October 12, 2025 • 58 mins
Fraser Bohm, the driver who caused a violent crash killing four Pepperdine college students, hires high-profile celebrity attorney Alan Jackson. Jackson shortly ask judge to lower Bohm's bail from $4 million to $2 million to free up funds for an "expert-intensive defense." Jackson argued that bond is tying up family money that could be spent on his defense. The judge refused to cut the amount in half.
Bohm faces four murder and vehicular manslaughter charges for the deaths of Niamh Rolston, Peyton Stewart, Asha Weir, and Deslyn Williams, who were standing on the side of PCH when authorities say Bohm hit them after losing control of his BMW while driving in excess of 100 mph.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Bridget Thompson - Roommate and Best Friend with Pepperdine Crash Victims
- Coco Crandall - Roommate and Best Friend with Pepperdine Crash Victims
- Brian Claypool -Trial Attorney, Owner and Managing Partner at the Claypool Law Firm, and Author of "Break the Code of Silence: Raising My Voice to Protect Our Kids;" Instagram: @brian.claypool, Facebook: @BrianClaypoolMedia
- Caryn Stark - Forensic Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice
- Joseph Tremblay - Senior Forensic Engineer and Accident reconstructionist, Veritech Consulting Engineering
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), NEW Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue" (launching AUGUST 20), and Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Dave Mack - 'Crime Stories' Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And out of control luxury BMW driver accused of mowing
down four beautiful Pepperdine University co eds, goes to court
and with a straightcase, demands a bond reduction so he,
the BMW driver, can use the extra money to hire
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the high profile lawyer that represented Karen Reid. I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. This guy, Fraser Baumb and Attorney Alan Jackson.
We're just in court demanding a reduction in bond. Now
(00:48):
the lawyer he wants to hire, an LA lawyer has
defended Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, most recently Karen Reid, and
he's trying to get Baum's bail redeased from four million
to ten million. Now why would the driver have a
(01:11):
four million dollar bond?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Four beautiful young college sorority girls in their early twenties
with bright futures set out for a fun night in Malibu,
but in a shocking turn of events, that evening soon
became a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Joining us tonight in addition to an all star panel,
are two dear friends of the victims.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
But first listen to this, these four females.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Are pronounced dead.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
I see Fi Alpha Fi sisters arrived at Sigma Kaye's
party and are waiting outside when a red BMW speeding
down the PCH going at least one hundred miles per hour,
suddenly swears from the road and slams into parked cars.
Partygoers scream as the parked cars are shoved into Nave, Peyton, Asha,
and Deslin, while by standers call nine to one one
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and attend to two others injured in the crash. The
BMW's driver gets out, stumbling away from the mangled cars.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So don't bother telling me he was too out of
it or injured to know what he is doing under
the law that is called flight. I'm sure veteran trial
lawyer Brian Klaypool will argue with me about that. What
you heard earlier was from our friends at Malibu Times.
Four beautiful co eds in the prime of their lives,
standing there minding their own business, are mowed down at
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speeds up one hundred and four mph in a residential area.
Now will a rich brat manage to escape justice? Having
just hired a controversial defense attorney that helped Karen Reid
get an acquittal again with me in All Star panel.
(02:54):
But first I want to go to two very special guests.
Bridget Thompson, roommate and bestie with the Pepperdine crash victims,
and Coco Crandall, also roommate and best friend of the
crash victims. You know, to Coco Crandall, I don't call
it an accident because when you put your foot to
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the pedal and exceed one hundred and four mph, that's
no accident. This is a crash. Tell me what you know, Coco,
about the night of the deadly crash.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
It stole your friends from you.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
I remember getting a call that night saying, you know,
don't freak out, there's been an accident and we think
it was Ash's car.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
So I immediately drove down there.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
I was like, to have no family, all their families
out out of state, you know, they need someone in.
Bridget met me at Bridge, met at the scene or
as close as and as we could get. But we
just sat on the curb all night, not really knowing
what was going on. But then you know, news broken
once we hadn't heard from them for a couple hours
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because we were always in contact with our friends.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
We knew that something was wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I'm just imagining U, Coco crandall sitting there on the curb.
