone might plant so, first of all, absolutely human curiosity.
You might look at a text when it comes in
because it happens to be in front of you, something
like that. That's human nature. But why do you plant
(15:41):
a recording device? Why because you do not trust that
person and necessarily there's likely going to be a consequence
to that. Now, most people, that consequence is going to
be a confrontation, maybe an argument, maybe counseling, maybe ultimately divorced.
That's where that would lead. Well, he left speed, nobody
everybody had to get his YouTube's take a listen to
(16:03):
this and Mom, I love you. You've been the angel
through my whole life, taking care of me. You're there
when I need you, You've always answered the phone for me.
You've done everything. Sorry, I keep looking at the cameras.
I don't know how much time I have, but I've
never done anything like so. I don't know. I'm so
(16:28):
I was going back. My mind is everywhere. I can't
concentrate right now. I didn't anyways, Mom, I love you
so much, or my angel, I love you. You mean
everything to me and Dad. You've done a lot for
me too, and you've taken care of me. You raised
me good, You've done whatever you could. Thank you. I appreciate.
(16:52):
I love you so much. You've loved me like your
own Okay, fam Ling, fm Ling Famling. Ray Kaputo, lead
news anchor Orlando's morning News w DBO. Have you looked
at these YouTube videos because I have. He's not crying,
(17:12):
he's going but I don't see any tears coming from
his eyes. Does that I'll have to go to the
shrink and I'll have to go to the shrink and
the Emmy on this Is that possible, Nancy? I'll tell
you what I noticed, the same thing. I mean, he
looks like he's pretending to cry. I don't see one,
you know, tears shut from his eyes. And then also
how quickly he snaps back to almost like this this cool,
(17:35):
common collected position where he's pretending to be upset, but
you know it looks like a farce to me. Time
Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a guy
(17:59):
who takes to the airwaves and leaves all these quasi
tearful messages about how he didn't hit his wife, how
she cheated on him, how he got an audio of
her talking to a boyfriend and then telling his mom
what all she did for him in life, and how
grateful he is. And he sounds like he's trying to cry,
(18:20):
but we've all noticed he's actually not crying. Doctor Chris Sperry,
the former chief medical Examiner for the entire state of Georgia,
very well known. Chris. I've had you on the stand
many many times, and I don't know if this ever
happened while you were there, but I would just love
it when, obviously, if you're on the stand, that means
(18:42):
there's been a murder at least one dead body of
not more. When the defendant would start crying and I
would just stop everything and go, why are you shaking,
doctor Sperry? Is he's shaking and pretending to be crying
over there because I don't see any tears. I mean,
this guy goes on and on and on going sniveling,
(19:02):
but there are no tears. Is that physically possible that
you can cry with no tears? Is that even crying? No,
it's not. It's fake. Fake, It's all fake. So which
leads me to the next question, why fake it? I
think we're about to find out. Take a listen to
(19:23):
Robert Arnold KPRC two. Trent ambushed them and started shooting.
He was told to leave their house by police, but
never did. He hit and waited behind a shower curtain.
Savannah's mom tustled with him and tried to fight him off,
but it was too late. She called me and said
that there had been gunfire and my wife was there
(19:45):
when it happened, and we believe he took a shot
at her and thank god he missed, but he shot
our daughter and left the scene. She heard the gunshots
as she was going for help. She heard our daughter's
last scream and that it's hard to take. You are hearing,
(20:06):
Katie r k ABC thirteen. You are hearing that either
before or after these videos emerge on YouTube. Pascal allegedly
ambushes his wife's Savannah, the one he's been talking about
how this is all her fault and her mom police
tell him to leave the residence, but he doesn't. He
(20:28):
hides behind a shower curtain. Savannah, his wife's mother, tried
to fight Pascal off, didn't work. He took a shot,
apparently at the mother in law. The mother hears her
daughter's last scream take a listen now to KPRC to
Houston and A rest warrant filed in this case reads,
(20:50):
Trent Pascal hid in the master bathroom shower and ambushed
his wife and her mother. He is now formally facing
murder charges. We've been praying every day, and I mean
we're praying people and we're praying for their family. And
Donald Riddick lives just across the street from Trent in
Savannah Pascal his children played with their children. Man, it's
(21:10):
it's just a big surprise that to me. Riddick says.
He and his wife never saw the couple arguing, that
is until the morning of October twenty first. After the argument,
Trent left and Savannah had went to the neighbor's house
to ask for help, court documents read. Later in the morning,
Savannah and her mother returned home. Trent was hiding in
(21:31):
the bathroom and ambushed the pair investigator's right. Savannah was
shot twice in the stomach. Her mother was able to escape,
joining me. Ray kiputerlad news anchor Orlando's Morning News WDBO.
Suddenly what was almost laughable as taking a sinister, deadly
and tragic turn. The wife he has been blaming in
(21:53):
all of his YouTube videos is dead. According to police,
this guy hid from his owne to ambush her in
the shower. Who does that? To ry cofete? Right, tell
me the sequence of events as we know them, well, Nancy.
First off, this isn't a couple that had a stormy relationship,
(22:14):
at least on the surface. I mean their social media
everything shows that they seem to be in a stable relationship,
and neighbors that they said they didn't even see the
couple fight until all this unfolded on Wednesday, where they
have this falling out and then Savannah she runs to
the neighbor's house for help, and I think at that
point Trent ends up leaving. They had had a falling out.
