February 23, 2021 • 36 mins
John McGuire plans to move from Minnesota to his home state of Alabama to help care for his mother. An unplanned detour into West Virginia led the man to his death. Tortured for days, McGuire was buried in a shallow grave. Why?
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Angela Erickson - Mother of 3 of victim's Children
- Justice McGuire - Victim's Daughter
- Troy Slaten - Criminal Defense Attorney, Los Angeles California, www.floydskerenlaw.com
- Dr. Caryn Stark - NYC Psychologist, www.carynstark.com
- Steven Lampley - Author, Speaker, Retired Police Officer, and Undercover SVU Detective, Author, "12 and Murdered," www.stevendavidlampley.com, Facebook.com/StevenDavidLampleyPage
- Dr. Michelle Dupre - Forensic Pathologist and former Medical Examiner, Author: “Homicide Investigation Field Guide” & "Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide", Ret. Police Detective Lexington County Sheriff’s Department
- Samantha Perry - Editor, Bluefield Daily Telegraph
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
A young father of four seemingly disappears into thin air,
and questions begin to him out what happened to John
Thomas McGuire. You know, for so many girls and boys,
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their father's influence means the world to them. It shapes
who they become as adults. So when John McGuire seemingly
drops off the map, his children are distraught. Take a
listen to this. It's February and John Bamma McGuire is
making plans for a move. The plan is to set
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out from his Minnesota home to visit his mother. This
father at texts Angela Ericson, that's the last contact the
thirty eight year old makes with family or friends. When
Mother's Day rolls around in May, McGuire doesn't contact Ericson.
She tells the Bluefield Daily Telegraph that McGuire always calls
her and his own mother. Four Mother's Day, son Jacob's
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summer birthday also came and went. That's when Ericson, after
four months, filed a missing person's report. You know, it's
one thing to miss a call on Mother's Day. It's
an entirely different matter to miss one of your children's birthdays. Again,
I'm Nancy Gray, thanks for being with us here at
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Crime Stories and joining me an all star panel. First
of all, doctor at Michelle Dupree, forensic pathologists, former medical examiner,
author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide and Investigating Child Abuse
Field Guide. She's also a former police detective with a
Lexington County Sheriff's Department. Also with me, author speaker, former
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cop and undercover detective, author of twelve and Murdered on
Amazon On. Steve Lampley joining me from Manhattan. Renowned psychologist
Karen start at Karen Starton dot com. Veteran trial lawyer,
criminal defense attorney Troy Slayton joining us from La and
you can find him at Floyd Scernlaw dot com. Special
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guest joining us mister McGuire's daughter, Justice McGuire and the
mother of three of his children, Angela ericson Mother of Justice,
Jacob and Genesis. I'm focusing right now on how John
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McGuire seemingly vanished into than air. So John McGuire, this
data four is going to move home ultimately to Alabama.
So he takes off in his truck from Minnesota to
drive from Minnesota to Alabama, but he never makes it
straight out to Angela ericson the mother McGuire's three children,
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Justice Jacob in Genesis. Angela again, thank you and Justice
for being with us. Angela. That's quite a trip. I
guess he was driving. His vehicle was a a car,
a truck. So, Angela, he's going well over a thousand
miles from Minnesota to visit his mother in Alabama, and
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then he's going to circle up to West Virginia. Why
was he going to West Virginia. I don't honestly think
there was initial plan to go to West Virginia. I
do believe that the truck that they were driving stalled
on them, and then the course just took them to
West Virginia to where John's girlfriend, Amanda's family reside. Okay,
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so the whole West Virginia stop was really because the girlfriend,
Amanda McClure, had family there. Yeah. Did John make it
to Alabama. He did not, So he got as far
as Minnesota to West Virginia. Correct. Yea the mother his
mother lives in Alabama. Was she ill at the time, Yes,
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she was. That's the reason why he was going on
her to move with her, to help her. You know,
Karen start and joining me new York psychologist. It's amazing
what people will do for their mother. Have you noticed that? Well?
I noticed that from you, Nancy, and I noticed that
for me and so many people. You know, it's all
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about Mother's Day. Our mothers give birth to us and
they hold our hearts. I'm just thinking, you know, my
mom lives with us now, Karen start and there is
no way I would miss honoring her in some way
on Mother's Day. And it really struck me when we
were listening early to our friends at crime Online that
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he failed to make that yearly call. I mean they
spoke more off then once a year, but every Mother's
Day he always called, and he didn't. That would be
a big red flag to me. Karen Starr, it's an SOS,
absolutely an sos, Nancy, it really is. Yeah, Angela Ericson,
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tell me about that, him missing the call on Mother's Day. Um,
you know, I knew that something was wrong. And um,
there was just no way that he wouldn't have called
myself or his mom, or in fact my mom for
that matter, because he just did it religiously. There was
no question. So when he would call you on Mother's Day,
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Angela Ericson, what would he say. He would say, happy
Mother's Day. You're you're a great mom, and I'm glad
you are the mother of my children. Then you're beautiful,
and I hope you have a wonderful day. He always
made sure that it was it was a good day,
regardless if he was on the phone calling or he
was there. So and then he missed a birthday whose
birthday was Jacob's birthday. That he missed the Jacob sixteen birthday. Yes, oh,
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and that's a big one too, you know, Angela, I
don't know if you're like me, I have thirteen year
old twins. I can't believe I'm even saying that that
they're thirteen now. But that is a big day November
four at our house, because we really have a great
time on their birthdays. And you know, I wouldn't miss
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it for anything. Nothing could pull me away from their birthday.
So what did you think when he missed calling you
at birthday on Mother's Day and then he missed calling
on Jacob's birthday. I honestly I thought the worst because
I knew that just there was no way in the
world that he wouldn't have called his only son on
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his sixteen birthday to wish him, but happy birthday, so
to Stephen Lampley, joining US author speaker, former cop undercover,
author of twelve A Murdered and you can find him
at Stephen David Lampley dot com. Stephen Lampley. This is
often referred to as routine evidence, and I always clarify
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I don't mean like run of the meal evidence. I
mean evidence of someone's routine. For instance, first thing I
do every morning is take care of all the pets
and my mom, get the twins stuff for school ready,
and make a cup of hot tea. If I didn't
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do that, my husband would know something was very, very wrong. Right.