I've got to tell you, I've been to so many
crime scenes and seeing family and loved ones and best
friends like you literally sitting on a curb because there's
nowhere to go, there's nowhere to sit, and you just
sit there, kind of suspended in time and space, just waiting.
(04:38):
It's like everything comes to a standstill. Everything seems to
stop and you're just waiting, waiting to hear something, to
know something, to find out something. Bridget Thompson also with
US roommate and bestie of the crash victims. Bridget, what
do you recall about that night?
Speaker 8 (04:58):
Yeah? For me, I actually was supposed to be with
them that night. I had cheer practice that night and
it ended running a little late, so I texted them
and let them know that I'll just meet them there.
And as I was on my way, I got a
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call as well, and it was kind of the same
along the same lines as Coco, and just thought there
was an accident and the girls aren't answering. I tried
calling all of them, but none of them answered, and
like Coco said, I went over to the scene and
tried to do whatever I could, but at that point
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it was just such a helpless.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Feeling, Bridget. When you got to the scene, what did
you observe, Well, we.
Speaker 8 (05:49):
Couldn't get passed, like the police officer that was blocking
us off, So really it was just a bunch of
stopped calls and a police officer standing there, and then
in the distance we saw a bunch of sirens ambulances,
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but nothing other than that.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Did anyone or could anyone tell you what had happened?
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Not directly. There was things coming out in the news
because there was quite a bit of news coverage on it,
and that's kind of how we found out our information.
We heard there was four dead, six involved, so we
were praying that hopefully we only lost two of our
friends with that math, but unfortunately that just wasn't the case.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Bridget.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Did you try and question the police or try and
ask anyone any questions?
Speaker 8 (06:47):
We definitely did, but we knew that there wasn't really
information that they could give us.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
What did you do, who did you try to speak to?
What time of the night was this?
Speaker 8 (06:56):
The crash occurred at eight thirty pm, so we were
trying to speak to just the police officers standing, you know,
blocking off the scene, and then we were calling hospitals
all night trying to see if we could locate them anywhere,
because at this point we didn't know that they had
died at the scene and a hospital just wasn't necessary.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Coco Crandall also joining us in addition to Bridget Thompson. Coco,
were you there sitting on the curb waiting for answers
as well?
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (07:30):
Yeah, so Bridget and I'm happy to get there around
the same time, and we both were pleading to the
officer to let us through, to give us any insight
on what was going on, and we're like, we know,
those are our friends in the scene. We can track them.
We see they're not quite at the party, and yeah,
like Bridget said, they couldn't really give us any answers.
(07:52):
So we just sat there for hours, you know, calling
hospitals and asking if.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
They had our friends tracking them, and probably, I.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Mean, like Bridget said, I don't know if I even
fully remember a time, but I think it was around
one pm or one am. And then we went back
to Pepperdine's campus up until you know, six am the
next morning when more information was released.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Who told the girls parents?
Speaker 7 (08:21):
Originally the school was the one to break it to them,
but the parents. I mean, you know, mothers know when
something's wrong, and so a lot of the parents were
also calling and just saying, hey, you know what's going on?
Where's my do you know where my daughter is?
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Whatever?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
But the court it took a while for the coroner
to confirm what had happened, so well, couldn't officially, you know,
tell the parents right away because we had to wait
for the officials to confirm it.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Bridget, When did you first say or speak with the
girl's parents.
Speaker 8 (09:00):
I was in touch with some of them over the
phone the next day. So early in the morning on
October eighteenth, I someone came up to my room and said,
Nieves parents are downstairs. They want to talk to you.
(09:20):
And I just broke down because that was like a
realization to me.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Oh my stars, I cannot even imagine going down and
trying to speak to the parents. And the parents were
there in the apartment, the place that you guys shared.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
No, I didn't go back to that immediately, never went
back to that apartment. I briefly said bye, but they
had us in a hotel room on campus. When you
first saw the parents what happened, it was hard. They
were obviously a mess beside themselves. They were unclear of
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what had happened exactly. So I tried to give them
all the information that I knew, but it was a
situation that I wouldn't wish on anyone. It was really
really heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Coca, what do you recall?
