February 21, 2024 • 44 mins
Audrii Cunningham's body has been found along the Trinity River after water levels were lowered, allowing detectives access.
Don Steven McDougal, 42, led investigators to the location earlier in the investigation. McDougal has now been charged with capital murder.
Don Steven McDougal has been a person of interest since the first 24 hours of Audrii Cunningham's disappearance. He was arrested on an unrelated charge. In 2010, Don Steven McDougal was working in a local garage with Elic Bryan III.
Bryan says McDougal seemed like an OK guy, until one night when McDougal had too much to drink and Bryan had to kick him out of his house. McDougal left, briefly, and came back with a knife, slashing tires and trying to stab Bryan. Bryan had to get his gun to try to run a drunk McDougal off his property, but it took police with police dogs coming out to track him down and take McDougal to jail.
Don Steven McDougal admits he was supposed to take Audrii Cunningham to the bus stop but he has yet to tell investigators if she made it to the bus stop or not.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Elic Bryan III - Assaulted by Don Steven McDougal in 2010
- Lana Shadwick – Attorney, Former Harris County Judge and Prosecutor; Legal Analyst for Breitbart, Texas; Facebook: @TXBoots
- Caryn L. Stark – Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych/FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice
- Chris McDonough – Director at the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective; Host of YouTube channel: “The Interview Room”
- Dr. Kendall Crowns – Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth) and Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School
- Mark Klaas - Founder, Klaas Kids Foundation
- Bob Price - Associate Editor and Sr. News Contributor for Breitbart Texas; Twitter: @BobPriceBBTX /FB: Bob.Price.Texas
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
In the last hours, the body of a beautiful little girl, Audrey,
just eleven years old, has been pulled af from under
a bridge in a Texas river. Heads are gonna roll.
(00:37):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious
XM one eleven.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
First of all, take a listen to this.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
At this time, I sadly announced that Audrey's body was
located at the Trinity River on the US Highway fifty nine.
As a result of today's developments, I will just continue
you the Amber Alert for Audrey, and I want to
thank DPS Department of Public Safety for all their help
in this alert. The information that we have gathered in
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this criminal investigation is substantial. My heart aches with this news,
and I expressed with my deepest sympathies and condolences to
everyone who knew, who cared for and loved Audrey. The
Sheriff's office. We will continue to process the evidence that
has been gathered to ensure that the justice for Audrey.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
And you can hear the Polk County Shriff Byron Lion's
voice cracking after he and his whole team volunteers, you
name it tried to find Audrey alive. That did not happen.
Take a listen to what else share of Byron Allions
has to say.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Thank you to Trinity River Authority following the water levels
so that the divers could reach the area, could reach
areas of interest. Due to the lower we were able
to contact tra Trinda River Authority. They slowed down the
outflow from the reservoir and it allowed the water to
go down and her body was discovered. They're in the water.
(02:14):
But I'm not gonna say whether it was Harris County
or Montgomery County or equo search. It was a conglomeration
of a lot of love and law enforcement networking together
that him discovered her.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I've done a lot of dive searches, but never have
I seen the water actually lowered in the body of
water in order to find a body. For those of
you just joining us, the body of an eleven year
old girl, Audrey Cunningham has been found.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Joining me in all.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Star peneal to make sense of what we know now,
including a man that predicted the defendant would attack again.
After the defendant attacked him, did he go to town Hell? No,
that's why he was out to murder Audrey. Yeah, that
(03:05):
victim joining us, But first to Bob Price, joining us
Associate editor, senior news contributor. You can find it at
Breitbart dot com. Bob, thank you for being with us.
Tell me about the discovery of this child.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Well, Nancy, thank you for having me on to discuss
this horrific situation. So Sheriff Lines announced yesterday that they
had recovered the body of this eleven year old and
a little girl. Just an absolutely tragic event. Yesterday on
your show, you discussed that the sheriff had taken mister
McDougall around various places he had been that day. One
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of the places that he took the Sheriff's department to
was that bridge where they found Audrey's body near one
of the bridge pillars underneath the bridge.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Stop right there, Bob Price.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Number one, you think I believe thing that POC says,
technical legal term, piece of crap. One thing he says,
he's going to twist us every way he can to
his benefit. Hey, Bob Price, when he was driving the
police arounded, he say, oh, yeah, that's where I put
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her body.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
So what the sheriff explained is that he just took
them to places that he said he had been that day,
kind of accounting for your time, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Bob, is it true this guy backed into a tree
and left and identifying mark from his bumper on the
tree when he was disposing of an eleven year old
girl's body. I think that's how they figured it out.
They find the backpack, they see that in mark on
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a tree, and they know, well.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
This is the place where the body was found.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Is about five miles down the river from where the
backpack was found. But yes, he reportedly did strike a
tree with his suburban and they were able to match
both what I've been told tire tracks and his bumper
marks to that location where the backpack was found. And
then the body was found lower down the river and
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the currents moving very swiftly there. This is just below
the lake Livingston Dam, and the water is high in
the lake right now, so they've been releasing a lot
of water. The current's been flowing rapidly, and that's why
they were able to lower the level of the lake,
as you mentioned, the river in order to slow the
currents down enough that the divers could get in to
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where they suspected her body would be end sure enough,
they've found us there. I asked Sheriff Lions yesterday if
there was any evidence that the body had been weighted
down or in any other way rigged to where it
would stay underwater, and he declined to answer. That commed
he did not say no, which I would think he
would say no if that wasn't the case, but he
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declined to answer that.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Can I ask you something, Bob Price, what is so
unique about his bumper that does he have a hitch
on it that they could identify the mark on the
tree and match it to his bumper.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I'm not sure exactly how they matched that. It could
mean that there was maybe evidence of the tree on
the bumper, something like that.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I'm looking at it right now. There's got to be
something unique about that bumper. Maybe there's some paint on
the tree that will match up. I mean, you know,
you can forensically identify a type of paint from a
car and trace it to the year, the model, the
make the works, and then go back to his vehicle
and find, if you take the time, forensic evidence of
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tree residue on the bumper. That said, joining me now
in addition to Bob Price, Associate editor, senior news contributor Breitbart,
longtime friend and colleague, the gold Standard, Mark Class is
joining me. Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation at
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class kids dot org, has devoted his life to finding
missing children after his beautiful daughter Polly was kidnapped and murdered.
Made that perp rot in hell Mark Class. Just so
many thoughts colliding in my head right now, because when
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Bob Price, our investigative reporter joined is speaking, he's talking
about the currents and the cold water and her body
under a bridge. All I can think about is this
little girl's body going along with the current dead, probably
face down in that cold, cold water, till it lodged
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under a bridge. An eleven year old girl, Mark Class
let it rip pullis Nantcy.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
Before he lord her body or tossed her body into
the river, he expos exposed this child to the worst
possible nightmare that anyone could even envision. I mean, she
was she was taken to this place, she was murdered
by this guy. She was most likely sexually assaulted by
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this guy, and he went on with his day after this.
This is a guy that has a criminal history, somebody
that is known to have caused harm, yet he was
given access to this child. I don't understand this dynamic
at all. I don't understand what the priorities were with
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this little girl's family that this guy could even have
access to then commit the horrendous and dastardly deeds that
he did.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
It's absolutely obscene.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Hey, who's the speaking?
Speaker 7 (08:54):
It is obscene?
Speaker 5 (08:55):
That was Bob.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Sorry, hey, Bob, Bob Bryce.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I was just about to go to you, Bob Pryce,
investigative reporter joining us from Breitbart, Bob something, and I
want to go back to Mark class on this, but
Bob Price, Yes, No. Isn't it true that the defendant
in this case, Don Stephen mcdougle, aged forty two, was
spotted at a gas station around nine am and at
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that time.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
He did not have Audrey with him. Is that correct?
Speaker 7 (09:21):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Video evidence has proven that up to be true. According
to what we've heard, it's just absolutely obscene that this
man was within a thousand yards of this little girl
at any time. This father is very evident. The man's
covered with neo Nazi tattoos, Arian Brotherhood tattoos ss.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
A Nazi swastika for Pete's sake, Yes, all of these
kinds of things in pictures. He's doing the one two
ab Arian brotherhood.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I mean it's like a does a.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Piano have to fall on your head to know this
guy is bad?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Stay away from him.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And I'm following up, Bob, I thank you for confirming that,
Mark Klass. You said this and chills, arms and legs.