That is evidence of a routine. What do you make
of this? Lampley mentioned that stands out. That stands out
more so than is somebody figured out to get the
mail or it was late for work. Not calling a
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child or mom is a substantial indicated that something is
going wrong, has gone wrong, and that is evidence. But
on the other hand, Stephen Lampley, it could be argued
to jury. Okay, I'm not happy he missed calling on
Mother's Day, but that means absolutely nothing. Right, But for
this guy, I mean a lot because he never failed
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to do it. A lot of guys, believe it or not, Lampley,
do not call mom on Mother's Day? Shock but true?
That well, that's true. But for this gentleman, he did
on a religious basis, and that's a red flag and
that does indicate to us that there is a problem.
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Clime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we were talking about
the sudden disappearance of a young thirty eight year old
dad a four. Everything's going along fine until suddenly he
misses a call on Mother's Day and then his son's
sixteenth birthday. And that is when mother of the children,
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Angela ericson of something is very wrong. Okay, Troy Slightton,
go ahead, Lampley and I have built our castle. Go ahead,
knocked down our castle of dominoes by saying this means nothing.
Simply not making a phone call, the absence of committing
some sort of act is not evidence of anything, absolutely not.
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And people, I can't see you, but I guess you're
saying that with a straight face. People change behaviors, people
fall in and out of relationships. It means absolutely nothing
and it's not evidence of anything. WHOA It wouldn't survive
don't you have children, TROYE Lytton? Don't you have children? Absolutely?
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Two beautiful children. Okay? Are you married? Yeah, Troy Lytton.
You say people fall in and out of relationships. That
may be true when it comes to men and women
or romantic love, the erroslove, but the mommy child love,
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you don't fall in and out of that relationship. And
I certainly hope Troyce Layton, that you, as a father
don't fall in and out of your relationship with your children.
Is that what you're saying? That you can love them
one day and then the next day. Well, there's some
days I want to kill them, but no, I absolutely
do not. Ever. Have you ever missed their birthday? Oh? Interesting,
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So you haven't fallen out of your relationship with your children?
Absolutely not, okay, But you're saying that that could have
happened with this guy who would never once missed calling
or being there for their birthday. A lot of people
are different, and it's it's a possibility. You remind me
of this ostrich I saw at the zoo one time
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in San Diego. He had his head in the sand
and his butt in the air, not looking at anything
going on around him no offense to ostriches. But what
I'm saying is this evidence is hitting me in the
head like a brick. So Angela Ericson, let me go
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to your daughter joining us, Justice McGuire, Justice, thank you
for being with us. Welcome Justice. How old are you?
I am nineteen? I'll be twenty in September this year,
you know, Justice, You know, don't tell my husband, but
you know who my soulmate is. Oh, my father. Yep,
he's in heaven now. But we laughed at the same things.
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We butt heads over politics. I learned how to dance
standing on his feet to Perry Como in our living
room where we didn't quite have enough money to my furniture,
so we had a lot of dance space, you understand. Yeah, So,
and I miss him every single day. Now, tell me
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about your dad. My dad was, I could say, the
best dad in the world. He always made your us
kids had everything we wanted and needed, let alone even
more so. I always enjoy spending time with him, and
I wish I could just go back and to spend
another day with him. So how Justice, You and me, both,
little girl, You and me both now you say he
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always made sure you had everything you needed or wanted,
like the other day, Justice John David my son and
I like to watch well, he likes to watch and
I like to watch him watch Kung Fu movies. Don't laugh.
And then my daughter, who was not into that at all,
God bless her little soul, is curled up on the
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sofa looking at some shopping spot and she says, Mom,
can I order a pair of blue jeans? Well, it
nearly broke my heart that she would even ask, because
you know some children would just do it because she
has my PayPal, And I said, sweetheart, yes, please get
you a law outfit. I want her not to just
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have of what she has to have. I want her
to have things she wants to. Now tell me about
your dad. What would he do for you? Oh? No,
I would always I was. I've been an oldest, so
he always I don't know. I think me and him
had a closer relationship. I wouldn't say more than the
other kids, but I was always with him when I
was younger because I've always been a daddy's girl. So
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like I'd be like I want this, and you'd be like, okay,
put it in the cart and then you can get it.
So it was like always like pretty much you know,
spoiled justice. You know what, You're not spoiled. You just
have a mom and dad that really love you and
are willing to sacrifice themselves so you can have that
thing you put in the cart. Angela ericson the Mom
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of Justice. Jacob and Genesis tell me about John's relationship
with his children. They were you know, he loved them
more than life itself. And you would have done anything,
you know, who sit in a bus in front of
a bus for those kids if that's what it took
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for them to you know, be healthy and happy. And
you know, the one thing that you know a father
justice the most is as she graduated this last year
and her dad wanted nothing in the world but to
see her graduate, and you know, he wasn't able to
be there, and that was pretty devastating for her, you know. So,
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I mean, he just loved them, and the bond between
you know, parents and kids is something that you just
can't sever, you know what I mean. It's and it's
really sad that he's not here to continue that bond
with our children. You know, I want to go to
the editor of the Bluefield Daily Telegraph special guests joining us.
Samantha Perry. You know, Samantha, you like me, deal with
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a lot of stories every day. There was a car
crash on Main Street, the mayor is caught in a scandal,
blah blah blah blah, Samantha, with the crush of cases
that we deal with, I think very often for some
people it's easy to forget these stories aren't really stories
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at all. They're about real people with real suffering and
real issues. I mean, when you hear Justice talking about
her dad, it just adds a whole different layer of
what we're reporting today. How this dad is en route
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on a trip and then suddenly just disappears. It really
changes the way you report if you let yourself think
about the facts. Samantha, do you agree, Yes, I do,
Miss Grace, this was absolutely one of the most horrific
cases I have ever covered. You know, I can't imagine
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how horrible this was for the family members, for his children.
