February 22, 2025 • 45 mins
Hours after Chris Watts made an emotional plea for help finding his missing wife and two young daughters, the Colorado man led police to their bodies hidden in oil tanks near where he worked.
Now after being convicted for the three murders, Chris Watts has labeled his pregnant wife, Shanann, a “control freak,” and claims that he sought refuge with his mistress. He says Nichol Kessinger was “everything my wife wasn’t like with me.” Watts confided to a jail mate that his marriage to Shanann was unhappy but Nichol was just everything my wife wasn’t like with me. She was just nice, and not a control freak." Later on, Watts told the jail mate that Kessinger became “the death of me.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
In the last days, a stunning development in the case
of so called killer Dad Chris Watts, suspect number one
in the brutal murder of his two children, Bella and Celeste,
and his gorgeous wife Shenan. I'm Nancy Grace, this is
Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So called killer Dad, Chris Watts, believed by many to
be responsible in the brutal murders of pregnant wife Sanan
and his two little girls, Bella and Celeste, now blames
his wife for his sex affair that quote led him
(00:52):
to murder her and their two young daughters.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yes, you are to me right, kill her dad.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Chris Watts continues to blame everyone but himself for his
horrific murders of his wife and two little girls. In
newly revealed letters, he labels his pregnant wife Shenan as
a quote control freak, and claims he sought refuge with
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his lover, his mistress, who he writes, was quote everything
my wife wasn't like with me. I cannot believe this
man he is actually blaming Sheanan, the mother of his
three children, two little girls and one unborn baby boy
(01:45):
for his triple homicide. Okay, what happened in their disappearance
and murders. I want you to hear the husband as
he begs for help.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I just want them back.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I just want them to come back.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And if if they're not safe right now, that's what's
that's what's tearing me apart, because if they are safe,
they're come back. But if they're not, this this this
has got to stop. Like somebody has to come forward.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Somebody come forward.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
The husband begging for help at that point, trying to
find his wife. She's gorgeous, a million dollars smile, long
brunette hair.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Shannon Watts.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I'm looking at a photo of her right now with
her two daughters, Celeste just three years old, Bella just four.
Straight out to Ellen Calaura joining us with crimeonline dot Com.
H Ellen, I want to start at the beginning as
this whole thing unravels. Tell me about Shannon's new job.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I want to start with that.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Shannon was having a lot of success selling weight loss
patches through multi level marketing company, and part of what
a multi level marketing job.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Is recruiting more salespeople.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
So she was sposting on Facebook all the time showing
how well she was doing. She was getting a car alliance,
so she's got a Lexus. She's going on work funded
vacations all the time. She's working really hard, but she's
also having the time of her life.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
And us with what we later learned that.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
The family had been having financial trouble and they had
filed for bankruptcy in two thousand and five, and Chris
had reportedly told some neighbors pretty recently that they were
thinking about selling the whole.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Uh oh.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Now here's a mom who has been devoting her entire
life to raising the two little girls, Celeste and Bella,
and then they hit hard times. The dad is no deadbeat,
he's been working too, so they fall on hard times
and they have to get out from under staggering debt
(03:53):
by following bankruptcy.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
She manages to land a job.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
At about eighty thousand dollars year, but part of that
job is having to travel away from her children, which
she hated she would leave for work. And I believe
this country is they call it health supplements. This eighty
thousand dollars job, she had a lot of trips to Mexico.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And Dominican Republic.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Her work often took her away from home, and that
leaves the husband, Christopher Watts, at home with the two
little girls. During this time, she gets pregnant and they
are looking forward to the birth of the first boy
in the family. Also with me renowned pathologist and medical examiner,
doctor Michelle Dupree, and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor
(04:44):
of Forensics, Jacksonville University and author of.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Blood Beneath My Feet.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
To you, Ellen Kilaurn, have you ever noticed realtors, Okay,
realtors always have beautiful cars.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I'm convinced they're all leased by the way.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Beautiful cars, beautiful clothes, beautiful jewelry. And I guess it's
part of the image they need to project. I mean, Ellen,
if you're going to go look at an apartment or
look at a house, you don't want to get in
a car doesn't crank up. It's all ratty and disgusting inside. Right,
So I'm not judging people on their cars, but it's
(05:24):
a facade that they need to present. This mom got
this job and had to present this facade exactly.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
It's part of the job to make it. It's part
of the presentation to make the whole experience.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Seem like something that you want to participate in. Her
job isn't just selling the weight loss patches, it's also
selling other people taking the kind of job that she has.
She's recruiting as well, so she has to protect project
an image that makes us look very, very enticing.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So she starts this job, and even amidst the new
job where she's really having to work and travel out
of town away from her two kids, they still are
considering selling the house.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Ellen, Yeah, that a.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Neighbor told a reporter.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
That just this week that Chris had kind of off
handedly mentioned that they were considering selling the house. So
it's really hard to say what their financial situation was like.
It seems like obviously there had been some trouble in
the past, but after they filed for bankercy is when
Shannan got this job, and also Chris had been working
at the petroleum company, so.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
They're both working.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
But it's hard to They've got two children, they've got another.
Speaker 8 (06:31):
On the way.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
That's a lot of financial pressure. It's hard to know
how easily they really were making end because, like you said,
a big part of Shannon's job was making the job
look really really attractive to other people.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
All we know is that, well, what was his job?
What was his job? Christopher Wats's job?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
As you worked for a petroleum company. He's been working
there since at least twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I want to get back to her going missing, Ellen,
When did that happen?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Give me the timeline.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
She had just got back to get another work trip
on early in the Monday morning hours.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Wait a minute, I want to clear something up. I
want to clear something up with me, Doctor Michelle Dupree,
Joe Scott Morgan, also New York psychiatrist, doctor Judith Joseph.
You know, I don't know if you have to travel
for work, doctor Michelle dupre But it sounds so glamorous.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
It is not glamorous.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Like this woman went to New Orleans, Toronto, Punta kind
of Dominican Republic, Puerto Valerta, Vega, San Diego. When you
travel for work, doctor Michelle Duprie, it is not glamorous.
I typically get off of a plane, I go straight
to the work soite, dragging my beat up suitcase behind me,
and I get there.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I work.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I work late because I want to hurry and work
as late as I can so I can get back earlier,
end up spending the night in a hotel, grab something
on the way, and then I get up as quickly
as I can, sometimes three or four in the morning,
to get to the airport to get back home.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
That's not glamorous, doctor Michelle Duprey, You're.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Exactly right, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
It is not very hiring, and you are worn out
by the time you can hunt.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So tell me this.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
She gets back Ellen from one of these trips, and
what happens.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
She gets back late, early in the hours of Monday morning,
he goes to work at five am. Apparently they stay
up together for three or four hours talking, and he
admitted that it was an emotional conversation. So that's going
to be a really big question in this case. What
was going on in that quote unquote emotional conversation.
Speaker 9 (08:36):
Well, so she wasn't seen again after that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well, you know, when one partner travels a lot. To
Doctor Judith Joseph, renowned New York psychiatrists joining us, that's
very hard. As a matter of fact, doctor Judith, when
my husband traveled constantly, he would leave on Sunday nine
(09:00):
and get back if I was lucky on Friday night
our entire relationship when we had the twins, I said, listen,
son's got to give. I cannot work and be on
call for crime related stories twenty four seven, three sixty five.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And you be gone.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It's just it's well, you know what, he started his
own business so he could name his own hours. But
doctor Juth, not everybody is that fortunate to be able
to just go run out and start your own business.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And it's hard when one.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That's very stressful on a family with two tots and
another on the way, for one parent to be gone
all the time. I guess they did have an emotional conversation.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
I agree with you, Nancy. You know, traveling is hard
on anyone to even people who don't have children. Stuff
us on depression, anxiety, sweep disorders related to extensive traveling.
And so then when you put that stress into the
mix with two young children, a husband who's hearing the
brunts of things, and you know, traditionally in our society,
(10:03):
some parts of this country are still very very traditional,
it's not common for the mother to leave the home,
and so there probably were a lot of feelings there,
and you know, sometimes people become in the community about
about this, and so I'm not sure what was happening
with this fami in particular.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
However, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 8 (10:22):
Travel is stressful and when one parent has to stay
behind and one partner has to stay behind, sometimes the
imagination goes wild and their accusations of jealousy and infidelity,
and we don't know what was happening in this family.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Killer dad Chris Watts is actually blaming his dead wife,
his dead murdered wife, Shenan for him murdering her and
their two little girls. And they're unborn. Baby boy he
was born by coffin birth, which means when the mom dies,
the mom's body expelled the baby. Yes, he was born
(11:16):
after his mom was murdered. He was born dead Kilerdacris
Watts blames his wife, claiming she was a control freak,
that that forced him to cheat with so many women,
and that because of her Shanan, he was forced to
murder her and Belle and Celeste. Okay, what happened in
(11:39):
their disappearance and murders.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Her flight got delayed from Arizona because like other storms
around the nation, she's supposed to get home like eleven,
She got home at like one forty eight. She came
home from the airport two am, and I left around
five point fifteen.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
She's still here.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
And like about twelve ten, and that for noon, her
friend Nicole showed up at the door. Like I had
texted Shan a few times that day, called her say
you know, but she never got back to me. But
she wasn't getting back to any of her people as well.