He just went on about his day like nothing had happened.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
There he is filling up with gas after he's been.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Driving around and around and around with this girl's body,
probably in the car to find a place to dump
her body.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And look, he's a sex offender.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
He's already pled guilty to trying to have sex, taking
the underwear and the pj's off a little.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Girl, getting in bed with her. How did he get
access to another little girl?
Speaker 8 (10:35):
Nancy? And he showed up at a donut shop across
from the courthouse, which is a mile from the jail
the next morning. Talk about nonchalant.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yes, Mark Klass, what you said just before Lana jumped in.
Hey guys, Lana Shadwick, high profile lawyer out of Texas
who has made her way out of the court m
to join us Former Harris County judge and prosecutor Atlantashadwick
dot Com also at it as She's right, Mark class.
(11:08):
The guy didn't just go for gas. He was propped
up at a donut shop. This is after he is
disposed of an eleven year old girl's body in that
cold water Mark class, Well, this man.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Has absolutely no value for any life other than his owner.
He wouldn't have been able to do that. His conscience
would have stopped him. He has no conscience. He's just
a killing machine who, for some inexplicable reason, was out
and about with an eleven year old girl. I don't
know what anybody was actually expecting the results of this
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union to be. But my god, I'm my god. If
you could only turn back time.
Speaker 9 (11:51):
And talk about detached.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
He goes to a donut shop, which.
Speaker 9 (11:56):
Is right across from the courthouse.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
You can throw a ball and hit the judge's window.
I mean, it's down the street from the jail. What
kind of narcissist or detached individual is this? You're gonna
go downtown where the cops are.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Okay, I just violated every rule to be a good
trial lawyer. I placed myself in this by thinking in
my own children, Mark Class. I really don't know how
you even move forward. All I can think about is
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my girl. I mean, a convicted sex offender who was
allowed to plean down his case where he attacked another
little girl in her bed. He had access to her
home too. Was think about these similarities like a fingerprint.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Time stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
In addition to attacking Elick Bryan who is with us
Elick Bryant the third I believe, with a knife. Now this, ma'am,
why was he allowed to be around eleven year old Audrey?
And he's out having a donut Mark Klass, a donut.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
He's pumping his gas after driving.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Don't you know he went in all these circuitous routes
trying to figure out where to hide this girl's body,
this little eleven year old girl with that big smile,
and now he's got to fill up his gas take
and get a donut.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Really well, I don't.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Know what even to say about something like this, Nancy.
I mean, one has to look back to this guy's
criminal history and to see about how he's been better,
and his medical stream to see how he's been diagnosed.
I've spent my life trying to keep people like this
away from little children. You put out the information, you
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educate people, you raise awareness, you get laws passed. But
still there are families that are willing to allow something
like this, allow a known monster to have access, unfettered access,
apparently to their little children. I don't know what anybody
expects the outcomes of these kinds of situations can be.
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It's it's just, it's unbelievable. It's it's uncivilized, it's it's nightmarriage.
It's spawned from the devil himself.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Have you looked at this guy's tattoos. I'm not trashing tattoos,
don't care. You want to ink up your body, have
at it. But when you put swastikas and Arian brotherhood
tattoos all over your body, you're like a walking billboard.
You might as well walk down Third Avenue in New
York City with a sign that says, I am a
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piece of crap, Stay away from me. I mean, who
puts a Nazi swastika on their arm in plaint view
and it assists on wearing the sleeveless wife beater t shirts.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
He's proud of it. Jump in.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
He's walking billboard for the penitentiary system. If we you know,
to your point, and I think Mark is an absolute
warrior for children around this country. He speaks with authenticity,
and when we think about this guy being out on
the streets, it's just horrendous. And he would have had
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access to this small child.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Guess what I'm holding in my hand right now, guys,
a wrap sheet. It goes all the way back to
two thousand and one. Possession of pot Cleveland, two thousand
and two, assault of a public servant, don't know what
that was, two thousand and three, drugs two thousand and three,
two thousand and three, more marijuana two thousand and five,
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evading arrest two thousand and six.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Theft keeps ongoing and meth.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Now he's onto meth and they say Pot's not a
gateway drug, Okay, whatever.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Two thousand and seven, enticing child.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
There you go, There you go, that should have been
a child molesstation Church felony, more aggravated assault, unauthorized use
of vehicle that I guarantee you that was planned down
from a theft by receiving stolen property being a car
twenty fourteen, theft of property, reckless driving, assault for bodily injury,
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harassment twenty twenty three resisting arrest. You know, hold on
just a moment. Why am I reading the wrap sheet?
I have a victim with me right now. Elick Brian
the third, who was assaulted by this perv don Steve
mcdo goal in two thousand and ten.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Elec Brian the third, what happened?
Speaker 10 (17:07):
Well, he started working at the place I was at,
which was where I was. We worked in an oil
change place in Grolsey, Texas, yep. And some friends brought
him over to my house and he got a little
bliger it when he was drunk and started making comments
and actions towards one of their wives.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well well, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, Eleck Brian the third,
what kind of comment did he make to a woman?
Speaker 10 (17:33):
Oh, he was basically he was grabbing her and hitting
on her like he was trying to do inappropriate things
with her.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Have sex with her.
Speaker 10 (17:40):
Pretty much, Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Did he touch any of her private parts? Grabbereran touch
her breast? What was he saying?
Speaker 10 (17:46):
He was just talking. I don't know if he's where
he touched her because we I wasn't that part of it.
But she had come out and said that he was
groping her and that he was saying lude things about
her and how he wanted to have sex with her.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Sure he is, I want to have sex with you.
I'm sure he says something along lines of I want
to f you. I gave up cursing, so sorry about that. Uh,
Ellie Brian the third. And this is in a public
place with a group of women and men around.
Speaker 10 (18:15):
This was at my house.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
So elick.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
If he would do that in front of grown men
and women grope a woman, what would he do with
an eleven year old little girl all alone in his suv.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Or all alone in her home and herself.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
She couldn't defend herself. And in her mind, this is
daddy's friend. You know how hard it is to get
child molestation victims to speak out. They don't even understand
what's happened to them. And this is daddy's friend. What's
she going to do? She probably thinks, well, daddy knows
it together. Okay, what how do you know this? Please
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tell me what you know? Eleck Bryant the third.
Speaker 10 (19:02):
There is a Facebook page called Justice for Audrey Cunningham,
and there are pictures on there of them in a vehicle,
Dawn and Audrey and a group of family members going
on vacation to Florida back.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
To you getting attacked.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So the woman comes out and says, this guy is
groping me.
Speaker 10 (19:22):
Then what happens, Well, her husband tries to fight him,
and I stop him and we just throw him out
of the house.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
You don't, right, the husband better try to fight him.
If David Lynch didn't punch the daylights out of him,
if it were me, we'll be looking at a divorce
lawyer right now. So the husband goes in, he tries
to take a swing at McDougall.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You break it up, and then what happens.
Speaker 10 (19:44):
Well, you basically just I just forced him out of
the house. Tom, He's got to go okay, and you
know he's beingligerent with me at this time, and I
push him out the door. And then a little time
goes by and I heard somebody beating on the door.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
It's him.
Speaker 10 (19:58):
He has a knife and he stab it at my
door trying to get back in the house.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Then what happened.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
I grabbed my shotgun and I open up the front
door and he comes at me with the knife and
I hit him in the face with the gun with
the barrel of the gun and give me back out
the door and we call the cops.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
He came at you with a knife, yes, ma'am, Then
what happened?
Speaker 10 (20:15):
Like I said, I hit him in the face with
the barrel of the gun and pushed him out and
slammed the door and called the cops.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, so far, you're the only one that has gotten
justice with this guy, Don Stephen McDougall. And it seems
like even the barrel end of a gun didn't teach
him a lesson, because here he is with this eleven
year old girl. Doctor Kendall Crowns helped me out.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Guys with me.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Renowned chief medical examiner Terren County lecturer Texas Christian University
Medical School has performed literally thousands of autopsies. Doctor Crowns,
thank you for being with us. Please give me some
good news, if there is any good news right now. Forensically,
did the cold water help us in any way to
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determine cod cause of death?
