June 22, 2024 • 43 mins
Courtney Clenney, the Only Fans model accused of murdering her boyfriend, is not the only Clenney charged in connection to the death of Christian Obumseli. Clenney's parents are facing computer crime charges. Prosecutors say the family illegally access a laptop, overlooked by police, belonging to Obumseli. Defense attorneys counter that the laptop may have been a shared device.
A police warrant states thatClenney and her parents discussed potential passwords to hack into the laptop using as many as a dozen.
In the meantime Clenney is still facing murder charges. No trial date has been set. Clenney was arrested on charges that she stabbed her boyfriend to death at a Miami high-rise. Christian Obumseli, 27, died inside the couple's apartment.
An attorney for Clenney says that the 25-year-old “was a victim of physical, emotional, and mental abuse at the hands of Obumseli and killed him in self-defense. However in a newly-released video, recorded by Obumseli's phone Courtney Clenney is heard viciously berating her boyfriend, calling him a racist slur, and more.
Friends of the couple said it was unimaginable that Obumseli could have been violent toward Clenney, saying while they had seen Clenney hit Obumseli, they had never seen him hit her.
Three recordings, running between one and seven minutes long were provided in the discovery phase of the murder case against Clenney.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Brad M. Micklin, Esq - Lead Attorney, Managing Member, The Micklin Law Group, LLC (Nutley, NJ), micklinlawgroup.com
- Dr. Charles Heller - Clinical and Forensic Psychologist Specializing in Domestic Violence, Chief Forensic Consultant: Rockland County (New York) Forensic Mental Health Unit, Rutgers Biomedical and Health Sciences
- Dr. Todd M. Barr - Board-Certified Anatomic/Clinical/Forensic Pathologist (Ohio), Featured in "Thin Places: Essays From In Between" by Jordan Kisner, Twitter: @ToddBarrME
- Dan Corsentino - Former Police Chief, Former Sheriff, Served on US Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board, Private Investigator www.dancorsentino.com
- Charlie Lankston - FeMail Editor, DailyMail.com, Twitter/Instagram:@charlielanks
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
The porn side Only Fans seems to be sweeping the
country in popularity. But for you legal eagles, this is
what you need to know. The so called OnlyFans killer
model Courtney Cleane as now seen in bodycam video begging
to see the Crypto Trader boyfriend she just stabbed dead
(00:31):
and tells cops she tried to save his life despite
her being scared. Excuse me, you're the one with the knife, lady.
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us. The Only Fans model Courtney Cline covered
in blood after allegedly stabbing her boyfriend and begging paramedics
(00:55):
to save him after the attack. This is all discovered
on newly least bodycam footage. Clinty twenty seven, now facing
murder charges in the deadly stabbing of her Crypto Trader boyfriend,
Christian am Buselli. They were at their luxury Miami apartment
(01:15):
when the murder occurred. The new video shows the moment
cops enter the apartment to find the Only Fans model,
and I use that in the loosest sense of the word,
cradling her victim and crying.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Baby, baby, baby, wake.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Up and no, no, no no. As police try to
move her away. She was covered in blood head to toe,
wearing drenched sweatpants and said I can't let this happen
and quickly it wasn't me as cops pull her hands
behind her neck and cuff her. This is all on
(01:54):
bodycam video. While speaking to police, as paramedics try to
save the boy friend, she says, I'm terrified for him
and I was quote so scared. I'm covered in his
blood because I was trying to save him. I need him.
He's my other half. Well guess what, lady, your other
half is dead? What exactly happened?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Listen our friends WSVN.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
A bloody Sunday domestic killing inside a trendy Miami high rise.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I think everybody is in shah actually, like claberdapted.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
These images come courtesy of TMZ The Sparkling One Putty
is so condominium is where it got violent days ago,
and now a twenty seven year old man is dead
and his family is devastating. Courtney Clenney, a famous Instagram model,
is who Miami Policay was involved in a physical altercation
with Obumselli, who was stabbed.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Wow, the way they said that the sparkling one Paraiso condominium.
That proves it doesn't matter where you live, or how
much money you have, or education or what color you
are doesn't matter. Crime can and we'll find its way
into your life. An Only Fans model now charged with murder?
(03:09):
How the hey is this twisted around to where she
is the victim? Take a listen nowt to our friends
at WPLG.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Following the stabbing, Clenny was detained. She was brought here
to the police department for questioning, and during that process
she was threatening to kill herself, so officers took her
to the hospital where she was baker acted.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Detectives revealed Christian Obumselli was stabbed during an argument inside
their luxury Miami apartment in April. After the stabbing, video
obtained by TMZ shows Clenny handcuffed and covered in blood
sitting on the floor. Clenny was not charged during the
initial investigation.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
What not charged?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
She's sitting on the balcony of a high rise translation,
nobody went in or came out high rise balcony covered
and her boyfriend blood and she's not charged? What because
she's pretty and has a big bosom? Is that why
she's not charged? Okay, she's what too pretty for jail?
(04:13):
Did you hear that earlier part? You know, I want
to go.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
To you, Charlie Langston, female editor.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
That's Fie m Ai l at dailymail dot com.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
But I've got to just go to doctor Charles Heller.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Heller, clinical forensic psychologist, specializing in domestic violence. He's at
Rutger's Biomedical and Health Sciences. Doctor Heller, is there a
clinical term for drama queen? The boyfriend is stabbed dead
and then she's what hyperventilating in her push up bra
(04:50):
on the balcony covered in his blood, and she threatens
to kill herself. Yeah, of course she didn't kill herself.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But just what's the word for that? Historyonic?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I guess I bet you've got a really big word
for drama.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
Well, we could start with narcissism. We could go to
antisocial personality, disorder, borderline personality. Also, there's a strange addiction
that people have to other people, quote codependency, and I
think both of these people were addicted to each other
(05:27):
and could not leave each other.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Okay, hold on, hold on, I've got something to throw
at you. Okay, everybody on the pallend, just hold on
them on. Doctor Heller with me is a renowned expert,
doctor Charles Heller, forensic psychologist at Rockland County Chief Forensic
Consultant and at Rutger's Biomedical. That's not shabby, doctor Heller.
(05:53):
Maybe you can put this in the correct clinical terms.
But I've had friend girls in the past. Oh, I
don't like him.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
He's boring. I'm like, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
You've dated all these losers who stand you up, who
cheat on you. They're drinkers, they do drugs, they're unemployed,
then they're employed. You know, they yell at your children.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You go up and down and up and down. You
finally get a decent guy and he's boring. Seriously, what
is that?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
When you are so addicted to the roller coaster of
an abusive or toxic relationship, You're so addicted when you
finally get a nice guy that works for a living,
comes home and takes you out to dinner, that's boring.
You don't want red lobster anymore. You want to go
have a fight in the parking lot.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
What is that?
Speaker 7 (06:48):
Well, first of all, that kind of person also has
an addiction, an addictive personality, and they crave a certain
stimuli in another person that gives them like a high,
and being close to another person like that is what
(07:10):
they crave and they want to control that person.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Did you think it's not necessarily a personality trait? But
they're conditioned to it. They're used to the highs and
the lows, and the roller coaster and the happiness when
he brings the roses, and the despair when he doesn't
show up overnight.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
You're like, wow, is he with a hooker?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I mean, when you're used to that and then you
have a somewhat normal relationship, that's boring. I don't know
that that would be a personality trait. It could be
just what.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You're used to.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Like children that grow up in a violent home, they're
really not happy until they are in a violent home
themselves and that feels normal to them.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
Well, code dependency is a family disease, just like alcoholism,
and it starts in the family you grew up in.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeahs, you're hearing doctor Charles Heller and I haven't even
gotten into the facts yet.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
We have an all star panel with us.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
But I just had to go to doctor heller about
this woman the only fans model and no Charlie Langston,
editor of Female Femail at dailymail dot com. Charlie, how
is it He's did from multiple stablins on the floor
and she turns out to be the victim and threatens
(08:33):
to kill herself.
