September 22, 2025 • 45 mins
Celeste Rivas Hernandez is just 13 when she is reported missing from her family home in Lake Elsinore, 70 miles southeast of Los Angeles.
Described as 5 feet, 3 inches tall and weighing 120 pounds, the child was last seen wearing a black shirt, gray pants, and Hello Kitty sandals. Her mother says she has a boyfriend named "David."
Residents in a Hollywood Hills neighborhood grow tired of a damaged and dusty 2023 Tesla Model Y with a Texas license plate parked on the street for a month and report the vehicle abandoned. The car is towed to an impound lot, where days later employees at Hollywood Tow notice a foul odor coming from the car and call police. Responding officers discover a decomposing body in a bag in the frunk of the Tesla. The Tesla is registered in Hempstead, Texas, to David Anthony Burke, better known as the singer/songwriter D4vd. The car was never reported stolen.
The severely decomposed, partially dismembered remains found in the Tesla are identified as Celeste Rivas, 15, but 13 at the time she went missing, more than a year ago, in Lake Elsinore, California. She was identified through forensics, and a cause of death has not been determined.
A search warrant is executed on the house singer D4vd was living in the Hollywood Hills neighborhood, near where the Tesla containing Celeste's remains was abandoned. Investigators carry a computer and bags of evidence out of the home, and when the garage door is open, police are seen searching another Tesla vehicle inside the garage.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Jo-Anna Nieves - Criminal Defense Attorney and Founder of The Nieves Law Firm; Instagram, Facebook and X: nieveslawfirm, YouTube and TikTok: thenieveslawfirm
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Moses Castillo - Private Investigator for the Dordulian Law Group, Former Supervisor Detective with the Los Angeles Police Department
- Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet," and Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;" Instagram and X @JoScottForensic
- Israel Salas-Rodriguez - Senior News Reporter at The U.S. Sun; X: @Israel_SR34
- Dave Mack -Crime Stories, Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a missing little girl celested
just thirteen years old, which he goes missing, found decomposing,
partially dismembered, and a star's tesla trunk who is now
(00:23):
whining because his tour is canceled. I means he Grace,
this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Us celest Hernandez, an eleven year old girl, full of
life but also young and naive. When given the chance
to chat with an older boy online, she engaged unknowingly
opening the door to a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
The music star I'm talking about has gone multi platinum.
But before I talk about all of his musical success
and how much money he's making and how famous he is,
can I show you what he just reposted? Okay of
a guy chopping up lunching me and he says me,
(01:07):
if I see her talk with other dudes, you know,
not a good look when you're then thirteen year old
girlfriend is found dismembered and decomposing in your tesla. And
as I recall to Israel Salas Rodriguez joining a senior
(01:28):
news reporter, US son not just dismembered and decomposing. I
mean you, by the way, that video is from at
Brian on TikTok. You could smell the trunk as you
approached the tesla. And isn't this true? Israel Salas Rodriguez
(01:50):
that the tesla was noticed by the neighborhood because it
was so dusty and it had been sitting there for
so long. My point is, how could somebody put a
then thirteen year old little girl in a trunk and
leave the car there for weeks on end? How long
(02:12):
was that car sitting there, Israel.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
That's right, Nancy. So the car was reportedly sitting there
for weeks and an the fluent neighborhood in Los Angeles,
the Hollywood Hills neighbors complained about a foul order coming
from the tesla. However, it wasn't until early September when
authorities finally impounded that vehicle from the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
To most of Castillo joining us out of Orange County.
Private investigator for the Geordoulian Law Group, former supervisor detective
from LAPD and you can find him at Moses Castillo
Investigations dot com. Moses, you just heard Israel south Rodriguez
refer to Hollywood Hills as like you know a cushi
(02:51):
posh neighborhood. He's right, it is. Tell me about Hollywood
Hills and why anybody would notice a dusty tesla with
dents in it sitting there for a really long time.
Not these people, their cars are all like parked in
their five car garages. Nobody's leaving a junk car out
on the street in Hollywood Hills. Yeah, this is an
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upscode neighborhood.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Who celebrities are there, you know, all the time, and
they cared for the cars and when they see something
that's out.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Of out of whack, especially the order.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I'm so surprised that the initial response didn't cause somebody
to open the trunk because they would have discovered the
body right there and there.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
You know, we're showing you the toe lot where it
ended up. That's the last thing you want is your
car ending up in a toe lot, you know. Joe
Scott Morgan joining me, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
of Blood Beneath My Feet, and he's a star of
a hit podcast series, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.
Joe Scott three weeks at least three weeks and the
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same soccer moms and executive dads, you know, jog buy
and they're matching out this and go, wow, that Tessa's
been there a long time. What's that smell? Really? Three weeks?
What was going on in that trunk? Joe Scott, Well, what.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Was going on in the truck is advanced decomposition. And
let me throw this at you, Nancy. I don't know
that the body was always in the trunk. The body
may have been decomposing somewhere else placed in the trunk, which, hey,
I've gotten a little education now on these tesla's. They
actually refer to them as a fronk because the trunk
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is on the front of the car, and the remains
may have gotten so foul that they were placed into
the car and then the car removed down the road
and left abandoned on the side of the road. So
I don't know that we can actually say that her
remains had been in there for the entire time.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Okay, hold on, I'm going to circle back to you
on that. Joe Scott, Israel Salas Rodriguez Israel, was the
tesla moved a couple of times when it was sitting
out on the street.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
That's unclear right now, Dan However, there was of reports
from neighbors that the Tesla was parked in a home
in that same area in the Hollywood Hills, and then
days later it was parked on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And if some reports were staying the car was moved
from one spot to the next, I can't confirm that
right now. But Joe Scott, let me ask you a question.
You know, Joe Scott, you're the death investigator. I'm just
a trial lawyer. But before I let you get up
on the stand and blurt that out, do you have
any reason, any scintilla spec of evidence to suggest Celeste's
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body was somewhere else decomposing and then moved to the
trunk or is this your theory?
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Well? I do know this, and yeah, it's my theory
and I'll stand by it. I know that if normal
people were around decomposing bodies and they not used to
being around them, as the body gets more and more progressively,
foul want to put as much distance between themselves and
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the remains. So I think that that may have been
what had happened here.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And wouldn't you agree straight out? To a veteran trial lawyer,
Joanna Nevis, She is a premier criminal defense attorney and
founder of the Nevis Law Firm. Joanna, I know you
don't want to hear this in your capacity as a
defense lawyer, but somebody was moving that car from place
(06:28):
to place, which goes to intent.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
If there's a car, a beat up car, sitting right
in front of somebody's house and it sits there for
two weeks, they're going to call about it, But if
it moves around, it's less likely to get called in.
I'm talking about intent to hide the little girl's dead body, Joanna.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Yeah, Nancy, I don't disagree with you from the perspective
of whoever was driving that vehicle and moving in around
may have had an intent. But was my client the
person that was moving in around or does my client
have an alibi for where they may have been all
of them each time that that car was moving with
that foul smelling body in it, So just because it
(07:11):
was moving, to not put it with the person that
I may be defending at the time.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Okay, that's a good point. I'm glad you told me that.
Now I'm going to try to find a way to
shoot down that theory. Guys, let's start at the beginning.
We've gotten ahead of ourselves.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
Listen, Residents in Hollywood Hills grow tired of a dusty
twenty twenty three Tesla model why where the Texas play
parked on the street for a month and report the vehicle.
Days later, employees of Hollywood Toe notice a foul odor
coming from the car and call police. Officers discover a
decomposing body found in a bag in the front of
the tesla. The tesla is registered in Hempstead, Texas. Okay,
(07:46):
that's another red flag here.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
We are in Hollywood Hills with all the rich people
and they notice a dusty, dirty tesla with a fronk.
As Jesscott Morgan pointed out, the trunk is in the front,
a little bit dinged up, and it goes from place
to place to place within the Hollywood Hills area. You know,
then it gets towd. Nobody comes to claim it. Gee,
(08:12):
I wonder why. I think I know why. Listen.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Human remains wrapped in plastic, placed in a bag and
hidden in the front trunk of the tesla are severely
decomposed and partially dismembered. Please say the person was a
female five foot two weighing seventy one pounds with wavy
black hair, and was wearing a tube top in black leggings.
The person appears deceased inside the vehicle for an extended
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period of time before being found.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Straight out to renowned psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall, joining us
from this jurisdiction. She is the author of deal Breakers.
