December 26, 2024 • 41 mins
Kalie Goodwin tells a friend that she’s planning to stay in Houston for a few days with a new acquaintance called “Country.” Kalie says she doesn’t know him very well, but is looking forward to spending a few days in the city. “Country” arrives to pick up Kalie around 7:00, so her friend says her goodbyes as she watches Kalie get in the passenger seat of a grey sedan.
The day after Kalie heads to Houston, mom Kaci Richardson, gets a call from an unknown number. When she picks up, a man says he has Kalie, and he’ll hurt her unless Kaci pays him $500, an amount he claims Kalie stole from his car. In the background, Kaci can hear Kalie crying and screaming for help—then she hears her daughter get hit... with something metal. Kalie cries out, “Help me mom! They’re beating me. My face is so deformed.”
Kaci can hear someone continuing to hit Kalie, and eventually the caller tells them to stop. The caller tells Kaci to send the money to a Cash App account “1007Owens,” but until they receive the transfer, they will continue to hurt Kalie. When they hang up, Kaci frantically tries to call Kalie, but she isn’t picking up the phone.
Unsure what to do, Kaci calls Baytown police and gives them every detail of the call. However, officers are not convinced Kalie is really in danger. They ask Kaci if Kalie is low on cash or using drugs, and while Kaci denies both theories, officers still believe Kalie might be trying to scam her for money, and tell her the ‘ransom’ phone call is likely an elaborate hoax. Kaci continues trying to get in touch with her daughter, but with no luck, reports Kalie missing the next day.
Joining Nancy Grace Today: Kaci Richardson, Mother
- Wendy Patrick - California prosecutor, President and Founder of Black Swan Verdicts, Author: "Red Flags: Frenemies, Underminers, and Ruthless People" wendypatrickphd.com, ‘Today with Dr Wendy’ on KCBQ in San Diego, Twitter: @WendyPatrickPHD,
- Caryn Stark - Psychologist, renowned TV and Radio trauma expert and consultant, www.carynstark.com, Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice
- Brian Fitzgibbons - Director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security, uspasecurity.com, Instagram: @uspa_nationwide_security, Former. Marine and Iraq war veteran
- Lauren Conlin - Podcaster/Reporter/Host- Co-Host of Primetime Crime on YouTube. Website: www.popcrime.tv & primetimecrimeshow.com X- @Conlin_Lauren, Instagram- @LaurenEmilyConlin, YouTube: @PopCrimeTV
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What does a mysterious cash
at ransom note tell us about the missing Texas beauty? Tonight?
Where is Kelly? I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We're asking any residents in the city of Baytown in
the Houston area to check their properties, out buildings, and
any surveillance footage from the days around her disappearance. Any
detail could provide critical information to help us bring her
home and low care.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
That from our friends at kp RC two Houston. Kelly's
family is desperate for your help. Let me just give
you the tip line right off the top. Seven eight
six five zero nine seven one three five repeat seven
eight six five zero nine seven one three five everyone,
(00:57):
thank you for being with us tonight. Joining us is
Kelly's mother. First of all, straight out to Kelly's mother,
Casey Richardson, Miss Richardson, thank you for being with us.
I've just got to ask you, right off the top,
how do you put one foot in front of the
other with your baby missing? I call her your baby.
(01:18):
I know she's a grown, beautiful, lovely young woman, but
how are you doing it?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I have a autistic child i'm raising. Two of them
are in elementary, one of them is in three girls
that i'm raising still, and that is what's keeping me going.
I don't have a choice, these babies I have to raise.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
When did you first realize Kelly is missing? I wrote
the twenty second what happened Miss Richardson.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
It was about eleven something am and I got a
phone call from a unknown number that I didn't recognize,
and I picked it up and.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
All I could hear was a man yelling over and
over and over I want my f and money.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
I want my f and money. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
what's going on? And he's like, no, she e f
and stole from me. I want my f and money.
And I said wait, wait, who what's going on?
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Like?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
And then Kayley is in the background going, Mama, please
help me. My face is so disformed, Mama, please, And
I can hear them in the background, and every time
she tries, she'd get pistol whipped.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
How do you what makes you think she was being
pistol whipped in the background because the guy.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
In the other background, and the other guy in the
background was like, that's enough, man, that's enough. You know
no more and every time she got hate, I need
to hear her screaming.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Kelle Goodwin, a beautiful young girl. Her whole world in
front of her has seemingly vanished off the face of
the earth. And then this disturbing phone call to her mother,
Casey joining us, now joining me an all star panel
in addition to Kelly's mom straight out to Lauren Conlin
joining us investigative reporter. You can find her at Popcrime
(03:27):
Dot TV. Lauren, thank you for being with us. I
want to take this from A to Z starting at
the beginning. Tell me what happened at the onset, Lauren.
Speaker 7 (03:37):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (03:37):
So Kaylee was last seen being picked up by an
unknown person at her apartment in Baytown, and this was
twenty first, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
She told a friend that she was going to.
Speaker 9 (03:52):
Visit a friend in Houston, and now we know that
she subsequently went missing after her mother received this phone call.
Speaker 10 (04:00):
The day after Kaylee heads to Houston, mom Casey Richardson
gets a call from an unknown number. When she picks
up a man says he has Kaylee and he'll hurt
her unless Casey pays him five hundred dollars in amount
he claims Kaylee stole from his car. In the background,
Casey can hear Kaylee crying and screaming for help. Then
she hears her daughter get hit with something metal. Kaylee
(04:21):
cries out, help me, mom, they're beating me. My face
is so deformed.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Miss Richardson, are you convinced that your daughter was truly
being beaten? A lot of people are arguing, with which
I disagree. I might add, your daughter has no history
of scamming, of hoaxing, nothing, and from what I understand,
(04:46):
her screams were real. Describe again from me what you
heard on that call.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
A mother knows their child's scare, voice in scarecry.
Speaker 11 (05:00):
At the end of the day, you can't fake that
scare and that cry A mother knows.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And we learn more about this cash demand.
Speaker 12 (05:15):
Listen, Casey can hear someone continuing to hit Kaylee and
eventually the caller tells them to stop. The caller tells
Casey to send the money to a cash app account
one zero zero seven owens, but until they receive the transfer,
they will continue to hurt Kaylee. When they hang up,
Casey frantically tries to call Kaylee, but she isn't picking
up the phone.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Miss Richardson, what went through your mind at the end
of that hang up? I immediately called my husband.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
He walked off the site of his job twenty five
minutes away without saying anything. He came straight home and
we went straight to the police station.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Tell me how much were they asking for when they
were beating your daughter.
Speaker 13 (05:57):
This conversation went on for a good nine minutes. So
I at first was like, look, look, just calm down.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
And I tried to, you.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Know, blame the mama, bear with him.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
You know, like I understand, you know, And I tried
to compromise with him, and I'm like, just calm down.
And I realized this wasn't a joke, and I said, please,
I will get you the money.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Just stop hurting her. I beg you please stop hurting her.
Straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons, joining us Director Operations the
USPA Nationwide Security specializing and locating missing people. He has
served in Iraq and beyond. Brian, thank you for being
with us. Doesn't any idiot know that cash app is traceable? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (06:52):
This was certainly perplexing Nancy that the demand was made
to send a certain amount of six dollars to a
specific cash app, so it speaks to the mental state
of Kayley's captor, you know right away, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
But on the other hand, to Wendy Patrick, joining US
California prosecutor, founder of black Swan Verdicts and author of
Why Bad Looks Good and many more, Wendy, just like
you can set up a fake email, you can get
a fake phone. You know, you can have an alternate
cell phone number, untraceable, well for most purposes, untraceable back
(07:34):
to you. You can also set up a fake cash
app account. So it can be done.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
It's easy to be done, And Nancy, that's one of
the reasons we need much more than simply tracing a
current phone, whether it's a burner phone, whether it's a
current cash app. But one of the things that you
also want to look at is all the evidence surrounding
the use of the device. That would include geolocation if
you can get it, that would include voice, time of day,
(08:01):
sounds in the background, accent. So there's so much more
available to look at than simply the use of the device.
