December 4, 2025 • 44 mins
Brian Walshe pleads guilty to misleading police and improperly disposing of a body, leaving only the
murder charge for the trial.
Prosecutors believe Walshe is motivated to murder by an affair and a $2.7 million life insurance policy with Brian Walshe as the beneficiary. The state says unhappy marriage, sick internet searches, and DNA evidence all point to Brian Walshe as his wife Ana’s killer.
Three days before Ana Walshe is last seen alive, a PornHub video is viewed on Brian Walshe’s laptop about a “cheating wife,” tying in to prosecutors’ theory Walshe knew Ana was having an affair.
On cross-examination, an investigator admits the viewer did not specifically search for ‘cheating’ or ‘cuckold’ materials and may have stumbled on the video from an unrelated search for a particular actress.
Prosecutors paint the picture of the Walshe marriage as a crumbling house, and Ana befriends and becomes romantically involved with another man, William Fastow, and Brian is looking for a way out.
Ana is with Fastow on Christmas Eve and misses her flight back to Cohasset, ending up driving back home and missing most of Christmas with her family. Less than 48 hours later, Brian Walshe is online looking for favorable states for men to get a divorce.
On December 27, Brian Walshe makes several divorce-related searches, including “best strategies to divorce for a man” and “What’s the best state to divorce for a man?”
Walshe claims he discussed divorce with Ana several times due to his ongoing Andy Warhol fraud case, concerned about protecting their assets and children.
Walshe tells police Ana left home between 6 and 7 a.m. on January first for a "work emergency," and tells officers he did not question her because he didn't want to have another argument about missing a holiday.
Investigators begin looking at Walshe's internet activity and find out he searches for the name of his wife's lover, William Fastow, on Christmas Day.
On January 1, at 4:54 a.m., Walshe searches, "Best Way to Dispose of a Body."
Joining Nancy Grace:
- Matthew Morrise - Attorney and Digital Forensic Investigator at Morrise Thompson Foresta
- Dr. Cheryl Arutt - Licensed Clinical and Forensic Psychologist specializing in Trauma Recovery, PTSD and EMDR, website: CreativeEMDR.com; IG: @askdrcheryl
- Brian Fitzgibbons - VP of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security; Instagram: @uspa_nationwide_security, Kingsman Philanthropic's 2022 rescue missions of women and children in Ukraine, Iraq War Veteranide_security
- Dr. Thomas Coyne - Chief Medical Examiner, District 2 Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida; Forensic Pathologist, Neuropathologist, Toxicologist; X: @DrTMCoyne
- Anne Emerson - Senior Investigative Reporter, WCIV ABC News 4 (Charleston, SC); Host of Award-Winning Podcast: "Unsolved South Carolina: The Murdaugh Murders, Money and Mystery; X: @AnneTEmerson
- David Mack - Crime Stories Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Nobody no case, a prosecutor's worst nightmare, did a wife's
sex affair and in dismemberment after her house husband views
cook cold porn? What is that? What is cook porn?
(00:27):
We're going to find out. I'm Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Anna Walsh, a devoted wife and mother dedicated to building
a better life for her family, mysteriously goes missing while
her husband, Brian is no stranger to troubling pasts, including
a conviction for art.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Fraud, evidence amassing.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
In the disappearance of a beautiful, young mom of three
gorgeous little boys, Where is Anna Walsh? As the defense
for her husband insists nobody no case. As a matter
of fact, his theory on where his wife is that
she went to a SPA. Okay, straight out to doctor
(01:14):
Cheryl Eric joining us a clinical forensic psychologist specializing in
trauma just like this. You can find her at askdotor
Cheryl dot com. Doctor Cheryl, thank you for being with us.
Many theories have been bandied about regarding the disappearance of
this young working mom, Anna Walsh. Can I see a
picture of Anna, She's absolutely stunning.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I've got a ton of photos of her, if.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Only she would come home from the beauty spa where
she's been languishing for some time now, Doctor Cheryl, is
it true that when a woman is ready to leave
her husband or leave her partner she's on the verge
of leaving that and when she is pregnant are the
(02:00):
most dangerous time for a woman?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Why?
Speaker 5 (02:06):
That is one hundred percent true? And the reason that
when she is either pregnant or ready to leave an
abusive partner that it is the most dangerous time is
because he is losing control of her, and so he
in order to maintain control of her. That is when
it is most often that she is murdered by her
(02:27):
husband or partner or desired ex partner. And women are
overwhelmingly murdered by someone close to them, closest to them
as significant other of family member. Men are most often
murdered by strangers, So overwhelmingly when there is a murder
like this, the number one suspect tends to be the spouse.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So basically, any relations with men, you're signing your own
death want because overwhelmingly, as you just said, doctor Cheryl,
and you're correct, and you're backed up by statistics. It's
more likely that a woman is killed by an intimate
partner or even a love interest.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
They don't have to be intimate.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
They could be dating, they could have had one date,
they could be talking online.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
And another question regarding psyche and of course that's not
my will house.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Okay, I'm not driving down that lane. You are If Anna.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Walsh was murdered, and yes, I think she was, a
lot of people will wonder why, Just like in the
Brian Coburger case, a lot of people had a hard
time connecting the dots that Coburger would murder for innocent
University Idaho students with no connection to him at all.
(03:45):
He played guilty, So all of you conspiracy theories that
keep writing me online and stop.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
He plaged guilty under oath.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
He did it.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
People will wonder why, in a seemingly loving relationship would
the husband get a wild hair up as you know
what and murder his wife. Tell me about jealousy and
anger that simmers below the surface when the husband stays
home and the wife is the breadwinner.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
There's a tremendous amount of envy and often feeling emasculated
by this situation. This man was not able to move
to DC and join her, and she had a high paying,
high power job. He had some legal issues and problem.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Wait a minute, are you telling me the husband gets
upset that he doesn't have to get up out of
bed and go to work every day.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
That is the cause for insane hold on.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I was about to say insane jealousy, but I'm hearing
in my ear hold on.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Doctor Cheryl.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Joining me right now on the scene is Brian Fitzgibbons,
the director of Operations USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a
team of investigators all around the world and you can
find him at USPA Underscore Nationwide Underscore Security.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Brian, thank you for being with us. You're not in
the studio. Where are you, explained.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Nancy. Where I'm standing, I'm about half a mile from
the residence that brought that Anna Walsh police say was
murdered and dismembered by her husband, Brian Walsh. So the
residence is about half a mile down the road in Cohassett,
Massachusetts from where I'm standing.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Now, Okay, I just got a quick question for the
control room. Could I see that map very quickly. Bryan
fus Gibbons is joining us near the scene where we
believe Anna was murdered and dismembered.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And I've never seen on top.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Of a map husband hubby watches kinky porn before wife disappears.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Is that a city?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Is that a county? Don't know why that's on the map?
Control room. But that said, we'll get to the cuckold
porn in just a moment. Brian Fitzgibbons described the home
where many believe Brian Walsh murdered Anna a completely disposed
of the evidence.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
There is no body, and of.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Course Brian Walsh is running up and down the calls
of the courthouse in glee. There's nobody and he thinks
he will walk free. I beg to different describe the
home please.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
The residence is a single family, two story home. It's
it's a nice a nice house. It's set back off
of Route three A in Cohasset, Massachusetts, so it is
quite secluded in a quiet place to live.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know, when you say secluded, Brian Fitzgibbons, all I
can think of is the sound of.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
A power saw. You stated that it's two.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Story, Does that include a basement. Can you tell from
looking at the outside, because in my experience, even though
there were only three little boys at home that night,
that would have not had any idea about what was
going on for some reason, and we've seen it over
and over people retreat to the basement for Nefari's doings.
(07:13):
But can you tell if there is a basement.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
There is a basement, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
This is evident in police reports and just the standard
type of homes built out here, these two story colonial
homes in New England all have basements.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Tell me about the neighborhood place, Like I.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Said, the home the address is actually Route three A,
which is the main thoroughfare in Cohasset, But the house
itself is set back off the road about three hundred
yards down a private way, so there's not much of
a neighborhood per se that there would be neighbors potentially
(07:54):
hearing or seeing something.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I mean, cahasse.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Let me go to Ann Emerson joining us biv Is
Gibbons is on the scene there Inca has it and
Emerson joining a senior investigative reporter with criminally obsessed on
YouTube and she's the star of Unsolved South Carolina. The
murderach murders, money and mysteries and thank you for being
with us. And that is stinking rich, you know, compared
(08:20):
to where I came from, on a dirt road in
rural Georgia. But Ann, the median income is around two
hundred thousand dollars for the family. And I've seen Walsh's home.
