August 14, 2025 • 58 mins
Jayden Spicer, 10, was last seen at 9pm when he went to bed. He was reported missing the next morning, just over 12 hours later.
Jayden Spicer is 5 feet, 1 inch tall, with blonde hair, blue eyes, and a slim build. He was last seen wearing blue "Sonic the Hedgehog" pajama pants and a matching shirt.
Jayden’s mother, Felicia Gross, too anxious to speak with the media, asks police to share a letter with them instead, begging for help. The search for Jayden includes an extensive search of his home and the area surrounding his home. Kentucky State Police are using aircraft, drones, K-9, and sonar.Friends, neighbors, and even politicians help search.
As the search grows, two of Jayden's aunts question some of the information they have been given. Again, police were told Jayden went to bed Tuesday night but was missing Wednesday morning. Chyy Salers and Samantha Bunty say a lot of the info they have been told "doesn't add up."
A week into the search, Felicia Gross leads police to the shallow grave where Jayden is buried.Gross says she gave her son some type of sleeping medication that she says caused a fatal medical emergency.
Gross is arrested.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Ben Powers - Criminal Defense Attorney, Facebook: Legal Powers PLLC, www.legalpowers.com
- Dr. Sue Cornbluth - Family and Relationship Expert, Owner of Dr. Sue & You, Author of “Building Self-Esteem in Children and Teens Who Are Adopted or Fostered “, www.DrSueAndYou.com, YouTube: DrSueAndYou
- Trooper Matt Gayheart - Kentucky State Police
- Dr. Thomas Coyne - Chief Medical Examiner, District 2 Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida; Forensic Pathologist, Toxicologist, Neuropathologist; X: @DrTMCoyne
- Sydney Sumner - Crime Stories Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Mommy begs for help, begging the public to help find
her missing little boy, Jaden. Now he's found in a
shallow grave and Mommy is suspect number one. I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Ten year old Jaden Speiser goes missing in the dead
of night. No witnesses, no streams, just a child gone
without a sound.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
First of all, who exactly is mommy? Say that from
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our new friend Ariel Hicks' his YouTube, and I would
like to see mommy at her finest again.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Let's just roll that beautiful footage.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Don't you ever say?
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Just away always? Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
That is from our new friend Ariel Hicks YouTube. Can
we get back to the missing child? Just ten years old?
The world on its ear looking for Jaden, and this
is where it starts.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Listen, a ten year.
Speaker 7 (01:52):
Old boy is missing and the Kentucky State Police is
asking for help to find him. Jaden Spicer was last
seen Tuesday night at nine pm. What you went to
bed and reported missing the next morning around nine to
twenty three am in the Panball Branch Road area. Trooper's
and local surgeon rescue teams are asking the public for help.
Jayden's five feet one inch tall, blonde hair, blue eyes,
slim build, glassing wearing a blue Sonic the Hedgehog, but
(02:15):
Jama pant in a matching shirt.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
When I think about my twins at age ten, so sweet,
so innocent, just scrubbed in sunshine. What a wild goose chase,
the pain so many people endured looking for this sweet
little boy, joining me an all star panel as suddenly
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the Kentucky State Police do an about face, a U turn,
coming to a screeching halt when they find this child's.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Body buried in a shallow grave.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Joining me first to Trooper Matt Gayheart with Kentucky State Police.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
The KSP worked this.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Like dogs, using every possible means of detection. Trooper, I
know you've covered a lot of missing children cases, and
you have worked them tirelessly. When you find a child
obviously killed in a shallow grave, not a child that
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gets lost in the forest, not a child that falls
in the pool by accident or drowns in a river,
all an accident been buried in a shallow grave. That
has gotten to be excruciating. After all, the hundreds of
man hours you guys put into finding this child.
Speaker 8 (03:42):
That's tract. You know, anytime you have a miss a child,
you go into it with the most hope that you're
going to retrieve that child and ring home safely. And
to have an end like this is just absolutely tragic.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You're seeing shots of ten year old Jaden now, and
the internet is saturated with it because seemingly the world
joined in in the search for this little boy. This
as mommy begs for help the whole time she knew
where her child was.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Jaden's mother, Felicia Gross, is too anxious to speak with
the media and ask police to share a letter instead.
She writes, we love Jaden and we want him.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Safe at home.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Please, if anyone sees my son Jaden Speicer, please report
it to the Jackson Police Department.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
We love him very much. Please do the right thing,
call the police. Please Pray for us and my son Jayden.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Thank you, Okay, sometimes even now I'm spaceless.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Pray for us.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And the whole time Mommy, according to police, had just
dug a hole to put her ten year old boy in.
You know, Tripper Matt and Gayheart. Did anyone get suspicious
when mommy would not give a police a public plea
for help.
Speaker 8 (05:02):
You know what, as we were searching, you know, the
first full day of surgeon, it takes a little while
to get all of your resources mobilized and on seemed
to start a conductive search at that time, and through
this first full day of surgeon, we started to think
that maybe he's not out there where we're looking.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Let me see the letter, please, I want to see
the letter that mommy put up.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
This is a letter mommy.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Refused to speak publicly and issue a plea for help.
This is the letter she had police read to Sydney
Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
What exactly happened right there?
Speaker 5 (05:39):
The media was contacting miss Felicia Gross, wanting her to
come out and speak with them about her missing son Jaden,
and she didn't want to go on TV, so instead
she wrote this letter asking for help.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
She couldn't bring herself.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
To be on TV because she had too much of
a guilty conscience. Because we know she wasn't camera shy.
We watched the other video. She clearly is pretty confident
in herself. So I'm thinking it was that guilty conscience
knowing that she falsely reported her son missing and had
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people looking for him, she wasn't looking for him herself.
And we know that Jaden has siblings, but Miss Selicia
Gross wasn't out there looking.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
For her own child.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
So I think that's why she may have been a
little bit too nervous to go on TV.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Okay, you know what, I didn't know that. That's a
mean fact for me.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Trouper Matt Gayheart joining us helping to lead an exhaustive search.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
For this child? Is that true?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Is that true that not only does she not speak
publicly asking people to help find her child or encouraging
all of the volunteers out there, she also did not
search herself.
Speaker 8 (06:56):
In themediate area at all.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Okay, Ben Powers yet ready?
Speaker 6 (07:01):
I hope you're ready for round one.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Powers veteran criminal defense attorney and you can find him
at legalpowers dot com. Ben, you know what, you need
to go ahead and finish that first book about how
not to behave when you've done something horrible and one
of those it reminds me of Scott Peterson.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Uh, that's like eating a dirt.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Sandwich, who wouldn't make a public plea for his wife's return,
and who also wouldn't go search for her? I mean
rule number one, at least pretend to search, at least pretend.
Speaker 9 (07:35):
Well, so Nancy is a stressful situation, and you don't
know how you're going to react in.
Speaker 10 (07:40):
That type of situation.
Speaker 9 (07:41):
And so to read into all these things that, oh,
this must mean that because she acted this way, or
it must mean this one specific thing because she did
it do a certain thing. I mean, that's a lot
of speculation, and that's a very specific conclusion that you're
trying to reach on nothing other than your own opinion.
Speaker 10 (07:58):
For the conclusion you already want.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
To go to second verse, same as the first. So
do you have children? Are you blessed enough to have children?
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Ben Powers? I do, okay?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And are you actually telling me if your child went missing,
you would sit on your can watching ESPN while other
people are out looking for your child.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Is that what you're trying to say?
Speaker 10 (08:18):
I would think that I would go out.
Speaker 9 (08:20):
But what I would say also is I've seen a
lot of different cases with a lot of different stressful, shocking,
panic situations, and you never know how someone's going to react.
Sometimes they react the way you expect, sometimes they don't
but you can't read into that a very specific conclusion
either way. It's just human nature is you never know
how you're going to react to stressful situations, to shocking situations.
(08:44):
I mean, I can't read anything into her reaction other
than that's how she reacted. And you can't say how
what the right reaction is or what the wrong reaction is.
Speaker 10 (08:55):
The reaction is just the react right, and there's not
much w to it.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Okay, Ben Powers, you save that for a jury, Okay,
because that's where this is headed right now. After begging
the public, begging the public in a written plea to
help find her child, hundreds of volunteers out there, the
Kentucky State Police sweating bullets trying to find this child.
Let's take a look. Oh there's the letter. Please show me,
(09:20):
show me Jaden, Wait till you hear what she now
says happened to her little boy. And to doctor Sue
Cornblue joining us family expert, owner of doctor Sue and
You and author of Building Self Esteem and Children and
Teens Adopted or Fostered. And you can find her at
doctor Sue and You dot com. Amazing site. By the way,
(09:45):
doctor Sue, thank you for being with us. I'm just
a trial lawyer. I'm just a JD. You are the
veteran shrink. So maybe this is wrong to project, but
don't you know every juror that may end up hearing
this case is going to do the same thing. I
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wouldn't sit on my rear end watching HGTV while one
of my twins were out there.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
God only knows where.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
No, no, no, And I can project a memory when
my son, my daughter, and I there were about two
or three, went to a big, huge Baby's or US
superstore looking for organic sun tannlotion because I got shamed
at the community pool for using regular suntanlotion. And I
(10:33):
looked up and Lucy was standing there, but there was
no John David. I picked her up like a football
like star quarterback and started running through this big warehouse, screaming,
my baby is missing, locked the doors. Everybody helped me,
screaming his name. I felt like electricity had run through me.
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Little did I know he was playing a game with
mommy and hiding on a row a few up. But
I ran the other way right. I ran toward the door,
thinking if somebody had him, they would leave. When he
had was hiding the other way. So I'm projecting what
I went through in those moments. Don't you think a
jury would do the same thing.
Speaker 11 (11:16):
I absolutely do, Nancy, And what you said is a
normal reaction to how a mother would feel if her
child was missing. So you know, I don't know what
this woman was feeling or wasn't feeling, but that note
that she wrote says that she.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Missed him and wanted everybody.
Speaker 11 (11:37):
To go search for him. So with that in mind,
maybe the jewry will actually think she had some remorners.
But we'll have to find out and see what happens there.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Okay, let me ask a troaper, Matt Gayheart Trouper again,
thank you for being with us. What was the reaction
amongst your people, super Gayheart when it was discovered that Jaden.
I haven't really let myself think about it because as
a mom, you tend to put yourself in those shoes,
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and the thought of one of my children being in
a shallow grave is just too much. But I'm wondering
about the troopers and the volunteers that find him, that
find his little body. It had to be like a
(12:35):
gut punch, a kicked to the teeth after all you
guys had been through. I mean, you did it, all
the drones, the dogs, the bodies of water, the shoulder
to shoulder searches for him, and then it comes to this.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
What was the reaction amongst the troopers?