Because you're right, that's a dime a dozen. You buy
it at the store and then you throw it in
a trash can somewhere, but it's just one good place
to start when you're starting at the beginning of an investigation.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You know, Karen's starting with me. We're now a psychologist,
radio TV trauma experts. She's at karenstart dot com. Karen.
I find it very peculiar. Of course, I don't understand
the cause of crime, generally speaking, including especially violent crime.
But to go to all of this for six hundred
(08:38):
dollars to kidnap someone, beat them, call her mother, put
her mother in ha double l for six hundred dollars,
and then you use a cash app account, which is
easily traceable unless you've gone to the time and difficult
(09:00):
of creating a false cash app under somebody else's name,
going to a fake phone number, going to a fake email.
That's a lot of effort for six hundred dollars.
Speaker 14 (09:11):
I don't think it's about the six hundred dollars, Nancy,
and I don't think anyone else does. This is about
somebody who enjoys doing what he's doing. He's a sociopath,
he's a narcissist. He wants to inflict pain. He doesn't
have feelings, he has no emotions, so actually he gets
enjoyment from the fact that I'm sorry to her mom.
(09:33):
But he does get enjoyment from people suffering, or he
wouldn't be violent. He's out of control and that's his personality.
We need to understand that this is something that has
nothing to do with money and has everything to do
with him wanting to inflict pain.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It wouldn't be the first time that a ransom or
a kidnapp it was really masquerading that it was actually
something much more sinister. Do I need to bring up
the name John Benet Ramsey. In the John bene Ramsey case,
the amount of the ransom in itself was peculiar, much
(10:16):
as in the case the case in Chief of Killey.
It was one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, a very
peculiar amount for a kidnapper to ask for. Of course,
the ransom and the amount of that was all a
lie and it covered for a murder. John Beney was
not taken from the home. She was killed in the home,
(10:39):
and the so called kidnapper felt perfectly at ease sitting
in the home writing not only a ransom note, but
a practice ransom note. What does that mean in this case?
The case we're talking about today the case of Killy Goodwin.
To you, Brian Fitzgils, following up on what Karen start
(11:03):
just said about the ransom being bogus to six hundred dollars,
it's a crazy amount to go through all of that
for six hundred dollars, to beat Kelly, to call her
mother and inflict pain, emotional pain on her mother for
six hundred dollars, really, so what would be the genesis,
(11:23):
what would be the motive of this?
Speaker 7 (11:25):
Yeah, that doesn't make sense, Nancy. Six hundred dollars is
a wild amount of money to be demanding ransom from
from somebody's mother. You know, we have to be thinking
at this moment of you know, telling this story that
the person who's perpetrating this is not mentally stable in
(11:46):
the slightest that that her captor is not stable.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Crime Stories with Nancy Gray.
Speaker 10 (12:04):
Kaylee Brooke Goodwin, aged twenty nine, lives in Baytown, Texas,
a suburb of Houston. She's a beloved granddaughter, daughter, sister,
and dog mom to Pomeranian tinker Bell. Kaylee is close
with her mom, Casey Richardson, and is known as a
great friend with a sweet soul and a brilliant smile,
but when mom.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Calls Ellie law enforcement, she is highly disappointed and deeply
agitated by what they say listen.
Speaker 10 (12:33):
Unsure what to do, Casey calls Baytown Police and gives
them every detail of the call. However, officers are not
convinced Kaylee is in real danger. They ask Casey if
Kaylee is low on cash or using drugs, and while
Casey denies both theories, officers still believe Kaylee might be
trying to scam her for money and tell her the
ransom phone call is likely an elaborate hoax. Casey continues
(12:56):
trying to get in touch with her daughter, but with
no luck. Reports Kaylee the next day.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Man, I would be lying on the police station front
steps screaming if they tried to tell me, oh yeah,
your little girl's not missing. She's probably high on drug
she's probably with her boyfriend. She's probably trying to scam you.
That's total bs to Casey Richardson, this is Kelly's mom.
(13:21):
What happened when you try to report her missing? I
went to the police station with my husband. I didn't
call him. We went up.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
There and I went in there and I said, look,
this is what's happening.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Something is wrong.
Speaker 14 (13:39):
I need help.
Speaker 15 (13:40):
And the lady behind the desk said, look, we've had
a lot.
Speaker 11 (13:43):
Of scams go around. You know, it's probably a scam.
Speaker 15 (13:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I hate to tell.
Speaker 11 (13:49):
You, you know, And I'm like, listen, if something happened
to my daughter, I want something saying I was here.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
So then she goes behind the desk and gets a
wanted police officer in a in their their uniform, and
so then she walks out and hands me a card
and gives me the same thing.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You know, we've had a.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Lot of scams, and you know, if your daughter's on
drugs or you know, if she's doing something change, she's
trying to scam you.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And I hate to tell you that.
Speaker 15 (14:30):
So, thinking that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I needed to wait twenty four hours to do a
missing casing missing persons, I should have. I should have
figured it out. It's not twenty four hours. You do
not have to wait twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I didn't know that. I went back up there with.
Speaker 15 (14:49):
My husband the next day to the station.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
And I said him here to do a missing person's report,
and and.
Speaker 11 (15:00):
She acts like she didn't want to take it, and.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
She started asking questions and she said location, and I said,
excuse me.
Speaker 15 (15:12):
And she said, I need location or I can't do
the report.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I said, is this a joke?
Speaker 11 (15:22):
If I knew the location, I wouldn't be reporting her
is a missing person.
Speaker 16 (15:28):
Well there's ma'am.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I can't do nothing without a location. So I marked
out of there with my husband.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I'm crying.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I'm getting on the phone with my lawyer and I
he said, no, you marched right back in there, and
you give her her address.
Speaker 16 (15:43):
And I did, and.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
She took the report. It took a long time, with
an attitude.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
And who this person? Do you have the person's name
because they need to be fired. Uh. Yeah.
Speaker 17 (15:57):
This is right in the middle of the whole police
station getting moved to a brand new three story, so
everything is in chaos.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
They're moving the court to the three building.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
The forensics, everything, so everything is just.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Dis rad Let me ask you, was the police officer
suggesting that Kelly herself was scamming you or someone was
pretending to be Kelly, Because that actually is a scam
where someone pretends to be your child and they go, oh,
I've been in a car accident or I've got a
duy and I don't want to tell my family, can
you please send me five hundred dollars? That actually is
(16:42):
a real scam. And I investigated it and interviewed victims
that were scammed. Are they telling were they telling you that?
Or that Kelly herself was trying to jip you out
of money?
Speaker 15 (16:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Me, Kelly herself is trying to get me out of money.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
How would they know that? They don't know, Kelly.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
It took a week and a half before a detective
even you got a hold in me.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
To Wendy Patrick, a veteran prosecutor and founder of black
Swan of Verdicts, also author Wendy how many times have
we covered cases and investigated them ourselves where police and
sheriffs say, oh, she'll be back, she's out. You can
fill in the blank with her boyfriend. That's what they
(17:25):
said about Stacy Peterson. She's been missing how many years now?
You can fill in the blank. She's out doing drugs,
she's with her boyfriend, she's just taking a breather. She's
trying to scam you. Why that's not their decision to
make Wendy Patrick, You're right, We've.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Covered plenty, plenty of cases like this where you know.