Speaker 7 (10:18):
Yeah, I, like Bridget said, remember the parents coming up.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
They came so fast.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
And I remember when Ash's parents came, because they had
flew from the East Coast, and there was just so
much sadness and grief and heaviness all around. And I
just remember walking outside the hotel and meeting her in
the parking lot and we just held each other and cried,
(10:47):
and I remember seeing her brothers and there was just.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
A lot of tears shed.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
And eventually we got to kind of all sit in
a room together with you know, all the parents and
Bridget and I and some of our close friends as well,
and we tried to just you know, tell their parents
all amazing memories that we've had with them at school
and how wonderful they are, and just share you know
(11:17):
more about the how Malibu was a happy place for them.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
It's just reminding me so much of when my fiance
was merged. When you're trying to in those first hours
and days after, it doesn't seem real. Your head knows
it's real, but the rest of you doesn't know it's real,
And you're like remembering events together, things you did together.
(11:47):
I don't know if that's some sort of comfort or
solace to your mind as you try to absorb what
has happened. Bridget You stated you did not go back
to the apartment.
Speaker 8 (12:00):
Why Oh, I just couldn't. I mean, when I left there,
I could still picture them right now. They were all
sitting on the couch. We were laughing, giggling. I told
them I would see them after cheer practice, and we
had so many amazing memories in that apartment. We, I mean,
(12:22):
we spent every second together. So I couldn't imagine going
back without them. It was and when I did, just
because I felt like I needed that for my closure.
When I walked in our apartment, it was clear that
they were meant to come back. It was clear they
had their pajamas set all on their bed, their lights
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still on they were they were meant to come back.
I just it was truly heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Then I you are at the crash saying girls did
eat see the descendant, No, we did not.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
In the last days, the California judge comes to his
senses and refuses.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
To lower bail for the quote.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Out of control BMW driver accused of mowing down four
Pepperdine co eds, mowing them down dead.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
The judge said it's not the court's.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Job to help the defendant pay for a high profile lawyer,
the same lawyer who recently got Karen Reid acquitted in
a shock verdict. The driver, Fraser Baum, twenty three, is
facing murder and vehicular manslaughter charges for allegedly plowing into
four sorority sisters.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
This is what happened.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Crime story is investigative reporter Dave Mack Who who is
the defendant.
Speaker 9 (14:03):
His name is Fraser Bohm. He is a twenty three
year old rich kid growing up in privilege in Malibu
and an eight pointy seven million dollar seaside mansion. He
was driving his eighteenth birthday president of BMW and he
(14:25):
is a former athlete, was a pitcher in high school
and pretty privileged young man, anthy, why.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Do you say that, I'm looking at a pature of
him and apparently a shirtless selfie.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Can we circle back to that place?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
And he's got rings on every finger, he's dripping in
silver jewelry.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
What did you say about a seven million.
Speaker 9 (14:46):
Dollar what an eight point seven million dollar seaside mansion
with a view of the Pacific Ocean a beautiful view
of the Pacific Ocean actually, and by the way, also
a seven hundred one thousand dollars vacation place out near
Palm Springs.
Speaker 10 (15:05):
In this particular incident, we lost four young people with
a complete life ahead of them for really no reason
other than complete and reckless this regard for the life
of others. So Neam Rolston, Peyton Store, Dissline Williams and
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Asha Ware were seniors at Pepperdine and they were mining
their own business, just being in the neighborhood where their
school his, and they lost their life unnecessarily.
Speaker 11 (15:46):
Between two and a half to four and a half seconds.