Speaker 8 (12:58):
Nice is the only way that I can describe It
is just pure, just gut rich and devastation. Like I said,
you know, we keep so much hope alive in the search,
and we're doing all these things trying to bring him
home safely, and when you see the ending is just
absolutely tragic. It is a father of young children, and
majority of our guys have young children. It's just such
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a hard situation to do. But you have to put
that aside and try to maintain professionalism and make sure
that we do a thorough investigation that may make sure
that we bring justice to Jaden.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know, another thing powers the defense attorney such as
yourself is going to have to deal with is the
fact of how many days, how many hours? You know,
I would break it down today's to hours to minutes.
How long mommy sat on her rear end when she
wasn't singing. I came in like a wrecking ball on video.
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How long she sat still and said nothing. I'm going
to put it to you like it is powers and
let her child's body decompose in the dirt.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
How long she sat there?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
What did she have coffee in the morning? Did she
watch the morning shows? Did she kick back and watch
the Little Real Housewives? I would really be interested. She
rented a movie.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
While everybody else.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's a fun thing for you to do, Trooper, is
to find out what she was doing while everyone else
was searching.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
For her child. Did she order Uber eats her door dash?
Did she online shop?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
What was she doing while you, Trooper, were out looking
for her child, and more so knowing that with each
minute that passed, her baby's body was decomposing in the dirt,
unprotected from the element.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
You ever thought about that?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Have you ever thought about tracing her activities while you
were out sweating bullets away from your family looking for
him this sweet little boy.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
Yeah, all that stuff has been taken into consideration, and
you know her movements. We're being washed and tracked and
that's all part of the investigation and we hope to
be able to answer that in the future.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
In the last hours, we learned that after begging, begging,
the public, to help find her child. Mommy sat in
her house as her child decomposed, knowing he was buried
in a shallow grave. And if you can imagine it,
it gets worse. We are now hearing allegations she coached
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her other children to lie about what happened. But when
police arrive at the scene, they immediately start the search.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Listen up born unitsils saying they immediately began a search
of the immediate area, followed by a larger scale search
that's been followed out in conjunction with the Breath County
Merchant Management along with multiple search and risk of teams
from Fox fifty six.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
As detectives searched the woods and fields around his home,
Jade's mother issues a public statement begging for her son's
safe return while hiding a secret she thought would never
be uncovered.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
In the last hours, we're learning a lot as we
go to air tonight. Tell me Sidney Sumner was mommy
spotted at McDonald's.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
According to Facebook posts from some very.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Angry locals who spent their time volunteering who are familiar
with this family, she was spotted at McDonald's grabbing food
while others.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Were out in the heat in.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
The wilderness, dealing with the bugs, going through very thick wood.
It is areas looking for any sign of Jaden. I
mean people were looking through piles of garbage for any
clue of any sign of this missing little boy. And
she's stuffing her face with a burger. Okay, you know
what that's bringing out? The horrible specter.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
He's raising his head like a monster. Scott Peterson, remember
remember this, Sydney Sumner. You and I covered this together.
We about fell out when a detective told us. And
this was recent because it did not come in at
Lacey's murder trial, Lacey and Connor's. We were talking to
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I think it was Brokeeni, you and I and he
said that when Scott Peterson was told, we just got
the DNA results from the two bodies that washed up
on San Francisco Bay and it is Lacey and Connor.
Within five minutes, within five minutes, Scott Peterson asked if
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he could stop it in and out for a double
double with cheese, a large fry, and some kind of
a frosty drink. He just got told your wife and
child are dead. Those are their bodies, and he wanted
a double double whatever that is so obviously it did
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not affect Mommy's appetite. Another thing Sidney summer, and again
I'm projecting in doctor Sue Cornblue's gonna have a field
day with this. After my fiance was murdered, I remember losing.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Down to eighty nine pounds.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
The thought of food nauseated me, and I can still
remember the first thing I consumed. I was staying at
my mom and Dad said, and went into the fridge
and drank some orange juice. I remember that moment that
I finally wanted to drink something. Now tell me again,
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how did we find out? You actually found out? How
did you find out? Mommy is chowing down and McDonald's
while her son is missing and she knows he's in
a shallow, gray, decomposing Jackson.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Locals who know this family, who are familiar with Jaden
from school, who have seen Felicia Gross around town are angry.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
They are up.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
And they are posting about all of the things that
she did and didn't.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Do during the search for her missing son.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
So someone said, oh, I saw her at McDonald's getting
food while.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Other people are out looking for her kid. So people are.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Not happy about this situation and that she blatantly lied
and led people to believe there was hope to bring
Jaden home safely.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Well, another thing, taking Gayheart and all of his people
away from their families to look for her son the night,
through the elements, walking shoulder to shoulder, coming up with
everything they could. While she's said, McDonald's been powers. Now,
what were you saying about how people react? There's no
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playbook for grief blood blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
And now mommy spotted with a big mac chowing down.
Speaker 10 (20:22):
I mean yeah, I mean that's still you gotta eat.
Speaker 9 (20:25):
You can't just stop eating completely, So I mean I
can see how that can be spunny.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
I mean the same is true. I mean you have
to eat. I mean she's got to keep living. I
mean that doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
That nasty wet hay, and you spun it out into gold.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Rumble Stiltskin.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Crime stories with Nancy Greece, doctor Sue Cornblueth. We clearly
need a shrink. Okay, if mommy has taken to her
bed and can't even get out of bed because of grief,
I can understand that. But mommy chowing down at McDonald's
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on a MacNeil.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That ain't gonna play with a jury.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Doctor. This is infuriating.
Speaker 11 (21:23):
Okay, she's out having a big mac or whatever while
her child is missing. You know, Nancy, this is screaming
to me.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Liar liar. And I don't know what is going on here,
if it's a mental illness or what.
Speaker 11 (21:37):
But I'm thinking about Canthany right now, and not in
a great way. That's some of the same stuff is
going on here, you know. To me, Nancy, seems like
it's a mother doesn't want her child.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Oh you just said something really really smart, doctor, Sue,
you just touched You just stepped on a landmine.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Because I've got some news for you.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
But I want to first hold on a where I
lose this thought Trooper, Matt Gaheart joining us trouper. I'm
sure you love it when people give you suggestions for
your investigation. Why don't you and then they fill in
the blank, see a psychic consultantarot cars, blah blak.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
It goes on forever.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
But I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna go out on
a limb.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I wish you guys would pull the McDonald's video and
just watch her demeanor. Maybe at the drive through was
she happy and cherry. What did she order?
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Did she start eating.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Right then when she got in the food before she
could even get on the street.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Did she go in?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I hope she goes in so I could watch in
detail mommy chowing down while you're out looking for her son,
which she knows his remains are in a shallow gray.
So we've got the McDonald's videotape. I'm happy to get
it for you. I don't know how I'm gonna do it,
but I bet I could and her HBO, Showtime, Netflix,
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Amazon usage while you're out searching. You know, she was
holed up in her room with Acon Chowandow on McDonald's
watching pay per view, and I want to find out
every single thing she wants. Just a thought, I got
some more news for you, Sidney Sumner. Doctor Sue Cornblooth
(23:17):
just said something really interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
She didn't want a child.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Okay, can you enlighten us about what you found out
about who was raising him up until three months ago.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Well, we don't know much, but we do know that
Jaden's grandmother was really his primary caretaker, and we don't
know much else about the home situation. Felicia Gross is
married to Josh Gross, and that is Jaden's stepdad. We
don't know much about Jaden's biological father, but it seems
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that his grandmother was his primary caretaker.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
And there's also.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Siblings in this family, maybe half siblings, maybe for siblings.
So it's unclear if Jaden ever really saw his mom
on a regular basis before his grandmother passed away.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Now isn't that quite the coincidence? Trooper Gayheart, another brick
in the wall, I'd be on that like White on Rice.
So grandma is raising the boy just ten years old,
he's still a baby. Mommy gets him and three months
later he's in a shallow grave dead, so obviously she
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did not want him. She gets him back and then bam,
he's dead. Sid did the grandma pass away?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Actually just recently? And Felicia Gross also two years in jail,
so two years of Jaden's life. She was actually behind
bars on different charges, all child endangerment and then later
drug and wet in charges.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Strooper matt a Gayheart. I mean, the.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Grandma is clearly in feeling health and she gives Jaden
back to mom and within three months he's dead. I mean,
can you imagine the life he led before Grandma took him.
I mean, my grandmother, Lucy, who would named my daughter after,
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helped raise us while my parents worked, and those were.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
It was amazing. I mean, dirt poor.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But so much love, and that's what he had with
his grandma. Then she starts going downhill and dies, but
she gives the boy to mommy, and now he's dead.
I mean, just the heartbreak of that. I mean, do
you ever just sit in your car and cry and
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just like, oh, how it could have been so easily avoidable,
but it wasn't.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
I hate to sit and think about I'm just such
a senseless killing and such an innocent child losing his
life for no reason at all other than the fact
that you don't want to take responsibility and raise your child.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Day two of the search for ten year old Jada
includes an extensive search of his home and the area
is surrounding his home Kentucky State Police using aircraft, drones, canines,
and sonar. The area of searched is in the eastern
part of Kentucky, about an hour and a half southeast
of Lexington, in the community of Jackson in Breathitt County.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
So we've utilized resources from KSPR draft. We've used drones
from multiple different sources. We've also used canines and people
walking all foot through the eels searching for any top
of clues or evidence where somebody may have been. We've
also used solar to check waterways in close proximity to
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that is that spoil. We've also used flear, which is
a great technology search for missing.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
People from our friends ed wk YT.
Speaker 12 (27:09):
The area surrounding the home and areas he is most familiar,
searched by the best resources available. Now, the family of
Jaden's raising money for a reward to help bring the
boy home. Jaden's and Samantha Bunty launched to go fundme
campaign to raise for cash reward. Priest father Jim Sichko
is also offering a reward for the safe return of Jaden.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
Unfortunately, we've not been able to locate a lot of
evidence suggests that he would be close by O Soul. Unfortunately,
we're kind of the same same support we were when
we started the search.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
For our friends Fox fifty six and joining us is
that trooper helped leading the search, Trooper Matt Gayheart. I'm
going to go to Thomas, doctor Thomas Coin in just
a moment. But first Trooper Gayheart what raising money to
find Jaden, and Mommy just sits on our thumb while
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money is being raised to help find Jada.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
And you've even got the.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Priest father Jim offering his own money as a reward
for information, and Mommy sits there munching a burger.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Seriously, Yeah, you.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
Know, we tried literally everything to get information in this investigation.
It turned to us right quickly that what we were
doing wasn't going to work. So the community together and
try to get some punts together to get somebody to
come forward with some information that would lead us to Jaden.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I would put my two eyes on that money because
if that money goes in mommy's pocket, oh yeah, all
htal going to break loose. In this studio, guys, listen
to the heartbreak that some of the troopers were going through.
As stated by our guest, Listen, you think about.
Speaker 8 (28:59):
A ten year old chick who is if he wanted it,
away from the residents and is by himself walking through
the forest. He's gotten old resources with them, so you're
racing against the clock as far as getting him home safely.
We must continue, hope, but unfortunately at this point where
we're at an investigation, it's a race against the clock.