You can see her now on Peacock and you can
find her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Dr Bethany, can
I talk to you about this little girl? Okay? She
(08:58):
first goes missing from her home when she is just
turned thirteen. She comes back, she's reported missing, she's found,
she's brought back, everything's fine. Then she disappears again and
she's not a reported missing. Let that just sink in.
I want you to marinate that just a moment, Doctor
(09:20):
Bethany Marshall. What I want to talk to you about
is the mind of a killer that would take a
seventy one pound little teen girl and dismember her, put
her in a plastic bag like she's trash, and put
her in the hot trunk of a car. You know
(09:42):
how hot it gets in California at this time of year. Now,
back time, she's been in that trunk for weeks, and
the person knows it, and they move the car from
spot to spot so it's not detected. I mean, come on,
I'm calling all ring cams right now. Who moved that tesla?
(10:04):
But the mind it would take to murder a little
girl seventy one pounds. She was last saying wearing Hello,
Kitty sandals, okay, and put her in a trunk and
leave her there.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Help me out, Bethany, Nancy, I have two words coercive control.
Whoever did this had had control over a miner sufficiently
so that her family was unable to find her. What
thirteen year old does not want to be home with
their parents unless they're being groomed and brainwashed by somebody
(10:43):
who has, as we can see from.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
The evidence, intent to kill.
Speaker 8 (10:47):
In terms of the mind of this killer, this killer
didn't prepare a dump sight for the body, which I
find extremely interesting, meaning that they thought about killing the victim,
they didn't think about what they were going to do
with her afterwards. My Beverly Hills office is very close.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
To the Hollywood Hills.
Speaker 8 (11:06):
And let me tell you, Nancy, you do not leave
a car out on the street in the Beverly Hills.
In Beverly Hills, junk cars are not sitting around. Dirty
cars are not sitting around. Dirty cars are not driven.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Through the streets.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
So the fact that this perp left the car there
not thinking that somebody would notice this is somebody who
doesn't feel he or she is going to get in trouble,
doesn't have a conscience, feels that this girl belonged to him,
that he was going to get away with this. And
I'm going to guess sex aggression and homicide are linked together,
(11:42):
that whoever did this had a sexual relationship with this
young woman, perhaps a pedophile or as we saw in
the case with R. Kelly, that he wants to collect
young women with whom he can have control and then
as they age out, he needs to get rid of them.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I just don't know how you connect murder and dismemberment
and putting her in a bag to roast in a
hot car with sex. Okay, that's your world, notine. I
am trying to find out who did this, prove it
(12:19):
and get a conviction. That's what I want to see.
There's somebody who say many cans of worms here. Why
wasn't she reported missing? The second time. Just what, I'm sorry?
Speaker 8 (12:28):
What somebody who takes control of a thirteen year old,
removes her from her family is going to have a
fixed sexual interest in children and girls, and particularly children
that they feel they can have control over.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You know what, She's got a good point too, Joanna Nevis,
who is a veteran criminal defense attorney founded the Nevis
Law Firm. Joanna, she's got a point. Now. You dodged.
You know what, did you play dodgeball in college, Joanna?
Because you're really adroit at this. You dodged my first one,
my first torpedo to the defense here. It was a
(13:03):
pretty good dodge too. But could you tell me any reason,
Joanna Nevis, then an adult would have a child, whatever reason?
Speaker 6 (13:13):
What?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
He wanted to foster her. He wanted to expand her horizons,
help her get her grad degree, give her piano lessons.
What help me out here? Why else? If it wasn't
for sex, would you keep a thirteen year old girl?
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Yeah? Nancy, I think that we're talking about two different situations, right.
Do we have the same person the same set of circumstances.
Are we talking about an inappropriate relationship with a child,
or are we talking about dismemberment and murder. If somebody
is culpable for one thing, it does not necessarily mean
that there is direct evidence and proof that they are
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culpable for the next. And so I think we can't
conflate those issues without more and definitely the profit fusion
and law enforcement as they're investigating it, are going to
have to take the time to explore all of the
facts and supporting evidence to tie an inappropriate relationship with
an actual homicide.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Johanna Nevis, it's amazing. Okay, forget the dodgeball question. You
know the snake charmer. As the cobra goes back and forth,
you start going back and forth and suddenly you're in
sync with the snake. Yeah, I'm not in sync with you,
because it's very hard for me to parse, g Did
(14:33):
the pedophile kill her or did the pedophile use her
sexually and then somebody else snuck it in the night
and murdered her. Okay, that's a fun thing for Joanna
Nevis and I to discuss. But in the meantime, listen
to this.
Speaker 9 (14:49):
It's a little weird to see a car that I
haven't seen here for a long time had a big
dent on.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It had a Texas plate on it, so all a
little odd.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
One neighbor says, the distinct looking Tesla was parked on
this for some time in front of the house that
was searched, and later in two other.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Spots on the street.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
The vehicle stood out because it has a Texas plate
and a big dent.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
From my friends at WABC seven to Dave Mack joining
me Crime Stories investigative reporter, isn't it true, Dave, that
she was so decomposed she had to be forensically identified?
Isn't that true?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Absolutely correct?
Speaker 9 (15:28):
Nancy?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Okay again, jo just gott Morgan, I'm just a felony prosecutor.
Could you explain what that means. I mean, I'm guessing
that means that they didn't open the trunk and look
at her and go, that's the little missing girl celested.
She had to be forensically identified.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Yeah, to give you to kind of frame this out
a little bit, Nancy, her Celeste measurements her weight specifically
in life you ready for this was one hundred and
twenty pounds. The remains that they have are somewhere in
the neighborhood of seventy So, no, they could not have
been able to actually visualize her and say, yeah, this
(16:08):
is Celesti, this is who we've been looking for. No,
they're going to go at this. I do understand that
she has specific tattoos and they were able to use that.
I can only assume her family's involved in that place.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Okay, specifically one tattoo, a tiny tattoo on the inside
of her finger. It says sh sh and you could
only see it if that finger was held up there
it is, there's a sh. Now. I just saw another
tattoo and I'd like to see it again. That was
(16:42):
the other tattoo on her finger, so mom and Dad
couldn't see her tattoos. David, Wow, David, David the musician,
and it's on her ring finger. Hello, David the musician,
and it's on a ring affair. But you know what's interesting?
(17:04):
Can see Joe Scott please the tattoo? What a co ink?
You think that he David? Some people look at his
name and it looks like D four VD and he
pronounces it David. He has the same tattoo on his
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index finger. What a coincidence? Isn't that odd? Joe Scott Morgan?
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, what else is odd?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Is that a child?
Speaker 5 (17:34):
A child this age has tattoos, all right, So just
let that sink in just for a second. The fact
that she does have this tattoo, though, was certainly beneficial
as far as getting her remains identified. And listen, you
can't just go based upon the tattoo. There are other
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elements here.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
We have something that Scott. We were just showing her
with the ring on her ring finger and that's on
her left hand. This when she goes missing. She's thirteen
years old. Listen to this.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
The thirteen year old became friends with singer David on
social media and ran away to Hollywood to see the
rising star. Celestia was returned home to Lake elson Or
by police. Celestie remained in school for a month. Then
in May, David picks Celeste up in a tesla to
go to the movies and she has been gone ever since.
Speaker 10 (18:28):
How long you go with this?
Speaker 11 (18:30):
I'd I just found out yesterday who it was, but
she's been missing since.
Speaker 12 (18:34):
I taught her.
Speaker 10 (18:34):
So when I taught her, she met this dude on
social media. He was a rapper in La, became a
gun her. She ran away from home. She was gone
for like a month. The cops founder in Hollywood brought
her back to our school. She came back to our school,
kind of told people this story.
Speaker 11 (18:50):
She disappeared again in May of that year.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
They have playing.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Twenty four that is from at uzer dot Lol. Nine
to five.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
One young girl from Los Angeles started dating an older
boy in the music industry that she met online. They
would occasionally be seen together on his Twitch and Instagram.
Over the next few years, his fame grew and he
desperately tried to hide their relationship from the public eye.
But one night, so Less vanished from her home and
her parents grew worried.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So she disappears at age thirteen. Family reports her missing,
Police find her bring her back. Then David aka D
four VD. That's what it looks like. Picture up to
take her to a movie and she's never seen again.
Last scene wearing gray pants, black sweater and Hello Kitty sandals. Okay,
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learning more from an unidentified teacher.
Speaker 11 (19:50):
Listen, hold up, that's heard in my classroo at all
in front of this poster here. Okay, hold up another one,
because I got a picture on TMZ of this other
kid exchanging stuff with the rapper who we allegedly did
this stuff one out a second because he's also in
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my classroom.