(22:34):
Savannah and Trent have this falling out before all of
this happens, and I believe this is right after, right
before the video is made. But they have a fight
and she ends up running to the neighbor's house. Okay,
and she's obviously afraid of Trent enough at this point
to bring other people in. And she runs to the
neighbor's house, and then at some point her mom catches
(22:55):
up with her and they leave to go check on
the kids at school. Okay, So they actually leave the
house and no one's at the house, and at that
point it's believed that Trent comes back and actually hides
in the bedroom. Okay, Wow, why did they go check
on the children at school? Well, we don't know that yet,
but I'm assuming in that fight that it was a
pretty you know, giving what we know happened after, I
(23:16):
believe that it was a pretty you know, a pretty
threatening fight where I would assume that there was some
threats to me towards the kid, or something happened where
maybe Savannah thought that the kids would be in harm's way.
Hold it. You know what's unusual, Karen start with me
joining me from Manhattan psychologist Karen. Sometimes, when upsetting things happen,
(23:39):
I will drop everything I'm doing and go check on
the children at school. It may not even be related
to the children, but I go just sometimes if I
discover there's been a fire in their area where their
school is, or I hear silence, or there's a tornado watch,
or just just something happens. I go check on them.
(24:00):
I don't pull them out of class. I just go
by the school to make sure everything's okay. So is
that like a gut reaction it gets? It's totally instinctive, Nanta.
I mean you're a mom. It's maternal. I think about
moms with their kids, and you could be in the
woods and all of a sudden you'll start thinking to gee,
what if there's a tick. And even though it's why
(24:24):
they're fine, they're running around you, let me check them
for a second. Because you're constantly thinking about are my
children okay? It's laboring, it's a part of us. I
think it may also have something to do with our
line of business. Chief Buyers, you have children, right, Yes,
I do too. I sometimes think that in our line
of business, when we realize not only does crime happen
(24:46):
all around us, but it can and will happen to you.
Once you get that in your head, you're always worried
about your children. Yeah. Absolutely, this line of work, you're
always worst case scenarioing when they're coming home late than this.
Perfew my kids the jurisdiction that I was the chief him.
(25:06):
Both of their schools were in that jurisdiction, and every
day I would go out for lunch and I would
just ride by their schools. Like you said, look at
the It's not just me. Did you hear that, Jackie?
I can see him laughing into your fist. The other day,
for some reason, my husband and I happened to be
at the house at lunchtime. I'm like, let's go drive
(25:27):
by the school. See what's happening, because of course they
eat outside because of COVID And he was why. He's like, why,
I'm like to see if we can spot him for
Pete's sake. He said, They're just gonna be sitting there eating.
I'm like, I know, it's a perfect chance to see them, absolutely,
because are you gonna talk to him? Like, no, I'm
not gonna talk to him, just gonna look at him.
(25:48):
He didn't get it. I don't understand that. What's wrong
with him? Chief? I know. I've been a couple of
times where've texted my wife to ask what color shirt
my daughter had on. Because I would sit down and
look at the playground and see if I could spot
or thank you, thank you, And can I tell you
just one other little secret since he was not did
not authorize me to tell this. My executive producer on
(26:12):
Oxygen found out his son was being bullied at school.
You know what I'm talking about. He went and stood
in the woods. Now this is a very well known
Hollywood producer. He went and stood in the woods, like
thirty forty feet beyond the playground to see if he
could figure out which kid was bullying his son. My
(26:36):
point is, I find it really interesting that she has
an argument with her husband and the first thing she
does is grab her mom and they go check on
the children. And I wonder what led her to do that.
(27:06):
Time stories with Nancy Grace we're finding out right now.
We are talking about the death of a beautiful young woman,
Savannah Pascal, just thirty years old. And you hear this
husband posting to YouTube how he and you all along
she was younger than him and this is all her fault.
(27:27):
Let me ask you, Ray Kaputa, did he post these
YouTube videos before or after he shoots her in the shower?
Well we don't know that yet, but my suspicion, Nancy,
is this video was posted right before all this happened,
because at the very end of it, you say, him
kind of becomes startled that maybe somebody has come home
and appears to be at a house. So my assumption
(27:50):
is that he films this video and it's cut short
when Savannah and her mom Shirley, get back to the house,
and just before he takes Aima, both of them ask
you will kite. You know where I'm going with that
he posted these before he shot his wife. You know
what that means? Premeditation? Absolutely? Can you imagine he posted it.
(28:13):
Let's all think about that. He posted it before he
shot his wife. So not only was it premeditated, it
was so absolute in his mind that he was going
to do it that he could actually talk on a
video to tell everybody he was going to do it.
Out of the beloe. You know, this whole thing spreads
like wildfire. Take a listen to our friends. Akhou eleven.
(28:38):
Trent couldn't be located for several hours, but Lamarck Police
Department in Harris County Sheriff Deputies were able to track
down his vehicle. They found him parked here at this
Walmart and I forty five North and West Road. That
suspect was spotted along with another gentleman in a different
car that was driven back towards a vehicle that we
were initially searching for Deputies. They ordered the vehicle to
(29:01):
stop and ask the suspect and its friend to step
out of the vehicle. He produced a handgun from underneath
his shirt and had it in his hand was a revolver.
Deputies and a specifically a patrol sergeant ordered him to
drop the weapon. He did not comply with his orders,
and he was shot. Trent was transported to Memorial Herman,
where investigators say he's in critical condition. Now listen to
(29:24):
what she is saying to you, Chief Buyers. Have you
ever been in a situation where you order someone to
drop their weapon and they don't do it. Yeah? Absolutely,
And you know it's at the end of the same
type of situation where it was a female traffic stop,
at the end of a pursuit, and luckily and the
instances I was in, ultimately they did drop it. But yeah,
(29:46):
you're not going to give him a lot of time.