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We're essentially at kind of our last leg. We need
to do how we relocate him immediately.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That's sound from our friends at Fox fifty six. It
really struck me as you're out there literally beating the bushes.
You use the dogs, you used radar, you did everything
you could, you organize search after search after search, and
you were talking at one point how you were thinking
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about a ten year old child who's wandered away and
is alone in this forest. He's gotten nothing with him,
maybe not even shoes, nothing to drink, nothing to eat.
Tell me about the terrain you search, Trooper Gayheart.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
Majority of that area is very steep, very rugged terrain.
It's very overgrown with dense vegetation. Soul for searchers, it
was really difficult to traverse that terrain. I can't imagine
a ten year old being able to just run them
up through it.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Ten years old, ten years old out in that rough
Kentucky terrain. When, if at all, did it go through
your mind, Trooper that he did not wander away.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
We started having speculations around the second day of the search,
which was the first full day of having all of
our search and rescue crews out there about that time,
where we wouldn't find any evidence suggesting that anybody was
out there. So at that time we started thinking, maybe
we're looking at a situation where we're chasing our tails here.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Regardless of the mom there were two aunties that raised
the red flag.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Listen, there's some stuff.
Speaker 10 (31:08):
That just doesn't ad a in this case.
Speaker 13 (31:11):
And as two aunts and mothers, we've.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Questioned a lot of the information.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Ourselves, friends, neighbors, even politicians helping search.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
For ten year old Jaden.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
In a nightmare, two of Jaden's aunts, questioning information police
were told Jaden went to bed Tuesday night but was
missing Wednesday morning. Aunts Chai Sellers and Samantha Bunty say
a lot of the info doesn't add up. Jaden would
never venture out in the dark and climb the rugged
terrain surrounding his home.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yes, who would?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And you know another thing that's interesting, and we've seen
this in other cases Sydney summer.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
By the way, that original sound was from our friends
at WSMV four Sidney. We've seen this in other cases
where children allegedly wandered out at night and all their
shoes were still in the home and the only thing
missing would be them and the piece days that they
were wearing the night before. So you've got to believe
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this child would go out in the middle of the
night without shoes, not wearing any clothes, and wander so
far away from home, didn't wake up any dogs, nothing
like that, didn't set off a burglar alarm, nothing, and
gets lost in the middle of the night.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
That's what we were supposed to believe. I mean, at
stuck time, haven't at the get go. It just doesn't
make sense.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
His aunts say that Jaden was terrified of bugs, and
bugs are especially worse in the summertime. So for them
to say, to be told that Jayden wandered out of
the house in the middle of the night in the heat,
with all of the bugs that he's terrified of, they
immediately knew that something wasn't right. And for Jaden to
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have not woken any of his siblings when he left
in the overnight hours or in the morning, and this
was a long period of time that nobody saw him.
Nine o'clock at night to nine am in the morning.
That's a long time for a child whose age to
sleep uninterrupted without making a keep. So I think people
were very suspicious of mommy's story from the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
You know, to Trooper Matt Gayheart, what was mommy's story
at the get go?
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Did she ever mention, you know, I just don't see
him going out in that terrain.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
He hates bugs and mosquitoes, He wouldn't do it. Did
she ever say anything like that? And then the Aunties
raise the alarm that this was just didn't make any sense.
What was her original story?
Speaker 8 (33:40):
Trooper reported that while they were sleeping at the Fowell
family went to better just shortly after nine pm. At
some point during the night into the early morning hours,
Jaden had left the residence that was now missing. They
didn't check on that job until just a little after
nine am the following morning, so you have a twelve
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hour gap there that we're trying to pin down exactly
maybe when this child left the residence.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
So her story was he goes to sleep and she
wakes him up, goes to wake him up at nine am,
and he's not in his bed.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
That's the story, right, that's correct.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Another fun thing for the troopers to do would be
to go in the home and see if any shoes
were taken. Actually, you don't need to do that because
you know how his body was found. What was he
wearing Trooper when his body was found?
Speaker 8 (34:29):
That information we do don't though, just as part of
the investigation. A lot of that stuff it looked into.
That's taken to the Medical Exander's office for analysis. So
that's stuff we'll be able to answer a little further
down in an investigation.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You know doctor Sue, doctor Sue at Cornbluoth joining us
family Expert. You can find her at doctor Sue and
you dot com. See that's something a mom would know
or should know. For instance, mosquitos never my son. They
always bite my daughter always, and when she goes outside.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
That's something she and I think about.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
She would never do this, She would never go out
that way and get eaten up by mosquitoes. I'm just
I'm just thinking why it had to be the Aunties
that put this out there, that the story doesn't add up,
that he would never do this and not the mom.
And I know Ben Powers is going to say, that's
not hard direct evidence such as DNA or fingerprint, but
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it's circumstantial evidence, very strong circumstantial evidence to me.
Speaker 11 (35:36):
To me, this is a mom that doesn't know our
child at all. Look, Nancy, you know what's screaming at
me right now. One she was in jail for a
year for child endangerment. So we cannot just throw.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
That out like that never happened.
Speaker 11 (35:53):
You know, I don't know what happened, but to me,
it seems like she has the possibility of abusing her children.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
I want to say.
Speaker 11 (35:59):
One thing here that a lot of people don't know
this term, but it's called unwanted child fill aside.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
And what that means is that you do not want your.
Speaker 11 (36:09):
Child, and you want to go off and have a
life of freedom, and you see your child as an object,
not as a human being. And I'm just thinking to myself,
this is probably what is going on right here. This
is a mother that had a lot of problems, probably
didn't want to be a parent. He was acting out
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and she is at it, and perhaps she said I'm
just going to discard him now.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Then a new lead emerges, Tector's responding to the location
and initiated a search.
Speaker 8 (36:43):
Shortly thereafter, approximately three pu the remainings of Jaden's sponsor
were discovered buried at the set.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
The brother.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Kuncorn's office responded and pronounce the child deceased. The remains
will be transported to the Medical Examiner's Office of Frankfort
for an autopsy. This insident has now transitioned from a
missing person investigation into an active and ongoing criminal investigation.
Is our top priority to protect the integrity of this
investigation and seek justice for Jacob.
Speaker 14 (37:14):
Yes, my love, that there is a lady you come
up our door and she's some guy that jumping into
a red light of her car, put her two kids
in it, and he took off and he got out
of the car here at Ohio and he's got a head, Yes,
ma'am at her call, and I don't hear ripercle and
I I need to come along getting down here, and
a car is but we need to have the we
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can of acting up.
Speaker 11 (37:39):
A modal protege.
Speaker 14 (37:40):
What color was it? A burgundy mignal protege.
Speaker 10 (37:44):
We don't get him going pay him.
Speaker 14 (37:46):
They got two keys.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
I'll hoold to whoever has my children that they please,
I mean, please bring them home to us.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Save it.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Susan Smith, use that in your next appeal to get
out from behind bars. That's from our friends at wyff Wow,
an eerie similarity. While that mommy knows her sons are
at the bottom of a lake in her car, belted
in their seat belts by her, she's begging for the
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public to help find them and actually blames some mythic
guy that comes up and carjacks them. But she's not
the only parent who kills their child and then begs
for people like Trooper Matt Gayheart to go find them.
Speaker 15 (38:40):
Listen, Bella, Celeste, if you're out there, just just come back.
Like if somebody has her, just please bring her back.
I need to see everybody. I need to see everybody again.
This house is not complete without anybody here.
Speaker 13 (38:58):
Daddy, you're well.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
He helped me grow up. He helped me so good too.
Speaker 13 (39:09):
He leaves me with time Nations, Great daddy, Daddy.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
And love you from our friends.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
At den verse seven, of course, that is the devil
Chris Watts, and he says, I need to see everybody again.
Well you're not because they're in heaven and that is
not where you're going, Watts. No, you're gonna be literally
on the hot seat having supper with Satan. He murdered
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his wife, Shenan Watts. He murdered Bella and Celeste, his
little children, and forced their bodies into openings in oil
tankers at Darko oil fills. And the containers were about
that wide at the top, and he shoved their bodies down,
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ripping the skin off the baby's arms. The wife, Shenan,
was pregnant. She was buried in a shallow grave and
severed coffin birth. She delivered baby Nico in the grave
post mortem.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, okay, listen to this.
Speaker 16 (40:34):
Oh my daughter Fayer, I need to find her.
Speaker 6 (40:39):
Your daughter admitted that the baby is where.
Speaker 16 (40:42):
You turd of took her month ago. To that my
daughter's been looking for I told you my daughter was
missing four months. I just found her today that I
can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me she's
been trying to find her herself. There's something wrong.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I found my daughter's.
Speaker 16 (40:57):
Carts were day and then sent a dead body.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Okay, what is the three year old's name?
Speaker 16 (41:02):
Kayley?
Speaker 14 (41:03):
C A y l E E.
Speaker 16 (41:05):
Anthony.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
That, like the current case, was the loving grandmother Cindy Anthony.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
She and husband.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
George had been taking care of Kelley all along, while
top mom Casey Anthony sat on the sofa and eight
chips watching TV, pretending she had a job, even going
so far as to wear the uniform from Universal. I mean,
but here is taught mom herself on the phone asking
for help to find her.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Daughter that prosecutors say she killed.
Speaker 6 (41:37):
Listen, you last saw.
Speaker 16 (41:38):
Her a month ago forty one?
Speaker 14 (41:40):
Dy from one? Who have her?
Speaker 6 (41:45):
Do you a name?
Speaker 16 (41:47):
Her name is Ravas Fernando's due wallis who is that?
Speaker 5 (41:52):
Maybe?
Speaker 16 (41:53):
She has been my nanny for.
Speaker 14 (41:55):
Suty year and almost two years?
Speaker 16 (41:57):
Why why are you calling now? Why didn't you call
three one day? As I've been looking for her and
has gone through other resources to try to find her.
Speaker 10 (42:05):
So tr're stupid?
Speaker 6 (42:07):
No, she wasn't.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
She was slung up at her boyfriend's place, living with
him in his roommates. That's sexy, that said All the while,
Kelly's body was decomposing, as were Bella and Celeste, as
were Susan Smith's Little Boys.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 6 (42:38):
To Dodger.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Thomas Coin, renowned chief Medical Examiner District to Medical Examiner's Office,
State of Florida. Never a lack of business in Florida.
A forensic pathologist, toxicologist, and euro pathologist. Doctor con Mommy
has said, Trooper, what did she say that Jaden died of?
(43:03):
What a medical emergency?
Speaker 8 (43:06):
That's correct, from some sleeping medication.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
As she had given him a medical emergency caused by her.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Okay, so translation, according to her.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
She owed ed him on some kind of a sleeping
formula like Benadriel.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
I don't know what it is yet.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
So the medical emergency that we know of right now
is mommy IND's, doctor Thomas Coin. You know, when children
pass out or they are not waking up after they've
had too many mans, typically parents call nine one one. Okay,
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We've seen this claim before at trial top mom Casey
Anthony claimed that Keilly died in the pool, but instead
of calling the ambulance or having a funeral, she was
just put in black plastic trash bags and thrown in swamp. Okay,
see that is just screams lie, doctor Thomas Coin, I
(44:07):
need you and I need you now. How since his
body has been decomposing, will we be able to get
a cod cause of TAM sure, hope.
