After Sherri Papini, a young mom and wife, pleads guilty to making false statements and one count of mail fraud in connection with lying about being kidnapped in 2016, she recently came forward to switch her story once again denying she was ever held captive
Sherri Papini went to jail after admitting her alleged 2016 kidnapping was a hoax, but after her release, she’s giving a different explanation now to why she should be viewed as innocent of those charges. Sherri Papini gained worldwide attention in 2016 when she went missing for 22 days after she is abducted while out on a jog near her home just north of Redding California. Sherri is reported missing on January 2022 by her husband Keith, after she was reported going for a jog in her neighborhood.
California young mom makes headlines in 2016 when she goes missing while on a jog near her Redding, California, home and her ever changing stories haven't stopped since. First big development is when she shockingly is rescued on a road 22 days after her alleged abduction, Thanksgiving Day. The young mom is rescued after being seen running down a highway in distress. She isd arrested for falsely telling authorities she had been abducted and tortured, claiming she was beaten and branded by captors.
Ultimately, the mother of two is ultimately arrested in 2022 for orchestrating her own abduction. She pleads guilty to a federal judge later that year and is sentenced to 18 months in jail for committing mail fraud and lying to a federal officer about being kidnapped. Sherri Papini admits to lying about being kidnapped in 2016 but now claims she did not lie about being held captive in the new docuseries Sherri Papini: Caught in the Lie.
Earlier this year, Investigation Discovery’s Caught in the Lie featuring Sherri Panini, illustrates claims by Papini that James Reyes is allegedly responsible for her kidnapping. Reyes disputes the allegations when interviewed by government officials and is never officially charged in connection to her kidnapping.
Joining Nancy Grace today,
- Darryl Cohen - Former Assistant District Attorney (Fulton County, Georgia) Former Assistant State Attorney (Florida), Defense Attorney, Cohen, Cooper, Estep, & Allen, CCEAlaw.com, Facebook: "Darryl B Cohen", Twitter: @DarrylBCohen
- Dr. Stephen M. Diggs - Sherri Papini’s therapist, California licensed psychologist, Owner / Director of NYSA Therapy, Author of “Secondhand Girl: From Foster Care to Borderline Personality to Peace”, website: nysatherapy.com
- Sheriff Michael Johnson - Sheriff of Shasta County, his department investigated the “original” Sherri Papini case
- Traci Brown - Body language expert, Author: “How to Detect Lies, Fraud and Identity Theft”, www.BodyLanguageTrainer.com, Twitter: @Tracibrown37
- Kelli Saam - Anchor at Action News Now, the CBS and NBC affiliate in Redding, CA, website: actionnewsnow.com, X: @KelliSaam, Instagram and Facebook: @KelliSaamNews
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the original Gone Girl, the
super Mom. Remember Sherry Peppini, who said she was kidnapped
by three Hispanic individuals that beat her, knocked out her teeth,
broke her nose, starved her.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And branded her well tonight.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
In a bizarre u turn, she now claims she really
was kidnapped, despite serving jail time for her elaborate hopes
so she could go snug up with the next boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Thought anyone want to work to see what you reporting.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I saw a person on the side of the road
waving a shirt and I'm getting there in trouble, and.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I'm wanting you or I stop rating all the great
way by a line email.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
There's a lady on the Feather Road and meeting Hall.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That lady is a liar, and that liar is the
original Gone Girl, Sherry Peppini. It all starts right here
with a nine one one call.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Listen sure, Yeah, So I just got home from work
and uh, my wife wasn't there, which is unusual, and
my kids should have been there by now from like daycare.
So I was like oh, maybe she went on a walk.
I couldn't find her, so I called the daycare to
see what time she picked up the kids. The kids
were never picked up.
Speaker 7 (01:41):
So I got freaked out.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
So I hit like to find my phone app thing
and it said that her. It showed her phone like
at our end of our driveway.
Speaker 7 (01:48):
We don't have really good service.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Okay, not the end of our driveway, at the end
of our street, but just drove down there and I
saw her phone with their headphones because she started running again.
And it's her down on her phone and it's got
like hair ripped out of it, like in the headphones.
So I'm like totally freaking out, thinking like somebody like,
what's her grabber?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I will never forget when Chery Peppini, so called super Mom,
a very loving mom, seemingly vanishes into thin air, someone
apparently snatching her off the street near her home as
she goes jogging. Her husband distraught, it was a nightmare.
(02:29):
Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
what we know now as Cherri Peppini, the original Gone Girl,
takes a bizarre U turn. Now this is after she
does jail time for pulling off the hoax of the
century that she had really been kidnapped, when actually she
was snugged up with her boyfriend the whole time. Now
(02:49):
she says, Okay, erase, erase, Jurassic Erase. I really was kidnapped,
and I pled to lying because I was pressed too.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I can't wait to hear this joining me.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Sheriff Michael Johnson, superstar in the law enforcement community, Sheriff
Shasta County. That department originally investigated the original Sharry Peppinie case. Okay,
Sheriff Johnson, your department faced with a missing mom snatched
in broad daylight at the beginning, what did law enforcement think?
Speaker 8 (03:26):
Yeah, well, at first, everybody took it very seriously. We thought, yeah,
we had a missing girl. And just for clarification, Nancy,
I inherited this mess. I came into it, and I
call it my favorite waste of time, because that's all
Sherry did with anybody, was waste everybody's time. We get
the report of and you heard the nine one one
of a woman missing and suspicious circumstances. But right from
(03:50):
the beginning, the headphones and the phone that you hear
about this laying on the ground with hair tangled, and
it was kind of coiled neatly and so side. It
didn't look at all like an abduction as is reported.
But nevertheless, everybody took it very seriously and allocated a
whole lot of time, a whole lot of effort. Allied agencies,
(04:13):
every public safety, search and rescue, everybody got involved in
the beginning to find this missing woman.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
You know, Sheriff Johnson, at the very beginning, I said
the same thing about her phone. I've handled a lot
of investigations, prosecutions, and then covered cases as well. Just
for instance, Maggie Murdog, you know Alex Murdog, the South
Carolina lawyer that murdered his wife and son. Her phone
was thrown out of a car window and found on the.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Side of the road in the weeds.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
And it struck me the dichotomy of Shery Papinie's hair
being found in the wires of the earpiece like it
had been snatched out, but yet it was all coiled
up and set away, so it wouldn't be run over.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Now, if that jild had really been snatched away.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
From her, it would have been thrown somewhere and probably
run over in the middle of the road.
Speaker 8 (05:02):
Yeah, absolutely, or ditched or he would have broken, thrown
in the water or something to get rid of it.
He wouldn't just leave it there, and it definitely wouldn't
have been in the condition it was. Obviously we know
that now. But yeah, from the beginning, things were not
adding up. And that is a person Johnson.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I don't want to disbelieve what a victim says, because
victims in our country are so often maligned that I
thought there must be some innocent explanation as to how
that phone was found neatly tucked away. But that said,
this is what the then sheriff had to say, Tomasinka.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Listen.
Speaker 9 (05:38):
Last night, at about ten minutes to six pm, Keith
Peppeni reported his wife, Sherry, as a missing person with
suspicious circumstances. When he returned home, he found that his
wife was not home and the children had not been
picked up from their daycare.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
The reading record searchlight and the search was on to
Kelly som joining US anchor Action News Now, the CBS
and NBC affiliate in reading, Kelly, thank you for being
with us. Tell me about the massive search. Now you
heard Sheriff Johnson describing it as his favorite waste of
(06:21):
time but let me throw a technical legal term at you.
There was a crap ton of man hours, money, resources,
and emotion poured in to the search for Sherry Peppini.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Describe.
Speaker 10 (06:40):
So we get a lot of missing person reports in
the newsroom, but people have a right to disappear if
they want, and this one quickly took on a life
of its own. We were getting inundated with friends and
family members setting us all these pictures you're showing on
the screen, and it really painted a compelling tale. Within
the first day, it wasn't just law enforcement. There was
(07:01):
this uprising of community concern, Strangers volunteering their time to
go search for Sherry Peppini, a woman they never met,
because it seemed so unusual, according to the story being
shared by her loved ones, for her to disappear like
this without a trace. So it really did take on
a life of its own. It was within hours, all
(07:23):
over social media, people sharing and sharing, and that's why
it became a national story so quickly.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, very very curious, Kelly. She was ultimately sound, she
was found, how did she re emerge after she was kidnapped?
And what was her story?
Speaker 10 (07:42):
So it was twenty two days later Thanksgiving morning, I
do the early morning news. So as we were wrapping
up our show, we were getting the word that in
the pre dawn hours, she had been found along Interstate five,
about one hundred and fifty miles south of Reading. She
was almost darting into traffic, waving frantically to get driver's attention.