And that's what really concerned a lot of people, is
like she's not getting back to her but like she
doesn't get back to me, that's fine, Like she gets
busied during the day, but she gets back to her people,
(12:17):
which was very concerning. And Nicole called me when she
was at the door, and that's when I came home
and then walked in the house and nothing is vanished.
Nothing was here. I mean, she wasn't She wasn't here,
the kids weren't here, nobody was here.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
We are discussing the case of Shannon Watts. We want justice.
Shannon goes missing along with her two children, Bella and
Celeste little Toss, and to top it all.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Off, Shannon is pregnant.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I recall covering a case and I learned a startling statistics.
I believe it was from the New England Journal of
Medicine that the number one cause of death amongst pregnant
women in the US is homicide. The number one cause
of death. It's not heart failure, it's not stroke, it's
not anything you may imagine. It is homicide. Very disturbing,
(13:15):
joining me, Doctor Michelle Dupree, Joseph Scott Morgan daughted you,
Joseph and Ellen Calaurin.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So Ellen, she goes missing.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
We just heard the husband, Christopher Watts, begging for help
to try to find her.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I'm thinking this, Sooth.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
It's not like she'd run away with another man and
bring the two little girls, Bella and Celeste with her. Also,
she came home that night, she got home from out
of town. She has this discussion, probably related to the
out of town trips she had to take, and then
the husband is for work at five am. She's alive
(13:51):
and well, then, so how does she turn up dead?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And where? Ellen?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
As far as I know, there were not any accusations
of infidelity on her part, but apparently she did venture
to a friend at one point that she was wondering
if maybe her husband was being unfaithful.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Well according to and yes, yes, uh Mark Geragos, my
colleague defense attorney for Michael Jackson, Scott Peterson, Wenona Ryder,
He'll tell anybody a cheater a murderer does not make
and he's absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
But I can tell you this, when.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
You have a happy family and a happy marriage, the
husband's not waiting in the shadows to push the wife
over a cliff.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I know that much.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I also know this problems allegedly servicing just in the
past two months, because a coworker of Shannon's mom said
they may have been headed for divorce. Right when they're
turning the corner, Doctor Judith Joseph New York Psychiatrists joining us.
(14:57):
They yes, they went bankrupt in two thousand and five,
but they recently had enjoyed these lavish trips and alexis.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Automobile thanks to her new job.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It took out of town a lot, and then problems
began to surface at home and looks like they're turning
the corner on all their financial problems when she goes missing, Judith, well.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Yeah, I think that that's the statistics that you mentioned
about pregnant women and homiciding that you want cause of
death is so significant, and people don't realize this that partners,
people who are not pregnant husbands, they also experienced post
part and depression and stress. And it's not the same
(15:43):
cause it's not hormonal. There's a lot of transitions that
people have to face when they're having multiple children, and
you add the stress of finances, you add marital pressure
and maybe a third party as someone who's engaging in adultry,
and and then people exploded. And you know, I don't
know this family in particularly haven't treated any of them. However,
(16:05):
it sounds like they were trying to create this facade
disappearance that things were okay, and clearly things were not okay.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Well, another thing, Dotter j the Joseph as due to
the Joseph, everybody has those problems. Everybody that is married
with the family will have children to take care of, jobs,
financial pressures. And she certainly was never accused of having
a sex relationship with anybody else. So why does she
(16:35):
go missing and what does all of that have to
do with her body being discovered? Now, I can tell
you this much to Joseph Scott Morgan, I'm sorry, but
I just don't think men do as well as good
a job as women do raising children.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And here he is taking care of these two children.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Ellen, how does it go from him taking care of
the children and now she's dead and goes missing?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Ellen, Come on fast forward, Alan.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
This is a husband who had financially struggled in the past.
He's at home alone with two daughters. His wife is
having a lot of success. They have another baby on
the way.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
He could have been under a lot of stress, and he.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
May have felt that his role had been diminished in
the family.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Well, and I'm asking you, I'm not concerned about his
male ego.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Ellen. She's dead and now let me just Q and
A with myself here. Isn't it true? Cops believed she
was killed.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
In her home and then her body moved to and
A Darko oil and gas drilling properties.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Who worked there? May I ask you that, Ellen?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Who do we know worked at an A Darko oil
and gas drilling Name one person?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Chris Watt?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Thank you, That's what I'm talking about. Doctor Michelle Dupree
helped me out here. Pathologist, medical examiner. You know what
you and I talk about. When somebody kills, they very
often will do it or dispose of the body in
a place they are familiar. And I always point to
Scott Peterson. He's a fisherman. He goes fishing in San
(18:13):
Francisco Bay all the time. He fishes, He golfs and
he cheats. He fishes, he golfs and he cheats. It's
like rents and repeat on the back of your shampoo.
He fishes, he golfs, and he cheats. Where is lazy
his dead wife, an unborn child, Connor in San Francisco
Bay because he's company there, he goes and dumps the
bodies there, Doctor Michelle, you see it over and over.
Speaker 10 (18:36):
Exactly, you really do.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
We love it when they're dumb. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And here we've got in a darko oil and gas
drilling one of those properties where the husband, Christopher Watts
works and when to come and Joe, Scott Morgan, I
need expertise from you regarding how they might know the
mom and the two little girls were murdered in their
(19:01):
own home.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I called her three texted her about the times, just
to say, you know what's going on?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Like I didn't.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I could for that for the after I called her
and texted her once. It's like maybe she was just
busy like she had just gotten back, you know, like
everybody's probably calling her from her trip. She just got
backrom Arizona, and I figured just she was just busy.
But when her friend showed up, that's what it was like,
it registered like, all right, this isn't right right now.
I don't even want to just like throw anything out there,
(19:29):
like I hope that she's somewhere safe right now and
with the kids. But I mean, could she event could
she just taken off?
Speaker 10 (19:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
But if somebody has her and they're not safe, like
I want them back now like that that's what's in
my head, Like if they're safe right now, they're going
to come back. But if they're not safe right now,
that's what that's the not knowing part, Like if they're
not safe. Last night I was had everybody in the
house on I was hoping that I would just get
just ran over by the kids running in the door
(19:59):
and just like barrel Russian. But it didn't happen, and
it was just a traumatic night trying to be here.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Kill her dad, Chris Watts now blaming his quote control
freak quote wife, his words.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Not mine. I guess she did have to control things,
since she was.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The working mom, bringing home a salary, taking care of
two children, trying to decorate their home and make wonderful
dinners and dress the girls, all while she's pregnant. I
guess she did have to be a little bit of
a control freak, if you want to call it that,
I prefer to think of it as a loving mom
(20:45):
trying to give the best possible home and lives to
her children. And what did that get her with Chris
Watts being murdered along with her children? This guy, if
I could just get my hands around his neck, Chris
Watts kill her dad, blaming everyone but himself for the
murders of his wife and two children and one unborn
baby boy.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
We're learning all.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
This from writings from letters that he writes behind bars,
claiming his lover was everything his wife never was.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And just remember his two little girls, Bella four and Celeste.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Three, were in his truck as he carried their mom's
body to hide it at the oil fields where he worked.
He suffocated the two little girls one by one as
they begged for mercy and stashed their bodies in oil drums.
In addition to multiple handwritten letters, mostly about himself. He
(21:43):
shared his thoughts with an inmate, Dylan Tauman, a president
in Wisconsin who befriended watts Tallman was in a cell
next to Wattson. The two became friends jail buddies. Tauman
actually released a series of books titled The Cell next Door.
He says What's confided that his marriage to Sheanane was unhappy. Really,
(22:07):
then where did.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
The three children come from?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
What's whine that Shanan was quote really busy with her
job and that he was often the quote primary caregiver
to his daughters. Uh So, wats claims when he lost
Wade and started working out, women started paying attention to him,
and he quote met Nicole. She was quote everything my
(22:31):
wife wasn't like with me. She was just nice and
not a control freak. What's also trashed Nicole Kessinger, claiming
she Nicole quote became the.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Death of me.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
He also called her a quote Harlot and a quote
Jezebel who led him to destruction. Oh okay, so now
he's blaming his mistress. Okay, it's her fault that Shenan,
Bella and Celeste and the baby boy Nico are all dead,
(23:09):
he wrote a prayer of confession. Chris Watts quote, the
words of a harlot have brought me low. Her flattering
speech was like drops of honey that pierced my heart
and soul. Little did I know that all her guests
were in the chamber of death.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Can you believe this guy? What happened?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I don't want anybody to get some of those.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Texts, like they have nothing to do with this days
and they're.
Speaker 11 (23:34):
Just like between you and Chris, Yes, they're just they're
just so just tell me what you're They're.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Just kind of ronchies. Okay, Well need anybody, everybody's an adult.