Speaker 17 (44:16):
So it depends upon the amount of decomposition. So I'm
assuming that since he was identified at the time the
body was recovered, that hopefully he has not decomposed enough
to still have tissue present.
Speaker 10 (44:30):
The number one may allow.
Speaker 17 (44:31):
You to see if he had any trauma, you know,
if he was asphyxiated or beaten, stab what have you.
But more importantly, with regards to toxicology, enough tissue left
to test for various substances, so you can test if
there's any blood or bodily fluids. You can certainly use that,
but we can also go to tissue, and we certainly
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have hopefully tissue president that would allow us to find
those answers.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Okay, doctor Coin, I didn't want to interrupt. I didn't
want to the words you said, but could you please
break it down? When you say get tissue? What does
that mean? A fingernail, a toenail, hair, Is it blood?
Speaker 6 (45:10):
Is it urine? And how do you get it? Is
it skin?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
What do you mean by tissue? Do you go in it,
stuck out a part of the liver sale? What does
that mean? And how do you do it? And you
also said, I know this is a compound question disallowed
in court, but I think you can handle it. What
do you mean by determining if he was asphyxiated or
literature strangled or bludgeon. How do you look at the
body and tell that's what happened.
Speaker 17 (45:35):
So let's assume this is a normal body who just
died recently. So you're going to begin with an external
examination looking at their body from head to toe, looking
for signs of injury, so bruising, sad marks, lacerations, any
particular injury. After the external examination is done, we proceed
inward and we look at all of the body cavities,
including with inside the skull, examine the brain, examine all
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of the organs internally, the tissues after they're reflected, and
that allows us to see what injuries may be present.
So if a person was strangled, you may very well
see injuries on the neck, bruising on the outside of
the neck, abrasions, scratch marks. As we remove the skin
or reflect the skin backwards, you may see hemorrhaging in
the neck, muscles, fracturing of the cartilage or bones in
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the neck, things that suggest that there were pressure applied
to the neck. You may also see soft signs like
particular hemorrhages in the face. But if the person was beaten,
you may see it fractures, bleeding within the head or
the brain itself. So those are the findings we look
for to identify injury. When a person is decomposed, it
gets much more difficult because as a tissue begins to
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break down, fluids will travel throughout tissues. It's maybe hard
to identify an injury. Also, the injury may be gone,
so the person may have been stabbed and the area
that was stabbed, or a person was shot with the gun.
Let's say those tissues may be going simply due to decomposition,
but also due to scavenging activity from animals and insects.
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With regards to toxicology, when we're doing the autopsy, we
can actually access the veins on the body using needles,
just like you wouldn't office setting to obtain blood. But
once we open the body, we have access to all
of their organs. We have access to the fluid and
the eye, We have access to the bile and the gallbladder,
and we can actually use the organ tissues themselves, for instance,
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deliver the brain the kidney to also test for toxicology.
So that's what I mean by having access the tissue
and access to fluids, there's a lot of potential material
there that we can use to hopefully find that cause
of death.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Wow, now I know why you're the chief Medical Examiner
in District Team Medical Examiner's Office.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
State of Florida. That was a lot.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I was taking notes as quickly as I could, but
needless to say, now I know how you get the samples.
I know what you mean and in your experience, isn't
it true, doctor Coin? That very often if there is
a ligature strangling or even a manual strangulation, you can
look at the body with the naked eye and tell
that's what happened. You don't have to look at the
particuari in the eye. Of course, you follow up with
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that to see if it was burst. But you can
look and see the damage around the neck. You can
see stab wounds, you can see lant force trauma. I'm
just curious, but you did squirts a little perfume on
the pig there when you said scavenger activity break it down?
Speaker 17 (48:29):
Sure? So I mean the second you die. First of all,
we are full of bacteria internally within our sinuses, our mouth,
within our gullet. So the second you die in your
immune system is no longer active. Your bacteria will begin
to eat you. And if you're outside in the heat,
that bacteria will grow exponentially, So that's the first thing. Secondarily,
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you have insects all around you in the environment, especially below.
Flies will land the pie deposit eggs. Those eggs will
hatch and we'll assume the bodily tissues and bodily fluids.
But also you have other scavengers and by that I
mean birds like vultures, or you have rodents. You have
other predators that maybe in the area that come upon
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the body, smell the process of decomposition, the volatile organic substances,
even in a shallow grave, they'll be looking for that
and they may actually walk away with portions of the body.
Sometimes they walk away with the portion of the body
that allows you to determine the cause of death. And
so you hope those processes don't occur, and if they do,
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it may make it difficult for you to determine how
that person died.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Mindpowers, vultures, rodents, rats taking parts of this boy's body.
If they do not seek the DP, I will do
a backflip.
Speaker 9 (49:49):
I mean, that's pretty aggressive to go to death penalty
based on what I mean.
Speaker 10 (49:56):
What we have is a death that we don't know
the cause of death.
Speaker 9 (50:00):
Yet you know she does have child endangerment in her
past that could be physical abuse, but it could be.
But she also has charges in her past for drugs
and having him around drugs and using drugs around the
child and this situation.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Please, are you about to say that she had a
drug habit and so I should feel sorry for her?
Speaker 9 (50:18):
I know, well, her explanation so far is that she
gave sleeping medicine to her son. He may have gotten
into her drugs, or she may have given him a
drug she shouldn't have.
Speaker 10 (50:28):
Had, freaked out and realized that's bad for her.
Speaker 9 (50:31):
This is a bad situation, And so you're using everything
that happened after to try to say, oh, this is premeditated,
when really it could just be a panic reaction.
Speaker 10 (50:40):
Plus there is a stepfather that we haven't been talking
about at all. I mean, I'm hard pressed.
Speaker 9 (50:45):
To believe this mother alone in the dead of night,
drove twenty miles to the thick woods, dug a shallow grave,
and got home before anyone knew she was gone by herself.
Speaker 10 (50:56):
I mean, there's a lot more to them.
Speaker 18 (50:57):
So she worn't coach the children to lie hold on
Sidney Sumner, there may be witnesses, and I'm sure Gayheart
doesn't relish the idea of questioning and interrogating little children,
but that's his duty, whether.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
He likes it or not. Isn't it true that mommy
is also accused of tampering with witnesses, i e. The siblings,
telling them to lie about what happened.
Speaker 6 (51:21):
Yes, yes, she is.
Speaker 5 (51:22):
She is charged with tampering with witnesses for coaching Jaden's
siblings on what to say to police about what happened
to him. So we don't know what they saw. We
don't know if they were in the car while she
made this trip, if Jaden was asleep next to them.
Speaker 6 (51:40):
In bed and didn't wake up.
Speaker 5 (51:42):
We don't know what these children witnessed and what she
told them to not think about, or how she explained
this way to them.
Speaker 6 (51:53):
I'm sure it's a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
No matter what you say it, Sydney, coaching them, you
mean asking them to lie. That would be my argument
at trial, and I want to stress and I can't
stress it enough.
Speaker 6 (52:05):
She is innocent.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Tonight as we go to air, she is innocent.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
It is the duty of the state to prove her
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Now, what be Empowers doesn't
want you to hear is the rest of that statement
to prove her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. She's presumed
innocent unless and until the state pierces the presumption of
innocence with proof. Trooper Gayheart, the thought of this boy
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out there in the elements, and when I heard doctor
con talk about rodents, rats, vultures potentially taking pieces of
his body, it's you know, I think I would just
go jump off a cliff if I didn't have my twins.
Speaker 6 (53:02):
To live for.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
About the meanness in the world. And you know we
earlier reported you got a tip that led.
Speaker 6 (53:12):
You to this location? Who led you to the body?
Speaker 8 (53:18):
So information that we received came from Mom herself. She
give us the location of where she had taken Jaden
and buried him.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Okay, Trooper Gayheart is not revealing secret facts. We found
that out from other sources. So I'm sure of being
Powers defense attorney will want Mammy to get a gold
star for leading to the body. Oh, that's not happening.
I'm going to use that against her. How does she
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know where the body was?
Speaker 1 (53:51):
I guess you're going to conjure up the stepfather and
say she was along for the ride.
Speaker 9 (53:54):
She made very well then, I mean she made the
initial board with the public letter asking for help him.
You know, I know you made a big deal about
her going to McDonald's. But she does have the other children.
I mean, if she's coaching them to a lot, she's
got to feed them, and kids like McDonald's, and you
want to make a big deal about her, you know
movies that she rented, Well, if she's renting movies that
kids would watch.
Speaker 10 (54:14):
That shows that she's taking care of the kids that
she has with her.
Speaker 9 (54:18):
And so then she makes the ultimate report that leads
investigators to the exact site of this young boy, and
so that certainly has to raise questions of what was
her role, who else might be involved, what really happened here?
Speaker 10 (54:32):
And I think a lot of.
Speaker 9 (54:33):
That might be answered through what I'm sure investigators are doing,
which is getting search warts for phones for the home
and waiting on the forensics from the autopsy to come
back to maybe get a more clear story. And again
I have a hard time believing that she would have
done all this by herself without anyone knowing, you know.
(54:53):
And so there's a lot more to the story. But
she did make the initial report, and she made the
ultimate report that found her son. It sounds like in
between she was taking care of for other kids, and
so I think that certainly colors the picture in a
different way than you know, what you were saying about
the death penalty and things like that.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
I think that's oh yeah, she was taking care of
her children in powers.
Speaker 6 (55:14):
Hey, I'll give you a cheeseburger if you lie to
the cops. That works.
Speaker 9 (55:19):
I can't really love that because there's a bigger story
to it with others involved.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I'm only laughing because my alternative is to cry or
to just my head blow off. Right now, we are
now learning that earlier today, mommy makes a first appearance
in court.
Speaker 6 (55:38):
What happened? Said?
Speaker 5 (55:39):
Felicia Gross pleaded not guilty to all of the charges
against her.
Speaker 6 (55:44):
So she appeared in court. She was read her rights
and her charges, and she said, I did not do
this and this will eventually go to a jury trial.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
Yes, you're seeing video from our friends at WK. Why
Mommy in court saying what, I'm not guilty.
Speaker 6 (56:04):
I had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
Oh you know, I get asked online all the time,
how can someone confess and then play not guilty.
Speaker 6 (56:14):
You know what? That is the way our system works.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
That is how Ben Powers wins so many of his cases.
The jury may never know that they confessed. They may
try to get a play deal to get the death
penalty off the table.
Speaker 6 (56:31):
There are a million, There is a myriad.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Of legal loopholes. But Mommy just in court claiming not guilty.
And that's her right because right now she's innocent. Just
wait and find out if a jury agrees with that.
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This case is ongoing. The Kentucky State Troopers, Trooper Gayheart,
and many many others are still amassing evidence.