Speaker 18 (17:46):
Investigation is an evidence based process, and that is true
whether or not you're investigating the substance of the tip
or whether you're investigating the credibility of the tip. And
without any evidence that there's an nefarious purpose behind the request,
behind the report in this case, behind what Kallie's mom
(18:07):
is saying, what Casey is expressing to the police, without
any evidence to doubt it, you would expect that that
would have moved forward instead now finding evidence of who
did it, the perpetrator, the motive, and everything else that's
involved in an investigation.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Now that's not to say there might be some cases
in some jurisdictions that come in with evidence of credibility issues,
but there's no evidence to believe that was true here,
and that's what's important.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Where is a Texas beauty Cally Goodwin goes missing? This
after her mother gets a horrific phone call where she
hears Kelly being beaten, screaming, crying. Then she hears an
unknown male demands six hundred dollars be sent to a
cash app Since then, no indication of Kelly's whereabout, but
(19:01):
we do now have a sliver of evidence. A gray
Sedan listen.
Speaker 12 (19:07):
Now officially considered a missing person bytown police confirmed with
Kaylee's friend that she last saw Kaylee getting into a
Gray Sedan around seven pm outside her apartment in the
thirty one hundred block of Deckor Drive. The friend tells
detectives Kaylee said she was going to South Houston. Meanwhile,
officers work to find the owner of the cash app
account the ransom caller provided. Finding the owner is a
(19:29):
Danielle Owens.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
So the guy demanding money is not the one registered
to that cash app account. That person would be a
mysterious Danielle Owens. But we're learning more. Listen. Kayleie Goodwin
wraps up a.
Speaker 12 (19:49):
Conversation with a friend, letting her know that she's planning
to stay in Houston for a few days, looking forward
to spending a few days in the city. Country arrives
to pick up Kaylee around seven o'clock, so her friends
s her goodbyes as she watches Kaylee get in the
passenger seat of a Gray s a Dan.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Now, when you hear the reporter with crimeonline dot Com
state Country, that's actually a guy's nickname, his moniker, his
street name. He goes by the name Country. Okay, first
things first, too, Lauren Collins joining US investigative reporter Lauren
Danielle Owens. That is what I want to hear first.
(20:28):
Who is Danielle Owens who actually owns or is registered
to the cash app.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Danielle Owens is actually dating this country character. And when
investigators began looking into Kaylee's disappearance and the Chevy Malibu
that she got into this the dan that night they
put two and two together. Danielle Owens was the owner
of this vehicle and also the owner of this cash
(20:58):
app account.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
To Wendy Patrick joining me, California prosecutor and author, Wendy,
I'm sure you have heard of the so called people
Court mom Michelle Parker. She goes missing after she drops
her children off, her two children off with her ex.
The last clue we've got for her is finding her
(21:21):
vehicle parked in an apartment complex. Why was it easy
to find her vehicle? Her vehicle had a company that
she started emblazoned on the side right in pink letters,
so cops were looking for that vehicle. So often we
(21:42):
trace people and crackcases based on vehicles. Here's another example.
Brian Coburger, who is yet to be proven guilty but
his wife Elantra was spotted by seven to eleven. A
convenience store clerk lately late at night, like three am
in the morning, flying by, not too far away from
(22:06):
the king wrote address where four beautiful University Idaho students
were murdered in their beds. So in the middle of
the night, the clerk happens to notice a car flying by.
But a lady clerk dug through hours and hours and
hours of video surveillance from the convenience store and spots
(22:28):
the white Elantra, Then a white spotted near the king
wrote address. Then a white Elantra matching that description is
found at Pullman, where Brian Coberg was getting his PhD
in criminology. So very often the car is the key, Wendy.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Absolutely true. And if you think of that, it's why
when we were back in high school, we knew what
everybody drove.
Speaker 15 (22:53):
We know what all our neighbors drive.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Our vehicles are extensions of ourselves, either personally or professionally.
But it is profound evidence when solving a missing person's case.
Not only does everybody have some kind of ring camera technology,
or at least most people do, attached to their home,
their vehicles their workplace. But we also tend to recognize
cars that we either see frequently or that we don't,
(23:17):
and that's one of the reasons even being associated with
the vehicle is something for the police to start with,
because a missing person is a community issue where everybody
pulls together, much in the way that you're going to
hear that it happens in this case like an area.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Let me go straight back out to a special guest,
Brian Fitzgibbons joining us USPA Nationwide Security. Could you explain
how a licensed grammar or a license plate reader LPR,
how does it work? And why can we rely on it?
Because I've never known it fail.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Yeah. So these are cameras, Nancy, that are capturing either
the front or the rear license plate of the vehicle
and then storing that data daytime location that's easily searchable
by investigators.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
And I think it's.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
Important to note here that Baytown PD was, you know,
as frustrating as the initial interaction may have been with
Miss Richardson, they were able to quickly sync up in
an interagency effort with Houston PD to get all this
information to start to track down Flowers.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
You know, you're pretty ready to forgive Baytown PD for
let me just say it's technical legal term crapping all
over the mother when she tried to report her daughter missing.
I'm supposed to give them credit for looping in Houston
PD and then they do the work. Is that what
you just said, because I'm not going for that.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
No, I'm certainly not quick to forgive. And you know
I'm working directly with Miss Richardson on this case, so
I share her frustrations wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I was just pointing out, what if they did pick
the phone up and ask Houston PD to help, which
they did. I've never known an LPR to be wrong. Ever.
I don't know necessarily understand all the technology, but I
don't need to. I don't need to know how it works.
I just need to know it works. So Lauren Conlin, again,
lpr's license plate readers critical, but my question is we're
(25:13):
missing a link right there. How did either Houston PD
or a Baytown PD get the tag number for the
license plate reader to work.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
Kayley was picked up at the Decker Drive apartments, and
investigators took the surveillance footage from the apartments and just
zeroed in on the license plate there, and that's when
they realized who the.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Carbew got it. Okay, brilliant Lauren Colin. Who did that?
Baytown PD or Houston PD?
Speaker 9 (25:43):
This is Assistant Chief Steve Doris, which I believe is
Baytown PD.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Okay, I got to give Baytown a little bit of
credit right now, because they got that license plate and
because of that, it was fed to a license plate reader,
and because of that, the vehicle was found near the
apartment complex where Kelly was last seen. Now here's a
whole nother can of worms. To Karen Stark, psychologists adjoining us, Karen,
(26:14):
you heard the French. She was at her friend's house
at the Ducker Apartments. That's where she got the ride
in the gray sedan and she went with the guy
Moniker Street named Country. She got in the car with
someone she didn't really know that well, do I have
to say, Natalie Holloway out on her senior trip and
she gets in the car with your vander Slut and
(26:36):
the Kalpoe brothers. She's never seen alive again, but she
had Karen Stark the sense that she knew you're in
vander Slute because he had been hanging around the group
the travel group from Birmingham, so she had had several
conversations with him and felt that she knew him well
enough to get in the car. She was wrong.
Speaker 14 (26:56):
And that's a common problem even here, Nati, because you
need to be very careful when it comes to going
anywhere with a stranger, and especially in this day and age,
you just never know who the other person is going
to be. You get a false sense of oh, he
seems so nice, I know him, but really don't do it.
(27:17):
And that's an important warning for everyone who's listening to this.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Where is Kelly. We are learning more from the Baytown Police. Listen.
Speaker 19 (27:26):
Maytown detectives identified a residence where the registered owner of
the phone that called Kayley's mother resided. That person was
identified as fifty five year old Kevin Patterson. Detectives discovered
evidence linking Kaylee to that residence and learned that while
at that residence she had been assaulted by mister Flowers
and taken from the residence.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
That from our friends a kp RC two Houston, we're
learning a lot, and we're learning that from Baytown Police.
They are redeeming themselves. We now know that Baytown detectives
id a residence from which the call was made. And
I assume they did that Brian Fitzgibbons by pinging the call. Yes, no,
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because it was a cell phone.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
Correct, That is correct, Nancy, that's a tremendous mind.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And we know the person that is registered to that
residence is fifty five year old Kevin Patterson. So now
I'm looking at three people. I've got the guy named
Country aka Kwon Flowers. I've got the person who is
registered to the cash app, his girlfriend, Danielle Owens. And
now I've got a guy who allows this call to
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be made. So now I've got three people involved in this.