We're gonna where. I don't need that. I don't want
the papers to get that.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
That's all I want, but only want that we would
be looking for again is the same kind of questions
we're getting to here, is things about his children, things
about his the questioning of did he ever you know,
has he ever said something to you.
Speaker 12 (24:05):
That might indicate maybe not then, but now that there
was something like this in his mind, or you know
what we're looking for. I don't need to come out
and tell you.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
That you are hearing the alleged mistress of killer dad
Chris Watts, and even in light of the fact that
his wife, his pregnant wife, and two little girls were
found dead. The mom Shenan Watts, buried in a shallow grave,
the two little girls found in that's of oil. She's
(24:37):
still whining about how she doesn't want to hand over
her cell phone to investigators because there are quote rawn
she texts, unless you want it on page six of
the New York Post, do not.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Put it in writing, and really don't even say it.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
If it's something you're ashamed of or something you don't
repeat it, just don't say it.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
For Pete's sake.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
And she is in a homicide investigation because she doesn't
want the world to see her RAUNCHI text, like I care.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
About her raunchy text.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Well, in the end, she did not impede the investigation.
She handed over the phone at Let's take a listen
to Nicole Kessinger, the girlfriend the mistress that finally comes
forward two days after Shania's disappearance, after she read newspaper articles.
Speaker 12 (25:26):
Listen on Tuesday, which would have been the fourteenth of August,
you had read some newspaper articles on the thirteenth and
the fourteenth regarded this case you had. Almoso had a
conversation with Chris at some point during the day on
Monday and on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Because of what you found.
Speaker 12 (25:43):
Specifically, what you said was and I don't know then
me put words in your mouth, but you found out
that his life whispering, and I yes, and you did
not know that prior, and you found that out via
the newspaper articles, and that caused you concern.
Speaker 13 (26:01):
Well, I just realized that he was lying to me,
and I was like, well, if you can lie to
me about this, what else are you.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
Lying to me about?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
And it made me realize that maybe.
Speaker 14 (26:08):
His wife was in danger at that point, and it
was day two too and she still wasn't home.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
What did that cause you to do with your phone?
Speaker 9 (26:15):
Though?
Speaker 13 (26:17):
Oh? When I deleted those, I was just kind of
grossed out by him, To be honest with you, I
was just like, I don't know what's going on right now,
but you just lied to me, and I don't want
to see this come over my phone anymore, so I
removed it.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
So you just you already said, but you removed text messages.
Speaker 14 (26:35):
I deleted all of his stuff because he lied to me.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I mean that's what it was.
Speaker 14 (26:39):
It was the hurt that made me delete it, and
then it was the lie that made me start questioning
everything else he'd been telling me for the last few days.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
And that's when you decided to come forward.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yes, you are hearing the voice on Nicole Kessinger kill
her dad. Chris Wats is the mistress during this time.
Joining me now in addition to Susan Constantine, Vincent Hill,
Ashley Wilcott, also with me is Ellenkilaur and Crime online
dot Com investigative reporter. You say there are inconsistencies, and
isn't it Trisha has some very unusual computer searches as well.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
Well, that's exactly right, Nancy, and the computer searches are
what I see as some inconsistencies. As you hear in
her discussions with the investigators, she talks about her relationship
with Chris as one where he was more serious about
her than she was about him. She says repeatedly she
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encouraged him to try and save his marriage. She says,
he has such a beautiful family, why not hold on
to this, this beautiful home. She says repeatedly that she
encouraged him to stay married and work on his marriage.
But once there was a data review of her.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Phone, it looks like me.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Maybe there there is some inconsistency. She had spent two
hours online doing a Google search for wedding dresses.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
She wait, is this the same woman that searched for
anal sex preparation?
Speaker 15 (28:16):
That is correct?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
You know it's funny how you gloss over the hard
parts and you make me say them. Okay, in addition
to the frothy wedding dress, I'm the one that has
to blurt out the anal sex searches.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Thanks Ellen. What else do we find on her searches?
She definitely.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
She did a search related to terms marrying your mistress?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Well, wha, wha, wha what? What? What did you say?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
She did it?
Speaker 6 (28:43):
She did a Google search term search of terms related
to the phrase marrying your mistress?
Speaker 11 (28:49):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
She did a search on how much she could make
if she wrote a book like Amber Fry.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
She yeah, I don't think it was specifically how much
can I make if I write a book, but she
absolutely was interested in She did Google searches on Amber
Fry and her book Dealing.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Oh okay, let me remind everybody who is Amber Fry?
Amber Fry was the mistress of Scott Peterson. Amber Fry
did not know Scott Peterson was married to a pregnant woman.
Amberfry then cooperated.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Completely with police.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
And actually caught Scott Peterson in damning cell phone conversations,
wire tapping him and as a matter of fact, there
was a fear that Peterson would come kill her, but
she stuck it out and she was a star witness
at the trial. It turned everything around in the Scott
Peterson prosecution and the murder of his pregnant wife Lacy
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and their unborn child, Connor. So you know, here you
hear Nicole Kessinger going, Wow, I don't want you to
find out to release my rawchy text. Amber Fry put
it out there and completely cooperated with police. She volunteered
to cooperate with police and was a star witness. She
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then later wrote a book, and I hope she made
a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Off that book.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
God bless her to Susan Constantine, deception body language expert.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
You know, I've got to give it.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
To Nicole Kessinger. Without her cooperation, this case may not
have cracked the way that it did. But according to
Ellen Klora and there's a lot of inconsistencies.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
Yeah, there are a lot of inconsistencies. And the thing
is is that it needs they need to go back
and be able to verify the information that she's given them.
But for overall, you know, when I'm listening to her Nancy,
there's a lot of truth in what she's saying. So
the issue was hard to come over. It's her lack
of emotion. You know, her emotion aspect is just completely off.
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She's very cavalier. Her tone of her voice can is
really off putting, and so she really sets herself up
for really scrutinize her because her personality is shining through
about how she you know, how how she sees the
entire situation and she how detached that she is. The
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part that bothers me the most is that she is
trying to pretend like, hey, I'm coming in, I'm the savior,
work things out with your wife, But yet she's kind
of like pushing them away, but then kind of motioning
to come closer. So she's she's very manipulative.
Speaker 14 (31:28):
At one point, he told me that they sat down
and they talked about it, and he told her that
he wanted to either fix things or like to try
to fix things, and if she didn't want to fix them,
then they needed to like move forward with the separation
and like actually file for a divorce. At this point
was the impression that I got from this and just
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what he told me.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
And so.
Speaker 14 (31:53):
He said that she was like pretty receptive to just
not trying. He was like, she seemed like she just
wants me go. He's like, when she has her mind
made up, she has her mind made up and that's
what she wants. And he's like, she doesn't want to
try anymore. And he's like, and neither do I really,
And he was like, it's done, and he's like and
then the next day, I don't even know what daisies were.
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Sometime when he was out there, he told me we're
putting the house up for sale as soon as we
get back. And I was like, well that was quick.
And he was like, it's her. She's ready to go,
and I was like, okay.
Speaker 15 (32:27):
It's the dramatic moment hops confront Chris Watts's mistress after
he murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters to start
a new life with her.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Why would you.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Why go your family to be The just.
Speaker 15 (32:41):
Released video shows thirty year old Nicole Cassinger being interrogated.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Did you ever see anything get him about her?
Speaker 11 (32:48):
Or never anything about his kids being a problem or
anything about.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
His wife being a problem.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Never?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
This shocked me just as much as I.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Can get shocked.
Speaker 15 (32:59):
Right, she breaks down, sobbing over the gruesome fate of
the children, four year old Bella and three year old Celeste.
Speaker 14 (33:07):
Ah, he's so disgusting.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I'm so ashamed of him.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Why wha, why?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Why?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
How?
Speaker 5 (33:13):
I don't even understand how you could like bring yourself
to do that.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Somebody who's like that.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Bit you are hearing girlfriend Nicole Kessinger, and you were
hearing our friend at Inside Edition, Jim Murray Susan Constantine,
Deception of body language expert. What do you make of
that where Nicole Kessinger the mistress breaks down in tears.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Well, it came on very sudden, So that's the one
thing that I look for, and also how quickly she
recovers after it. So that's what I'm looking at, is
that it's not unusual for someone just to break down,
but when you listen to her voice, there is there.
I'm listening for these kind of breaks or pauses and
their voice. But I'm not really hearing that. I'm not
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saying that she does not feel that way. I think
that she does. But what bothers me the most is
how quickly the onset of that emotion was and then
how quick it ended. That bothers me because there should
be remnants of it throughout once she has finished making
that statement, you should still hear her voice soil cracking
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up afterwards. So even though she's emotionally upset, she quickly
gets over it awfully fast. That's suspicious to me.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
To Ellenclaurincrime online dot Com investigative reporter, you mentioned inconsistencies.