You tell him to drop it, them not dropping it
is enough to go ahead and fire. I think that's
an overt act when they refused to drop their weapon
because they can pull it and shoot you and one second, yeah,
you can bet you're the one that ends up dead
if you pause. So the cops in this situation are
in a very, very tough position. They think this guy's
(30:09):
already shot his wife dead in the shower. They think
he's shot at his mother in law. Now he's on
the lamb and he's got a gun and he won't
drop the weapon. Take a listen to our friends at
KPRC to Houston. Played Wednesday, neighbors began sharing this YouTube
video of Trent claiming infidelity in the marriage was the
(30:31):
source of his torment. For the end of the video,
Trent appears to try to hide as someone approaches the home.
Riddick believes the video was made just before the shooting.
In box at the part when Trent tells two children
he loves them and he's sorry. Can't believe he would
leave something like that, telling his kids how he loved them.
How can you love your kids if you're gonna kill
(30:52):
their mama. Neighbors and friends have been steadily arriving at
the home to place flowers and gifts for the couple's children.
Trent Pascal was eventually caught by a Harris County Sherriff's
deputy and shot when he refused to put down a gun.
He is expected to survive his injuries. No, I'm very
curious at the way in his audio he kept saying,
why is this happening to me? Why me? What is that?
(31:15):
Karen start is so NARCISSI Well again, I'm just a JD.
You're the shrink. But I do know about narcissism. Everything
is about him, That's right, Nancy. It's totally narcissistic and
self pitying. It's all about I don't look good I
had this done to me. I would never have done anything,
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but look what happened, never taking a responsibility, and of
course going to such a dangerous, horrific extent because he
feels he's been wrong. So yes, narcissistant completely, you know too,
Doctor Chris Sperry. The injuries his wife sustained Savannah Pascal,
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how long do you think it took for her to
actually pass away? Well, she had two gunshot wounds of
the abdomen, and she at least survived long enough to
get to the hospital, So it probably injured organs like
liver kidneys, things that would bleed steadily, but not so
(32:21):
fast that it would be immediately life threatening, like the
A order or very large blood vessels. And she very
easily could have been alive for anywhere from thirty to
sixty minutes and died during surgery or shortly after surgery.
So she was alive and conscious for a long period
of time, so she knew what had happened to her,
(32:44):
and she was facing the possibility she would die, and
she did die. Yes, I think she knew exactly what
had happened and was aware of being shots and this
being life threatening, and she she was. She was aware
of what was going on up until the time that
she finally would have lost consciousness or have been put
(33:07):
under anesthesia for surgery. You know, Karen Stark, I remember
that beautiful baby shower you threw from me in New York.
Remember that? And then after the twins were born so premature,
and we found out my lungs were full of blood clots,
(33:30):
everything well almost everything went wrong, but a lot went
wrong in the emergency birth, Karen, do you remember after that,
I would have those dreams that I would be separated
from the children. That was the worst thing that I
could imagine was passing on because all those ailments connected
(33:53):
to childbirth and them and being apart from them and
not being there to raise them. Can you imagine this mother,
She was so worried after their argument, she raced to
the school to check on the children, and then there
seems to be about an hour where she contemplates bleeding
out and die, and then she does die. She was
(34:15):
faced was the worst possibility here in Stark. And I
remember everything, every part of what happens to met. I
just think of it, and I get so upset being
in touch with David trying to find out if you
were okay. And of course I remember those dreams because
that's the worst thing that could happen to any parents,
(34:35):
is to lose their child. It's a constant fair and
you hear about it. You hear about people saying, I
can't die now. I have to be there for my child.
I have to make sure that I raised them. So
I can just imagine I think we all could, how
horrific this was. Form Guys, take a listen to this.
(34:58):
There's going to Sheriff's office that says them. He suspect
is in critical condition at the hospital but is stable.
We are told he threatened deputies with a gun when
they tried to arrest him. That's when he was the shot.
Officers had been looking for Trent Pascal all day long,
(35:20):
and no officers were hurt in that encounter. It happened
around seven forty five this evening in the Walmut parking
lot on the North Freeway and West Road. Harris County
Sheriff's deputies had been helping Lamark police look for forty
eight year old Trent Pascal ever since. Lamark Police identified
him as the suspect and the murder of his estranged
wife this afternoon. That happened just before one o'clock on
(35:44):
Hawk's View Lane. Police there and Lamarck accused him of
shooting and killing his estranged wife, Savannah Pascal. He had
been on the run ever since. So he lives, she dies,
and you know, Chris Buyers, it's amazing to me that
he lived. You know, when we see it in a movie,
(36:05):
sometimes you go just shoot him in the knee, shot him.
It's not that easy to shoot somebody and not kill them,
but the cops managed to do it. Yeah, we're we're
trying to shoot centermath. That's where you're shooting at. So
if you're hitting somebody in the leg or the knee,
those are just bad shots. That's not where we're trying
to shoot. Law enforcement's train to shoot for the biggest
part of the body because we're having to think about
(36:27):
the backdrop. We're having to think of where that bullet's
going to go when it misses. So when you start
to talk about shooting somebody, yeah, in an arm, it's
just it's it's ridiculous, you know, having had to train
every six months at the DA's office at the firing range,
it's not as easy as it looks. By the way,
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was there a red flag? Just before her death, Savannah
had posted on Facebook about donations for domestic violence victims
and she as murdered by her husband. To you, right,
Kiputo w Dbo, where's the case stand right now? Well,
right now, Trent is in critical condition in the hospital.