Speaker 11 (21:06):
The cold water will slow down the decompositional process, so
it will preserve injuries better instead of the injuries being
obscured by the body decomposing will be kept intact, so
in that manner, it'll aid the investigators with the case
because there'll be less decomposition.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Doctor Kennel Crowns, you perform so many autopsies. When you
see a child like Audrey laying there on your autopsy table,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Are you like me?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Sometimes I don't know whether to cry or be angry
or just throw up, just vomit.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
How do you do it?
Speaker 11 (21:50):
There's always an emotional component with children, but you have
to always say to yourself, you're here to get the answers.
You're here to catch those people that have cause this death,
or for that matter, to exonerate people that have been
blamed for it. So you're there to get answers, and
you can't let your emotions cloud your judgment. Are making
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by it.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Ellie Brian the third who was assaulted by this same
guy Don Steve McDougall now person of interest suspect in
the brutal murder, and I guarantee you the rape of
an eleven year old little girl defenseless. My guess is
alone in the car with this guy who is living
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in a camper.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
In daddy's backyard.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You are quoted saying that he came back to your
house and started stabbing the door and the tires of
the cars. He pulled a knife on you and came
at you. Most important, you're not surprised to hear he's
involved in Audrey's disappearance.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Why do you say that?
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Not at all?
Speaker 10 (22:58):
Because just a couple of years ago I saw it
on Facebook where somebody was looking for information on him
because he was sending lude pictures to their little girl.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Dear Lord in Heaven, swow it down, Ab the third,
What did you just say?
Speaker 10 (23:14):
Somebody had posted on Facebook about him, a picture of
him and his name, saying that he was sending lud
pictures to live to their daughters.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Mark Class. Does it never end with this guy?
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Well, I think that's an important point. I mean, this
guy is an habitual criminal. This guy has been doing
gastardly horrible things his entire life. And exactly where does
the prosecutor get off thinking that being light on this
guy is somehow going to change it and make it
better for the next individual that has to face him. Obviously,
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this guy has done how many years, over twenty years
of criminal activity, NonStop criminal activity, assault, going after little girls,
doing all of these horrible things. Yet here he is
on the street in a car with the little girl.
And who is he? He's daddy's friend, you know what, Nancy.
He's daddy's friend until he isn't daddy's friend. He's daddy's
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friend until he takes her out of the car and
starts doing whatever the hell it is that he did
to her that made him believe he had to throw
her dead body into a river. It's just pure evil.
Why is this guy even existing? Why is this guy
even on the face of the earth. Certainly, why is
this guy in society?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I'm about to go to our shrink.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Karen ll start joining us out on New York renowned
TV radio. Trump expert and consultant, But Atlanta Shadwick set
it up for me. Here is a guy with this
long record. You are a prosecutor, you're a judge. Now
you're a high profile lawyer in this jurisdiction, Livingston, Texas.
You know what, every time I would get a case,
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it could be a car theft, it could be a
nickel bag, it could be in any number of things.
And if I saw the defendant had a gun, all
I could think about was my fiancee Keith, getting murdered,
and I would insist on jail time every.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Time I could get it. Why in the h E
double l with this.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Guy crawled into a little girl's bed and wrestled off
her pajamas and her underwear. Why did he get a
cheap play and walk out free, walk out free.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
I don't know what they do in Brisooria County, but
that won't fly in Pole County in East Texas. Just
telling you right now.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
And another thing there he is.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I have to find out from Elick Bryan the third
that this guy is in sending lud, which means his penis.
That's what that means, pictures to her daughters on Facebook.
He's not even trying to hide it for Peinte's sake,
that he's never prosecuted. I'm just hearing about that in
the first time right now, Leanna Well.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
And not only that there was a stabbing in August
that he was being held on since I guess Friday
with regard to an aggravated assault with a deadly whimp,
that's a clue in Texas. That's what we call a clue.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
That's what I call a similar transaction.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
David Stanley, Yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay, Karen Stark, I've
set it up for you with me as a psychologist.
Karen Stark at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a
CEA in case you need her. Karen number one, Who
is this guy? Except I hope about to enter death row?
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But who are these people that kept letting him off
over and over and over.
Speaker 12 (26:49):
It's impossible to understand how he was able to get
away with this. It just doesn't make any sense. He
is a psychopath. There was no surprise at all that
he was out there and committing these crimes and after
young girls. And he's a walking advertisement with those tattoos.
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He's telling you.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Who he is.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Okay, I know all that, no offense, Karen, Sorry, I
know all that. I can see all that. I'm asking
you what is he psychologically?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Who is he?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And how is he managed to sharp people to let
him into their lives?
Speaker 12 (27:25):
Nancy a textbook case of a psychopathy, has no conscience.
He could be out there eating a whole meal after
he killed her, And yes, you're right, there's no doubt
in my mind that he sexually assaulted her, that he
probably raped this little eleven year old, and he does
not have a conscience, just like Mark said, So it
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doesn't mean a thing to him. He could be out
there and then do it again and again and again,
and it just is shocking. I don't have an answer
for why he kept getting off and being.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Allowed to be out there.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
Addition to which, why was he living on the property.
How could somebody not see with the way that he
presented himself that he was a danger to this little
girl and should never have been around here.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Bob Price joining me, Associate editor, senior news contributor bright Bart.
You can find it a brightbart dot com. Bob Price, again,
thank you for being with us. I understand that Audrey's
body was lodged on something underneath a bridge.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Yes, yesterday I was down there by the river, and
I noticed a large number of uniformed practical police officers
in the area. There were boats in the area, probably
thirty to forty people right in that one area where
the body was found. And that is unusual based on
what the previous day's activity had been at those locations.
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So clearly, sometimes Sunday night, or excuping that Sunday night,
these days are running together now Tuesday night, Monday night.
Excuse me, the Ecuroshearch people, we believe discovered using their
sonar discovered that her body was lodged down there. The
currents were too strong at that point in time to
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get her out, and so the police were there to
secure that area. Later on Tuesday, they declared it to
be a crime scene. As of this morning, we have
an update that District Attorney Shelley Sitton has now filed
the capital murder charges against Donald Don Stephen McDougall. And
this is not the only child he was hanging around
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with in recent months. There's another little girl who's a
friend of Audrey's. Audrey went to her birthday party, and
Stephen McDougall thinks that going to eleven year old girl's
birthday parties is a cool thing to do. And these parents,
who obviously know who this guy is, I think it's
okay for this neo Nazi Aryan Nation hate group can
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catch it. I can't even describe all this stuff, you know,
for them to bring this thug, this animal to their
children's birthday party.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You know, I'm thinking back Atlanta, Shadwick, I want to
hear your thoughts on this. I remember when the twins
were born, they were very premature, and we have a
relative who's perfectly nice, but he smokes. I wouldn't even
let him come in and visit the twins because he smoked,
and I didn't want. You know, nicotine can trigger sudden
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infant death syndrome and it hurt me to do it. Oh,
I love him, but he couldn't come in. So how
in the hell do you let a Nazi Arian brother
around your children.
Speaker 9 (30:46):
Well, there's there's two theories to that, not taking up
for him or anything like that.
Speaker 10 (30:50):
But there's a.
Speaker 13 (30:51):
Social media video post of an individual who's had altercations
with McDougall, and she's said he's charming, he.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
Works you, you wouldn't believe anything.
Speaker 9 (31:06):
And then boom and she.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
Was in the car within he took a cell phone
away from her.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Whoa, whoa, wha, whoa whoa Wait wait wait, drinking from
the fire Roger first, Eli, Brian the third tells me
about this guy coming at him with a knife. Nothing happened,
He walked right out of jail. Then I find out
he's trying to send we believe, pena shots to little girls.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Now that, well, what happened with the woman in the car?
Why did he take away her cell phone?
Speaker 8 (31:33):
I do not know.
Speaker 9 (31:35):
She knew she was in trouble, but she I don't
believe charges were filed. I don't believe she went to
the authorities.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
But she's talking.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Now, Why would he take away her cell phone?