Speaker 8 (08:34):
Really, she is claiming that he was stabbed in self defense.
She claims that he grabbed her by the throat and
that she grabbed the knife to defend herself. However, I
should point out the cops who went to the apartment
and said that there was absolutely no evidence of any
injury on her body, So there is extreme doubt over
(08:59):
her claim that he grabbed her by the throat. If
he did that and left not a single mock, it
can't have been violent enough in my opinion, to warrant
a response with a knife.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Brad and Micklin is joining us, guys. He is a
very high profile lawyer joining us, Lead attorney, managing member
at the Micklan Law Group, joining us.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Out of New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
You can find him at Micklinlawgroup dot com. Brad, I
hate a lot of aspects regarding criminal defendants, but one
thing I really hate, and this is having defended battered
women for many, many years and work as a volunteer
for nearly ten years at the Batter Women's Center. I
hate when women aggressors, women bullies, women killers use the
(09:48):
batter women syndrome to their benefit when it's not true,
because people hear about it, and then when.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
They're sitting on a jury with a real battered woman,
they go, oh, this is bs. See what I mean.
Speaker 9 (10:02):
I agree, it's supposed to be a shield, a protection
battered women's syndrome, the domestic violence protection orders, but people
use it as a weapon, and then when the victim
is dead and can't defend himself, it's an easy defense
to use. I mean, your whole conversation with doctor Heller
before was implicitly saying Christian was to blame, that she
(10:25):
was addicted to his abuse, to his dependency, and we're
already talking about what did he do, what was his
role in this, without talking about the fact that she
stabbed them, and everything that was recorded and shown shows
that she goes from common to rage and nothing more.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
On the other hand, you really can't ignore the statistics
so typically overwhelmingly, like ninety plus percent of the time,
it is the male that is the aggressor. I can't
avoid that truth, and that's a truth we've got to
deal with.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
But speaking of Herbie, the vistas the.
Speaker 9 (10:58):
Truth unless you accept that stat well, I didn't start
to support anything.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well, I usually stay with the Department of Justice. And
should I believe you? Micquelin, are my lion eyes.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I know what I saw in court every day for
ten straight years plus. I know what I saw at
Grady Memorial Hospital where all the beat up women go.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I know what I saw at the Battered.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Women's Center, night after night after night of battered women.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So you are my lion eyes. Let me think about that.
Speaker 9 (11:32):
Well, don't look. I tell you that women are often
significant victims of the mesk of violence, but that doesn't
negate the fact that justice. Many men are too. Just
more of them are.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I don't know what you're smoking, man, but I'm not
getting near it. So the claim that she is the victim.
Take listen now to our cut ten. This is our friends.
These are our friends at Fox seven and WPLG.
Speaker 10 (12:01):
Behind closed doors. We just started hearing some shouting, yelling.
We don't know who was starting what. We didn't get
a lot of contacts. Occasionally we would hear some glasses
break and some banging on.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
The walls, floors.
Speaker 10 (12:16):
Not sure you know who is doing it. I just
want people to know that it had been going on
for a long time and it definitely could have been stopped.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
When police reported that Obumseelli was fatally stabbed by Clannie
on Sunday inside their Miami apartment, the friends were left speechless.
They portray a very violent relationship at the hands of
only one person.
Speaker 11 (12:33):
We've seen her hit him. I've never seen him hit her.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
But regardless of what friends and neighbors insist to be true,
somehow the Only Fans model is being painted as the victim.
Take a listen to our friends at WPLG.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Her lawyers sent me this statement.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
It reads in part of them Celly attacked her and
choked her that evening. Courtney had no choice but to
meet force with force. In April and told Local ten
he had a clear view of the couple's apartment and
saw Clenty getting physically abused.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Trust me.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Bodycam video of the date of the so called OnlyFans
murder will be admitted into evidence in front of a jury.
That is, unless the state takes a cheap plea on
what should be a murder one charge. The bodycam video
is damning the defendant. Clenny, who uses the name Courtney
(13:41):
Taylor on her porn platforms like Instagram and only fans,
acknowledges she kills her boyfriend, but now says she acted
in self defense. Her defense attorney, Frank Prieto, insists the boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Was the abusive one. But that's not what friends and
family say.
Speaker 12 (14:05):
Listen to this, Talk to me what is going on?
Speaker 9 (14:18):
Like?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
What do you are you gonna get this out of me?
When I'm apologizing to you, but you're.
Speaker 13 (14:23):
Thinking I'm doing it. I'm not your Okay, I'm not
doing it on purpose. The right to tell me yes,
and I am so sorry. Shut up, you've done. Give
me my phone? You find it, shin, I'm sorry, I
(14:46):
don't care.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
That's not gonna help her claim that she's the victim.
To Charlie Langton joining us from dailymail dot Com, the
editor of Female What did I just hear? I heard
going we are going crazy on him, cursing at him,
ordering him around. She's saying something like you touched her.
The right thing to do is to tell me. She
(15:09):
is really letting him have it.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
He's going, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What was that all about?
Speaker 8 (15:13):
So what you were hearing? There was a recording that
Obam Celley himself made. It's one of multiple recordings of
moments when Clenny was abusive towards him. Some of the
other recordings are even more horrific. You can hear her
physically slapping him. You can hear her repeatedly calling him
(15:36):
the N word. She swears at him, she belittled him,
she bereats him.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Did you say call him the N word? Well, he's black,
she's white.
Speaker 8 (15:44):
I called him the N word on multiple occasions and
he recorded all of it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, you're right, Charlie Langston.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
There are a lot of audiotapes and guess what we've
got them. This is reminding me of Johnny Depp versus
Am or Her, with not quite as much money involved.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Take a listen to this. Just don't.
Speaker 14 (16:09):
Yeh man, oh man, because I'm.
Speaker 11 (16:11):
Telling you I don't know your phone is.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Fine it do you help me find it?
Speaker 13 (16:26):
I man, man, your man.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Your man? Yeah a man?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah man, Okay, sadly you're gonna hear more.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Listen, I need to mind it because I have to
on my r down to go out. Now you don't
have to fold. Just please shut up, shut up, you
(17:07):
want to go, I didn't go to go about it.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Okay, put on your seabell because there's a lot more
joining me. Dan Corsantino, former police chief, former sheriff, served
on Home US Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board, now private investigator.
You can find him at Dankorsantino dot com. He seems
to know everything about every high profile case that I'm
(17:39):
interested in. Dan Corzantino murder very often we don't know
what led up to it. We don't know what's going
on behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
But what do you make of what you're hearing right now?
All this over a lost iPhone fight? Used buy my iPhone?
For Pete's sake? Why are they fighting over an iphon phone?
To this degree? What's happening? And he is upstabed.
Speaker 15 (18:04):
Dead well to me, obviously, it's a very dysfunctional relationship
to say the very minimum. But as you take a
look at the pattern of behavior with a miss Clinnie
in this situation, it appears that she and I hate
to use the terminology as a spoiled little brat but
(18:25):
it appears that she is a young woman who is
wants to be controlling, demanding in the situation, and if
she's not getting her way, she escalates her behavior. And obviously,
not being a psychologist, but being a cop, one of
the things you look for upon entering a situation is
(18:48):
the demeanor of the individuals or individual that is in
the house. And in this case, she may have fooled
some people, were attempted to fool some people because you know,
she was an normally fans model. She was acting and
she's a very good actress.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I'm trying to absorb everything that you just said because
there are parts of that there. It's very profound as
it relates to the probative nature of Clinny's personality.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Charlie Langston, what about it? Did you hear what Corsantino
just said?
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I did?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
And did you see.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That picture Charlie Charlie Langston joining us from daily mail
dot Com of her sitting on the balcony covered in blood,
but somehow she manages to have her left breast hanging out.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I police get there, okay, and the dog.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Nobody's commented on that, but I mean there it is
and the dog is sitting there just looking her like,
what did you just do?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Do you see this?