You were just hearing the Baytown Assistant Chief Steve Doris speaking.
So back to Casey Richardson, this is Keilly's mother. That
must be overwhelming to think that it's not just one
guy who grabbed Keilly. Now you've got three people involved
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in her disappearance. So supposedly, in the background.
Speaker 16 (29:04):
Kevin kept saying all right, man, that's enough, that's enough.
He's like, no, no, over and over, I want my
freaking Winny. And he's like, that's enough, young, that's anough.
She supposedly Kevin pat it up and didn't want anything
else to go down in his house, or he made
Kevin leave with Kaylee.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Wife is Gibbons. You have been investigating this from the
get go. So to me, you look, out of three people,
you look for the weak link. Okay, since Kwan Flowers
aka Country is the one we think is beating her,
he is not going to roll over and confess. You
have to go to the girlfriend, or you have to
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go to the homeowner. They got so afraid he kicked
them out, sadly did not call nine one one, But
that must be where they're getting this information from the
homeowner or the girlfriend.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Correct, And I would say that it's nearly certain that
Patterson has given a statement and is cooperating with police.
Here he was audibly on the phone trying to get
the beatings to stop.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You're right, Brian. Listen.
Speaker 20 (30:13):
Both Kevin Patterson and Kwan Flowers are questioned about Kallie Goodwin.
Flowers only answer, last time I saw her, she was
in one piece. Flowers, who's on probation for a drug offense,
is charged with aggravated kidnapping and assault of kille Goodwin.
Flowers has a lengthy rap sheet in and out of
state and was even charged with murder in South Carolina
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twenty years ago, those charges were dropped.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Okay, Brianitzgibbons, USPA, you didn't tell me that Flowers aka
Country has a rap sheet as long as I seventy five.
When you have a group of suspects, you look for
the convicted felon. Tell me about this guy's rap shape.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Going back as far as two thousand and four in
South Carolina, Flowers was arrested in charge with murder. He's
got a long list of violent crimes year after year,
including animal cruelty charges in South Carolina as well armed robbery,
and then, most recently, right now, he is incarcerated and
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charged with the murder of twenty four year old Megan
Rouse in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Okay, wait a minute. Speaking of Megan Rouse, Now we
have a very grim connection with this guy who we
believe is the one beating Cayley a similar transaction. Listen.
Speaker 21 (31:43):
Twelve days after Kaylee's disappearance, twenty four year old Meghan
Rowse has found severely beaten and shot nine times, dumped
on adding Nos, a remote dirt road in South Houston.
Rowse last called a friend about an hour before her death,
and surveillance footage shows the only car that d down
Anagnos road between that call in Meghan's death is the
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same gray sedan driven by Kwon Flowers. Shellcasings found at
the scene are also connected to two other shootings.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 20 (32:24):
Aytown police are extremely concerned for Kayley's well being due
to Kuanflower's history of violence, and are asking the public
for help to bring Kaylee home. Kayley is five foot five,
one hundred and twenty pounds with long brown hair and
his lies. She was last seen wearing a sky blue
sun dress with a sunflower pattern, black sandals, and a
white hoodie.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
To Kelly's mother, Kasey Richardson joining us, did you ever,
in your wildest imagination think that you would be putting
out an APB all points bulletin on your daughter and
that she was wearing a blue dress with sunflowers and
sandals and her description? I did that ever cross your mind?
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This must seem like it's an episode of the Twilight Zone.
Speaker 13 (33:11):
It is, and I feel like I'm in a movie
because the Beytown Police put out a thing saying that
her last her last.
Speaker 15 (33:19):
Known of appearance was in Bayham. Okay, that's what they
have out there.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
That's not true.
Speaker 16 (33:26):
Her last appearance was that I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Understand Brian Fitzgibbons how there's so much misinformation out there.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Yeah, it's frustrating, right, because we know that her last
known location was in the vicinity of Irish Hill Drive
in Houston, Texas. Right, that's where we need to be
looking for eyewitnesses.
Speaker 21 (33:44):
William Ryan's and his adult daughter are watching TV in
their living room when they hear four gunshots. When they
feel safe enough to come out of cover, they find
shellcasings inside the home. Ryan's daughter later gets a text
message taunting her about the shooting, leading her to believe
that what was retaliation from acquaintance Country. She says about
a week before the shooting, Country lured her into his
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gray Sedan, tried to make her take drugs from him,
then tried a sexually assault her. She identifies Kwon Flowers
as Country.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
There we have our mo modus operandi, method of operation
and the connections to how this guy is identified as Country.
That's how we know that Kwan Flowers with a huge
rap sheet. Why was he out on bon I don't
know what, judge, what idiot judge did that, but out
on Bonn and here we have another would be kidnap victim.
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The mo O I understand, Lauren Conlin, is that he
lures a young girl into his gray sedan with the
promise of In that case, he tried to get her
to take drugs and then tried to rape her. I'm
not sure how he lures the person in the car.
I think in Killy's case, he met her, seemed like
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a guy, and offered her a ride to where she
wanted to go. But now we've got this woman as
an mo O witness, and we have Megan dead as
a similar transaction.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
Yes, this is allegedly a very very dangerous man, and
not only that, Nancy. When investigators zeroed in on Country
or Kwan Flowers, they actually saw a.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Gun, a picture of.
Speaker 9 (35:28):
A gun on his cell phone that matched the shell
casings in all of the events, the shooting of the
young woman and also Megan.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Ralph Brian Fitzgibbons. We have two believed accomplices, the owner
of the home where the call was made, the girlfriend
Daniel Owens, and now Flowers. But when he was asked
about Kelly, he gave a very nonchalant answer. She was
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in on pace last time I saw her. Where do
we go from here? I mean, think about it, Brian.
A mom gets this call with her daughter being assaulted.
We know he tried to rape another victim. We know
he shot Megan another victim. Where do we go from here?
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Yeah, it's and what I will say, Nancy, And we
can't share all of this information, but Baytown PD is
still executing search warrants as recently as ten days ago
for Kayley's case. I want to say this so everybody
can hear it. This is allegedly one of the more
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violent episodes of thirty forty five days in Houston history,
in the last perpetrated by one person, you know, from
the shooting at the apartment complex to Megan Rows and
then Kaylee's disappearance. We look at a lot of background reports, Nancy,
and this one was jumped off the page as one
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of the more shocking and it's absolutely disturbing how badly
the court system let Kaylee down and let her mother,
Casey down.
Speaker 15 (37:08):
Here.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
This man should have been behind buyers long ago.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I just don't understand. And of course we can all
say would have, could have, should have, Brian Fitzgibbons, but
letting a violent offender out on bond with a murder
charge to his credit. I just don't understand how any
judge in his or her right mind can do such
a thing, and then come along Keilly Goodwin, minding her
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own business. Never heard, wouldn't kill a fly, sweet, loving, trusting.
It reminds me a great deal of Natalie Holloway, no
reason to suspect anything evil at all, had always just
worshiped her mom. Just a beautiful girl. Casey, what is yours?
Speaker 15 (38:00):
So there's something else that has not been brought up
within those thirty days. He also shut a man blank
seven times in the face, but the same gun. And
not only that, there shifts thing as a clear alert.
Speaker 16 (38:17):
It was signed. I saw the sticker.
Speaker 15 (38:21):
Nobody's using this silver alert, and that's the age is
between we have eighteen to the senior citizens, okay, and
that's whenever you know that there's some distress and they're
supposed to put that up the silver alert. So please
tell me why I didn't get a detective for a
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week and a half after I did this missing report
to call me in a week. That gives him two
weeks to do whatever he feels with her remains or
her body or herself.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 22 (39:01):
I called anonymous and they were like, Kaylee, who uh, well,
do you have a A number.