And it all started with him simply heading out on
a trip, and then they didn't hear from him, and
then Mother's Day came, and then the birthday came, and
then finally he's reported missing. Angela Ericson, who reported him missing,
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and when, after you know, several months of not hearing
from him, I called justice and I said, I think
we should probably go make a missing person's report for
your dad, and she agreed, so her and I went
down to the police station and made that report in
June of twenty nineteen. Now, let me understand something. He
had taken off in his truck from Minnesota, where you
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guys live, to visit his mother in Alabama, stopping by
West Virginia, where the girlfriend had family in round. Do
I have that right, Angela? No, the West Virginia trip
was not actually in their plans. Okay. The reason they
went to West Virginia is because the car that they
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were driving stalled in Kentucky. And I believe that Amanda
contacted her sister or her father in West Virginia to
come and pick them up because the car was not
going anywhere. Okay, So that's how they ended up in
West Virginia. Got it. Now, it's odd to me that
they we don't hear anything from the girlfriend, so she
missing too. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are
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talking about the disappearance of a young dad just thirty
eight years old. Of four children, and with me the
mother of three of those children, Angela Ericsson, and his
daughter Justice. Also with me are all Star Panel and
Samantha Perry from the Bluefield Daily Telegraph. After you reported
him missing, Justice maguire or, first of all, what is
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that like, filling out and missing person's report for your dad? Well,
at first, at first I didn't really want to do it,
but at the same time I did. It was kind
of hard because I didn't want to go up there
and be like, yeah, I haven't seen my dad and
you know how long and whynot. So going up there,
I was crying and didn't really I was just hoping
for the best. I was like, please find my dad,
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bring him home by one I'm safe. So and what
if anything did the police do defined him? Justice? One day,
they actually went to my mom's house and knocked on
her door, so you know, and you know everything that
went on or whatever, and they were talking to her
and she didn't even realize, like they said, you put
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in a missing person report, and she was like I
did because she We just have tried to like push
ourselves forward, to try and move on, but it's just
like in the back of our heads like it's just
stuck there. So so weeks pass and no knee news
and then suddenly an odd twist take a listen to
our friend Caroline four back at Fox fifty nine. September
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twenty nineteen, State troopers were questioning Larry Paul McClure at
the Welch Detachment for violating his sex offender registry. That's
when McClure revealed shocking information, leading investigators down a dark
and twisted path of murder and incest. On September twenty fourth,
twenty nineteen, we were advised of this crime by Larry
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Paul McLure. He told them about a murder in McDowell
County that happened seven months prior. On February fourteenth, twenty nineteen.
When Trooper K. M. Sadler followed up, McClure's story checked out.
We did respond to the residence where the crime occurred
and the victims remains were found on the property. How
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in the world does a registered sex offender behind mars
and he's talking to law enforcement at the Wilch Detachment
for violating his saxophone registry rules? What does that have
to do with a missing young dad? A four. How
did those two connect? Angela Ericsson? When did you learn
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that John? When did you learn that John's remains had
been found on this property? Um? The police came to
my apartment UM two officers and when I answered the door,
I was, you know, I didn't know what was going on.
There papers in the hand and h They basically came
to me and said, you have made a police report
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back in June, and we were here to tell you
a little bit about that. And I, you know, it
was just I my heart sank in my stomach came out.
It's like it's about done. And that's when they proceeded
to tell me that his remains were found and that
they were there was a murder investigation going on. It's
just when did you learn about your dad? My mom?
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The cops went to her house and then she texted
me and she asked me, she said, are you sitting comfortably?
And I was like confused because I didn't know. I
knew something she was going to say, something like that
I probably didn't want to hear. And I was sitting
in the backseat of a car and she called me
and she told me, and I I lost it. I
didn't know what to do. So I kind of just
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I had to go back to my house, and the
cops were actually leaving because they were coming to tell me.
My mom sent them to my house so I could
talk to them if I had any questions or anything.
And I just stood there crying, like they were like,
do you have any questions? I couldn't answer them. I
just wanted to be like left alone. I didn't know
what to do, to be honest with you. Samantha Perry,
editor with the Bluefield Daily Telegraphs, Samantha, what can you
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tell me about the location where John's remains were found?
Is it a rural is it in a backyard? What
is it? McDowell County is an extremely rural county here
in southern West Virginia. It actually has the nickname of
the Free State just because it is. Again it's it's
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just so rural. And the area where his remains were
found in Sky Gustie, Yeah, it is very very rural,
very very country. You know, it's not a residence that
you're just going to come across, so I have to
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drive out to what I mean, I know what you're
talking about, Samantha Perry. I grew up on a red
dirt road with a well dug in the backyard and
dug by my grandfather. So I get it. You're not
just gonna drive by and notice disturbed earth. So Samantha Perry,
editor with the Bluefield Daily Telegraph, was his body found
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in a backyard? I gives, ma'am how far from the home?
I would say approximately about six to eight feet from
the home. So let me follow up with you. Roy Slayton,
a criminal defense attorney joining us out from LA. You heard,
Samantha Perry eight feet from the home. How could you
not notice a body is buried in your backyard? Don't
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you think that's pretty strong circumstantial evidence. It is certainly
strong circumstantial evidence. And what's also a criminal defense attorney's
nightmare in the case is someone being arrested merely for
violating their sex offender Registry regulation, violating it, and then
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suddenly this game he knows about a murderment, suddenly getting
diarrhea of the mouth and telling the police everything he's
done since he was six years old. That's not the
police fault, No, it's not. The constitution protects you from
unreasonable searches and seizures. You can't be beating or tortured
or forced into a confession. The constitution does not stop
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you or protect you from gabbing, from getting carried. And
I'd bet he this guy McClure, the purv the registered
sex offender, blurted out he knew where a body was
to save his own skin from that parole violation. He
thought if he could cough up some info, they would
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go light on him for the pro violation. I bet
you dollars to donuts that's what happened. He's not trying
to help anybody, trying to save his own skin. Spontaneous concession,
spontaneous statement isn't even covered by Miranda. To doctor Michelle
Dupree joining me forensic pathologists, former medical examiner and author
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of the Homicide Investigation Field Guide and Investigating Child Abuse
the Old Guide, Doctor Dupree, yet another buried in a
shallow grave story? All right, would you think that someday
someone would get rid of a body not by burying
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eight feet from the batten door in a shallow grave. Yes, Nancy,
this is incredible. We often see that clandestine graves are
no more than eighteen to twenty four inches deep. They're
often discovered much more quickly than the perpetrator would think.
Is that why it's so easy for, for instance, cadaver
dogs to find bodies and shallow graves. Well, that's certainly
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one of the reasons, but there are many more reasons
that cadaver dogs can find these even in deeper graves too.
Doggpre what would being buried in a shallow grave for
a period of months due to a human body, how
would that affect decomposition and therefore thwart an identification of
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the body. Well, Nancy, as you know, it depends on
a lot of different factors. It's going to depend on
the environment, whether it's cold or hot, whether it's a
damp or whether it's dry. But the thing is that
even after about six months or so, we can often
determine and many things that happened to that body. For example,
oftentimes we can determine the cause of death. The decomposition
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rate will certainly hinder some evidence, but not all of
it crime stories. With Nancy Grace, I'm still trying to
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help make the connection how this datafore on a trip
with his girlfriend ends up in a shallow grave in
somebody's backyard, and a register sex offender trying to save
his own skin, blurts out at the location, Well, take
a listen to our friends at people dot com. Authorities
located the body of thirty eight year old John Thomas
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McGuire in a shallow grave on the McClure property in Skygusty,
West Virginia, according to the Bluefield Daily Telegraph. Shaudrey has
said that McGuire's death happened after a Valentine's Day meal
that her father and sister had accused McGuire of being
a federal informant. The outlet reports that McGuire was struck
on the head with a wine bottle, tied up, tortured,
and injected with methamphetamine. He was also reportedly strangled and buried,
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then dissentered, dismembered, and then buried again. Shaudrey said her
father and sister told her she had to be the
one to inject McGuire with meth because she had nursing experience.