(08:05):
She had a chain around her waist, she had zip
tized around her wrist. She looked like she's been battered
and bruised. She had rashes on her arm and legs,
and she had been branded. She actually there's some photos
where they show her lifting up her shirt and you
can see the brand. These are the first photos of
(08:26):
her being branded at that time, we thought by her captor.
And so it was this dramatic story unfolding, and it
was unfolding on Thanksgiving morning when the entire community had
gathered to release balloons, yellow balloons in honor of Sherry
Peppini as a signal to the heavens, we're looking for
your Sherry.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And then it seemed like Pat, how I just got
to stop you, Kelly. Let me let this just marinate
for a moment.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
The community had gathered to release balloonans to Heaven in
a request like a direct balloon Ograham.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
To God plays up was fine, Sherry.
Speaker 10 (09:06):
This is correct.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It happened.
Speaker 10 (09:08):
There was a turkey trot that morning, and in conjunction
with that, people were going to use the opportunity to
release balloons. Now, the first sign that she had been
found with the family did not show up for the
balloon release that they had organized. The closest family members, Keith,
did not show up, and so behind the scenes there
(09:28):
were a lot of phone calls happening again early morning
hours four three am that she had been found, and
then we would get the news confirmed later that day.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I mean, haul John Kelly, I got to go to
Shriff Michael Johnson a balloon release, really really.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Begging, pleading with God.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And the whole time she's snugged up at our ex
boyfriend's place.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
The balloon release, I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean, the point is, I'm not mocking a balloon release.
I've done balloon releases. I've gathered and had prayer circles
and prayed for someone to be found. We recently did
one for Susanne. More few that somehow there would be justice.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
In that case, that the truth would come out whatever
that may be.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And I believe in prayer, but that she would manipulate
the community, law enforcement and her family, her children, Oh
my stars thinking Mommy's gone and may never come home.
A balloon release my rear end. I mean, when you
(10:38):
look back and you think about what all everyone went through,
the blood, the sweat, the tears to find this woman
who then tried to blame some She says, three unknown Hispanics.
What if there had been an arrest of people that
matched her pretty accurate description.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
She gave a detailed description.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
What if someone had actually been and arrested for Pete's sake?
Speaker 8 (11:02):
Well, as a matter of fact, the officers from various
agencies were pulling over vehicles and anybody that remotely matched
the descriptions and the suspects that she alleged had kidnapped her.
Because we're looking for clues and we're looking for suspects,
and we're trying to do our job, and it's all
(11:22):
this hoax and painted picture by a self serving and
narcissistic personality that just doesn't care, only cares about herself.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So in the bottom line, Sheriff Johnson, what was her story?
Who does she claim kidnapped her, starved her, beat her,
broke her nose, and branded her with a hot branding iron.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
Who did she blame, Well, she's blaming her boyfriend now,
But who did she blame before a company?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Oh no, no, I don't mean this iteration, Sheriff. I mean
the old kidnappers. Oh, there they are.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Who did she blame the get go, Sheriff Johnson?
Speaker 8 (12:00):
Who she blamed those Hispanic women that kidnapped her? And
she'd been held captive by a third person, and she
was making it up as she went, and it, just
as you heard, it became a community interest story in
a nationwide interest story because of the circumstances involved, and
(12:21):
it just became this perfect storm of lies. And once
we got her back, once she was found, which was
her getting dropped off on the side of the road
and continuing her hopes. Once we started that investigation, we
had her and interviewed her, we knew that she had
fabricated this.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
We had.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
The problem was you have to build the case and
make absolutely sure that you have all the evidence before
you come out and tell the public that she's in
fact a liar. And in that meantime, she's out there
meeting with other families. We have an unsolved case of
a young girl who went missing and ready years ago.
(13:01):
She went and met with that family and tried to
sympathize with them and tell them how much they had
in common and how she had been abducted as well
as just her her narcissism just is sickening.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
She went to another kidnapped girls family and tried to
empathize with them.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
Yes, unsolved.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
She did not.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Get enough jail time for this. I'm just putting that
out there.
Speaker 9 (13:27):
We need to.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Rethink that now. Joining me is a special guest Doctor
Stephen M. Diggs, Cherry Pepenis Therapist. He is a licensed
psychologist and owner director of the NYSA Therapy. He's the
author of Secondhand Girl from Foster careacter Borderline Personality to Peace.
(13:49):
His website nysatherapy dot com.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Doctor Diggs, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 11 (13:58):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
You believe that your client, Sherry Pepini, was in fact kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I do bye who by James the boyfriend? The boyfriend?
Why well?
Speaker 11 (14:12):
Because even though Sheriff Johnson says she's narcissistic, I'm a
specialist in personality disorder and she is not narcissistic. She
has another condition which I've gone into at least in
other places. But the real question is what condition would
that be? She has self defeating personality disorder. Self defeating
(14:35):
personality disorder. Now the real question isn't.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Could it possibly be the I want attention from men,
various men, no matter what I have to do to
get it, and I have my life.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Fed to me on a silver spoon. Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I mean, didn't her family have issues with her violent
outbursts before any of this happened.
Speaker 11 (14:57):
The question shouldn't be Nancy, why do I believe Sherry?
The question should be why do I not believe James?
It is even simplussed to kind all of you to
believe James when there hasn't been enough scrutiny placed upon him.
And I can apply that scrutiny now, if you'd like
to help me do it.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
The original Gone Girl Sherry Peppini, After doing hard jail
time for a huge kidnap hoax, she now claims that
she is quote setting the record straight. Sherry Peppini is
setting the record straight on what really happened to her
and why she says the lie she told about being
kidnapped by two Hispanic women was really supposed to be
(15:39):
a tip for law enforcement as to the identity of
her real kidnapper, even though she admitted a law enforcement
her disappearance was a hoax she orchestrated. Peppini says, she
really was kidnapped, and she's the victim of two men,
the ex boyfriend who really abducted her and the ex
husband who emotionally abused her and made her miserable.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Let's try to make sense of what we know now.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
This is what I know, what she told police after
she was discovered in a chain and zip ties.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Let's go straight to her police interrogation.
Speaker 12 (16:18):
Listen, if you want Keith to.
Speaker 13 (16:19):
Leave, I'll ask Keith nicely to leave.
Speaker 12 (16:22):
If you don't want Keith to leave, then he can
sit oud of the stress and we'll move on to
the next stages. But I want to give you that
opportunity first.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Can you see those little wheels turning right there? They're
asking h because they're onto her line that three Hispanic
people did not kid two Hispanic women did not kidnap her.
There are two many inconsistencies. This is very, very wrong,
and unbeknownst to her at this time, they have already
interviewed and pollyed the boyfriend, who has never been charged
(17:03):
and is still not charged, and who cooperated. They've talked
to his brother, his mother, they have thoroughly examined the
scene and they know that she's lying. Okay, now they ask, hey,
do you want us to make your husband leave? Joining
me right now is a very special guest, a renowned
(17:26):
body language expert, author of How to Detect Li's Fraud
and Identity Theft at body languagetrader dot Com is Tracy Brown. Tracy,
I want you, doctor Diggs, doctor John Delatorre, another shrink
joining us in Darryl Cohen to watch her during her
(17:46):
police interview. Now, did you see the way she looked
at the investigator when he said you want your husband
to leave? That she looks at him and she's all
curled up.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Now, I'm going to save you.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
What happens for the next five to eight minutes where
she won't answer does she want them to leave? Should
I stay or should I go? Nobody can decide. Okay,
she doesn't say no, I want him here. This goes
on and on and on, but I want to hear
from you, Tracy, what you think about her body language.
Speaker 14 (18:14):
Whenever someone shrinks, they are not confident in what they're saying.
And so we see we see her lean over, she's
got her hand here on her chin. She's trying to
explain things that maybe didn't really happen. And so she
goes from being pretty still to all of a sudden
(18:35):
really animated and bringing this in.
Speaker 10 (18:40):
But then again we see her shrink, and so.
Speaker 14 (18:43):
Those dichotomies tell us, wait a minute, there's there's inconsistency
in her and in her thoughts, and it shows with
her body language.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
The cops leave, and then she and her husband whisper
furiously and.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
This goes on.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
But I could hear what they're saying, and she's saying,
I don't want them to find her. I don't want
them to find her. Who is her one of the
Hispanic women that kidnapped her, beat her and branded her
and broke her nose and starved her. Okay, now we're
going to hear, after furious whispering with her husband, how
(19:22):
shery Peppini doesn't want her kidnappers to be caught after
they beat her, branded her, broke her nose and starved her.
She doesn't want them caught because they don't exist.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Listen, I don't.
Speaker 10 (19:40):
Want them to find her.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
If you're how listening to me, because she seemed to.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Be life, what do you want.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I don't want her to get in trouble.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
She's not going to get in trouble.