Speaker 6 (57:07):
What happened before, during and after? What time was this
body taken to this remote location?
Speaker 2 (57:14):
Is their video from door cams, from red lights, from
businesses that mommy may have passed with.
Speaker 6 (57:24):
The body in the car?
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Did she take her children? What about her current nav system?
What about her cell phone? What if anything did you
see hear or notice that tip line six zero six
four three five six zero six nine repeat six zero
six four three five six zero six nine. If you
want justice for Jaden, let your voice be heard and
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we wait as justice unfolds.
Speaker 6 (57:53):
But now we remember an American.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Hero officerje Lopez PELLAMPD, Alabama, killed in a line of
duty after fifteen years in LA law enforcement, leaving behind
a grieving wife, Katie, and two children, Abby and Eli.
American Hero Officer Juan Lopez Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Mommy begs for help, begging the public to help find
her missing little boy, Jaden. Now he's found in a
shallow grave and Mommy is suspect number one. I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Ten year old Jaden Speiser goes missing in the dead
of night. No witnesses, no streams, just a child gone
without a sound.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
First of all, who exactly is mommy? Say that from
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our new friend Ariel Hicks' his YouTube, and I would
like to see mommy at her finest again.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Let's just roll that beautiful footage.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Don't you ever say?
Speaker 6 (01:29):
Just away always? Okay?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
That is from our new friend Ariel Hicks YouTube. Can
we get back to the missing child? Just ten years old?
The world on its ear looking for Jaden, and this
is where it starts.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Listen, a ten year.
Speaker 7 (01:52):
Old boy is missing and the Kentucky State Police is
asking for help to find him. Jaden Spicer was last
seen Tuesday night at nine pm. What you went to
bed and reported missing the next morning around nine to
twenty three am in the Panball Branch Road area. Trooper's
and local surgeon rescue teams are asking the public for help.
Jayden's five feet one inch tall, blonde hair, blue eyes,
slim build, glassing wearing a blue Sonic the Hedgehog, but
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Jama pant in a matching shirt.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
When I think about my twins at age ten, so sweet,
so innocent, just scrubbed in sunshine. What a wild goose chase,
the pain so many people endured looking for this sweet
little boy, joining me an all star panel as suddenly
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the Kentucky State Police do an about face, a U turn,
coming to a screeching halt when they find this child's.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Body buried in a shallow grave.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Joining me first to Trooper Matt Gayheart with Kentucky State Police.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
The KSP worked this.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Like dogs, using every possible means of detection. Trooper, I
know you've covered a lot of missing children cases, and
you have worked them tirelessly. When you find a child
obviously killed in a shallow grave, not a child that
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gets lost in the forest, not a child that falls
in the pool by accident or drowns in a river,
all an accident been buried in a shallow grave. That
has gotten to be excruciating. After all, the hundreds of
man hours you guys put into finding this child.
Speaker 8 (03:42):
That's tract. You know, anytime you have a miss a child,
you go into it with the most hope that you're
going to retrieve that child and ring home safely. And
to have an end like this is just absolutely tragic.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You're seeing shots of ten year old Jaden now, and
the internet is saturated with it because seemingly the world
joined in in the search for this little boy. This
as mommy begs for help the whole time she knew
where her child was.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Jaden's mother, Felicia Gross, is too anxious to speak with
the media and ask police to share a letter instead.
She writes, we love Jaden and we want him.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Safe at home.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Please, if anyone sees my son Jaden Speicer, please report
it to the Jackson Police Department.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
We love him very much. Please do the right thing,
call the police. Please Pray for us and my son Jayden.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Thank you, Okay, sometimes even now I'm spaceless.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Pray for us.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
And the whole time Mommy, according to police, had just
dug a hole to put her ten year old boy in.
You know, Tripper Matt and Gayheart. Did anyone get suspicious
when mommy would not give a police a public plea
for help.
Speaker 8 (05:02):
You know what, as we were searching, you know, the
first full day of surgeon, it takes a little while
to get all of your resources mobilized and on seemed
to start a conductive search at that time, and through
this first full day of surgeon, we started to think
that maybe he's not out there where we're looking.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Let me see the letter, please, I want to see
the letter that mommy put up.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
This is a letter mommy.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Refused to speak publicly and issue a plea for help.
This is the letter she had police read to Sydney
Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
What exactly happened right there?
Speaker 5 (05:39):
The media was contacting miss Felicia Gross, wanting her to
come out and speak with them about her missing son Jaden,
and she didn't want to go on TV, so instead
she wrote this letter asking for help.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
She couldn't bring herself.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
To be on TV because she had too much of
a guilty conscience. Because we know she wasn't camera shy.
We watched the other video. She clearly is pretty confident
in herself. So I'm thinking it was that guilty conscience
knowing that she falsely reported her son missing and had
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people looking for him, she wasn't looking for him herself.
And we know that Jaden has siblings, but Miss Selicia
Gross wasn't out there looking.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
For her own child.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
So I think that's why she may have been a
little bit too nervous to go on TV.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Okay, you know what, I didn't know that. That's a
mean fact for me.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Trouper Matt Gayheart joining us helping to lead an exhaustive search.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
For this child? Is that true?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Is that true that not only does she not speak
publicly asking people to help find her child or encouraging
all of the volunteers out there, she also did not
search herself.
Speaker 8 (06:56):
In themediate area at all.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Okay, Ben Powers yet ready?
Speaker 6 (07:01):
I hope you're ready for round one.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Powers veteran criminal defense attorney and you can find him
at legalpowers dot com. Ben, you know what, you need
to go ahead and finish that first book about how
not to behave when you've done something horrible and one
of those it reminds me of Scott Peterson.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Uh, that's like eating a dirt.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Sandwich, who wouldn't make a public plea for his wife's return,
and who also wouldn't go search for her? I mean
rule number one, at least pretend to search, at least pretend.
Speaker 9 (07:35):
Well, so Nancy is a stressful situation, and you don't
know how you're going to react in.
Speaker 10 (07:40):
That type of situation.
Speaker 9 (07:41):
And so to read into all these things that, oh,
this must mean that because she acted this way, or
it must mean this one specific thing because she did
it do a certain thing. I mean, that's a lot
of speculation, and that's a very specific conclusion that you're
trying to reach on nothing other than your own opinion.
Speaker 10 (07:58):
For the conclusion you already want.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
To go to second verse, same as the first. So
do you have children? Are you blessed enough to have children?
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Ben Powers? I do, okay?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And are you actually telling me if your child went missing,
you would sit on your can watching ESPN while other
people are out looking for your child.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Is that what you're trying to say?
Speaker 10 (08:18):
I would think that I would go out.
Speaker 9 (08:20):
But what I would say also is I've seen a
lot of different cases with a lot of different stressful, shocking,
panic situations, and you never know how someone's going to react.
Sometimes they react the way you expect, sometimes they don't
but you can't read into that a very specific conclusion
either way. It's just human nature is you never know
how you're going to react to stressful situations, to shocking situations.
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I mean, I can't read anything into her reaction other
than that's how she reacted. And you can't say how
what the right reaction is or what the wrong reaction is.
Speaker 10 (08:55):
The reaction is just the react right, and there's not
much w to it.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Okay, Ben Powers, you save that for a jury, Okay,
because that's where this is headed right now. After begging
the public, begging the public in a written plea to
help find her child, hundreds of volunteers out there, the
Kentucky State Police sweating bullets trying to find this child.
Let's take a look. Oh there's the letter. Please show me,
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show me Jaden, Wait till you hear what she now
says happened to her little boy. And to doctor Sue
Cornblue joining us family expert, owner of doctor Sue and
You and author of Building Self Esteem and Children and
Teens Adopted or Fostered. And you can find her at
doctor Sue and You dot com. Amazing site. By the way,
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doctor Sue, thank you for being with us. I'm just
a trial lawyer. I'm just a JD. You are the
veteran shrink. So maybe this is wrong to project, but
don't you know every juror that may end up hearing
this case is going to do the same thing. I
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wouldn't sit on my rear end watching HGTV while one
of my twins were out there.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
God only knows where.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
No, no, no, And I can project a memory when
my son, my daughter, and I there were about two
or three, went to a big, huge Baby's or US
superstore looking for organic sun tannlotion because I got shamed
at the community pool for using regular suntanlotion. And I
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looked up and Lucy was standing there, but there was
no John David. I picked her up like a football
like star quarterback and started running through this big warehouse, screaming,
my baby is missing, locked the doors. Everybody helped me,
screaming his name. I felt like electricity had run through me.
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Little did I know he was playing a game with
mommy and hiding on a row a few up. But
I ran the other way right. I ran toward the door,
thinking if somebody had him, they would leave. When he
had was hiding the other way. So I'm projecting what
I went through in those moments. Don't you think a
jury would do the same thing.
Speaker 11 (11:16):
I absolutely do, Nancy, And what you said is a
normal reaction to how a mother would feel if her
child was missing. So you know, I don't know what
this woman was feeling or wasn't feeling, but that note
that she wrote says that she.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Missed him and wanted everybody.
Speaker 11 (11:37):
To go search for him. So with that in mind,
maybe the jewry will actually think she had some remorners.
But we'll have to find out and see what happens there.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Okay, let me ask a troaper, Matt Gayheart Trouper again,
thank you for being with us. What was the reaction
amongst your people, super Gayheart when it was discovered that Jaden.
I haven't really let myself think about it because as
a mom, you tend to put yourself in those shoes,
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and the thought of one of my children being in
a shallow grave is just too much. But I'm wondering
about the troopers and the volunteers that find him, that
find his little body. It had to be like a
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gut punch, a kicked to the teeth after all you
guys had been through. I mean, you did it, all
the drones, the dogs, the bodies of water, the shoulder
to shoulder searches for him, and then it comes to this.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
What was the reaction amongst the troopers?
Speaker 8 (12:58):
Nice is the only way that I can describe It
is just pure, just gut rich and devastation. Like I said,
you know, we keep so much hope alive in the search,
and we're doing all these things trying to bring him
home safely, and when you see the ending is just
absolutely tragic. It is a father of young children, and
majority of our guys have young children. It's just such
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a hard situation to do. But you have to put
that aside and try to maintain professionalism and make sure
that we do a thorough investigation that may make sure
that we bring justice to Jaden.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know, another thing powers the defense attorney such as
yourself is going to have to deal with is the
fact of how many days, how many hours? You know,
I would break it down today's to hours to minutes.
How long mommy sat on her rear end when she
wasn't singing. I came in like a wrecking ball on video.
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How long she sat still and said nothing. I'm going
to put it to you like it is powers and
let her child's body decompose in the dirt.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
How long she sat there?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
What did she have coffee in the morning? Did she
watch the morning shows? Did she kick back and watch
the Little Real Housewives? I would really be interested. She
rented a movie.
Speaker 6 (14:26):
While everybody else.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
That's a fun thing for you to do, Trooper, is
to find out what she was doing while everyone else
was searching.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
For her child. Did she order Uber eats her door dash?