Speaker 15 (39:13):
A crime number right And I was like, no, Maam,
I just heard that I need to call this number.
And they were like, well, you're gonna have to call
back during the order.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Monday to Friday business hours and find a detective stop to.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Here is the correct tip line number. Seven eight six
five zero nine seven one three five repeat seven eight
six five zero nine seven one three five. Casey, what
is your message to Kelly?
Speaker 15 (39:46):
This Mama bear has not stopped for you.
Speaker 16 (39:52):
That's what she called me, Mama bear.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
That's what they all call mean. I have not stopped.
Speaker 15 (40:00):
And baby, if I could have helped you and you called,
how it had been there? Old is stopping and I'm
sorry I couldn't help you, but I'm not stopping.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I'm not stopping.
Speaker 15 (40:23):
You see what I'm talking to right now? Keyy, you've
seen this Mom is not stopped and I will not stop.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
If you know or think you know anything about the
disappearance of Kelly Goodwin, please help us to applind seven
eight six five zero nine seven one three five repeat
seven eight six five zero nine seven one three five
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Nancy Grace signing off Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What does a mysterious cash
at ransom note tell us about the missing Texas beauty? Tonight?
Where is Kelly? I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We're asking any residents in the city of Baytown in
the Houston area to check their properties, out buildings, and
any surveillance footage from the days around her disappearance. Any
detail could provide critical information to help us bring her
home and low care.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
That from our friends at kp RC two Houston. Kelly's
family is desperate for your help. Let me just give
you the tip line right off the top. Seven eight
six five zero nine seven one three five repeat seven
eight six five zero nine seven one three five everyone,
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thank you for being with us tonight. Joining us is
Kelly's mother. First of all, straight out to Kelly's mother,
Casey Richardson, Miss Richardson, thank you for being with us.
I've just got to ask you, right off the top,
how do you put one foot in front of the
other with your baby missing? I call her your baby.
(01:18):
I know she's a grown, beautiful, lovely young woman, but
how are you doing it?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I have a autistic child i'm raising. Two of them
are in elementary, one of them is in three girls
that i'm raising still, and that is what's keeping me going.
I don't have a choice, these babies I have to raise.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
When did you first realize Kelly is missing? I wrote
the twenty second what happened Miss Richardson.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
It was about eleven something am and I got a
phone call from a unknown number that I didn't recognize,
and I picked it up and.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
All I could hear was a man yelling over and
over and over I want my f and money.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
I want my f and money. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
what's going on? And he's like, no, she e f
and stole from me. I want my f and money.
And I said wait, wait, who what's going on?
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Like?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
And then Kayley is in the background going, Mama, please
help me. My face is so disformed, Mama, please, And
I can hear them in the background, and every time
she tries, she'd get pistol whipped.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
How do you what makes you think she was being
pistol whipped in the background because the guy.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
In the other background, and the other guy in the
background was like, that's enough, man, that's enough. You know
no more and every time she got hate, I need
to hear her screaming.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Kelle Goodwin, a beautiful young girl. Her whole world in
front of her has seemingly vanished off the face of
the earth. And then this disturbing phone call to her mother,
Casey joining us, now joining me an all star panel
in addition to Kelly's mom straight out to Lauren Conlin
joining us investigative reporter. You can find her at Popcrime
(03:27):
Dot TV. Lauren, thank you for being with us. I
want to take this from A to Z starting at
the beginning. Tell me what happened at the onset, Lauren.
Speaker 7 (03:37):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (03:37):
So Kaylee was last seen being picked up by an
unknown person at her apartment in Baytown, and this was
twenty first, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
She told a friend that she was going to.
Speaker 9 (03:52):
Visit a friend in Houston, and now we know that
she subsequently went missing after her mother received this phone call.
Speaker 10 (04:00):
The day after Kaylee heads to Houston, mom Casey Richardson
gets a call from an unknown number. When she picks
up a man says he has Kaylee and he'll hurt
her unless Casey pays him five hundred dollars in amount
he claims Kaylee stole from his car. In the background,
Casey can hear Kaylee crying and screaming for help. Then
she hears her daughter get hit with something metal. Kaylee
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cries out, help me, mom, they're beating me. My face
is so deformed.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Miss Richardson, are you convinced that your daughter was truly
being beaten? A lot of people are arguing, with which
I disagree. I might add, your daughter has no history
of scamming, of hoaxing, nothing, and from what I understand,
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her screams were real. Describe again from me what you
heard on that call.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
A mother knows their child's scare, voice in scarecry.
Speaker 11 (05:00):
At the end of the day, you can't fake that
scare and that cry A mother knows.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And we learn more about this cash demand.
Speaker 12 (05:15):
Listen, Casey can hear someone continuing to hit Kaylee and
eventually the caller tells them to stop. The caller tells
Casey to send the money to a cash app account
one zero zero seven owens, but until they receive the transfer,
they will continue to hurt Kaylee. When they hang up,
Casey frantically tries to call Kaylee, but she isn't picking
up the phone.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Miss Richardson, what went through your mind at the end
of that hang up? I immediately called my husband.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
He walked off the site of his job twenty five
minutes away without saying anything. He came straight home and
we went straight to the police station.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Tell me how much were they asking for when they
were beating your daughter.
Speaker 13 (05:57):
This conversation went on for a good nine minutes. So
I at first was like, look, look, just calm down.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
And I tried to, you.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Know, blame the mama, bear with him.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
You know, like I understand, you know, And I tried
to compromise with him, and I'm like, just calm down.
And I realized this wasn't a joke, and I said, please,
I will get you the money.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Just stop hurting her. I beg you please stop hurting her.
Straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons, joining us Director Operations the
USPA Nationwide Security specializing and locating missing people. He has
served in Iraq and beyond. Brian, thank you for being
with us. Doesn't any idiot know that cash app is traceable? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (06:52):
This was certainly perplexing Nancy that the demand was made
to send a certain amount of six dollars to a
specific cash app, so it speaks to the mental state
of Kayley's captor, you know right away, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
But on the other hand, to Wendy Patrick, joining US
California prosecutor, founder of black Swan Verdicts and author of
Why Bad Looks Good and many more, Wendy, just like
you can set up a fake email, you can get
a fake phone. You know, you can have an alternate
cell phone number, untraceable, well for most purposes, untraceable back
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to you. You can also set up a fake cash
app account. So it can be done.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
It's easy to be done, And Nancy, that's one of
the reasons we need much more than simply tracing a
current phone, whether it's a burner phone, whether it's a
current cash app. But one of the things that you
also want to look at is all the evidence surrounding
the use of the device. That would include geolocation if
you can get it, that would include voice, time of day,
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sounds in the background, accent. So there's so much more
available to look at than simply the use of the device.
Because you're right, that's a dime a dozen. You buy
it at the store and then you throw it in
a trash can somewhere, but it's just one good place
to start when you're starting at the beginning of an investigation.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You know, Karen's starting with me. We're now a psychologist,
radio TV trauma experts. She's at karenstart dot com. Karen.
I find it very peculiar. Of course, I don't understand
the cause of crime, generally speaking, including especially violent crime.
But to go to all of this for six hundred
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dollars to kidnap someone, beat them, call her mother, put
her mother in ha double l for six hundred dollars,
and then you use a cash app account, which is
easily traceable unless you've gone to the time and difficult
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of creating a false cash app under somebody else's name,
going to a fake phone number, going to a fake email.
That's a lot of effort for six hundred dollars.
Speaker 14 (09:11):
I don't think it's about the six hundred dollars, Nancy,
and I don't think anyone else does. This is about
somebody who enjoys doing what he's doing. He's a sociopath,
he's a narcissist. He wants to inflict pain. He doesn't
have feelings, he has no emotions, so actually he gets
enjoyment from the fact that I'm sorry to her mom.