Speaker 10 (20:14):
That's when her friends told me what happened, and it
was this rapper that they were.
Speaker 11 (20:17):
Like blackmailing him all of this stuff.
Speaker 10 (20:20):
And then I found out yesterday that she's now dead
in that rapper's car, cut into pieces.
Speaker 11 (20:27):
You want to know how they met? I feel like
I just said it social media.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
This is from at user dot l nine five one
on TikTok. The point I believe that teacher was making
was a good point. He was telling the class that
these two met on social media. Crime stories with Nancy
Grace if she'll saw Us Rodriguez joining US senior news
(20:58):
reporter Us Son. I don't know I would call it
dating because when a girl is thirteen, she's underage. So
I don't know that I would call it dating. That's right,
Ann See.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
So let's Reeves was thirteen years old when she reportedly
met this singer named David. It's unclear how they met
all that. It's all that's being reported that they met online.
It's even unclear she attended high school. She was reportedly
a student at Lakeland Village Middle School and Lake Elsinore.
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She was described as a runaway eighteen who left her
parents home in the past but would eventually return, and
up until May twenty twenty four, she ran away again Israel,
but this time.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
She would not return.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
You know what you really are something Israel. She's described
as a runaway teen. Okay, so what she's disposable? A
runaway teen? What else about her? Did she sing in
the church choir? Did she crochet? Was she in four ah?
(22:03):
Did she love? Was she a homebody? Did she love music?
But all I'm getting is she was a runaway teen.
You know what, mosses Castillo, He's just repeating what he
has learned from his sources. Okay, it's not Israel sala
Frodriguez fault. That's the way this girl has been portrayed,
This girl who first goes missing at age thirteen and
(22:27):
ends up with a multi platinum singer much older than her.
Let me see that lunch meet video again. Who posts
a TikTok where there? Me? If I see her talk
with other dudes? What a coincidence? That's from at Brian
(22:49):
on TikTok? But he is reposting something that David the
musician posted originally. Me if I see her talk with
other dudes. And the only way she's described in the
media is a runaway teen like okay, translation, don't care.
(23:12):
I care, And I think every other parent cares that
has a teen girl. It's at thirteen. She could be
in the seventh grade for all I know. It's just
an Absolutely the way she's described is it's not right.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
And see lude acophone a child comes to mind.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
You mentioned the word sectary, right, No, it's lude acapona
child here in California, and anybody under the age of
fourteen is a child. And this is horrible, horrible, And
that's the attitude that law enforcement has nowadays.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Well, they're just incorrigible.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Runaway teens and so that's why they just don't even
pay attention to them until now they find them dead.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You know, I'm just I'm sick about it. The way
that she is described as expendable. My little girl, Lucy
weighs about ninety pounds. She's said there would be hell
to pay if she went missing, God forbid, because I
would die. And people just describe her as a runaway
(24:10):
teen like, yeah, no problem. She's in a car trunk, dead,
dismembered in a plastic bag decomposing. But she was just
a runaway. Okay, we know a lot about her, But
what do we know about this guy who is not
charged with anything at this juncture? And I guess you
put it together that this car, this Tesla from Texas
(24:35):
is registered to him, the music star, the millionaire. There
it is in the impound lot. Our friends at ABC
seven got this for us. Who is he?
Speaker 7 (24:45):
The twenty year old became a YouTube star, playing his
favorite game, Fortnite and commentary. His channel was defunded due
to his use of popular music he used on his
videos that he did not license. He says his mother
told him to make his own music for his video.
He downloaded a free music app for his phone, and
his music career was born. Using his own music in
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his gaming montages, Burke begins uploading his tracks to SoundCloud.
His music gains more attention than his gaming montages. Self
produced song Romantic Homicide goes viral, leading to a record deal.
Romantic Homicide is certified multi platinum.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Has anybody actually looked at the lyrics a romantic homicide?
Let's put it up on the screen so we can
all take a look. Okay, we definitely need to shrink
on this. In the back of my mind, I killed
you and I didn't even regret it. I can't believe
I said it, but it's true. Do I love you?
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Know?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I hate you in the back of my mind. You
died and I didn't even cry. No, not a single tear.
And I'm sick of waiting patiently for someone that won't
even arrive. Okay, don to methany, what does the term
Freudian slip mean?
Speaker 8 (25:57):
This was not a crime of passion, but the idea
that he says in the lyrics you didn't arrive. There
is an implied accusation that she hasn't shown up for him.
The thirteen year old little girl who ran away from
home was lost for a year shows up in all
these social media posts. Her whole appearance changes. She's wearing
(26:22):
kind of a scarf on her head.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
That mimics his.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
She's starting to get.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
The Cassie Ventura look.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
One of the images you showed she has, yes, that
one beautiful long lashes, a diamond ring. The fact that
she has, you know, the shhh tattooed. No adult should
tell a thirteen year old to keep a secret. That's
just inappropriate. So these lyrics. It tells me that I'm
(26:48):
going to put this along the side the fact that
she disappeared for a year from her family, which tells
me that he had increasing control over her.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
This little girl disappear for the first time when she
is just thirteen years old, after she goes to meet
musician who has gone multi platinum and they start talking online.
She goes to a concert, somehow hooks up with him
and they start talking online. That's the working theory. He's
not charged with anything, and I'm very curious about that decision.
(27:23):
Let's hear it all from the horse's mouth.
Speaker 13 (27:25):
Hello, my name is David pronounced David, not d four VD.
I'm from Queens, New York. I'm in Houston now. I
am a gamer. I love video games. I want to
be a professional gamer before music, That's actually what pushed
me into music was getting copyright strikes on YouTube and
I kind of just use my own music at my
mom's houzes after my mom told me to. I was
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crying to her about it.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
That from Genius YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Another year past, and the teen was still missing. Neighbors
reported a foul odor coming from an abandoned vehicle. Police
arrive on scene, only to be met with a horrific
discovery that would shock the Los Angeles community.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
A lot of you may not be familiar with his music.
It's not wrap, it's more like R and B. I've
listened to a lot of it, specifically Romantic Homicide. He's
also ventured into clothing. I'd like you to see some
of the shirts that he David has offered online for sale.
(28:27):
Oh wait, hold on, wait, are those blood spattered shirts?
It looks like is it in a car? I don't
know where it is, but that's him with blood spattered shirts.
To Joanna Nevis, veteran criminal defense attorney, Joanna, you are
(28:48):
fully versed in guilty conscience. Sometimes the cleanup is worse
than the crime, the cover up, so to speak. Why
would he suddenly remove shots of him with bloody T shirts?
It looks like it said, even in a car. Why
why would he do that suddenly, you, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
So many people, especially celebrities, are represented by what we
say like public relations representatives who will advise them to
do certain things so that they kind of attack things
before the damage happened. And you know, this is somebody
who was in the spotlight. He's already being attacked about
(29:28):
his lyrics. He's already being painted as the person who
is you know, likely responsible for this because he had
a relationship with this person, and he is likely being
told that he should take these images down. Although these
images are a part of his overall brand, we're talking
about creative expression. This person has a movie gothic brand,
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but his lyrics are artistic expression. It's not necessarily a concession.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
And him, I can't wait. I can't wait for you
to try that on the jury. This was his artistic expression.
And you know another thing I've noticed to Moses Castillo
joining us private investigator with the Ordulian Law Group, Moses,
have you noticed in nearly every photo of the star
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known as David with little girl Celeste, he has recovering
her face. Have you noticed that? Yes, that's what you know.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
As an investigator, I would definitely want to talk to
you about all these lyrics and all these things that
came before her body was discovered.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I would argue he's having her cover her face because
she's under age. What more do we know about this guy?
Speaker 7 (30:36):
Erck has released several singles, including Here with Me. They
charted on the Billboard Hot One hundred. He has recorded
two EPs and last April released his first full album, Withered,
with the Withered world tours starting last month and canceled
the day the body in his Tesla was identified as
celast Is Deluxe album is shelved. His record label Interscope
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suspended the album release and pause all promotional activities related
to David. His endorsement deals are canceled. Crime Stories with
Nancy Grace, what do I have this correct?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
To Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter that after Celeste
Butcher remains are found in his tesla trunk, he continues
touring for several weeks until the outcry online it becomes
too noisy to ignore.
Speaker 9 (31:40):
Unbelievable, Nancy, that bloody remains are found in a vehicle
registered to you, Yet you continue on this world tour
like nothing was found in your car, and only stop
when the remains are identified as.
Speaker 12 (31:59):
A missing child from Lake Elsinor He went on about
his daily business after a bloody, chopped up, decomposed course
was found in his abandoned guard. Nancy, think about all
of this and it goes beyond the pale of what
any human being.