Speaker 12 (31:46):
That's not good, but you can't use it to call
for help.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Okay, just having hard time taking all of this in.
I want to talk about also the brilliance of how
they lowered the water in this entire body of water
to reach the child.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Joining me, is he's been very quiet, which is uncharacteristic.
Chris McDonough, director Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective, a
host of a YouTube channel. The interview Room where I
found him. Chris McDonough, I've done a lot of water
searches and diving myself, but I've never seen a body,
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an entire body of water lowered, the water level lowered
to get to the victim. Tell me how it's done, because.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
You have you know, that was a great investigative move
by law enforcement in this case, by working with the
Trinity River Authority engineers and basically as we're where, there's
a reservoir above and so what they do is they
close the what they're called lockgates, which controls the flow
of water downstream because everybody knows water goes in one
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particular direction, and that, in of itself then opened up
an opportunity for the search forensic diving teams. Maybe they
got dogs on boats where sometimes you can get the scent.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And remember everybody, dogs can smell your scent, your clothes,
a dead body, you name it, even in water.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Go ahead, Chris, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
And so whenever you have a body dump into water,
there are a lot of considerations from an investigative aspect
have to be taken place almost immediately. The first one
question I want to know is did she have Was
she alive when she went into the water.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Oh, dear Lord in heaven, why don't you make me
think about that.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I haven't even considered that.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
To doctor Kindle Crowns, let's follow up on what Chris
mc dunna just said, Crown's chief medical Examiner, Tyrant County.
This jurisdiction, Texas, Doctor Kettle, Crown's in a nutshell, no
Latin phrases, no medical terms. How do you determine if
this child was alive when she was put in the water.
Speaker 11 (34:34):
So usually when an individual drowned, there will be changes
in the body that she can find, which includes fluid
on the lung called pomery dima. They will often swallow
a lot of water into their stomach, so you look
for that. Those two are the main criteria for looking
for a drowning.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
You're saying, doctor kill crowns to tell somebody drowned alive.
They're putting the water alive. You'd find pull edema. I
thought that was water around the heart, water.
Speaker 11 (35:03):
Around the heart of the in the paracrdial sects of
spects surrounding the heart. That you wouldn't see any water
in the heart. You'd see water in the.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Lung, water or fluid. You mean lake water, late water,
lake water? Okay, just question, why did you say sh'ld
have pulmonary edema? A what is that too? When you
go so easily said she'd have late water in her lungs?
Speaker 11 (35:26):
Well, because if you're alive and you're thrown into the water,
when you're alive, you'll be gasping and inhaling the water,
so you would pull that into your lungs and into
your stomach or into your airways and into your stomach.
You would find that in the autopsy.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
How do you examine the lungs to determine there's water
and how do you well, I mean too into steal
equals four. How do you determine that water was from
the lake or do you really even have to?
Speaker 11 (35:52):
So you can do it with the autopsy, the lungs
will be heavy and full of fluid. And then on
histology or microscopic examination, you can look for debris from
the lake water in the ways.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yes, debris from the lake water.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
How do you get the water in any debris therein
out of the lungs in order to analyze.
Speaker 11 (36:15):
It, Well, you wouldn't get it out. You would actually
take sections of the lung at autopsy that then would
be processed and turned into microscopic sections to look out
under the microscope, and that debris would still be there
because it would be entrapped in the airways.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Bob Price joining me, investigative reporter, Associate editor, SI Needs,
contributor Breitbart, Bob, I know that there was a recreational lake.
Is she found in the lake or is she found
in the river that feeds into and out of the lake.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
So, Lake Livingston is the second largest lake in Texas,
and she was found below the dam in the Trinity River.
The lake is a contributing waterway to the the Trinity River,
about five miles downstream from where the dam is and
from where the backpack was found. So it's still unclear
at this time if she entered the water or was
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placed in the water near the dam and floated downstream
and became entangled in the bulk in the pilings of
the bridge, or if McDougall, because he said he went
to that bridge that day that area, did McDougall place
her there and trap her in that area where her
body would, hopefully on his part, never be found. Those
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are the questions that we still need to get from
the District Attorney's offices this investigation unfold.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Mark Class joining me, founder of Class Kids Foundation class
Kids dot org. Mark, let me talk to you about
the defendant. You've dealt with so many child killers. Do
you think this guy intentionally put her in the river
so her body would travel far from the disposal spot?
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I do.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
I mean, I think he was trying to disappear her.
I don't think there's any question about that. But I
wonder listening to this guy's history and listening to what
this guy's been allowed to do. If this little girl
ever had a chance. I mean, the minute this guy
stepped on that property and was allowed to stay on
the property, I think that this child was doomed. And
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I think that the supervising adults around her should have
understood and realized that, and they didn't. They failed their
child in the worst possible way. It's absolutely unbelievable. Who
lets a Neil Nazi live on your property? A neo
Nazi lets a Neil Nazi live on their property, particularly
somebody that's got the uniform that proudly wears the swasti,
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because that proudly carries his criminal history that looks forward
to Mayhem and more Mayhem. And it's always escalating, Nancy,
these things always escalate. And at the end, and we've
talked about this hundreds of times, at the end, there's
a dead little girl or a dead little boy and
we all go, well, gee, how could this have happened? Well,
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sometimes it's inevitable, you.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Know, Mark, You're right, inevitable. I feel like Audrey never
had a chance. I want to go back to Atlanta.
Shadwick joining us former judge, prosecutor now lawyer in this jurisdiction, Livingston, Texas.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
What now, Alanta, I mean, will anybody ever fess up?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah? I gave him a cheap deal. Yeah, I didn't prosecute. Yeah,
we didn't indict him. I mean, there's one thing after
the next, one offense after the next. This guy, for
Pete's sake, is using meth math of all things.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
Well, the Pole County District Attorney filed capital murder charges
on McDougall.
Speaker 9 (39:53):
And that was yesterday.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
He has no bond right now, and she's charged him
with capital murder because it involves a child ten years
to fifteen years old. So there's been something done about
this now.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
But if he had been prosecuted for sending penis pictures
we think lude photos to little girls, or if his
case hadn't been played down to nothing when he wrestled
the underwear and pj's off another little girl, he would
have been in jail and ought you to be alive today.
He would have been in daddy's camper in the backyard
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for Pete's sake.
Speaker 8 (40:32):
If he had been arrested in August for that aggravated
assault with a deadly weapon and who gave the.
Speaker 7 (40:41):
Father or the grandmother.
Speaker 9 (40:44):
Custody of this child, such that they're friends with McDougall.
And this is who you're gonna lack pick up your
daughter from the bus stop, or take her to the
bus stop, or take her to school.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
You know, how do you reconcile your Mark Chris McDonough
to the fact that the only thing we can do
now is get justice for this little girl. That's the
only thing left to do. She's not going to go
to high school. She's not going to go to Senior Prime.
She's not going to play basketball or softball for the school.
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She's not going to be a cheerleader. She's not going
to college. She's not going to marry and have children.
It's over, and she died a horrible death, and her
body is thrown in the cold, cold waters of a
running river, and all we're left with are pictures on
Facebook and a courtroom. We got to feel with the
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jury and get the death penalty. That's what we're gonna do.
Final thoughts Mark class Well.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Yeah, man, the death penalty hopefully ensures that this guy
will never get out of prison again. That's why the
death penalty needs to exist. There has to be a
line drawn in the sand to keep these guys, maybe
not into the execution house, but at least out of
society and keep them someplace isolated and segregated where they
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can never touch another innocent human being. It's the only
way to create public safety in a situation like this.
Speaker 10 (42:14):
Absolutely, situation is really oh.
Speaker 8 (42:17):
Death or life without parole, that's another option or life
not really?
Speaker 7 (42:22):
No, no, no, no, My life without parole changes all
the time, laws changed all the time. It's a situation
in California now where a lot of people that are
on death row might be getting resentenced.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah, do I have to say Charles Manson, he got
the DP Remember Mark, he got the death penalty from
how many people did he help kill? And then the
law changed and he had the rest of his rotten
life to have online friends, women wanting to have sex
with him, a website making money.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
That's what happens on Life without Parole and the disciple.
Speaker 7 (43:05):
That is willing to try to assassinate a president of
the United States to impress him. These guys are so
dastardly and so awful they have to be on death roll.