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But he does get enjoyment from people suffering, or he
wouldn't be violent. He's out of control and that's his personality.
We need to understand that this is something that has
nothing to do with money and has everything to do
with him wanting to inflict pain.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It wouldn't be the first time that a ransom or
a kidnapp it was really masquerading that it was actually
something much more sinister. Do I need to bring up
the name John Benet Ramsey. In the John bene Ramsey case,
the amount of the ransom in itself was peculiar, much
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as in the case the case in Chief of Killey.
It was one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, a very
peculiar amount for a kidnapper to ask for. Of course,
the ransom and the amount of that was all a
lie and it covered for a murder. John Beney was
not taken from the home. She was killed in the home,
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and the so called kidnapper felt perfectly at ease sitting
in the home writing not only a ransom note, but
a practice ransom note. What does that mean in this case?
The case we're talking about today the case of Killy Goodwin.
To you, Brian Fitzgils, following up on what Karen start
(11:03):
just said about the ransom being bogus to six hundred dollars,
it's a crazy amount to go through all of that
for six hundred dollars, to beat Kelly, to call her
mother and inflict pain, emotional pain on her mother for
six hundred dollars, really, so what would be the genesis,
(11:23):
what would be the motive of this?
Speaker 7 (11:25):
Yeah, that doesn't make sense, Nancy. Six hundred dollars is
a wild amount of money to be demanding ransom from
from somebody's mother. You know, we have to be thinking
at this moment of you know, telling this story that
the person who's perpetrating this is not mentally stable in
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the slightest that that her captor is not stable.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Crime Stories with Nancy Gray.
Speaker 10 (12:04):
Kaylee Brooke Goodwin, aged twenty nine, lives in Baytown, Texas,
a suburb of Houston. She's a beloved granddaughter, daughter, sister,
and dog mom to Pomeranian tinker Bell. Kaylee is close
with her mom, Casey Richardson, and is known as a
great friend with a sweet soul and a brilliant smile,
but when mom.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Calls Ellie law enforcement, she is highly disappointed and deeply
agitated by what they say listen.
Speaker 10 (12:33):
Unsure what to do, Casey calls Baytown Police and gives
them every detail of the call. However, officers are not
convinced Kaylee is in real danger. They ask Casey if
Kaylee is low on cash or using drugs, and while
Casey denies both theories, officers still believe Kaylee might be
trying to scam her for money and tell her the
ransom phone call is likely an elaborate hoax. Casey continues
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trying to get in touch with her daughter, but with
no luck. Reports Kaylee the next day.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Man, I would be lying on the police station front
steps screaming if they tried to tell me, oh yeah,
your little girl's not missing. She's probably high on drug
she's probably with her boyfriend. She's probably trying to scam you.
That's total bs to Casey Richardson, this is Kelly's mom.
(13:21):
What happened when you try to report her missing? I
went to the police station with my husband. I didn't
call him. We went up.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
There and I went in there and I said, look,
this is what's happening.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Something is wrong.
Speaker 14 (13:39):
I need help.
Speaker 15 (13:40):
And the lady behind the desk said, look, we've had
a lot.
Speaker 11 (13:43):
Of scams go around. You know, it's probably a scam.
Speaker 15 (13:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
I hate to tell.
Speaker 11 (13:49):
You, you know, And I'm like, listen, if something happened
to my daughter, I want something saying I was here.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
So then she goes behind the desk and gets a
wanted police officer in a in their their uniform, and
so then she walks out and hands me a card
and gives me the same thing.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You know, we've had a.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Lot of scams, and you know, if your daughter's on
drugs or you know, if she's doing something change, she's
trying to scam you.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And I hate to tell you that.
Speaker 15 (14:30):
So, thinking that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I needed to wait twenty four hours to do a
missing casing missing persons, I should have. I should have
figured it out. It's not twenty four hours. You do
not have to wait twenty four hours.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I didn't know that. I went back up there with.
Speaker 15 (14:49):
My husband the next day to the station.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
And I said him here to do a missing person's report,
and and.
Speaker 11 (15:00):
She acts like she didn't want to take it, and.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
She started asking questions and she said location, and I said,
excuse me.
Speaker 15 (15:12):
And she said, I need location or I can't do
the report.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I said, is this a joke?
Speaker 11 (15:22):
If I knew the location, I wouldn't be reporting her
is a missing person.
Speaker 16 (15:28):
Well there's ma'am.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I can't do nothing without a location. So I marked
out of there with my husband.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I'm crying.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I'm getting on the phone with my lawyer and I
he said, no, you marched right back in there, and
you give her her address.
Speaker 16 (15:43):
And I did, and.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
She took the report. It took a long time, with
an attitude.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
And who this person? Do you have the person's name
because they need to be fired. Uh. Yeah.
Speaker 17 (15:57):
This is right in the middle of the whole police
station getting moved to a brand new three story, so
everything is in chaos.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
They're moving the court to the three building.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
The forensics, everything, so everything is just.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Dis rad Let me ask you, was the police officer
suggesting that Kelly herself was scamming you or someone was
pretending to be Kelly, Because that actually is a scam
where someone pretends to be your child and they go, oh,
I've been in a car accident or I've got a
duy and I don't want to tell my family, can
you please send me five hundred dollars? That actually is
(16:42):
a real scam. And I investigated it and interviewed victims
that were scammed. Are they telling were they telling you that?
Or that Kelly herself was trying to jip you out
of money?
Speaker 15 (16:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Me, Kelly herself is trying to get me out of money.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
How would they know that? They don't know, Kelly.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
It took a week and a half before a detective
even you got a hold in me.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
To Wendy Patrick, a veteran prosecutor and founder of black
Swan of Verdicts, also author Wendy how many times have
we covered cases and investigated them ourselves where police and
sheriffs say, oh, she'll be back, she's out. You can
fill in the blank with her boyfriend. That's what they
(17:25):
said about Stacy Peterson. She's been missing how many years now?
You can fill in the blank. She's out doing drugs,
she's with her boyfriend, she's just taking a breather. She's
trying to scam you. Why that's not their decision to
make Wendy Patrick, You're right, We've.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Covered plenty, plenty of cases like this where you know.
Speaker 18 (17:46):
Investigation is an evidence based process, and that is true
whether or not you're investigating the substance of the tip
or whether you're investigating the credibility of the tip. And
without any evidence that there's an nefarious purpose behind the request,
behind the report in this case, behind what Kallie's mom
(18:07):
is saying, what Casey is expressing to the police, without
any evidence to doubt it, you would expect that that
would have moved forward instead now finding evidence of who
did it, the perpetrator, the motive, and everything else that's
involved in an investigation.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Now that's not to say there might be some cases
in some jurisdictions that come in with evidence of credibility issues,
but there's no evidence to believe that was true here,
and that's what's important.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Where is a Texas beauty Cally Goodwin goes missing? This
after her mother gets a horrific phone call where she
hears Kelly being beaten, screaming, crying. Then she hears an
unknown male demands six hundred dollars be sent to a
cash app Since then, no indication of Kelly's whereabout, but
(19:01):
we do now have a sliver of evidence. A gray
Sedan listen.
Speaker 12 (19:07):
Now officially considered a missing person bytown police confirmed with
Kaylee's friend that she last saw Kaylee getting into a
Gray Sedan around seven pm outside her apartment in the
thirty one hundred block of Deckor Drive. The friend tells
detectives Kaylee said she was going to South Houston. Meanwhile,
officers work to find the owner of the cash app
account the ransom caller provided. Finding the owner is a
(19:29):
Danielle Owens.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
So the guy demanding money is not the one registered
to that cash app account. That person would be a
mysterious Danielle Owens. But we're learning more. Listen. Kayleie Goodwin
wraps up a.