Speaker 8 (19:54):
I did, and I think it's in.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Your article, Charlie Man. I'm looking right at it.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
And it I mean, it's unbelievably shocking, and I.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Think, I mean, the cops are coming, so hey, just
take your breast out.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Well, and I think you know, the image that was portrayed,
whether or not it was constructed or real, is an
image of someone who is trying to look in a
state of emotional distress, because that is one of the
things that she has claimed that there is no way
(20:27):
she could be responsible. There's no way that she could
have intended to kill him because she was in such
a state of emotional distress when cops arrived. That's not
someone who intended to kill someone.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Or is someone that killed their boyfriend in an angry
Brady fit. He couldn't be Yeah, couldn't get the empts
there fast enough to save his life.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Neither she cared. Nos, the cops are there, so she
takes her breast out.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I don't know what effect that's going to have on
a female cop running up what fifteen.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Flights of stairs, But that said, there it is.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
That's something for the jury to mul joining me Doctor
Todd M. Barr, board certified anatomic Clinical forensic Pathologists joining
us out of Ohio. Featured in Thin Places Essays from
in Between and you can find them on Twitter at
Todd Barr MA. That stands for Medical Examiner doctor Barr.
(21:22):
What do you make of this copious amount of blood
from a stab to the shoulder?
Speaker 14 (21:29):
Well, yeah, Nancy, I'm looking at the crime scene photos and.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Rich crime scene photos of her on the balcony with
her breast hanging out.
Speaker 14 (21:37):
Well there's that, but I'm that too. The picture of
the knife on the floor with the blood spatter all
over the walls and all over the floor, clearly an
artery with hits. That's a lot of blood spatter and
coming from an artery which is under great pressure.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And the fact you know which artery the carotid, Well.
Speaker 14 (22:02):
If he was stabbed shoulder, yeah, it's probably the subclavian
artery of the brake deal artery. One of the words, Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Okay, wait a minute, I'm just a JD. You're the MD.
Speaker 9 (22:11):
The what.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
We only we typically hear of the carotid in the
net or the femeral in the leg. What are the
ones you just said break you'll that means arm right exactly.
Speaker 14 (22:22):
And subclavian is what comes off of the order that
feeds the blood to the shoulder area to the break.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
You'll subclavian now clavicle is this right?
Speaker 14 (22:32):
Uh? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Okay, Jackie, Doctor Jackie saying yes, So sub means below
that there's an artery there and the brak you'll artery
in your arm, correct.
Speaker 14 (22:42):
Yeah, So all of those blood vessels and all the
nerves that feed the arm, everything sort of come together
right through and they sort of traverse down through the
armpit and down into the arm area. But this is
from something that was arterial in nature as far as
I can tell from the pictures I'm looking at.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
When you say it that way, it sounds like you're
dissecting a bug arterial in nature.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
You mean she stabbed him in an artery? Is that
what that means?
Speaker 14 (23:12):
Yeah, that's exactly what that means.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Artery is more like have you ever driven by a
fire hidge and just see the words shooting out?
Speaker 14 (23:20):
Exactly, that's our tear.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
That's a stab in the artery.
Speaker 14 (23:23):
That's exactly right. It's under intense high pressure. Every time
the heart contracts, it's forcing that blood into those arteries.
So and the heart is just a solid muscle, so
every time it squeezes, it's going to shoot that blood out.
In fact, veins are under very low pressure because they're
just sort of returning the blood back to the heart,
(23:44):
so it's sort of a passive movement of blood in
the in the venus system. But arterial blood is under
high pressure.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Haven't I told you you need to do an audio book.
You may just talk about cases and explain it because
that it's incredibly interesting just in the way you explain
it makes so much sense. I mean, Charlie Langson, now
let's take what doctor Todd M barr has said and
apply it to this situation. And he goes right back
(24:13):
to that picture of her and her one breast hanging
out on the balcony, and she's totally it's so bloody.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It looks like a Halloween costume. It does.
Speaker 8 (24:21):
It's it's goriyan graphic.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Okay, now we're back back to the actual crime we
were talking about. I was playing for you audio. Well, okay,
they're not over yet. Take a listen to this.
Speaker 13 (24:36):
I was going on a bike ride, just gonna make
you act like this.
Speaker 15 (24:47):
Corney.
Speaker 13 (24:48):
I was on the bike ride and she passed me
and I said, Hi, you and Courney are having a
life chat my bed. I forgot to tell you that
that doesn't make you to act.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
In com yes, thinking yeah, operated.
Speaker 16 (25:21):
One, ma'am, listen to me.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
You need to stop.
Speaker 15 (25:26):
Stilling on the line and give me the address.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
One taking my arm, one on one in my arm,
what man, but my brid ma'am, what is the address?
What's one.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Northeast?
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Please do come to my head.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
You're hearing at the beginning more screaming, and you also
hear Courtney Clinny slapping him Christian open selly, and the
whole thing is on audio, which begs the question why
was he videoing or taping the argument?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
And then you hear.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
The star of the whole trial, her nine one one call,
screaming again, and.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
The dispatch says, you got to stop.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Screaming and tell me your address, and you can hear
probably some of the last words ever spoken by Christian,
and he is saying, I'm dying. I can't fill my arm.
I'm gonna die. I want to ask you, Charlie Lankson.
We endured together the Johnny Depp amber her trial, and
(26:46):
people kept.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Saying, why would she.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Was she starting an argument with him and then videoing
him or videoing him drunk, or videoing him drunken passed
out with ice cream melting in his lap?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Why?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I mean, if my husband was in a bad way
and he was passed out with ice cream or food
all over him, I wouldn't video it. So in this case, however,
why is he Christian o'mselli audio taping the argument where
she's physically attacking him because some woman rode by him
(27:20):
on a bike and said hi to me.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
The fact that he was recording her is evidence that
their relationship had been abusive for a very long time.
There's also other evidence to.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Back that up.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
You've got neighbors talking about smashing things. She had been
arrested previously for domestic violence, and I think he knew
that the face that she was showing to the world
was a very different face than the one that he
saw behind the scenes, and he knew that in order
to protect himself, he needed to make these recordings so
(27:53):
that he would have evidence if he ever got into
a situation where she tried to flip the script and
say that he had been a youth. And the devastating
thing is these recordings will now serve as evidence, but
not to protect him. They will serve as evidence in
a murder trial.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Welcome Back, everybody and only fans model now charged with
murder in the brutal stabbing death of her boyfriend. The
so called model also told investigators the boyfriend pushed her
and threw her to the floor, that she then grabbed
(28:46):
a knife and threw it at the victim from about
ten feet away, but the medical examiner says, uh, no way.
The emmy that performed the autopsy says the victims wounds
could not have been caused by a knife thrown from
that distance. The body of victim Christian and Buselli taken
(29:11):
from the Miami apartment directly to the medical Examiner's office.
Released nine one one. Audio following the brutal stabbing reveals
the suspect telling her lover baby, I'm so sorry. This
is right after she plunges the knife into his body. Now,
she didn't tell nine one one she stabbed the boyfriend,
(29:33):
but she sobbed and sobbed to him about how quote
sorry she was. In the background, you can actually hear
twenty seven year old Christian crying, I can't feel my arm.
I don't know how the jury's going to stand seeing
and hearing this that day turns deadly. It tells me
(29:56):
he was abuse so often he finally started recording it.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
These people were addicted to each other. She was really inappropriate,
and she was very jealous. Anytime he looked at someone,
she probably would have a fit, a bad one.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
You know, I don't get that.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
You know when my husband go jogging for a walk
and a woman goes by and he glances over, and
I'm like, good, I'm glad to say, you're still alive, David,
keep going excuse your blood still pumping through your veins.