So you have to have nursing experience to kill somebody,
you know. I'm very, very curious about the connection between
this registered sex offender and how he knows about the
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dead body. While according to people dot Com, he was
there after the Valentine's Day dispute. Guys, take a listen
to our friends at People. Shaudrey said that after the murder,
her father and sister went on like nothing happened. Then
about a month later, they applied for a marriage license
in Virginia. The father and daughter were married on March eleventh,
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twenty nineteen. Let me understand something, Samantha Harry, Am I
hearing this correctly? So the father we're talking about is
fifty five year old Larry McClure. The daughter and his
daughter McClure's daughter, and he McClure go get a marriage certificate. Yes,
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isn't that incest? Do I understand the facts that I'm
hearing from people dot com? Yes, they did travel mcdell County,
West Virginia borders of Taswell County, Virginia, and they did
cross the state line, and they actually did. Mary, So,
Larry McClure, senior, the registered sex offender, marries who his daughter,
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Amanda Michelle Naylor McClure. They married in Taswell County roughly
a couple of weeks after the murder took place. So,
Samantha Perry, you just told me that Larry McClure, the
sex per Register sex offender, married his daughter Amanda McClure.
But I thought Amanda McClure is the DADA four John
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McGuire's girlfriend. Yes, she was the girlfriend of John McGuire.
I like your answer. There's only one way to answer that. Yes,
it kind of sounded like you were holding your nose
at the time, and I completely agree. Okay, So if
Samantha Perry with the Bluefield Daily Telegraph is correct, and
I have strong reason to believe she is the motive
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from murder? Is the discovery of incest? Did does father
of four John McGuire find out his girlfriend is the
lover of her own dad? Take a listen to our
cut number three. This is Katie Johnston at WCCO four knees.
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A Kentucky man and his two daughters are accused of
killing a Minnesota man last and Valentine's Day. The Bluefield
Daily Telegraph of West Virginia reports the victim, John McGuire,
was in a relationship with one of the two daughters.
Investigators say after the murder, the man and his daughter
across the state lines then to get married, and a
letter to court officials this month, Larry McClure from Kentucky
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confesses to the killing and explains the roles he and
his daughters played in the crime. McClure tolda investigators his daughter,
Amanda McClure, was in a relationship with McGuire. Larry calls
Amanda the ringleader of the murder. Now Larry, Amanda, and
Anna Shoudery are all facing one counter first degree murder
for McGuire's death. So to Samantha Perry, editor the Bluefield
(30:39):
Daily Telegraph, am I correct. John McGuire was brutally murdered,
a painful death because he discovered his girlfriend was in
an incestuous relationship with her father. Yes, her father would
basically not tolerate her being with another man. So her
father had a jealous she was seeing someone else. That
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was her implication. Yes, let's learn more. Take a listen
to our cut fifteen voice. Yes I did, Yes, I did.
And if it was three days the hill for you
or for them, I know what it was. For him.
It was living hill for you made the main center
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and right believe that when they woke up it was
be on the street of Manasota. I didn't go to
doctor Michelle Dupree, former medical examiner and author, What was
the mode of death, doctor Dupree? And wasn't Nancy? Apparently
the person was injected with matthan vetamine, which could be lethal.
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They were reportedly also strangled, which can obviously be lethal.
Um so, really without an examination of the body, it
would be difficult to tell. To Angela Ericson, the mother
of John's three children, Justice, Jacob, and Genesis, what did
you learn about John's murder? I've learned that he was
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tied up and injected with mess and phetamines. And first
he was hit over the head with a wine bottle
that apparently he had gotten for him and Amanda have
a romantic dinner and Valentine's Day with and then through
you know, a course of one to three days. I'm
not really sure, they tortured him and told him that
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the reason they were doing this was because he was
a criminal informant. And then I learned that they put
a garbage bag over his head and strangled him to death.
Take to listen to our friend Josh crap at w
d TV. Shandre said her father and sister began the
attack on McGuire, and that her father threatened her children
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if she didn't help bounce. She described how McGuire was
hit in a head with a bottle of wine, tied
up and injected with meth amphetamine, and strangled. Chantrey pleaded
guilty to second degree murder, faces up to forty years
in prison and also our cut number three. Katie Johnson
WCCO goes on. McLure told the investigators his daughter, Amanda
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McClure was in a relationship with McGuire. Larry calls Amanda
the ringleader of the murder. Now Larry, Amanda, and Anna
Shoudery are all facing one counter first degree murder for
McGuire's death. So let me understand how this whole thing
played out, Samantha Perry. What happened between those one and
three days that John McGuire was tortured till he died?
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They did. Apparently he was hit on the head with
a blond bottle and injected with meth amphetamine and then
taught up and then they played out what they called
the trust game, which was basically, you know, having enough
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trust in each other to allow them to be tied up.
But basically McGuire was tortured for three days and the
judge in one of the hearings actually described it as
three days of hell and Samantha Perry was the whole
torture and murder debacle, but because a fear John McGuire
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would rap them out for incest. I'm not sure if
it was a fear of telling about the incest or
if it was more of a jealousy on the part
of Larry McClure and Amanda McClures did buy lent appen
actually took part in it, yes, and Larry McClure painted
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his daughters as the ringleaders. Once this all of this
came out, basically all of them threw each each other
under the bus. You know, Larry blamed his daughters, the
daughters blamed their father and said this kind of became
a blamed game after it came to like, I want
you to hear John Thomas McGuire's mother, Karen Smith, for
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you to marry your old daughter. That's low dame loved
on his dirt. But I don't want to live to
see you or one of your kid's dad before I leave.
Deserve God's stone, And I hope you remember how Luke
and how I talk, because if I headed my way,
I'd have everyone in y'all right, no letter every day
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I killed your son, or at least year a mailed
to me, so y'all won't for you to be comes.