What other inconsistencies have you discovered, because I think not
only was she genuinely upset about the best of the
deaths of Belle and Celeste, but also was distancing herself
because if she had known anything about this murder plot,
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she would have been erupted at doing jail time right now.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Yes, one thing that I want to make clear is
that even though there are some inconsistencies in her story,
it's also very very clear that Chris Watts lied to her.
She did not know Shannan Watts was pregnant, and he
told her that Shannon was gritty ready to leave the marriage,
when that is one not true.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
We see that.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
However, there's one other incidant of the interrogation when Nicole
tells police that.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
She never told any of her friends or anyone about her.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Relationship with Chris because it was very early on and
she was still, you know, working through a separation.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
But that ended up not being the case.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
She did have a text message exchange with a girlfriend
about her relationship with Chris, but and she called investigators
the next day and.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Told them that Alexis Terreschuk not just the girlfriend we've
been listening to Nicole Kessinger, but also some other woman
who played these kinky sex games with killer dad Chris Watts.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
There was a second mistress, a woman named a man
and her name was secret. All during you know, his
wife took their children to both of their parents live
in North Carolina. So she went for six weeks in
the summer with her girls when they were out of school,
to stay with his parents and her parents for a vacation.
And that is when he went wild.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
He was like a bachelor.
Speaker 9 (36:18):
Even his friends had joked with him, and this was
this was all the police report. Police report that the.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
County has released.
Speaker 9 (36:25):
The friends sent him a text and said, how is
your life as a bachelor, And he lied to his
friends and said, oh, you know, I'm just working out.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I'm not doing anything else.
Speaker 9 (36:33):
He wasn't working out.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Working out there, working out.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I can make a lot of crew judgs right now,
but I'm not jumping into.
Speaker 14 (36:40):
A new relationship is a little quick. It's like I
was in a relationship earlier this year, and I think
this is also a little quick. And I'm like, so
why don't we take our time? And I'm like, if
you guys end up doing a week on a week
off with your kids and like the week you have
your kids being with your children, and the week they don't,
I'm like, I don't even want to.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
See you every day.
Speaker 14 (37:00):
I'm like, I think we should spend like a few
days of that together. I'm like, because I like my
space and I think you need your space. I think
you need your space to like develop your identity again,
and like get it back because I think he's just
been like so wrapped up in this whole thing that
he's got in his own life and his life that
he I mean, he doesn't remember.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Probably what it's like to like be single or have time.
Speaker 14 (37:20):
Where it's like just him.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
And so I was just like, you know, like embrace that.
Speaker 14 (37:25):
It's a beautiful thing, and I really try to like
take it smart with all that. And it was the
same thing with his kids. It was just like, you know,
like and I and we talk about things every once
in a while where you know, I'd be like, hey,
if I ever meet you know, because like I have
a lot of house plants, it's a good example.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
So I have a lot of house plants.
Speaker 14 (37:40):
And I told I told him I was like, one day,
if I ever meet your kids, I was like, I'm
going to show these girls how to like.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Paint, pottery and plants plants.
Speaker 14 (37:49):
It was like, I think they would love to see
something grow that they build.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
I think it would be really.
Speaker 14 (37:53):
Really cute and like little stuff like that. But it
wasn't very frequent. It wasn't hey, we should get married,
and hey we should have babies and hay, I want
to live with you.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Hey, ne me to meet your.
Speaker 14 (38:03):
Children now, and let's cut the mom out.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
It was never like that.
Speaker 12 (38:07):
There was never any conversation about but you know, we
can't do this with her around.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
We can't do this with the kids around. He never
said that. You never said that.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, maybe they didn't talk about the marriage and the
moving in because there was a problem his wife, Shananne,
the pregnant wife. You know, I'm listening to the girlfriend,
Nicole Cassinger. Were these statements, like trust Chuck, before or
after the bodies were found?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Before? Okay, so she didn't yet know that the wife
and the children were dead.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Okay, that's a little that alleviates some of this, because
I was wondering, how could she talk about all that
when the bodies had just been recovered.
Speaker 16 (38:53):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Another aspect to this is police were listening.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
To her, but they were probably also looking at her
her as a potential person of interest, potential She did
not have anything to do with these murders.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Let's just be clear about that.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
So the wife and the children at this point are missing,
and she's just talking as fast as she can. She
conveniently left out the search for wedding dresses to people.
Quote hate Amber Fry, who was Scott Peterson's mistress when
Lacey's pregnant wife was murdered, how to prepare for anal sex. Oh,
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let's see, there's just so many to choose from. I
don't really know what to pick first. Alexis ter Restchuk.
I doubt pretty seriously she knew his plan to murder
his wife and children, or that he had another mistress.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Bring us up to date to Alexis to Restchuck.
Speaker 9 (39:46):
So I don't think she did know that he had
another mistress. There was a woman named Amanda and she
we secretly interviewed her before her name became public, and
she told us that she met Chris on a dating app.
They had a really dirty one night stand. She said
that he was into He wanted to do a rape fantasy,
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that he choked her out while they had sex, and
she loves.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
In the ripe fantasy. Was he the victim or was
she the victim?
Speaker 9 (40:15):
He was the victim, so he was the one that
was raping her in their sex fantasy that was consensual.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
She said, all that rage, all that hate towards women,
I just okay.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Go ahead.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
And she said that she really she had a really
good time with it. She thought he was really attractive
and it was a really sexy one night dancer. Yeah,
so he started cheating on his wife, his pregnant wife,
basically the same minute she got pregnant, and then he
moved on to not just cheating her, but having a
full born relationship and a woman who thought they were
going to get married. This is somebody who he facetimed
(40:52):
with this mistress. He so he killed his wife and children.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Why are you acting so indignant that the mistress thought
they were going to get married.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Mistress knew he was already married.
Speaker 9 (41:02):
I guess she had thought he was a marry in type,
but he would just bounce back from one and marry
her again. And so the night that the women went missing.
In the first night, I'm sorry the daughters and his wife,
he sat on his bed, his unmade bed in his bedroom,
on his phone, his iPhone, and face timed with her
so she could see. He said he was in the
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bed where.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
His wife had most likely died, and that he was
just chatting with her.
Speaker 9 (41:28):
She said he was staring at her very intently, and
he wasn't crying about his children missing or his wife missing.
He was just carrying on like a flirty conversation with her,
knowing that his wife was He had killed his wife
and his daughters in that merry house within the last
twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Wow, you know, it's it's interesting that people worry about
the you, Alexis, let me be clear, worry about how
the mistress was hurt. You know, to hey with the mistress,
she knew full well he was married with children, although
although I don't think she knew the wife was pregnant.
(42:05):
Vincent Hill, private investigator, author of Playbook to Murder. So
often the defense will be and I remember Mark Gerrigoes,
who never agree with him, but he is a good
defense lawyer would always say, an adulterer does not a
murderer make, and that's true. Just because you're having an affair,
it does not mean you're going to commit murder. But
in domestic homicides, very often you will find when the
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wife is murdered by the husband, there has been an affair.
So the converse to me is true. Very often in
domestic homicides you will find the killer is an adulterer.
True adulterer doesn't mean a killer necessarily, but the reverse
may very well be true.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Vincent Hill. They had to know they were going to
dig up at least one mistress. Vincent.
Speaker 16 (42:49):
What's really disturbing Nan too, I think with this other
mistress that he met on tender or whatever dating website.
It was the fact that he wanted to play out
this rape fan see and strangle her. I think he
was kind of setting the tone of what he was
going to do with his wife. And I wouldn't be
surprised if more women came forward at a later time,
(43:09):
whether it's from ten years ago, and say, yeah, he'd
liked to choke or strangle or something like that. So
I think all the signs were there this whole time,
and luckily for this other mistress, I think she got
out kind of lucky.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
To be honest with you, well, you know what, You're right,
You're right.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
And again, although we're giving her a hard time, she
is in no way implicated in his murderous plan. As
a matter of fact, listen to girlfriend Nicole Kessinger, you, no.
Speaker 14 (43:36):
It wasn't fair to his family for him to have
an affair. It wasn't fair to me to have him
lie to me and make me think that having is
the plan.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
And still to this day, I don't even know what's lion,
what's not. I don't even know if they were like.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Filing for divorce.
Speaker 14 (43:52):
I don't know if they were putting the house up.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I don't even know.
Speaker 13 (43:55):
I don't even know anymore what is real and what's not.
Speaker 14 (43:59):
But what I do know is it's just like, you know,
that wasn't fair to me either, because if I'd known
not even all the truth, but like obviously some of it,
I wouldn't have even engaged in any of this in
the first place. And it just I mean, and that's
the part for me, just like on my personal level,
outside of everything that is happening that is gonna affect
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me long term. It's like, you know, I'm gonna wake
up every day and know that like his mom and
her unborn child and these two little girls are not
around anymore, and it breaks my heart.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
It is, oh my god.
Speaker 14 (44:35):
Any and then I have to think about like the
consequences of his actions and how they affect everybody else, like.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
All of these her famili's impacted.
