November 5, 2024 • 41 mins
Pastor John-Paul Miller was not home when the FBI Evidence Response Team raided his South Carolina residence.
The FBI declined to specify what they were searching for, and spokesman Kevin Wheeler told USA Today the agency was conducting “court-authorized law enforcement activity.” Wheeler added that, due to the ongoing investigation, no further comment would be provided.
Russel Long, attorney for Pastor Miller, criticized the FBI’s actions, calling them a “fishing expedition.” He stated, “There was no affidavit attached to the search warrant, so I have no idea what it’s in relation to.” Throughout the day, members of the FBI’s Evidence Response Team entered and exited the home, carrying paper bags and other items.
Days before the raid, Pastor Miller filed documents with the South Carolina Secretary of State to incorporate a new religious organization, Living Water Church at Market Common. The filing describes the nonprofit as serving religious, educational, charitable, and literary purposes, listing Miller’s Myrtle Beach residence as the business address. Miller also formally updated the address of his existing church, Solid Rock Ministries, to its current location.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Anna Francis - Sister of Mica Miller
- Caryn L. Stark – Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych/FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice
- Robert Crispin – Private Investigator, Former Federal Task Force Officer for United States Department of Justice, DEA and Miami Field Division, Former Homicide and Crimes Against Children Investigator, “Crispin Special Investigations” CrispinInvestigations.com, Facebook: Crispin Special Investigations, Inc
- Christiana - Claims John-Paul Miller begged for nudes
- Regina Ward – Attorney for Sierra Francis; Regina Ward Law Firm
- Eric J. Davis: Private Investigator, Licensed in NC and SC; Retired FBI Supervisory Special Agent, and Partner at Richardson & Davis Investigative Consulting Group, LLC
- Dr. Kendall Crowns: Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Lauren Conlin – Investigative Journalist, Host of The Outlier Podcast, and also Host of “Corruption: What Happened to Grant Solomon; X- @Conlin_Lauren/ Instagram- @LaurenEmilyConlin/YouTube- @LaurenConlin4
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Michael Miller's past her husband's
home rated by the FBI after Mike's mysterious suicide.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
God hates divorce.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
But why?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
According to everybody I've asked and the scriptures that I've found,
it's because it hurts people.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
But does abuse hurt people?
Speaker 5 (00:34):
How do you think God feels about that?
Speaker 6 (00:37):
I almost ink counting now one one?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
What's the address of your emergency?
Speaker 7 (00:42):
I just want my family to know where to find me.
Speaker 8 (00:45):
I got this late next to her body, and it's
been down with their body about four times this week.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It each time it still didn't hit me. I thought
she was going to wake up.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
You know.
Speaker 8 (00:56):
I even tried to raise her from the dead one
time this week.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
To my knowledge, that only happened twice in history. There
was Lazarus who was raised from the dead if you
choose to believe the Bible, and I do.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
And then of course there was Christ.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Now did I just understand John Paul Miller, the husband
of a beautiful, beautiful on the inside and the out
young woman Micah now dead? Did he just say I
laid next to her body and spent time with her
body four times this week and it didn't He hit me.
(01:38):
I thought she was going to wake up. I even
tried to raise her from the dead. Okay, Laura and
Colin joining me investigative reporter co hosts Primetime Crime on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
You can find her at Popcrime dot Tv. Lauren, Did
I hear that right? I need a reality check?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Did he just say he tried to raise her from
the dead and he laid by her body four times
and he still didn't realize that she was dead.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes, Nancy, You're correct he said that.
Speaker 9 (02:06):
John Paul Miller has said a plethora of odd statements,
and I also want to point out that when he
announced his wife's death, it was almost like a side
note at the end of this sermon, which just did
not sit right with me.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
In the last days, the FBI has rated Micah Miller's
husband's home. Why with me an all star panel to
make sense of what we know right now? But before
I get into the raid, I want to speak to
Anna Francis.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
This is Micah's sister. Anna. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Were you surprised at all when you learned the FBI
I'm not talking about Andy and Barney from Mayberry. I'm
talking about the FBI rating his home. Were you surprised
at all?
Speaker 5 (02:59):
I don't think you'reness really surprised with anything that happens anymore.
It seems like no matter what is going on in
this case, there's things that are happening in right and
left field the whole time. So our families basically just
staying hopeful that justice will come for Micah. But nothing
can surprise us at this point.
Speaker 10 (03:20):
While many speculate as to the reason the FBI rated
swarmed Micah Miller's husband's home, many believe that somehow, some
way it relates back to this.
Speaker 11 (03:35):
Investigators at Lumber River State Park are notified by a
kayaker at four twenty three pm that a body is
in the river and a black bag with idea of
money found on the bank of the river is turned
over to law enforcement as well. Officers recover two spend
casings and one live round on the bank of the river,
and there's no sign of a physical struggle. A regional
pathologist is called to the scene for assistance. Micah Miller
(03:57):
is found submerged in the river beside tree limbs about
one hundred feet from the Casings too.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
An A.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Francis joining us. This is Micah's sister. When did you
learn that Micah had passed away?
Speaker 5 (04:09):
That night?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Very late?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
And I got a call from my brother, actually it
was about it was about midnight, almost and my brother
goes to bed very early, so I knew something was wrong.
So he told me what had happened, and I just
couldn't believe it. I said, there's no way, She's probably
just hiding somewhere. She probably faked it just to get away.
(04:36):
But just disbelief is what happened first through my mind
for probably weeks with me.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Regina Ward, this is Micah's sister's lawyer, attorney.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
For her family.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You can find her at attorney Regina Ward dot com.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Regina, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Why is it do you believe that so many supporters
of Micah still believe that somehow the husband's responsible.
Speaker 12 (05:04):
Well, obviously there are too many questions that are unanswered.
There are things that don't.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Add up to a logical thought.
Speaker 12 (05:11):
Pattern, and so those types of things obviously keep it questionable.
And the other thing, you know, I guess at the
end of the day, as far as eyewitnesses to what
happened to say, really what happened on that day, and
without that information, looking at everything else, mister Miller's bizarre
(05:33):
behavior after the passing of his wife, so many things,
and plus the history of that relationship certainly makes you know,
anyone look at that and say things just it just
doesn't pass the smell test, you know, it just doesn't
add up well.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
For so long, she had lived basically under a rain
of fear. She was undermined at every turn by alleged affairs,
her tires being flatted, her car being taken, one thing
after the next, after the next, after the next.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Long story short, we do know this, Listen.
Speaker 13 (06:16):
Micah contacted police after her estranged husband posted an indecent
photo of her on a Facebook group called Big Boobs
and Nice Curves. Police told Micah since the photo was
posted anonymously, there was nothing they could do. John Paul
Miller apologized to Micah via email, telling her I'm sorry
for putting a picture of you on the internet. He added,
I just wanted to try and hurt you. He also
(06:38):
included it was evil of me to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Of course, it has been ruled a suicide, yet that
is not stopping protesters.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Straight out to Eric J.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Davis, private investigator licensed in this jurisdiction, you can find
him at RDFIG that is Richardson Davis and Forrest Investigative Group,
And for my purposes he's former FBI supervisory Agent.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Eric Davis, thank you for being with us. I find
that very.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Difficult to believe that the pastor writes puts in writing,
I'm sorry for putting the picture of you on the Internet.
I just wanted to try and hurt you. It was
evil of me to do that. Yet that has not
been prosecuted. So how hard is it to prove? I mean,
(07:29):
I'm sure everybody's heard of IP Internet provider address. Any
such transmission can be traced directly back to the computer from.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Whence it came. It's like a fingerprint.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Then we've got in writing the man apologizes he did
it posting her indecent photo on a site called Big
Boobs and Nice Curves. Really, and that wasn't prosecuted, Eric Davis?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Why?