I don't thank y'all we even care. I don't think
you have what you care about what you done to
me and my right places, right comes r my daughters,
sounds sound comes. You're hearing Karen Smith chewing out the
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defendant in this case, Larry Paul McClure, who murdered her son,
and in the end you hear him speaking unintelligibly, trying
to blame his daughters for the murder. All three took part,
and all three are behind bars, all over an incestuous
relationship that ended in an illegal marriage between father and daughter.
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And there in the backyard lay John McGuire Nancy Grace
Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,
A young father of four seemingly disappears into thin air,
and questions begin to him out what happened to John
Thomas McGuire. You know, for so many girls and boys,
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their father's influence means the world to them. It shapes
who they become as adults. So when John McGuire seemingly
drops off the map, his children are distraught. Take a
listen to this. It's February and John Bamma McGuire is
making plans for a move. The plan is to set
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out from his Minnesota home to visit his mother. This
father at texts Angela Ericson, that's the last contact the
thirty eight year old makes with family or friends. When
Mother's Day rolls around in May, McGuire doesn't contact Ericson.
She tells the Bluefield Daily Telegraph that McGuire always calls
her and his own mother. Four Mother's Day, son Jacob's
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summer birthday also came and went. That's when Ericson, after
four months, filed a missing person's report. You know, it's
one thing to miss a call on Mother's Day. It's
an entirely different matter to miss one of your children's birthdays. Again,
I'm Nancy Gray, thanks for being with us here at
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Crime Stories and joining me an all star panel. First
of all, doctor at Michelle Dupree, forensic pathologists, former medical examiner,
author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide and Investigating Child Abuse
Field Guide. She's also a former police detective with a
Lexington County Sheriff's Department. Also with me, author speaker, former
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cop and undercover detective, author of twelve and Murdered on
Amazon On. Steve Lampley joining me from Manhattan. Renowned psychologist
Karen start at Karen Starton dot com. Veteran trial lawyer,
criminal defense attorney Troy Slayton joining us from La and
you can find him at Floyd Scernlaw dot com. Special
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guest joining us mister McGuire's daughter, Justice McGuire and the
mother of three of his children, Angela ericson Mother of Justice,
Jacob and Genesis. I'm focusing right now on how John
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McGuire seemingly vanished into than air. So John McGuire, this
data four is going to move home ultimately to Alabama.
So he takes off in his truck from Minnesota to
drive from Minnesota to Alabama, but he never makes it
straight out to Angela ericson the mother McGuire's three children,
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Justice Jacob in Genesis. Angela again, thank you and Justice
for being with us. Angela. That's quite a trip. I
guess he was driving. His vehicle was a a car,
a truck. So, Angela, he's going well over a thousand
miles from Minnesota to visit his mother in Alabama, and
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then he's going to circle up to West Virginia. Why
was he going to West Virginia. I don't honestly think
there was initial plan to go to West Virginia. I
do believe that the truck that they were driving stalled
on them, and then the course just took them to
West Virginia to where John's girlfriend, Amanda's family reside. Okay,
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so the whole West Virginia stop was really because the girlfriend,
Amanda McClure, had family there. Yeah. Did John make it
to Alabama. He did not, So he got as far
as Minnesota to West Virginia. Correct. Yea the mother his
mother lives in Alabama. Was she ill at the time, Yes,
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she was. That's the reason why he was going on
her to move with her, to help her. You know,
Karen start and joining me new York psychologist. It's amazing
what people will do for their mother. Have you noticed that? Well?
I noticed that from you, Nancy, and I noticed that
for me and so many people. You know, it's all
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about Mother's Day. Our mothers give birth to us and
they hold our hearts. I'm just thinking, you know, my
mom lives with us now, Karen start and there is
no way I would miss honoring her in some way
on Mother's Day. And it really struck me when we
were listening early to our friends at crime Online that
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he failed to make that yearly call. I mean they
spoke more off then once a year, but every Mother's
Day he always called, and he didn't. That would be
a big red flag to me. Karen Starr, it's an SOS,
absolutely an sos, Nancy, it really is. Yeah, Angela Ericson,
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tell me about that, him missing the call on Mother's Day. Um,
you know, I knew that something was wrong. And um,
there was just no way that he wouldn't have called
myself or his mom, or in fact my mom for
that matter, because he just did it religiously. There was
no question. So when he would call you on Mother's Day,
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Angela Ericson, what would he say. He would say, happy
Mother's Day. You're you're a great mom, and I'm glad
you are the mother of my children. Then you're beautiful,
and I hope you have a wonderful day. He always
made sure that it was it was a good day,
regardless if he was on the phone calling or he
was there. So and then he missed a birthday whose
birthday was Jacob's birthday. That he missed the Jacob sixteen birthday. Yes, oh,
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and that's a big one too, you know, Angela, I
don't know if you're like me, I have thirteen year
old twins. I can't believe I'm even saying that that
they're thirteen now. But that is a big day November
four at our house, because we really have a great
time on their birthdays. And you know, I wouldn't miss
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it for anything. Nothing could pull me away from their birthday.
So what did you think when he missed calling you
at birthday on Mother's Day and then he missed calling
on Jacob's birthday. I honestly I thought the worst because
I knew that just there was no way in the
world that he wouldn't have called his only son on
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his sixteen birthday to wish him, but happy birthday, so
to Stephen Lampley, joining US author speaker, former cop undercover,
author of twelve A Murdered and you can find him
at Stephen David Lampley dot com. Stephen Lampley. This is
often referred to as routine evidence, and I always clarify
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I don't mean like run of the meal evidence. I
mean evidence of someone's routine. For instance, first thing I
do every morning is take care of all the pets
and my mom, get the twins stuff for school ready,
and make a cup of hot tea. If I didn't
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do that, my husband would know something was very, very wrong. Right.
That is evidence of a routine. What do you make
of this? Lampley mentioned that stands out. That stands out
more so than is somebody figured out to get the
mail or it was late for work. Not calling a
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child or mom is a substantial indicated that something is
going wrong, has gone wrong, and that is evidence. But
on the other hand, Stephen Lampley, it could be argued
to jury. Okay, I'm not happy he missed calling on
Mother's Day, but that means absolutely nothing. Right, But for
this guy, I mean a lot because he never failed
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to do it. A lot of guys, believe it or not, Lampley,
do not call mom on Mother's Day? Shock but true?
That well, that's true. But for this gentleman, he did
on a religious basis, and that's a red flag and
that does indicate to us that there is a problem.
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Clime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we were talking about
the sudden disappearance of a young thirty eight year old
dad a four. Everything's going along fine until suddenly he
misses a call on Mother's Day and then his son's
sixteenth birthday. And that is when mother of the children,
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Angela ericson of something is very wrong. Okay, Troy Slightton,
go ahead, Lampley and I have built our castle. Go ahead,
knocked down our castle of dominoes by saying this means nothing.