And when he gets out, and I honestly, Nancy, I
(37:10):
hope he pulls through because I got a feeling he
wanted to die suicide by tops, So I hope he
pulls through because you're going to face a murder charge
and in Texas they have the death penalty. We wait
as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crimes story Sunny Off, Goodbye Friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A bizarre video leads to
a surprising turn of events. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
(00:37):
I'm recording this because I want my daughter to know.
But I love you, Kensee Pascal. I'm so sorry that
I've done this. I want you to know that you
mean everything to me and William I love you too.
(00:57):
I love you so much. I love you like your mom.
I didn't choose this. Your mom chose this. She's been
cheating on me for a long time. I have audio
of her talking to other guys. I didn't do nothing
wrong to her. When we first got together. I told her,
(01:19):
you're too young for me. There's an eighteen year old
difference in her age, and I knew she was kind
of too young, but I didn't. She's been playing me
for a fall. I told her not to mess with me,
not to mess with my emotions, don't play with me.
Oh well, right off the bat, I'm concerned because he's
(01:40):
saying it's all her fault. So where is she and
what is the meaning of this video? Why do grown
adults feel they have to share all their sex problems,
their adultery, their issues with their children. Is that necessary? Guys,
(02:02):
take a listen to more of this guy unloading. I
got an audio where she was calling a guy yesterday
on her way to get her eyelashes done, and she
said hey, baby, and he goes hey, and I was like,
that's not my voice. Why is she calling somebody else baby?
Then she started talking about a dream and everything, and
(02:23):
she had with them too, about sex and everything. I'll
put everything into this relationship. I have done nothing to
your mom. I've never hit her, I've never heard her,
I've never called her names. A couple of times when
I got really mad, I would I would say a
bad word or something. But I've done everything I can.
(02:45):
I haven't done anything wrong. I'm like, why me, My
hair's a mask and I look horrible. Oh sorry, take
these off. I love you, Mackenzie. I love you so much.
Please do something good with your life. Okay? Number one
(03:08):
mean thanks? Thou dost protest too much. I can't claim
that that was Shakespeare. If you haven't done anything wrong,
then why are you saying I haven't done anything wrong?
Right there? I think you've done something wrong. Let me
introduce an all star panel to break it down and
put it back together again. I bet they've got a mouthful.
Ashley Wilcott judge, trial lawyer, anchor Court TV at Ashley
(03:29):
Wilcot dot com. Karen start renowned New York psychologist joining
us from Manhattan. You can find her at Karen Stark
dot com. That's Karen with a c. Former police chief
John's Creek twenty five years on the fours now PI
and polygrapher at Chris Buyer's Investigations and polygraph dot com.
(03:51):
Former chief medical examiner for the entire state of Georgia.
I put him on the stand many many times, and
only now do I cross examine him for a medical examiner,
doctor Chris Sperry, but first to lead a news anchor
for Orlando Morning News w DBO Ray Kiputo, let me
ask you a few very narrow questions, Ray, who is
(04:16):
this person speaking. His name is Trent Pascal Nancy's He's
a forty eight year old. He lives in Lamark, Texas,
which is a suburb of Houston, you know, really close
to Galaviston in the Gulf Coast. He's a father, he
was married, he had a couple of young kids, and
I believe he's a YouTube creator. Yeah, what do you mean?
(04:36):
YouTube creator. Are you saying he created YouTube like Al
Gore created the Internet? No, Nancy, it's kind of a
term to people that create YouTube contact. You mean a
YouTube er. It's that the same thing, because my son's
always running in and going mom, mom, So and so
makes forty eight million dollars a year as a YouTube er.
(04:57):
Am I okay, Well they did not teach me that
at law skills though, Sadie, you're gonna have to live
off with your father and I make so okay, he's
a YouTuber. So that was my next question. You read
my mind, Ray Kaputo w DBO. So he's posting these videos,
they're not just audios on YouTube? Is that where we're
(05:17):
finding them on YouTube? Yes, ma'am right, on YouTube where
anybody can access them, not only kids, but anybody around
the world can see this. Oh okay, So you're hearing
this guy, Trent Pascal father husband ranting. It's not really ranting,
would you say ranting? He's more like and I keep
(05:38):
notice he's saying why me, why me? And another thing
to you, Karen start he says, I never hit her?
Is that the litmus test? So if you don't beat
your wife, then you're a great husband. There's something this
guy is definitely a psychopath. To listen to him. I mean,
(05:59):
in the middle of the start you think everybody's either
a sex pervert, which is probably true, or I'm very
suspicious of Jackie and Brett here in the studio, but
wait a minute, or you think they're a psychopath. You
need to tell me what your definition of psychopath is,
Karen start, because very often you and I have very
different ideas about what you're talking about. What's a psychopath
(06:20):
in the mind of Karen Stark, And granted you're the shrink,
not me, go ahead. So he's somebody who doesn't really
care about other people. He's not authentic, you could tell,
I mean, in order to be able to kill somebody, Nancy,
or harm somebody or even I mean there's something wrong
than you're even talking about hitting a woman, right. But
(06:42):
in the middle of him talking about I'm really sorry,
I really am so sorry I did this, he starts
talking about how he looks. Oh, I'm all messed up.
I don't look. Then he's crying, but then he sounds well,
I can hear you. You said he talks about how
he looks. Is that what you said yes, but it's
here is not okay? That he doesn't look all right
on the mess. And there's just he doesn't have a
(07:06):
regard for human life. Now, I don't know how you
are interpreting he has no regard for human life because
he says I look like a mess. Because I say
that pretty much every time I remember to look in
a mirror. I'm like, ah, so I think I have
regard for human life. But I hear you the litmus test.