Speaker 13 (19:53):
So the DNA came back to James Race, Indiana. It
was on you Belong jams.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Race, Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Daryl Cohen with me, veteran trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor
in the same office where I prosecuted Inner City Atlanta, Fulton, DA,
now private attorney at Cohen Cooper EASTEP and Allen.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
How do you think that husband's feeling about right now?
Speaker 15 (20:23):
Well now, and.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
They say, hey, the DNA like all over you is
your ex boyfriend not an Hispanic female and he's like truth, Bob.
Speaker 15 (20:33):
Well, so you can start with the fact this is
not Sherrie. Sherry maybe from the Four Seasons. This is
Sherry who may or may not be narcissistic, but she
is clearly liassisting. When you have all of that DNA
from an ex boyfriend, it didn't just get there, It
didn't fly in from the sky, and it didn't just arrive.
(20:54):
She cannot tell the truth, and because she can't, she lies.
And what happens when you lie You have to remember
what you said, and you have to be consistent. She
was not smart enough to keep her story simple. She
kept it complicated and confusing, and the more confusing she got,
the more she had to remember, and the more difficult
(21:17):
it was for her to be consistent. She is Shary
the liar who deserved much more incarceration time because of
the fact that she wasted law enforcement's time and effort
as she ruined the public. Because when people actually do
get kidnapped, we want the public to be good. We
(21:37):
want them to look for them. What we don't want
is someone like Sharry the Liar to ruin it for
the people who actually are honest victims.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
About the PolyGram to Sheriff Michael Johnson, who inherited this case.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Sheriff Johnson.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Sherry Peppini's private therapist, a renowned therapist, doctor Stephen M. Diggs,
states that she passed a Polly first I heard of it.
Did she pass a Polly?
Speaker 12 (22:18):
No?
Speaker 8 (22:19):
She got two questions right on a Polly that's it.
Two questions. That doesn't make her passing a polly. And
I got to go back to something else about you know,
I've always I always wondered how people can even still
sympathize with Sherry and believe her. And I just heard
the doctor that believes her. Actually James came up the
day before she went missing. So she went missing on
(22:42):
November tewod He came up November first, by her plan,
rented a car as she told him to, was supposed
to go missing that evening didn't work out. Plans didn't
work out. He spent the night in his car in
a parking lot and waited till the next day, till
they could orchestrate this plan. How you could say that
(23:03):
that she was actually kidnapped now and blame James and
and one other thing. I will agree with the doctor.
She definitely has a personality disorder. I don't know what
that technical disorder is, but I agree whether your prosecutor
a liar is the best the best one, I could say,
proven convicted liar, Doctor Diggs.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Did you know that fact that the boyfriend James, who
has never been charged with anything and fully cooperated along
with his brother and his mother and others that Shaw
saw Sherry.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Pepinie in his apartment.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Did you know he had come up the day before
and rented a car, pursue it to her request and
ended up staying overnight.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yes, to leave with her the next day.
Speaker 11 (23:49):
Well, I mean, what I believe is that she wanted
to have a hotel room or a parking lot and
then get back home as quick as quickly as possible,
But that the plan to go and leave for twenty
two days was his. She did not have that plan.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Well, then why the rental car?
Speaker 11 (24:08):
Well, because he wanted to get around in town, I suppose,
I mean, he needed a way to drive around.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
She told him to get the rental car.
Speaker 11 (24:17):
Perhaps I don't know about that detail.
Speaker 13 (24:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Well, I mean we're telling you they have evidence that
she told him to get a rental car and to
come under the day before.
Speaker 10 (24:26):
Right.
Speaker 11 (24:27):
Well, she is, she has been. She's doing better through therapy.
But she is a hardcore liar. That is true. What
I'm saying is it takes critical thinking her, folks, to
separate lying from abduction. Her crime was lying, But she
was abducted. And if you look at the film she
made her polygraph. Person says, both things can be true.
(24:49):
She can be lying and she could have been abducted.
They can be true.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Okay, yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I mean, doctor DELATOORI is joining me another amazing shrink,
and I mean that in a loving and caring way.
A psychologist mediator specializing in forensic psychology. I'm consultant to
Project Absence, which is a nonprofit to help find missing people.
Doctor Tellatory, thank you. I certainly think two things can
(25:20):
be true to seemingly inconsistent things. Hey, I know she's lying,
but be I don't think it's possible that she was
kidnapped based on the hard evidence.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
So the fact that she claims to have passed.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
A polygraph, and I know for a fact she did
not pass a polygraph, the fact that she told someone
to come ahead of time in a rental car, driving
almost one thousand miles round trip to get her and
take her away, there's got to be there's got to
be something in the DSM to describe this woman insane.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
It ain't okay, because.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
That's a defense under the law. She knew what she
was doing, deleatorill.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
She absolutely knew what she was doing.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I think there's an element of an impression management type presentation,
meaning there are some individuals who need to come across a.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Certain way to the world, to society, to the community.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Whoever, either as a hero or as a victim, these
individuals will say and do anything in order to keep
that kind of presentation going. I think there are elements
maybe of history on it, personality disorder, if we were
to really kind of boil down what exactly it is
that's going on. Uncomfortable in situations in which she's not
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the center of attention, shallow affects, there are a lot
of elements in which she's trying to control a narrative
in order to make herself seem like a victim. Now
with histrionic unfortunately, these people tend to be more suggestible,
where Sherry Kippini seems to come across as.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
More proactive and in telling whatever falsehood she thinks is
going to fit the situation that she finds herself in.
And that's where we get the two things can be
true at the same time, which is she's a liar
but believes that everything happened the way that she described it.
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A lot really only works at.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
The life in the delatory, which time the first time
when it was the fake Hispanic kidnappers, or this time
when it's a boyfriend. And did you notice Sheriff Michael Johnson,
who has clarified that she did not poss a past
a polygraph. Did you notice when you guys are getting
to go arrest, find and arrest to female Hispanic women,
(27:41):
She's like, wait, I don't want them arrested because they
let me go. They saved my life by letting me go. Translation,
that's all a big fat line. I don't want you
to find out.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
That's exactly what it was. Everybody knows it. And now suddenly,
because she's in a court battle and wants custody of
her kids, she's got a new story. And that's that's
all this is. Is she's looking for more attention. She
wants to win a case, she wants sympathy, she wants
some custody of her kids. And this is her next
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ditch effort to try to create more drama.
Speaker 12 (28:17):
Toil agreements, phone into the carbonsil agreements. We have everything
that says that he said, he.
Speaker 13 (28:26):
Told that's James product diseased.
Speaker 12 (28:29):
Nick, So everything you told us, so many truths in
this situation. The reason why you can describe the rooms
is because you stayed in the room in the dark
for hours, for days on end. The reason why you
lost so much weight is because you stopped eating. The
reason why you got a rash on your farm is
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because he cleaned his house.
Speaker 13 (28:52):
The reason why the brand is because.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
He went to the store and bought the brand mantols
and branded you.
Speaker 13 (28:58):
The reason why your nose is because of the hearts.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Wow to Kelly som joining US anchor Action News now
CBS and NBC affiliate in Redding.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
That's a lot of evidence.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
The rental agreement, the phone rental, the car rental, everything, DNA,
blonde hair.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
The works.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Now that brings to light the fact that Sherry Pepini
was using a burner phone and when she described the
home of the female Hispanic kidnappers, she actually described the
home of the boyfriend, James Rayis down.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
To a photo in his room of his dead brother.
Speaker 10 (29:41):
I think what the investigation revealed is she was able
to give the very detailed misrepresentation so they found believable,
but then later when you go to confirm them, they
don't match up with reality. Some of the other details
she shared with that she felt cold and where she
s as she was kept it rained almost every night.
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That there was a windy road and she felt like
she was being taken up in elevation. Is up into
the mountains. That does not describe the boyfriend's apartment in Coastamasa, California.
It did not rain every night. It was definitely not
cold there. So parts of the story were true, and
then parts of them were not. It was a very
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detailed lie. And in that interview where they confronted her
with the fact, they gave her an opportunity to say,
isn't he a problem with your husband, Keith Peppini, she said, no,
I love my husband. I don't want to leave him.
I'm a terrible person for community communicating with former boyfriends.
They gave her an opportunity to finger and point the
(30:45):
finger at James rage and she said, no, James loves me,
he's my friend. He wouldn't do anything like this. So
they were in essence bending over backwards, giving her an
opportunity to tell the story. She waited another five years
to tell.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
There's more but the fact that she was using a
burner phone shareff Michael Michael Johnson is with us. The
only people that I know that use burner phones are
dope dealers and felons. I mean, why do you need
a burner phone?