Simply not making a phone call, the absence of committing
some sort of act is not evidence of anything, absolutely not.
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And people, I can't see you, but I guess you're
saying that with a straight face. People change behaviors, people
fall in and out of relationships. It means absolutely nothing
and it's not evidence of anything. WHOA It wouldn't survive
don't you have children, TROYE Lytton? Don't you have children? Absolutely?
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Two beautiful children. Okay? Are you married? Yeah, Troy Lytton.
You say people fall in and out of relationships. That
may be true when it comes to men and women
or romantic love, the erroslove, but the mommy child love,
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you don't fall in and out of that relationship. And
I certainly hope Troyce Layton, that you, as a father
don't fall in and out of your relationship with your children.
Is that what you're saying? That you can love them
one day and then the next day. Well, there's some
days I want to kill them, but no, I absolutely
do not. Ever. Have you ever missed their birthday? Oh? Interesting,
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So you haven't fallen out of your relationship with your children?
Absolutely not, okay, But you're saying that that could have
happened with this guy who would never once missed calling
or being there for their birthday. A lot of people
are different, and it's it's a possibility. You remind me
of this ostrich I saw at the zoo one time
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in San Diego. He had his head in the sand
and his butt in the air, not looking at anything
going on around him no offense to ostriches. But what
I'm saying is this evidence is hitting me in the
head like a brick. So Angela Ericson, let me go
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to your daughter joining us, Justice McGuire, Justice, thank you
for being with us. Welcome Justice. How old are you?
I am nineteen? I'll be twenty in September this year,
you know, Justice, You know, don't tell my husband, but
you know who my soulmate is. Oh, my father. Yep,
he's in heaven now. But we laughed at the same things.
(11:31):
We butt heads over politics. I learned how to dance
standing on his feet to Perry Como in our living
room where we didn't quite have enough money to my furniture,
so we had a lot of dance space, you understand. Yeah, So,
and I miss him every single day. Now, tell me
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about your dad. My dad was, I could say, the
best dad in the world. He always made your us
kids had everything we wanted and needed, let alone even
more so. I always enjoy spending time with him, and
I wish I could just go back and to spend
another day with him. So how Justice, You and me, both,
little girl, You and me both now you say he
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always made sure you had everything you needed or wanted,
like the other day, Justice John David my son and
I like to watch well, he likes to watch and
I like to watch him watch Kung Fu movies. Don't laugh.
And then my daughter, who was not into that at all,
God bless her little soul, is curled up on the
(12:38):
sofa looking at some shopping spot and she says, Mom,
can I order a pair of blue jeans? Well, it
nearly broke my heart that she would even ask, because
you know some children would just do it because she
has my PayPal, And I said, sweetheart, yes, please get
you a law outfit. I want her not to just
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have of what she has to have. I want her
to have things she wants to. Now tell me about
your dad. What would he do for you? Oh? No,
I would always I was. I've been an oldest, so
he always I don't know. I think me and him
had a closer relationship. I wouldn't say more than the
other kids, but I was always with him when I
was younger because I've always been a daddy's girl. So
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like I'd be like I want this, and you'd be like, okay,
put it in the cart and then you can get it.
So it was like always like pretty much you know,
spoiled justice. You know what, You're not spoiled. You just
have a mom and dad that really love you and
are willing to sacrifice themselves so you can have that
thing you put in the cart. Angela ericson the Mom
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of Justice. Jacob and Genesis tell me about John's relationship
with his children. They were you know, he loved them
more than life itself. And you would have done anything,
you know, who sit in a bus in front of
a bus for those kids if that's what it took
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for them to you know, be healthy and happy. And
you know, the one thing that you know a father
justice the most is as she graduated this last year
and her dad wanted nothing in the world but to
see her graduate, and you know, he wasn't able to
be there, and that was pretty devastating for her, you know. So,
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I mean, he just loved them, and the bond between
you know, parents and kids is something that you just
can't sever, you know what I mean. It's and it's
really sad that he's not here to continue that bond
with our children. You know, I want to go to
the editor of the Bluefield Daily Telegraph special guests joining us.
Samantha Perry. You know, Samantha, you like me, deal with
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a lot of stories every day. There was a car
crash on Main Street, the mayor is caught in a scandal,
blah blah blah blah, Samantha, with the crush of cases
that we deal with, I think very often for some
people it's easy to forget these stories aren't really stories
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at all. They're about real people with real suffering and
real issues. I mean, when you hear Justice talking about
her dad, it just adds a whole different layer of
what we're reporting today. How this dad is en route
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on a trip and then suddenly just disappears. It really
changes the way you report if you let yourself think
about the facts. Samantha, do you agree, Yes, I do,
Miss Grace, this was absolutely one of the most horrific
cases I have ever covered. You know, I can't imagine
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how horrible this was for the family members, for his children.
And it all started with him simply heading out on
a trip, and then they didn't hear from him, and
then Mother's Day came, and then the birthday came, and
then finally he's reported missing. Angela Ericson, who reported him missing,
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and when, after you know, several months of not hearing
from him, I called justice and I said, I think
we should probably go make a missing person's report for
your dad, and she agreed, so her and I went
down to the police station and made that report in
June of twenty nineteen. Now, let me understand something. He
had taken off in his truck from Minnesota, where you
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guys live, to visit his mother in Alabama, stopping by
West Virginia, where the girlfriend had family in round. Do
I have that right, Angela? No, the West Virginia trip
was not actually in their plans. Okay. The reason they
went to West Virginia is because the car that they
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were driving stalled in Kentucky. And I believe that Amanda
contacted her sister or her father in West Virginia to
come and pick them up because the car was not
going anywhere. Okay, So that's how they ended up in
West Virginia. Got it. Now, it's odd to me that
they we don't hear anything from the girlfriend, so she
missing too. Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are
(17:42):
talking about the disappearance of a young dad just thirty
eight years old. Of four children, and with me the
mother of three of those children, Angela Ericsson, and his
daughter Justice. Also with me are all Star Panel and
Samantha Perry from the Bluefield Daily Telegraph. After you reported
him missing, Justice maguire or, first of all, what is
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that like, filling out and missing person's report for your dad? Well,
at first, at first I didn't really want to do it,
but at the same time I did. It was kind
of hard because I didn't want to go up there
and be like, yeah, I haven't seen my dad and
you know how long and whynot. So going up there,
I was crying and didn't really I was just hoping
for the best. I was like, please find my dad,
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bring him home by one I'm safe. So and what
if anything did the police do defined him? Justice? One day,
they actually went to my mom's house and knocked on
her door, so you know, and you know everything that
went on or whatever, and they were talking to her
and she didn't even realize, like they said, you put
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in a missing person report, and she was like I
did because she We just have tried to like push
ourselves forward, to try and move on, but it's just
like in the back of our heads like it's just
stuck there. So so weeks pass and no knee news
and then suddenly an odd twist take a listen to
our friend Caroline four back at Fox fifty nine. September
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twenty nineteen, State troopers were questioning Larry Paul McClure at
the Welch Detachment for violating his sex offender registry. That's
when McClure revealed shocking information, leading investigators down a dark
and twisted path of murder and incest. On September twenty fourth,
twenty nineteen, we were advised of this crime by Larry
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Paul McLure. He told them about a murder in McDowell
County that happened seven months prior. On February fourteenth, twenty nineteen.