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Well, it maybe Broski the SBI conducted raid and brought
the evidence response team into JP's house, and that could
have been for a myriad or reasons. But certainly that
would have been one of them to check the computers
for any evidence that he had sent it, or his
phones and other things they could be looking at. Could
(08:20):
be a white collar offense having to do with the
church and money movement. It's hard to know until you
get hold of the Affidavid. And when you have a
search warrant, that means a special agent went to a
judge and convinced the judge there's probable cause of a
federal crime, and the judge agreed and permitted the search warrant.
(08:41):
But the Affidavid, I'm sure is sealed right now, so
we can't read it yet.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Oh yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Eric Davis joining us from Richardson, Davis and Forrest Investigative Group.
I like what you just said because you know how
the fads love money trail. But that said, Karen Start,
I need help. I need a shrink. Karen Start renounced
psychologists joining us out of Manhattan TV radio trauma expert.
You can find her at Karenstart dot com. Karen with
(09:07):
the Karen, thanks again for being with us. Posting your
wife's photo, Anna Francis.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Was it a naked photo? Was she closed in anyway?
Speaker 14 (09:17):
From what I could tell it was a naked photo, Nancy,
but it was blurred, and every step of the way
the police did not investigate. When she complained about anything
that had to do with cohesive control ways, that he
was subtly, very subtly taking over her life and he
(09:37):
was tracking her, and they said they couldn't investigate. That
they didn't investigate the photo.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
She was married.
Speaker 14 (09:45):
They kept coming up with reasons for why they could
not help this beautiful woman whose life was taken over
by this pastor.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Karen Starke, I agree with everything you just said, but
my question was not that your response was un responsive.
I asked you about a man that would post well
any woman, much less his wife's naked photo on big
boobs and nice curves. I mean, what a POC technical
(10:16):
legal term.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
You got to help me out. I don't understand the thinking,
Karen Stark.
Speaker 14 (10:20):
It's just what he's all about, and he knows that
if he does that, he's going to humiliate her. It's
one more way that she doesn't feel good about herself.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Guys, we were learning that in the last days, the
FBI has raided the home of Micah Miller's pastor husband,
John Paul Miller this as protests go on outside the
church outside his home. Why did the FBI swarm his
home taking out bag after bag after bag?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
What's happening? Listen?
Speaker 11 (10:52):
Pastor John Paul Miller isn't home and the FBI Evidence
Response team shows up to rate his South Carolina home.
The FBI won't say what they're looking for. An FBI spokesman,
Kevin Wheeler tells you I say today the FBI is
conducting court authorized law enforcement activity, been due to the
ongoing nature of the investigation, will be providing no fur
their comments on the matter. The lawyer for Pastor John
Paul Miller, Russell Long, claims the FBI is on a
(11:13):
fishing expedition. There was no affidavit attached to the search warrant, Therefore,
I have no idea what it's in relation to. All
day long, members of the FBI's Evidence Response team go
in and out of the home carrying paper bags and
other items from the home.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I just want to let you know that I'm alive
and well, and I'm going through a lot, and it's hard.
Speaker 14 (11:40):
Circumstances would change. I pray that the fear inside would
flee and Jesus.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Nay, it's very hard to believe that Michah Miller is dead.
Our body found submerged in a body of water. Joining
me an all star panel. But I want to go
first to Chris joining us, who claims that the pastor
John Paul Miller begged her for nude photos.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Christianna, thank you for being with us. What happened?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
He came into the restaurant where I was working back
in February and left his name on his I mean
left his phone number on his receipt. And I'm a
very curious person, and you can't be too cautious these days,
so out of curiosity, I looked him up to see
who he was. I saw that he was a pastor
(12:33):
and quite possibly married, and I, I guess I didn't
react like most people would, and I was suspicious, and
it made me angry because I've grown up watching similar
situations to this take place. So I thought, is there
(12:58):
something I can do? Can I perhaps report this to
his church or contact his wife or something. I wasn't sure.
I ended up talking to a friend of mine who
had a friend who had attended the church and had
a very bad experience. So I ended up getting some
information from that friend, and when I spoke with him,
(13:23):
I didn't let on that I was aware of anything
about him, and I ended up with screenshots of him
asking for nudes and just being generally sleazy.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Okay, I want to hear the whole thing, Christianna. What
do you mean by generally being sleazy?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Just well, he said that he wanted to see well,
he asked if I had a picture of me with
just a mermaid tale. I do character appearances for birthday
parties and things as a mermaid. And he was saying
(14:03):
that in response to one of my photos, asking if
I had one, basically asking if I had a topic.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I have a question. Okay, yeah, right, right.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So you're a waitress in a restaurant. He comes in,
he gives you his phone number, right, and you start
communicating by text and phone, I guess, and he wants
you to give him a photo of you with nothing
(14:32):
but a mermaid tail on. That's correct, Okay, hold on,
let me just digest that for just one moment.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Okay, did you mentioned this was in February of what year?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
This year, twenty twenty four, and that would have been
just before Mica was found dead in April of twenty four. Okay,
I'm going to circle back to that timeline. So you
said he was asking for nude photos excuse me, plus
some marmaiytail and what did you say?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You said he was also generally sleazy in what way?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And all this time you knew he's a pat not
only married, but a pastor to boot.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So what happened?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
We didn't text a whole lot. It was for about
two weeks, just occasional. I guess. I just kept the
line of communication open enough to get the screenshots, and
I wasn't really sure what I was going to do
with it from there because I had learned from my
friend that his church had a history of.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Covering up his behavior.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
And I was unable to find any way to contact
his wife. At the time. There was a Facebook page
in her name, but I gathered that he was running it,
and I didn't know if she had any access to it,
and I couldn't find anything else, So I just kind of.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Did you ever tell him you knew he was a
married pastor?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
I did not.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
What did you do with the screenshots? Did you ever
show them to anyone?
Speaker 7 (16:04):
So?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Well, initially, now after I found out about Mica I
had talked with another friend and said should I text
him and see how he responds. And my friend was like, yeah,
if you're up for it, go for it, because this
friend was covering some of it. And so I sent
him a text and I just played it off and
(16:26):
said something like, hey, stranger, how have you been anything new?
And this man responded with yes, lots new lol, days
after what happened to her. And so I have a
screenshot of that and all of the previous screenshots, but
I haven't done anything else with them except I sent
(16:49):
the entire conversation to Regina so that she would have
the full account.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, that's really interesting that he is coming to you
a waitressy spot, like a shark at work, gets your
number and immediately starts asking you.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
For naked photos.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
This in comparison to what he just told WPDE listen.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
Never once, in any way, shape or form, not in
any type of abuse, not physical, and no type of
abuse ever. I took better care of her than any
man could have possibly taken care of her.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
That's from our friends at WPDE ABC fifteen. Hold on,
let's analyze that Anna Francis is with me. This is
MICA's sister, he says, not once, in any way, shape
or form, Not in any type of abuse, not physical
and any back tracks, No, no type of abuse ever.
I took better care of her than any man could
(17:47):
have possibly taken care of her in any way. Does
that include hitting on Christina in a restaurant and asking
for nude photos? Then, just days after your sister's death
by gunshot wound, her body found submerged in a body
of water, he writes, Lots.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Happening, l l There's a lot that he will try
to cover up for the rest of his life and
try to deny and tell himself that that's not the
truth when everyone else around him knows that that's not
the truth, he will still continue to push his narrative
for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Hona, I appreciate your thought that he will live in
a mental and emotional hell of his own making.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Okay, when a snake, let's just say, rattlesnake, bites and
kills someone, you think it feels bad about that or
did it just slither off and look for the next victim.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
I don't think snakes have feelings, and I don't think
he does either.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I wouldn't count on him to live the rest of
his life in emotional turmoil about the way he treated
your sister before she died. Yet this is what he
says to wpd Ea B.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
See, let's listen to that one more time.