I wouldn't think of yelling and beating him because he
spoke to some lady.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Just it's so twisted up.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
But to you, Brad Micklin, high profile lawyer at the
Micklin Law Group, this is exactly what leads up something
as stupid as saying hi to a woman going by
on a bike to murder.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It's insane.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
It is insane, and we keep having this conversation about
him being addicted to her or the relationship being abusive. No,
she was abusive. She stabbed them. And I think Christian
was recorded as because he knew or feared that she
would call the police one day, say he was committing
domestic violence. He would be arrested for it, and him,
(31:13):
being bigger and stronger, would have no defense. So we
start to record it to defend himself, which unfortunately he
can't do any longer. And I hope that they're used
in a criminal trial to show just.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
How violent she was.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Okay, guys, uh, her claim that.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
She's the victim, Well, this is not going to help.
This is body cam footage and you know what that means.
That means the cops have arrived. This was a previous event.
Speaker 11 (31:38):
Listen, yes, yes, why do you.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Stop?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
It's everybody talking on top of each other. But we
hear her and this is to a cup. I do
not advise speaking down to or being belligerent to a cup.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
No, what's happening there, Charlie Langston.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
So this was recorded the day before Albam Sully was
stabbed and the cops were called to her apartment building.
She claims that she had thrown Abam Selly out of
their apartment the week before that they had broken up,
and she accused him of stalking her, and she demanded
that the cops give her a restraining order. The interesting
(32:50):
thing is you can hear her in one recording telling
the cops I need a restraining order before he gets one,
which suggests to me that she knew that he had
a full claim to accuse her of the same kind
of abuse that she was attempting to accuse him off.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh there you go, dueling with training orders. But the
thing here is she's claiming he's stalking her.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Other reports are he was trying to just get back
in the apartment where they both lived. Well there's more. Uh,
you know this should be assigned to her defense attorney.
Don't let her on the stand. Take a listen to
this more body cam footage.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I see in my apartment all day.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
I didn't take my dog's house for like eight hours because.
Speaker 11 (33:34):
I was afraid that when I came down here. Do
you know I didn't do I want the dogs?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
You wouldn't you just want to get Do you have
any property in your apartment?
Speaker 15 (33:46):
House?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Kiss so much to his respect. I just I just
feel like I'm not being heard.
Speaker 11 (33:54):
So I had a lot of opportunities.
Speaker 10 (33:57):
And I did not.
Speaker 11 (33:59):
So when I when he's following around his hols hurt,
I said, there is no your time is out.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
There like that, my dad's there, and I.
Speaker 15 (34:11):
Said a shelter when I.
Speaker 11 (34:16):
Was show reverse and I shoved and I said, show
me like. I really got angry because I did not.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I only did to see my dogs.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Okay, So basically she's saying I was afraid I want
to take my dogs out, but I couldn't. But it
sounds like she actually did and that he got on
the elevator. And her complaint is he quote smells like
a homeless shelter. Okay, so she stabbed him.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
There's more. Listen.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
This is what Charlie Langston was telling us. She wants
to get a restraining order against him before he can
do it.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
To her, listener, I'm feeling alright, So what do you
what do you?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
What do you want?
Speaker 11 (35:00):
I just want to I want to be like I'm
trying to be like like anything wrong, and I want him.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I want a restraining order against Christianity's So I'm very important.
Can I do that? Can I make myself first, because
I know him and you would do it.
Speaker 11 (35:20):
How can I mean myself first?
Speaker 9 (35:22):
You got to get there first, persons.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
It's the only way, the only idea. We don't even
know how it looks like, you know who it is.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
How do we know that?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Oh my goodness, Okay, Charlie Lyson more of the same.
But here we hear her stating that she wants to
get him before he gets her.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
What more do you believe is revealed in these tapes?
Speaker 8 (35:46):
I mean, I think there are so many different recordings
that focus on her abusive, erratic behavior, and it just
proves that the dynamic in the relationship was large from
what we hear her berating and abusing him. As we
heard earlier, friends of the couple stated very clearly that
(36:08):
they saw Clennie hit Obamselly, they never saw the violence
being returned. We also had video footage from inside the
elevator of their apartment building months before Abbamselly was stabbed,
but showed Clennie beating him, pulling his hair, and all
he does is cover away an attempt to defend himself.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
To Dan Corsentino, joining US Foreign Police Chief Sheriff, US
Online Security Advisor private investigator at Dan Corsentino dot Com.
Elevator video, it really came to the forefront in the
Rice case where you see him and this is a
professional football player dragging the victim, a female victim by
(36:55):
her hair, out of the elevator. And then of course
there was the famous or should I say infamous Beyonce
video where you see.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Her sister lie into.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Beyonce's husband jay Z like there's no tomorrow and I
guarantee you.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Going out on a limb here.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
He deserved it because she just stood there like mm
hmmm while her sister was beating him up. Elevator footage,
nobody can suppress it. It's in a public place, so
it's fair game, and the elevator footage in this case
is damning for her.
Speaker 15 (37:35):
Absolutely. In this case, she is demonstrative, she's aggressive, she
is violent, and she's attacking. Then what we see, let's
compare the size of the two. She appears to be
about five foot two. He appears to be at least
five to ten, maybe a little bit taller, somewhat buff,
(37:55):
but very good shape, and he was on the defensive.
In this case. An elevator video is very clear that
she is a violent offender that attacked him, and he
was trying to protect himself from everything she was attempting
to do. Strike him in the head, strike him in
the chest, strike him in the arm. Very very definitive.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Doctor Charles Heller joining us, a clinical forensic psychologist.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Why is it so hard for people to.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Believe that a man can be the victim and domestic violence?
Speaker 16 (38:28):
Well, it goes against the stereotypes basically, but he could
not leave her even though she was violent with him, jealous,
making up imaginary.
Speaker 7 (38:40):
Things about him, And that's codependency, that's dual addiction. And
what happens is basically, it's so strong, the bond is
so strong, and in metaphor metaphoric terms, the pegs in
his head matched exis actually the holes in her head.
(39:02):
They were bonded so tightly together that they couldn't extricate themselves.
He couldn't leave her and she couldn't leave him.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
You know, the officers really hit the nail on the head.
Take a listen to our friends at WPLG are cut
thirty four.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Also informing her that she's not being clear on what
she wants.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
You want this person to completely disappear.
Speaker 9 (39:25):
From your life.
Speaker 8 (39:26):
At the same time, you have n't in your apartment
here for two months without ton.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Of stuff in here, I know.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Clinny goes back to her apartment. Officers then go to
the employee who made the original call, telling him she
never disclosed that there was violence that particular night.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
That's that's my one right.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
But she didn't mention none of that until she says
she wants to do something about it, so we can
get so we can so we that's where we step
in and where it's a criminal activity.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
But she needs to mention something about that.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
Okay.
Speaker 14 (39:56):
Unfortunately we can't do anything.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
So she calls cops over there, but then doesn't do
doesn't go forward with any type of action. Brad Micklin
with me, high profile lawyer out of New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Brad, where do you believe this whole thing will end?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And you apparently firmly believe men can be the victims
of domestic violence.
Speaker 9 (40:18):
Men are the victims of domestic violence. Just like doctor
Heller said, they are stereotypically afraid to call and report it.
I mean, can you imagine if Christian had picked up
the phone and said, my little girlfriend Courtney is beating
me up, I need a restraining order. He would have
been laughed at. But this case from a criminal standpoint,
really hinges on whether or not these audios and the
(40:40):
video of the elevator get in or not, because they
are so prejudicial that there is some chance that they
that they roll, that they can't be used against her,
and that I think is going to turn in this case.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
He's tuning up and I expect to hear the full
symphony at trial. Charlie Langston, Dailymail dot Com.