They have to be cut off society from society otherwise
they continue to have an influence.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Look, this is what I've got to say, and a
lot of people aren't going to like it. But it's
on you. Every prosecutor that let him off easy. It
took a cheap please so you wouldn't have to go
to trial. Everybody who didn't call police, Not you, Brian
the third.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Because you call police, you tried to do something.
Speaker 10 (43:40):
It's my fault too, Dacy. I should have pulled the
trigger that night.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, you at least got a piece of him with
the gun butt friend, Wow, and you call police.
Speaker 10 (43:50):
That's not enough.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Everybody that didn't put him in jail, everybody that turned
the other way, everybody that exposed this nazi set perfect
to their children.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
It's on you. We wait as just as unfals. Goodbye, friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
In the last hours, the body of a beautiful little girl, Audrey,
just eleven years old, has been pulled af from under
a bridge in a Texas river. Heads are gonna roll.
(00:37):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious
XM one eleven.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
First of all, take a listen to this.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
At this time, I sadly announced that Audrey's body was
located at the Trinity River on the US Highway fifty nine.
As a result of today's developments, I will just continue
you the Amber Alert for Audrey, and I want to
thank DPS Department of Public Safety for all their help
in this alert. The information that we have gathered in
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this criminal investigation is substantial. My heart aches with this news,
and I expressed with my deepest sympathies and condolences to
everyone who knew, who cared for and loved Audrey. The
Sheriff's office. We will continue to process the evidence that
has been gathered to ensure that the justice for Audrey.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
And you can hear the Polk County Shriff Byron Lion's
voice cracking after he and his whole team volunteers, you
name it tried to find Audrey alive. That did not happen.
Take a listen to what else share of Byron Allions
has to say.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Thank you to Trinity River Authority following the water levels
so that the divers could reach the area, could reach
areas of interest. Due to the lower we were able
to contact tra Trinda River Authority. They slowed down the
outflow from the reservoir and it allowed the water to
go down and her body was discovered. They're in the water.
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But I'm not gonna say whether it was Harris County
or Montgomery County or equo search. It was a conglomeration
of a lot of love and law enforcement networking together
that him discovered her.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I've done a lot of dive searches, but never have
I seen the water actually lowered in the body of
water in order to find a body. For those of
you just joining us, the body of an eleven year
old girl, Audrey Cunningham has been found.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Joining me in all.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Star peneal to make sense of what we know now,
including a man that predicted the defendant would attack again.
After the defendant attacked him, did he go to town Hell? No,
that's why he was out to murder Audrey. Yeah, that
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victim joining us, But first to Bob Price, joining us
Associate editor, senior news contributor. You can find it at
Breitbart dot com. Bob, thank you for being with us.
Tell me about the discovery of this child.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Well, Nancy, thank you for having me on to discuss
this horrific situation. So Sheriff Lines announced yesterday that they
had recovered the body of this eleven year old and
a little girl. Just an absolutely tragic event. Yesterday on
your show, you discussed that the sheriff had taken mister
McDougall around various places he had been that day. One
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of the places that he took the Sheriff's department to
was that bridge where they found Audrey's body near one
of the bridge pillars underneath the bridge.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Stop right there, Bob Price.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Number one, you think I believe thing that POC says,
technical legal term, piece of crap. One thing he says,
he's going to twist us every way he can to
his benefit. Hey, Bob Price, when he was driving the
police arounded, he say, oh, yeah, that's where I put
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her body.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
So what the sheriff explained is that he just took
them to places that he said he had been that day,
kind of accounting for your time, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Bob, is it true this guy backed into a tree
and left and identifying mark from his bumper on the
tree when he was disposing of an eleven year old
girl's body. I think that's how they figured it out.
They find the backpack, they see that in mark on
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a tree, and they know, well.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
This is the place where the body was found.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Is about five miles down the river from where the
backpack was found. But yes, he reportedly did strike a
tree with his suburban and they were able to match
both what I've been told tire tracks and his bumper
marks to that location where the backpack was found. And
then the body was found lower down the river and
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the currents moving very swiftly there. This is just below
the lake Livingston Dam, and the water is high in
the lake right now, so they've been releasing a lot
of water. The current's been flowing rapidly, and that's why
they were able to lower the level of the lake,
as you mentioned, the river in order to slow the
currents down enough that the divers could get in to
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where they suspected her body would be end sure enough,
they've found us there. I asked Sheriff Lions yesterday if
there was any evidence that the body had been weighted
down or in any other way rigged to where it
would stay underwater, and he declined to answer. That commed
he did not say no, which I would think he
would say no if that wasn't the case, but he
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declined to answer that.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Can I ask you something, Bob Price, what is so
unique about his bumper that does he have a hitch
on it that they could identify the mark on the
tree and match it to his bumper.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I'm not sure exactly how they matched that. It could
mean that there was maybe evidence of the tree on
the bumper, something like that.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I'm looking at it right now. There's got to be
something unique about that bumper. Maybe there's some paint on
the tree that will match up. I mean, you know,
you can forensically identify a type of paint from a
car and trace it to the year, the model, the
make the works, and then go back to his vehicle
and find, if you take the time, forensic evidence of
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tree residue on the bumper. That said, joining me now
in addition to Bob Price, Associate editor, senior news contributor Breitbart,
longtime friend and colleague, the gold Standard, Mark Class is
joining me. Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation at
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class kids dot org, has devoted his life to finding
missing children after his beautiful daughter Polly was kidnapped and murdered.
Made that perp rot in hell Mark Class. Just so
many thoughts colliding in my head right now, because when
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Bob Price, our investigative reporter joined is speaking, he's talking
about the currents and the cold water and her body
under a bridge. All I can think about is this
little girl's body going along with the current dead, probably
face down in that cold, cold water, till it lodged
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under a bridge. An eleven year old girl, Mark Class
let it rip pullis Nantcy.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
Before he lord her body or tossed her body into
the river, he expos exposed this child to the worst
possible nightmare that anyone could even envision. I mean, she
was she was taken to this place, she was murdered
by this guy. She was most likely sexually assaulted by
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this guy, and he went on with his day after this.
This is a guy that has a criminal history, somebody
that is known to have caused harm, yet he was
given access to this child. I don't understand this dynamic
at all. I don't understand what the priorities were with
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this little girl's family that this guy could even have
access to then commit the horrendous and dastardly deeds that
he did.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
It's absolutely obscene.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Hey, who's the speaking?
Speaker 7 (08:54):
It is obscene?
Speaker 5 (08:55):
That was Bob.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Sorry, hey, Bob, Bob Bryce.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I was just about to go to you, Bob Pryce,
investigative reporter joining us from Breitbart, Bob something, and I
want to go back to Mark class on this, but
Bob Price, Yes, No. Isn't it true that the defendant
in this case, Don Stephen mcdougle, aged forty two, was
spotted at a gas station around nine am and at
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that time.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
He did not have Audrey with him. Is that correct?
Speaker 7 (09:21):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Video evidence has proven that up to be true. According
to what we've heard, it's just absolutely obscene that this
man was within a thousand yards of this little girl
at any time. This father is very evident. The man's
covered with neo Nazi tattoos, Arian Brotherhood tattoos ss.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
A Nazi swastika for Pete's sake, Yes, all of these
kinds of things in pictures. He's doing the one two
ab Arian brotherhood.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I mean it's like a does a.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Piano have to fall on your head to know this
guy is bad?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Stay away from him.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And I'm following up, Bob, I thank you for confirming that,
Mark Klass. You said this and chills, arms and legs.
He just went on about his day like nothing had happened.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
There he is filling up with gas after he's been.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Driving around and around and around with this girl's body,
probably in the car to find a place to dump
her body.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And look, he's a sex offender.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
He's already pled guilty to trying to have sex, taking
the underwear and the pj's off a little.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Girl, getting in bed with her. How did he get
access to another little girl?
Speaker 8 (10:35):
Nancy? And he showed up at a donut shop across
from the courthouse, which is a mile from the jail
the next morning. Talk about nonchalant.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yes, Mark Klass, what you said just before Lana jumped in.