Speaker 8 (19:04):
Never once in any way, shape or form, not in
any type of abuse, not physical, and no type of
abuse ever. I'll to any better care of her than
any man could have possibly taken care of her.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Marmoston County, Now one one, what's the address of your emergency?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Hi?
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Are you able to trace the location on my phone?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
You don't know where you're at?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
A national park.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
I just want my family to know where to find me.
Speaker 11 (19:32):
While Micah Miller's family and friends hold service beachside for Micah,
John Paul Miller delivers a eulogy for his estranged wife,
Michael Miller at Solid Rocket Market Common. Miller seems to
cry without any tears while talking about how he tried
to raise Micah from the dead. Claims he laid down
with his wife about four times, and when he took
a dogtag necklace Micah had given him to the mall
to get it fixed, he saw a woman wearing Micah's
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dress with the same tattoo and hairstyle. He calls out Micah,
but it was her sister. How do you raised Micah
from the dead?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Okay, well wait wait, he thought he raised Micah from
the dead. According to him, after that, can we believe
anything he has to say. But let's go to the
here and out. But when you look at the here
and now, let's just say, when you don't know a horse,
look at his track record? What a history of let
(20:24):
me say ephemistically, turbulence.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
This couple has had listen.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
After Micah's tires have been slashed and a GPS tracker
is removed from her car, she gets an apology email
from John Paul Miller. In the apology email, pastor John
Paul Miller tells his estranged wife, quote, when someone hurts me,
I try to hurt them back rather than forgive. He
goes on to say, quote instead of forgiving you, I
(20:51):
just attack and try to cause pain.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Okay, I'm not quite sure why he is attacking her.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
What has she done to him? Now?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
There you hear. He apologizes for slashing her tires.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
He admits he had.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
A GPS tracker on her car, but just like posting
the semi nude photo of his wife to something called
big boobs and nice curves.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I've never even heard of that before.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Nothing was done, and now Micah is dead.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
But that's not all. Listen to what Micah told police herself.
Speaker 13 (21:32):
Michaeh Miller calls police February tenth to a Walmart parking
lot to report her car stolen by her estranged husband.
She explains to police she has been hospitalized against her will,
and while she was in the hospital, John Paul Miller
got her purse and keys. She tells police she has
known her husband since she was ten and he groomed
her while she worked for him at their church. Police
(21:53):
tell Micah, since they are still married, the car is
marital property and they can't charge him with anything.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I don't understand, Lauren Kalin, investigative reporter. You have him
apologizing in writing for surreptitiously posting her semi nude on
some freak site and getting some kind of a weird
kick out of it. You have him apologizing for slashing
her tires, for putting a GPS tracker on her, yet
(22:19):
local law enforcement did nothing. You got a woman crying
in the Walmart parking lot and nothing happens.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
What is wrong? Nothing happens, Nancy. It's completely heartbreaking.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
And as it was just stated, she was hospitalized against
her will. So this is just another form of JP
Miller's alleged course of control.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Two.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us a renowned chief medical examiner
in Terrant County. That's fort Worth, never a lack of
business at the Morgue there lecturer at the esteemed Brunette
School of Medicine TCU.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I just want to make sure many people do not
believe that Micha Miller committed suicide. I know she bought
the gun. I've seen the video of her buying the gun.
I know what she said to the nine on one dispatch.
But yet I still want definitive proof. Okay, call me
(23:18):
a doubter, but I just want to know. Now, how
can we prove that her gunshot wound was absolutely self inflicted?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Help me?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Doctor Crown's certainly so.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Based on the autopsy report. She has a gunshot wound
on the right side of her head that has stell
eight tears, a muscle impression, in black part particularly what
tears what stell eight tears, which are when the gases
of the bullet go into the scalp, it pulls up
and it creates this kind of stelly wound pattern on
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the skin. She also has black particulate matter in the wound,
which is from gun. So the one thing is so
this is a.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Crowns if someone held a gun to your head and
shot you point blank, a so called contact wound where
the gun is making contact with your head, you get
all of that.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
That doesn't tell me a suicide.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
That tells me she died of a contact gunshot wound.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
That's correct. Contact gunshot wound will cause all that. If
someone executes you, they would have to hold you in
place or somehow subdue you and then shoot you in
the head. So all we have is a contact wound.
But you have the context of she makes the nine
to one one call, she purchases the gun, and then
she is found with the gun or found in the water,
(24:43):
but guns at the scene with two fired casings. It
all has kind of the fitting of a suicide. Granted,
someone could have shot her in the head, but it
would be difficult to shoot someone in the head without
subduing them in some way, tying them up, cuffing.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Them, convinced to them it was the right thing to do.
Doctor Kendall Crowns, I know you spend most of your
time in the morgue, which is a whole other can
of worms for me. But that said, yes, people have
been convinced to commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I'm sure you recall Heaven's Gate.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
That was a new religious movement at the time where
many people, a couple of dozen people were convinced to
commit suicide to go to the hereafter. And then, of
course there was the pastor Jim Johnson that convinced people
to drink poisonous kool aid. Off the top of my head,
I can think of Michelle Carter who convinced her very
(25:41):
very tender, young innocent boyfriend to a hell carbon monoxide
till he dies. Yes, people have been convinced to commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
It has happened.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
I agree with you. Individuals have been convinced to commit
suicide by other individuals. But what you were referring to
earlier was someone shooting her in the head of contact range.
Was she convinced by someone to kill herself a possibility?
Do I think someone was standing there and pulled the trigger.
It's questionable.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So right there, right there. You know how I like
hard evidence.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I don't want to talk about how she may be
convinced to commit suicide. I want to talk about the
possibility that she was shot by someone else. Okay, that
she was convinced to purchase the gun, convinced to call
a nine one one, and then someone else pull the trigger.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Is it far fetched? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Is it because many, many people, right or wrong, believe
she didn't pull the trigger. So is there any hard evidence?
I know her body was in water, submerged in water,
doctor Kimmel Crown's. So if there had been gunshot residue
on her hand. We know that when you pull a trigger,
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a nearly invisible particulate emits from the gun as fine
as baby powder and gets on your hand, and it
can go as far as three feet, well proven to
go as far as three feet.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
All of that would have been destroyed in the water,
or would it.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
I believe the gunshow resident would have been destroyed in
the water itself. Yes, So by placing earned water you
could potentially cover up some of the evidence.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Doctor Kendall Crowns. I know you are the medical examiner,
you are the esteemed lecturer.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I know that, But.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Isn't it true when medical examiners are trying to determine
manner of death? We know she died of gunshot wound.
Manner of death? Was it an accident? Was it homicide?
Was it suicide? You look at extrinsic evidence, evidence that
is not related to the body itself, such as the
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nil one call, such as the video of her purchasing
the gun.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Isn't that true? That's correct.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
You use all that information to help you determine the
manner of death.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So in this case, are you relying on extrinsic evidence
or evidence obtained from her body when you say you
believe it was a suicide.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
So you would use both. You would use the evidence
obtained from the extrinsic evidence that she purchased the gun,
she made the nine to one one phone call. Then
you would look at the evidence on the body, the
contact range, gunshot wound, the fact that there's no evidence
of restraint and no evidence that she was drugged or
anything of that nature. So you would use all those
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findings to make the determination of suicide.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
In addition, to doctor Kendall Crown's renow medical examiner. As
you know, Anna Francis is joining us along with her lawyer,
Regina ward Hon, the sister of Mica Miller.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Was a full autopsy done on your sister?