Speaker 8 (40:57):
What's next, Well, now we wait for how to go
on trial. She's currently in custody waiting the start of
her trial, and it will be very interesting to see
whether or not she is put on the stand, because
if her behavior that we've heard in these recordings is
anything to go by, she's not going to be a
solid or reliable witness. She's proven herself to be incredibly erratic,
(41:22):
as you said, Nancy, belligerent towards authority figures, and I
don't know whether what she's potentially going to say on
the stand will help her.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
And happier times, the two look so full of joy,
But prosecutors say Christian's death was the culmination of a
tempestuous and combative relationship, and from what we're learning, it's
largely due to her Now, Clinty was arrested in Hawaii
(41:51):
back in August and is a waiting trial. She planed
not guilty to a new charge of interception of wire
communications related to the murder. This new charge stems from
a bombshell revelation that her parents, Kim and Deborah Clinny,
were arrested in connection with the murder. Kim Clinty accused
(42:15):
of taking the boyfriend Crypto Trader's computer from the murder
scene in Miami after it was missed by investigators. He
then allegedly accessed it with a password supplied by his daughter,
and according to arrest warrants, detectors recovered text messages where
the parents discuss trying to get access to Christian's computer. Now,
(42:41):
the dad reportedly hinted the computer over to the defense
team after finding nothing on it but a crypto exchange.
That's according to TMZ, but he was arrested along with
his wife for evidence tampering. The Only Fans Model Court.
Clinney has a long history of domestic battery back in Vegas,
(43:08):
and police recall to the couple's home in Austin, Texas,
on several occasions as well, we wait as just as
unfalse goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
The porn side Only Fans seems to be sweeping the
country in popularity. But for you legal eagles, this is
what you need to know. The so called OnlyFans killer
model Courtney Cleane as now seen in bodycam video begging
to see the Crypto Trader boyfriend she just stabbed dead
(00:31):
and tells cops she tried to save his life despite
her being scared. Excuse me, you're the one with the knife, lady.
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us. The Only Fans model Courtney Cline covered
in blood after allegedly stabbing her boyfriend and begging paramedics
(00:55):
to save him after the attack. This is all discovered
on newly least bodycam footage. Clinty twenty seven, now facing
murder charges in the deadly stabbing of her Crypto Trader boyfriend,
Christian am Buselli. They were at their luxury Miami apartment
(01:15):
when the murder occurred. The new video shows the moment
cops enter the apartment to find the Only Fans model,
and I use that in the loosest sense of the word,
cradling her victim and crying.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Baby, baby, baby, wake.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Up and no, no, no no. As police try to
move her away. She was covered in blood head to toe,
wearing drenched sweatpants and said I can't let this happen
and quickly it wasn't me as cops pull her hands
behind her neck and cuff her. This is all on
(01:54):
bodycam video. While speaking to police, as paramedics try to
save the boy friend, she says, I'm terrified for him
and I was quote so scared. I'm covered in his
blood because I was trying to save him. I need him.
He's my other half. Well guess what, lady, your other
half is dead? What exactly happened?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Listen our friends WSVN.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
A bloody Sunday domestic killing inside a trendy Miami high rise.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I think everybody is in shah actually, like claberdapted.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
These images come courtesy of TMZ The Sparkling One Putty
is so condominium is where it got violent days ago,
and now a twenty seven year old man is dead
and his family is devastating. Courtney Clenney, a famous Instagram model,
is who Miami Policay was involved in a physical altercation
with Obumselli, who was stabbed.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Wow, the way they said that the sparkling one Paraiso condominium.
That proves it doesn't matter where you live, or how
much money you have, or education or what color you
are doesn't matter. Crime can and we'll find its way
into your life. An Only Fans model now charged with murder?
(03:09):
How the hey is this twisted around to where she
is the victim? Take a listen nowt to our friends
at WPLG.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Following the stabbing, Clenny was detained. She was brought here
to the police department for questioning, and during that process
she was threatening to kill herself, so officers took her
to the hospital where she was baker acted.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Detectives revealed Christian Obumselli was stabbed during an argument inside
their luxury Miami apartment in April. After the stabbing, video
obtained by TMZ shows Clenny handcuffed and covered in blood
sitting on the floor. Clenny was not charged during the
initial investigation.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
What not charged?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
She's sitting on the balcony of a high rise translation,
nobody went in or came out high rise balcony covered
and her boyfriend blood and she's not charged? What because
she's pretty and has a big bosom? Is that why
she's not charged? Okay, she's what too pretty for jail?
(04:13):
Did you hear that earlier part? You know, I want
to go.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
To you, Charlie Langston, female editor.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
That's Fie m Ai l at dailymail dot com.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
But I've got to just go to doctor Charles Heller.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Heller, clinical forensic psychologist, specializing in domestic violence. He's at
Rutger's Biomedical and Health Sciences. Doctor Heller, is there a
clinical term for drama queen? The boyfriend is stabbed dead
and then she's what hyperventilating in her push up bra
(04:50):
on the balcony covered in his blood, and she threatens
to kill herself. Yeah, of course she didn't kill herself.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But just what's the word for that? Historyonic?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I guess I bet you've got a really big word
for drama.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
Well, we could start with narcissism. We could go to
antisocial personality, disorder, borderline personality. Also, there's a strange addiction
that people have to other people, quote codependency, and I
think both of these people were addicted to each other
(05:27):
and could not leave each other.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Okay, hold on, hold on, I've got something to throw
at you. Okay, everybody on the pallend, just hold on
them on. Doctor Heller with me is a renowned expert,
doctor Charles Heller, forensic psychologist at Rockland County Chief Forensic
Consultant and at Rutger's Biomedical. That's not shabby, doctor Heller.
(05:53):
Maybe you can put this in the correct clinical terms.
But I've had friend girls in the past. Oh, I
don't like him.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
He's boring. I'm like, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
You've dated all these losers who stand you up, who
cheat on you. They're drinkers, they do drugs, they're unemployed,
then they're employed. You know, they yell at your children.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You go up and down and up and down. You
finally get a decent guy and he's boring. Seriously, what
is that?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
When you are so addicted to the roller coaster of
an abusive or toxic relationship, You're so addicted when you
finally get a nice guy that works for a living,
comes home and takes you out to dinner, that's boring.
You don't want red lobster anymore. You want to go
have a fight in the parking lot.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
What is that?
Speaker 7 (06:48):
Well, first of all, that kind of person also has
an addiction, an addictive personality, and they crave a certain
stimuli in another person that gives them like a high,
and being close to another person like that is what
(07:10):
they crave and they want to control that person.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Did you think it's not necessarily a personality trait? But
they're conditioned to it. They're used to the highs and
the lows, and the roller coaster and the happiness when
he brings the roses, and the despair when he doesn't
show up overnight.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
You're like, wow, is he with a hooker?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I mean, when you're used to that and then you
have a somewhat normal relationship, that's boring. I don't know
that that would be a personality trait. It could be
just what.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
You're used to.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Like children that grow up in a violent home, they're
really not happy until they are in a violent home
themselves and that feels normal to them.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
Well, code dependency is a family disease, just like alcoholism,
and it starts in the family you grew up in.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeahs, you're hearing doctor Charles Heller and I haven't even
gotten into the facts yet.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
We have an all star panel with us.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
But I just had to go to doctor heller about
this woman the only fans model and no Charlie Langston,
editor of Female Femail at dailymail dot com. Charlie, how
is it He's did from multiple stablins on the floor
and she turns out to be the victim and threatens
(08:33):
to kill herself.
Speaker 8 (08:34):
Really, she is claiming that he was stabbed in self defense.
She claims that he grabbed her by the throat and
that she grabbed the knife to defend herself. However, I
should point out the cops who went to the apartment
and said that there was absolutely no evidence of any
injury on her body, So there is extreme doubt over
(08:59):
her claim that he grabbed her by the throat. If
he did that and left not a single mock, it
can't have been violent enough in my opinion, to warrant
a response with a knife.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Brad and Micklin is joining us, guys. He is a
very high profile lawyer joining us, Lead attorney, managing member
at the Micklan Law Group, joining us.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Out of New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
You can find him at Micklinlawgroup dot com. Brad, I
hate a lot of aspects regarding criminal defendants, but one
thing I really hate, and this is having defended battered
women for many, many years and work as a volunteer
for nearly ten years at the Batter Women's Center. I
hate when women aggressors, women bullies, women killers use the
(09:48):
batter women syndrome to their benefit when it's not true,
because people hear about it, and then when.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
They're sitting on a jury with a real battered woman,
they go, oh, this is bs. See what I mean.