They were sitting pretty. I don't get it. He's got
this beautiful wife, three gorgeous little boys. They're young, they're
little boys, this gorgeous home, everything, and he doesn't have
(08:45):
to work. He gets to lay around the house all day.
What's there to complain about? Ann Emerson.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
He's in big trouble, Nancy. He's in big, big trouble.
He's in a federal investigation because he is already been
found out to have been trying to send out forged
Andy Warhol paintings, if you can believe it, And he
is facing a federal investigation. He's facing a four hundred
(09:15):
thousand dollars restitution. His wife knows about it, and she's
not happy, and she has been moving toward her home
in DC. But he can't leave. He's not allowed to leave.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
He's looking at An and Emerson.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
This guy forges Andy Warhol's or he has somebody forged
them and then he sells them. I guess they came
with those little certificates of authenticity.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
Yeah, I mean, I think he definitely was trying to
look like the good guy here, like the loving, wonderful
husband and father that he was. But no, he was
a criminal and he was already in trouble.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
High profile lawyer joining US attorney and digital forensic investigator
Maurice Thompson FORESTA, thanks for being.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
With us, Matthew.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
How can a wife or a husband be duped that profoundly?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
She had no idea.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
She's married to a con man who's selling fake Andy Warhols.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
And not only that, he doesn't even.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Fake it very well because he gets busted by the Feds.
Speaker 9 (10:27):
Well, some people are really good at being common. I've
had lots of cases where people are able because they
believe what they say. They're able to be confident in
what they say and what they represent to other people,
and they're very good at getting people to believe them.
The problem comes when people stop believing them and they
still believe what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It all started when Anna Walch seemingly disappears as her
husband says, to go to a spa around the holidays.
I want you to hear what Walch says. Let's hear
from the horses mouth.
Speaker 10 (11:00):
And she woke me up around six parents and she
was going. She came down.
Speaker 11 (11:06):
I guess Thomas heard her and came down and she
said I have to go, and he said, I love
you very much, and she said I love you very much.
Speaker 10 (11:14):
And then he said, so that she left me run
in a taxi.
Speaker 11 (11:18):
But I don't think he saw it because it was
further down if you want to talk to him, but
he said as a taxi and I was like, he
was broad the bar. He said, want really even see it?
Speaker 10 (11:26):
Dad? So I was like okay. So he was coming
down begause.
Speaker 11 (11:29):
I think I could maybe Anna's a taxi and maybe
she's my driver, like, but I know that she was
not driving.
Speaker 10 (11:35):
There's village. She was driving her vehicul and there's like
zero possibility of that.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I want you to listen very carefully to Brian Walt
explaining what happened.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
To his wife.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You know, Brian Fitzgibbons, I love nothing better and you
have handled so many investigations.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Then when I get a very.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Long detailed statement from my target. Now, for many years
it wasn't on video. There may not be a recording,
and the jury, if there is one, had to just
believe what the cops said.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
This is on recording.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Now he says he actually ropes in one of his
little boys and says, oh, yes, my son saw her
leave in the car. I'm not sure he actually saw,
but yes, I think my son saw her leave. But
I heard her say here's my driver. That's a lot
of detail, Brian Fitzgibbons. And the more detail you can
(12:34):
give me, the more I can shoot you down. It
gives me one more bullet.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Yeah, as attorney Matthew Morris just said, you know, these
con men are very confident, and you know as it
leads towards almost like a narcissistic tendency to spin these
stories that they themselves have come to believe, and they
believe that they can convince law enforcement of what they're saying.
(13:00):
And really what they're doing is digging their whole deeper
and deeper and deeper with all of these details that
won't be able to be corroborated.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Brian has gibbons, you and I and I'm fascinating with this.
I love it when a defendant takes a stand or
gives a statement the way that they lie. I was
always amazed. I could watch Jody Arius all day and
all night, because it's like looking at a poisonous snake
or tarantula under a glass box.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I watch her lie, and she does it so well.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
She changed her story over and over and over to
explain how her boyfriend or ex boyfriend, Travis Alexander was
slaughtered naked in a shower.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
It went from one version.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
To the next, including that Ninja's dressed all in black,
came into the home and murdered him and somehow she
miraculously escaped. You gotta hear the detail Brian Walsh is
giving regarding that last morning his wife was home with
him and the boys. Okay, he even describes what she's
wearing when she gets ready for her trip to the SPA.
Speaker 11 (14:09):
Listen, she probably got two and a half or three
hours of sleep, okay, and then she e then she
gets up and you hear her like in the bath.
Speaker 10 (14:18):
And getting ready, and then and then it wasn't been six.
I didn't see the clock, but it was it was
dark outside still so and.
Speaker 11 (14:25):
That's when she came down and she does in the
final that cleans up and stuff like that.
Speaker 10 (14:29):
You know, did you sleep through that whole morning routine?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (14:33):
I did.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You know.
Speaker 10 (14:34):
I used to get up and she was like you
would be a boy there to get out, So I
was like, you're right, But she she talked and kisses me.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
She kisses him all right, that she's getting up in
her bathroom after only three hours of sleep and she's
getting ready to go, and she does a final clean
up and says I love you. And then to Dave
mac Crime Stories investigative reporter, then he really steps in
(15:05):
it because he talks about her calling saying I'm late,
I'm in the car. My flight was canceled, so I'm
gonna have to drive.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Is that what he says?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Because you know, calls from cell phones obviously can be tracked,
Dave Matt.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
You know, Brian Walsh, being the accomplished fabricator of his
own stories, messes up big time here when he starts
getting into those very specific things, saying that she had
drive instead of catching a flight. Well, as you just mentioned,
all of these things are trackable, but he doesn't realize
(15:45):
her phone is not with her, it's not singing with
her anywhere that he claims that she is. And all
of the things that he says are verifiable, and he
just keeps digging the hole. Nancy. But again, this is
not something that can't be proved because her cell phone
is popping up all around co hasard around the home.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You know another thing, Dave Matt and I remember catching
this two or three times a week to go to
d C to be with Larry King. There are flights
between DC, Boston, d C and LaGuardia on the hour,
on the hour. So his story is she was upset
(16:29):
because she missed that one flight, so decided to drive
to DC.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Wait, hey, just wait an hour.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's like a bus and you can catch the next one.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
But more important than.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
That is the fact that her phone pinged elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
So he's just spinning it all out, and you know
what control him.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
He just showed me a photo and I distinctly spot
a bruise over her eye in a little scratch. So wow,
I wonder how that happened. Isn't it true, Ann Emerson
that Anna Walsh had called police before in fear that
Brian Walsh would kill her.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
It was a very unhealthy relationship, and it sounds like
she was already in fear of her life, trying to
figure out what to do next, and had you know,
been confiding that there was issues, that her life was
a mess and that she needed help. And you know,
it's so interesting to hear, you know, from a forensic
(17:36):
psychologist about like what could be that this is the
most dangerous moment of her life. I mean, we were
coming to a head, weren't we. There was no way
she was going to be able to take that kind
of abuse any more. She had hit her limit. Obviously,
there was this moment that the dam was breaking. And
(17:58):
that's really what we're saying. This beautiful, gorgeous woman, very
petite and just so lovely, that she would have to
get to this point with a two year old, a
four year old, a six year old, little boys in
her home. We all know what it's like to get
into something with somebody at home, like a argument with somebody,
(18:22):
and you've got little kids at home, and you're just
trying to like not loud and not scare the children,
and you know, I can only imagine what this woman
had to deal with up until this moment. It is
just it's beyond nancy, It's beyond defense.
Speaker 12 (18:39):
Attorney Larry Tipton tells of the loving, wonderful marriage of
Brian and Anna Walsh. Tipton says the couple becomes closer
romantically as they take advantage of their limited time together
when Anna comes home on weekends.
Speaker 13 (18:51):
In the days leading.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Up to Anna's disappearance, Brian becomes consumed by jealousy, obsessively
watching explicit videos and spiraling into suspense of his wife's infidelity.
Could this have been the tippy point?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
What specifically is cut called porn? To you, Doctor Sheryl Erict,
What is cut porn?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
It's pornography that eroticizes a partner cheating on you. And
it can be voyeuristic of somebody watching their partner be
with someone else, either with them in the room or
them watching somebody cheating on somebody else. It can be
a way of eroticizing that loss of control, a way
(19:37):
of trying to gain control over this. But it is
juxtaposed with this guy basically feeling this very common feeling
of if I can't have you, no one can. So
I look at this like he went back and forth
between trying to turn this into something sexual, to gain
(19:59):
ca control of it, or to understand it. And at
the same time.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
You know why, Dinna Cheryl, I really respect you, but
I doubt pretty seriously. He's watching porn hub to get
a deeper understanding of his wife's psyche.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I'm not buying that. Listen.