Speaker 8 (31:17):
Because you want to create distance, You don't want a
law enforcement to find you, you don't want other people
to find you. There's a number of reasons, right. Burner
phones are the tool of the trade for criminal activity,
and she's no different she. Let's not forget she's proven
convicted liar. The whole thing's a hoax.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Guys, there's more.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Listen to the interrogation and watch your body language and
how she reacts.
Speaker 13 (31:44):
I rented a car for a look and picked her up.
He passed the polygraph test.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Here.
Speaker 13 (31:51):
If that's not what happened, what did happen here?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
No, there's no.
Speaker 13 (31:58):
Way is change away. Ay d doesn't like his DNA
is his DNA was on me.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
There's no way.
Speaker 13 (32:08):
Robert saw you in the house while you were down there.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, the boyfriend, James Ray's brother, Robert saw Peppini in
the house and everything was fine. Nobody was being held
against their will. But that's her story. Now, in a
bizarre you turn the ultimate the original gone girl says, Okay, yes,
maybe I wasn't kidnapped by two Hispanic females and beaten starved,
(32:33):
but I was kidnapped by my old boyfriend. Crime Stories
with Nancy Grace, Okay, DEARYLD Cohen, another truth bomb is
dropped on the husband. You knows how she's looking down
(32:53):
and she won't look at the husband when they say, yeah,
your ex boyfriend's DNA is all over you.
Speaker 15 (32:59):
Woman, Oh, it's wonderful, Nancy. She is digging and digging.
She's not just using a little shovel, She's using a
ditch digger, because that is what she is doing. Piece
by piece by piece. She's putting the story together that
she cannot even fathom her husband, who apparently is a
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good person.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
And Tracy jumping off what Darryl Cohen is saying.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Do you notice how she won't she does her face
like this and won't even look at her husband when
the cops keep taking sheriffs keep talking about your ex boyfriend,
James Rayes, DNA is all over you.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
His brother saw you, his mother knew you were there.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I mean, she won't look at her husband, and she
just keeps saying, it's not him, it's not him.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
But guess what today, she says it is him.
Speaker 14 (33:45):
Well, there's that, And here's what I notice off of
that is there's no tears.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
She's not like she's trying to cry.
Speaker 14 (33:52):
But when people cry, they'll they'll poll at themselves, and
she's not doing any of that. But if you listen
to her tong that's where she's trying to go. So
sake tears right there.
Speaker 12 (34:05):
You used a burner phone to call another burner phone
for James to come and get you.
Speaker 13 (34:10):
You're saying, since you're married, you haven't called James.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
I have called James because earlier he is then you
had contacted James.
Speaker 13 (34:20):
As phone records. Story that you do, you did, the
phone's don't lie, the DNA doesn't my share. You can
go a couple of different directions.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Now his story, I've already told you lying to me
as a crime, So you walk out the story.
Speaker 13 (34:31):
We're telling lies and that's a crime.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I think we need any.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Later with me.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
In addition to our other incredible guest is Sherry Peppinie's psychologist,
her therapist, California psychologist at NYSA Therapy, doctor Stephen Diggs.
So is there a rational explanation from peppinie as to
why she was using a burner phone to call James
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Rays her phone?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Why did they both need burner phones?
Speaker 5 (35:03):
She was trying to have him to share with him,
That's what she says.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Then why did he need a burner phone?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Well, that's a hard question.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
To answer, but I think I have a pretty good
idea about why it could not be revealed that she
was snugged up with her ex boyfriend talking to other.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Guys that got me here?
Speaker 13 (35:34):
So are you what I aspect?
Speaker 12 (35:36):
Are you saying, how did how does some other people
get here what you got?
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Obviously you've heard questions, so you can read through some
of those. And I understand you've seen some of the photos,
so you know some of the investing. Yeah, but you
can also know as your reaction compared to her reaction.
Speaker 7 (35:59):
Yeah, no percent, That's what I'm saying from my side.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
But now now you're telling me, Okay, you guys go.
Speaker 13 (36:03):
Home elf whole.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I want her anywhere around my kids or around me
at all at this point.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Isn't it true Kelly Sam that after a previous incident
of cheating, that Sherry Peppini signed a post nup after
the marriage, stating that she would lose custody if she
cheated again, and that's why she couldn't admit that she
was at her ex boyfriend's plaicing covered in his DNA
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correct About.
Speaker 10 (36:31):
A year into their marriage, Keith had Sherry sign that
post nuptial agreement saying, if I catch you cheating again,
you're pretty much going to lose everything, and you're going
to lose the kids and the money. And that was
in the back of her mind, very very fearful of
losing her children, and so that's what prompted the false
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story coming back that No, I wasn't cheating, I wasn't communicating,
I was hiding these communications with burner phones so I
wouldn't be discovered and I wouldn't lose my children.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Okay, to doctor Stephen Diggs, were you aware of the
posting up that if she cheated again she would lose
custody of the children and all the money.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Yeah, she's a liar and the cheater, and she's got
self defeating personality disorder, and as the other psychologist said,
she's got history onic features too. These are all common
activities and people with that diagnosis.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Okay, you know to me, Doctor Delatory, that posting up
that she would lose the children and the money if
she cheated again.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
To me, that says it all.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
That explains why she has to say that she was
kidnapped by the ex boyfriend James Reyes, because if she
can prove she was kidnapped, that means she wasn't cheating,
and therefore she can get money and children.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Am I being clear, Doctor Delatory?
Speaker 7 (37:58):
Absolutely, it's a catalyst.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Right, So her husband already knew that this was a
behavior that she could likely do again, and once she
felt compelled to engage in that behavior right have the affair,
she knew that she was going to have to find
a way to skirt around this post nuptial agreement. I mean,
I can't see how the kidnapping could be legitimate, as
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then it's like she was legitimately kidnapped when she has
every reason to lie and has done so in order
to skirt around what is known going to be a consequence,
which is losing everything that she had ever won.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I don't understand what the end game is now, Sheriff
Michael Johnson with us, you and doctor Diggs know this
better than any of US Sheriff Johnson. Why the IDA
Discovery special. I guess to further perception that she, okay,
first of all, wasn't kidnapped, that she lied about that,
(38:58):
that she lied about the two Hispanic females kidnapping her
for what. They didn't molest her, they didn't get any money,
and then they just said, oh, yeah, you know what,
forget it. I'm just going to throw it out on
the street. That was a lie, she says. But now
she's saying that she lied again. She's now saying that
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she was kidnapped, although you see her and all these
confession tapes saying it wasn't him, it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Him, blah blah, blah blah. I mean, what's the end
game here?
Speaker 8 (39:29):
I think the end game it's just like doctor Delatry said,
this is her last stitch effort to try to get
custody of her kids, to try to get some sort
of stability, with monetary stability back in her life. And
probably because of her disorder and because of who she is,
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she's still starving for her attention and she wants to
be in the limelight and I can't. Yeah, I mean,
you've covered a lot of it. There's so much evidence
over evidence that she has lied and created this whole thing,
and she in fact did not get kidnapped that it's
just ridiculous to me that we're even talking about this
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because she's come up with a new life.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
What do you think is the strongest evidence a sheriff
that she was not kidnapped by the ex boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
In addition to what.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
His mother says, his brother says, they're both using burner phones.
And by the way, that was a nine hundred mile
round trip he took, okay just to get her.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Really is she worth that?
Speaker 15 (40:35):
In her direction?
Speaker 13 (40:36):
All right?
Speaker 2 (40:37):
But says she was in the car for four hundred
and fifty miles.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
She couldn't jump out or use one of her burner
phones to get away.
Speaker 8 (40:43):
Oh, they stopped at it. They stopped and let her
use the restroom on the way after she was picked
up on the way back to his place in Coast Amazon.
If she really wanted to get away and she was
really abducted and kidnapped, she had opportunity not to be
held by her captive at all, and there is I
don't know, when you say what's the most compelling evidence,
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I don't know. That there is one thing. It's a
conglomeration of all these facts put together that make such
a strong case, which is why she confessed, which is
why she did prison time, which is why she agreed
to restitution payments for the time and money she wasted
on everybody. Now, this is just another Sherry peppini lie.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I want you to hear something else, everybody, And of
course I'm no shrink. We can all agree on that.
I'm just a JD. But I want you to hear this.
Speaker 13 (41:35):
James said you.
Speaker 12 (41:36):
Had your job broking by him, and that's why I
came and got you, because you're an inducive relationship.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Too.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Darryl Cohen is joining me, longtime colleague. We prosecuted in
the same offs together. Darryl, you've met my husband David
many many times and the twins. When I see you
or talk to you, do I immediately say I love
my husband Nancy? And Shakespeare said me thinks thou doth
protest too much? Why does she keep saying.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I love my husband? Because she's busted with her ex boyfriend.