Speaker 9 (10:02):
I agree, it's supposed to be a shield, a protection
battered women's syndrome, the domestic violence protection orders, but people
use it as a weapon, and then when the victim
is dead and can't defend himself, it's an easy defense
to use. I mean, your whole conversation with doctor Heller
before was implicitly saying Christian was to blame, that she
(10:25):
was addicted to his abuse, to his dependency, and we're
already talking about what did he do, what was his
role in this, without talking about the fact that she
stabbed them, and everything that was recorded and shown shows
that she goes from common to rage and nothing more.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
On the other hand, you really can't ignore the statistics
so typically overwhelmingly, like ninety plus percent of the time,
it is the male that is the aggressor. I can't
avoid that truth, and that's a truth we've got to
deal with.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
But speaking of Herbie, the vistas the.
Speaker 9 (10:58):
Truth unless you accept that stat well, I didn't start
to support anything.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well, I usually stay with the Department of Justice. And
should I believe you? Micquelin, are my lion eyes.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I know what I saw in court every day for
ten straight years plus. I know what I saw at
Grady Memorial Hospital where all the beat up women go.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
I know what I saw at the Battered.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Women's Center, night after night after night of battered women.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So you are my lion eyes. Let me think about that.
Speaker 9 (11:32):
Well, don't look. I tell you that women are often
significant victims of the mesk of violence, but that doesn't
negate the fact that justice. Many men are too. Just
more of them are.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I don't know what you're smoking, man, but I'm not
getting near it. So the claim that she is the victim.
Take listen now to our cut ten. This is our friends.
These are our friends at Fox seven and WPLG.
Speaker 10 (12:01):
Behind closed doors. We just started hearing some shouting, yelling.
We don't know who was starting what. We didn't get
a lot of contacts. Occasionally we would hear some glasses
break and some banging on.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
The walls, floors.
Speaker 10 (12:16):
Not sure you know who is doing it. I just
want people to know that it had been going on
for a long time and it definitely could have been stopped.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
When police reported that Obumseelli was fatally stabbed by Clannie
on Sunday inside their Miami apartment, the friends were left speechless.
They portray a very violent relationship at the hands of
only one person.
Speaker 11 (12:33):
We've seen her hit him. I've never seen him hit her.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
But regardless of what friends and neighbors insist to be true,
somehow the Only Fans model is being painted as the victim.
Take a listen to our friends at WPLG.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Her lawyers sent me this statement.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
It reads in part of them Celly attacked her and
choked her that evening. Courtney had no choice but to
meet force with force. In April and told Local ten
he had a clear view of the couple's apartment and
saw Clenty getting physically abused.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Trust me.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Bodycam video of the date of the so called OnlyFans
murder will be admitted into evidence in front of a jury.
That is, unless the state takes a cheap plea on
what should be a murder one charge. The bodycam video
is damning the defendant. Clenny, who uses the name Courtney
(13:41):
Taylor on her porn platforms like Instagram and only fans,
acknowledges she kills her boyfriend, but now says she acted
in self defense. Her defense attorney, Frank Prieto, insists the boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Was the abusive one. But that's not what friends and
family say.
Speaker 12 (14:05):
Listen to this, Talk to me what is going on?
Speaker 9 (14:18):
Like?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
What do you are you gonna get this out of me?
When I'm apologizing to you, but you're.
Speaker 13 (14:23):
Thinking I'm doing it. I'm not your Okay, I'm not
doing it on purpose. The right to tell me yes,
and I am so sorry. Shut up, you've done. Give
me my phone? You find it, shin, I'm sorry, I
(14:46):
don't care.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
That's not gonna help her claim that she's the victim.
To Charlie Langton joining us from dailymail dot Com, the
editor of Female What did I just hear? I heard
going we are going crazy on him, cursing at him,
ordering him around. She's saying something like you touched her.
The right thing to do is to tell me. She
(15:09):
is really letting him have it.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
He's going, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What was that all about?
Speaker 8 (15:13):
So what you were hearing? There was a recording that
Obam Celley himself made. It's one of multiple recordings of
moments when Clenny was abusive towards him. Some of the
other recordings are even more horrific. You can hear her
physically slapping him. You can hear her repeatedly calling him
(15:36):
the N word. She swears at him, she belittled him,
she bereats him.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Did you say call him the N word? Well, he's black,
she's white.
Speaker 8 (15:44):
I called him the N word on multiple occasions and
he recorded all of it.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, you're right, Charlie Langston.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
There are a lot of audiotapes and guess what we've
got them. This is reminding me of Johnny Depp versus
Am or Her, with not quite as much money involved.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Take a listen to this. Just don't.
Speaker 14 (16:09):
Yeh man, oh man, because I'm.
Speaker 11 (16:11):
Telling you I don't know your phone is.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Fine it do you help me find it?
Speaker 13 (16:26):
I man, man, your man.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Your man? Yeah a man?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah man, Okay, sadly you're gonna hear more.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Listen, I need to mind it because I have to
on my r down to go out. Now you don't
have to fold. Just please shut up, shut up, you
(17:07):
want to go, I didn't go to go about it.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Okay, put on your seabell because there's a lot more
joining me. Dan Corsantino, former police chief, former sheriff, served
on Home US Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board, now private investigator.
You can find him at Dankorsantino dot com. He seems
to know everything about every high profile case that I'm
(17:39):
interested in. Dan Corzantino murder very often we don't know
what led up to it. We don't know what's going
on behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
But what do you make of what you're hearing right now?
All this over a lost iPhone fight? Used buy my iPhone?
For Pete's sake? Why are they fighting over an iphon phone?
To this degree? What's happening? And he is upstabed.
Speaker 15 (18:04):
Dead well to me, obviously, it's a very dysfunctional relationship
to say the very minimum. But as you take a
look at the pattern of behavior with a miss Clinnie
in this situation, it appears that she and I hate
to use the terminology as a spoiled little brat but
(18:25):
it appears that she is a young woman who is
wants to be controlling, demanding in the situation, and if
she's not getting her way, she escalates her behavior. And obviously,
not being a psychologist, but being a cop, one of
the things you look for upon entering a situation is
(18:48):
the demeanor of the individuals or individual that is in
the house. And in this case, she may have fooled
some people, were attempted to fool some people because you know,
she was an normally fans model. She was acting and
she's a very good actress.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I'm trying to absorb everything that you just said because
there are parts of that there. It's very profound as
it relates to the probative nature of Clinny's personality.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Charlie Langston, what about it? Did you hear what Corsantino
just said?
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I did?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
And did you see.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That picture Charlie Charlie Langston joining us from daily mail
dot Com of her sitting on the balcony covered in blood,
but somehow she manages to have her left breast hanging out.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I police get there, okay, and the dog.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Nobody's commented on that, but I mean there it is
and the dog is sitting there just looking her like,
what did you just do?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Do you see this?
Speaker 8 (19:54):
I did, and I think it's in.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Your article, Charlie Man. I'm looking right at it.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
And it I mean, it's unbelievably shocking, and I.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Think, I mean, the cops are coming, so hey, just
take your breast out.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Well, and I think you know, the image that was portrayed,
whether or not it was constructed or real, is an
image of someone who is trying to look in a
state of emotional distress, because that is one of the
things that she has claimed that there is no way
(20:27):
she could be responsible. There's no way that she could
have intended to kill him because she was in such
a state of emotional distress when cops arrived. That's not
someone who intended to kill someone.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Or is someone that killed their boyfriend in an angry
Brady fit. He couldn't be Yeah, couldn't get the empts
there fast enough to save his life.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Neither she cared. Nos, the cops are there, so she
takes her breast out.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I don't know what effect that's going to have on
a female cop running up what fifteen.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Flights of stairs, But that said, there it is.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
That's something for the jury to mul joining me Doctor
Todd M. Barr, board certified anatomic Clinical forensic Pathologists joining
us out of Ohio. Featured in Thin Places Essays from
in Between and you can find them on Twitter at
Todd Barr MA. That stands for Medical Examiner doctor Barr.