Speaker 12 (15:49):
Prior to the provision, the defendancy vehicle was at sheet
of one hundred and.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Four miles an hour KTLA five loved by all who
knew the four young women were more than best friends.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
They were sisters, bonded through Pepperdine's alpha feet. While they
were planning a glamorous night out, one young Malibu man
would change the course of their night.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Exactly what happened the night that these girls were mowed
down dead by a BMW traveling at rates of that
we know of one hundred and four mph. They're standing
on the side of the road. They are not in
the road waiting to enter a college party.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Now they're dead.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Four gorgeous, young, innocent, beautiful girls.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
They're gone.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Name Peyton, Asha, Desert gone tonight. We're analyzing why. You
know what I'm saying, gone, Let me say it correctly.
Why they're dead. They're dead, and don't you know their
parents are wondering the same thing.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
You just met two of their best friends that they
lived with.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
It could have been them too. It didn't matter who
was standing there. It didn't matter how young or innocent,
or vivationous, or how scrubbed and sunshine they were.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
To the defendant, who was driving his brand new BMW
given to him by Mommy and Daddy at.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Least one hundred and four mph.
Speaker 10 (17:40):
On October seventeenth, had a round a thirty pm. Mister
Bond was allegedly speeding up speeding at a spece of
one hundred and four miles an hour on a forty
five mile an hour zone on PCH when he lost control.
He allegedly crashed into a park car before crashing into
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four pedestrians standing together on the side of the roadway.
All the young women die of the scene.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
To top it all off, it's a fixed object.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Out of everywhere you could drive your car, you plow
into a fixed object and then into four young girls.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
And listen to.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
This party host Sigma Kai brothers tackle the mail driver
to the ground and hold him there until police arrive.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
I just saw some people taking him out of the
car and holding him down on the curb and everything else,
and he was just yelling and screaming.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
From my friends at KTLA five joining me. Veteran trial lawyer,
defense attorney Brian Claypool, Managing partner Claypool Law Firm, author
of Break the Code of Silence, Raising My Voice to
Protect our kids, Brian Claypool.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
He tried to get away. That's called flight.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Under the law, so don't tell me he was out
of his mind, or he was depressed, or.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
He hit his head.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
He tried to get away, Brian, that's damning under the law.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
The guys had to tackle him and drag him back.
Speaker 11 (19:21):
Look, this is a heartbreaking tragedy.
Speaker 13 (19:24):
I mean, we all have kids, but we can't measure
how a young man is going to react to a
traumatic situation. It's not like he hopped in a buddy's
car and was driving to the to the Mexican border.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Are you making that Why are you making that up?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's not like he hopped in a buddy's car. Maybe
he would have, but he didn't have a buddy's car there.
So he did all he could do, and he took
the turner Pata Street and turned the corner.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
He tried to run.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Isn't it true, Claypool, that that is evidence of guilt.
Flight is evidence of guilt when you try to get
away from the crime scene as fast as you can.
Speaker 13 (20:02):
Right, No, you know you're right. And that's why Alan
Jackson has a tough case ahead too. It's not just
because he won the Karen Reid trial. Remember in that
case there you couldn't even establish the manner of death
in that.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Case, Ryan Claypool, this is not about Karen Reid, Okay,
I'm talking about these four young girls and this guy
trying to get away from the scene. That's what I'm
talking about. So let me try to get the car
back in.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
The middle of the road.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Cay do you address him trying to leave the scene
and I haven't even gotten to the crash yet.
Speaker 11 (20:34):
Yeah, Nancy, Look, flight is evidence of guilt. It doesn't
matter how rich this kid is.
Speaker 13 (20:40):
Every defendant in a criminal case is entitled to a defense,
whether we'd like that or not. So what he's likely
going to argue in the defense of Boem is the following.
Was there a potential malfunction in his car? They're going
to expect examine the car. How did he go from.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I'm sorry, I just caved up my hot tea.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
A malfunction in the car, like lead foot, like his
foot on the pedal?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
What possible?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Now you know what, I'm glad you said that because
I happened to have an accident reconstruction with me, a renowned.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
One, which I'm going to follow up with what you're saying.
But I like that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Go ahead, spend me some more gold. Rumpel stilts can accident, malfunction.
Go ahead, I can't write fast enough.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (21:30):
Well, the other argument that his previous lawyer made was
he was involved in a road raid road rage incident.