Speaker 16 (42:08):
Because she's been caught and she doesn't know what to do.
She's been so caught. No, when I run into you.
Your body language, the way you and your husband are together,
tells me everything. And I may not be a certified
body language expert, but I look at facial expressions, I
look at body language. I watch what's going on, and
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that tells me a lot. No, you don't overly say
oh I love my husband, but it's what you do
that makes it all worthwhile. It's how you do it.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Let's go to an expert. Tracy Brown Darryl Cohen hit
it on the head. What does that mean that she
keeps saying And that was just one tiny tidbit. I've
watched the whole thing at nauseum and she keeps saying
I love and trying to cry. But what does that
mean when you keep asserting that nobody asked her?
Speaker 14 (42:58):
That's exactly what I was going to say. Hey, nobody
asked her at all. And so this is what she
wants you to believe. At all times. Whenever anybody is
asking any kind of important question, you got to ask
yourself what do they want you to believe about them?
And that's in this case number one, that she loves
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her husband even though nobody asks, nobody probably cares. But
this tells us something about what she wants us to
believe about her relationship and how she operates in the world.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Sadly, Cherry Peppini cannot be prosecuted for lying to Discovery
ID or else she'd be facing another slew of charges.
Let's stop and remember an American hero officer Agian Lopez
White Mountain Apache PD shot in the line of duty,
leaving behind a grieving wife, Lushawna, and two children. American
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hero Officer Adrian Lopez. Nancy Gray signing off the abutment
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the original Gone Girl, the
super Mom. Remember Sherry Peppini, who said she was kidnapped
by three Hispanic individuals that beat her, knocked out her teeth,
broke her nose, starved her.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And branded her well tonight.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
In a bizarre u turn, she now claims she really
was kidnapped, despite serving jail time for her elaborate hopes
so she could go snug up with the next boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Thought anyone want to work to see what you reporting.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I saw a person on the side of the road
waving a shirt and I'm getting there in trouble, and.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
I'm wanting you or I stop rating all the great
way by a line email.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
There's a lady on the Feather Road and meeting Hall.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That lady is a liar, and that liar is the
original Gone Girl, Sherry Peppini. It all starts right here
with a nine one one call.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Listen sure, Yeah, So I just got home from work
and uh, my wife wasn't there, which is unusual, and
my kids should have been there by now from like daycare.
So I was like oh, maybe she went on a walk.
I couldn't find her, so I called the daycare to
see what time she picked up the kids. The kids
were never picked up.
Speaker 7 (01:41):
So I got freaked out.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
So I hit like to find my phone app thing
and it said that her. It showed her phone like
at our end of our driveway.
Speaker 7 (01:48):
We don't have really good service.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Okay, not the end of our driveway, at the end
of our street, but just drove down there and I
saw her phone with their headphones because she started running again.
And it's her down on her phone and it's got
like hair ripped out of it, like in the headphones.
So I'm like totally freaking out, thinking like somebody like,
what's her grabber?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I will never forget when Chery Peppini, so called super Mom,
a very loving mom, seemingly vanishes into thin air, someone
apparently snatching her off the street near her home as
she goes jogging. Her husband distraught, it was a nightmare.
(02:29):
Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
what we know now as Cherri Peppini, the original Gone Girl,
takes a bizarre U turn. Now this is after she
does jail time for pulling off the hoax of the
century that she had really been kidnapped, when actually she
was snugged up with her boyfriend the whole time. Now
(02:49):
she says, Okay, erase, erase, Jurassic Erase. I really was kidnapped,
and I pled to lying because I was pressed too.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I can't wait to hear this joining me.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Sheriff Michael Johnson, superstar in the law enforcement community, Sheriff
Shasta County. That department originally investigated the original Sharry Peppinie case. Okay,
Sheriff Johnson, your department faced with a missing mom snatched
in broad daylight at the beginning, what did law enforcement think?
Speaker 8 (03:26):
Yeah, well, at first, everybody took it very seriously. We thought, yeah,
we had a missing girl. And just for clarification, Nancy,
I inherited this mess. I came into it, and I
call it my favorite waste of time, because that's all
Sherry did with anybody, was waste everybody's time. We get
the report of and you heard the nine one one
of a woman missing and suspicious circumstances. But right from
(03:50):
the beginning, the headphones and the phone that you hear
about this laying on the ground with hair tangled, and
it was kind of coiled neatly and so side. It
didn't look at all like an abduction as is reported.
But nevertheless, everybody took it very seriously and allocated a
whole lot of time, a whole lot of effort. Allied agencies,
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every public safety, search and rescue, everybody got involved in
the beginning to find this missing woman.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
You know, Sheriff Johnson, at the very beginning, I said
the same thing about her phone. I've handled a lot
of investigations, prosecutions, and then covered cases as well. Just
for instance, Maggie Murdog, you know Alex Murdog, the South
Carolina lawyer that murdered his wife and son. Her phone
was thrown out of a car window and found on the.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Side of the road in the weeds.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
And it struck me the dichotomy of Shery Papinie's hair
being found in the wires of the earpiece like it
had been snatched out, but yet it was all coiled
up and set away, so it wouldn't be run over.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Now, if that jild had really been snatched away.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
From her, it would have been thrown somewhere and probably
run over in the middle of the road.
Speaker 8 (05:02):
Yeah, absolutely, or ditched or he would have broken, thrown
in the water or something to get rid of it.
He wouldn't just leave it there, and it definitely wouldn't
have been in the condition it was. Obviously we know
that now. But yeah, from the beginning, things were not
adding up. And that is a person Johnson.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I don't want to disbelieve what a victim says, because
victims in our country are so often maligned that I
thought there must be some innocent explanation as to how
that phone was found neatly tucked away. But that said,
this is what the then sheriff had to say, Tomasinka.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Listen.
Speaker 9 (05:38):
Last night, at about ten minutes to six pm, Keith
Peppeni reported his wife, Sherry, as a missing person with
suspicious circumstances. When he returned home, he found that his
wife was not home and the children had not been
picked up from their daycare.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
The reading record searchlight and the search was on to
Kelly som joining US anchor Action News Now, the CBS
and NBC affiliate in reading, Kelly, thank you for being
with us. Tell me about the massive search. Now you
heard Sheriff Johnson describing it as his favorite waste of
(06:21):
time but let me throw a technical legal term at you.
There was a crap ton of man hours, money, resources,
and emotion poured in to the search for Sherry Peppini.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Describe.
Speaker 10 (06:40):
So we get a lot of missing person reports in
the newsroom, but people have a right to disappear if
they want, and this one quickly took on a life
of its own. We were getting inundated with friends and
family members setting us all these pictures you're showing on
the screen, and it really painted a compelling tale. Within
the first day, it wasn't just law enforcement. There was
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this uprising of community concern, Strangers volunteering their time to
go search for Sherry Peppini, a woman they never met,
because it seemed so unusual, according to the story being
shared by her loved ones, for her to disappear like
this without a trace. So it really did take on
a life of its own. It was within hours, all
(07:23):
over social media, people sharing and sharing, and that's why
it became a national story so quickly.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, very very curious, Kelly. She was ultimately sound, she
was found, how did she re emerge after she was kidnapped?
And what was her story?
Speaker 10 (07:42):
So it was twenty two days later Thanksgiving morning, I
do the early morning news. So as we were wrapping
up our show, we were getting the word that in
the pre dawn hours, she had been found along Interstate five,
about one hundred and fifty miles south of Reading. She
was almost darting into traffic, waving frantically to get driver's attention.
(08:05):
She had a chain around her waist, she had zip
tized around her wrist. She looked like she's been battered
and bruised. She had rashes on her arm and legs,
and she had been branded. She actually there's some photos
where they show her lifting up her shirt and you
can see the brand. These are the first photos of
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her being branded at that time, we thought by her captor.
And so it was this dramatic story unfolding, and it
was unfolding on Thanksgiving morning when the entire community had
gathered to release balloons, yellow balloons in honor of Sherry
Peppini as a signal to the heavens, we're looking for
your Sherry.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And then it seemed like Pat, how I just got
to stop you, Kelly. Let me let this just marinate
for a moment.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
The community had gathered to release balloonans to Heaven in
a request like a direct balloon Ograham.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
To God plays up was fine, Sherry.
Speaker 10 (09:06):
This is correct.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It happened.
Speaker 10 (09:08):
There was a turkey trot that morning, and in conjunction
with that, people were going to use the opportunity to
release balloons. Now, the first sign that she had been
found with the family did not show up for the
balloon release that they had organized. The closest family members, Keith,
did not show up, and so behind the scenes there
(09:28):
were a lot of phone calls happening again early morning
hours four three am that she had been found, and
then we would get the news confirmed later that day.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I mean, haul John Kelly, I got to go to
Shriff Michael Johnson a balloon release, really really.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Begging, pleading with God.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And the whole time she's snugged up at our ex
boyfriend's place.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
The balloon release, I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I mean, the point is, I'm not mocking a balloon release.