Speaker 14 (44:47):
My name is about to be like slandered for probably.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
A while, so called kill our dad.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Chris Watts now blames his wife for his sex affair
that quote led him to murder her and their two
young daughters. Life behind bars is too good for Chris Watts.
(45:14):
Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
In the last days, a stunning development in the case
of so called killer Dad Chris Watts, suspect number one
in the brutal murder of his two children, Bella and Celeste,
and his gorgeous wife Shenan. I'm Nancy Grace, this is
Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So called killer Dad, Chris Watts, believed by many to
be responsible in the brutal murders of pregnant wife Sanan
and his two little girls, Bella and Celeste, now blames
his wife for his sex affair that quote led him
(00:52):
to murder her and their two young daughters.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yes, you are to me right, kill her dad.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Chris Watts continues to blame everyone but himself for his
horrific murders of his wife and two little girls. In
newly revealed letters, he labels his pregnant wife Shenan as
a quote control freak, and claims he sought refuge with
(01:23):
his lover, his mistress, who he writes, was quote everything
my wife wasn't like with me. I cannot believe this
man he is actually blaming Sheanan, the mother of his
three children, two little girls and one unborn baby boy
(01:45):
for his triple homicide. Okay, what happened in their disappearance
and murders. I want you to hear the husband as
he begs for help.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I just want them back.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I just want them to come back.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And if if they're not safe right now, that's what's
that's what's tearing me apart, because if they are safe,
they're come back. But if they're not, this this this
has got to stop. Like somebody has to come forward.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Somebody come forward.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
The husband begging for help at that point, trying to
find his wife. She's gorgeous, a million dollars smile, long
brunette hair.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Shannon Watts.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I'm looking at a photo of her right now with
her two daughters, Celeste just three years old, Bella just four.
Straight out to Ellen Calaura joining us with crimeonline dot Com.
H Ellen, I want to start at the beginning as
this whole thing unravels. Tell me about Shannon's new job.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I want to start with that.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Shannon was having a lot of success selling weight loss
patches through multi level marketing company, and part of what
a multi level marketing job.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
Is recruiting more salespeople.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
So she was sposting on Facebook all the time showing
how well she was doing. She was getting a car alliance,
so she's got a Lexus. She's going on work funded
vacations all the time. She's working really hard, but she's
also having the time of her life.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
And us with what we later learned that.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
The family had been having financial trouble and they had
filed for bankruptcy in two thousand and five, and Chris
had reportedly told some neighbors pretty recently that they were
thinking about selling the whole.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Uh oh.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Now here's a mom who has been devoting her entire
life to raising the two little girls, Celeste and Bella,
and then they hit hard times. The dad is no deadbeat,
he's been working too, so they fall on hard times
and they have to get out from under staggering debt
(03:53):
by following bankruptcy.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
She manages to land a job.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
At about eighty thousand dollars year, but part of that
job is having to travel away from her children, which
she hated she would leave for work. And I believe
this country is they call it health supplements. This eighty
thousand dollars job, she had a lot of trips to Mexico.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And Dominican Republic.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Her work often took her away from home, and that
leaves the husband, Christopher Watts, at home with the two
little girls. During this time, she gets pregnant and they
are looking forward to the birth of the first boy
in the family. Also with me renowned pathologist and medical examiner,
doctor Michelle Dupree, and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor
(04:44):
of Forensics, Jacksonville University and author of.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Blood Beneath My Feet.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
To you, Ellen Kilaurn, have you ever noticed realtors, Okay,
realtors always have beautiful cars.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I'm convinced they're all leased by the way.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Beautiful cars, beautiful clothes, beautiful jewelry. And I guess it's
part of the image they need to project. I mean, Ellen,
if you're going to go look at an apartment or
look at a house, you don't want to get in
a car doesn't crank up. It's all ratty and disgusting inside. Right,
So I'm not judging people on their cars, but it's
(05:24):
a facade that they need to present. This mom got
this job and had to present this facade exactly.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
It's part of the job to make it. It's part
of the presentation to make the whole experience.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Seem like something that you want to participate in. Her
job isn't just selling the weight loss patches, it's also
selling other people taking the kind of job that she has.
She's recruiting as well, so she has to protect project
an image that makes us look very, very enticing.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
So she starts this job, and even amidst the new
job where she's really having to work and travel out
of town away from her two kids, they still are
considering selling the house.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Ellen, Yeah, that a.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Neighbor told a reporter.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
That just this week that Chris had kind of off
handedly mentioned that they were considering selling the house. So
it's really hard to say what their financial situation was like.
It seems like obviously there had been some trouble in
the past, but after they filed for bankercy is when
Shannan got this job, and also Chris had been working
at the petroleum company, so.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
They're both working.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
But it's hard to They've got two children, they've got another.
Speaker 8 (06:31):
On the way.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
That's a lot of financial pressure. It's hard to know
how easily they really were making end because, like you said,
a big part of Shannon's job was making the job
look really really attractive to other people.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
All we know is that, well, what was his job?
What was his job? Christopher Wats's job?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
As you worked for a petroleum company. He's been working
there since at least twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I want to get back to her going missing, Ellen,
When did that happen?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Give me the timeline.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
She had just got back to get another work trip
on early in the Monday morning hours.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Wait a minute, I want to clear something up. I
want to clear something up with me, Doctor Michelle Dupree,
Joe Scott Morgan, also New York psychiatrist, doctor Judith Joseph.
You know, I don't know if you have to travel
for work, doctor Michelle dupre But it sounds so glamorous.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
It is not glamorous.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Like this woman went to New Orleans, Toronto, Punta kind
of Dominican Republic, Puerto Valerta, Vega, San Diego. When you
travel for work, doctor Michelle Duprie, it is not glamorous.
I typically get off of a plane, I go straight
to the work soite, dragging my beat up suitcase behind me,
and I get there.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I work.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I work late because I want to hurry and work
as late as I can so I can get back earlier,
end up spending the night in a hotel, grab something
on the way, and then I get up as quickly
as I can, sometimes three or four in the morning,
to get to the airport to get back home.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
That's not glamorous, doctor Michelle Duprey, You're.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Exactly right, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
It is not very hiring, and you are worn out
by the time you can hunt.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So tell me this.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
She gets back Ellen from one of these trips, and
what happens.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
She gets back late, early in the hours of Monday morning,
he goes to work at five am. Apparently they stay
up together for three or four hours talking, and he
admitted that it was an emotional conversation. So that's going
to be a really big question in this case. What
was going on in that quote unquote emotional conversation.
Speaker 9 (08:36):
Well, so she wasn't seen again after that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well, you know, when one partner travels a lot. To
Doctor Judith Joseph, renowned New York psychiatrists joining us, that's
very hard. As a matter of fact, doctor Judith, when
my husband traveled constantly, he would leave on Sunday nine
(09:00):
and get back if I was lucky on Friday night
our entire relationship when we had the twins, I said, listen,
son's got to give. I cannot work and be on
call for crime related stories twenty four seven, three sixty five.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And you be gone.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It's just it's well, you know what, he started his
own business so he could name his own hours. But
doctor Juth, not everybody is that fortunate to be able
to just go run out and start your own business.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And it's hard when one.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That's very stressful on a family with two tots and
another on the way, for one parent to be gone
all the time. I guess they did have an emotional conversation.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
I agree with you, Nancy. You know, traveling is hard
on anyone to even people who don't have children. Stuff
us on depression, anxiety, sweep disorders related to extensive traveling.
And so then when you put that stress into the
mix with two young children, a husband who's hearing the
brunts of things, and you know, traditionally in our society,
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some parts of this country are still very very traditional,
it's not common for the mother to leave the home,
and so there probably were a lot of feelings there,
and you know, sometimes people become in the community about
about this, and so I'm not sure what was happening
with this fami in particular.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
However, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 8 (10:22):
Travel is stressful and when one parent has to stay
behind and one partner has to stay behind, sometimes the
imagination goes wild and their accusations of jealousy and infidelity,
and we don't know what was happening in this family.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Killer dad Chris Watts is actually blaming his dead wife,
his dead murdered wife, Shenan for him murdering her and
their two little girls. And they're unborn. Baby boy he
was born by coffin birth, which means when the mom dies,
the mom's body expelled the baby. Yes, he was born
(11:16):
after his mom was murdered. He was born dead Kilerdacris
Watts blames his wife, claiming she was a control freak,
that that forced him to cheat with so many women,
and that because of her Shanan, he was forced to
murder her and Belle and Celeste. Okay, what happened in
(11:39):
their disappearance and murders.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Her flight got delayed from Arizona because like other storms
around the nation, she's supposed to get home like eleven,
She got home at like one forty eight. She came
home from the airport two am, and I left around
five point fifteen.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
She's still here.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
And like about twelve ten, and that for noon, her
friend Nicole showed up at the door. Like I had
texted Shan a few times that day, called her say
you know, but she never got back to me. But
she wasn't getting back to any of her people as well.