Speaker 9 (32:19):
Ever would do to another human being you.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Know, Dave Matt Apparently you and I are the only
ones concerned because as of this moment when we go
to air tonight, there have been no charges at all. Okay,
he's in a relationship with her, she's a runaway times two.
She's been gone over a year with him. I bet
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if we timed those photos would find out how long
she's been with him, and now she's dead. It can
only be talked by one thing to Israel South Rodriguez
joining us us son. Isn't it true that there are
pregnant see allegations is real? That's right, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
There are rumors and unconfirmed reports online that claims so
Less was apparently pregnant at the time of her death.
David Rowe, in the common section of one of his
discord live streams, quote me and at the leader user
got a kid on the way again. These reports are
unconfirmed by Los Angeles investigators who have kept the details
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of the case close to the chest.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Just Scott Morgan, help me out. You're the death investigator.
You're the one that has handled literally thousands of death
investigations with her body thirteen when she goes missing, thirteen
and we're talking about her partially dismembered body in a
bag in his tesla. Okay, how do we figure out
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if she was pregnant?
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Oh? Yeah, Well that's the key, isn't it? And if
they can if and again, Nancy, this is a big if,
because I keep hearing these snatches of information about how
badly she was decomposed. If they can get into a
reproductive system and appreciate the interior of her uterus, there's
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going to be clues there relative to either a current
pregnancy or if she had given birth at some point
in time. Remember, she's been in hiding for some time.
I think my question would be, was there anything in
the house that gave us an indication that there may
have been some evidence relative to this? How long had
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she survived? Is there any evidence that there might be
a child somewhere out there? And all of this is
going to be compromised.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
What can you tell me about infant remains?
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Yeah, there's a report that is out there, and again
we haven't been able to validate this yet, but there
is actually a report that there will remains found in
the Hollywood Hills area and that they were an infant.
So if that is true, Nancy, If that is true,
and if the La County corner has those remains, which
(35:12):
is where they would have wound up, guess what we've
got here. We have got a source for DNA information.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
You know another thing, Jo Scott Morgan. Two ideas. One
DNA comparison between the infants remains that were reportedly found
in the area and whoever got rid of her body.
Ain't that smart? Because no, it's connected geographically to David's place.
He lives in Hollywood Hills. Isn't that right? Israel? He
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lives in Hollywood, Hollywood Hills, and this car is found
in Hollywood Hills.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Yes, Nancy, there's a course that David actually rented a
home in the Hollywood Hills area at one point.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Maybe whoever discarded her body did think to like part
the car a few streets over. That said, Joe Scott,
what I'm saying is when you don't know a horse,
look at his track record. If the body was hidden
just really stretching it near his home, then if infant
(36:15):
remains are found near the vehicle, that would mean they
were also near his home. That said, Two ideas. One
DNA comparison between the infant remains, if they exist and
her remains to find out if she's the mother. Even
if the body's decomposed, we can still get some sort
of a DNA match for Pet's sake. If you can
(36:37):
crack cold cases fifty years old with DNA, certainly we
can get DNA from her. And also, Scott, what about
her hormones, her pregnancy hormones. Would they be able to
be discerned even though her body had been perhaps shot.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Yeah, that's going to be a long shot, Nancy, given
the advance state of decomposition. If what they're saying, And
remember what you said earlier about La our friends out
in LA during this time period when her remains, when
this tessel was found, they were experiencing an incredibly oppressive
heat wave during this period of time. And I don't
want to go too over the top here, but let's
(37:18):
just say you talk about these remains inside of a
vehicle in LA during the summertime during a heat wave.
Heat speeds things up. And when I talk about speeds
things up, I'm talking about the degradation of the tissues.
They're going to be broken down to the point where
I don't know, and Nancy were still to this point,
(37:38):
there are rumors circling around. They're calling this, they're treating
this as a homicide. We still don't have a cause
of death with her, and the fact that they don't
have a cause of death yet gives us an indication
of the condition of the body. This is really hard
to parse through. But Nancy, I got another bombshell for
you here. Guess what. There's a silent witness to all
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of this, and that's that tesla. Remember back in Idaho
one of the things we were looking for when those
four kids were murdered up there. They were asking the
day after, were there any tesla's around? Were there any
teslas around?
Speaker 9 (38:12):
Well?
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Why why would they ask that? Because these teslas come
equipped with a century system. If you've paid for it,
this thing has got at least six cameras on the outside.
There's biometrics on the inside. Nancy, we're going to get
time stamps with this. We might even get a visual
idea of who was opening that frunk and putting this
poor girl's remains in it.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
An unreleased demo song titled Celeste Demo and Finn leaked online,
resurfaced after Celeste Reevas was found dead in a tesla
registered to the singer the Celeste demo. Some details have
led to public speculation matching tattoos. Both David and Celestreevas
had a tattoo on their right index fingers.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
In hindsight, the title Romantic Homicide may not have been
a good choice for the artist known as David. It
looks like DFOURVD. It's David. I've listened to a lot
of his work. It's pretty impressive. But when I know
(39:14):
a little girl has found butchered in his Tesla trun
not so much. Take a listen to David promoing his
song Romantic Homicide.
Speaker 13 (39:25):
So when inspired the hook in the back of my
mind you died, it's kind of like the storytelling aspect
of the lyrics that came before it in a way
that it builds up to the big moment where she
died in the back of my mind. I didn't kill
her physically. In the back of my mind, she died
and I didn't even cry, not a single tear.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
That is from the Genius YouTube channel. Interesting that he
continued to perform many many appearances after Celeste is found
in his trunk, much less from the time that she
was murdered. Now, okay, look at this livestream video of
(40:04):
David and Celeste. Oh yo, what wait wait, look at
answer that one?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
That so mean if you don't ask one.
Speaker 13 (40:13):
It was good big family experiment. Oh thank you, Mitch
Mitchell Kanzio.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Mass.
Speaker 13 (40:24):
Can we delete all vis and then as soon as
the stream ends the stream too.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
That's what our friends at the Daily Mail. Isn't it true?
Straight out to Israel Salath Rodriguez that when all of
this was unfolding, the star known as David asked for
certain videos to be deleted.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
That's right, Nancy. There's one that that clip you just
showed from. It appears to be a discord live stream
where he is pictured alongside this young girl wearing a
hoodie and thick glasses, and he appears to tell the
live stream can this video be deleted?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Guys? I want to look at these Celeste lyrics that
have just it's never been released, but it has leaked. Okay,
take a look at this. O Celeste, the girl with
my name tattooed on her chest, smell it on my
clothes like cigarettes. I hear her voice each time I
take a breath. I'm obsessed, Oh Celeste, afraid you'll only
(41:25):
love me when undressed, but you look so damn gorgeous
in that dress. Missing you so much makes me depressed,
but I digress, baby, Baby, I love you, so this
is what it's like to not need weed to get
me high. I love it when you hold me when
you cry, just because, just because be my Valentine, I
(41:49):
want to make Cupid Sue is sidle. These are the
kind of thoughts that cross my mind just because, just
because I love you so much, Darling, I'd love to
ease your mind, but you only open up when you
get high. If I had the money, I would buyas
time just to get by, just to stay high. Okay,
I don't have to be her renown psychoanalyst to figure
(42:10):
this out. Dr Bethany Marshall, I think I know why
he didn't release it because she's underage.
Speaker 8 (42:15):
Absolutely, which is perhaps one of the reasons he hides
her face in all of those photos. Or on the
other hand, she's gorgeous and he's afraid that other men
will be.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Attracted to her.
Speaker 8 (42:25):
I want to point out that homicide is the leading
cause of death amongst pregnant women, since we're talking about
her possibly being pregnant. But in terms of these lyrics
you only talk to me when you're high. It sounds
like an abuser trying to extract all these secrets from
an underage girl, and then when she's high, he finally
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feels like he has access to her innermost thoughts, the
idea that you only love me when.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
You're intimate with me.
Speaker 8 (42:56):
I don't have those lyrics in front of me right now.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
To me, this is a man.
Speaker 8 (42:59):
Who's stuck in rejection that no matter whether the victim
is living under his roof, adoring him, covering her face,
getting high with him, putting tattoos on her body, it
doesn't matter what she does. He's still stuck in a
state of rejection.