I've done balloon releases. I've gathered and had prayer circles
and prayed for someone to be found. We recently did
one for Susanne. More few that somehow there would be justice.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
In that case, that the truth would come out whatever
that may be.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And I believe in prayer, but that she would manipulate
the community, law enforcement and her family, her children, Oh
my stars thinking Mommy's gone and may never come home.
A balloon release my rear end. I mean, when you
(10:38):
look back and you think about what all everyone went through,
the blood, the sweat, the tears to find this woman
who then tried to blame some She says, three unknown Hispanics.
What if there had been an arrest of people that
matched her pretty accurate description.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
She gave a detailed description.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
What if someone had actually been and arrested for Pete's sake?
Speaker 8 (11:02):
Well, as a matter of fact, the officers from various
agencies were pulling over vehicles and anybody that remotely matched
the descriptions and the suspects that she alleged had kidnapped her.
Because we're looking for clues and we're looking for suspects,
and we're trying to do our job, and it's all
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this hoax and painted picture by a self serving and
narcissistic personality that just doesn't care, only cares about herself.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
So in the bottom line, Sheriff Johnson, what was her story?
Who does she claim kidnapped her, starved her, beat her,
broke her nose, and branded her with a hot branding iron.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
Who did she blame, Well, she's blaming her boyfriend now,
But who did she blame before a company?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Oh no, no, I don't mean this iteration, Sheriff. I mean
the old kidnappers. Oh, there they are.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Who did she blame the get go, Sheriff Johnson?
Speaker 8 (12:00):
Who she blamed those Hispanic women that kidnapped her? And
she'd been held captive by a third person, and she
was making it up as she went, and it, just
as you heard, it became a community interest story in
a nationwide interest story because of the circumstances involved, and
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it just became this perfect storm of lies. And once
we got her back, once she was found, which was
her getting dropped off on the side of the road
and continuing her hopes. Once we started that investigation, we
had her and interviewed her, we knew that she had
fabricated this.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
We had.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
The problem was you have to build the case and
make absolutely sure that you have all the evidence before
you come out and tell the public that she's in
fact a liar. And in that meantime, she's out there
meeting with other families. We have an unsolved case of
a young girl who went missing and ready years ago.
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She went and met with that family and tried to
sympathize with them and tell them how much they had
in common and how she had been abducted as well
as just her her narcissism just is sickening.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
She went to another kidnapped girls family and tried to
empathize with them.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
Yes, unsolved.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
She did not.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Get enough jail time for this. I'm just putting that
out there.
Speaker 9 (13:27):
We need to.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Rethink that now. Joining me is a special guest Doctor
Stephen M. Diggs, Cherry Pepenis Therapist. He is a licensed
psychologist and owner director of the NYSA Therapy. He's the
author of Secondhand Girl from Foster careacter Borderline Personality to Peace.
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His website nysatherapy dot com.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Doctor Diggs, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 11 (13:58):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
You believe that your client, Sherry Pepini, was in fact kidnapped.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I do bye who by James the boyfriend? The boyfriend?
Why well?
Speaker 11 (14:12):
Because even though Sheriff Johnson says she's narcissistic, I'm a
specialist in personality disorder and she is not narcissistic. She
has another condition which I've gone into at least in
other places. But the real question is what condition would
that be? She has self defeating personality disorder. Self defeating
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personality disorder. Now the real question isn't.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Could it possibly be the I want attention from men,
various men, no matter what I have to do to
get it, and I have my life.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Fed to me on a silver spoon. Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I mean, didn't her family have issues with her violent
outbursts before any of this happened.
Speaker 11 (14:57):
The question shouldn't be Nancy, why do I believe Sherry?
The question should be why do I not believe James?
It is even simplussed to kind all of you to
believe James when there hasn't been enough scrutiny placed upon him.
And I can apply that scrutiny now, if you'd like
to help me do it.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
The original Gone Girl Sherry Peppini, After doing hard jail
time for a huge kidnap hoax, she now claims that
she is quote setting the record straight. Sherry Peppini is
setting the record straight on what really happened to her
and why she says the lie she told about being
kidnapped by two Hispanic women was really supposed to be
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a tip for law enforcement as to the identity of
her real kidnapper, even though she admitted a law enforcement
her disappearance was a hoax she orchestrated. Peppini says, she
really was kidnapped, and she's the victim of two men,
the ex boyfriend who really abducted her and the ex
husband who emotionally abused her and made her miserable.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Let's try to make sense of what we know now.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
This is what I know, what she told police after
she was discovered in a chain and zip ties.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Let's go straight to her police interrogation.
Speaker 12 (16:18):
Listen, if you want Keith to.
Speaker 13 (16:19):
Leave, I'll ask Keith nicely to leave.
Speaker 12 (16:22):
If you don't want Keith to leave, then he can
sit oud of the stress and we'll move on to
the next stages. But I want to give you that
opportunity first.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Can you see those little wheels turning right there? They're
asking h because they're onto her line that three Hispanic
people did not kid two Hispanic women did not kidnap her.
There are two many inconsistencies. This is very, very wrong,
and unbeknownst to her at this time, they have already
interviewed and pollyed the boyfriend, who has never been charged
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and is still not charged, and who cooperated. They've talked
to his brother, his mother, they have thoroughly examined the
scene and they know that she's lying. Okay, now they ask, hey,
do you want us to make your husband leave? Joining
me right now is a very special guest, a renowned
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body language expert, author of How to Detect Li's Fraud
and Identity Theft at body languagetrader dot Com is Tracy Brown. Tracy,
I want you, doctor Diggs, doctor John Delatorre, another shrink
joining us in Darryl Cohen to watch her during her
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police interview. Now, did you see the way she looked
at the investigator when he said you want your husband
to leave? That she looks at him and she's all
curled up.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Now, I'm going to save you.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
What happens for the next five to eight minutes where
she won't answer does she want them to leave? Should
I stay or should I go? Nobody can decide. Okay,
she doesn't say no, I want him here. This goes
on and on and on, but I want to hear
from you, Tracy, what you think about her body language.
Speaker 14 (18:14):
Whenever someone shrinks, they are not confident in what they're saying.
And so we see we see her lean over, she's
got her hand here on her chin. She's trying to
explain things that maybe didn't really happen. And so she
goes from being pretty still to all of a sudden
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really animated and bringing this in.
Speaker 10 (18:40):
But then again we see her shrink, and so.
Speaker 14 (18:43):
Those dichotomies tell us, wait a minute, there's there's inconsistency
in her and in her thoughts, and it shows with
her body language.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
The cops leave, and then she and her husband whisper
furiously and.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
This goes on.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
But I could hear what they're saying, and she's saying,
I don't want them to find her. I don't want
them to find her. Who is her one of the
Hispanic women that kidnapped her, beat her and branded her
and broke her nose and starved her. Okay, now we're
going to hear, after furious whispering with her husband, how
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shery Peppini doesn't want her kidnappers to be caught after
they beat her, branded her, broke her nose and starved her.
She doesn't want them caught because they don't exist.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Listen, I don't.
Speaker 10 (19:40):
Want them to find her.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
If you're how listening to me, because she seemed to.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Be life, what do you want.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I don't want her to get in trouble.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
She's not going to get in trouble.
Speaker 13 (19:53):
So the DNA came back to James Race, Indiana. It
was on you Belong jams.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Race, Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Daryl Cohen with me, veteran trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor
in the same office where I prosecuted Inner City Atlanta, Fulton, DA,
now private attorney at Cohen Cooper EASTEP and Allen.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
How do you think that husband's feeling about right now?
Speaker 15 (20:23):
Well now, and.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
They say, hey, the DNA like all over you is
your ex boyfriend not an Hispanic female and he's like truth, Bob.
Speaker 15 (20:33):
Well, so you can start with the fact this is
not Sherrie. Sherry maybe from the Four Seasons. This is
Sherry who may or may not be narcissistic, but she
is clearly liassisting. When you have all of that DNA
from an ex boyfriend, it didn't just get there, It
didn't fly in from the sky, and it didn't just arrive.
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She cannot tell the truth, and because she can't, she lies.
And what happens when you lie You have to remember
what you said, and you have to be consistent. She
was not smart enough to keep her story simple. She
kept it complicated and confusing, and the more confusing she got,
the more she had to remember, and the more difficult
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it was for her to be consistent. She is Shary
the liar who deserved much more incarceration time because of
the fact that she wasted law enforcement's time and effort
as she ruined the public. Because when people actually do
get kidnapped, we want the public to be good. We
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want them to look for them. What we don't want
is someone like Sharry the Liar to ruin it for
the people who actually are honest victims.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
About the PolyGram to Sheriff Michael Johnson, who inherited this case.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Sheriff Johnson.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Sherry Peppini's private therapist, a renowned therapist, doctor Stephen M. Diggs,
states that she passed a Polly first I heard of it.