And that's what really concerned a lot of people, is
like she's not getting back to her but like she
doesn't get back to me, that's fine, Like she gets
busied during the day, but she gets back to her people,
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which was very concerning. And Nicole called me when she
was at the door, and that's when I came home
and then walked in the house and nothing is vanished.
Nothing was here. I mean, she wasn't She wasn't here,
the kids weren't here, nobody was here.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
We are discussing the case of Shannon Watts. We want justice.
Shannon goes missing along with her two children, Bella and
Celeste little Toss, and to top it all.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Off, Shannon is pregnant.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I recall covering a case and I learned a startling statistics.
I believe it was from the New England Journal of
Medicine that the number one cause of death amongst pregnant
women in the US is homicide. The number one cause
of death. It's not heart failure, it's not stroke, it's
not anything you may imagine. It is homicide. Very disturbing,
(13:15):
joining me, Doctor Michelle Dupree, Joseph Scott Morgan daughted you,
Joseph and Ellen Calaurin.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So Ellen, she goes missing.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
We just heard the husband, Christopher Watts, begging for help
to try to find her.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I'm thinking this, Sooth.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
It's not like she'd run away with another man and
bring the two little girls, Bella and Celeste with her. Also,
she came home that night, she got home from out
of town. She has this discussion, probably related to the
out of town trips she had to take, and then
the husband is for work at five am. She's alive
(13:51):
and well, then, so how does she turn up dead?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And where? Ellen?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
As far as I know, there were not any accusations
of infidelity on her part, but apparently she did venture
to a friend at one point that she was wondering
if maybe her husband was being unfaithful.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Well according to and yes, yes, uh Mark Geragos, my
colleague defense attorney for Michael Jackson, Scott Peterson, Wenona Ryder,
He'll tell anybody a cheater a murderer does not make
and he's absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
But I can tell you this, when.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
You have a happy family and a happy marriage, the
husband's not waiting in the shadows to push the wife
over a cliff.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I know that much.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I also know this problems allegedly servicing just in the
past two months, because a coworker of Shannon's mom said
they may have been headed for divorce. Right when they're
turning the corner, Doctor Judith Joseph New York Psychiatrists joining us.
(14:57):
They yes, they went bankrupt in two thousand and five,
but they recently had enjoyed these lavish trips and alexis.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Automobile thanks to her new job.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It took out of town a lot, and then problems
began to surface at home and looks like they're turning
the corner on all their financial problems when she goes missing, Judith, well.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
Yeah, I think that that's the statistics that you mentioned
about pregnant women and homiciding that you want cause of
death is so significant, and people don't realize this that partners,
people who are not pregnant husbands, they also experienced post
part and depression and stress. And it's not the same
(15:43):
cause it's not hormonal. There's a lot of transitions that
people have to face when they're having multiple children, and
you add the stress of finances, you add marital pressure
and maybe a third party as someone who's engaging in adultry,
and and then people exploded. And you know, I don't
know this family in particularly haven't treated any of them. However,
(16:05):
it sounds like they were trying to create this facade
disappearance that things were okay, and clearly things were not okay.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Well, another thing, Dotter j the Joseph as due to
the Joseph, everybody has those problems. Everybody that is married
with the family will have children to take care of, jobs,
financial pressures. And she certainly was never accused of having
a sex relationship with anybody else. So why does she
(16:35):
go missing and what does all of that have to
do with her body being discovered? Now, I can tell
you this much to Joseph Scott Morgan, I'm sorry, but
I just don't think men do as well as good
a job as women do raising children.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And here he is taking care of these two children.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Ellen, how does it go from him taking care of
the children and now she's dead and goes missing?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Ellen, Come on fast forward, Alan.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
This is a husband who had financially struggled in the past.
He's at home alone with two daughters. His wife is
having a lot of success. They have another baby on
the way.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
He could have been under a lot of stress, and he.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
May have felt that his role had been diminished in
the family.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Well, and I'm asking you, I'm not concerned about his
male ego.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Ellen. She's dead and now let me just Q and
A with myself here. Isn't it true? Cops believed she
was killed.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
In her home and then her body moved to and
A Darko oil and gas drilling properties.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Who worked there? May I ask you that, Ellen?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Who do we know worked at an A Darko oil
and gas drilling Name one person?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Chris Watt?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Thank you, That's what I'm talking about. Doctor Michelle Dupree
helped me out here. Pathologist, medical examiner. You know what
you and I talk about. When somebody kills, they very
often will do it or dispose of the body in
a place they are familiar. And I always point to
Scott Peterson. He's a fisherman. He goes fishing in San
(18:13):
Francisco Bay all the time. He fishes, He golfs and
he cheats. He fishes, he golfs and he cheats. It's
like rents and repeat on the back of your shampoo.
He fishes, he golfs, and he cheats. Where is lazy
his dead wife, an unborn child, Connor in San Francisco
Bay because he's company there, he goes and dumps the
bodies there, Doctor Michelle, you see it over and over.
Speaker 10 (18:36):
Exactly, you really do.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
We love it when they're dumb. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And here we've got in a darko oil and gas
drilling one of those properties where the husband, Christopher Watts
works and when to come and Joe, Scott Morgan, I
need expertise from you regarding how they might know the
mom and the two little girls were murdered in their
(19:01):
own home.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I called her three texted her about the times, just
to say, you know what's going on?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Like I didn't.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I could for that for the after I called her
and texted her once. It's like maybe she was just
busy like she had just gotten back, you know, like
everybody's probably calling her from her trip. She just got
backrom Arizona, and I figured just she was just busy.
But when her friend showed up, that's what it was like,
it registered like, all right, this isn't right right now.
I don't even want to just like throw anything out there,
(19:29):
like I hope that she's somewhere safe right now and
with the kids. But I mean, could she event could
she just taken off?
Speaker 10 (19:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
But if somebody has her and they're not safe, like
I want them back now like that that's what's in
my head, Like if they're safe right now, they're going
to come back. But if they're not safe right now,
that's what that's the not knowing part, Like if they're
not safe. Last night I was had everybody in the
house on I was hoping that I would just get
just ran over by the kids running in the door
(19:59):
and just like barrel Russian. But it didn't happen, and
it was just a traumatic night trying to be here.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Kill her dad, Chris Watts now blaming his quote control
freak quote wife, his words.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Not mine. I guess she did have to control things,
since she was.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
The working mom, bringing home a salary, taking care of
two children, trying to decorate their home and make wonderful
dinners and dress the girls, all while she's pregnant. I
guess she did have to be a little bit of
a control freak, if you want to call it that,
I prefer to think of it as a loving mom
(20:45):
trying to give the best possible home and lives to
her children. And what did that get her with Chris
Watts being murdered along with her children? This guy, if
I could just get my hands around his neck, Chris
Watts kill her dad, blaming everyone but himself for the
murders of his wife and two children and one unborn
baby boy.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
We're learning all.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
This from writings from letters that he writes behind bars,
claiming his lover was everything his wife never was.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
And just remember his two little girls, Bella four and Celeste.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Three, were in his truck as he carried their mom's
body to hide it at the oil fields where he worked.
He suffocated the two little girls one by one as
they begged for mercy and stashed their bodies in oil drums.
In addition to multiple handwritten letters, mostly about himself. He
(21:43):
shared his thoughts with an inmate, Dylan Tauman, a president
in Wisconsin who befriended watts Tallman was in a cell
next to Wattson. The two became friends jail buddies. Tauman
actually released a series of books titled The Cell next Door.
He says What's confided that his marriage to Sheanane was unhappy. Really,
(22:07):
then where did.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
The three children come from?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
What's whine that Shanan was quote really busy with her
job and that he was often the quote primary caregiver
to his daughters. Uh So, wats claims when he lost
Wade and started working out, women started paying attention to him,
and he quote met Nicole. She was quote everything my
(22:31):
wife wasn't like with me. She was just nice and
not a control freak. What's also trashed Nicole Kessinger, claiming
she Nicole quote became the.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Death of me.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
He also called her a quote Harlot and a quote
Jezebel who led him to destruction. Oh okay, so now
he's blaming his mistress. Okay, it's her fault that Shenan,
Bella and Celeste and the baby boy Nico are all dead,
(23:09):
he wrote a prayer of confession. Chris Watts quote, the
words of a harlot have brought me low. Her flattering
speech was like drops of honey that pierced my heart
and soul. Little did I know that all her guests
were in the chamber of death.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Can you believe this guy? What happened?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I don't want anybody to get some of those.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Texts, like they have nothing to do with this days
and they're.
Speaker 11 (23:34):
Just like between you and Chris, Yes, they're just they're
just so just tell me what you're They're.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Just kind of ronchies. Okay, Well need anybody, everybody's an adult.
We're gonna where. I don't need that. I don't want
the papers to get that.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
That's all I want, but only want that we would
be looking for again is the same kind of questions
we're getting to here, is things about his children, things
about his the questioning of did he ever you know,
has he ever said something to you.