(07:27):
Litmus test is I didn't ever hit her, so that
a good marriage doesn't make And I got another question
for you, Chief Buyers with me Chris Buyer's former police
chief John's Creek Now Chris Buyer's investigation said polygraph dot com.
That's a mouthful, Chris. So we're gonna have to kind
of work on your website because I just can't say
(07:48):
that every single time, you know, I talking sal bikes. Chris,
question you, what does he mean? I got an audio
I got hey, can we hear hey one more time? Listen?
Listen to how he starts his whole thing off, Chief Buyers.
I got an audio where she was calling a guy
yesterday on her way to get her eyelashes done, and
(08:12):
she said hey baby, and he goes hey, and I
was like, that's not my voice. Why is she calling
somebody else baby? And she started talking about a dream
and everything, and she had with them too, about sex
and everything. I'll put everything into this relationship. I have
done nothing to your mom. I've never hit her, I've
never heard her, I've never called her names. A couple
(08:35):
of times when I got really mad, I would, I
would say a bad word or something. But I've done
everything I can. I haven't done anything wrong. I'm like,
why me? My hears a mask and I look horrible.
Oh sorry, take these off. I love you, Mackenzie. I
(08:58):
love you so much. Please do something good with your life.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about
(09:21):
some very bizarre YouTube postings by this guy last named Pascal,
and he's talking about boo hoo. Did you hear him
fake crying? He's going his voice kind of cracks, and
then suddenly he gets over that and he says, gee,
I really look bad. But before that he's talking about
how he hasn't hit his wife, he hasn't called her names.
(09:44):
Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, anchor Court TV at Ashley
Wilcot dot com with two ts, Ashley, I really respect
your CV and all your qualifications, but you're also a
wife and mother of three, so I think you're going
to understand what I'm about to say. So far, my
(10:08):
husband has not called me a name that I know
of anyway, not the B word, C word that I'm
sure there are a lot more words that I'm not
even thinking of yet to my face or behind my
back that I know of. So is that the litmus test?
You don't call your wife a B T H right too?
You're facing you don't hit her? Somehow, I feel like
(10:28):
he's trying to explain something away. He is trying to
explain something away. And he also says, I didn't choose this,
your mom did. Are you kidding me? Even if you
feel that way, there are lots of other options. Let
me think about, Nancy. What's a good option if you're
going to do that, I don't know. Counseling for one thing,
counseling whatever. And whatever he's saying is that it's all
(10:55):
her fault. Yet he's the one taking to YouTube, Um,
take one more. Listen to this guy Pascal telling all
on YouTube. Please do something really good because you deserve
a good life. And I don't know what else to say.
(11:19):
I'm I'm so sorry. I don't have better words right now.
I've already a true bad I don't know what else
to do anymore. I didn't do nothing wrong to her.
(11:40):
I provided what I could. I've done what I could
for her. I've done nothing but good for her, and
I've treated y'all good. I've done good things for y'all.
And I just I don't know what else to say.
I love you, McKenzie. I love you so much. Do
(12:03):
something good with your life. Make me proud. Okay. He's
going on and on and on, and that's a sign
that you should know to yourself when you say, I
don't know what else to say, but you keep talking
as probably should be a red flag to you or
to me. Just stop stop talking if possible, you know,
Chief Buyers, I got off on a tangent about the
(12:24):
B word and the C word and every other word.
But did you know how did you notice how he
started that last segment of his audio YouTube confessional. I
got an audio sounds like he's listening to his wife's
voice messages or has somehow bugged the home because it's
his wife, he says, talking to a guy as she
(12:48):
was on her way to get her eyelashes done whatever
that means. And she's saying hey baby, and talking about
a sex dream she had. Now this is according to him,
So what does that mean? I got an audio? Yeah,
it sounds to me like my interpretation is that he
has planted some type of recording device in her car
(13:10):
in the home and is listening to her. Or again,
like you said, it could be listening to her voicemails.
But it definitely when I first heard that, it jumps
out that he has got some type of bug by
recording her conversations. You know what, chief fires. I remember
the first time I ever actually saw one of those
installed in a home. I mean I knew about them.
(13:31):
I'd investigated them, cops had shown them to me once
they were taken into evidence. But I went to an
arson scene of a mansion of a really wealthy guy
in Atlanta that killed his wife, killed her, then he
burned the house down to cover it up. And behind
I believe it's the fridge was a big hank and
recorder device, or he had been listening to her and
(13:53):
all of her calls that she had been making for
a long period of time. According devices, I kind of
feel Karen Stark is step one and a marriage spiral
or a relationship spiraling down. Because if you feel that
you've got to record somebody or listen to their voicemails,
(14:13):
you got a problem. You certainly do, Nancy, because how
does that. It doesn't represent trust, It doesn't represent anything
that we would think of as normal. Obviously somebody is
suspicious and instead of being able to have a conversation
discuss it, go for help, see a therapist in recording
(14:34):
the other person, Karen Stark, are you telling me you've
never listened to your husband's voicemail ever? Not even once? No,
not unless you tell me wants me to hear something,
Because I totally am just curious by nature. And I
listened to David. My ears started blaming boring things I
have ever heard. I've never made that mistake again, the
(14:58):
same thing I haven't want to try to read. I
thought I was going to pass out. It was the
most boring set of emails I have ever read. I
went through like eighty They were awful. I've never done
it again. My fingers are hurt from touching the copp
hear So you know the reality is Ashley Wilcot, judge,
trial lawyer, court TV anchor. A lot of times people
(15:20):
just get curious and they listen. But planning a recording
device I think is one step further than that. Oh
I would suggest it is too. And you know why
someone might plant so, first of all, absolutely human curiosity.