Did she online shop?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
What was she doing while you, Trooper, were out looking
for her child, and more so knowing that with each
minute that passed, her baby's body was decomposing in the dirt,
unprotected from the element.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
You ever thought about that?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Have you ever thought about tracing her activities while you
were out sweating bullets away from your family looking for
him this sweet little boy.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
Yeah, all that stuff has been taken into consideration, and
you know her movements. We're being washed and tracked and
that's all part of the investigation and we hope to
be able to answer that in the future.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
In the last hours, we learned that after begging, begging,
the public, to help find her child. Mommy sat in
her house as her child decomposed, knowing he was buried
in a shallow grave. And if you can imagine it,
it gets worse. We are now hearing allegations she coached
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her other children to lie about what happened. But when
police arrive at the scene, they immediately start the search.
Speaker 8 (15:58):
Listen up born unitsils saying they immediately began a search
of the immediate area, followed by a larger scale search
that's been followed out in conjunction with the Breath County
Merchant Management along with multiple search and risk of teams
from Fox fifty six.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
As detectives searched the woods and fields around his home,
Jade's mother issues a public statement begging for her son's
safe return while hiding a secret she thought would never
be uncovered.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
In the last hours, we're learning a lot as we
go to air tonight. Tell me Sidney Sumner was mommy
spotted at McDonald's.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
According to Facebook posts from some very.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Angry locals who spent their time volunteering who are familiar
with this family, she was spotted at McDonald's grabbing food
while others.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Were out in the heat in.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
The wilderness, dealing with the bugs, going through very thick wood.
It is areas looking for any sign of Jaden. I
mean people were looking through piles of garbage for any
clue of any sign of this missing little boy. And
she's stuffing her face with a burger. Okay, you know
what that's bringing out? The horrible specter.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
He's raising his head like a monster. Scott Peterson, remember
remember this, Sydney Sumner. You and I covered this together.
We about fell out when a detective told us. And
this was recent because it did not come in at
Lacey's murder trial, Lacey and Connor's. We were talking to
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I think it was Brokeeni, you and I and he
said that when Scott Peterson was told, we just got
the DNA results from the two bodies that washed up
on San Francisco Bay and it is Lacey and Connor.
Within five minutes, within five minutes, Scott Peterson asked if
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he could stop it in and out for a double
double with cheese, a large fry, and some kind of
a frosty drink. He just got told your wife and
child are dead. Those are their bodies, and he wanted
a double double whatever that is so obviously it did
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not affect Mommy's appetite. Another thing Sidney summer, and again
I'm projecting in doctor Sue Cornblue's gonna have a field
day with this. After my fiance was murdered, I remember losing.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Down to eighty nine pounds.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
The thought of food nauseated me, and I can still
remember the first thing I consumed. I was staying at
my mom and Dad said, and went into the fridge
and drank some orange juice. I remember that moment that
I finally wanted to drink something. Now tell me again,
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how did we find out? You actually found out? How
did you find out? Mommy is chowing down and McDonald's
while her son is missing and she knows he's in
a shallow, gray, decomposing Jackson.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Locals who know this family, who are familiar with Jaden
from school, who have seen Felicia Gross around town are angry.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
They are up.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
And they are posting about all of the things that
she did and didn't.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Do during the search for her missing son.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
So someone said, oh, I saw her at McDonald's getting
food while.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
Other people are out looking for her kid. So people are.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Not happy about this situation and that she blatantly lied
and led people to believe there was hope to bring
Jaden home safely.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Well, another thing, taking Gayheart and all of his people
away from their families to look for her son the night,
through the elements, walking shoulder to shoulder, coming up with
everything they could. While she's said, McDonald's been powers. Now,
what were you saying about how people react? There's no
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playbook for grief blood blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
And now mommy spotted with a big mac chowing down.
Speaker 10 (20:22):
I mean yeah, I mean that's still you gotta eat.
Speaker 9 (20:25):
You can't just stop eating completely, So I mean I
can see how that can be spunny.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
I mean the same is true. I mean you have
to eat. I mean she's got to keep living. I
mean that doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
That nasty wet hay, and you spun it out into gold.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Rumble Stiltskin.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Crime stories with Nancy Greece, doctor Sue Cornblueth. We clearly
need a shrink. Okay, if mommy has taken to her
bed and can't even get out of bed because of grief,
I can understand that. But mommy chowing down at McDonald's
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on a MacNeil.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
That ain't gonna play with a jury.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Doctor. This is infuriating.
Speaker 11 (21:23):
Okay, she's out having a big mac or whatever while
her child is missing. You know, Nancy, this is screaming
to me.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Liar liar. And I don't know what is going on here,
if it's a mental illness or what.
Speaker 11 (21:37):
But I'm thinking about Canthany right now, and not in
a great way. That's some of the same stuff is
going on here, you know. To me, Nancy, seems like
it's a mother doesn't want her child.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Oh you just said something really really smart, doctor, Sue,
you just touched You just stepped on a landmine.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Because I've got some news for you.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
But I want to first hold on a where I
lose this thought Trooper, Matt Gaheart joining us trouper. I'm
sure you love it when people give you suggestions for
your investigation. Why don't you and then they fill in
the blank, see a psychic consultantarot cars, blah blak.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
It goes on forever.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
But I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna go out on
a limb.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I wish you guys would pull the McDonald's video and
just watch her demeanor. Maybe at the drive through was
she happy and cherry. What did she order?
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Did she start eating.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Right then when she got in the food before she
could even get on the street.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Did she go in?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I hope she goes in so I could watch in
detail mommy chowing down while you're out looking for her son,
which she knows his remains are in a shallow gray.
So we've got the McDonald's videotape. I'm happy to get
it for you. I don't know how I'm gonna do it,
but I bet I could and her HBO, Showtime, Netflix,
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Amazon usage while you're out searching. You know, she was
holed up in her room with Acon Chowandow on McDonald's
watching pay per view, and I want to find out
every single thing she wants. Just a thought, I got
some more news for you, Sidney Sumner. Doctor Sue Cornblooth
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just said something really interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
She didn't want a child.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Okay, can you enlighten us about what you found out
about who was raising him up until three months ago.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Well, we don't know much, but we do know that
Jaden's grandmother was really his primary caretaker, and we don't
know much else about the home situation. Felicia Gross is
married to Josh Gross, and that is Jaden's stepdad. We
don't know much about Jaden's biological father, but it seems
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that his grandmother was his primary caretaker.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
And there's also.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Siblings in this family, maybe half siblings, maybe for siblings.
So it's unclear if Jaden ever really saw his mom
on a regular basis before his grandmother passed away.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Now isn't that quite the coincidence? Trooper Gayheart, another brick
in the wall, I'd be on that like White on Rice.
So grandma is raising the boy just ten years old,
he's still a baby. Mommy gets him and three months
later he's in a shallow grave dead, so obviously she
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did not want him. She gets him back and then bam,
he's dead. Sid did the grandma pass away?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Actually just recently? And Felicia Gross also two years in jail,
so two years of Jaden's life. She was actually behind
bars on different charges, all child endangerment and then later
drug and wet in charges.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Strooper matt a Gayheart. I mean, the.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Grandma is clearly in feeling health and she gives Jaden
back to mom and within three months he's dead. I mean,
can you imagine the life he led before Grandma took him.
I mean, my grandmother, Lucy, who would named my daughter after,
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helped raise us while my parents worked, and those were.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
It was amazing. I mean, dirt poor.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But so much love, and that's what he had with
his grandma. Then she starts going downhill and dies, but
she gives the boy to mommy, and now he's dead.
I mean, just the heartbreak of that. I mean, do
you ever just sit in your car and cry and
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just like, oh, how it could have been so easily avoidable,
but it wasn't.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
I hate to sit and think about I'm just such
a senseless killing and such an innocent child losing his
life for no reason at all other than the fact
that you don't want to take responsibility and raise your child.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Day two of the search for ten year old Jada
includes an extensive search of his home and the area
is surrounding his home Kentucky State Police using aircraft, drones, canines,
and sonar. The area of searched is in the eastern
part of Kentucky, about an hour and a half southeast
of Lexington, in the community of Jackson in Breathitt County.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
So we've utilized resources from KSPR draft. We've used drones
from multiple different sources. We've also used canines and people
walking all foot through the eels searching for any top
of clues or evidence where somebody may have been. We've
also used solar to check waterways in close proximity to
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that is that spoil. We've also used flear, which is
a great technology search for missing.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
People from our friends ed wk YT.
Speaker 12 (27:09):
The area surrounding the home and areas he is most familiar,
searched by the best resources available. Now, the family of
Jaden's raising money for a reward to help bring the
boy home. Jaden's and Samantha Bunty launched to go fundme
campaign to raise for cash reward. Priest father Jim Sichko
is also offering a reward for the safe return of Jaden.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
Unfortunately, we've not been able to locate a lot of
evidence suggests that he would be close by O Soul. Unfortunately,
we're kind of the same same support we were when
we started the search.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
For our friends Fox fifty six and joining us is
that trooper helped leading the search, Trooper Matt Gayheart. I'm
going to go to Thomas, doctor Thomas Coin in just
a moment. But first Trooper Gayheart what raising money to
find Jaden, and Mommy just sits on our thumb while
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money is being raised to help find Jada.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
And you've even got the.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Priest father Jim offering his own money as a reward
for information, and Mommy sits there munching a burger.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Seriously, Yeah, you.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
Know, we tried literally everything to get information in this investigation.
It turned to us right quickly that what we were
doing wasn't going to work. So the community together and
try to get some punts together to get somebody to
come forward with some information that would lead us to Jaden.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I would put my two eyes on that money because
if that money goes in mommy's pocket, oh yeah, all
htal going to break loose. In this studio, guys, listen
to the heartbreak that some of the troopers were going through.
As stated by our guest, Listen, you think about.
Speaker 8 (28:59):
A ten year old chick who is if he wanted it,
away from the residents and is by himself walking through
the forest. He's gotten old resources with them, so you're
racing against the clock as far as getting him home safely.
We must continue, hope, but unfortunately at this point where
we're at an investigation, it's a race against the clock.
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We're essentially at kind of our last leg. We need
to do how we relocate him immediately.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That's sound from our friends at Fox fifty six. It
really struck me as you're out there literally beating the bushes.
You use the dogs, you used radar, you did everything
you could, you organize search after search after search, and
you were talking at one point how you were thinking
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about a ten year old child who's wandered away and
is alone in this forest. He's gotten nothing with him,
maybe not even shoes, nothing to drink, nothing to eat.
Tell me about the terrain you search, Trooper Gayheart.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
Majority of that area is very steep, very rugged terrain.
It's very overgrown with dense vegetation. Soul for searchers, it
was really difficult to traverse that terrain. I can't imagine
a ten year old being able to just run them
up through it.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Ten years old, ten years old out in that rough
Kentucky terrain. When, if at all, did it go through
your mind, Trooper that he did not wander away.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
We started having speculations around the second day of the search,
which was the first full day of having all of
our search and rescue crews out there about that time,
where we wouldn't find any evidence suggesting that anybody was
out there. So at that time we started thinking, maybe
we're looking at a situation where we're chasing our tails here.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Regardless of the mom there were two aunties that raised
the red flag.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Listen, there's some stuff.