When Trooper K. M. Sadler followed up, McClure's story checked out.
We did respond to the residence where the crime occurred
and the victims remains were found on the property. How
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in the world does a registered sex offender behind mars
and he's talking to law enforcement at the Wilch Detachment
for violating his saxophone registry rules? What does that have
to do with a missing young dad? A four. How
did those two connect? Angela Ericsson? When did you learn
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that John? When did you learn that John's remains had
been found on this property? Um? The police came to
my apartment UM two officers and when I answered the door,
I was, you know, I didn't know what was going on.
There papers in the hand and h They basically came
to me and said, you have made a police report
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back in June, and we were here to tell you
a little bit about that. And I, you know, it
was just I my heart sank in my stomach came out.
It's like it's about done. And that's when they proceeded
to tell me that his remains were found and that
they were there was a murder investigation going on. It's
just when did you learn about your dad? My mom?
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The cops went to her house and then she texted
me and she asked me, she said, are you sitting comfortably?
And I was like confused because I didn't know. I
knew something she was going to say, something like that
I probably didn't want to hear. And I was sitting
in the backseat of a car and she called me
and she told me, and I I lost it. I
didn't know what to do. So I kind of just
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I had to go back to my house, and the
cops were actually leaving because they were coming to tell me.
My mom sent them to my house so I could
talk to them if I had any questions or anything.
And I just stood there crying, like they were like,
do you have any questions? I couldn't answer them. I
just wanted to be like left alone. I didn't know
what to do, to be honest with you. Samantha Perry,
editor with the Bluefield Daily Telegraphs, Samantha, what can you
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tell me about the location where John's remains were found?
Is it a rural is it in a backyard? What
is it? McDowell County is an extremely rural county here
in southern West Virginia. It actually has the nickname of
the Free State just because it is. Again it's it's
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just so rural. And the area where his remains were
found in Sky Gustie, Yeah, it is very very rural,
very very country. You know, it's not a residence that
you're just going to come across, so I have to
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drive out to what I mean, I know what you're
talking about, Samantha Perry. I grew up on a red
dirt road with a well dug in the backyard and
dug by my grandfather. So I get it. You're not
just gonna drive by and notice disturbed earth. So Samantha Perry,
editor with the Bluefield Daily Telegraph, was his body found
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in a backyard? I gives, ma'am how far from the home?
I would say approximately about six to eight feet from
the home. So let me follow up with you. Roy Slayton,
a criminal defense attorney joining us out from LA. You heard,
Samantha Perry eight feet from the home. How could you
not notice a body is buried in your backyard? Don't
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you think that's pretty strong circumstantial evidence. It is certainly
strong circumstantial evidence. And what's also a criminal defense attorney's
nightmare in the case is someone being arrested merely for
violating their sex offender Registry regulation, violating it, and then
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suddenly this game he knows about a murderment, suddenly getting
diarrhea of the mouth and telling the police everything he's
done since he was six years old. That's not the
police fault, No, it's not. The constitution protects you from
unreasonable searches and seizures. You can't be beating or tortured
or forced into a confession. The constitution does not stop
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you or protect you from gabbing, from getting carried. And
I'd bet he this guy McClure, the purv the registered
sex offender, blurted out he knew where a body was
to save his own skin from that parole violation. He
thought if he could cough up some info, they would
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go light on him for the pro violation. I bet
you dollars to donuts that's what happened. He's not trying
to help anybody, trying to save his own skin. Spontaneous concession,
spontaneous statement isn't even covered by Miranda. To doctor Michelle
Dupree joining me forensic pathologists, former medical examiner and author
(24:38):
of the Homicide Investigation Field Guide and Investigating Child Abuse
the Old Guide, Doctor Dupree, yet another buried in a
shallow grave story? All right, would you think that someday
someone would get rid of a body not by burying
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eight feet from the batten door in a shallow grave. Yes, Nancy,
this is incredible. We often see that clandestine graves are
no more than eighteen to twenty four inches deep. They're
often discovered much more quickly than the perpetrator would think.
Is that why it's so easy for, for instance, cadaver
dogs to find bodies and shallow graves. Well, that's certainly
(25:21):
one of the reasons, but there are many more reasons
that cadaver dogs can find these even in deeper graves too.
Doggpre what would being buried in a shallow grave for
a period of months due to a human body, how
would that affect decomposition and therefore thwart an identification of
(25:44):
the body. Well, Nancy, as you know, it depends on
a lot of different factors. It's going to depend on
the environment, whether it's cold or hot, whether it's a
damp or whether it's dry. But the thing is that
even after about six months or so, we can often
determine and many things that happened to that body. For example,
oftentimes we can determine the cause of death. The decomposition
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rate will certainly hinder some evidence, but not all of
it crime stories. With Nancy Grace, I'm still trying to
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help make the connection how this datafore on a trip
with his girlfriend ends up in a shallow grave in
somebody's backyard, and a register sex offender trying to save
his own skin, blurts out at the location, Well, take
a listen to our friends at people dot com. Authorities
located the body of thirty eight year old John Thomas
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McGuire in a shallow grave on the McClure property in Skygusty,
West Virginia, according to the Bluefield Daily Telegraph. Shaudrey has
said that McGuire's death happened after a Valentine's Day meal
that her father and sister had accused McGuire of being
a federal informant. The outlet reports that McGuire was struck
on the head with a wine bottle, tied up, tortured,
and injected with methamphetamine. He was also reportedly strangled and buried,
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then dissentered, dismembered, and then buried again. Shaudrey said her
father and sister told her she had to be the
one to inject McGuire with meth because she had nursing experience.