Hey guys, Lana Shadwick, high profile lawyer out of Texas
who has made her way out of the court m
to join us Former Harris County judge and prosecutor Atlantashadwick
dot Com also at it as She's right, Mark class.
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The guy didn't just go for gas. He was propped
up at a donut shop. This is after he is
disposed of an eleven year old girl's body in that
cold water Mark class, Well, this man.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Has absolutely no value for any life other than his owner.
He wouldn't have been able to do that. His conscience
would have stopped him. He has no conscience. He's just
a killing machine who, for some inexplicable reason, was out
and about with an eleven year old girl. I don't
know what anybody was actually expecting the results of this
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union to be. But my god, I'm my god. If
you could only turn back time.
Speaker 9 (11:51):
And talk about detached.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
He goes to a donut shop, which.
Speaker 9 (11:56):
Is right across from the courthouse.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
You can throw a ball and hit the judge's window.
I mean, it's down the street from the jail. What
kind of narcissist or detached individual is this? You're gonna
go downtown where the cops are.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Okay, I just violated every rule to be a good
trial lawyer. I placed myself in this by thinking in
my own children, Mark Class. I really don't know how
you even move forward. All I can think about is
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my girl. I mean, a convicted sex offender who was
allowed to plean down his case where he attacked another
little girl in her bed. He had access to her
home too. Was think about these similarities like a fingerprint.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Time stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
In addition to attacking Elick Bryan who is with us
Elick Bryant the third I believe, with a knife. Now this, ma'am,
why was he allowed to be around eleven year old Audrey?
And he's out having a donut Mark Klass, a donut.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
He's pumping his gas after driving.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Don't you know he went in all these circuitous routes
trying to figure out where to hide this girl's body,
this little eleven year old girl with that big smile,
and now he's got to fill up his gas take
and get a donut.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Really well, I don't.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Know what even to say about something like this, Nancy.
I mean, one has to look back to this guy's
criminal history and to see about how he's been better,
and his medical stream to see how he's been diagnosed.
I've spent my life trying to keep people like this
away from little children. You put out the information, you
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educate people, you raise awareness, you get laws passed. But
still there are families that are willing to allow something
like this, allow a known monster to have access, unfettered access,
apparently to their little children. I don't know what anybody
expects the outcomes of these kinds of situations can be.
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It's it's just, it's unbelievable. It's it's uncivilized, it's it's nightmarriage.
It's spawned from the devil himself.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Have you looked at this guy's tattoos. I'm not trashing tattoos,
don't care. You want to ink up your body, have
at it. But when you put swastikas and Arian brotherhood
tattoos all over your body, you're like a walking billboard.
You might as well walk down Third Avenue in New
York City with a sign that says, I am a
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piece of crap, Stay away from me. I mean, who
puts a Nazi swastika on their arm in plaint view
and it assists on wearing the sleeveless wife beater t shirts.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
He's proud of it. Jump in.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
He's walking billboard for the penitentiary system. If we you know,
to your point, and I think Mark is an absolute
warrior for children around this country. He speaks with authenticity,
and when we think about this guy being out on
the streets, it's just horrendous. And he would have had
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access to this small child.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Guess what I'm holding in my hand right now, guys,
a wrap sheet. It goes all the way back to
two thousand and one. Possession of pot Cleveland, two thousand
and two, assault of a public servant, don't know what
that was, two thousand and three, drugs two thousand and three,
two thousand and three, more marijuana two thousand and five,
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evading arrest two thousand and six.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Theft keeps ongoing and meth.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Now he's onto meth and they say Pot's not a
gateway drug, Okay, whatever.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Two thousand and seven, enticing child.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
There you go, There you go, that should have been
a child molesstation Church felony, more aggravated assault, unauthorized use
of vehicle that I guarantee you that was planned down
from a theft by receiving stolen property being a car
twenty fourteen, theft of property, reckless driving, assault for bodily injury,
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harassment twenty twenty three resisting arrest. You know, hold on
just a moment. Why am I reading the wrap sheet?
I have a victim with me right now. Elick Brian
the third, who was assaulted by this perv don Steve
mcdo goal in two thousand and ten.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Elec Brian the third, what happened?
Speaker 10 (17:07):
Well, he started working at the place I was at,
which was where I was. We worked in an oil
change place in Grolsey, Texas, yep. And some friends brought
him over to my house and he got a little
bliger it when he was drunk and started making comments
and actions towards one of their wives.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well well, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, Eleck Brian the third,
what kind of comment did he make to a woman?
Speaker 10 (17:33):
Oh, he was basically he was grabbing her and hitting
on her like he was trying to do inappropriate things
with her.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Have sex with her.
Speaker 10 (17:40):
Pretty much, Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Did he touch any of her private parts? Grabbereran touch
her breast? What was he saying?
Speaker 10 (17:46):
He was just talking. I don't know if he's where
he touched her because we I wasn't that part of it.
But she had come out and said that he was
groping her and that he was saying lude things about
her and how he wanted to have sex with her.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Sure he is, I want to have sex with you.
I'm sure he says something along lines of I want
to f you. I gave up cursing, so sorry about that. Uh,
Ellie Brian the third. And this is in a public
place with a group of women and men around.
Speaker 10 (18:15):
This was at my house.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
So elick.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
If he would do that in front of grown men
and women grope a woman, what would he do with
an eleven year old little girl all alone in his suv.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Or all alone in her home and herself.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
She couldn't defend herself. And in her mind, this is
daddy's friend. You know how hard it is to get
child molestation victims to speak out. They don't even understand
what's happened to them. And this is daddy's friend. What's
she going to do? She probably thinks, well, daddy knows
it together. Okay, what how do you know this? Please
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tell me what you know? Eleck Bryant the third.
Speaker 10 (19:02):
There is a Facebook page called Justice for Audrey Cunningham,
and there are pictures on there of them in a vehicle,
Dawn and Audrey and a group of family members going
on vacation to Florida back.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
To you getting attacked.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So the woman comes out and says, this guy is
groping me.
Speaker 10 (19:22):
Then what happens, Well, her husband tries to fight him,
and I stop him and we just throw him out
of the house.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
You don't, right, the husband better try to fight him.
If David Lynch didn't punch the daylights out of him,
if it were me, we'll be looking at a divorce
lawyer right now. So the husband goes in, he tries
to take a swing at McDougall.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You break it up, and then what happens.
Speaker 10 (19:44):
Well, you basically just I just forced him out of
the house. Tom, He's got to go okay, and you
know he's beingligerent with me at this time, and I
push him out the door. And then a little time
goes by and I heard somebody beating on the door.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
It's him.
Speaker 10 (19:58):
He has a knife and he stab it at my
door trying to get back in the house.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Then what happened.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
I grabbed my shotgun and I open up the front
door and he comes at me with the knife and
I hit him in the face with the gun with
the barrel of the gun and give me back out
the door and we call the cops.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
He came at you with a knife, yes, ma'am, Then
what happened?
Speaker 10 (20:15):
Like I said, I hit him in the face with
the barrel of the gun and pushed him out and
slammed the door and called the cops.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, so far, you're the only one that has gotten
justice with this guy, Don Stephen McDougall. And it seems
like even the barrel end of a gun didn't teach
him a lesson, because here he is with this eleven
year old girl. Doctor Kendall Crowns helped me out.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Guys with me.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Renowned chief medical examiner Terren County lecturer Texas Christian University
Medical School has performed literally thousands of autopsies. Doctor Crowns,
thank you for being with us. Please give me some
good news, if there is any good news right now. Forensically,
did the cold water help us in any way to
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determine cod cause of death?
Speaker 11 (21:06):
The cold water will slow down the decompositional process, so
it will preserve injuries better instead of the injuries being
obscured by the body decomposing will be kept intact, so
in that manner, it'll aid the investigators with the case
because there'll be less decomposition.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Doctor Kennel Crowns, you perform so many autopsies. When you
see a child like Audrey laying there on your autopsy table,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Are you like me?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Sometimes I don't know whether to cry or be angry
or just throw up, just vomit.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
How do you do it?
Speaker 11 (21:50):
There's always an emotional component with children, but you have
to always say to yourself, you're here to get the answers.