You might look at a text when it comes in
because it happens to be in front of you, something
like that. That's human nature. But why do you plant
(15:41):
a recording device? Why because you do not trust that
person and necessarily there's likely going to be a consequence
to that. Now, most people, that consequence is going to
be a confrontation, maybe an argument, maybe counseling, maybe ultimately divorced.
That's where that would lead. Well, he left speed, nobody
everybody had to get his YouTube's take a listen to
(16:03):
this and Mom, I love you. You've been the angel
through my whole life, taking care of me. You're there
when I need you, You've always answered the phone for me.
You've done everything. Sorry, I keep looking at the cameras.
I don't know how much time I have, but I've
never done anything like so. I don't know. I'm so
(16:28):
I was going back. My mind is everywhere. I can't
concentrate right now. I didn't anyways, Mom, I love you
so much, or my angel, I love you. You mean
everything to me and Dad. You've done a lot for
me too, and you've taken care of me. You raised
me good, You've done whatever you could. Thank you. I appreciate.
(16:52):
I love you so much. You've loved me like your
own Okay, fam Ling, fm Ling Famling. Ray Kaputo, lead
news anchor Orlando's morning News w DBO. Have you looked
at these YouTube videos because I have. He's not crying,
(17:12):
he's going but I don't see any tears coming from
his eyes. Does that I'll have to go to the
shrink and I'll have to go to the shrink and
the Emmy on this Is that possible, Nancy? I'll tell
you what I noticed, the same thing. I mean, he
looks like he's pretending to cry. I don't see one,
you know, tears shut from his eyes. And then also
how quickly he snaps back to almost like this this cool,
(17:35):
common collected position where he's pretending to be upset, but
you know it looks like a farce to me. Time
Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a guy
(17:59):
who takes to the airwaves and leaves all these quasi
tearful messages about how he didn't hit his wife, how
she cheated on him, how he got an audio of
her talking to a boyfriend and then telling his mom
what all she did for him in life, and how
grateful he is. And he sounds like he's trying to cry,
(18:20):
but we've all noticed he's actually not crying. Doctor Chris Sperry,
the former chief medical Examiner for the entire state of Georgia,
very well known. Chris. I've had you on the stand
many many times, and I don't know if this ever
happened while you were there, but I would just love
it when, obviously, if you're on the stand, that means
(18:42):
there's been a murder at least one dead body of
not more. When the defendant would start crying and I
would just stop everything and go, why are you shaking,
doctor Sperry? Is he's shaking and pretending to be crying
over there because I don't see any tears. I mean,
this guy goes on and on and on going sniveling,
(19:02):
but there are no tears. Is that physically possible that
you can cry with no tears? Is that even crying? No,
it's not. It's fake. Fake, It's all fake. So which
leads me to the next question, why fake it? I
think we're about to find out. Take a listen to
(19:23):
Robert Arnold KPRC two. Trent ambushed them and started shooting.
He was told to leave their house by police, but
never did. He hit and waited behind a shower curtain.
Savannah's mom tustled with him and tried to fight him off,
but it was too late. She called me and said
that there had been gunfire and my wife was there
(19:45):
when it happened, and we believe he took a shot
at her and thank god he missed, but he shot
our daughter and left the scene. She heard the gunshots
as she was going for help. She heard our daughter's
last scream and that it's hard to take. You are hearing,
(20:06):
Katie r k ABC thirteen. You are hearing that either
before or after these videos emerge on YouTube. Pascal allegedly
ambushes his wife's Savannah, the one he's been talking about
how this is all her fault and her mom police
tell him to leave the residence, but he doesn't. He
(20:28):
hides behind a shower curtain. Savannah, his wife's mother, tried
to fight Pascal off, didn't work. He took a shot,
apparently at the mother in law. The mother hears her
daughter's last scream take a listen now to KPRC to
Houston and A rest warrant filed in this case reads,
(20:50):
Trent Pascal hid in the master bathroom shower and ambushed
his wife and her mother. He is now formally facing
murder charges. We've been praying every day, and I mean
we're praying people and we're praying for their family. And
Donald Riddick lives just across the street from Trent in
Savannah Pascal his children played with their children. Man, it's
(21:10):
it's just a big surprise that to me. Riddick says.
He and his wife never saw the couple arguing, that
is until the morning of October twenty first. After the argument,
Trent left and Savannah had went to the neighbor's house
to ask for help, court documents read. Later in the morning,
Savannah and her mother returned home. Trent was hiding in
(21:31):
the bathroom and ambushed the pair investigator's right. Savannah was
shot twice in the stomach. Her mother was able to escape,
joining me. Ray kiputerlad news anchor Orlando's Morning News WDBO.
Suddenly what was almost laughable as taking a sinister, deadly
and tragic turn. The wife he has been blaming in
(21:53):
all of his YouTube videos is dead. According to police,
this guy hid from his owne to ambush her in
the shower. Who does that? To ry cofete? Right, tell
me the sequence of events as we know them, well, Nancy.
First off, this isn't a couple that had a stormy relationship,
(22:14):
at least on the surface. I mean their social media
everything shows that they seem to be in a stable relationship,
and neighbors that they said they didn't even see the
couple fight until all this unfolded on Wednesday, where they
have this falling out and then Savannah she runs to
the neighbor's house for help, and I think at that
point Trent ends up leaving. They had had a falling out.