Speaker 5 (29:00):
And if not, why it turns out there was not
a full autopsy done?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Regina war Did I hear that correctly? There was not
a full autopsy?
Speaker 12 (29:07):
That's correct, But je to remember legally who had the
authority to ask for one of those, and that would
have been her husband, Mister Miller.
Speaker 13 (29:16):
John Paul Miller's ex wife, Alison Miller, filed for divorce
from John Paul Miller after finding out he was having
an affair with their babysitter and his best friend's wife, Micah.
Micah Miller was married to John Paul Miller's best friend,
Jeremy Deese, who Micah married when she was just eighteen.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
What does John Paul Miller say? How can we analyze
his behavior? Take a listen to him? This is from
Celebration of Life.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
I want to read one of the more recent boems
she wrote.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And that's an nothing.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
She was so creative, she it was just always just
coming out of her imagine being married to that.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
It was like, is he actually crying or was he laughing?
That clip was from.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
The official Solid Rock Ministries Facebook page.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I would take that down immediately, but.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
That said, Anna Francis is with me Micah's sister. That
has just got to make your skin crawl whenever you
watch that.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Absolutely, and he was laughing, by the way, that was
not a cry, that was a laugh. You were correct.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, you know Karen.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Start and joining me, a renowned psychologists, TV radio trauma expert. Karen,
how many times have you seen people try to cry
and there.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
But nothing tears, There's not any even snot nothing.
Speaker 14 (30:55):
Nancy, look at everything that he's saying. I have to
agree with you. I mean, this is not crying. We
all know that there's no tears coming out. And he's
doing so much self comforting, touching his face, touching his eyes.
He can't stop touching himself because he's so anxious. There
is nothing about this person that's grieving over the loss
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of his wife. And when we know the backstory, and
it's a horrific backstory, how could he be talking about
his loss her creativity, all the wonderful things she did,
and how he is the only one, how narcissistic, is
that he is the only one that really cared about her.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I want to go back to Regina Ward, Micah's sisters lawyer.
She's at attorney Regina war dot com. You were there,
you observe some.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Of the federal ray.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
The FBI is forming your house, and I got to
tell you something. That's one thing I do not want
to see the FBI pickante my trash in the backyard. No,
that does not bode well. Now we know because Eric
Davis reminded us. Eric Davis joining us PI and jump
in Eric, if you have a thought on this, and
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I'm sure you do. We know that typically when a
search occurs that the affidavit of PC probable cause is attached.
What makes them want to enter the premises? What are
they looking for? That's what's on the PC affidavit. It
was in this case not attached. So what do you observe,
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Regina during the raid?
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Thank you, Nancy. I was there.
Speaker 12 (32:39):
Once I learned that the FBI had arrived on the
scene to execute that search warrant, I wanted to go,
obviously myself there because I have an interest to obviously
in this case all the way to the end, getting
the law chained so that we can take you get
people like mister Miller and handcuffs for the things that
he's done. As far as the FBI conducting their their search,
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obviously they're bagging things, putting them in paper bags, they
put them in boxes.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (33:10):
They've covered most of the things that they brought out
of the house obviously for various reasons. You know, we
do have this thing called the chain of custody with
regard to evidence, and obviously anything that they removed from there,
they're going to want to make sure that it was bagged,
as they say, tagged appropriately, labeled appropriately because you know,
del defense attorneys can can challenge these things. Obviously, we
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want if and when the indictment does come to arrest
John Paul Miller, we want.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
That that uh to stick. We want we want home
to be convicted.
Speaker 12 (33:44):
And so it's very important that all the evidence be
carefully handled.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Well what did you observe? What did you observe? That's
on the FBI. They're going to handle the evidence.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And I guarantee you if they're coming out with those
brown paper bags, they've got everyone sealed to Yeah, secure
the chain of custody.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
But what did you see?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I know he was out of town when it went down.
I'm sure they knew that before they went in. But
how big were the bags? How many bags?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
What did you hear? What did you observe?
Speaker 12 (34:12):
Yes, during the time I was there, there were multiple
sized bags and boxes what I would refer to as
grocery bag, brown paper, grocery bag type things that came out.
The one thing that I was excited to see that
was not backed or covered was an all in one CPU,
And so immediately my mind went to, yes, there's going
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to be some digital evidence there. We would hope anyway
that could lead to the next step. And the most
important next step here, of course, is getting that indictment.
The search for in itself whenever they execute that, they're
looking for additional.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Effort and indictment for what.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You can't indict someone for cheating on their wife. Why
are they searching his home? Doesn't have anything to do
with this Listen.
Speaker 11 (34:55):
Days before his home is rated by FBI agents, Pastor
John Paul Miller files core document. It's with the South
Carolina Secretary of State for a new religious incorporation that
he's calling Living Water Church at Market Common. The filing
states the nonprofit corporation is for religious, educational, charitable, and
literary purposes. The business address is listed as JP Miller's
personal residence in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Miller also formally
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changed the address of his church, Solid Rock Ministries to
its current location. The business address for the church since
two thousand and six has been the same address for
the home he shared with his first wife, Allison.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
The FBI raids the home of pastor John Paul Miller
months after his wife, Micah's death was ruled a suicide.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Why why now? What are they seeking to prove?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Joining me an all star panel to Eric Davis, private investigator,
what based on what we know is the purpose of
this raid?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
What are they looking for? Eric?
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Well, as you know, the sometimes defense come out in
when local law enforcement fails to take action or is
unable to take action. So what if I'm the case agent,
given this history of John Paul, I'm looking for fingerprints
being taken. They're not taking fingerprints to find Mike's fingerprints.
They know she lived there. They're looking for fingerprints as
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someone else. There's a myriad of reasons they could be looking.
But it could be white collar stuff, which would the
computers would have a lot of evidence of its financial transactions,
So it could be a number of things based on
his history.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
You now what, Eric Davis, You're so right.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
The fact that you and Regina, Regina observed it and
you're analyzing it, that digital evidence is clearly something they're
looking at, seizing devices such as computers, laptops and so forth.
Could it have anything to do with John Paul Miller
filing with the Secretary of State for a new religious
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incorporation he is calling Living Water Church at Market Common.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Is it about that?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Is it about, as you said, allegations of underage sex?
Why would the FBI be doing that? Well, think, think, think, think,
use that noodle. Remember Jared Fogel, the subway pitch man.
He was taking miners across state lines. Enter the FEDS
for sex with miners translation statutory rape. So if the
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Feds want in, they will find a way in. And
I've just got to ask you. Anna Francis is with me,
Micah's sister. Everyone is talking about his affairs, his sex
misconduct dating back for early decades allegedly, but that is
not the grounds cannot be the grounds for a criminal proceeding.
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What does feel like to have your sister gone and
to feel he is somehow responsible even though legally he.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
May not be, and nobody does anything.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
No one ever followed up with him slashing her tires
and apologizing, posting her half nude without her knowledge on
some freaky website, putting a GPS monitor on her phone.
All of those are actual crimes and nothing was ever done.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
Yeah, that's a very heavy and loaded question for sure.
Our family just stays hopeful through this process that justice
will come for her. Nothing can ever be enough for
what she actually endured, but we hope that accountability will happen.