(21:22):
What do you make of this copious amount of blood
from a stab to the shoulder?
Speaker 14 (21:29):
Well, yeah, Nancy, I'm looking at the crime scene photos and.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Rich crime scene photos of her on the balcony with
her breast hanging out.
Speaker 14 (21:37):
Well there's that, but I'm that too. The picture of
the knife on the floor with the blood spatter all
over the walls and all over the floor, clearly an
artery with hits. That's a lot of blood spatter and
coming from an artery which is under great pressure.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And the fact you know which artery the carotid, Well.
Speaker 14 (22:02):
If he was stabbed shoulder, yeah, it's probably the subclavian
artery of the brake deal artery. One of the words, Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Okay, wait a minute, I'm just a JD. You're the MD.
Speaker 9 (22:11):
The what.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
We only we typically hear of the carotid in the
net or the femeral in the leg. What are the
ones you just said break you'll that means arm right exactly.
Speaker 14 (22:22):
And subclavian is what comes off of the order that
feeds the blood to the shoulder area to the break.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
You'll subclavian now clavicle is this right?
Speaker 14 (22:32):
Uh? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Okay, Jackie, Doctor Jackie saying yes, So sub means below
that there's an artery there and the brak you'll artery
in your arm, correct.
Speaker 14 (22:42):
Yeah, So all of those blood vessels and all the
nerves that feed the arm, everything sort of come together
right through and they sort of traverse down through the
armpit and down into the arm area. But this is
from something that was arterial in nature as far as
I can tell from the pictures I'm looking at.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
When you say it that way, it sounds like you're
dissecting a bug arterial in nature.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
You mean she stabbed him in an artery? Is that
what that means?
Speaker 14 (23:12):
Yeah, that's exactly what that means.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Artery is more like have you ever driven by a
fire hidge and just see the words shooting out?
Speaker 14 (23:20):
Exactly, that's our tear.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
That's a stab in the artery.
Speaker 14 (23:23):
That's exactly right. It's under intense high pressure. Every time
the heart contracts, it's forcing that blood into those arteries.
So and the heart is just a solid muscle, so
every time it squeezes, it's going to shoot that blood out.
In fact, veins are under very low pressure because they're
just sort of returning the blood back to the heart,
(23:44):
so it's sort of a passive movement of blood in
the in the venus system. But arterial blood is under
high pressure.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Haven't I told you you need to do an audio book.
You may just talk about cases and explain it because
that it's incredibly interesting just in the way you explain
it makes so much sense. I mean, Charlie Langson, now
let's take what doctor Todd M barr has said and
apply it to this situation. And he goes right back
(24:13):
to that picture of her and her one breast hanging
out on the balcony, and she's totally it's so bloody.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
It looks like a Halloween costume. It does.
Speaker 8 (24:21):
It's it's goriyan graphic.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Okay, now we're back back to the actual crime we
were talking about. I was playing for you audio. Well, okay,
they're not over yet. Take a listen to this.
Speaker 13 (24:36):
I was going on a bike ride, just gonna make
you act like this.
Speaker 15 (24:47):
Corney.
Speaker 13 (24:48):
I was on the bike ride and she passed me
and I said, Hi, you and Courney are having a
life chat my bed. I forgot to tell you that
that doesn't make you to act.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
In com yes, thinking yeah, operated.
Speaker 16 (25:21):
One, ma'am, listen to me.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
You need to stop.
Speaker 15 (25:26):
Stilling on the line and give me the address.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
One taking my arm, one on one in my arm,
what man, but my brid ma'am, what is the address?
What's one.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Northeast?
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Please do come to my head.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
You're hearing at the beginning more screaming, and you also
hear Courtney Clinny slapping him Christian open selly, and the
whole thing is on audio, which begs the question why
was he videoing or taping the argument?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
And then you hear.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
The star of the whole trial, her nine one one call,
screaming again, and.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
The dispatch says, you got to stop.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Screaming and tell me your address, and you can hear
probably some of the last words ever spoken by Christian,
and he is saying, I'm dying. I can't fill my arm.
I'm gonna die. I want to ask you, Charlie Lankson.
We endured together the Johnny Depp amber her trial, and
(26:46):
people kept.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Saying, why would she.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Was she starting an argument with him and then videoing
him or videoing him drunk, or videoing him drunken passed
out with ice cream melting in his lap?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Why?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I mean, if my husband was in a bad way
and he was passed out with ice cream or food
all over him, I wouldn't video it. So in this case, however,
why is he Christian o'mselli audio taping the argument where
she's physically attacking him because some woman rode by him
(27:20):
on a bike and said hi to me.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
The fact that he was recording her is evidence that
their relationship had been abusive for a very long time.
There's also other evidence to.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Back that up.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
You've got neighbors talking about smashing things. She had been
arrested previously for domestic violence, and I think he knew
that the face that she was showing to the world
was a very different face than the one that he
saw behind the scenes, and he knew that in order
to protect himself, he needed to make these recordings so
(27:53):
that he would have evidence if he ever got into
a situation where she tried to flip the script and
say that he had been a youth. And the devastating
thing is these recordings will now serve as evidence, but
not to protect him. They will serve as evidence in
a murder trial.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Welcome Back, everybody and only fans model now charged with
murder in the brutal stabbing death of her boyfriend. The
so called model also told investigators the boyfriend pushed her
and threw her to the floor, that she then grabbed
(28:46):
a knife and threw it at the victim from about
ten feet away, but the medical examiner says, uh, no way.
The emmy that performed the autopsy says the victims wounds
could not have been caused by a knife thrown from
that distance. The body of victim Christian and Buselli taken
(29:11):
from the Miami apartment directly to the medical Examiner's office.
Released nine one one. Audio following the brutal stabbing reveals
the suspect telling her lover baby, I'm so sorry. This
is right after she plunges the knife into his body. Now,
she didn't tell nine one one she stabbed the boyfriend,
(29:33):
but she sobbed and sobbed to him about how quote
sorry she was. In the background, you can actually hear
twenty seven year old Christian crying, I can't feel my arm.
I don't know how the jury's going to stand seeing
and hearing this that day turns deadly. It tells me
(29:56):
he was abuse so often he finally started recording it.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
These people were addicted to each other. She was really inappropriate,
and she was very jealous. Anytime he looked at someone,
she probably would have a fit, a bad one.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
You know, I don't get that.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
You know when my husband go jogging for a walk
and a woman goes by and he glances over, and
I'm like, good, I'm glad to say, you're still alive, David,
keep going excuse your blood still pumping through your veins.
I wouldn't think of yelling and beating him because he
spoke to some lady.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Just it's so twisted up.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
But to you, Brad Micklin, high profile lawyer at the
Micklin Law Group, this is exactly what leads up something
as stupid as saying hi to a woman going by
on a bike to murder.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It's insane.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
It is insane, and we keep having this conversation about
him being addicted to her or the relationship being abusive. No,
she was abusive. She stabbed them. And I think Christian
was recorded as because he knew or feared that she
would call the police one day, say he was committing
domestic violence. He would be arrested for it, and him,
(31:13):
being bigger and stronger, would have no defense. So we
start to record it to defend himself, which unfortunately he
can't do any longer. And I hope that they're used
in a criminal trial to show just.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
How violent she was.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Okay, guys, uh, her claim that.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
She's the victim, Well, this is not going to help.
This is body cam footage and you know what that means.
That means the cops have arrived. This was a previous event.
Speaker 11 (31:38):
Listen, yes, yes, why do you.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Stop?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
It's everybody talking on top of each other. But we
hear her and this is to a cup. I do
not advise speaking down to or being belligerent to a cup.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
No, what's happening there, Charlie Langston.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
So this was recorded the day before Albam Sully was
stabbed and the cops were called to her apartment building.