Speaker 12 (24:05):
That might indicate maybe not then, but now that there
was something like this in his mind, or you know
what we're looking for. I don't need to come out
and tell you.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
That you are hearing the alleged mistress of killer dad
Chris Watts, and even in light of the fact that
his wife, his pregnant wife, and two little girls were
found dead. The mom Shenan Watts, buried in a shallow grave,
the two little girls found in that's of oil. She's
(24:37):
still whining about how she doesn't want to hand over
her cell phone to investigators because there are quote rawn
she texts, unless you want it on page six of
the New York Post, do not.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Put it in writing, and really don't even say it.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
If it's something you're ashamed of or something you don't
repeat it, just don't say it.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
For Pete's sake.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
And she is in a homicide investigation because she doesn't
want the world to see her RAUNCHI text, like I care.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
About her raunchy text.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Well, in the end, she did not impede the investigation.
She handed over the phone at Let's take a listen
to Nicole Kessinger, the girlfriend the mistress that finally comes
forward two days after Shania's disappearance, after she read newspaper articles.
Speaker 12 (25:26):
Listen on Tuesday, which would have been the fourteenth of August,
you had read some newspaper articles on the thirteenth and
the fourteenth regarded this case you had. Almoso had a
conversation with Chris at some point during the day on
Monday and on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Because of what you found.
Speaker 12 (25:43):
Specifically, what you said was and I don't know then
me put words in your mouth, but you found out
that his life whispering, and I yes, and you did
not know that prior, and you found that out via
the newspaper articles, and that caused you concern.
Speaker 13 (26:01):
Well, I just realized that he was lying to me,
and I was like, well, if you can lie to
me about this, what else are you.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
Lying to me about?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
And it made me realize that maybe.
Speaker 14 (26:08):
His wife was in danger at that point, and it
was day two too and she still wasn't home.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
What did that cause you to do with your phone?
Speaker 9 (26:15):
Though?
Speaker 13 (26:17):
Oh? When I deleted those, I was just kind of
grossed out by him, To be honest with you, I
was just like, I don't know what's going on right now,
but you just lied to me, and I don't want
to see this come over my phone anymore, so I
removed it.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
So you just you already said, but you removed text messages.
Speaker 14 (26:35):
I deleted all of his stuff because he lied to me.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I mean that's what it was.
Speaker 14 (26:39):
It was the hurt that made me delete it, and
then it was the lie that made me start questioning
everything else he'd been telling me for the last few days.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
And that's when you decided to come forward.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yes, you are hearing the voice on Nicole Kessinger kill
her dad. Chris Wats is the mistress during this time.
Joining me now in addition to Susan Constantine, Vincent Hill,
Ashley Wilcott, also with me is Ellenkilaur and Crime online
dot Com investigative reporter. You say there are inconsistencies, and
isn't it Trisha has some very unusual computer searches as well.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
Well, that's exactly right, Nancy, and the computer searches are
what I see as some inconsistencies. As you hear in
her discussions with the investigators, she talks about her relationship
with Chris as one where he was more serious about
her than she was about him. She says repeatedly she
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encouraged him to try and save his marriage. She says,
he has such a beautiful family, why not hold on
to this, this beautiful home. She says repeatedly that she
encouraged him to stay married and work on his marriage.
But once there was a data review of her.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Phone, it looks like me.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Maybe there there is some inconsistency. She had spent two
hours online doing a Google search for wedding dresses.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
She wait, is this the same woman that searched for
anal sex preparation?
Speaker 15 (28:16):
That is correct?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
You know it's funny how you gloss over the hard
parts and you make me say them. Okay, in addition
to the frothy wedding dress, I'm the one that has
to blurt out the anal sex searches.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Thanks Ellen. What else do we find on her searches?
She definitely.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
She did a search related to terms marrying your mistress?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Well, wha, wha, wha what? What? What did you say?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
She did it?
Speaker 6 (28:43):
She did a Google search term search of terms related
to the phrase marrying your mistress?
Speaker 11 (28:49):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
She did a search on how much she could make
if she wrote a book like Amber Fry.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
She yeah, I don't think it was specifically how much
can I make if I write a book, but she
absolutely was interested in She did Google searches on Amber
Fry and her book Dealing.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Oh okay, let me remind everybody who is Amber Fry?
Amber Fry was the mistress of Scott Peterson. Amber Fry
did not know Scott Peterson was married to a pregnant woman.
Amberfry then cooperated.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Completely with police.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
And actually caught Scott Peterson in damning cell phone conversations,
wire tapping him and as a matter of fact, there
was a fear that Peterson would come kill her, but
she stuck it out and she was a star witness
at the trial. It turned everything around in the Scott
Peterson prosecution and the murder of his pregnant wife Lacy
(29:42):
and their unborn child, Connor. So you know, here you
hear Nicole Kessinger going, Wow, I don't want you to
find out to release my rawchy text. Amber Fry put
it out there and completely cooperated with police. She volunteered
to cooperate with police and was a star witness. She
(30:04):
then later wrote a book, and I hope she made
a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Off that book.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
God bless her to Susan Constantine, deception body language expert.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
You know, I've got to give it.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
To Nicole Kessinger. Without her cooperation, this case may not
have cracked the way that it did. But according to
Ellen Klora and there's a lot of inconsistencies.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
Yeah, there are a lot of inconsistencies. And the thing
is is that it needs they need to go back
and be able to verify the information that she's given them.
But for overall, you know, when I'm listening to her Nancy,
there's a lot of truth in what she's saying. So
the issue was hard to come over. It's her lack
of emotion. You know, her emotion aspect is just completely off.
(30:50):
She's very cavalier. Her tone of her voice can is
really off putting, and so she really sets herself up
for really scrutinize her because her personality is shining through
about how she you know, how how she sees the
entire situation and she how detached that she is. The
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part that bothers me the most is that she is
trying to pretend like, hey, I'm coming in, I'm the savior,
work things out with your wife, But yet she's kind
of like pushing them away, but then kind of motioning
to come closer. So she's she's very manipulative.
Speaker 14 (31:28):
At one point, he told me that they sat down
and they talked about it, and he told her that
he wanted to either fix things or like to try
to fix things, and if she didn't want to fix them,
then they needed to like move forward with the separation
and like actually file for a divorce. At this point
was the impression that I got from this and just
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what he told me.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
And so.
Speaker 14 (31:53):
He said that she was like pretty receptive to just
not trying. He was like, she seemed like she just
wants me go. He's like, when she has her mind
made up, she has her mind made up and that's
what she wants. And he's like, she doesn't want to
try anymore. And he's like, and neither do I really,
And he was like, it's done, and he's like and
then the next day, I don't even know what daisies were.
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Sometime when he was out there, he told me we're
putting the house up for sale as soon as we
get back. And I was like, well that was quick.
And he was like, it's her. She's ready to go,
and I was like, okay.
Speaker 15 (32:27):
It's the dramatic moment hops confront Chris Watts's mistress after
he murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters to start
a new life with her.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Why would you.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Why go your family to be The just.
Speaker 15 (32:41):
Released video shows thirty year old Nicole Cassinger being interrogated.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Did you ever see anything get him about her?
Speaker 11 (32:48):
Or never anything about his kids being a problem or
anything about.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
His wife being a problem.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Never?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
This shocked me just as much as I.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Can get shocked.
Speaker 15 (32:59):
Right, she breaks down, sobbing over the gruesome fate of
the children, four year old Bella and three year old Celeste.
Speaker 14 (33:07):
Ah, he's so disgusting.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I'm so ashamed of him.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Why wha, why?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Why?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
How?
Speaker 5 (33:13):
I don't even understand how you could like bring yourself
to do that.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Somebody who's like that.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Bit you are hearing girlfriend Nicole Kessinger, and you were
hearing our friend at Inside Edition, Jim Murray Susan Constantine,
Deception of body language expert. What do you make of
that where Nicole Kessinger the mistress breaks down in tears.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
Well, it came on very sudden, So that's the one
thing that I look for, and also how quickly she
recovers after it. So that's what I'm looking at, is
that it's not unusual for someone just to break down,
but when you listen to her voice, there is there.
I'm listening for these kind of breaks or pauses and
their voice. But I'm not really hearing that. I'm not
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saying that she does not feel that way. I think
that she does. But what bothers me the most is
how quickly the onset of that emotion was and then
how quick it ended. That bothers me because there should
be remnants of it throughout once she has finished making
that statement, you should still hear her voice soil cracking
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up afterwards. So even though she's emotionally upset, she quickly
gets over it awfully fast. That's suspicious to me.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
To Ellenclaurincrime online dot Com investigative reporter, you mentioned inconsistencies.
What other inconsistencies have you discovered, because I think not
only was she genuinely upset about the best of the
deaths of Belle and Celeste, but also was distancing herself
because if she had known anything about this murder plot,
(34:50):
she would have been erupted at doing jail time right now.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Yes, one thing that I want to make clear is
that even though there are some inconsistencies in her story,
it's also very very clear that Chris Watts lied to her.