Speaker 10 (31:08):
That just doesn't ad a in this case.
Speaker 13 (31:11):
And as two aunts and mothers, we've.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Questioned a lot of the information.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Ourselves, friends, neighbors, even politicians helping search.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
For ten year old Jaden.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
In a nightmare, two of Jaden's aunts, questioning information police
were told Jaden went to bed Tuesday night but was
missing Wednesday morning. Aunts Chai Sellers and Samantha Bunty say
a lot of the info doesn't add up. Jaden would
never venture out in the dark and climb the rugged
terrain surrounding his home.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Yes, who would?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And you know another thing that's interesting, and we've seen
this in other cases Sydney summer.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
By the way, that original sound was from our friends
at WSMV four Sidney. We've seen this in other cases
where children allegedly wandered out at night and all their
shoes were still in the home and the only thing
missing would be them and the piece days that they
were wearing the night before. So you've got to believe
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this child would go out in the middle of the
night without shoes, not wearing any clothes, and wander so
far away from home, didn't wake up any dogs, nothing
like that, didn't set off a burglar alarm, nothing, and
gets lost in the middle of the night.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
That's what we were supposed to believe. I mean, at
stuck time, haven't at the get go. It just doesn't
make sense.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
His aunts say that Jaden was terrified of bugs, and
bugs are especially worse in the summertime. So for them
to say, to be told that Jayden wandered out of
the house in the middle of the night in the heat,
with all of the bugs that he's terrified of, they
immediately knew that something wasn't right. And for Jaden to
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have not woken any of his siblings when he left
in the overnight hours or in the morning, and this
was a long period of time that nobody saw him.
Nine o'clock at night to nine am in the morning.
That's a long time for a child whose age to
sleep uninterrupted without making a keep. So I think people
were very suspicious of mommy's story from the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
You know, to Trooper Matt Gayheart, what was mommy's story
at the get go?
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Did she ever mention, you know, I just don't see
him going out in that terrain.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
He hates bugs and mosquitoes, He wouldn't do it. Did
she ever say anything like that? And then the Aunties
raise the alarm that this was just didn't make any sense.
What was her original story?
Speaker 8 (33:40):
Trooper reported that while they were sleeping at the Fowell
family went to better just shortly after nine pm. At
some point during the night into the early morning hours,
Jaden had left the residence that was now missing. They
didn't check on that job until just a little after
nine am the following morning, so you have a twelve
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hour gap there that we're trying to pin down exactly
maybe when this child left the residence.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
So her story was he goes to sleep and she
wakes him up, goes to wake him up at nine am,
and he's not in his bed.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
That's the story, right, that's correct.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Another fun thing for the troopers to do would be
to go in the home and see if any shoes
were taken. Actually, you don't need to do that because
you know how his body was found. What was he
wearing Trooper when his body was found?
Speaker 8 (34:29):
That information we do don't though, just as part of
the investigation. A lot of that stuff it looked into.
That's taken to the Medical Exander's office for analysis. So
that's stuff we'll be able to answer a little further
down in an investigation.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You know doctor Sue, doctor Sue at Cornbluoth joining us
family Expert. You can find her at doctor Sue and
you dot com. See that's something a mom would know
or should know. For instance, mosquitos never my son. They
always bite my daughter always, and when she goes outside.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
That's something she and I think about.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
She would never do this, She would never go out
that way and get eaten up by mosquitoes. I'm just
I'm just thinking why it had to be the Aunties
that put this out there, that the story doesn't add up,
that he would never do this and not the mom.
And I know Ben Powers is going to say, that's
not hard direct evidence such as DNA or fingerprint, but
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it's circumstantial evidence, very strong circumstantial evidence to me.
Speaker 11 (35:36):
To me, this is a mom that doesn't know our
child at all. Look, Nancy, you know what's screaming at
me right now. One she was in jail for a
year for child endangerment. So we cannot just throw.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
That out like that never happened.
Speaker 11 (35:53):
You know, I don't know what happened, but to me,
it seems like she has the possibility of abusing her children.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
I want to say.
Speaker 11 (35:59):
One thing here that a lot of people don't know
this term, but it's called unwanted child fill aside.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
And what that means is that you do not want your.
Speaker 11 (36:09):
Child, and you want to go off and have a
life of freedom, and you see your child as an object,
not as a human being. And I'm just thinking to myself,
this is probably what is going on right here. This
is a mother that had a lot of problems, probably
didn't want to be a parent. He was acting out
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and she is at it, and perhaps she said I'm
just going to discard him now.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Then a new lead emerges, Tector's responding to the location
and initiated a search.
Speaker 8 (36:43):
Shortly thereafter, approximately three pu the remainings of Jaden's sponsor
were discovered buried at the set.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
The brother.
Speaker 8 (36:52):
Kuncorn's office responded and pronounce the child deceased. The remains
will be transported to the Medical Examiner's Office of Frankfort
for an autopsy. This insident has now transitioned from a
missing person investigation into an active and ongoing criminal investigation.
Is our top priority to protect the integrity of this
investigation and seek justice for Jacob.
Speaker 14 (37:14):
Yes, my love, that there is a lady you come
up our door and she's some guy that jumping into
a red light of her car, put her two kids
in it, and he took off and he got out
of the car here at Ohio and he's got a head, Yes,
ma'am at her call, and I don't hear ripercle and
I I need to come along getting down here, and
a car is but we need to have the we
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can of acting up.
Speaker 11 (37:39):
A modal protege.
Speaker 14 (37:40):
What color was it? A burgundy mignal protege.
Speaker 10 (37:44):
We don't get him going pay him.
Speaker 14 (37:46):
They got two keys.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
I'll hoold to whoever has my children that they please,
I mean, please bring them home to us.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Save it.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Susan Smith, use that in your next appeal to get
out from behind bars. That's from our friends at wyff Wow,
an eerie similarity. While that mommy knows her sons are
at the bottom of a lake in her car, belted
in their seat belts by her, she's begging for the
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public to help find them and actually blames some mythic
guy that comes up and carjacks them. But she's not
the only parent who kills their child and then begs
for people like Trooper Matt Gayheart to go find them.
Speaker 15 (38:40):
Listen, Bella, Celeste, if you're out there, just just come back.
Like if somebody has her, just please bring her back.
I need to see everybody. I need to see everybody again.
This house is not complete without anybody here.
Speaker 13 (38:58):
Daddy, you're well.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
He helped me grow up. He helped me so good too.
Speaker 13 (39:09):
He leaves me with time Nations, Great daddy, Daddy.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
And love you from our friends.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
At den verse seven, of course, that is the devil
Chris Watts, and he says, I need to see everybody again.
Well you're not because they're in heaven and that is
not where you're going, Watts. No, you're gonna be literally
on the hot seat having supper with Satan. He murdered
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his wife, Shenan Watts. He murdered Bella and Celeste, his
little children, and forced their bodies into openings in oil
tankers at Darko oil fills. And the containers were about
that wide at the top, and he shoved their bodies down,
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ripping the skin off the baby's arms. The wife, Shenan,
was pregnant. She was buried in a shallow grave and
severed coffin birth. She delivered baby Nico in the grave
post mortem.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, okay, listen to this.
Speaker 16 (40:34):
Oh my daughter Fayer, I need to find her.
Speaker 6 (40:39):
Your daughter admitted that the baby is where.
Speaker 16 (40:42):
You turd of took her month ago. To that my
daughter's been looking for I told you my daughter was
missing four months. I just found her today that I
can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me she's
been trying to find her herself. There's something wrong.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
I found my daughter's.
Speaker 16 (40:57):
Carts were day and then sent a dead body.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Okay, what is the three year old's name?
Speaker 16 (41:02):
Kayley?
Speaker 14 (41:03):
C A y l E E.
Speaker 16 (41:05):
Anthony.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
That, like the current case, was the loving grandmother Cindy Anthony.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
She and husband.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
George had been taking care of Kelley all along, while
top mom Casey Anthony sat on the sofa and eight
chips watching TV, pretending she had a job, even going
so far as to wear the uniform from Universal. I mean,
but here is taught mom herself on the phone asking
for help to find her.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Daughter that prosecutors say she killed.
Speaker 6 (41:37):
Listen, you last saw.
Speaker 16 (41:38):
Her a month ago forty one?
Speaker 14 (41:40):
Dy from one? Who have her?
Speaker 6 (41:45):
Do you a name?
Speaker 16 (41:47):
Her name is Ravas Fernando's due wallis who is that?
Speaker 5 (41:52):
Maybe?
Speaker 16 (41:53):
She has been my nanny for.
Speaker 14 (41:55):
Suty year and almost two years?
Speaker 16 (41:57):
Why why are you calling now? Why didn't you call
three one day? As I've been looking for her and
has gone through other resources to try to find her.
Speaker 10 (42:05):
So tr're stupid?
Speaker 6 (42:07):
No, she wasn't.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
She was slung up at her boyfriend's place, living with
him in his roommates. That's sexy, that said All the while,
Kelly's body was decomposing, as were Bella and Celeste, as
were Susan Smith's Little Boys.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 6 (42:38):
To Dodger.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Thomas Coin, renowned chief Medical Examiner District to Medical Examiner's Office,
State of Florida. Never a lack of business in Florida.
A forensic pathologist, toxicologist, and euro pathologist. Doctor con Mommy
has said, Trooper, what did she say that Jaden died of?
(43:03):
What a medical emergency?
Speaker 8 (43:06):
That's correct, from some sleeping medication.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
As she had given him a medical emergency caused by her.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Okay, so translation, according to her.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
She owed ed him on some kind of a sleeping
formula like Benadriel.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
I don't know what it is yet.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
So the medical emergency that we know of right now
is mommy IND's, doctor Thomas Coin. You know, when children
pass out or they are not waking up after they've
had too many mans, typically parents call nine one one. Okay,
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We've seen this claim before at trial top mom Casey
Anthony claimed that Keilly died in the pool, but instead
of calling the ambulance or having a funeral, she was
just put in black plastic trash bags and thrown in swamp. Okay,
see that is just screams lie, doctor Thomas Coin, I
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need you and I need you now. How since his
body has been decomposing, will we be able to get
a cod cause of TAM sure, hope.
Speaker 17 (44:16):
So it depends upon the amount of decomposition. So I'm
assuming that since he was identified at the time the
body was recovered, that hopefully he has not decomposed enough
to still have tissue present.
Speaker 10 (44:30):
The number one may allow.
Speaker 17 (44:31):
You to see if he had any trauma, you know,
if he was asphyxiated or beaten, stab what have you.