Speaker 12 (20:15):
Three days before Anna Walsh has last seen alive, a
pornhub video is viewed on Brian Walsh's laptop about a
cheating wife. Tying into prosecutor's theory, Walsh knew Anna was
having an affair.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
RYF has Gibbons joining US Director Operations, USPA Nationwide Security.
He's joining us from the ritzy neighborhood of Cahasset where
police believe Anna Walsh was murdered and dismembered. You know,
you and I I believe agree Brian has Gibbons that
there is no coincidence in criminal law, and I do
(21:00):
not believe that Brian Walsh stumbled upon porn hub videos,
cook porn, cuckold porn.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
You know where it is, as doctor RYL.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Errett said, romanticized, like the husband comes home and he
takes off his jacket from a long day at work
and whoops, there his wife is in this five hundred
dollars Victoria Secret ensemble with like another guy.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Oh, I'm so surprised. And then he sneaks in the
closet and watches him.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I don't think that's what happened, And it's not that
airbrushed on porn Hub. I don't think he stumbled across cook.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Porn on porn Hub.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Like when I turn on my iPad or my laptop,
porn Hub doesn't just pop up with cut porn. You
have to find it, Fitzgibbons, you have to go look
for it.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, Listen.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Investigators are revealing a really dark and damning digital history
of Brian Walsh, both from his computer and his cell
phone searches internet activity on these pornography sites. This can't
be a coincidence. The searches, the pornography and then ultimately
(22:20):
what happened to Anna.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Walsh and Matthew Morris joining us. I profile a lawyer
and digital forensic investigator. Matthew how many times in child
porn cases? Because just a guy watching porn is not
a crime, and if porn was emotive for murder husbands.
(22:41):
Fifty percent of the husbands in the country would be
on death.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Row right now.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But Matthew, the likelihood that cut porn just pops up
on your computer without you searching for it.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
You're the digital expert. How likely is that?
Speaker 9 (22:57):
Well, it's definitely not going to pop up on your
without searching for it. You know, when people are out
searching for porn, they're using different kinds of terms, they're
going to different kinds of websites, They're sort of following
a trail, and they end up where they end up.
And that looks like that's what happened here.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Okay, you know, I don't like what you just said, Matthew.
They end up where they end up. It sounds like
somehow you're on the way to the bakery and you
just get confused and you end up at the gas station. No,
n oh, cook porn, cook old porn where typically the
husband finds out his wife is sleeping with someone and
(23:36):
I guess gets into it watching them. That's a very
specific type of pornography. You don't just end up there.
You have to seek it out.
Speaker 9 (23:47):
Yeah, I guess When I say you end up where
you end up, you end up there, because those are
the words that you put into your internet browser, that
you put into the porn website, and that's what came up,
and that's what you watch.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Straight to doctor Cheryl Eric joining me, clinical forensics psychologist.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
There's a whole Pandora's box of.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Misogyny and psychoanalysis that I'm not equipped to make sense,
but you are. I'm imagining Brian Walsh watching this video,
a CUK porn video, cuck hold porn.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
What is a CUK called.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It's a man whose wife is cheating on him sexually,
That's what that means.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
So where would the theory.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
That he is actually sadistic fit into him?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Brian Walsh. Walsh watching a.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Woman who's obviously his wife's substitute being raped or having
sex with another man.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Well degrading porn of a woman who represents your wife.
There would be layers to that of sadism. We see,
of course, the most profound sadism with actually cutting up
your wife's body and dismembering her. But there are many layers,
as you say, Pandora's box with this what this kind
of porn can mean. There are voyeuristic aspects, there can
(25:12):
be satism aspects. There can be masochistic aspects, as if
she's my property but this other man is taking her.
There can be arousal looking at the man in the pornography.
There there are so many different layers.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Place, you know what.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Look around, dactor, Cheryl, Are you at Windsor Castle having
tea with Camilla?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
No you're not.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
You're on crime stories with Nancy Grace. So let's not
airbrush the truth. Jery's don't like it. You said that
he would get a voyeuristic thrill from watching the man
having sex with his wife.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
He mean the man's penis.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
So is this kind of a Sean Diddy Combs scenario
we've got going on here? Or Combs would sit in
the corner during freak offs, rest in a burka from
here up, naked from here down, and watch somebody else
a sex worker have sex with his girlfriend, I e.
Cassi Ventura. Is that what we're talking about here?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, that's what we're talk so's by sexuality? Why not
just come out with that? Why live a lie?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Okay, so you've got that going on. You have the
voyeurism going on. What is voyeurism?
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Being sexually excited by watching other people have sex or
be naked things like that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, okay, again, let's not put perfume on the pig these.
This is not a work by Reuben Okay, naked. This
is a guy watching another guy have sex with his wife.
To put it again ephemistically, so we've got him watching
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another guy's penis.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I don't care. I'm not judging. I'm all about the murder,
all right.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And the fact that he's watching the degradation of a
wife substitute just before she disappears to a spa.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Okay to me, that's proved. If that means something.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You have the sadistic feature of this seeing the wife
Anna's fill in on video being degraded by a man,
and you have the masochistic aspect of this that he's
humiliating himself the man watching the wife have an affair.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Okay, this is a Pandora's box.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I mean to you, Dave mac joining me Crime Stories
investigative reporter.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
When was he watching the coke Hold porn seventh?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Okay, that's three days before Anna is last seen alive.
The porn video is viewed on Walsh's laptop about a
quote cheating wife.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Why do I care?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Brian Fitzgibbons. I care because a jear. We'll want to
hear motive. Motive, And this tells me that Brian Walsh
knew his wife was sick of her common husband and
was having an affair.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
That's what it tells me.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
He's watching a video about a cheating wife. He knows
his wife's cheating. Is that such a leap.
Speaker 11 (28:22):
Not at all?
Speaker 14 (28:23):
And you know, prosecutors and investigators are going to build
all of these circumstantial pieces around this story to paint
a picture of the state of mind of Brian Walsh,
the state of mind of Anna Walsh at the time
of the murder.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Right, So this is very key to paint that picture.
Speaker 15 (28:43):
And it becomes romantically involved with another man, William Fastau,
and Brian is looking for a way out and is
with Fastaw on Christmas Eve and misses her flight back
to Cohasset, ending up driving back home and missing most
of Christmas with her family. Less than forty eight hours later,
Brian wallsh's online looking for favorable states for men to
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get a divorce.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
In mind, what do you think she us right now?
Speaker 11 (29:09):
You know, I like a lot of people that I said,
maybe she's at a spa, you know, and she was
under a lot of pressure.
Speaker 10 (29:17):
Doesn't remind her doesn't really tracked with my wife.
Speaker 11 (29:20):
She loved her job, she loved her family, so she's
always been focused on that. And maybe the country happens
selectly in Bella, Serbia. But yeah, I can't I can't
imagine having a hard time. I mat having a hard time.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Okay, a minute joining me Anne Emerson, the star of
Unsolved South Carolina, the murderog Murders, Money and mystery.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And did he just say his wife could be at
a spot in Serbia.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
It's so ridiculous. It's almost like he's trying to like
come up with with different scenarios so that they'll just
go away and stop asking him where his wife is.
And the fact that are these these investigators are immediately
like what are you talking about? I mean, it's not
even like we've we've cornered him. It's like he's just
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this is kind to be one of the dumbest like
ideas anyone's ever had.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
You know what, He can talk about a spa in
Serbia all he wants, but his Google searches tell a
very different story. For instance, way to dispose of body
parts after murder? How long before a body starts to smell?
How to stop a body from decomposing? How to embalm
a body? How long for someone to be missing to inherit?
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Can you throw away body parts?
Speaker 6 (30:43):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Ways to be buried? That's my personal favorite. How long
does DNA last? How about forever?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Walch? How to dispose of cell phone? Computer? Can luminol
to take blood? Hello?