So that's going to be investigated by Alan Jackson. And
if there was a road.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Rage, let me make sure I understand what you're talking about.
You're talking about the mystery vehicle, the mystery vehicle that
was chasing him that nobody's been able to find on
any of the road camp that car.
Speaker 11 (21:58):
Yeah, that's the car, right, and that's what they'll look into.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
They're going to have to look really hard, really hard.
It may take a little let me just say, creative
editing to find that mystery car that.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
He's claiming, something.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Along the lines of he cut somebody off because he
was texting and the guy got mad at him, and
so he boom ran away as fast as he could
so he wouldn't be injured, and then crashed and killed
the four girls.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
That's one of his arguments. On other arnament I.
Speaker 11 (22:36):
Think to look one of his other arguments. My job
is to tell you.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
What a defense way hold on Dave mac joining me.
I want to follow up on everything.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Claypool is saying, because well, I don't buy any of it.
It could be a defense that they try to raise
a trial, and the best thing the prosecution can do
is be ready for that defense and be prepared to
shoot it down when it Here's it, sugly head. Dave
Mack tell me about the mystery road rage incident.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
There's a man named Victor Calandra. He's a resident of
Malibu for over thirty five years. He's driving his twenty
sixteen GMC twenty five hundred pickup truck in close prescimity
to Fraser Bomb Boom, and he says that Bomb was
speeding and driving in and out of traffic, and they
actually caught up to one another right at Sunset Boulevard
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towards Tipanga, and that's when Calandra said, he's trying to
get Boum's attention at the light to tell him to
slow down, and Bohm never acknowledges him, and when the
light turns green, Bomb accelerate with extreme I think is
the term, with extreme acceleration up the road. Calandra couldn't
was not. He was right there at the light with him,
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but did not keep up with him. As Bom takes
off and it seconds later when the accident happens, and
it is Calandra who actually was yelling bomb at the
crash then, and that's who they're claiming was actually road
rage when in fact he was telling him to slow down.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know, there's going to be footage of that, Dave, Mac,
What stretch of the road was the alleged road rage incident.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Where now we're learning from the other driver.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
He was trying to motion to boom to slow the
hay down. But what stretch of the road was this.
Speaker 9 (24:27):
Well, we're dealing with, you know stretch of the PCH
that is called dead Man's Curve, which is actually a
long stretch there, but it's an area of PCH that
is just beyond Sunset Boulevard toward Tipanga and the erratic
vehicle in this case being driven by Bomb was at
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the Las Flores Canyon stoplight. That's where they caught up.
So it's a very short area where they actually caught
up at the light where calandrac You know.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
What you just used off.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
You just made me so happy, Mac, which typically does
not happen in a case like this, but you just
made me so happy because to Joseph Tremblay joining me
Senior forensic Engineer Accident Reconstruction with Veritech Consulting Engineering. Tremblay,
that was the music to my ears because I heard
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PCH Pacific Coast Highway and we all know it is
dripping in traffic cams.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I heard dead Man's Curve, which, as.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I recall, has signs posted the curvy nature like beware
on dead Man's Curve, and also the speed limit there
is greatly greatly reduced because of the curves. Also, I
heard Dave Mack from Crime Stories state the intersection at
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Los Florides Canyon stoplight.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I bet you they have a traffic cam as well.
I'm I mean, I'm hoping they do.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Because this could corroborate the witnesses story, it could corroborate
the defendant, but I don't think it is. What does
all this mean to you, Tremblay.
Speaker 14 (26:15):
When I look into a case like this, I start
with the evidence of the scene itself. And in this
particular area, it's a very windy part of the road,
and those wines in the road require certain steering inputs
which would require a tent of driving essentially, And I
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want to reiterate the fact that in this particular area
there are cautionary signs indicating that a.
Speaker 11 (26:46):
Turn is ahead.
Speaker 14 (26:48):
But the speed limit in that area is forty five
miles per hour, and I'll do the math for you.