Did she pass a Polly?
Speaker 12 (22:18):
No?
Speaker 8 (22:19):
She got two questions right on a Polly that's it.
Two questions. That doesn't make her passing a polly. And
I got to go back to something else about you know,
I've always I always wondered how people can even still
sympathize with Sherry and believe her. And I just heard
the doctor that believes her. Actually James came up the
day before she went missing. So she went missing on
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November tewod He came up November first, by her plan,
rented a car as she told him to, was supposed
to go missing that evening didn't work out. Plans didn't
work out. He spent the night in his car in
a parking lot and waited till the next day, till
they could orchestrate this plan. How you could say that
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that she was actually kidnapped now and blame James and
and one other thing. I will agree with the doctor.
She definitely has a personality disorder. I don't know what
that technical disorder is, but I agree whether your prosecutor
a liar is the best the best one, I could say,
proven convicted liar, Doctor Diggs.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Did you know that fact that the boyfriend James, who
has never been charged with anything and fully cooperated along
with his brother and his mother and others that Shaw
saw Sherry.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Pepinie in his apartment.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Did you know he had come up the day before
and rented a car, pursue it to her request and
ended up staying overnight.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yes, to leave with her the next day.
Speaker 11 (23:49):
Well, I mean, what I believe is that she wanted
to have a hotel room or a parking lot and
then get back home as quick as quickly as possible,
But that the plan to go and leave for twenty
two days was his. She did not have that plan.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Well, then why the rental car?
Speaker 11 (24:08):
Well, because he wanted to get around in town, I suppose,
I mean, he needed a way to drive around.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
She told him to get the rental car.
Speaker 11 (24:17):
Perhaps I don't know about that detail.
Speaker 13 (24:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Well, I mean we're telling you they have evidence that
she told him to get a rental car and to
come under the day before.
Speaker 10 (24:26):
Right.
Speaker 11 (24:27):
Well, she is, she has been. She's doing better through therapy.
But she is a hardcore liar. That is true. What
I'm saying is it takes critical thinking her, folks, to
separate lying from abduction. Her crime was lying, But she
was abducted. And if you look at the film she
made her polygraph. Person says, both things can be true.
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She can be lying and she could have been abducted.
They can be true.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Okay, yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I mean, doctor DELATOORI is joining me another amazing shrink,
and I mean that in a loving and caring way.
A psychologist mediator specializing in forensic psychology. I'm consultant to
Project Absence, which is a nonprofit to help find missing people.
Doctor Tellatory, thank you. I certainly think two things can
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be true to seemingly inconsistent things. Hey, I know she's lying,
but be I don't think it's possible that she was
kidnapped based on the hard evidence.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
So the fact that she claims to have passed.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
A polygraph, and I know for a fact she did
not pass a polygraph, the fact that she told someone
to come ahead of time in a rental car, driving
almost one thousand miles round trip to get her and
take her away, there's got to be there's got to
be something in the DSM to describe this woman insane.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
It ain't okay, because.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
That's a defense under the law. She knew what she
was doing, deleatorill.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
She absolutely knew what she was doing.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I think there's an element of an impression management type presentation,
meaning there are some individuals who need to come across a.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
Certain way to the world, to society, to the community.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Whoever, either as a hero or as a victim, these
individuals will say and do anything in order to keep
that kind of presentation going. I think there are elements
maybe of history on it, personality disorder, if we were
to really kind of boil down what exactly it is
that's going on. Uncomfortable in situations in which she's not
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the center of attention, shallow affects, there are a lot
of elements in which she's trying to control a narrative
in order to make herself seem like a victim. Now
with histrionic unfortunately, these people tend to be more suggestible,
where Sherry Kippini seems to come across as.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
More proactive and in telling whatever falsehood she thinks is
going to fit the situation that she finds herself in.
And that's where we get the two things can be
true at the same time, which is she's a liar
but believes that everything happened the way that she described it.
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A lot really only works at.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
The life in the delatory, which time the first time
when it was the fake Hispanic kidnappers, or this time
when it's a boyfriend. And did you notice Sheriff Michael Johnson,
who has clarified that she did not poss a past
a polygraph. Did you notice when you guys are getting
to go arrest, find and arrest to female Hispanic women,
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She's like, wait, I don't want them arrested because they
let me go. They saved my life by letting me go. Translation,
that's all a big fat line. I don't want you
to find out.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
That's exactly what it was. Everybody knows it. And now suddenly,
because she's in a court battle and wants custody of
her kids, she's got a new story. And that's that's
all this is. Is she's looking for more attention. She
wants to win a case, she wants sympathy, she wants
some custody of her kids. And this is her next
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ditch effort to try to create more drama.
Speaker 12 (28:17):
Toil agreements, phone into the carbonsil agreements. We have everything
that says that he said, he.
Speaker 13 (28:26):
Told that's James product diseased.
Speaker 12 (28:29):
Nick, So everything you told us, so many truths in
this situation. The reason why you can describe the rooms
is because you stayed in the room in the dark
for hours, for days on end. The reason why you
lost so much weight is because you stopped eating. The
reason why you got a rash on your farm is
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because he cleaned his house.
Speaker 13 (28:52):
The reason why the brand is because.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
He went to the store and bought the brand mantols
and branded you.
Speaker 13 (28:58):
The reason why your nose is because of the hearts.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Wow to Kelly som joining US anchor Action News now
CBS and NBC affiliate in Redding.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
That's a lot of evidence.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
The rental agreement, the phone rental, the car rental, everything, DNA,
blonde hair.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
The works.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Now that brings to light the fact that Sherry Pepini
was using a burner phone and when she described the
home of the female Hispanic kidnappers, she actually described the
home of the boyfriend, James Rayis down.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
To a photo in his room of his dead brother.
Speaker 10 (29:41):
I think what the investigation revealed is she was able
to give the very detailed misrepresentation so they found believable,
but then later when you go to confirm them, they
don't match up with reality. Some of the other details
she shared with that she felt cold and where she
s as she was kept it rained almost every night.
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That there was a windy road and she felt like
she was being taken up in elevation. Is up into
the mountains. That does not describe the boyfriend's apartment in Coastamasa, California.
It did not rain every night. It was definitely not
cold there. So parts of the story were true, and
then parts of them were not. It was a very
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detailed lie. And in that interview where they confronted her
with the fact, they gave her an opportunity to say,
isn't he a problem with your husband, Keith Peppini, she said, no,
I love my husband. I don't want to leave him.
I'm a terrible person for community communicating with former boyfriends.
They gave her an opportunity to finger and point the
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finger at James rage and she said, no, James loves me,
he's my friend. He wouldn't do anything like this. So
they were in essence bending over backwards, giving her an
opportunity to tell the story. She waited another five years
to tell.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
There's more but the fact that she was using a
burner phone shareff Michael Michael Johnson is with us. The
only people that I know that use burner phones are
dope dealers and felons. I mean, why do you need
a burner phone?
Speaker 8 (31:17):
Because you want to create distance, You don't want a
law enforcement to find you, you don't want other people
to find you. There's a number of reasons, right. Burner
phones are the tool of the trade for criminal activity,
and she's no different she. Let's not forget she's proven
convicted liar. The whole thing's a hoax.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Guys, there's more.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Listen to the interrogation and watch your body language and
how she reacts.
Speaker 13 (31:44):
I rented a car for a look and picked her up.
He passed the polygraph test.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Here.
Speaker 13 (31:51):
If that's not what happened, what did happen here?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
No, there's no.
Speaker 13 (31:58):
Way is change away. Ay d doesn't like his DNA
is his DNA was on me.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
There's no way.
Speaker 13 (32:08):
Robert saw you in the house while you were down there.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, the boyfriend, James Ray's brother, Robert saw Peppini in
the house and everything was fine. Nobody was being held
against their will. But that's her story. Now, in a
bizarre you turn the ultimate the original gone girl says, Okay, yes,
maybe I wasn't kidnapped by two Hispanic females and beaten starved,
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but I was kidnapped by my old boyfriend. Crime Stories
with Nancy Grace, Okay, DEARYLD Cohen, another truth bomb is
dropped on the husband. You knows how she's looking down
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and she won't look at the husband when they say, yeah,
your ex boyfriend's DNA is all over you.
Speaker 15 (32:59):
Woman, Oh, it's wonderful, Nancy. She is digging and digging.