Speaker 15 (30:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (30:55):
How to dismember a body? Can baking? So to make
a dead body smell? Good? Good?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Your spouse is missing and you want a divorce. There's more,
but I want you to hear once police find those
Google searches, those damning Google searches. This is his new
explanation about what happened to his wife.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (31:23):
After entertaining friends on New Year's Eve, Brian Walsh sends
wife Anna to bed while he cleans up. In the
early morning hours of the New Year. Walsh crawls into
bed and nudges his wife and it doesn't respond. In
that moment, Brian Walsh realizes his wife is dead. Sudden
unexplained death, a medical phenomenon that few people ever even
(31:44):
heard of.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Joining me now, Doctor Thomas Coin, Chief medical Examiner, district
to Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida. He is a
forensic pathologist. He's a toxicologist. He is a neuropathologist. I'd
really like to talk to you about neuropathology. But guess what,
I don't have Anna Walsh's head. Now, doctor Coin, we
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can assume without a body, that these Google searches tell
us that Anna has been dead and dismembered based on
the search. How do you dismember a body? How do
you dismember a body?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Dodgor Coin?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
But first, what is this sudden, unexplained death phenomena?
Speaker 13 (32:33):
Yeah, there's no real basis for that diagnosis. I mean,
and my line of work, well, the only way that
I would call something undetermined or suddenly or unexplained, if
you will, is after a thorough investigation. It's a diagnosis
of exclusion. So the only way to arrive at that
diagnosis is to do a thorough investigation, which includes an autopsy,
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which wasn't done in this case. So there's no basis
to that claim that you died soddenly or unexpectedly. And now,
there are instances of persons with epilepsy about one in
the thousand adults who have epilepsy can die in their sleep,
and that's called sou dep or sudden unexplained death in
persons with epilepsy. But there's no evidence here that she
ever had any seizures or history of epilepsy, so again
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highly unlikely. There's just no real basis to that claim.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Undetermined means very often when people quote die in their
sleep unexplained, we find out later there was an explanation.
I had a very very dear friend I worked with
in the District Attorney's office. She was an Adya, died
in her sleep, and I went off the rails, claiming
that was impossible.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Well, it was impossible. This is what happened. She was
on she would take something at night.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Help her sleep, like ambient or something, and she then
took another peal because she was going to have oral
surgery and she had been described the other peel in
print for the surgery, and they combined and somehow killed
her in then, and there had to be a very
exhaustive toxicology to test to figure out what had happened.
An you have people like I'm sure you're familiar with
(34:09):
Caultmom Laurie Valo and her crazy prophet husband his wife,
Tammy died in her sleep.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Turns out she was asphyxiated.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
So I'm not buying to die in your sleep of
natural causes either, doctor Coin. So you think that's lame, correct.
Speaker 13 (34:25):
Absolutely, It's very rare for a person to die without
any cause, especially a person just from looking at our pictures,
she seems very healthy, and we've heard no reporter for
having any underlying meattal conditions, and so very rare for
an adult person to die of undetermined causes. We have
so many tools at our disposal to figure out that
cause of death. So had there been a body, I'm
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sure we would have been able to determine, which I
think in this case would have been murdered.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Crime stories with Nancy Gray. Now to the Google search,
how do you dismember a body?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
I think you know the answer to that, doctor Coin.
Speaker 13 (35:09):
Yeah, I think you know. Just coming out of Thanksgiving,
it's very difficult, right. Think about a turkey, right, In
order to cut through a turkey, you have to physically
break the joint or disarticulate the joints that connect to
the body and then use a very sharp knife to
cut through those. So you have to have some underlying
understanding of human anatomy to do that. But a human
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is much bigger than a turkey, so it's a lot
harder to do. So it would be a lot of work,
and there would also be a lot of blood. So
you would have to do it in an area that
you can effectively clean up or not leave any evidence thereof,
such as a carpeted, you know, room you'd want to
you know, have all of your appropriate tools in place,
and so for a body. Very often in my cases
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that I've worked up, I've seen people use knives, saws,
both electric and manual saws, as well as chainsaws or
other bigger devices.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
So his claim, uh, go with me on this. Brian Fitzgibbons.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
His claim that he woke up and found Anna dead
inner sleep next to him is belied disproved by his
Google search ways to dispose of body parts after the murder.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Murder, Well, he just said she died in her sleep.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
We also find out that he was obsessed with and
searched for the trash bag killer Patrick Kearney, a serial killer.
He researches how to clean up the mess made from
dismembering someone, and he even asked did dishwashers remove blood
and if he should trash his blood stained closed. There's Keernie.
(36:52):
He's a fine looking fellow. But to Bryan Fitzgibbons, that's
a subtle but critical fact. He looked, how do I
dispose body parts after murder? Not after finding my wife
dead in her sleep.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
That's a great point, and the defense here is asking
us to take an incredible leap, right to walk a
long way to say that number one, these searches exist,
right and explain those a way that this was just
born out of a moment of panic, that his wife
was found dead in the bed and then his next
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move is to dismember her.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
Right.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
This is a wild connection they're asking us to make here.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
There are also photos we've obtained of the alleged cleanup.
While we're looking at those photos, Dave Mac, what was found?
And what can you tell me about video of him
throwing out tra Oh my goodness, he was a busy bee,
wasn't he. This must be a Black Friday's hell because
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he's really stocking up on cleaning supplies.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Dave Mac, what did he get? I believe if it
was home depot.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
It was at home depot and at Loe's he actually
was getting He got a Tiebeck suit, you know, one
of the things you wear when you're cleaning up you know,
hazardous waist. Of course he got bagged and he got
all the cleaning supply, you know, bleach and everything you
could possibly use to clean up a huge mess. But
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you know, inside the house, beyond finding well what appeared
to be blood, they found a lot hacksaw, a blade,
you know, with what appeared to be blood on it.
It was like everything they found had blood on it.
And then you mentioned what was seen on video. Well,
as the investigators were trying to check out the stories
(38:45):
that Brian Walsh was telling, they sent six investigators into
the area where Walsh claimed he was. You know when
he said he went to the grocery store. Well they
sent detectives like we're going to find out, and of
course they were able to find out he was nowhere
where he said he was. But they've got him on
video going up to trash hands, public trash hands, apartment
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trash hands and dumping huge bags, sealed bags of garbage,
just dumping it away all over.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
You know what Dave mac this, Oh there he is,
you know he I didn't want to guess he didn't
want to get caught in the rush hour traffic. He
decided to throw out all those trash bags in the
dark of night. And he's bringing back a lot of
fond memories of another guy that murdered his wife, allegedly
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photus at Dulos, may he rotten hell. He murdered his wife,
the mother of his five children, Jennifer Dulos, and he
and his mistress, Michelle Traconis were videoed all around town
throwing Oh.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
There you go, Photus Doulos.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I wonder how many times I view this throwing out
trash bags. And he took the time to go to
over a dozen public trash cans and get rid of
trash bags like Kearnie, full of bloody rags, bloody towels,
a bloody bra, his wife's bloody clothing, all over town
and gleefully wingman Michiel Traconnas. There she goes, she dropped
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her cell phone and had to pick it up. She's
caught on video too. That sounds like a fun afternoon date.
Let's go dispose of your wife's bloody clothes. And now
this dare I say, idiot? Brian Walsh is caught on
video Dave mac throwing out multiple damning pieces of evidence.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Where did he throw them? Dave?
Speaker 7 (40:50):
He threw them in an apartment complex trash dumpster near
his mother's home where his mother lives.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
They all run home to mommy. You know, just for once,
Brian Fitzgibbons, Can somebody surprise me?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
You know?
Speaker 2 (41:09):
It's like people always a like homing pigeons. They go
to where they're familiar. For instance, here's a great one
I always use, Scott Peterson. Where does he dump his
wife Lacy in their unborn child's body in his fishing hole?
That's where he takes him. San Francisco Bay. He goes
to his old marina where he always goes, and he
spotted in his vehicle with the boat in the back
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and her body in the back of the boat covered
up with a tarp.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Surprise me, Where does this guy go Mommy's.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
He goes to her location on this long cecuitist route,
just like Brian Coburger, this.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Long secutust route. He says he got lost.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
On the way to his mom's and along the way
he dumps all the evidence.
Speaker 9 (41:53):
What about it, Fitzgibbons, And I'll add another one that
you and I have both worked on.
Speaker 6 (41:59):
Nikki Sale McCain. You know Tyler McCain back at his
mother's residence on the Reading Rancheria right after she went missing.
You know we see this time and again. They're gonna
go to a familiar place.
Speaker 13 (42:13):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
He probably believed that that dumpster did not have video
surveillance on it. It is my guess that he was
familiar with the dumpster and didn't think it was being surveilled.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Let's hear him try to talk his way out of this.