Speaker 11 (26:55):
He was going fifty nine over the speed limit.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That's more than double this hold Tremblay.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I did a little research last night, and we found
out that in some of those spots it's actually thirty five.
There's also some forty fives, but in spots where he was,
it's actually thirty five mph.
Speaker 14 (27:16):
Yeah, that's an incredible excess of speed.
Speaker 11 (27:20):
I'd like to also.
Speaker 14 (27:21):
Point out that the dynamics of this impact suggests that
he contacted three other cars.
Speaker 11 (27:29):
Those cars have significant damage.
Speaker 14 (27:32):
There's actually photographs of those vehicles that he contacted, and
to be honest with you, those cars probably diminished the
impact severity that he produced against these four lovely young women.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
So Joseph Tremblay and regular people talk. What you're saying
is the cars he crashed into to start with were
a barrier, a buffer to the victims, and they would
have suffered even more had it not crashed into those
cars to start with.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
One hundred and four mp eight, that's correct.
Speaker 11 (28:05):
This is just such a severe impact.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
The four females both pronounced dead I see Bi Alpha
Fi sisters arrived at Sigma Kaye's party and are waiting
outside when a.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Red BMW speeding down the PCH going at least one
hundred miles per hour, suddenly swears from the road and
slams into parked cars. Partygoers scream as the parked cars
are shoved into Nave, Peyton Asha and Deslin, while bystanders
call nine to one one and attend to two others
injured in the crash. The BMW's driver gets out, stumbling
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away from the mangled cars.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
From Alabi Times.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
In a chilling turn of events, twenty two year old
Fraser Boem tore through the infamous stretch of Pacific Coast
Highway known as dead Man's Curve, doing over one hundred
miles per hour and a forty five mile per hour zone.
He was behind the wheel of his luxurious BMW, allegedly
fleeing from a road rage altercation. When his recklessness would
create a nightmare, no one could have imagined it.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
A BMW brand new to him, just gifted to him
by his parents.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Joining me now.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
In addition to Karen Stark, renowned forensic psychologist doctor Kendall
Crowns joining US Chief Medical Examiner Terrence County. That's Fort Worth,
Starva brand new hit podcast Mayhem and the Morgue. He
is esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at
TCU and has performed literally thousands, thousands of autopsies, accidents,
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natural causes, suicides, and homicides, including vehy killer homicides. Doctor
Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us. The girls
standing there minding their own business, waiting to go into
I believe Bridget and Coco it was a Sigma Kai party.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Was that where they were headed?
Speaker 8 (29:56):
Yes, it was a mixer. It was like an event
for sporty. It wasn't a part.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Okay, what's the difference.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
There was no drinking involved.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I neither had to be a difference, because when you
put the Sigma Kais and the Alpha Fies together in
one place, it sounds like a party to me. So
my Coco, crandall were they waiting outside to go in.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
So they weren't from our understanding, they weren't necessarily waiting.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
They actually had parked their car. If you're familiar with PCH,
you only can park on the street.
Speaker 15 (30:25):
Park their car, got out of their car and were
walking to the house to go to the mixer, and
in the process of walking, that's when they were got it.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
So they're walking into a mixer. Wow, Okay, Dodger Kendle Crowns.
I just wanted to make sure I understood what they
were doing. You know another reason I wanted to know,
doctor Crown's because so often, somehow the victims turn out
to be the bad guys in the media and with
the defense no offense. Brian Claypool, I know you do
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everything you can to help your client, but doctor.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Kendall Crowns, they were a not drinking.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
They would be on the side of a street walking
into the Sigma Chai house for a non alcoholic mixer.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I just want to be very clear, all dressed up and.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Their party outfits, having all gotten ready together back at
their place they all shared with our guests. I mean,
doctor Kendall Crowns, you know what time it is, right,
I'm looking at colleges right now for the twins and
hearing something like this just pushes me over the edge.
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Doctor Kendll Crown's, what happened to these girls when they
were hit by a couple of tons of metal at
one hundred and four miles per hour.