Speaker 12 (19:49):
Conversation with a friend, letting her know that she's planning
to stay in Houston for a few days, looking forward
to spending a few days in the city. Country arrives
to pick up Kaylee around seven o'clock, so her friends
s her goodbyes as she watches Kaylee get in the
passenger seat of a Gray s a Dan.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Now, when you hear the reporter with crimeonline dot Com
state Country, that's actually a guy's nickname, his moniker, his
street name. He goes by the name Country. Okay, first
things first, too, Lauren Collins joining US investigative reporter Lauren
Danielle Owens. That is what I want to hear first.
(20:28):
Who is Danielle Owens who actually owns or is registered
to the cash app.
Speaker 9 (20:35):
Danielle Owens is actually dating this country character. And when
investigators began looking into Kaylee's disappearance and the Chevy Malibu
that she got into this the dan that night they
put two and two together. Danielle Owens was the owner
of this vehicle and also the owner of this cash
(20:58):
app account.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
To Wendy Patrick joining me, California prosecutor and author, Wendy,
I'm sure you have heard of the so called people
Court mom Michelle Parker. She goes missing after she drops
her children off, her two children off with her ex.
The last clue we've got for her is finding her
(21:21):
vehicle parked in an apartment complex. Why was it easy
to find her vehicle? Her vehicle had a company that
she started emblazoned on the side right in pink letters,
so cops were looking for that vehicle. So often we
(21:42):
trace people and crackcases based on vehicles. Here's another example.
Brian Coburger, who is yet to be proven guilty but
his wife Elantra was spotted by seven to eleven. A
convenience store clerk lately late at night, like three am
in the morning, flying by, not too far away from
(22:06):
the king wrote address where four beautiful University Idaho students
were murdered in their beds. So in the middle of
the night, the clerk happens to notice a car flying by.
But a lady clerk dug through hours and hours and
hours of video surveillance from the convenience store and spots
(22:28):
the white Elantra, Then a white spotted near the king
wrote address. Then a white Elantra matching that description is
found at Pullman, where Brian Coberg was getting his PhD
in criminology. So very often the car is the key, Wendy.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Absolutely true. And if you think of that, it's why
when we were back in high school, we knew what
everybody drove.
Speaker 15 (22:53):
We know what all our neighbors drive.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Our vehicles are extensions of ourselves, either personally or professionally.
But it is profound evidence when solving a missing person's case.
Not only does everybody have some kind of ring camera technology,
or at least most people do, attached to their home,
their vehicles their workplace. But we also tend to recognize
cars that we either see frequently or that we don't,
(23:17):
and that's one of the reasons even being associated with
the vehicle is something for the police to start with,
because a missing person is a community issue where everybody
pulls together, much in the way that you're going to
hear that it happens in this case like an area.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Let me go straight back out to a special guest,
Brian Fitzgibbons joining us USPA Nationwide Security. Could you explain
how a licensed grammar or a license plate reader LPR,
how does it work? And why can we rely on it?
Because I've never known it fail.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Yeah. So these are cameras, Nancy, that are capturing either
the front or the rear license plate of the vehicle
and then storing that data daytime location that's easily searchable
by investigators.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
And I think it's.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
Important to note here that Baytown PD was, you know,
as frustrating as the initial interaction may have been with
Miss Richardson, they were able to quickly sync up in
an interagency effort with Houston PD to get all this
information to start to track down Flowers.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
You know, you're pretty ready to forgive Baytown PD for
let me just say it's technical legal term crapping all
over the mother when she tried to report her daughter missing.
I'm supposed to give them credit for looping in Houston
PD and then they do the work. Is that what
you just said, because I'm not going for that.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
No, I'm certainly not quick to forgive. And you know
I'm working directly with Miss Richardson on this case, so
I share her frustrations wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I was just pointing out, what if they did pick
the phone up and ask Houston PD to help, which
they did. I've never known an LPR to be wrong. Ever.
I don't know necessarily understand all the technology, but I
don't need to. I don't need to know how it works.
I just need to know it works. So Lauren Conlin, again,
lpr's license plate readers critical, but my question is we're
(25:13):
missing a link right there. How did either Houston PD
or a Baytown PD get the tag number for the
license plate reader to work.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
Kayley was picked up at the Decker Drive apartments, and
investigators took the surveillance footage from the apartments and just
zeroed in on the license plate there, and that's when
they realized who the.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Carbew got it. Okay, brilliant Lauren Colin. Who did that?
Baytown PD or Houston PD?
Speaker 9 (25:43):
This is Assistant Chief Steve Doris, which I believe is
Baytown PD.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Okay, I got to give Baytown a little bit of
credit right now, because they got that license plate and
because of that, it was fed to a license plate reader,
and because of that, the vehicle was found near the
apartment complex where Kelly was last seen. Now here's a
whole nother can of worms. To Karen Stark, psychologists adjoining us, Karen,
(26:14):
you heard the French. She was at her friend's house
at the Ducker Apartments. That's where she got the ride
in the gray sedan and she went with the guy
Moniker Street named Country. She got in the car with
someone she didn't really know that well, do I have
to say, Natalie Holloway out on her senior trip and
she gets in the car with your vander Slut and
(26:36):
the Kalpoe brothers. She's never seen alive again, but she
had Karen Stark the sense that she knew you're in
vander Slute because he had been hanging around the group
the travel group from Birmingham, so she had had several
conversations with him and felt that she knew him well
enough to get in the car. She was wrong.
Speaker 14 (26:56):
And that's a common problem even here, Nati, because you
need to be very careful when it comes to going
anywhere with a stranger, and especially in this day and age,
you just never know who the other person is going
to be. You get a false sense of oh, he
seems so nice, I know him, but really don't do it.
(27:17):
And that's an important warning for everyone who's listening to this.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Where is Kelly. We are learning more from the Baytown Police. Listen.
Speaker 19 (27:26):
Maytown detectives identified a residence where the registered owner of
the phone that called Kayley's mother resided. That person was
identified as fifty five year old Kevin Patterson. Detectives discovered
evidence linking Kaylee to that residence and learned that while
at that residence she had been assaulted by mister Flowers
and taken from the residence.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
That from our friends a kp RC two Houston, we're
learning a lot, and we're learning that from Baytown Police.
They are redeeming themselves. We now know that Baytown detectives
id a residence from which the call was made. And
I assume they did that Brian Fitzgibbons by pinging the call. Yes, no,
(28:09):
because it was a cell phone.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
Correct, That is correct, Nancy, that's a tremendous mind.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
And we know the person that is registered to that
residence is fifty five year old Kevin Patterson. So now
I'm looking at three people. I've got the guy named
Country aka Kwon Flowers. I've got the person who is
registered to the cash app, his girlfriend, Danielle Owens. And
now I've got a guy who allows this call to
(28:36):
be made. So now I've got three people involved in this.
You were just hearing the Baytown Assistant Chief Steve Doris speaking.
So back to Casey Richardson, this is Keilly's mother. That
must be overwhelming to think that it's not just one
guy who grabbed Keilly. Now you've got three people involved
(28:59):
in her disappearance. So supposedly, in the background.
Speaker 16 (29:04):
Kevin kept saying all right, man, that's enough, that's enough.
He's like, no, no, over and over, I want my
freaking Winny. And he's like, that's enough, young, that's anough.
She supposedly Kevin pat it up and didn't want anything
else to go down in his house, or he made
Kevin leave with Kaylee.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Wife is Gibbons. You have been investigating this from the
get go. So to me, you look, out of three people,
you look for the weak link. Okay, since Kwan Flowers
aka Country is the one we think is beating her,
he is not going to roll over and confess. You
have to go to the girlfriend, or you have to
(29:47):
go to the homeowner. They got so afraid he kicked
them out, sadly did not call nine one one, But
that must be where they're getting this information from the
homeowner or the girlfriend.
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Correct, And I would say that it's nearly certain that
Patterson has given a statement and is cooperating with police.
Here he was audibly on the phone trying to get
the beatings to stop.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You're right, Brian. Listen.