Speaker 7 (43:18):
Human remains, wrapped in plastic, placed in a bag and
hidden in the front trunk of the tesla are severely
decomposed and partially dismembered. Polisse The person was a female
five foot too weighing seventy one pounds, with wavy black hair,
and was wearing a tube top in black leggings. The
person appears deceased inside the vehicle for an extended period
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of time before being found.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Reminder no one has been charged in the disappearance and
then murder the dismemberment of this little girl, Celeste Celeste Rivus.
No one has been charged, no one has been named.
A person of interests me to ask why not. If
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you know or think you know anything about Celeste's disappearance,
please dial two one three four eight six six' eight
nine zero repeat two one three four eight six six
eight nine. Zero we remember An american, Hero Detective Mark,
(44:24):
Baker Northern York County Police, department shot in the line
of duty after twenty four years IN la law. Enforcement
leaves behind for grieving. Children american Hero Detective Mark. Baker
Nancy gray signing off good wise, man
Speaker 8 (45:01):
Assass
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a missing little girl celested
just thirteen years old, which he goes missing, found decomposing,
partially dismembered, and a star's tesla trunk who is now
(00:23):
whining because his tour is canceled. I means he Grace,
this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Us celest Hernandez, an eleven year old girl, full of
life but also young and naive. When given the chance
to chat with an older boy online, she engaged unknowingly
opening the door to a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
The music star I'm talking about has gone multi platinum.
But before I talk about all of his musical success
and how much money he's making and how famous he is,
can I show you what he just reposted? Okay of
a guy chopping up lunching me and he says me,
(01:07):
if I see her talk with other dudes, you know,
not a good look when you're then thirteen year old
girlfriend is found dismembered and decomposing in your tesla. And
as I recall to Israel Salas Rodriguez joining a senior
(01:28):
news reporter, US son not just dismembered and decomposing. I
mean you, by the way, that video is from at
Brian on TikTok. You could smell the trunk as you
approached the tesla. And isn't this true? Israel Salas Rodriguez
(01:50):
that the tesla was noticed by the neighborhood because it
was so dusty and it had been sitting there for
so long. My point is, how could somebody put a
then thirteen year old little girl in a trunk and
leave the car there for weeks on end? How long
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was that car sitting there, Israel.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
That's right, Nancy. So the car was reportedly sitting there
for weeks and an the fluent neighborhood in Los Angeles,
the Hollywood Hills neighbors complained about a foul order coming
from the tesla. However, it wasn't until early September when
authorities finally impounded that vehicle from the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
To most of Castillo joining us out of Orange County.
Private investigator for the Geordoulian Law Group, former supervisor detective
from LAPD and you can find him at Moses Castillo
Investigations dot com. Moses, you just heard Israel south Rodriguez
refer to Hollywood Hills as like you know a cushi
(02:51):
posh neighborhood. He's right, it is. Tell me about Hollywood
Hills and why anybody would notice a dusty tesla with
dents in it sitting there for a really long time.
Not these people, their cars are all like parked in
their five car garages. Nobody's leaving a junk car out
on the street in Hollywood Hills. Yeah, this is an
(03:12):
upscode neighborhood.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Who celebrities are there, you know, all the time, and
they cared for the cars and when they see something
that's out.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Of out of whack, especially the order.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I'm so surprised that the initial response didn't cause somebody
to open the trunk because they would have discovered the
body right there and there.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
You know, we're showing you the toe lot where it
ended up. That's the last thing you want is your
car ending up in a toe lot, you know. Joe
Scott Morgan joining me, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
of Blood Beneath My Feet, and he's a star of
a hit podcast series, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.
Joe Scott three weeks at least three weeks and the
(03:54):
same soccer moms and executive dads, you know, jog buy
and they're matching out this and go, wow, that Tessa's
been there a long time. What's that smell? Really? Three weeks?
What was going on in that trunk? Joe Scott, Well, what.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Was going on in the truck is advanced decomposition. And
let me throw this at you, Nancy. I don't know
that the body was always in the trunk. The body
may have been decomposing somewhere else placed in the trunk, which, hey,
I've gotten a little education now on these tesla's. They
actually refer to them as a fronk because the trunk
(04:33):
is on the front of the car, and the remains
may have gotten so foul that they were placed into
the car and then the car removed down the road
and left abandoned on the side of the road. So
I don't know that we can actually say that her
remains had been in there for the entire time.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Okay, hold on, I'm going to circle back to you
on that. Joe Scott, Israel Salas Rodriguez Israel, was the
tesla moved a couple of times when it was sitting
out on the street.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
That's unclear right now, Dan However, there was of reports
from neighbors that the Tesla was parked in a home
in that same area in the Hollywood Hills, and then
days later it was parked on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And if some reports were staying the car was moved
from one spot to the next, I can't confirm that
right now. But Joe Scott, let me ask you a question.
You know, Joe Scott, you're the death investigator. I'm just
a trial lawyer. But before I let you get up
on the stand and blurt that out, do you have
any reason, any scintilla spec of evidence to suggest Celeste's
(05:36):
body was somewhere else decomposing and then moved to the
trunk or is this your theory?
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Well? I do know this, and yeah, it's my theory
and I'll stand by it. I know that if normal
people were around decomposing bodies and they not used to
being around them, as the body gets more and more progressively,
foul want to put as much distance between themselves and
(06:03):
the remains. So I think that that may have been
what had happened here.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And wouldn't you agree straight out? To a veteran trial lawyer,
Joanna Nevis, She is a premier criminal defense attorney and
founder of the Nevis Law Firm. Joanna, I know you
don't want to hear this in your capacity as a
defense lawyer, but somebody was moving that car from place
(06:28):
to place, which goes to intent.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
If there's a car, a beat up car, sitting right
in front of somebody's house and it sits there for
two weeks, they're going to call about it, But if
it moves around, it's less likely to get called in.
I'm talking about intent to hide the little girl's dead body, Joanna.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Yeah, Nancy, I don't disagree with you from the perspective
of whoever was driving that vehicle and moving in around
may have had an intent. But was my client the
person that was moving in around or does my client
have an alibi for where they may have been all
of them each time that that car was moving with
that foul smelling body in it, So just because it
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was moving, to not put it with the person that
I may be defending at the time.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Okay, that's a good point. I'm glad you told me that.
Now I'm going to try to find a way to
shoot down that theory. Guys, let's start at the beginning.
We've gotten ahead of ourselves.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
Listen, Residents in Hollywood Hills grow tired of a dusty
twenty twenty three Tesla model why where the Texas play
parked on the street for a month and report the vehicle.
Days later, employees of Hollywood Toe notice a foul odor
coming from the car and call police. Officers discover a
decomposing body found in a bag in the front of
the tesla. The tesla is registered in Hempstead, Texas. Okay,
(07:46):
that's another red flag here.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
We are in Hollywood Hills with all the rich people
and they notice a dusty, dirty tesla with a fronk.
As Jesscott Morgan pointed out, the trunk is in the front,
a little bit dinged up, and it goes from place
to place to place within the Hollywood Hills area. You know,
then it gets towd. Nobody comes to claim it. Gee,
(08:12):
I wonder why. I think I know why. Listen.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Human remains wrapped in plastic, placed in a bag and
hidden in the front trunk of the tesla are severely
decomposed and partially dismembered. Please say the person was a
female five foot two weighing seventy one pounds with wavy
black hair, and was wearing a tube top in black leggings.
The person appears deceased inside the vehicle for an extended
(08:35):
period of time before being found.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Straight out to renowned psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall, joining us
from this jurisdiction. She is the author of deal Breakers.
You can see her now on Peacock and you can
find her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Dr Bethany, can
I talk to you about this little girl? Okay? She
(08:58):
first goes missing from her home when she is just
turned thirteen. She comes back, she's reported missing, she's found,
she's brought back, everything's fine. Then she disappears again and
she's not a reported missing. Let that just sink in.
I want you to marinate that just a moment, Doctor
(09:20):
Bethany Marshall. What I want to talk to you about
is the mind of a killer that would take a
seventy one pound little teen girl and dismember her, put
her in a plastic bag like she's trash, and put
her in the hot trunk of a car. You know
(09:42):
how hot it gets in California at this time of year. Now,
back time, she's been in that trunk for weeks, and
the person knows it, and they move the car from
spot to spot so it's not detected. I mean, come on,
I'm calling all ring cams right now. Who moved that tesla?
(10:04):
But the mind it would take to murder a little
girl seventy one pounds. She was last saying wearing Hello,
Kitty sandals, okay, and put her in a trunk and
leave her there.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Help me out, Bethany, Nancy, I have two words coercive control.
Whoever did this had had control over a miner sufficiently
so that her family was unable to find her. What
thirteen year old does not want to be home with
their parents unless they're being groomed and brainwashed by somebody
(10:43):
who has, as we can see from.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
The evidence, intent to kill.