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It's definitely necessary for her for many other people that
endured what he had put them through. We're really trying
to focus on who Micah was as a person to
get through this. As a family, We're focusing on what
she was going to do with her life. The last
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few months that she was still with us, she was
organizing her new charity, Waymakers. She called it Waymakers because
God always makes a way, you know, through her trials
and through everything that terrible that was happening to her,
She always said God will make away, and we are
trying to be her hands in her feet by carrying
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through her charity doing events. We actually have one coming
up November sixteenth and Market Commons. We're going to have
Micu's first Mike's charity event. We're calling it Mike's Benefit
Concert actually because she was a singer and this is
something that she was going to do, and we're going
to carry out everything that she was planning on doing,
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and this is how we can have justice for Micah
is still be her voice in her hands on her feet.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Remember, John Paul Miller is innocent in the eyes of
Lady Justice until he is proven beyond a reasonable doubt
of criminal wrongdoing. Right now, he stands just as innocent.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
As me or you. If you know or.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Think you know anything about alleged misdoing, please contact Justice
for Micah Tips Micah m I c A Justice for
Micah Tips at gmail dot com. Justice for Micah Tips
at gmail dot com. Justice for Micah Tips at gmail
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dot com. I guarantee you Attorney Regena Ward will get
any permanent information to the FBI. Thank you to our guests,
especially Anna Francis, Micah's sister, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Michael Miller's past her husband's
home rated by the FBI after Mike's mysterious suicide.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
God hates divorce.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
But why?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
According to everybody I've asked and the scriptures that I've found,
it's because it hurts people.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
But does abuse hurt people?
Speaker 5 (00:34):
How do you think God feels about that?
Speaker 6 (00:37):
I almost ink counting now one one?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
What's the address of your emergency?
Speaker 7 (00:42):
I just want my family to know where to find me.
Speaker 8 (00:45):
I got this late next to her body, and it's
been down with their body about four times this week.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It each time it still didn't hit me. I thought
she was going to wake up.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
You know.
Speaker 8 (00:56):
I even tried to raise her from the dead one
time this week.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
To my knowledge, that only happened twice in history. There
was Lazarus who was raised from the dead if you
choose to believe the Bible, and I do.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
And then of course there was Christ.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Now did I just understand John Paul Miller, the husband
of a beautiful, beautiful on the inside and the out
young woman Micah now dead? Did he just say I
laid next to her body and spent time with her
body four times this week and it didn't He hit me.
(01:38):
I thought she was going to wake up. I even
tried to raise her from the dead. Okay, Laura and
Colin joining me investigative reporter co hosts Primetime Crime on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
You can find her at Popcrime dot Tv. Lauren, Did
I hear that right? I need a reality check?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Did he just say he tried to raise her from
the dead and he laid by her body four times
and he still didn't realize that she was dead.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes, Nancy, You're correct he said that.
Speaker 9 (02:06):
John Paul Miller has said a plethora of odd statements,
and I also want to point out that when he
announced his wife's death, it was almost like a side
note at the end of this sermon, which just did
not sit right with me.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
In the last days, the FBI has rated Micah Miller's
husband's home. Why with me an all star panel to
make sense of what we know right now? But before
I get into the raid, I want to speak to
Anna Francis.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
This is Micah's sister. Anna. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Were you surprised at all when you learned the FBI
I'm not talking about Andy and Barney from Mayberry. I'm
talking about the FBI rating his home. Were you surprised
at all?
Speaker 5 (02:59):
I don't think you'reness really surprised with anything that happens anymore.
It seems like no matter what is going on in
this case, there's things that are happening in right and
left field the whole time. So our families basically just
staying hopeful that justice will come for Micah. But nothing
can surprise us at this point.
Speaker 10 (03:20):
While many speculate as to the reason the FBI rated
swarmed Micah Miller's husband's home, many believe that somehow, some
way it relates back to this.
Speaker 11 (03:35):
Investigators at Lumber River State Park are notified by a
kayaker at four twenty three pm that a body is
in the river and a black bag with idea of
money found on the bank of the river is turned
over to law enforcement as well. Officers recover two spend
casings and one live round on the bank of the river,
and there's no sign of a physical struggle. A regional
pathologist is called to the scene for assistance. Micah Miller
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is found submerged in the river beside tree limbs about
one hundred feet from the Casings too.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
An A.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Francis joining us. This is Micah's sister. When did you
learn that Micah had passed away?
Speaker 5 (04:09):
That night?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Very late?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
And I got a call from my brother, actually it
was about it was about midnight, almost and my brother
goes to bed very early, so I knew something was wrong.
So he told me what had happened, and I just
couldn't believe it. I said, there's no way, She's probably
just hiding somewhere. She probably faked it just to get away.
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But just disbelief is what happened first through my mind
for probably weeks with me.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Regina Ward, this is Micah's sister's lawyer, attorney.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
For her family.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You can find her at attorney Regina Ward dot com.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Regina, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Why is it do you believe that so many supporters
of Micah still believe that somehow the husband's responsible.
Speaker 12 (05:04):
Well, obviously there are too many questions that are unanswered.
There are things that don't.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Add up to a logical thought.
Speaker 12 (05:11):
Pattern, and so those types of things obviously keep it questionable.
And the other thing, you know, I guess at the
end of the day, as far as eyewitnesses to what
happened to say, really what happened on that day, and
without that information, looking at everything else, mister Miller's bizarre
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behavior after the passing of his wife, so many things,
and plus the history of that relationship certainly makes you know,
anyone look at that and say things just it just
doesn't pass the smell test, you know, it just doesn't
add up well.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
For so long, she had lived basically under a rain
of fear. She was undermined at every turn by alleged affairs,
her tires being flatted, her car being taken, one thing
after the next, after the next, after the next.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Long story short, we do know this, Listen.
Speaker 13 (06:16):
Micah contacted police after her estranged husband posted an indecent
photo of her on a Facebook group called Big Boobs
and Nice Curves. Police told Micah since the photo was
posted anonymously, there was nothing they could do. John Paul
Miller apologized to Micah via email, telling her I'm sorry
for putting a picture of you on the internet. He added,
I just wanted to try and hurt you. He also
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included it was evil of me to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Of course, it has been ruled a suicide, yet that
is not stopping protesters.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Straight out to Eric J.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Davis, private investigator licensed in this jurisdiction, you can find
him at RDFIG that is Richardson Davis and Forrest Investigative Group,
And for my purposes he's former FBI supervisory Agent.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Eric Davis, thank you for being with us. I find
that very.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Difficult to believe that the pastor writes puts in writing,
I'm sorry for putting the picture of you on the Internet.
I just wanted to try and hurt you. It was
evil of me to do that. Yet that has not
been prosecuted. So how hard is it to prove? I mean,
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I'm sure everybody's heard of IP Internet provider address. Any
such transmission can be traced directly back to the computer from.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Whence it came. It's like a fingerprint.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Then we've got in writing the man apologizes he did
it posting her indecent photo on a site called Big
Boobs and Nice Curves. Really, and that wasn't prosecuted, Eric Davis?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Why?
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Well, it maybe Broski the SBI conducted raid and brought
the evidence response team into JP's house, and that could
have been for a myriad or reasons. But certainly that
would have been one of them to check the computers
for any evidence that he had sent it, or his
phones and other things they could be looking at. Could
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be a white collar offense having to do with the
church and money movement. It's hard to know until you
get hold of the Affidavid. And when you have a
search warrant, that means a special agent went to a
judge and convinced the judge there's probable cause of a
federal crime, and the judge agreed and permitted the search warrant.
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But the Affidavid, I'm sure is sealed right now, so
we can't read it yet.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Oh yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Eric Davis joining us from Richardson, Davis and Forrest Investigative Group.
I like what you just said because you know how
the fads love money trail. But that said, Karen Start,
I need help. I need a shrink. Karen Start renounced
psychologists joining us out of Manhattan TV radio trauma expert.
You can find her at Karenstart dot com. Karen with
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the Karen, thanks again for being with us. Posting your
wife's photo, Anna Francis.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Was it a naked photo? Was she closed in anyway?