But more importantly, with regards to toxicology, enough tissue left
to test for various substances, so you can test if
there's any blood or bodily fluids. You can certainly use that,
but we can also go to tissue, and we certainly
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have hopefully tissue president that would allow us to find
those answers.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Okay, doctor Coin, I didn't want to interrupt. I didn't
want to the words you said, but could you please
break it down? When you say get tissue? What does
that mean? A fingernail, a toenail, hair, Is it blood?
Speaker 6 (45:10):
Is it urine? And how do you get it? Is
it skin?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
What do you mean by tissue? Do you go in it,
stuck out a part of the liver sale? What does
that mean? And how do you do it? And you
also said, I know this is a compound question disallowed
in court, but I think you can handle it. What
do you mean by determining if he was asphyxiated or
literature strangled or bludgeon. How do you look at the
body and tell that's what happened.
Speaker 17 (45:35):
So let's assume this is a normal body who just
died recently. So you're going to begin with an external
examination looking at their body from head to toe, looking
for signs of injury, so bruising, sad marks, lacerations, any
particular injury. After the external examination is done, we proceed
inward and we look at all of the body cavities,
including with inside the skull, examine the brain, examine all
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of the organs internally, the tissues after they're reflected, and
that allows us to see what injuries may be present.
So if a person was strangled, you may very well
see injuries on the neck, bruising on the outside of
the neck, abrasions, scratch marks. As we remove the skin
or reflect the skin backwards, you may see hemorrhaging in
the neck, muscles, fracturing of the cartilage or bones in
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the neck, things that suggest that there were pressure applied
to the neck. You may also see soft signs like
particular hemorrhages in the face. But if the person was beaten,
you may see it fractures, bleeding within the head or
the brain itself. So those are the findings we look
for to identify injury. When a person is decomposed, it
gets much more difficult because as a tissue begins to
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break down, fluids will travel throughout tissues. It's maybe hard
to identify an injury. Also, the injury may be gone,
so the person may have been stabbed and the area
that was stabbed, or a person was shot with the gun.
Let's say those tissues may be going simply due to decomposition,
but also due to scavenging activity from animals and insects.
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With regards to toxicology, when we're doing the autopsy, we
can actually access the veins on the body using needles,
just like you wouldn't office setting to obtain blood. But
once we open the body, we have access to all
of their organs. We have access to the fluid and
the eye, We have access to the bile and the gallbladder,
and we can actually use the organ tissues themselves, for instance,
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deliver the brain the kidney to also test for toxicology.
So that's what I mean by having access the tissue
and access to fluids, there's a lot of potential material
there that we can use to hopefully find that cause
of death.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Wow, now I know why you're the chief Medical Examiner
in District Team Medical Examiner's Office.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
State of Florida. That was a lot.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I was taking notes as quickly as I could, but
needless to say, now I know how you get the samples.
I know what you mean and in your experience, isn't
it true, doctor Coin? That very often if there is
a ligature strangling or even a manual strangulation, you can
look at the body with the naked eye and tell
that's what happened. You don't have to look at the
particuari in the eye. Of course, you follow up with
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that to see if it was burst. But you can
look and see the damage around the neck. You can
see stab wounds, you can see lant force trauma. I'm
just curious, but you did squirts a little perfume on
the pig there when you said scavenger activity break it down?
Speaker 17 (48:29):
Sure? So I mean the second you die. First of all,
we are full of bacteria internally within our sinuses, our mouth,
within our gullet. So the second you die in your
immune system is no longer active. Your bacteria will begin
to eat you. And if you're outside in the heat,
that bacteria will grow exponentially, So that's the first thing. Secondarily,
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you have insects all around you in the environment, especially below.
Flies will land the pie deposit eggs. Those eggs will
hatch and we'll assume the bodily tissues and bodily fluids.
But also you have other scavengers and by that I
mean birds like vultures, or you have rodents. You have
other predators that maybe in the area that come upon
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the body, smell the process of decomposition, the volatile organic substances,
even in a shallow grave, they'll be looking for that
and they may actually walk away with portions of the body.
Sometimes they walk away with the portion of the body
that allows you to determine the cause of death. And
so you hope those processes don't occur, and if they do,
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it may make it difficult for you to determine how
that person died.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Mindpowers, vultures, rodents, rats taking parts of this boy's body.
If they do not seek the DP, I will do
a backflip.
Speaker 9 (49:49):
I mean, that's pretty aggressive to go to death penalty
based on what I mean.
Speaker 10 (49:56):
What we have is a death that we don't know
the cause of death.
Speaker 9 (50:00):
Yet you know she does have child endangerment in her
past that could be physical abuse, but it could be.
But she also has charges in her past for drugs
and having him around drugs and using drugs around the
child and this situation.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Please, are you about to say that she had a
drug habit and so I should feel sorry for her?
Speaker 9 (50:18):
I know, well, her explanation so far is that she
gave sleeping medicine to her son. He may have gotten
into her drugs, or she may have given him a
drug she shouldn't have.
Speaker 10 (50:28):
Had, freaked out and realized that's bad for her.
Speaker 9 (50:31):
This is a bad situation, And so you're using everything
that happened after to try to say, oh, this is premeditated,
when really it could just be a panic reaction.
Speaker 10 (50:40):
Plus there is a stepfather that we haven't been talking
about at all. I mean, I'm hard pressed.
Speaker 9 (50:45):
To believe this mother alone in the dead of night,
drove twenty miles to the thick woods, dug a shallow grave,
and got home before anyone knew she was gone by herself.
Speaker 10 (50:56):
I mean, there's a lot more to them.
Speaker 18 (50:57):
So she worn't coach the children to lie hold on
Sidney Sumner, there may be witnesses, and I'm sure Gayheart
doesn't relish the idea of questioning and interrogating little children,
but that's his duty, whether.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
He likes it or not. Isn't it true that mommy
is also accused of tampering with witnesses, i e. The siblings,
telling them to lie about what happened.
Speaker 6 (51:21):
Yes, yes, she is.
Speaker 5 (51:22):
She is charged with tampering with witnesses for coaching Jaden's
siblings on what to say to police about what happened
to him. So we don't know what they saw. We
don't know if they were in the car while she
made this trip, if Jaden was asleep next to them.
Speaker 6 (51:40):
In bed and didn't wake up.
Speaker 5 (51:42):
We don't know what these children witnessed and what she
told them to not think about, or how she explained
this way to them.
Speaker 6 (51:53):
I'm sure it's a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
No matter what you say it, Sydney, coaching them, you
mean asking them to lie. That would be my argument
at trial, and I want to stress and I can't
stress it enough.
Speaker 6 (52:05):
She is innocent.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Tonight as we go to air, she is innocent.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
It is the duty of the state to prove her
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Now, what be Empowers doesn't
want you to hear is the rest of that statement
to prove her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. She's presumed
innocent unless and until the state pierces the presumption of
innocence with proof. Trooper Gayheart, the thought of this boy
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out there in the elements, and when I heard doctor
con talk about rodents, rats, vultures potentially taking pieces of
his body, it's you know, I think I would just
go jump off a cliff if I didn't have my twins.
Speaker 6 (53:02):
To live for.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
About the meanness in the world. And you know we
earlier reported you got a tip that led.
Speaker 6 (53:12):
You to this location? Who led you to the body?
Speaker 8 (53:18):
So information that we received came from Mom herself. She
give us the location of where she had taken Jaden
and buried him.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Okay, Trooper Gayheart is not revealing secret facts. We found
that out from other sources. So I'm sure of being
Powers defense attorney will want Mammy to get a gold
star for leading to the body. Oh, that's not happening.
I'm going to use that against her. How does she
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know where the body was?
Speaker 1 (53:51):
I guess you're going to conjure up the stepfather and
say she was along for the ride.
Speaker 9 (53:54):
She made very well then, I mean she made the
initial board with the public letter asking for help him.
You know, I know you made a big deal about
her going to McDonald's. But she does have the other children.
I mean, if she's coaching them to a lot, she's
got to feed them, and kids like McDonald's, and you
want to make a big deal about her, you know
movies that she rented, Well, if she's renting movies that
kids would watch.
Speaker 10 (54:14):
That shows that she's taking care of the kids that
she has with her.
Speaker 9 (54:18):
And so then she makes the ultimate report that leads
investigators to the exact site of this young boy, and
so that certainly has to raise questions of what was
her role, who else might be involved, what really happened here?
Speaker 10 (54:32):
And I think a lot of.
Speaker 9 (54:33):
That might be answered through what I'm sure investigators are doing,
which is getting search warts for phones for the home
and waiting on the forensics from the autopsy to come
back to maybe get a more clear story. And again
I have a hard time believing that she would have
done all this by herself without anyone knowing, you know.
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And so there's a lot more to the story. But
she did make the initial report, and she made the
ultimate report that found her son. It sounds like in
between she was taking care of for other kids, and
so I think that certainly colors the picture in a
different way than you know, what you were saying about
the death penalty and things like that.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
I think that's oh yeah, she was taking care of
her children in powers.
Speaker 6 (55:14):
Hey, I'll give you a cheeseburger if you lie to
the cops. That works.
Speaker 9 (55:19):
I can't really love that because there's a bigger story
to it with others involved.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I'm only laughing because my alternative is to cry or
to just my head blow off. Right now, we are
now learning that earlier today, mommy makes a first appearance
in court.
Speaker 6 (55:38):
What happened? Said?
Speaker 5 (55:39):
Felicia Gross pleaded not guilty to all of the charges
against her.
Speaker 6 (55:44):
So she appeared in court. She was read her rights
and her charges, and she said, I did not do
this and this will eventually go to a jury trial.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
Yes, you're seeing video from our friends at WK. Why
Mommy in court saying what, I'm not guilty.
Speaker 6 (56:04):
I had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
Oh you know, I get asked online all the time,
how can someone confess and then play not guilty.
Speaker 6 (56:14):
You know what? That is the way our system works.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
That is how Ben Powers wins so many of his cases.
The jury may never know that they confessed. They may
try to get a play deal to get the death
penalty off the table.
Speaker 6 (56:31):
There are a million, There is a myriad.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Of legal loopholes. But Mommy just in court claiming not guilty.
And that's her right because right now she's innocent. Just
wait and find out if a jury agrees with that.
(56:56):
This case is ongoing. The Kentucky State Troopers, Trooper Gayheart,
and many many others are still amassing evidence.
Speaker 6 (57:07):
What happened before, during and after? What time was this
body taken to this remote location?
Speaker 2 (57:14):
Is their video from door cams, from red lights, from
businesses that mommy may have passed with.
Speaker 6 (57:24):
The body in the car?
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Did she take her children? What about her current nav system?
What about her cell phone? What if anything did you
see hear or notice that tip line six zero six
four three five six zero six nine repeat six zero
six four three five six zero six nine. If you
want justice for Jaden, let your voice be heard and
(57:51):
we wait as justice unfolds.
Speaker 6 (57:53):
But now we remember an American.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Hero officerje Lopez PELLAMPD, Alabama, killed in a line of
duty after fifteen years in LA law enforcement, leaving behind
a grieving wife, Katie, and two children, Abby and Eli.
American Hero Officer Juan Lopez Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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