She did not know Shannan Watts was pregnant, and he
told her that Shannon was gritty ready to leave the marriage,
when that is one not true.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
We see that.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
However, there's one other incidant of the interrogation when Nicole
tells police that.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
She never told any of her friends or anyone about her.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Relationship with Chris because it was very early on and
she was still, you know, working through a separation.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
But that ended up not being the case.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
She did have a text message exchange with a girlfriend
about her relationship with Chris, but and she called investigators
the next day and.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Told them that Alexis Terreschuk not just the girlfriend we've
been listening to Nicole Kessinger, but also some other woman
who played these kinky sex games with killer dad Chris Watts.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
There was a second mistress, a woman named a man
and her name was secret. All during you know, his
wife took their children to both of their parents live
in North Carolina. So she went for six weeks in
the summer with her girls when they were out of school,
to stay with his parents and her parents for a vacation.
And that is when he went wild.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
He was like a bachelor.
Speaker 9 (36:18):
Even his friends had joked with him, and this was
this was all the police report. Police report that the.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
County has released.
Speaker 9 (36:25):
The friends sent him a text and said, how is
your life as a bachelor, And he lied to his
friends and said, oh, you know, I'm just working out.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I'm not doing anything else.
Speaker 9 (36:33):
He wasn't working out.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Working out there, working out.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I can make a lot of crew judgs right now,
but I'm not jumping into.
Speaker 14 (36:40):
A new relationship is a little quick. It's like I
was in a relationship earlier this year, and I think
this is also a little quick. And I'm like, so
why don't we take our time? And I'm like, if
you guys end up doing a week on a week
off with your kids and like the week you have
your kids being with your children, and the week they don't,
I'm like, I don't even want to.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
See you every day.
Speaker 14 (37:00):
I'm like, I think we should spend like a few
days of that together. I'm like, because I like my
space and I think you need your space. I think
you need your space to like develop your identity again,
and like get it back because I think he's just
been like so wrapped up in this whole thing that
he's got in his own life and his life that
he I mean, he doesn't remember.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Probably what it's like to like be single or have time.
Speaker 14 (37:20):
Where it's like just him.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
And so I was just like, you know, like embrace that.
Speaker 14 (37:25):
It's a beautiful thing, and I really try to like
take it smart with all that. And it was the
same thing with his kids. It was just like, you know,
like and I and we talk about things every once
in a while where you know, I'd be like, hey,
if I ever meet you know, because like I have
a lot of house plants, it's a good example.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
So I have a lot of house plants.
Speaker 14 (37:40):
And I told I told him I was like, one day,
if I ever meet your kids, I was like, I'm
going to show these girls how to like.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Paint, pottery and plants plants.
Speaker 14 (37:49):
It was like, I think they would love to see
something grow that they build.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
I think it would be really.
Speaker 14 (37:53):
Really cute and like little stuff like that. But it
wasn't very frequent. It wasn't hey, we should get married,
and hey we should have babies and hay, I want
to live with you.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Hey, ne me to meet your.
Speaker 14 (38:03):
Children now, and let's cut the mom out.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
It was never like that.
Speaker 12 (38:07):
There was never any conversation about but you know, we
can't do this with her around.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
We can't do this with the kids around. He never
said that. You never said that.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, maybe they didn't talk about the marriage and the
moving in because there was a problem his wife, Shananne,
the pregnant wife. You know, I'm listening to the girlfriend,
Nicole Cassinger. Were these statements, like trust Chuck, before or
after the bodies were found?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Before? Okay, so she didn't yet know that the wife
and the children were dead.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Okay, that's a little that alleviates some of this, because
I was wondering, how could she talk about all that
when the bodies had just been recovered.
Speaker 16 (38:53):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Another aspect to this is police were listening.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
To her, but they were probably also looking at her
her as a potential person of interest, potential She did
not have anything to do with these murders.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Let's just be clear about that.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
So the wife and the children at this point are missing,
and she's just talking as fast as she can. She
conveniently left out the search for wedding dresses to people.
Quote hate Amber Fry, who was Scott Peterson's mistress when
Lacey's pregnant wife was murdered, how to prepare for anal sex. Oh,
(39:29):
let's see, there's just so many to choose from. I
don't really know what to pick first. Alexis ter Restchuk.
I doubt pretty seriously she knew his plan to murder
his wife and children, or that he had another mistress.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Bring us up to date to Alexis to Restchuck.
Speaker 9 (39:46):
So I don't think she did know that he had
another mistress. There was a woman named Amanda and she
we secretly interviewed her before her name became public, and
she told us that she met Chris on a dating app.
They had a really dirty one night stand. She said
that he was into He wanted to do a rape fantasy,
(40:08):
that he choked her out while they had sex, and
she loves.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
In the ripe fantasy. Was he the victim or was
she the victim?
Speaker 9 (40:15):
He was the victim, so he was the one that
was raping her in their sex fantasy that was consensual.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
She said, all that rage, all that hate towards women,
I just okay.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Go ahead.
Speaker 9 (40:28):
And she said that she really she had a really
good time with it. She thought he was really attractive
and it was a really sexy one night dancer. Yeah,
so he started cheating on his wife, his pregnant wife,
basically the same minute she got pregnant, and then he
moved on to not just cheating her, but having a
full born relationship and a woman who thought they were
going to get married. This is somebody who he facetimed
(40:52):
with this mistress. He so he killed his wife and children.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Why are you acting so indignant that the mistress thought
they were going to get married.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Mistress knew he was already married.
Speaker 9 (41:02):
I guess she had thought he was a marry in type,
but he would just bounce back from one and marry
her again. And so the night that the women went missing.
In the first night, I'm sorry the daughters and his wife,
he sat on his bed, his unmade bed in his bedroom,
on his phone, his iPhone, and face timed with her
so she could see. He said he was in the
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bed where.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
His wife had most likely died, and that he was
just chatting with her.
Speaker 9 (41:28):
She said he was staring at her very intently, and
he wasn't crying about his children missing or his wife missing.
He was just carrying on like a flirty conversation with her,
knowing that his wife was He had killed his wife
and his daughters in that merry house within the last
twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Wow, you know, it's it's interesting that people worry about
the you, Alexis, let me be clear, worry about how
the mistress was hurt. You know, to hey with the mistress,
she knew full well he was married with children, although
although I don't think she knew the wife was pregnant.
(42:05):
Vincent Hill, private investigator, author of Playbook to Murder. So
often the defense will be and I remember Mark Gerrigoes,
who never agree with him, but he is a good
defense lawyer would always say, an adulterer does not a
murderer make, and that's true. Just because you're having an affair,
it does not mean you're going to commit murder. But
in domestic homicides, very often you will find when the
(42:29):
wife is murdered by the husband, there has been an affair.
So the converse to me is true. Very often in
domestic homicides you will find the killer is an adulterer.
True adulterer doesn't mean a killer necessarily, but the reverse
may very well be true.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Vincent Hill. They had to know they were going to
dig up at least one mistress. Vincent.
Speaker 16 (42:49):
What's really disturbing Nan too, I think with this other
mistress that he met on tender or whatever dating website.
It was the fact that he wanted to play out
this rape fan see and strangle her. I think he
was kind of setting the tone of what he was
going to do with his wife. And I wouldn't be
surprised if more women came forward at a later time,
(43:09):
whether it's from ten years ago, and say, yeah, he'd
liked to choke or strangle or something like that. So
I think all the signs were there this whole time,
and luckily for this other mistress, I think she got
out kind of lucky.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
To be honest with you, well, you know what, You're right,
You're right.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
And again, although we're giving her a hard time, she
is in no way implicated in his murderous plan. As
a matter of fact, listen to girlfriend Nicole Kessinger, you, no.
Speaker 14 (43:36):
It wasn't fair to his family for him to have
an affair. It wasn't fair to me to have him
lie to me and make me think that having is
the plan.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
And still to this day, I don't even know what's lion,
what's not. I don't even know if they were like.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Filing for divorce.
Speaker 14 (43:52):
I don't know if they were putting the house up.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I don't even know.
Speaker 13 (43:55):
I don't even know anymore what is real and what's not.
Speaker 14 (43:59):
But what I do know is it's just like, you know,
that wasn't fair to me either, because if I'd known
not even all the truth, but like obviously some of it,
I wouldn't have even engaged in any of this in
the first place. And it just I mean, and that's
the part for me, just like on my personal level,
outside of everything that is happening that is gonna affect
(44:22):
me long term. It's like, you know, I'm gonna wake
up every day and know that like his mom and
her unborn child and these two little girls are not
around anymore, and it breaks my heart.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
It is, oh my god.
Speaker 14 (44:35):
Any and then I have to think about like the
consequences of his actions and how they affect everybody else, like.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
All of these her famili's impacted.
Speaker 14 (44:47):
My name is about to be like slandered for probably.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
A while, so called kill our dad.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Chris Watts now blames his wife for his sex affair
that quote led him to murder her and their two
young daughters. Life behind bars is too good for Chris Watts.
(45:14):
Goodbye friend,
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