You're here to catch those people that have cause this death,
or for that matter, to exonerate people that have been
blamed for it. So you're there to get answers, and
you can't let your emotions cloud your judgment. Are making
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by it.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Ellie Brian the third who was assaulted by this same
guy Don Steve McDougall now person of interest suspect in
the brutal murder, and I guarantee you the rape of
an eleven year old little girl defenseless. My guess is
alone in the car with this guy who is living
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in a camper.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
In daddy's backyard.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You are quoted saying that he came back to your
house and started stabbing the door and the tires of
the cars. He pulled a knife on you and came
at you. Most important, you're not surprised to hear he's
involved in Audrey's disappearance.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Why do you say that?
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Not at all?
Speaker 10 (22:58):
Because just a couple of years ago I saw it
on Facebook where somebody was looking for information on him
because he was sending lude pictures to their little girl.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Dear Lord in Heaven, swow it down, Ab the third,
What did you just say?
Speaker 10 (23:14):
Somebody had posted on Facebook about him, a picture of
him and his name, saying that he was sending lud
pictures to live to their daughters.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Mark Class. Does it never end with this guy?
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Well, I think that's an important point. I mean, this
guy is an habitual criminal. This guy has been doing
gastardly horrible things his entire life. And exactly where does
the prosecutor get off thinking that being light on this
guy is somehow going to change it and make it
better for the next individual that has to face him. Obviously,
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this guy has done how many years, over twenty years
of criminal activity, NonStop criminal activity, assault, going after little girls,
doing all of these horrible things. Yet here he is
on the street in a car with the little girl.
And who is he? He's daddy's friend, you know what, Nancy.
He's daddy's friend until he isn't daddy's friend. He's daddy's
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friend until he takes her out of the car and
starts doing whatever the hell it is that he did
to her that made him believe he had to throw
her dead body into a river. It's just pure evil.
Why is this guy even existing? Why is this guy
even on the face of the earth. Certainly, why is
this guy in society?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I'm about to go to our shrink.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Karen ll start joining us out on New York renowned
TV radio. Trump expert and consultant, But Atlanta Shadwick set
it up for me. Here is a guy with this
long record. You are a prosecutor, you're a judge. Now
you're a high profile lawyer in this jurisdiction, Livingston, Texas.
You know what, every time I would get a case,
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it could be a car theft, it could be a
nickel bag, it could be in any number of things.
And if I saw the defendant had a gun, all
I could think about was my fiancee Keith, getting murdered,
and I would insist on jail time every.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Time I could get it. Why in the h E
double l with this.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Guy crawled into a little girl's bed and wrestled off
her pajamas and her underwear. Why did he get a
cheap play and walk out free, walk out free.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
I don't know what they do in Brisooria County, but
that won't fly in Pole County in East Texas. Just
telling you right now.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
And another thing there he is.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I have to find out from Elick Bryan the third
that this guy is in sending lud, which means his penis.
That's what that means, pictures to her daughters on Facebook.
He's not even trying to hide it for Peinte's sake,
that he's never prosecuted. I'm just hearing about that in
the first time right now, Leanna Well.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
And not only that there was a stabbing in August
that he was being held on since I guess Friday
with regard to an aggravated assault with a deadly whimp,
that's a clue in Texas. That's what we call a clue.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
That's what I call a similar transaction.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
David Stanley, Yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay, Karen Stark, I've
set it up for you with me as a psychologist.
Karen Stark at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a
CEA in case you need her. Karen number one, Who
is this guy? Except I hope about to enter death row?
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But who are these people that kept letting him off
over and over and over.
Speaker 12 (26:49):
It's impossible to understand how he was able to get
away with this. It just doesn't make any sense. He
is a psychopath. There was no surprise at all that
he was out there and committing these crimes and after
young girls. And he's a walking advertisement with those tattoos.
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He's telling you.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Who he is.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Okay, I know all that, no offense, Karen, Sorry, I
know all that. I can see all that. I'm asking
you what is he psychologically?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Who is he?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And how is he managed to sharp people to let
him into their lives?
Speaker 12 (27:25):
Nancy a textbook case of a psychopathy, has no conscience.
He could be out there eating a whole meal after
he killed her, And yes, you're right, there's no doubt
in my mind that he sexually assaulted her, that he
probably raped this little eleven year old, and he does
not have a conscience, just like Mark said, So it
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doesn't mean a thing to him. He could be out
there and then do it again and again and again,
and it just is shocking. I don't have an answer
for why he kept getting off and being.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Allowed to be out there.
Speaker 12 (28:00):
Addition to which, why was he living on the property.
How could somebody not see with the way that he
presented himself that he was a danger to this little
girl and should never have been around here.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Bob Price joining me, Associate editor, senior news contributor bright Bart.
You can find it a brightbart dot com. Bob Price, again,
thank you for being with us. I understand that Audrey's
body was lodged on something underneath a bridge.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Yes, yesterday I was down there by the river, and
I noticed a large number of uniformed practical police officers
in the area. There were boats in the area, probably
thirty to forty people right in that one area where
the body was found. And that is unusual based on
what the previous day's activity had been at those locations.
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So clearly, sometimes Sunday night, or excuping that Sunday night,
these days are running together now Tuesday night, Monday night.
Excuse me, the Ecuroshearch people, we believe discovered using their
sonar discovered that her body was lodged down there. The
currents were too strong at that point in time to
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get her out, and so the police were there to
secure that area. Later on Tuesday, they declared it to
be a crime scene. As of this morning, we have
an update that District Attorney Shelley Sitton has now filed
the capital murder charges against Donald Don Stephen McDougall. And
this is not the only child he was hanging around
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with in recent months. There's another little girl who's a
friend of Audrey's. Audrey went to her birthday party, and
Stephen McDougall thinks that going to eleven year old girl's
birthday parties is a cool thing to do. And these parents,
who obviously know who this guy is, I think it's
okay for this neo Nazi Aryan Nation hate group can
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catch it. I can't even describe all this stuff, you know,
for them to bring this thug, this animal to their
children's birthday party.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
You know, I'm thinking back Atlanta, Shadwick, I want to
hear your thoughts on this. I remember when the twins
were born, they were very premature, and we have a
relative who's perfectly nice, but he smokes. I wouldn't even
let him come in and visit the twins because he smoked,
and I didn't want. You know, nicotine can trigger sudden
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infant death syndrome and it hurt me to do it. Oh,
I love him, but he couldn't come in. So how
in the hell do you let a Nazi Arian brother
around your children.
Speaker 9 (30:46):
Well, there's there's two theories to that, not taking up
for him or anything like that.
Speaker 10 (30:50):
But there's a.
Speaker 13 (30:51):
Social media video post of an individual who's had altercations
with McDougall, and she's said he's charming, he.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
Works you, you wouldn't believe anything.
Speaker 9 (31:06):
And then boom and she.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
Was in the car within he took a cell phone
away from her.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Whoa, whoa, wha, whoa whoa Wait wait wait, drinking from
the fire Roger first, Eli, Brian the third tells me
about this guy coming at him with a knife. Nothing happened,
He walked right out of jail. Then I find out
he's trying to send we believe, pena shots to little girls.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Now that, well, what happened with the woman in the car?
Why did he take away her cell phone?
Speaker 8 (31:33):
I do not know.
Speaker 9 (31:35):
She knew she was in trouble, but she I don't
believe charges were filed. I don't believe she went to
the authorities.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
But she's talking.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Now, Why would he take away her cell phone?
Speaker 12 (31:46):
That's not good, but you can't use it to call
for help.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Okay, just having hard time taking all of this in.
I want to talk about also the brilliance of how
they lowered the water in this entire body of water
to reach the child.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Joining me, is he's been very quiet, which is uncharacteristic.
Chris McDonough, director Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective, a
host of a YouTube channel. The interview Room where I
found him. Chris McDonough, I've done a lot of water
searches and diving myself, but I've never seen a body,
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an entire body of water lowered, the water level lowered
to get to the victim. Tell me how it's done, because.