Speaker 14 (09:17):
From what I could tell it was a naked photo, Nancy,
but it was blurred, and every step of the way
the police did not investigate. When she complained about anything
that had to do with cohesive control ways, that he
was subtly, very subtly taking over her life and he
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was tracking her, and they said they couldn't investigate. That
they didn't investigate the photo.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
She was married.
Speaker 14 (09:45):
They kept coming up with reasons for why they could
not help this beautiful woman whose life was taken over
by this pastor.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Karen Starke, I agree with everything you just said, but
my question was not that your response was un responsive.
I asked you about a man that would post well
any woman, much less his wife's naked photo on big
boobs and nice curves. I mean, what a POC technical
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legal term.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
You got to help me out. I don't understand the thinking,
Karen Stark.
Speaker 14 (10:20):
It's just what he's all about, and he knows that
if he does that, he's going to humiliate her. It's
one more way that she doesn't feel good about herself.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Guys, we were learning that in the last days, the
FBI has raided the home of Micah Miller's pastor husband,
John Paul Miller this as protests go on outside the
church outside his home. Why did the FBI swarm his
home taking out bag after bag after bag?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
What's happening? Listen?
Speaker 11 (10:52):
Pastor John Paul Miller isn't home and the FBI Evidence
Response team shows up to rate his South Carolina home.
The FBI won't say what they're looking for. An FBI spokesman,
Kevin Wheeler tells you I say today the FBI is
conducting court authorized law enforcement activity, been due to the
ongoing nature of the investigation, will be providing no fur
their comments on the matter. The lawyer for Pastor John
Paul Miller, Russell Long, claims the FBI is on a
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fishing expedition. There was no affidavit attached to the search warrant, Therefore,
I have no idea what it's in relation to. All
day long, members of the FBI's Evidence Response team go
in and out of the home carrying paper bags and
other items from the home.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I just want to let you know that I'm alive
and well, and I'm going through a lot, and it's hard.
Speaker 14 (11:40):
Circumstances would change. I pray that the fear inside would
flee and Jesus.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Nay, it's very hard to believe that Michah Miller is dead.
Our body found submerged in a body of water. Joining
me an all star panel. But I want to go
first to Chris joining us, who claims that the pastor
John Paul Miller begged her for nude photos.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Christianna, thank you for being with us. What happened?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
He came into the restaurant where I was working back
in February and left his name on his I mean
left his phone number on his receipt. And I'm a
very curious person, and you can't be too cautious these days,
so out of curiosity, I looked him up to see
who he was. I saw that he was a pastor
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and quite possibly married, and I, I guess I didn't
react like most people would, and I was suspicious, and
it made me angry because I've grown up watching similar
situations to this take place. So I thought, is there
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something I can do? Can I perhaps report this to
his church or contact his wife or something. I wasn't sure.
I ended up talking to a friend of mine who
had a friend who had attended the church and had
a very bad experience. So I ended up getting some
information from that friend, and when I spoke with him,
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I didn't let on that I was aware of anything
about him, and I ended up with screenshots of him
asking for nudes and just being generally sleazy.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Okay, I want to hear the whole thing, Christianna. What
do you mean by generally being sleazy?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Just well, he said that he wanted to see well,
he asked if I had a picture of me with
just a mermaid tale. I do character appearances for birthday
parties and things as a mermaid. And he was saying
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that in response to one of my photos, asking if
I had one, basically asking if I had a topic.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I have a question. Okay, yeah, right, right.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So you're a waitress in a restaurant. He comes in,
he gives you his phone number, right, and you start
communicating by text and phone, I guess, and he wants
you to give him a photo of you with nothing
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but a mermaid tail on. That's correct, Okay, hold on,
let me just digest that for just one moment.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Okay, did you mentioned this was in February of what year?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
This year, twenty twenty four, and that would have been
just before Mica was found dead in April of twenty four. Okay,
I'm going to circle back to that timeline. So you
said he was asking for nude photos excuse me, plus
some marmaiytail and what did you say?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You said he was also generally sleazy in what way?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And all this time you knew he's a pat not
only married, but a pastor to boot.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So what happened?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
We didn't text a whole lot. It was for about
two weeks, just occasional. I guess. I just kept the
line of communication open enough to get the screenshots, and
I wasn't really sure what I was going to do
with it from there because I had learned from my
friend that his church had a history of.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Covering up his behavior.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
And I was unable to find any way to contact
his wife. At the time. There was a Facebook page
in her name, but I gathered that he was running it,
and I didn't know if she had any access to it,
and I couldn't find anything else, So I just kind of.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Did you ever tell him you knew he was a
married pastor?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
I did not.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
What did you do with the screenshots? Did you ever
show them to anyone?
Speaker 7 (16:04):
So?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Well, initially, now after I found out about Mica I
had talked with another friend and said should I text
him and see how he responds. And my friend was like, yeah,
if you're up for it, go for it, because this
friend was covering some of it. And so I sent
him a text and I just played it off and
(16:26):
said something like, hey, stranger, how have you been anything new?
And this man responded with yes, lots new lol, days
after what happened to her. And so I have a
screenshot of that and all of the previous screenshots, but
I haven't done anything else with them except I sent
(16:49):
the entire conversation to Regina so that she would have
the full account.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, that's really interesting that he is coming to you
a waitressy spot, like a shark at work, gets your
number and immediately starts asking you.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
For naked photos.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
This in comparison to what he just told WPDE listen.
Speaker 8 (17:16):
Never once, in any way, shape or form, not in
any type of abuse, not physical, and no type of
abuse ever. I took better care of her than any
man could have possibly taken care of her.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
That's from our friends at WPDE ABC fifteen. Hold on,
let's analyze that Anna Francis is with me. This is
MICA's sister, he says, not once, in any way, shape
or form, Not in any type of abuse, not physical
and any back tracks, No, no type of abuse ever.
I took better care of her than any man could
(17:47):
have possibly taken care of her in any way. Does
that include hitting on Christina in a restaurant and asking
for nude photos? Then, just days after your sister's death
by gunshot wound, her body found submerged in a body
of water, he writes, Lots.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Happening, l l There's a lot that he will try
to cover up for the rest of his life and
try to deny and tell himself that that's not the
truth when everyone else around him knows that that's not
the truth, he will still continue to push his narrative
for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Hona, I appreciate your thought that he will live in
a mental and emotional hell of his own making.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Okay, when a snake, let's just say, rattlesnake, bites and
kills someone, you think it feels bad about that or
did it just slither off and look for the next victim.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
I don't think snakes have feelings, and I don't think
he does either.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I wouldn't count on him to live the rest of
his life in emotional turmoil about the way he treated
your sister before she died. Yet this is what he
says to wpd Ea B.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
See, let's listen to that one more time.
Speaker 8 (19:04):
Never once in any way, shape or form, not in
any type of abuse, not physical, and no type of
abuse ever. I'll to any better care of her than
any man could have possibly taken care of her.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Marmoston County, Now one one, what's the address of your emergency?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Hi?
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Are you able to trace the location on my phone?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
You don't know where you're at?
Speaker 3 (19:24):
A national park.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
I just want my family to know where to find me.