Speaker 8 (10:47):
In terms of the mind of this killer, this killer
didn't prepare a dump sight for the body, which I
find extremely interesting, meaning that they thought about killing the victim,
they didn't think about what they were going to do
with her afterwards. My Beverly Hills office is very close.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
To the Hollywood Hills.
Speaker 8 (11:06):
And let me tell you, Nancy, you do not leave
a car out on the street in the Beverly Hills.
In Beverly Hills, junk cars are not sitting around. Dirty
cars are not sitting around. Dirty cars are not driven.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Through the streets.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
So the fact that this perp left the car there
not thinking that somebody would notice this is somebody who
doesn't feel he or she is going to get in trouble,
doesn't have a conscience, feels that this girl belonged to him,
that he was going to get away with this. And
I'm going to guess sex aggression and homicide are linked together,
(11:42):
that whoever did this had a sexual relationship with this
young woman, perhaps a pedophile or as we saw in
the case with R. Kelly, that he wants to collect
young women with whom he can have control and then
as they age out, he needs to get rid of them.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I just don't know how you connect murder and dismemberment
and putting her in a bag to roast in a
hot car with sex. Okay, that's your world, notine. I
am trying to find out who did this, prove it
(12:19):
and get a conviction. That's what I want to see.
There's somebody who say many cans of worms here. Why
wasn't she reported missing? The second time. Just what, I'm sorry?
Speaker 8 (12:28):
What somebody who takes control of a thirteen year old,
removes her from her family is going to have a
fixed sexual interest in children and girls, and particularly children
that they feel they can have control over.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
You know what, She's got a good point too, Joanna Nevis,
who is a veteran criminal defense attorney founded the Nevis
Law Firm. Joanna, she's got a point. Now. You dodged.
You know what, did you play dodgeball in college, Joanna?
Because you're really adroit at this. You dodged my first one,
my first torpedo to the defense here. It was a
(13:03):
pretty good dodge too. But could you tell me any reason,
Joanna Nevis, then an adult would have a child, whatever reason?
Speaker 6 (13:13):
What?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
He wanted to foster her. He wanted to expand her horizons,
help her get her grad degree, give her piano lessons.
What help me out here? Why else? If it wasn't
for sex, would you keep a thirteen year old girl?
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Yeah? Nancy, I think that we're talking about two different situations, right.
Do we have the same person the same set of circumstances.
Are we talking about an inappropriate relationship with a child,
or are we talking about dismemberment and murder. If somebody
is culpable for one thing, it does not necessarily mean
that there is direct evidence and proof that they are
(13:51):
culpable for the next. And so I think we can't
conflate those issues without more and definitely the profit fusion
and law enforcement as they're investigating it, are going to
have to take the time to explore all of the
facts and supporting evidence to tie an inappropriate relationship with
an actual homicide.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Johanna Nevis, it's amazing. Okay, forget the dodgeball question. You
know the snake charmer. As the cobra goes back and forth,
you start going back and forth and suddenly you're in
sync with the snake. Yeah, I'm not in sync with you,
because it's very hard for me to parse, g Did
(14:33):
the pedophile kill her or did the pedophile use her
sexually and then somebody else snuck it in the night
and murdered her. Okay, that's a fun thing for Joanna
Nevis and I to discuss. But in the meantime, listen
to this.
Speaker 9 (14:49):
It's a little weird to see a car that I
haven't seen here for a long time had a big
dent on.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It had a Texas plate on it, so all a
little odd.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
One neighbor says, the distinct looking Tesla was parked on
this for some time in front of the house that
was searched, and later in two other.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Spots on the street.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
The vehicle stood out because it has a Texas plate
and a big dent.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
From my friends at WABC seven to Dave Mack joining
me Crime Stories investigative reporter, isn't it true, Dave, that
she was so decomposed she had to be forensically identified?
Isn't that true?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Absolutely correct?
Speaker 9 (15:28):
Nancy?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Okay again, jo just gott Morgan, I'm just a felony prosecutor.
Could you explain what that means. I mean, I'm guessing
that means that they didn't open the trunk and look
at her and go, that's the little missing girl celested.
She had to be forensically identified.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Yeah, to give you to kind of frame this out
a little bit, Nancy, her Celeste measurements her weight specifically
in life you ready for this was one hundred and
twenty pounds. The remains that they have are somewhere in
the neighborhood of seventy So, no, they could not have
been able to actually visualize her and say, yeah, this
(16:08):
is Celesti, this is who we've been looking for. No,
they're going to go at this. I do understand that
she has specific tattoos and they were able to use that.
I can only assume her family's involved in that place.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Okay, specifically one tattoo, a tiny tattoo on the inside
of her finger. It says sh sh and you could
only see it if that finger was held up there
it is, there's a sh. Now. I just saw another
tattoo and I'd like to see it again. That was
(16:42):
the other tattoo on her finger, so mom and Dad
couldn't see her tattoos. David, Wow, David, David the musician,
and it's on her ring finger. Hello, David the musician,
and it's on a ring affair. But you know what's interesting?
(17:04):
Can see Joe Scott please the tattoo? What a co ink?
You think that he David? Some people look at his
name and it looks like D four VD and he
pronounces it David. He has the same tattoo on his
(17:27):
index finger. What a coincidence? Isn't that odd? Joe Scott Morgan?
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Yeah, what else is odd?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Is that a child?
Speaker 5 (17:34):
A child this age has tattoos, all right, So just
let that sink in just for a second. The fact
that she does have this tattoo, though, was certainly beneficial
as far as getting her remains identified. And listen, you
can't just go based upon the tattoo. There are other
(17:54):
elements here.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
We have something that Scott. We were just showing her
with the ring on her ring finger and that's on
her left hand. This when she goes missing. She's thirteen
years old. Listen to this.
Speaker 7 (18:10):
The thirteen year old became friends with singer David on
social media and ran away to Hollywood to see the
rising star. Celestia was returned home to Lake elson Or
by police. Celestie remained in school for a month. Then
in May, David picks Celeste up in a tesla to
go to the movies and she has been gone ever since.
Speaker 10 (18:28):
How long you go with this?
Speaker 11 (18:30):
I'd I just found out yesterday who it was, but
she's been missing since.
Speaker 12 (18:34):
I taught her.
Speaker 10 (18:34):
So when I taught her, she met this dude on
social media. He was a rapper in La, became a
gun her. She ran away from home. She was gone
for like a month. The cops founder in Hollywood brought
her back to our school. She came back to our school,
kind of told people this story.
Speaker 11 (18:50):
She disappeared again in May of that year.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
They have playing.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Twenty four that is from at uzer dot Lol. Nine
to five.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
One young girl from Los Angeles started dating an older
boy in the music industry that she met online. They
would occasionally be seen together on his Twitch and Instagram.
Over the next few years, his fame grew and he
desperately tried to hide their relationship from the public eye.
But one night, so Less vanished from her home and
her parents grew worried.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So she disappears at age thirteen. Family reports her missing,
Police find her bring her back. Then David aka D
four VD. That's what it looks like. Picture up to
take her to a movie and she's never seen again.
Last scene wearing gray pants, black sweater and Hello Kitty sandals. Okay,
(19:45):
learning more from an unidentified teacher.
Speaker 11 (19:50):
Listen, hold up, that's heard in my classroo at all
in front of this poster here. Okay, hold up another one,
because I got a picture on TMZ of this other
kid exchanging stuff with the rapper who we allegedly did
this stuff one out a second because he's also in
(20:13):
my classroom.
Speaker 10 (20:14):
That's when her friends told me what happened, and it
was this rapper that they were.
Speaker 11 (20:17):
Like blackmailing him all of this stuff.
Speaker 10 (20:20):
And then I found out yesterday that she's now dead
in that rapper's car, cut into pieces.
Speaker 11 (20:27):
You want to know how they met? I feel like
I just said it social media.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
This is from at user dot l nine five one
on TikTok. The point I believe that teacher was making
was a good point. He was telling the class that
these two met on social media. Crime stories with Nancy
Grace if she'll saw Us Rodriguez joining US senior news
(20:58):
reporter Us Son. I don't know I would call it
dating because when a girl is thirteen, she's underage. So
I don't know that I would call it dating. That's right,
Ann See.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
So let's Reeves was thirteen years old when she reportedly
met this singer named David. It's unclear how they met
all that. It's all that's being reported that they met online.
It's even unclear she attended high school. She was reportedly
a student at Lakeland Village Middle School and Lake Elsinore.