Listen to Brian Walsh from the Horse's Mouth.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I can't make this up.
Speaker 10 (42:32):
There is dozens of surgers. And then on the morning
of the first how to dispose of the body, how
to get blood out of hardwood? For us? How do
you dispose of the body of the tread? How to
uh saw the body from deposing? And how do you
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explain that, I'm right here?
Speaker 2 (42:59):
How do you get blood out of hardwood floors? How
to dispose of a body in the trash? How to
stop a body from decomposing? Well that's not all here,
he tries to rope in his own children.
Speaker 10 (43:15):
How do you explain that?
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Well?
Speaker 10 (43:17):
Four fifty four in the morning. The idea Yeady is wearying.
Speaker 11 (43:23):
The ten ths ways to be spoil the week in
Boston four one.
Speaker 10 (43:31):
I tell me no idea that Thomas sleep and well,
Thomas's group the iPad Thomas Alia. I mean I don't
use that iPad, So that's good.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
The area, Yeah, that is really weird. Brian Walsh, we
wait as just as unfolds in a court of law.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
If you know or think you know anything about Anna
Walsh's murder, please call aka has seven eight one eight
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Speaker 3 (44:09):
And now we remember an American.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Hero, Sergeant Terry Mascow, Indian River County Sheriffs, shot in
the light of duty, serving twenty five years, leaving behind
a grieving husband, a daughter, and a stepson. American hero
Sergeant Terry Mascow. Nancy Gray signing off good bye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Nobody no case, a prosecutor's worst nightmare, did a wife's
sex affair and in dismemberment after her house husband views
cook cold porn? What is that? What is cook porn?
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We're going to find out. I'm Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Anna Walsh, a devoted wife and mother dedicated to building
a better life for her family, mysteriously goes missing while
her husband, Brian is no stranger to troubling pasts, including
a conviction for art.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Fraud, evidence amassing.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
In the disappearance of a beautiful, young mom of three
gorgeous little boys, Where is Anna Walsh? As the defense
for her husband insists nobody no case. As a matter
of fact, his theory on where his wife is that
she went to a SPA. Okay, straight out to doctor
(01:14):
Cheryl Eric joining us a clinical forensic psychologist specializing in
trauma just like this. You can find her at askdotor
Cheryl dot com. Doctor Cheryl, thank you for being with us.
Many theories have been bandied about regarding the disappearance of
this young working mom, Anna Walsh. Can I see a
picture of Anna, She's absolutely stunning.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I've got a ton of photos of her, if.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Only she would come home from the beauty spa where
she's been languishing for some time now, Doctor Cheryl, is
it true that when a woman is ready to leave
her husband or leave her partner she's on the verge
of leaving that and when she is pregnant are the
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most dangerous time for a woman?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Why?
Speaker 5 (02:06):
That is one hundred percent true? And the reason that
when she is either pregnant or ready to leave an
abusive partner that it is the most dangerous time is
because he is losing control of her, and so he
in order to maintain control of her. That is when
it is most often that she is murdered by her
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husband or partner or desired ex partner. And women are
overwhelmingly murdered by someone close to them, closest to them
as significant other of family member. Men are most often
murdered by strangers, So overwhelmingly when there is a murder
like this, the number one suspect tends to be the spouse.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So basically, any relations with men, you're signing your own
death want because overwhelmingly, as you just said, doctor Cheryl,
and you're correct, and you're backed up by statistics. It's
more likely that a woman is killed by an intimate
partner or even a love interest.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
They don't have to be intimate.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
They could be dating, they could have had one date,
they could be talking online.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
And another question regarding psyche and of course that's not
my will house.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Okay, I'm not driving down that lane. You are If Anna.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Walsh was murdered, and yes, I think she was, a
lot of people will wonder why, Just like in the
Brian Coburger case, a lot of people had a hard
time connecting the dots that Coburger would murder for innocent
University Idaho students with no connection to him at all.
(03:45):
He played guilty, So all of you conspiracy theories that
keep writing me online and stop.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
He plaged guilty under oath.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
He did it.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
People will wonder why, in a seemingly loving relationship would
the husband get a wild hair up as you know
what and murder his wife. Tell me about jealousy and
anger that simmers below the surface when the husband stays
home and the wife is the breadwinner.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
There's a tremendous amount of envy and often feeling emasculated
by this situation. This man was not able to move
to DC and join her, and she had a high paying,
high power job. He had some legal issues and problem.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Wait a minute, are you telling me the husband gets
upset that he doesn't have to get up out of
bed and go to work every day.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
That is the cause for insane hold on.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I was about to say insane jealousy, but I'm hearing
in my ear hold on.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Doctor Cheryl.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Joining me right now on the scene is Brian Fitzgibbons,
the director of Operations USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a
team of investigators all around the world and you can
find him at USPA Underscore Nationwide Underscore Security.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Brian, thank you for being with us. You're not in
the studio. Where are you, explained.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
Nancy. Where I'm standing, I'm about half a mile from
the residence that brought that Anna Walsh police say was
murdered and dismembered by her husband, Brian Walsh. So the
residence is about half a mile down the road in Cohassett,
Massachusetts from where I'm standing.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Now, Okay, I just got a quick question for the
control room. Could I see that map very quickly. Bryan
fus Gibbons is joining us near the scene where we
believe Anna was murdered and dismembered.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And I've never seen on top.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Of a map husband hubby watches kinky porn before wife disappears.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Is that a city?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Is that a county? Don't know why that's on the map?
Control room. But that said, we'll get to the cuckold
porn in just a moment. Brian Fitzgibbons described the home
where many believe Brian Walsh murdered Anna a completely disposed
of the evidence.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
There is no body, and of.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Course Brian Walsh is running up and down the calls
of the courthouse in glee. There's nobody and he thinks
he will walk free. I beg to different describe the
home please.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
The residence is a single family, two story home. It's
it's a nice a nice house. It's set back off
of Route three A in Cohasset, Massachusetts, so it is
quite secluded in a quiet place to live.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know, when you say secluded, Brian Fitzgibbons, all I
can think of is the sound of.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
A power saw. You stated that it's two.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Story, Does that include a basement. Can you tell from
looking at the outside, because in my experience, even though
there were only three little boys at home that night,
that would have not had any idea about what was
going on for some reason, and we've seen it over
and over people retreat to the basement for Nefari's doings.
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But can you tell if there is a basement.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
There is a basement, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
This is evident in police reports and just the standard
type of homes built out here, these two story colonial
homes in New England all have basements.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Tell me about the neighborhood place, Like I.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Said, the home the address is actually Route three A,
which is the main thoroughfare in Cohasset, But the house
itself is set back off the road about three hundred
yards down a private way, so there's not much of
a neighborhood per se that there would be neighbors potentially
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hearing or seeing something.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I mean, cahasse.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Let me go to Ann Emerson joining us biv Is
Gibbons is on the scene there Inca has it and
Emerson joining a senior investigative reporter with criminally obsessed on
YouTube and she's the star of Unsolved South Carolina. The
murderach murders, money and mysteries and thank you for being
with us. And that is stinking rich, you know, compared
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to where I came from, on a dirt road in
rural Georgia. But Ann, the median income is around two
hundred thousand dollars for the family. And I've seen Walsh's home.
They were sitting pretty. I don't get it. He's got
this beautiful wife, three gorgeous little boys. They're young, they're
little boys, this gorgeous home, everything, and he doesn't have
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to work. He gets to lay around the house all day.
What's there to complain about? Ann Emerson.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
He's in big trouble, Nancy. He's in big, big trouble.
He's in a federal investigation because he is already been
found out to have been trying to send out forged
Andy Warhol paintings, if you can believe it, And he
is facing a federal investigation. He's facing a four hundred
(09:15):
thousand dollars restitution. His wife knows about it, and she's
not happy, and she has been moving toward her home
in DC. But he can't leave. He's not allowed to leave.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
He's looking at An and Emerson.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
This guy forges Andy Warhol's or he has somebody forged
them and then he sells them. I guess they came
with those little certificates of authenticity.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
Yeah, I mean, I think he definitely was trying to
look like the good guy here, like the loving, wonderful
husband and father that he was. But no, he was
a criminal and he was already in trouble.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
High profile lawyer joining US attorney and digital forensic investigator
Maurice Thompson FORESTA, thanks for being.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
With us, Matthew.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
How can a wife or a husband be duped that profoundly?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
She had no idea.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
She's married to a con man who's selling fake Andy Warhols.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
And not only that, he doesn't even.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Fake it very well because he gets busted by the Feds.