So you have to have nursing experience to kill somebody,
you know. I'm very, very curious about the connection between
this registered sex offender and how he knows about the
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dead body. While according to people dot Com, he was
there after the Valentine's Day dispute. Guys, take a listen
to our friends at People. Shaudrey said that after the murder,
her father and sister went on like nothing happened. Then
about a month later, they applied for a marriage license
in Virginia. The father and daughter were married on March eleventh,
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twenty nineteen. Let me understand something, Samantha Harry, Am I
hearing this correctly? So the father we're talking about is
fifty five year old Larry McClure. The daughter and his
daughter McClure's daughter, and he McClure go get a marriage certificate. Yes,
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isn't that incest? Do I understand the facts that I'm
hearing from people dot com? Yes, they did travel mcdell County,
West Virginia borders of Taswell County, Virginia, and they did
cross the state line, and they actually did. Mary, So,
Larry McClure, senior, the registered sex offender, marries who his daughter,
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Amanda Michelle Naylor McClure. They married in Taswell County roughly
a couple of weeks after the murder took place. So,
Samantha Perry, you just told me that Larry McClure, the
sex per Register sex offender, married his daughter Amanda McClure.
But I thought Amanda McClure is the DADA four John
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McGuire's girlfriend. Yes, she was the girlfriend of John McGuire.
I like your answer. There's only one way to answer that. Yes,
it kind of sounded like you were holding your nose
at the time, and I completely agree. Okay, So if
Samantha Perry with the Bluefield Daily Telegraph is correct, and
I have strong reason to believe she is the motive
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from murder? Is the discovery of incest? Did does father
of four John McGuire find out his girlfriend is the
lover of her own dad? Take a listen to our
cut number three. This is Katie Johnston at WCCO four knees.
(29:55):
A Kentucky man and his two daughters are accused of
killing a Minnesota man last and Valentine's Day. The Bluefield
Daily Telegraph of West Virginia reports the victim, John McGuire,
was in a relationship with one of the two daughters.
Investigators say after the murder, the man and his daughter
across the state lines then to get married, and a
letter to court officials this month, Larry McClure from Kentucky
(30:16):
confesses to the killing and explains the roles he and
his daughters played in the crime. McClure tolda investigators his daughter,
Amanda McClure, was in a relationship with McGuire. Larry calls
Amanda the ringleader of the murder. Now Larry, Amanda, and
Anna Shoudery are all facing one counter first degree murder
for McGuire's death. So to Samantha Perry, editor the Bluefield
(30:39):
Daily Telegraph, am I correct. John McGuire was brutally murdered,
a painful death because he discovered his girlfriend was in
an incestuous relationship with her father. Yes, her father would
basically not tolerate her being with another man. So her
father had a jealous she was seeing someone else. That
(31:01):
was her implication. Yes, let's learn more. Take a listen
to our cut fifteen voice. Yes I did, Yes, I did.
And if it was three days the hill for you
or for them, I know what it was. For him.
It was living hill for you made the main center
(31:25):
and right believe that when they woke up it was
be on the street of Manasota. I didn't go to
doctor Michelle Dupree, former medical examiner and author, What was
the mode of death, doctor Dupree? And wasn't Nancy? Apparently
the person was injected with matthan vetamine, which could be lethal.
(31:47):
They were reportedly also strangled, which can obviously be lethal.
Um so, really without an examination of the body, it
would be difficult to tell. To Angela Ericson, the mother
of John's three children, Justice, Jacob, and Genesis, what did
you learn about John's murder? I've learned that he was
(32:12):
tied up and injected with mess and phetamines. And first
he was hit over the head with a wine bottle
that apparently he had gotten for him and Amanda have
a romantic dinner and Valentine's Day with and then through
you know, a course of one to three days. I'm
not really sure, they tortured him and told him that
(32:35):
the reason they were doing this was because he was
a criminal informant. And then I learned that they put
a garbage bag over his head and strangled him to death.
Take to listen to our friend Josh crap at w
d TV. Shandre said her father and sister began the
attack on McGuire, and that her father threatened her children
(32:56):
if she didn't help bounce. She described how McGuire was
hit in a head with a bottle of wine, tied
up and injected with meth amphetamine, and strangled. Chantrey pleaded
guilty to second degree murder, faces up to forty years
in prison and also our cut number three. Katie Johnson
WCCO goes on. McLure told the investigators his daughter, Amanda
(33:17):
McClure was in a relationship with McGuire. Larry calls Amanda
the ringleader of the murder. Now Larry, Amanda, and Anna
Shoudery are all facing one counter first degree murder for
McGuire's death. So let me understand how this whole thing
played out, Samantha Perry. What happened between those one and
three days that John McGuire was tortured till he died?
(33:42):
They did. Apparently he was hit on the head with
a blond bottle and injected with meth amphetamine and then
taught up and then they played out what they called
the trust game, which was basically, you know, having enough
(34:04):
trust in each other to allow them to be tied up.
But basically McGuire was tortured for three days and the
judge in one of the hearings actually described it as
three days of hell and Samantha Perry was the whole
torture and murder debacle, but because a fear John McGuire
(34:26):
would rap them out for incest. I'm not sure if
it was a fear of telling about the incest or
if it was more of a jealousy on the part
of Larry McClure and Amanda McClures did buy lent appen
actually took part in it, yes, and Larry McClure painted
(34:48):
his daughters as the ringleaders. Once this all of this
came out, basically all of them threw each each other
under the bus. You know, Larry blamed his daughters, the
daughters blamed their father and said this kind of became
a blamed game after it came to like, I want
you to hear John Thomas McGuire's mother, Karen Smith, for
(35:15):
you to marry your old daughter. That's low dame loved
on his dirt. But I don't want to live to
see you or one of your kid's dad before I leave.
Deserve God's stone, And I hope you remember how Luke
and how I talk, because if I headed my way,
I'd have everyone in y'all right, no letter every day
(35:36):
I killed your son, or at least year a mailed
to me, so y'all won't for you to be comes.
I don't thank y'all we even care. I don't think
you have what you care about what you done to
me and my right places, right comes r my daughters,
sounds sound comes. You're hearing Karen Smith chewing out the
(36:02):
defendant in this case, Larry Paul McClure, who murdered her son,
and in the end you hear him speaking unintelligibly, trying
to blame his daughters for the murder. All three took part,
and all three are behind bars, all over an incestuous
relationship that ended in an illegal marriage between father and daughter.
(36:28):
And there in the backyard lay John McGuire Nancy Grace
Crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,
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Nancy Grace
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