(21:30):
She was described as a runaway eighteen who left her
parents home in the past but would eventually return, and
up until May twenty twenty four, she ran away again Israel,
but this time.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
She would not return.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
You know what you really are something Israel. She's described
as a runaway teen. Okay, so what she's disposable? A
runaway teen? What else about her? Did she sing in
the church choir? Did she crochet? Was she in four ah?
(22:03):
Did she love? Was she a homebody? Did she love music?
But all I'm getting is she was a runaway teen.
You know what, mosses Castillo, He's just repeating what he
has learned from his sources. Okay, it's not Israel sala
Frodriguez fault. That's the way this girl has been portrayed,
This girl who first goes missing at age thirteen and
(22:27):
ends up with a multi platinum singer much older than her.
Let me see that lunch meet video again. Who posts
a TikTok where there? Me? If I see her talk
with other dudes? What a coincidence? That's from at Brian
(22:49):
on TikTok? But he is reposting something that David the
musician posted originally. Me if I see her talk with
other dudes. And the only way she's described in the
media is a runaway teen like okay, translation, don't care.
(23:12):
I care, And I think every other parent cares that
has a teen girl. It's at thirteen. She could be
in the seventh grade for all I know. It's just
an Absolutely the way she's described is it's not right.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
And see lude acophone a child comes to mind.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
You mentioned the word sectary, right, No, it's lude acapona
child here in California, and anybody under the age of
fourteen is a child. And this is horrible, horrible, And
that's the attitude that law enforcement has nowadays.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Well, they're just incorrigible.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Runaway teens and so that's why they just don't even
pay attention to them until now they find them dead.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You know, I'm just I'm sick about it. The way
that she is described as expendable. My little girl, Lucy
weighs about ninety pounds. She's said there would be hell
to pay if she went missing, God forbid, because I
would die. And people just describe her as a runaway
(24:10):
teen like, yeah, no problem. She's in a car trunk, dead,
dismembered in a plastic bag decomposing. But she was just
a runaway. Okay, we know a lot about her, But
what do we know about this guy who is not
charged with anything at this juncture? And I guess you
put it together that this car, this Tesla from Texas
(24:35):
is registered to him, the music star, the millionaire. There
it is in the impound lot. Our friends at ABC
seven got this for us. Who is he?
Speaker 7 (24:45):
The twenty year old became a YouTube star, playing his
favorite game, Fortnite and commentary. His channel was defunded due
to his use of popular music he used on his
videos that he did not license. He says his mother
told him to make his own music for his video.
He downloaded a free music app for his phone, and
his music career was born. Using his own music in
(25:05):
his gaming montages, Burke begins uploading his tracks to SoundCloud.
His music gains more attention than his gaming montages. Self
produced song Romantic Homicide goes viral, leading to a record deal.
Romantic Homicide is certified multi platinum.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Has anybody actually looked at the lyrics a romantic homicide?
Let's put it up on the screen so we can
all take a look. Okay, we definitely need to shrink
on this. In the back of my mind, I killed
you and I didn't even regret it. I can't believe
I said it, but it's true. Do I love you?
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Know?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I hate you in the back of my mind. You
died and I didn't even cry. No, not a single tear.
And I'm sick of waiting patiently for someone that won't
even arrive. Okay, don to methany, what does the term
Freudian slip mean?
Speaker 8 (25:57):
This was not a crime of passion, but the idea
that he says in the lyrics you didn't arrive. There
is an implied accusation that she hasn't shown up for him.
The thirteen year old little girl who ran away from
home was lost for a year shows up in all
these social media posts. Her whole appearance changes. She's wearing
(26:22):
kind of a scarf on her head.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
That mimics his.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
She's starting to get.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
The Cassie Ventura look.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
One of the images you showed she has, yes, that
one beautiful long lashes, a diamond ring. The fact that
she has, you know, the shhh tattooed. No adult should
tell a thirteen year old to keep a secret. That's
just inappropriate. So these lyrics. It tells me that I'm
(26:48):
going to put this along the side the fact that
she disappeared for a year from her family, which tells
me that he had increasing control over her.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
This little girl disappear for the first time when she
is just thirteen years old, after she goes to meet
musician who has gone multi platinum and they start talking online.
She goes to a concert, somehow hooks up with him
and they start talking online. That's the working theory. He's
not charged with anything, and I'm very curious about that decision.
(27:23):
Let's hear it all from the horse's mouth.
Speaker 13 (27:25):
Hello, my name is David pronounced David, not d four VD.
I'm from Queens, New York. I'm in Houston now. I
am a gamer. I love video games. I want to
be a professional gamer before music, That's actually what pushed
me into music was getting copyright strikes on YouTube and
I kind of just use my own music at my
mom's houzes after my mom told me to. I was
(27:47):
crying to her about it.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
That from Genius YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Another year past, and the teen was still missing. Neighbors
reported a foul odor coming from an abandoned vehicle. Police
arrive on scene, only to be met with a horrific
discovery that would shock the Los Angeles community.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
A lot of you may not be familiar with his music.
It's not wrap, it's more like R and B. I've
listened to a lot of it, specifically Romantic Homicide. He's
also ventured into clothing. I'd like you to see some
of the shirts that he David has offered online for sale.
(28:27):
Oh wait, hold on, wait, are those blood spattered shirts?
It looks like is it in a car? I don't
know where it is, but that's him with blood spattered shirts.
To Joanna Nevis, veteran criminal defense attorney, Joanna, you are
(28:48):
fully versed in guilty conscience. Sometimes the cleanup is worse
than the crime, the cover up, so to speak. Why
would he suddenly remove shots of him with bloody T shirts?
It looks like it said, even in a car. Why
why would he do that suddenly, you, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
So many people, especially celebrities, are represented by what we
say like public relations representatives who will advise them to
do certain things so that they kind of attack things
before the damage happened. And you know, this is somebody
who was in the spotlight. He's already being attacked about
(29:28):
his lyrics. He's already being painted as the person who
is you know, likely responsible for this because he had
a relationship with this person, and he is likely being
told that he should take these images down. Although these
images are a part of his overall brand, we're talking
about creative expression. This person has a movie gothic brand,
(29:49):
but his lyrics are artistic expression. It's not necessarily a concession.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
And him, I can't wait. I can't wait for you
to try that on the jury. This was his artistic expression.
And you know another thing I've noticed to Moses Castillo
joining us private investigator with the Ordulian Law Group, Moses,
have you noticed in nearly every photo of the star
(30:16):
known as David with little girl Celeste, he has recovering
her face. Have you noticed that? Yes, that's what you know.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
As an investigator, I would definitely want to talk to
you about all these lyrics and all these things that
came before her body was discovered.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I would argue he's having her cover her face because
she's under age. What more do we know about this guy?
Speaker 7 (30:36):
Erck has released several singles, including Here with Me. They
charted on the Billboard Hot One hundred. He has recorded
two EPs and last April released his first full album, Withered,
with the Withered world tours starting last month and canceled
the day the body in his Tesla was identified as
celast Is Deluxe album is shelved. His record label Interscope
(30:59):
suspended the album release and pause all promotional activities related
to David. His endorsement deals are canceled. Crime Stories with
Nancy Grace, what do I have this correct?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
To Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter that after Celeste
Butcher remains are found in his tesla trunk, he continues
touring for several weeks until the outcry online it becomes
too noisy to ignore.
Speaker 9 (31:40):
Unbelievable, Nancy, that bloody remains are found in a vehicle
registered to you, Yet you continue on this world tour
like nothing was found in your car, and only stop
when the remains are identified as.
Speaker 12 (31:59):
A missing child from Lake Elsinor He went on about
his daily business after a bloody, chopped up, decomposed course
was found in his abandoned guard. Nancy, think about all
of this and it goes beyond the pale of what
any human being.
Speaker 9 (32:19):
Ever would do to another human being you.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Know, Dave Matt Apparently you and I are the only
ones concerned because as of this moment when we go
to air tonight, there have been no charges at all. Okay,
he's in a relationship with her, she's a runaway times two.
She's been gone over a year with him. I bet
(32:43):
if we timed those photos would find out how long
she's been with him, and now she's dead. It can
only be talked by one thing to Israel South Rodriguez
joining us us son. Isn't it true that there are
pregnant see allegations is real? That's right, Nancy.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
There are rumors and unconfirmed reports online that claims so
Less was apparently pregnant at the time of her death.
David Rowe, in the common section of one of his
discord live streams, quote me and at the leader user
got a kid on the way again. These reports are
unconfirmed by Los Angeles investigators who have kept the details
(33:24):
of the case close to the chest.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Just Scott Morgan, help me out. You're the death investigator.