Speaker 9 (10:27):
Well, some people are really good at being common. I've
had lots of cases where people are able because they
believe what they say. They're able to be confident in
what they say and what they represent to other people,
and they're very good at getting people to believe them.
The problem comes when people stop believing them and they
still believe what they're saying.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It all started when Anna Walch seemingly disappears as her
husband says, to go to a spa around the holidays.
I want you to hear what Walch says. Let's hear
from the horses mouth.
Speaker 10 (11:00):
And she woke me up around six parents and she
was going. She came down.
Speaker 11 (11:06):
I guess Thomas heard her and came down and she
said I have to go, and he said, I love
you very much, and she said I love you very much.
Speaker 10 (11:14):
And then he said, so that she left me run
in a taxi.
Speaker 11 (11:18):
But I don't think he saw it because it was
further down if you want to talk to him, but
he said as a taxi and I was like, he
was broad the bar. He said, want really even see it?
Speaker 10 (11:26):
Dad? So I was like okay. So he was coming
down begause.
Speaker 11 (11:29):
I think I could maybe Anna's a taxi and maybe
she's my driver, like, but I know that she was
not driving.
Speaker 10 (11:35):
There's village. She was driving her vehicul and there's like
zero possibility of that.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I want you to listen very carefully to Brian Walt
explaining what happened.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
To his wife.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
You know, Brian Fitzgibbons, I love nothing better and you
have handled so many investigations.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Then when I get a very.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Long detailed statement from my target. Now, for many years
it wasn't on video. There may not be a recording,
and the jury, if there is one, had to just
believe what the cops said.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
This is on recording.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Now he says he actually ropes in one of his
little boys and says, oh, yes, my son saw her
leave in the car. I'm not sure he actually saw,
but yes, I think my son saw her leave. But
I heard her say here's my driver. That's a lot
of detail, Brian Fitzgibbons. And the more detail you can
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give me, the more I can shoot you down. It
gives me one more bullet.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Yeah, as attorney Matthew Morris just said, you know, these
con men are very confident, and you know as it
leads towards almost like a narcissistic tendency to spin these
stories that they themselves have come to believe, and they
believe that they can convince law enforcement of what they're saying.
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And really what they're doing is digging their whole deeper
and deeper and deeper with all of these details that
won't be able to be corroborated.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Brian has gibbons, you and I and I'm fascinating with this.
I love it when a defendant takes a stand or
gives a statement the way that they lie. I was
always amazed. I could watch Jody Arius all day and
all night, because it's like looking at a poisonous snake
or tarantula under a glass box.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I watch her lie, and she does it so well.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
She changed her story over and over and over to
explain how her boyfriend or ex boyfriend, Travis Alexander was
slaughtered naked in a shower.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
It went from one version.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
To the next, including that Ninja's dressed all in black,
came into the home and murdered him and somehow she
miraculously escaped. You gotta hear the detail Brian Walsh is
giving regarding that last morning his wife was home with
him and the boys. Okay, he even describes what she's
wearing when she gets ready for her trip to the SPA.
Speaker 11 (14:09):
Listen, she probably got two and a half or three
hours of sleep, okay, and then she e then she
gets up and you hear her like in the bath.
Speaker 10 (14:18):
And getting ready, and then and then it wasn't been six.
I didn't see the clock, but it was it was
dark outside still so and.
Speaker 11 (14:25):
That's when she came down and she does in the
final that cleans up and stuff like that.
Speaker 10 (14:29):
You know, did you sleep through that whole morning routine?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (14:33):
I did.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You know.
Speaker 10 (14:34):
I used to get up and she was like you
would be a boy there to get out, So I
was like, you're right, But she she talked and kisses me.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
She kisses him all right, that she's getting up in
her bathroom after only three hours of sleep and she's
getting ready to go, and she does a final clean
up and says I love you. And then to Dave
mac Crime Stories investigative reporter, then he really steps in
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it because he talks about her calling saying I'm late,
I'm in the car. My flight was canceled, so I'm
gonna have to drive.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Is that what he says?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Because you know, calls from cell phones obviously can be tracked,
Dave Matt.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
You know, Brian Walsh, being the accomplished fabricator of his
own stories, messes up big time here when he starts
getting into those very specific things, saying that she had
drive instead of catching a flight. Well, as you just mentioned,
all of these things are trackable, but he doesn't realize
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her phone is not with her, it's not singing with
her anywhere that he claims that she is. And all
of the things that he says are verifiable, and he
just keeps digging the hole. Nancy. But again, this is
not something that can't be proved because her cell phone
is popping up all around co hasard around the home.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You know another thing, Dave Matt and I remember catching
this two or three times a week to go to
d C to be with Larry King. There are flights
between DC, Boston, d C and LaGuardia on the hour,
on the hour. So his story is she was upset
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because she missed that one flight, so decided to drive
to DC.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Wait, hey, just wait an hour.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's like a bus and you can catch the next one.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
But more important than.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
That is the fact that her phone pinged elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
So he's just spinning it all out, and you know
what control him.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
He just showed me a photo and I distinctly spot
a bruise over her eye in a little scratch. So wow,
I wonder how that happened. Isn't it true, Ann Emerson
that Anna Walsh had called police before in fear that
Brian Walsh would kill her.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
It was a very unhealthy relationship, and it sounds like
she was already in fear of her life, trying to
figure out what to do next, and had you know,
been confiding that there was issues, that her life was
a mess and that she needed help. And you know,
it's so interesting to hear, you know, from a forensic
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psychologist about like what could be that this is the
most dangerous moment of her life. I mean, we were
coming to a head, weren't we. There was no way
she was going to be able to take that kind
of abuse any more. She had hit her limit. Obviously,
there was this moment that the dam was breaking. And
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that's really what we're saying. This beautiful, gorgeous woman, very
petite and just so lovely, that she would have to
get to this point with a two year old, a
four year old, a six year old, little boys in
her home. We all know what it's like to get
into something with somebody at home, like a argument with somebody,
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and you've got little kids at home, and you're just
trying to like not loud and not scare the children,
and you know, I can only imagine what this woman
had to deal with up until this moment. It is
just it's beyond nancy, It's beyond defense.
Speaker 12 (18:39):
Attorney Larry Tipton tells of the loving, wonderful marriage of
Brian and Anna Walsh. Tipton says the couple becomes closer
romantically as they take advantage of their limited time together
when Anna comes home on weekends.
Speaker 13 (18:51):
In the days leading.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Up to Anna's disappearance, Brian becomes consumed by jealousy, obsessively
watching explicit videos and spiraling into suspense of his wife's infidelity.
Could this have been the tippy point?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
What specifically is cut called porn? To you, Doctor Sheryl Erict,
What is cut porn?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
It's pornography that eroticizes a partner cheating on you. And
it can be voyeuristic of somebody watching their partner be
with someone else, either with them in the room or
them watching somebody cheating on somebody else. It can be
a way of eroticizing that loss of control, a way
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of trying to gain control over this. But it is
juxtaposed with this guy basically feeling this very common feeling
of if I can't have you, no one can. So
I look at this like he went back and forth
between trying to turn this into something sexual, to gain
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ca control of it, or to understand it. And at
the same time.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
You know why, Dinna Cheryl, I really respect you, but
I doubt pretty seriously. He's watching porn hub to get
a deeper understanding of his wife's psyche.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I'm not buying that. Listen.
Speaker 12 (20:15):
Three days before Anna Walsh has last seen alive, a
pornhub video is viewed on Brian Walsh's laptop about a
cheating wife. Tying into prosecutor's theory, Walsh knew Anna was
having an affair.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
RYF has Gibbons joining US Director Operations, USPA Nationwide Security.
He's joining us from the ritzy neighborhood of Cahasset where
police believe Anna Walsh was murdered and dismembered. You know,
you and I I believe agree Brian has Gibbons that
there is no coincidence in criminal law, and I do
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not believe that Brian Walsh stumbled upon porn hub videos,
cook porn, cuckold porn.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
You know where it is, as doctor RYL.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Errett said, romanticized, like the husband comes home and he
takes off his jacket from a long day at work
and whoops, there his wife is in this five hundred
dollars Victoria Secret ensemble with like another guy.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Oh, I'm so surprised. And then he sneaks in the
closet and watches him.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I don't think that's what happened, And it's not that
airbrushed on porn Hub. I don't think he stumbled across cook.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Porn on porn Hub.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Like when I turn on my iPad or my laptop,
porn Hub doesn't just pop up with cut porn. You
have to find it, Fitzgibbons, you have to go look
for it.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, Listen.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Investigators are revealing a really dark and damning digital history
of Brian Walsh, both from his computer and his cell
phone searches internet activity on these pornography sites. This can't
be a coincidence. The searches, the pornography and then ultimately
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what happened to Anna.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Walsh and Matthew Morris joining us. I profile a lawyer
and digital forensic investigator. Matthew how many times in child
porn cases? Because just a guy watching porn is not
a crime, and if porn was emotive for murder husbands.