Speaker 11 (19:32):
While Micah Miller's family and friends hold service beachside for Micah,
John Paul Miller delivers a eulogy for his estranged wife,
Michael Miller at Solid Rocket Market Common. Miller seems to
cry without any tears while talking about how he tried
to raise Micah from the dead. Claims he laid down
with his wife about four times, and when he took
a dogtag necklace Micah had given him to the mall
to get it fixed, he saw a woman wearing Micah's
(19:54):
dress with the same tattoo and hairstyle. He calls out Micah,
but it was her sister. How do you raised Micah
from the dead?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Okay, well wait wait, he thought he raised Micah from
the dead. According to him, after that, can we believe
anything he has to say. But let's go to the
here and out. But when you look at the here
and now, let's just say, when you don't know a horse,
look at his track record? What a history of let
(20:24):
me say ephemistically, turbulence.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
This couple has had listen.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
After Micah's tires have been slashed and a GPS tracker
is removed from her car, she gets an apology email
from John Paul Miller. In the apology email, pastor John
Paul Miller tells his estranged wife, quote, when someone hurts me,
I try to hurt them back rather than forgive. He
goes on to say, quote instead of forgiving you, I
(20:51):
just attack and try to cause pain.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Okay, I'm not quite sure why he is attacking her.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
What has she done to him? Now?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
There you hear. He apologizes for slashing her tires.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
He admits he had.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
A GPS tracker on her car, but just like posting
the semi nude photo of his wife to something called
big boobs and nice curves.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I've never even heard of that before.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Nothing was done, and now Micah is dead.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
But that's not all. Listen to what Micah told police herself.
Speaker 13 (21:32):
Michaeh Miller calls police February tenth to a Walmart parking
lot to report her car stolen by her estranged husband.
She explains to police she has been hospitalized against her will,
and while she was in the hospital, John Paul Miller
got her purse and keys. She tells police she has
known her husband since she was ten and he groomed
her while she worked for him at their church. Police
(21:53):
tell Micah, since they are still married, the car is
marital property and they can't charge him with anything.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I don't understand, Lauren Kalin, investigative reporter. You have him
apologizing in writing for surreptitiously posting her semi nude on
some freak site and getting some kind of a weird
kick out of it. You have him apologizing for slashing
her tires, for putting a GPS tracker on her, yet
(22:19):
local law enforcement did nothing. You got a woman crying
in the Walmart parking lot and nothing happens.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
What is wrong? Nothing happens, Nancy. It's completely heartbreaking.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
And as it was just stated, she was hospitalized against
her will. So this is just another form of JP
Miller's alleged course of control.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Two.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us a renowned chief medical examiner
in Terrant County. That's fort Worth, never a lack of
business at the Morgue there lecturer at the esteemed Brunette
School of Medicine TCU.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I just want to make sure many people do not
believe that Micha Miller committed suicide. I know she bought
the gun. I've seen the video of her buying the gun.
I know what she said to the nine on one dispatch.
But yet I still want definitive proof. Okay, call me
(23:18):
a doubter, but I just want to know. Now, how
can we prove that her gunshot wound was absolutely self inflicted?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Help me?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Doctor Crown's certainly so.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Based on the autopsy report. She has a gunshot wound
on the right side of her head that has stell
eight tears, a muscle impression, in black part particularly what
tears what stell eight tears, which are when the gases
of the bullet go into the scalp, it pulls up
and it creates this kind of stelly wound pattern on
(23:52):
the skin. She also has black particulate matter in the wound,
which is from gun. So the one thing is so
this is a.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Crowns if someone held a gun to your head and
shot you point blank, a so called contact wound where
the gun is making contact with your head, you get
all of that.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
That doesn't tell me a suicide.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
That tells me she died of a contact gunshot wound.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
That's correct. Contact gunshot wound will cause all that. If
someone executes you, they would have to hold you in
place or somehow subdue you and then shoot you in
the head. So all we have is a contact wound.
But you have the context of she makes the nine
to one one call, she purchases the gun, and then
she is found with the gun or found in the water,
(24:43):
but guns at the scene with two fired casings. It
all has kind of the fitting of a suicide. Granted,
someone could have shot her in the head, but it
would be difficult to shoot someone in the head without
subduing them in some way, tying them up, cuffing.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Them, convinced to them it was the right thing to do.
Doctor Kendall Crowns, I know you spend most of your
time in the morgue, which is a whole other can
of worms for me. But that said, yes, people have
been convinced to commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I'm sure you recall Heaven's Gate.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
That was a new religious movement at the time where
many people, a couple of dozen people were convinced to
commit suicide to go to the hereafter. And then, of
course there was the pastor Jim Johnson that convinced people
to drink poisonous kool aid. Off the top of my head,
I can think of Michelle Carter who convinced her very
(25:41):
very tender, young innocent boyfriend to a hell carbon monoxide
till he dies. Yes, people have been convinced to commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
It has happened.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
I agree with you. Individuals have been convinced to commit
suicide by other individuals. But what you were referring to
earlier was someone shooting her in the head of contact range.
Was she convinced by someone to kill herself a possibility?
Do I think someone was standing there and pulled the trigger.
It's questionable.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So right there, right there. You know how I like
hard evidence.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I don't want to talk about how she may be
convinced to commit suicide. I want to talk about the
possibility that she was shot by someone else. Okay, that
she was convinced to purchase the gun, convinced to call
a nine one one, and then someone else pull the trigger.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Is it far fetched? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Is it because many, many people, right or wrong, believe
she didn't pull the trigger. So is there any hard evidence?
I know her body was in water, submerged in water,
doctor Kimmel Crown's. So if there had been gunshot residue
on her hand. We know that when you pull a trigger,
(27:01):
a nearly invisible particulate emits from the gun as fine
as baby powder and gets on your hand, and it
can go as far as three feet, well proven to
go as far as three feet.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
All of that would have been destroyed in the water,
or would it.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
I believe the gunshow resident would have been destroyed in
the water itself. Yes, So by placing earned water you
could potentially cover up some of the evidence.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Doctor Kendall Crowns. I know you are the medical examiner,
you are the esteemed lecturer.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I know that, But.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Isn't it true when medical examiners are trying to determine
manner of death? We know she died of gunshot wound.
Manner of death? Was it an accident? Was it homicide?
Was it suicide? You look at extrinsic evidence, evidence that
is not related to the body itself, such as the
(28:01):
nil one call, such as the video of her purchasing
the gun.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Isn't that true? That's correct.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
You use all that information to help you determine the
manner of death.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So in this case, are you relying on extrinsic evidence
or evidence obtained from her body when you say you
believe it was a suicide.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
So you would use both. You would use the evidence
obtained from the extrinsic evidence that she purchased the gun,
she made the nine to one one phone call. Then
you would look at the evidence on the body, the
contact range, gunshot wound, the fact that there's no evidence
of restraint and no evidence that she was drugged or
anything of that nature. So you would use all those
(28:42):
findings to make the determination of suicide.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
In addition, to doctor Kendall Crown's renow medical examiner. As
you know, Anna Francis is joining us along with her lawyer,
Regina ward Hon, the sister of Mica Miller.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Was a full autopsy done on your sister?
Speaker 5 (29:00):
And if not, why it turns out there was not
a full autopsy done?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Regina war Did I hear that correctly? There was not
a full autopsy?
Speaker 12 (29:07):
That's correct, But je to remember legally who had the
authority to ask for one of those, and that would
have been her husband, Mister Miller.
Speaker 13 (29:16):
John Paul Miller's ex wife, Alison Miller, filed for divorce
from John Paul Miller after finding out he was having
an affair with their babysitter and his best friend's wife, Micah.
Micah Miller was married to John Paul Miller's best friend,
Jeremy Deese, who Micah married when she was just eighteen.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
What does John Paul Miller say? How can we analyze
his behavior? Take a listen to him? This is from
Celebration of Life.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
I want to read one of the more recent boems
she wrote.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
And that's an nothing.
Speaker 8 (29:50):
She was so creative, she it was just always just
coming out of her imagine being married to that.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
It was like, is he actually crying or was he laughing?