You're the one that has handled literally thousands of death
investigations with her body thirteen when she goes missing, thirteen
and we're talking about her partially dismembered body in a
bag in his tesla. Okay, how do we figure out
(33:53):
if she was pregnant?
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Oh? Yeah, Well that's the key, isn't it? And if
they can if and again, Nancy, this is a big if,
because I keep hearing these snatches of information about how
badly she was decomposed. If they can get into a
reproductive system and appreciate the interior of her uterus, there's
(34:16):
going to be clues there relative to either a current
pregnancy or if she had given birth at some point
in time. Remember, she's been in hiding for some time.
I think my question would be, was there anything in
the house that gave us an indication that there may
have been some evidence relative to this? How long had
(34:38):
she survived? Is there any evidence that there might be
a child somewhere out there? And all of this is
going to be compromised.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
What can you tell me about infant remains?
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Yeah, there's a report that is out there, and again
we haven't been able to validate this yet, but there
is actually a report that there will remains found in
the Hollywood Hills area and that they were an infant.
So if that is true, Nancy, If that is true,
and if the La County corner has those remains, which
(35:12):
is where they would have wound up, guess what we've
got here. We have got a source for DNA information.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
You know another thing, Jo Scott Morgan. Two ideas. One
DNA comparison between the infants remains that were reportedly found
in the area and whoever got rid of her body.
Ain't that smart? Because no, it's connected geographically to David's place.
He lives in Hollywood Hills. Isn't that right? Israel? He
(35:42):
lives in Hollywood, Hollywood Hills, and this car is found
in Hollywood Hills.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Yes, Nancy, there's a course that David actually rented a
home in the Hollywood Hills area at one point.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Maybe whoever discarded her body did think to like part
the car a few streets over. That said, Joe Scott,
what I'm saying is when you don't know a horse,
look at his track record. If the body was hidden
just really stretching it near his home, then if infant
(36:15):
remains are found near the vehicle, that would mean they
were also near his home. That said, Two ideas. One
DNA comparison between the infant remains, if they exist and
her remains to find out if she's the mother. Even
if the body's decomposed, we can still get some sort
of a DNA match for Pet's sake. If you can
(36:37):
crack cold cases fifty years old with DNA, certainly we
can get DNA from her. And also, Scott, what about
her hormones, her pregnancy hormones. Would they be able to
be discerned even though her body had been perhaps shot.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Yeah, that's going to be a long shot, Nancy, given
the advance state of decomposition. If what they're saying, And
remember what you said earlier about La our friends out
in LA during this time period when her remains, when
this tessel was found, they were experiencing an incredibly oppressive
heat wave during this period of time. And I don't
want to go too over the top here, but let's
(37:18):
just say you talk about these remains inside of a
vehicle in LA during the summertime during a heat wave.
Heat speeds things up. And when I talk about speeds
things up, I'm talking about the degradation of the tissues.
They're going to be broken down to the point where
I don't know, and Nancy were still to this point,
(37:38):
there are rumors circling around. They're calling this, they're treating
this as a homicide. We still don't have a cause
of death with her, and the fact that they don't
have a cause of death yet gives us an indication
of the condition of the body. This is really hard
to parse through. But Nancy, I got another bombshell for
you here. Guess what. There's a silent witness to all
(37:59):
of this, and that's that tesla. Remember back in Idaho
one of the things we were looking for when those
four kids were murdered up there. They were asking the
day after, were there any tesla's around? Were there any
teslas around?
Speaker 9 (38:12):
Well?
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Why why would they ask that? Because these teslas come
equipped with a century system. If you've paid for it,
this thing has got at least six cameras on the outside.
There's biometrics on the inside. Nancy, we're going to get
time stamps with this. We might even get a visual
idea of who was opening that frunk and putting this
poor girl's remains in it.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
An unreleased demo song titled Celeste Demo and Finn leaked online,
resurfaced after Celeste Reevas was found dead in a tesla
registered to the singer the Celeste demo. Some details have
led to public speculation matching tattoos. Both David and Celestreevas
had a tattoo on their right index fingers.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
In hindsight, the title Romantic Homicide may not have been
a good choice for the artist known as David. It
looks like DFOURVD. It's David. I've listened to a lot
of his work. It's pretty impressive. But when I know
(39:14):
a little girl has found butchered in his Tesla trun
not so much. Take a listen to David promoing his
song Romantic Homicide.
Speaker 13 (39:25):
So when inspired the hook in the back of my
mind you died, it's kind of like the storytelling aspect
of the lyrics that came before it in a way
that it builds up to the big moment where she
died in the back of my mind. I didn't kill
her physically. In the back of my mind, she died
and I didn't even cry, not a single tear.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
That is from the Genius YouTube channel. Interesting that he
continued to perform many many appearances after Celeste is found
in his trunk, much less from the time that she
was murdered. Now, okay, look at this livestream video of
(40:04):
David and Celeste. Oh yo, what wait wait, look at
answer that one?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
That so mean if you don't ask one.
Speaker 13 (40:13):
It was good big family experiment. Oh thank you, Mitch
Mitchell Kanzio.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Mass.
Speaker 13 (40:24):
Can we delete all vis and then as soon as
the stream ends the stream too.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
That's what our friends at the Daily Mail. Isn't it true?
Straight out to Israel Salath Rodriguez that when all of
this was unfolding, the star known as David asked for
certain videos to be deleted.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
That's right, Nancy. There's one that that clip you just
showed from. It appears to be a discord live stream
where he is pictured alongside this young girl wearing a
hoodie and thick glasses, and he appears to tell the
live stream can this video be deleted?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Guys? I want to look at these Celeste lyrics that
have just it's never been released, but it has leaked. Okay,
take a look at this. O Celeste, the girl with
my name tattooed on her chest, smell it on my
clothes like cigarettes. I hear her voice each time I
take a breath. I'm obsessed, Oh Celeste, afraid you'll only
(41:25):
love me when undressed, but you look so damn gorgeous
in that dress. Missing you so much makes me depressed,
but I digress, baby, Baby, I love you, so this
is what it's like to not need weed to get
me high. I love it when you hold me when
you cry, just because, just because be my Valentine, I
(41:49):
want to make Cupid Sue is sidle. These are the
kind of thoughts that cross my mind just because, just
because I love you so much, Darling, I'd love to
ease your mind, but you only open up when you
get high. If I had the money, I would buyas
time just to get by, just to stay high. Okay,
I don't have to be her renown psychoanalyst to figure
(42:10):
this out. Dr Bethany Marshall, I think I know why
he didn't release it because she's underage.
Speaker 8 (42:15):
Absolutely, which is perhaps one of the reasons he hides
her face in all of those photos. Or on the
other hand, she's gorgeous and he's afraid that other men
will be.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Attracted to her.
Speaker 8 (42:25):
I want to point out that homicide is the leading
cause of death amongst pregnant women, since we're talking about
her possibly being pregnant. But in terms of these lyrics
you only talk to me when you're high. It sounds
like an abuser trying to extract all these secrets from
an underage girl, and then when she's high, he finally
(42:48):
feels like he has access to her innermost thoughts, the
idea that you only love me when.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
You're intimate with me.
Speaker 8 (42:56):
I don't have those lyrics in front of me right now.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
To me, this is a man.
Speaker 8 (42:59):
Who's stuck in rejection that no matter whether the victim
is living under his roof, adoring him, covering her face,
getting high with him, putting tattoos on her body, it
doesn't matter what she does. He's still stuck in a
state of rejection.
Speaker 7 (43:18):
Human remains, wrapped in plastic, placed in a bag and
hidden in the front trunk of the tesla are severely
decomposed and partially dismembered. Polisse The person was a female
five foot too weighing seventy one pounds, with wavy black hair,
and was wearing a tube top in black leggings. The
person appears deceased inside the vehicle for an extended period
(43:40):
of time before being found.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Reminder no one has been charged in the disappearance and
then murder the dismemberment of this little girl, Celeste Celeste Rivus.
No one has been charged, no one has been named.
A person of interests me to ask why not. If
(44:03):
you know or think you know anything about Celeste's disappearance,
please dial two one three four eight six six' eight
nine zero repeat two one three four eight six six
eight nine. Zero we remember An american, Hero Detective Mark,
(44:24):
Baker Northern York County Police, department shot in the line
of duty after twenty four years IN la law. Enforcement
leaves behind for grieving. Children american Hero Detective Mark. Baker
Nancy gray signing off good wise, man
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