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Fifty percent of the husbands in the country would be
on death.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Row right now.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But Matthew, the likelihood that cut porn just pops up
on your computer without you searching for it.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
You're the digital expert. How likely is that?
Speaker 9 (22:57):
Well, it's definitely not going to pop up on your
without searching for it. You know, when people are out
searching for porn, they're using different kinds of terms, they're
going to different kinds of websites, They're sort of following
a trail, and they end up where they end up.
And that looks like that's what happened here.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Okay, you know, I don't like what you just said, Matthew.
They end up where they end up. It sounds like
somehow you're on the way to the bakery and you
just get confused and you end up at the gas station. No,
n oh, cook porn, cook old porn where typically the
husband finds out his wife is sleeping with someone and
(23:36):
I guess gets into it watching them. That's a very
specific type of pornography. You don't just end up there.
You have to seek it out.
Speaker 9 (23:47):
Yeah, I guess When I say you end up where
you end up, you end up there, because those are
the words that you put into your internet browser, that
you put into the porn website, and that's what came up,
and that's what you watch.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Straight to doctor Cheryl Eric joining me, clinical forensics psychologist.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
There's a whole Pandora's box of.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Misogyny and psychoanalysis that I'm not equipped to make sense,
but you are. I'm imagining Brian Walsh watching this video,
a CUK porn video, cuck hold porn.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
What is a CUK called.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It's a man whose wife is cheating on him sexually,
That's what that means.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
So where would the theory.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
That he is actually sadistic fit into him?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Brian Walsh. Walsh watching a.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Woman who's obviously his wife's substitute being raped or having
sex with another man.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Well degrading porn of a woman who represents your wife.
There would be layers to that of sadism. We see,
of course, the most profound sadism with actually cutting up
your wife's body and dismembering her. But there are many layers,
as you say, Pandora's box with this what this kind
of porn can mean. There are voyeuristic aspects, there can
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be satism aspects. There can be masochistic aspects, as if
she's my property but this other man is taking her.
There can be arousal looking at the man in the pornography.
There there are so many different layers.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Place, you know what.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Look around, dactor, Cheryl, Are you at Windsor Castle having
tea with Camilla?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
No you're not.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
You're on crime stories with Nancy Grace. So let's not
airbrush the truth. Jery's don't like it. You said that
he would get a voyeuristic thrill from watching the man
having sex with his wife.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
He mean the man's penis.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
So is this kind of a Sean Diddy Combs scenario
we've got going on here? Or Combs would sit in
the corner during freak offs, rest in a burka from
here up, naked from here down, and watch somebody else
a sex worker have sex with his girlfriend, I e.
Cassi Ventura. Is that what we're talking about here?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, that's what we're talk so's by sexuality? Why not
just come out with that? Why live a lie?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Okay, so you've got that going on. You have the
voyeurism going on. What is voyeurism?
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Being sexually excited by watching other people have sex or
be naked things like that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, okay, again, let's not put perfume on the pig these.
This is not a work by Reuben Okay, naked. This
is a guy watching another guy have sex with his wife.
To put it again ephemistically, so we've got him watching
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another guy's penis.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
I don't care. I'm not judging. I'm all about the murder,
all right.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And the fact that he's watching the degradation of a
wife substitute just before she disappears to a spa.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Okay to me, that's proved. If that means something.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You have the sadistic feature of this seeing the wife
Anna's fill in on video being degraded by a man,
and you have the masochistic aspect of this that he's
humiliating himself the man watching the wife have an affair.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Okay, this is a Pandora's box.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I mean to you, Dave mac joining me Crime Stories
investigative reporter.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
When was he watching the coke Hold porn seventh?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Okay, that's three days before Anna is last seen alive.
The porn video is viewed on Walsh's laptop about a
quote cheating wife.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Why do I care?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Brian Fitzgibbons. I care because a jear. We'll want to
hear motive. Motive, And this tells me that Brian Walsh
knew his wife was sick of her common husband and
was having an affair.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
That's what it tells me.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
He's watching a video about a cheating wife. He knows
his wife's cheating. Is that such a leap.
Speaker 11 (28:22):
Not at all?
Speaker 14 (28:23):
And you know, prosecutors and investigators are going to build
all of these circumstantial pieces around this story to paint
a picture of the state of mind of Brian Walsh,
the state of mind of Anna Walsh at the time
of the murder.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Right, So this is very key to paint that picture.
Speaker 15 (28:43):
And it becomes romantically involved with another man, William Fastau,
and Brian is looking for a way out and is
with Fastaw on Christmas Eve and misses her flight back
to Cohasset, ending up driving back home and missing most
of Christmas with her family. Less than forty eight hours later,
Brian wallsh's online looking for favorable states for men to
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get a divorce.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
In mind, what do you think she us right now?
Speaker 11 (29:09):
You know, I like a lot of people that I said,
maybe she's at a spa, you know, and she was
under a lot of pressure.
Speaker 10 (29:17):
Doesn't remind her doesn't really tracked with my wife.
Speaker 11 (29:20):
She loved her job, she loved her family, so she's
always been focused on that. And maybe the country happens
selectly in Bella, Serbia. But yeah, I can't I can't
imagine having a hard time. I mat having a hard time.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Okay, a minute joining me Anne Emerson, the star of
Unsolved South Carolina, the murderog Murders, Money and mystery.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And did he just say his wife could be at
a spot in Serbia.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
It's so ridiculous. It's almost like he's trying to like
come up with with different scenarios so that they'll just
go away and stop asking him where his wife is.
And the fact that are these these investigators are immediately
like what are you talking about? I mean, it's not
even like we've we've cornered him. It's like he's just
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this is kind to be one of the dumbest like
ideas anyone's ever had.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
You know what, He can talk about a spa in
Serbia all he wants, but his Google searches tell a
very different story. For instance, way to dispose of body
parts after murder? How long before a body starts to smell?
How to stop a body from decomposing? How to embalm
a body? How long for someone to be missing to inherit?
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Can you throw away body parts?
Speaker 6 (30:43):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Ways to be buried? That's my personal favorite. How long
does DNA last? How about forever?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Walch? How to dispose of cell phone? Computer? Can luminol
to take blood? Hello?
Speaker 15 (30:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (30:55):
How to dismember a body? Can baking? So to make
a dead body smell? Good? Good?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Your spouse is missing and you want a divorce. There's more,
but I want you to hear once police find those
Google searches, those damning Google searches. This is his new
explanation about what happened to his wife.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Listen.
Speaker 12 (31:23):
After entertaining friends on New Year's Eve, Brian Walsh sends
wife Anna to bed while he cleans up. In the
early morning hours of the New Year. Walsh crawls into
bed and nudges his wife and it doesn't respond. In
that moment, Brian Walsh realizes his wife is dead. Sudden
unexplained death, a medical phenomenon that few people ever even
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heard of.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Joining me now, Doctor Thomas Coin, Chief medical Examiner, district
to Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida. He is a
forensic pathologist. He's a toxicologist. He is a neuropathologist. I'd
really like to talk to you about neuropathology. But guess what,
I don't have Anna Walsh's head. Now, doctor Coin, we
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can assume without a body, that these Google searches tell
us that Anna has been dead and dismembered based on
the search. How do you dismember a body? How do
you dismember a body?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Dodgor Coin?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
But first, what is this sudden, unexplained death phenomena?
Speaker 13 (32:33):
Yeah, there's no real basis for that diagnosis. I mean,
and my line of work, well, the only way that
I would call something undetermined or suddenly or unexplained, if
you will, is after a thorough investigation. It's a diagnosis
of exclusion. So the only way to arrive at that
diagnosis is to do a thorough investigation, which includes an autopsy,
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which wasn't done in this case. So there's no basis
to that claim that you died soddenly or unexpectedly. And now,
there are instances of persons with epilepsy about one in
the thousand adults who have epilepsy can die in their sleep,
and that's called sou dep or sudden unexplained death in
persons with epilepsy. But there's no evidence here that she
ever had any seizures or history of epilepsy, so again
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highly unlikely. There's just no real basis to that claim.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Undetermined means very often when people quote die in their
sleep unexplained, we find out later there was an explanation.