Speaker 6 (32:57):
You have you know, that was a great investigative move
by law enforcement in this case, by working with the
Trinity River Authority engineers and basically as we're where, there's
a reservoir above and so what they do is they
close the what they're called lockgates, which controls the flow
of water downstream because everybody knows water goes in one
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particular direction, and that, in of itself then opened up
an opportunity for the search forensic diving teams. Maybe they
got dogs on boats where sometimes you can get the scent.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And remember everybody, dogs can smell your scent, your clothes,
a dead body, you name it, even in water.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Go ahead, Chris, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
And so whenever you have a body dump into water,
there are a lot of considerations from an investigative aspect
have to be taken place almost immediately. The first one
question I want to know is did she have Was
she alive when she went into the water.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Oh, dear Lord in heaven, why don't you make me
think about that.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I haven't even considered that.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
To doctor Kindle Crowns, let's follow up on what Chris
mc dunna just said, Crown's chief medical Examiner, Tyrant County.
This jurisdiction, Texas, Doctor Kettle, Crown's in a nutshell, no
Latin phrases, no medical terms. How do you determine if
this child was alive when she was put in the water.
Speaker 11 (34:34):
So usually when an individual drowned, there will be changes
in the body that she can find, which includes fluid
on the lung called pomery dima. They will often swallow
a lot of water into their stomach, so you look
for that. Those two are the main criteria for looking
for a drowning.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
You're saying, doctor kill crowns to tell somebody drowned alive.
They're putting the water alive. You'd find pull edema. I
thought that was water around the heart, water.
Speaker 11 (35:03):
Around the heart of the in the paracrdial sects of
spects surrounding the heart. That you wouldn't see any water
in the heart. You'd see water in the.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Lung, water or fluid. You mean lake water, late water,
lake water? Okay, just question, why did you say sh'ld
have pulmonary edema? A what is that too? When you
go so easily said she'd have late water in her lungs?
Speaker 11 (35:26):
Well, because if you're alive and you're thrown into the water,
when you're alive, you'll be gasping and inhaling the water,
so you would pull that into your lungs and into
your stomach or into your airways and into your stomach.
You would find that in the autopsy.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
How do you examine the lungs to determine there's water
and how do you well, I mean too into steal
equals four. How do you determine that water was from
the lake or do you really even have to?
Speaker 11 (35:52):
So you can do it with the autopsy, the lungs
will be heavy and full of fluid. And then on
histology or microscopic examination, you can look for debris from
the lake water in the ways.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yes, debris from the lake water.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
How do you get the water in any debris therein
out of the lungs in order to analyze.
Speaker 11 (36:15):
It, Well, you wouldn't get it out. You would actually
take sections of the lung at autopsy that then would
be processed and turned into microscopic sections to look out
under the microscope, and that debris would still be there
because it would be entrapped in the airways.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Bob Price joining me, investigative reporter, Associate editor, SI Needs,
contributor Breitbart, Bob, I know that there was a recreational lake.
Is she found in the lake or is she found
in the river that feeds into and out of the lake.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
So, Lake Livingston is the second largest lake in Texas,
and she was found below the dam in the Trinity River.
The lake is a contributing waterway to the the Trinity River,
about five miles downstream from where the dam is and
from where the backpack was found. So it's still unclear
at this time if she entered the water or was
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placed in the water near the dam and floated downstream
and became entangled in the bulk in the pilings of
the bridge, or if McDougall, because he said he went
to that bridge that day that area, did McDougall place
her there and trap her in that area where her
body would, hopefully on his part, never be found. Those
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are the questions that we still need to get from
the District Attorney's offices this investigation unfold.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Mark Class joining me, founder of Class Kids Foundation class
Kids dot org. Mark, let me talk to you about
the defendant. You've dealt with so many child killers. Do
you think this guy intentionally put her in the river
so her body would travel far from the disposal spot?
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I do.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
I mean, I think he was trying to disappear her.
I don't think there's any question about that. But I
wonder listening to this guy's history and listening to what
this guy's been allowed to do. If this little girl
ever had a chance. I mean, the minute this guy
stepped on that property and was allowed to stay on
the property, I think that this child was doomed. And
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I think that the supervising adults around her should have
understood and realized that, and they didn't. They failed their
child in the worst possible way. It's absolutely unbelievable. Who
lets a Neil Nazi live on your property? A neo
Nazi lets a Neil Nazi live on their property, particularly
somebody that's got the uniform that proudly wears the swasti,
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because that proudly carries his criminal history that looks forward
to Mayhem and more Mayhem. And it's always escalating, Nancy,
these things always escalate. And at the end, and we've
talked about this hundreds of times, at the end, there's
a dead little girl or a dead little boy and
we all go, well, gee, how could this have happened? Well,
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sometimes it's inevitable, you.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Know, Mark, You're right, inevitable. I feel like Audrey never
had a chance. I want to go back to Atlanta.
Shadwick joining us former judge, prosecutor now lawyer in this jurisdiction, Livingston, Texas.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
What now, Alanta, I mean, will anybody ever fess up?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah? I gave him a cheap deal. Yeah, I didn't prosecute. Yeah,
we didn't indict him. I mean, there's one thing after
the next, one offense after the next. This guy, for
Pete's sake, is using meth math of all things.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
Well, the Pole County District Attorney filed capital murder charges
on McDougall.
Speaker 9 (39:53):
And that was yesterday.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
He has no bond right now, and she's charged him
with capital murder because it involves a child ten years
to fifteen years old. So there's been something done about
this now.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
But if he had been prosecuted for sending penis pictures
we think lude photos to little girls, or if his
case hadn't been played down to nothing when he wrestled
the underwear and pj's off another little girl, he would
have been in jail and ought you to be alive today.
He would have been in daddy's camper in the backyard
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for Pete's sake.
Speaker 8 (40:32):
If he had been arrested in August for that aggravated
assault with a deadly weapon and who gave the.
Speaker 7 (40:41):
Father or the grandmother.
Speaker 9 (40:44):
Custody of this child, such that they're friends with McDougall.
And this is who you're gonna lack pick up your
daughter from the bus stop, or take her to the
bus stop, or take her to school.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
You know, how do you reconcile your Mark Chris McDonough
to the fact that the only thing we can do
now is get justice for this little girl. That's the
only thing left to do. She's not going to go
to high school. She's not going to go to Senior Prime.
She's not going to play basketball or softball for the school.
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She's not going to be a cheerleader. She's not going
to college. She's not going to marry and have children.
It's over, and she died a horrible death, and her
body is thrown in the cold, cold waters of a
running river, and all we're left with are pictures on
Facebook and a courtroom. We got to feel with the
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jury and get the death penalty. That's what we're gonna do.
Final thoughts Mark class Well.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Yeah, man, the death penalty hopefully ensures that this guy
will never get out of prison again. That's why the
death penalty needs to exist. There has to be a
line drawn in the sand to keep these guys, maybe
not into the execution house, but at least out of
society and keep them someplace isolated and segregated where they
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can never touch another innocent human being. It's the only
way to create public safety in a situation like this.
Speaker 10 (42:14):
Absolutely, situation is really oh.
Speaker 8 (42:17):
Death or life without parole, that's another option or life
not really?
Speaker 7 (42:22):
No, no, no, no, My life without parole changes all
the time, laws changed all the time. It's a situation
in California now where a lot of people that are
on death row might be getting resentenced.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah, do I have to say Charles Manson, he got
the DP Remember Mark, he got the death penalty from
how many people did he help kill? And then the
law changed and he had the rest of his rotten
life to have online friends, women wanting to have sex
with him, a website making money.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
That's what happens on Life without Parole and the disciple.
Speaker 7 (43:05):
That is willing to try to assassinate a president of
the United States to impress him. These guys are so
dastardly and so awful they have to be on death roll.
They have to be cut off society from society otherwise
they continue to have an influence.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Look, this is what I've got to say, and a
lot of people aren't going to like it. But it's
on you. Every prosecutor that let him off easy. It
took a cheap please so you wouldn't have to go
to trial. Everybody who didn't call police, Not you, Brian
the third.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Because you call police, you tried to do something.
Speaker 10 (43:40):
It's my fault too, Dacy. I should have pulled the
trigger that night.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, you at least got a piece of him with
the gun butt friend, Wow, and you call police.
Speaker 10 (43:50):
That's not enough.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Everybody that didn't put him in jail, everybody that turned
the other way, everybody that exposed this nazi set perfect
to their children.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
It's on you. We wait as just as unfals. Goodbye, friend,
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