She claims that she had thrown Abam Selly out of
their apartment the week before that they had broken up,
and she accused him of stalking her, and she demanded
that the cops give her a restraining order. The interesting
(32:50):
thing is you can hear her in one recording telling
the cops I need a restraining order before he gets one,
which suggests to me that she knew that he had
a full claim to accuse her of the same kind
of abuse that she was attempting to accuse him off.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh there you go, dueling with training orders. But the
thing here is she's claiming he's stalking her.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Other reports are he was trying to just get back
in the apartment where they both lived. Well there's more. Uh,
you know this should be assigned to her defense attorney.
Don't let her on the stand. Take a listen to
this more body cam footage.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I see in my apartment all day.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
I didn't take my dog's house for like eight hours because.
Speaker 11 (33:34):
I was afraid that when I came down here. Do
you know I didn't do I want the dogs?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
You wouldn't you just want to get Do you have
any property in your apartment?
Speaker 15 (33:46):
House?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Kiss so much to his respect. I just I just
feel like I'm not being heard.
Speaker 11 (33:54):
So I had a lot of opportunities.
Speaker 10 (33:57):
And I did not.
Speaker 11 (33:59):
So when I when he's following around his hols hurt,
I said, there is no your time is out.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
There like that, my dad's there, and I.
Speaker 15 (34:11):
Said a shelter when I.
Speaker 11 (34:16):
Was show reverse and I shoved and I said, show
me like. I really got angry because I did not.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I only did to see my dogs.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Okay, So basically she's saying I was afraid I want
to take my dogs out, but I couldn't. But it
sounds like she actually did and that he got on
the elevator. And her complaint is he quote smells like
a homeless shelter. Okay, so she stabbed him.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
There's more. Listen.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
This is what Charlie Langston was telling us. She wants
to get a restraining order against him before he can
do it.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
To her, listener, I'm feeling alright, So what do you
what do you?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
What do you want?
Speaker 11 (35:00):
I just want to I want to be like I'm
trying to be like like anything wrong, and I want him.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I want a restraining order against Christianity's So I'm very important.
Can I do that? Can I make myself first, because
I know him and you would do it.
Speaker 11 (35:20):
How can I mean myself first?
Speaker 9 (35:22):
You got to get there first, persons.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
It's the only way, the only idea. We don't even
know how it looks like, you know who it is.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
How do we know that?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Oh my goodness, Okay, Charlie Lyson more of the same.
But here we hear her stating that she wants to
get him before he gets her.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
What more do you believe is revealed in these tapes?
Speaker 8 (35:46):
I mean, I think there are so many different recordings
that focus on her abusive, erratic behavior, and it just
proves that the dynamic in the relationship was large from
what we hear her berating and abusing him. As we
heard earlier, friends of the couple stated very clearly that
(36:08):
they saw Clennie hit Obamselly, they never saw the violence
being returned. We also had video footage from inside the
elevator of their apartment building months before Abbamselly was stabbed,
but showed Clennie beating him, pulling his hair, and all
he does is cover away an attempt to defend himself.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
To Dan Corsentino, joining US Foreign Police Chief Sheriff, US
Online Security Advisor private investigator at Dan Corsentino dot Com.
Elevator video, it really came to the forefront in the
Rice case where you see him and this is a
professional football player dragging the victim, a female victim by
(36:55):
her hair, out of the elevator. And then of course
there was the famous or should I say infamous Beyonce
video where you see.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Her sister lie into.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Beyonce's husband jay Z like there's no tomorrow and I
guarantee you.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Going out on a limb here.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
He deserved it because she just stood there like mm
hmmm while her sister was beating him up. Elevator footage,
nobody can suppress it. It's in a public place, so
it's fair game, and the elevator footage in this case
is damning for her.
Speaker 15 (37:35):
Absolutely. In this case, she is demonstrative, she's aggressive, she
is violent, and she's attacking. Then what we see, let's
compare the size of the two. She appears to be
about five foot two. He appears to be at least
five to ten, maybe a little bit taller, somewhat buff,
(37:55):
but very good shape, and he was on the defensive.
In this case. An elevator video is very clear that
she is a violent offender that attacked him, and he
was trying to protect himself from everything she was attempting
to do. Strike him in the head, strike him in
the chest, strike him in the arm. Very very definitive.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Doctor Charles Heller joining us, a clinical forensic psychologist.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Why is it so hard for people to.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Believe that a man can be the victim and domestic violence?
Speaker 16 (38:28):
Well, it goes against the stereotypes basically, but he could
not leave her even though she was violent with him, jealous,
making up imaginary.
Speaker 7 (38:40):
Things about him, And that's codependency, that's dual addiction. And
what happens is basically, it's so strong, the bond is
so strong, and in metaphor metaphoric terms, the pegs in
his head matched exis actually the holes in her head.
(39:02):
They were bonded so tightly together that they couldn't extricate themselves.
He couldn't leave her and she couldn't leave him.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
You know, the officers really hit the nail on the head.
Take a listen to our friends at WPLG are cut
thirty four.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Also informing her that she's not being clear on what
she wants.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
You want this person to completely disappear.
Speaker 9 (39:25):
From your life.
Speaker 8 (39:26):
At the same time, you have n't in your apartment
here for two months without ton.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Of stuff in here, I know.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Clinny goes back to her apartment. Officers then go to
the employee who made the original call, telling him she
never disclosed that there was violence that particular night.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
That's that's my one right.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
But she didn't mention none of that until she says
she wants to do something about it, so we can
get so we can so we that's where we step
in and where it's a criminal activity.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
But she needs to mention something about that.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
Okay.
Speaker 14 (39:56):
Unfortunately we can't do anything.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
So she calls cops over there, but then doesn't do
doesn't go forward with any type of action. Brad Micklin
with me, high profile lawyer out of New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Brad, where do you believe this whole thing will end?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And you apparently firmly believe men can be the victims
of domestic violence.
Speaker 9 (40:18):
Men are the victims of domestic violence. Just like doctor
Heller said, they are stereotypically afraid to call and report it.
I mean, can you imagine if Christian had picked up
the phone and said, my little girlfriend Courtney is beating
me up, I need a restraining order. He would have
been laughed at. But this case from a criminal standpoint,
really hinges on whether or not these audios and the
(40:40):
video of the elevator get in or not, because they
are so prejudicial that there is some chance that they
that they roll, that they can't be used against her,
and that I think is going to turn in this case.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
He's tuning up and I expect to hear the full
symphony at trial. Charlie Langston, Dailymail dot Com.
Speaker 8 (40:57):
What's next, Well, now we wait for how to go
on trial. She's currently in custody waiting the start of
her trial, and it will be very interesting to see
whether or not she is put on the stand, because
if her behavior that we've heard in these recordings is
anything to go by, she's not going to be a
solid or reliable witness. She's proven herself to be incredibly erratic,
(41:22):
as you said, Nancy, belligerent towards authority figures, and I
don't know whether what she's potentially going to say on
the stand will help her.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
And happier times, the two look so full of joy,
But prosecutors say Christian's death was the culmination of a
tempestuous and combative relationship, and from what we're learning, it's
largely due to her Now, Clinty was arrested in Hawaii
(41:51):
back in August and is a waiting trial. She planed
not guilty to a new charge of interception of wire
communications related to the murder. This new charge stems from
a bombshell revelation that her parents, Kim and Deborah Clinny,
were arrested in connection with the murder. Kim Clinty accused
(42:15):
of taking the boyfriend Crypto Trader's computer from the murder
scene in Miami after it was missed by investigators. He
then allegedly accessed it with a password supplied by his daughter,
and according to arrest warrants, detectors recovered text messages where
the parents discuss trying to get access to Christian's computer. Now,
(42:41):
the dad reportedly hinted the computer over to the defense
team after finding nothing on it but a crypto exchange.
That's according to TMZ, but he was arrested along with
his wife for evidence tampering. The Only Fans Model Court.
Clinney has a long history of domestic battery back in Vegas,
(43:08):
and police recall to the couple's home in Austin, Texas,
on several occasions as well, we wait as just as
unfalse goodbye friend,
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