I had a very very dear friend I worked with
in the District Attorney's office. She was an Adya, died
in her sleep, and I went off the rails, claiming
that was impossible.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Well, it was impossible. This is what happened. She was
on she would take something at night.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Help her sleep, like ambient or something, and she then
took another peal because she was going to have oral
surgery and she had been described the other peel in
print for the surgery, and they combined and somehow killed
her in then, and there had to be a very
exhaustive toxicology to test to figure out what had happened.
An you have people like I'm sure you're familiar with
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Caultmom Laurie Valo and her crazy prophet husband his wife,
Tammy died in her sleep.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Turns out she was asphyxiated.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
So I'm not buying to die in your sleep of
natural causes either, doctor Coin. So you think that's lame, correct.
Speaker 13 (34:25):
Absolutely, It's very rare for a person to die without
any cause, especially a person just from looking at our pictures,
she seems very healthy, and we've heard no reporter for
having any underlying meattal conditions, and so very rare for
an adult person to die of undetermined causes. We have
so many tools at our disposal to figure out that
cause of death. So had there been a body, I'm
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sure we would have been able to determine, which I
think in this case would have been murdered.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Crime stories with Nancy Gray. Now to the Google search,
how do you dismember a body?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
I think you know the answer to that, doctor Coin.
Speaker 13 (35:09):
Yeah, I think you know. Just coming out of Thanksgiving,
it's very difficult, right. Think about a turkey, right, In
order to cut through a turkey, you have to physically
break the joint or disarticulate the joints that connect to
the body and then use a very sharp knife to
cut through those. So you have to have some underlying
understanding of human anatomy to do that. But a human
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is much bigger than a turkey, so it's a lot
harder to do. So it would be a lot of work,
and there would also be a lot of blood. So
you would have to do it in an area that
you can effectively clean up or not leave any evidence thereof,
such as a carpeted, you know, room you'd want to
you know, have all of your appropriate tools in place,
and so for a body. Very often in my cases
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that I've worked up, I've seen people use knives, saws,
both electric and manual saws, as well as chainsaws or
other bigger devices.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
So his claim, uh, go with me on this. Brian Fitzgibbons.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
His claim that he woke up and found Anna dead
inner sleep next to him is belied disproved by his
Google search ways to dispose of body parts after the murder.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Murder, Well, he just said she died in her sleep.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
We also find out that he was obsessed with and
searched for the trash bag killer Patrick Kearney, a serial killer.
He researches how to clean up the mess made from
dismembering someone, and he even asked did dishwashers remove blood
and if he should trash his blood stained closed. There's Keernie.
(36:52):
He's a fine looking fellow. But to Bryan Fitzgibbons, that's
a subtle but critical fact. He looked, how do I
dispose body parts after murder? Not after finding my wife
dead in her sleep.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
That's a great point, and the defense here is asking
us to take an incredible leap, right to walk a
long way to say that number one, these searches exist,
right and explain those a way that this was just
born out of a moment of panic, that his wife
was found dead in the bed and then his next
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move is to dismember her.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
Right.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
This is a wild connection they're asking us to make here.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
There are also photos we've obtained of the alleged cleanup.
While we're looking at those photos, Dave Mac, what was found?
And what can you tell me about video of him
throwing out tra Oh my goodness, he was a busy bee,
wasn't he. This must be a Black Friday's hell because
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he's really stocking up on cleaning supplies.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Dave Mac, what did he get? I believe if it
was home depot.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
It was at home depot and at Loe's he actually
was getting He got a Tiebeck suit, you know, one
of the things you wear when you're cleaning up you know,
hazardous waist. Of course he got bagged and he got
all the cleaning supply, you know, bleach and everything you
could possibly use to clean up a huge mess. But
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you know, inside the house, beyond finding well what appeared
to be blood, they found a lot hacksaw, a blade,
you know, with what appeared to be blood on it.
It was like everything they found had blood on it.
And then you mentioned what was seen on video. Well,
as the investigators were trying to check out the stories
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that Brian Walsh was telling, they sent six investigators into
the area where Walsh claimed he was. You know when
he said he went to the grocery store. Well they
sent detectives like we're going to find out, and of
course they were able to find out he was nowhere
where he said he was. But they've got him on
video going up to trash hands, public trash hands, apartment
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trash hands and dumping huge bags, sealed bags of garbage,
just dumping it away all over.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
You know what Dave mac this, Oh there he is,
you know he I didn't want to guess he didn't
want to get caught in the rush hour traffic. He
decided to throw out all those trash bags in the
dark of night. And he's bringing back a lot of
fond memories of another guy that murdered his wife, allegedly
(39:36):
photus at Dulos, may he rotten hell. He murdered his wife,
the mother of his five children, Jennifer Dulos, and he
and his mistress, Michelle Traconis were videoed all around town
throwing Oh.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
There you go, Photus Doulos.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I wonder how many times I view this throwing out
trash bags. And he took the time to go to
over a dozen public trash cans and get rid of
trash bags like Kearnie, full of bloody rags, bloody towels,
a bloody bra, his wife's bloody clothing, all over town
and gleefully wingman Michiel Traconnas. There she goes, she dropped
(40:20):
her cell phone and had to pick it up. She's
caught on video too. That sounds like a fun afternoon date.
Let's go dispose of your wife's bloody clothes. And now
this dare I say, idiot? Brian Walsh is caught on
video Dave mac throwing out multiple damning pieces of evidence.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Where did he throw them? Dave?
Speaker 7 (40:50):
He threw them in an apartment complex trash dumpster near
his mother's home where his mother lives.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
They all run home to mommy. You know, just for once,
Brian Fitzgibbons, Can somebody surprise me?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
You know?
Speaker 2 (41:09):
It's like people always a like homing pigeons. They go
to where they're familiar. For instance, here's a great one
I always use, Scott Peterson. Where does he dump his
wife Lacy in their unborn child's body in his fishing hole?
That's where he takes him. San Francisco Bay. He goes
to his old marina where he always goes, and he
spotted in his vehicle with the boat in the back
(41:33):
and her body in the back of the boat covered
up with a tarp.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Surprise me, Where does this guy go Mommy's.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
He goes to her location on this long cecuitist route,
just like Brian Coburger, this.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Long secutust route. He says he got lost.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
On the way to his mom's and along the way
he dumps all the evidence.
Speaker 9 (41:53):
What about it, Fitzgibbons, And I'll add another one that
you and I have both worked on.
Speaker 6 (41:59):
Nikki Sale McCain. You know Tyler McCain back at his
mother's residence on the Reading Rancheria right after she went missing.
You know we see this time and again. They're gonna
go to a familiar place.
Speaker 13 (42:13):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
He probably believed that that dumpster did not have video
surveillance on it. It is my guess that he was
familiar with the dumpster and didn't think it was being surveilled.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Let's hear him try to talk his way out of this.
Listen to Brian Walsh from the Horse's Mouth.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I can't make this up.
Speaker 10 (42:32):
There is dozens of surgers. And then on the morning
of the first how to dispose of the body, how
to get blood out of hardwood? For us? How do
you dispose of the body of the tread? How to
uh saw the body from deposing? And how do you
(42:55):
explain that, I'm right here?
Speaker 2 (42:59):
How do you get blood out of hardwood floors? How
to dispose of a body in the trash? How to
stop a body from decomposing? Well that's not all here,
he tries to rope in his own children.
Speaker 10 (43:15):
How do you explain that?
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Well?
Speaker 10 (43:17):
Four fifty four in the morning. The idea Yeady is wearying.
Speaker 11 (43:23):
The ten ths ways to be spoil the week in
Boston four one.
Speaker 10 (43:31):
I tell me no idea that Thomas sleep and well,
Thomas's group the iPad Thomas Alia. I mean I don't
use that iPad, So that's good.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
The area, Yeah, that is really weird. Brian Walsh, we
wait as just as unfolds in a court of law.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
If you know or think you know anything about Anna
Walsh's murder, please call aka has seven eight one eight
three zero four nine nine zero seven eight one eight
three zero four nine nine zero.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
And now we remember an American.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Hero, Sergeant Terry Mascow, Indian River County Sheriffs, shot in
the light of duty, serving twenty five years, leaving behind
a grieving husband, a daughter, and a stepson. American hero
Sergeant Terry Mascow. Nancy Gray signing off good bye friend,
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