Speaker 20 (30:13):
Both Kevin Patterson and Kwan Flowers are questioned about Kallie Goodwin.
Flowers only answer, last time I saw her, she was
in one piece. Flowers, who's on probation for a drug offense,
is charged with aggravated kidnapping and assault of kille Goodwin.
Flowers has a lengthy rap sheet in and out of
state and was even charged with murder in South Carolina
(30:35):
twenty years ago, those charges were dropped.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Okay, Brianitzgibbons, USPA, you didn't tell me that Flowers aka
Country has a rap sheet as long as I seventy five.
When you have a group of suspects, you look for
the convicted felon. Tell me about this guy's rap shape.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Going back as far as two thousand and four in
South Carolina, Flowers was arrested in charge with murder. He's
got a long list of violent crimes year after year,
including animal cruelty charges in South Carolina as well armed robbery,
and then, most recently, right now, he is incarcerated and
(31:22):
charged with the murder of twenty four year old Megan
Rouse in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Okay, wait a minute. Speaking of Megan Rouse, Now we
have a very grim connection with this guy who we
believe is the one beating Cayley a similar transaction. Listen.
Speaker 21 (31:43):
Twelve days after Kaylee's disappearance, twenty four year old Meghan
Rowse has found severely beaten and shot nine times, dumped
on adding Nos, a remote dirt road in South Houston.
Rowse last called a friend about an hour before her death,
and surveillance footage shows the only car that d down
Anagnos road between that call in Meghan's death is the
(32:03):
same gray sedan driven by Kwon Flowers. Shellcasings found at
the scene are also connected to two other shootings.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 20 (32:24):
Aytown police are extremely concerned for Kayley's well being due
to Kuanflower's history of violence, and are asking the public
for help to bring Kaylee home. Kayley is five foot five,
one hundred and twenty pounds with long brown hair and
his lies. She was last seen wearing a sky blue
sun dress with a sunflower pattern, black sandals, and a
white hoodie.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
To Kelly's mother, Kasey Richardson joining us, did you ever,
in your wildest imagination think that you would be putting
out an APB all points bulletin on your daughter and
that she was wearing a blue dress with sunflowers and
sandals and her description? I did that ever cross your mind?
(33:08):
This must seem like it's an episode of the Twilight Zone.
Speaker 13 (33:11):
It is, and I feel like I'm in a movie
because the Beytown Police put out a thing saying that
her last her last.
Speaker 15 (33:19):
Known of appearance was in Bayham. Okay, that's what they
have out there.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
That's not true.
Speaker 16 (33:26):
Her last appearance was that I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Understand Brian Fitzgibbons how there's so much misinformation out there.
Speaker 7 (33:33):
Yeah, it's frustrating, right, because we know that her last
known location was in the vicinity of Irish Hill Drive
in Houston, Texas. Right, that's where we need to be
looking for eyewitnesses.
Speaker 21 (33:44):
William Ryan's and his adult daughter are watching TV in
their living room when they hear four gunshots. When they
feel safe enough to come out of cover, they find
shellcasings inside the home. Ryan's daughter later gets a text
message taunting her about the shooting, leading her to believe
that what was retaliation from acquaintance Country. She says about
a week before the shooting, Country lured her into his
(34:06):
gray Sedan, tried to make her take drugs from him,
then tried a sexually assault her. She identifies Kwon Flowers
as Country.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
There we have our mo modus operandi, method of operation
and the connections to how this guy is identified as Country.
That's how we know that Kwan Flowers with a huge
rap sheet. Why was he out on bon I don't
know what, judge, what idiot judge did that, but out
on Bonn and here we have another would be kidnap victim.
(34:39):
The mo O I understand, Lauren Conlin, is that he
lures a young girl into his gray sedan with the
promise of In that case, he tried to get her
to take drugs and then tried to rape her. I'm
not sure how he lures the person in the car.
I think in Killy's case, he met her, seemed like
(35:00):
a guy, and offered her a ride to where she
wanted to go. But now we've got this woman as
an mo O witness, and we have Megan dead as
a similar transaction.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
Yes, this is allegedly a very very dangerous man, and
not only that, Nancy. When investigators zeroed in on Country
or Kwan Flowers, they actually saw a.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Gun, a picture of.
Speaker 9 (35:28):
A gun on his cell phone that matched the shell
casings in all of the events, the shooting of the
young woman and also Megan.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Ralph Brian Fitzgibbons. We have two believed accomplices, the owner
of the home where the call was made, the girlfriend
Daniel Owens, and now Flowers. But when he was asked
about Kelly, he gave a very nonchalant answer. She was
(35:59):
in on pace last time I saw her. Where do
we go from here? I mean, think about it, Brian.
A mom gets this call with her daughter being assaulted.
We know he tried to rape another victim. We know
he shot Megan another victim. Where do we go from here?
Speaker 7 (36:18):
Yeah, it's and what I will say, Nancy, And we
can't share all of this information, but Baytown PD is
still executing search warrants as recently as ten days ago
for Kayley's case. I want to say this so everybody
can hear it. This is allegedly one of the more
(36:38):
violent episodes of thirty forty five days in Houston history,
in the last perpetrated by one person, you know, from
the shooting at the apartment complex to Megan Rows and
then Kaylee's disappearance. We look at a lot of background reports, Nancy,
and this one was jumped off the page as one
(36:59):
of the more shocking and it's absolutely disturbing how badly
the court system let Kaylee down and let her mother,
Casey down.
Speaker 15 (37:08):
Here.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
This man should have been behind buyers long ago.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
I just don't understand. And of course we can all
say would have, could have, should have, Brian Fitzgibbons, but
letting a violent offender out on bond with a murder
charge to his credit. I just don't understand how any
judge in his or her right mind can do such
a thing, and then come along Keilly Goodwin, minding her
(37:36):
own business. Never heard, wouldn't kill a fly, sweet, loving, trusting.
It reminds me a great deal of Natalie Holloway, no
reason to suspect anything evil at all, had always just
worshiped her mom. Just a beautiful girl. Casey, what is yours?
Speaker 15 (38:00):
So there's something else that has not been brought up
within those thirty days. He also shut a man blank
seven times in the face, but the same gun. And
not only that, there shifts thing as a clear alert.
Speaker 16 (38:17):
It was signed. I saw the sticker.
Speaker 15 (38:21):
Nobody's using this silver alert, and that's the age is
between we have eighteen to the senior citizens, okay, and
that's whenever you know that there's some distress and they're
supposed to put that up the silver alert. So please
tell me why I didn't get a detective for a
(38:43):
week and a half after I did this missing report
to call me in a week. That gives him two
weeks to do whatever he feels with her remains or
her body or herself.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 22 (39:01):
I called anonymous and they were like, Kaylee, who uh, well,
do you have a A number.
Speaker 15 (39:13):
A crime number right And I was like, no, Maam,
I just heard that I need to call this number.
And they were like, well, you're gonna have to call
back during the order.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Monday to Friday business hours and find a detective stop to.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Here is the correct tip line number. Seven eight six
five zero nine seven one three five repeat seven eight
six five zero nine seven one three five. Casey, what
is your message to Kelly?
Speaker 15 (39:46):
This Mama bear has not stopped for you.
Speaker 16 (39:52):
That's what she called me, Mama bear.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
That's what they all call mean. I have not stopped.
Speaker 15 (40:00):
And baby, if I could have helped you and you called,
how it had been there? Old is stopping and I'm
sorry I couldn't help you, but I'm not stopping.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I'm not stopping.
Speaker 15 (40:23):
You see what I'm talking to right now? Keyy, you've
seen this Mom is not stopped and I will not stop.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
If you know or think you know anything about the
disappearance of Kelly Goodwin, please help us to applind seven
eight six five zero nine seven one three five repeat
seven eight six five zero nine seven one three five
(40:52):
Nancy Grace signing off Goodbye friend,
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