She's not just using a little shovel, She's using a
ditch digger, because that is what she is doing. Piece
by piece by piece. She's putting the story together that
she cannot even fathom her husband, who apparently is a
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good person.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
And Tracy jumping off what Darryl Cohen is saying.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Do you notice how she won't she does her face
like this and won't even look at her husband when
the cops keep taking sheriffs keep talking about your ex boyfriend,
James Rayes, DNA is all over you.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
His brother saw you, his mother knew you were there.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I mean, she won't look at her husband, and she
just keeps saying, it's not him, it's not him.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
But guess what today, she says it is him.
Speaker 14 (33:45):
Well, there's that, And here's what I notice off of
that is there's no tears.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
She's not like she's trying to cry.
Speaker 14 (33:52):
But when people cry, they'll they'll poll at themselves, and
she's not doing any of that. But if you listen
to her tong that's where she's trying to go. So
sake tears right there.
Speaker 12 (34:05):
You used a burner phone to call another burner phone
for James to come and get you.
Speaker 13 (34:10):
You're saying, since you're married, you haven't called James.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
I have called James because earlier he is then you
had contacted James.
Speaker 13 (34:20):
As phone records. Story that you do, you did, the
phone's don't lie, the DNA doesn't my share. You can
go a couple of different directions.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
Now his story, I've already told you lying to me
as a crime, So you walk out the story.
Speaker 13 (34:31):
We're telling lies and that's a crime.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I think we need any.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Later with me.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
In addition to our other incredible guest is Sherry Peppinie's psychologist,
her therapist, California psychologist at NYSA Therapy, doctor Stephen Diggs.
So is there a rational explanation from peppinie as to
why she was using a burner phone to call James
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Rays her phone?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Why did they both need burner phones?
Speaker 5 (35:03):
She was trying to have him to share with him,
That's what she says.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Then why did he need a burner phone?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Well, that's a hard question.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
To answer, but I think I have a pretty good
idea about why it could not be revealed that she
was snugged up with her ex boyfriend talking to other.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Guys that got me here?
Speaker 13 (35:34):
So are you what I aspect?
Speaker 12 (35:36):
Are you saying, how did how does some other people
get here what you got?
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Obviously you've heard questions, so you can read through some
of those. And I understand you've seen some of the photos,
so you know some of the investing. Yeah, but you
can also know as your reaction compared to her reaction.
Speaker 7 (35:59):
Yeah, no percent, That's what I'm saying from my side.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
But now now you're telling me, Okay, you guys go.
Speaker 13 (36:03):
Home elf whole.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I want her anywhere around my kids or around me
at all at this point.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Isn't it true Kelly Sam that after a previous incident
of cheating, that Sherry Peppini signed a post nup after
the marriage, stating that she would lose custody if she
cheated again, and that's why she couldn't admit that she
was at her ex boyfriend's plaicing covered in his DNA
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correct About.
Speaker 10 (36:31):
A year into their marriage, Keith had Sherry sign that
post nuptial agreement saying, if I catch you cheating again,
you're pretty much going to lose everything, and you're going
to lose the kids and the money. And that was
in the back of her mind, very very fearful of
losing her children, and so that's what prompted the false
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story coming back that No, I wasn't cheating, I wasn't communicating,
I was hiding these communications with burner phones so I
wouldn't be discovered and I wouldn't lose my children.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Okay, to doctor Stephen Diggs, were you aware of the
posting up that if she cheated again she would lose
custody of the children and all the money.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Yeah, she's a liar and the cheater, and she's got
self defeating personality disorder, and as the other psychologist said,
she's got history onic features too. These are all common
activities and people with that diagnosis.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Okay, you know to me, Doctor Delatory, that posting up
that she would lose the children and the money if
she cheated again.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
To me, that says it all.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
That explains why she has to say that she was
kidnapped by the ex boyfriend James Reyes, because if she
can prove she was kidnapped, that means she wasn't cheating,
and therefore she can get money and children.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Am I being clear, Doctor Delatory?
Speaker 7 (37:58):
Absolutely, it's a catalyst.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Right, So her husband already knew that this was a
behavior that she could likely do again, and once she
felt compelled to engage in that behavior right have the affair,
she knew that she was going to have to find
a way to skirt around this post nuptial agreement. I mean,
I can't see how the kidnapping could be legitimate, as
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then it's like she was legitimately kidnapped when she has
every reason to lie and has done so in order
to skirt around what is known going to be a consequence,
which is losing everything that she had ever won.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I don't understand what the end game is now, Sheriff
Michael Johnson with us, you and doctor Diggs know this
better than any of US Sheriff Johnson. Why the IDA
Discovery special. I guess to further perception that she, okay,
first of all, wasn't kidnapped, that she lied about that,
(38:58):
that she lied about the two Hispanic females kidnapping her
for what. They didn't molest her, they didn't get any money,
and then they just said, oh, yeah, you know what,
forget it. I'm just going to throw it out on
the street. That was a lie, she says. But now
she's saying that she lied again. She's now saying that
(39:18):
she was kidnapped, although you see her and all these
confession tapes saying it wasn't him, it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Him, blah blah, blah blah. I mean, what's the end
game here?
Speaker 8 (39:29):
I think the end game it's just like doctor Delatry said,
this is her last stitch effort to try to get
custody of her kids, to try to get some sort
of stability, with monetary stability back in her life. And
probably because of her disorder and because of who she is,
(39:51):
she's still starving for her attention and she wants to
be in the limelight and I can't. Yeah, I mean,
you've covered a lot of it. There's so much evidence
over evidence that she has lied and created this whole thing,
and she in fact did not get kidnapped that it's
just ridiculous to me that we're even talking about this
(40:12):
because she's come up with a new life.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
What do you think is the strongest evidence a sheriff
that she was not kidnapped by the ex boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
In addition to what.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
His mother says, his brother says, they're both using burner phones.
And by the way, that was a nine hundred mile
round trip he took, okay just to get her.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Really is she worth that?
Speaker 15 (40:35):
In her direction?
Speaker 13 (40:36):
All right?
Speaker 2 (40:37):
But says she was in the car for four hundred
and fifty miles.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
She couldn't jump out or use one of her burner
phones to get away.
Speaker 8 (40:43):
Oh, they stopped at it. They stopped and let her
use the restroom on the way after she was picked
up on the way back to his place in Coast Amazon.
If she really wanted to get away and she was
really abducted and kidnapped, she had opportunity not to be
held by her captive at all, and there is I
don't know, when you say what's the most compelling evidence,
(41:05):
I don't know. That there is one thing. It's a
conglomeration of all these facts put together that make such
a strong case, which is why she confessed, which is
why she did prison time, which is why she agreed
to restitution payments for the time and money she wasted
on everybody. Now, this is just another Sherry peppini lie.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I want you to hear something else, everybody, And of
course I'm no shrink. We can all agree on that.
I'm just a JD. But I want you to hear this.
Speaker 13 (41:35):
James said you.
Speaker 12 (41:36):
Had your job broking by him, and that's why I
came and got you, because you're an inducive relationship.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Too.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Darryl Cohen is joining me, longtime colleague. We prosecuted in
the same offs together. Darryl, you've met my husband David
many many times and the twins. When I see you
or talk to you, do I immediately say I love
my husband Nancy? And Shakespeare said me thinks thou doth
protest too much? Why does she keep saying.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I love my husband? Because she's busted with her ex boyfriend.
Speaker 16 (42:08):
Because she's been caught and she doesn't know what to do.
She's been so caught. No, when I run into you.
Your body language, the way you and your husband are together,
tells me everything. And I may not be a certified
body language expert, but I look at facial expressions, I
look at body language. I watch what's going on, and
(42:29):
that tells me a lot. No, you don't overly say
oh I love my husband, but it's what you do
that makes it all worthwhile. It's how you do it.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Let's go to an expert. Tracy Brown Darryl Cohen hit
it on the head. What does that mean that she
keeps saying And that was just one tiny tidbit. I've
watched the whole thing at nauseum and she keeps saying
I love and trying to cry. But what does that
mean when you keep asserting that nobody asked her?
Speaker 14 (42:58):
That's exactly what I was going to say. Hey, nobody
asked her at all. And so this is what she
wants you to believe. At all times. Whenever anybody is
asking any kind of important question, you got to ask
yourself what do they want you to believe about them?
And that's in this case number one, that she loves
(43:19):
her husband even though nobody asks, nobody probably cares. But
this tells us something about what she wants us to
believe about her relationship and how she operates in the world.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Sadly, Cherry Peppini cannot be prosecuted for lying to Discovery
ID or else she'd be facing another slew of charges.
Let's stop and remember an American hero officer Agian Lopez
White Mountain Apache PD shot in the line of duty,
leaving behind a grieving wife, Lushawna, and two children. American
(43:55):
hero Officer Adrian Lopez. Nancy Gray signing off the abutment
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