(22:34):
Savannah and Trent have this falling out before all of
this happens, and I believe this is right after, right
before the video is made. But they have a fight
and she ends up running to the neighbor's house. Okay,
and she's obviously afraid of Trent enough at this point
to bring other people in. And she runs to the
neighbor's house, and then at some point her mom catches
(22:55):
up with her and they leave to go check on
the kids at school. Okay, So they actually leave the
house and no one's at the house, and at that
point it's believed that Trent comes back and actually hides
in the bedroom. Okay, Wow, why did they go check
on the children at school? Well, we don't know that yet,
but I'm assuming in that fight that it was a
pretty you know, giving what we know happened after, I
(23:16):
believe that it was a pretty you know, a pretty
threatening fight where I would assume that there was some
threats to me towards the kid, or something happened where
maybe Savannah thought that the kids would be in harm's way.
Hold it. You know what's unusual, Karen start with me
joining me from Manhattan psychologist Karen. Sometimes, when upsetting things happen,
(23:39):
I will drop everything I'm doing and go check on
the children at school. It may not even be related
to the children, but I go just sometimes if I
discover there's been a fire in their area where their
school is, or I hear silence, or there's a tornado watch,
or just just something happens. I go check on them.
(24:00):
I don't pull them out of class. I just go
by the school to make sure everything's okay. So is
that like a gut reaction it gets? It's totally instinctive, Nanta.
I mean you're a mom. It's maternal. I think about
moms with their kids, and you could be in the
woods and all of a sudden you'll start thinking to gee,
what if there's a tick. And even though it's why
(24:24):
they're fine, they're running around you, let me check them
for a second. Because you're constantly thinking about are my
children okay? It's laboring, it's a part of us. I
think it may also have something to do with our
line of business. Chief Buyers, you have children, right, Yes,
I do too. I sometimes think that in our line
of business, when we realize not only does crime happen
(24:46):
all around us, but it can and will happen to you.
Once you get that in your head, you're always worried
about your children. Yeah. Absolutely, this line of work, you're
always worst case scenarioing when they're coming home late than this.
Perfew my kids the jurisdiction that I was the chief him.
(25:06):
Both of their schools were in that jurisdiction, and every
day I would go out for lunch and I would
just ride by their schools. Like you said, look at
the It's not just me. Did you hear that, Jackie?
I can see him laughing into your fist. The other day,
for some reason, my husband and I happened to be
at the house at lunchtime. I'm like, let's go drive
(25:27):
by the school. See what's happening, because of course they
eat outside because of COVID And he was why. He's like, why,
I'm like to see if we can spot him for
Pete's sake. He said, They're just gonna be sitting there eating.
I'm like, I know, it's a perfect chance to see them, absolutely,
because are you gonna talk to him? Like, no, I'm
not gonna talk to him, just gonna look at him.
(25:48):
He didn't get it. I don't understand that. What's wrong
with him? Chief? I know. I've been a couple of
times where've texted my wife to ask what color shirt
my daughter had on. Because I would sit down and
look at the playground and see if I could spot
or thank you, thank you, And can I tell you
just one other little secret since he was not did
not authorize me to tell this. My executive producer on
(26:12):
Oxygen found out his son was being bullied at school.
You know what I'm talking about. He went and stood
in the woods. Now this is a very well known
Hollywood producer. He went and stood in the woods, like
thirty forty feet beyond the playground to see if he
could figure out which kid was bullying his son. My
(26:36):
point is, I find it really interesting that she has
an argument with her husband and the first thing she
does is grab her mom and they go check on
the children. And I wonder what led her to do that.
(27:06):
Time stories with Nancy Grace we're finding out right now.
We are talking about the death of a beautiful young woman,
Savannah Pascal, just thirty years old. And you hear this
husband posting to YouTube how he and you all along
she was younger than him and this is all her fault.
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Let me ask you, Ray Kaputa, did he post these
YouTube videos before or after he shoots her in the shower?
Well we don't know that yet, but my suspicion, Nancy,
is this video was posted right before all this happened,
because at the very end of it, you say, him
kind of becomes startled that maybe somebody has come home
and appears to be at a house. So my assumption
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is that he films this video and it's cut short
when Savannah and her mom Shirley, get back to the house,
and just before he takes Aima, both of them ask
you will kite. You know where I'm going with that
he posted these before he shot his wife. You know
what that means? Premeditation? Absolutely? Can you imagine he posted it.
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Let's all think about that. He posted it before he
shot his wife. So not only was it premeditated, it
was so absolute in his mind that he was going
to do it that he could actually talk on a
video to tell everybody he was going to do it.
Out of the beloe. You know, this whole thing spreads
like wildfire. Take a listen to our friends. Akhou eleven.
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Trent couldn't be located for several hours, but Lamarck Police
Department in Harris County Sheriff Deputies were able to track
down his vehicle. They found him parked here at this
Walmart and I forty five North and West Road. That
suspect was spotted along with another gentleman in a different
car that was driven back towards a vehicle that we
were initially searching for Deputies. They ordered the vehicle to
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stop and ask the suspect and its friend to step
out of the vehicle. He produced a handgun from underneath
his shirt and had it in his hand was a revolver.
Deputies and a specifically a patrol sergeant ordered him to
drop the weapon. He did not comply with his orders,
and he was shot. Trent was transported to Memorial Herman,
where investigators say he's in critical condition. Now listen to
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what she is saying to you, Chief Buyers. Have you
ever been in a situation where you order someone to
drop their weapon and they don't do it. Yeah? Absolutely,
And you know it's at the end of the same
type of situation where it was a female traffic stop,
at the end of a pursuit, and luckily and the
instances I was in, ultimately they did drop it. But yeah,
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you're not going to give him a lot of time.