That clip was from.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
The official Solid Rock Ministries Facebook page.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I would take that down immediately, but.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
That said, Anna Francis is with me Micah's sister. That
has just got to make your skin crawl whenever you
watch that.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Absolutely, and he was laughing, by the way, that was
not a cry, that was a laugh. You were correct.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, you know Karen.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Start and joining me, a renowned psychologists, TV radio trauma expert. Karen,
how many times have you seen people try to cry
and there.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
But nothing tears, There's not any even snot nothing.
Speaker 14 (30:55):
Nancy, look at everything that he's saying. I have to
agree with you. I mean, this is not crying. We
all know that there's no tears coming out. And he's
doing so much self comforting, touching his face, touching his eyes.
He can't stop touching himself because he's so anxious. There
is nothing about this person that's grieving over the loss
(31:20):
of his wife. And when we know the backstory, and
it's a horrific backstory, how could he be talking about
his loss her creativity, all the wonderful things she did,
and how he is the only one, how narcissistic, is
that he is the only one that really cared about her.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I want to go back to Regina Ward, Micah's sisters lawyer.
She's at attorney Regina war dot com. You were there,
you observe some.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Of the federal ray.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
The FBI is forming your house, and I got to
tell you something. That's one thing I do not want
to see the FBI pickante my trash in the backyard. No,
that does not bode well. Now we know because Eric
Davis reminded us. Eric Davis joining us PI and jump
in Eric, if you have a thought on this, and
(32:11):
I'm sure you do. We know that typically when a
search occurs that the affidavit of PC probable cause is attached.
What makes them want to enter the premises? What are
they looking for? That's what's on the PC affidavit. It
was in this case not attached. So what do you observe,
(32:34):
Regina during the raid?
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Thank you, Nancy. I was there.
Speaker 12 (32:39):
Once I learned that the FBI had arrived on the
scene to execute that search warrant, I wanted to go,
obviously myself there because I have an interest to obviously
in this case all the way to the end, getting
the law chained so that we can take you get
people like mister Miller and handcuffs for the things that
he's done. As far as the FBI conducting their their search,
(33:04):
obviously they're bagging things, putting them in paper bags, they
put them in boxes.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
Uh.
Speaker 12 (33:10):
They've covered most of the things that they brought out
of the house obviously for various reasons. You know, we
do have this thing called the chain of custody with
regard to evidence, and obviously anything that they removed from there,
they're going to want to make sure that it was bagged,
as they say, tagged appropriately, labeled appropriately because you know,
del defense attorneys can can challenge these things. Obviously, we
(33:34):
want if and when the indictment does come to arrest
John Paul Miller, we want.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
That that uh to stick. We want we want home
to be convicted.
Speaker 12 (33:44):
And so it's very important that all the evidence be
carefully handled.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Well what did you observe? What did you observe? That's
on the FBI. They're going to handle the evidence.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And I guarantee you if they're coming out with those
brown paper bags, they've got everyone sealed to Yeah, secure
the chain of custody.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
But what did you see?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I know he was out of town when it went down.
I'm sure they knew that before they went in. But
how big were the bags? How many bags?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
What did you hear? What did you observe?
Speaker 12 (34:12):
Yes, during the time I was there, there were multiple
sized bags and boxes what I would refer to as
grocery bag, brown paper, grocery bag type things that came out.
The one thing that I was excited to see that
was not backed or covered was an all in one CPU,
And so immediately my mind went to, yes, there's going
(34:32):
to be some digital evidence there. We would hope anyway
that could lead to the next step. And the most
important next step here, of course, is getting that indictment.
The search for in itself whenever they execute that, they're
looking for additional.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Effort and indictment for what.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You can't indict someone for cheating on their wife. Why
are they searching his home? Doesn't have anything to do
with this Listen.
Speaker 11 (34:55):
Days before his home is rated by FBI agents, Pastor
John Paul Miller files core document. It's with the South
Carolina Secretary of State for a new religious incorporation that
he's calling Living Water Church at Market Common. The filing
states the nonprofit corporation is for religious, educational, charitable, and
literary purposes. The business address is listed as JP Miller's
personal residence in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Miller also formally
(35:18):
changed the address of his church, Solid Rock Ministries to
its current location. The business address for the church since
two thousand and six has been the same address for
the home he shared with his first wife, Allison.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
The FBI raids the home of pastor John Paul Miller
months after his wife, Micah's death was ruled a suicide.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Why why now? What are they seeking to prove?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Joining me an all star panel to Eric Davis, private investigator,
what based on what we know is the purpose of
this raid?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
What are they looking for? Eric?
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Well, as you know, the sometimes defense come out in
when local law enforcement fails to take action or is
unable to take action. So what if I'm the case agent,
given this history of John Paul, I'm looking for fingerprints
being taken. They're not taking fingerprints to find Mike's fingerprints.
They know she lived there. They're looking for fingerprints as
(36:18):
someone else. There's a myriad of reasons they could be looking.
But it could be white collar stuff, which would the
computers would have a lot of evidence of its financial transactions,
So it could be a number of things based on
his history.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
You now what, Eric Davis, You're so right.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
The fact that you and Regina, Regina observed it and
you're analyzing it, that digital evidence is clearly something they're
looking at, seizing devices such as computers, laptops and so forth.
Could it have anything to do with John Paul Miller
filing with the Secretary of State for a new religious
(36:57):
incorporation he is calling Living Water Church at Market Common.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Is it about that?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Is it about, as you said, allegations of underage sex?
Why would the FBI be doing that? Well, think, think, think, think,
use that noodle. Remember Jared Fogel, the subway pitch man.
He was taking miners across state lines. Enter the FEDS
for sex with miners translation statutory rape. So if the
(37:32):
Feds want in, they will find a way in. And
I've just got to ask you. Anna Francis is with me,
Micah's sister. Everyone is talking about his affairs, his sex
misconduct dating back for early decades allegedly, but that is
not the grounds cannot be the grounds for a criminal proceeding.
(37:59):
What does feel like to have your sister gone and
to feel he is somehow responsible even though legally he.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
May not be, and nobody does anything.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
No one ever followed up with him slashing her tires
and apologizing, posting her half nude without her knowledge on
some freaky website, putting a GPS monitor on her phone.
All of those are actual crimes and nothing was ever done.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
Yeah, that's a very heavy and loaded question for sure.
Our family just stays hopeful through this process that justice
will come for her. Nothing can ever be enough for
what she actually endured, but we hope that accountability will happen.
(38:52):
It's definitely necessary for her for many other people that
endured what he had put them through. We're really trying
to focus on who Micah was as a person to
get through this. As a family, We're focusing on what
she was going to do with her life. The last
(39:14):
few months that she was still with us, she was
organizing her new charity, Waymakers. She called it Waymakers because
God always makes a way, you know, through her trials
and through everything that terrible that was happening to her,
She always said God will make away, and we are
trying to be her hands in her feet by carrying
(39:36):
through her charity doing events. We actually have one coming
up November sixteenth and Market Commons. We're going to have
Micu's first Mike's charity event. We're calling it Mike's Benefit
Concert actually because she was a singer and this is
something that she was going to do, and we're going
to carry out everything that she was planning on doing,
(39:58):
and this is how we can have justice for Micah
is still be her voice in her hands on her feet.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Remember, John Paul Miller is innocent in the eyes of
Lady Justice until he is proven beyond a reasonable doubt
of criminal wrongdoing. Right now, he stands just as innocent.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
As me or you. If you know or.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Think you know anything about alleged misdoing, please contact Justice
for Micah Tips Micah m I c A Justice for
Micah Tips at gmail dot com. Justice for Micah Tips
at gmail dot com. Justice for Micah Tips at gmail
(40:47):
dot com. I guarantee you Attorney Regena Ward will get
any permanent information to the FBI. Thank you to our guests,
especially Anna Francis, Micah's sister, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Host
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