You tell him to drop it, them not dropping it
is enough to go ahead and fire. I think that's
an overt act when they refused to drop their weapon
because they can pull it and shoot you and one second, yeah,
you can bet you're the one that ends up dead
if you pause. So the cops in this situation are
in a very, very tough position. They think this guy's
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already shot his wife dead in the shower. They think
he's shot at his mother in law. Now he's on
the lamb and he's got a gun and he won't
drop the weapon. Take a listen to our friends at
KPRC to Houston. Played Wednesday, neighbors began sharing this YouTube
video of Trent claiming infidelity in the marriage was the
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source of his torment. For the end of the video,
Trent appears to try to hide as someone approaches the home.
Riddick believes the video was made just before the shooting.
In box at the part when Trent tells two children
he loves them and he's sorry. Can't believe he would
leave something like that, telling his kids how he loved them.
How can you love your kids if you're gonna kill
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their mama. Neighbors and friends have been steadily arriving at
the home to place flowers and gifts for the couple's children.
Trent Pascal was eventually caught by a Harris County Sherriff's
deputy and shot when he refused to put down a gun.
He is expected to survive his injuries. No, I'm very
curious at the way in his audio he kept saying,
why is this happening to me? Why me? What is that?
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Karen start is so NARCISSI Well again, I'm just a JD.
You're the shrink. But I do know about narcissism. Everything
is about him, That's right, Nancy. It's totally narcissistic and
self pitying. It's all about I don't look good I
had this done to me. I would never have done anything,
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but look what happened, never taking a responsibility, and of
course going to such a dangerous, horrific extent because he
feels he's been wrong. So yes, narcissistant completely, you know too,
Doctor Chris Sperry. The injuries his wife sustained Savannah Pascal,
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how long do you think it took for her to
actually pass away? Well, she had two gunshot wounds of
the abdomen, and she at least survived long enough to
get to the hospital, So it probably injured organs like
liver kidneys, things that would bleed steadily, but not so
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fast that it would be immediately life threatening, like the
A order or very large blood vessels. And she very
easily could have been alive for anywhere from thirty to
sixty minutes and died during surgery or shortly after surgery.
So she was alive and conscious for a long period
of time, so she knew what had happened to her,
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and she was facing the possibility she would die, and
she did die. Yes, I think she knew exactly what
had happened and was aware of being shots and this
being life threatening, and she she was. She was aware
of what was going on up until the time that
she finally would have lost consciousness or have been put
(33:07):
under anesthesia for surgery. You know, Karen Stark, I remember
that beautiful baby shower you threw from me in New York.
Remember that? And then after the twins were born so premature,
and we found out my lungs were full of blood clots,
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everything well almost everything went wrong, but a lot went
wrong in the emergency birth, Karen, do you remember after that,
I would have those dreams that I would be separated
from the children. That was the worst thing that I
could imagine was passing on because all those ailments connected
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to childbirth and them and being apart from them and
not being there to raise them. Can you imagine this mother,
She was so worried after their argument, she raced to
the school to check on the children, and then there
seems to be about an hour where she contemplates bleeding
out and die, and then she does die. She was
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faced was the worst possibility here in Stark. And I
remember everything, every part of what happens to met. I
just think of it, and I get so upset being
in touch with David trying to find out if you
were okay. And of course I remember those dreams because
that's the worst thing that could happen to any parents,
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is to lose their child. It's a constant fair and
you hear about it. You hear about people saying, I
can't die now. I have to be there for my child.
I have to make sure that I raised them. So
I can just imagine I think we all could, how
horrific this was. Form Guys, take a listen to this.
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There's going to Sheriff's office that says them. He suspect
is in critical condition at the hospital but is stable.
We are told he threatened deputies with a gun when
they tried to arrest him. That's when he was the shot.
Officers had been looking for Trent Pascal all day long,
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and no officers were hurt in that encounter. It happened
around seven forty five this evening in the Walmut parking
lot on the North Freeway and West Road. Harris County
Sheriff's deputies had been helping Lamark police look for forty
eight year old Trent Pascal ever since. Lamark Police identified
him as the suspect and the murder of his estranged
wife this afternoon. That happened just before one o'clock on
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Hawk's View Lane. Police there and Lamarck accused him of
shooting and killing his estranged wife, Savannah Pascal. He had
been on the run ever since. So he lives, she dies,
and you know, Chris Buyers, it's amazing to me that
he lived. You know, when we see it in a movie,
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sometimes you go just shoot him in the knee, shot him.
It's not that easy to shoot somebody and not kill them,
but the cops managed to do it. Yeah, we're we're
trying to shoot centermath. That's where you're shooting at. So
if you're hitting somebody in the leg or the knee,
those are just bad shots. That's not where we're trying
to shoot. Law enforcement's train to shoot for the biggest
part of the body because we're having to think about
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the backdrop. We're having to think of where that bullet's
going to go when it misses. So when you start
to talk about shooting somebody, yeah, in an arm, it's
just it's it's ridiculous, you know, having had to train
every six months at the DA's office at the firing range,
it's not as easy as it looks. By the way,
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was there a red flag? Just before her death, Savannah
had posted on Facebook about donations for domestic violence victims
and she as murdered by her husband. To you, right,
Kiputo w Dbo, where's the case stand right now? Well,
right now, Trent is in critical condition in the hospital.
And when he gets out, and I honestly, Nancy, I
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hope he pulls through because I got a feeling he
wanted to die suicide by tops, So I hope he
pulls through because you're going to face a murder charge
and in Texas they have the death penalty. We wait
as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crimes story Sunny Off, Goodbye Friend,
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