Speaker 12 (31:45):
So what happens when a car is going at a
very high rated speed and it hits a pedestrian. Initially,
the bumper comes into contact at about your knee level
and fulds your knee and because of your side to
strike the upper porch of the front of the car,
and that pitches the body onto the hood. The head
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hits the hood or the wind shield, and at that
high rate of speed, the body will flip up over
the car and then fly through the air and land
on the ground. Now, one of the other things when
you're having someone drive at that high rate of speed
is you'll get traumatic amputations where the legs will be
severed from the point of impact and then just kind
of spread out all over the roadway. We also might see,
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depending on their height, amputations that the hit area bodies
cut in half and even potentially from the speed with
the head hitting the windshield decapitation, it will be massive
internal injuries, fractures of all the extremities, ribs, pelvis, and
then the organs themselves will be ruptured or lacerated as well.
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It's actually high speed velocity pedestrians accidents are very gruesome.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Events, Doctor Kindall Crowns, How many cases like this.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Have you worked?
Speaker 9 (33:05):
So?
Speaker 12 (33:05):
Pedestrian instruck by vehicles are fairly common, we see them
at least probably once a week, But high speed pedestrian
instruck by vehicles are very rare because mostly, most of
the time, pedestrians aren't on the highway and most people
aren't driving their cars at one hundred and four miles
per hour when they hit a pedestrian.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I'm glad you mentioned that last comment. I'm going to
circle back to you, doctor Kndall Crowns for more of
an in depth analysis of what the victims may have
lived through. But Brian Claypool joining US veteran trial lawyer
managing partner Claypool Law Firm joining US out of California, did.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
You hear what he said?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Very rarely are victims walking on a highway where high
speed crashes normally happened. This was not a highway, and
they were walking along the edge of a pedestrian street
where the mph was thirty five.
Speaker 13 (34:03):
Yeah, hey, Nancy, I get that, But I think what
Alan Jackson is going to do in this case is
he's going to go after the County of Los Angeles
and or the city of MALIBURNI. It's likely the county
for failing to adequately maintain that road. What do I
mean by that? Your entire show, you've mentioned probably four
or five times dead Man's Curve. It was also called
Hell's Corner. The county's on notice that this is a
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dangerous curve. Why wasn't there better lighting? That's what he's
going to argue, And he's going.
Speaker 11 (34:31):
To argue also, was there a guardrail here?
Speaker 13 (34:35):
I don't think there was, And if there wasn't, there
should have been, and that might have minimized the impact,
and this tragedy might have been a.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Verb Well, at least you're going down swinging.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
You're going to try and blame bad lighting and no
guardrail and push it all off on the county. Okay,
that sounds more like a civil lawsuit claim where you're
trying to distribute the monetary damages. I'm talking about a
criminal trial for vehicular homicide. I'm sure, Claypool that you
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are familiar with the abandoned and malignant heart theory under
the law, which rises too. I would like this to
be prosecuted as murder not vehicular homicide because of the
abandoned and malignant heart theory. Malice murder murder one can
be proven in many different ways. One is, of course,
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when you say I'm going to kill you, Claypool, I've
had it and I take.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
A gun, hold it up and shoot you dead. Okay,
That is.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Clear, extrinsic and implicit evidence of intent to murder. There
is another theory called abandon and malignant heart. What does
that mean? Here's an example. You drive one hundred and
four miles an hour through let's just say a street
festival that's been blocked off where people are selling food,
food and homemade items and crafts. And there are two
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hundred people there on a Sunday afternoon, drinking lemonade and
eating kebabs.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
And suddenly here you.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Come, Claypool, one hundred and four mph, plowing through the
street festival and you kill people. That shows an abandoned heart.
In other words, you have a heart which is abandon
of empathy for other people, and you do something so
insanely reckless it equals murder. That would be my argument
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to this jury. And you're trying to blame bad lighting
I respect that.
Speaker 13 (36:40):
Well, Look, look, I spectfully disagree on that that my
argument applies to a civil case.
Speaker 11 (36:45):
You know as well as I do.
Speaker 13 (36:46):
You've got a proof causation even in the murder case here,
And what Jackson is going to argue is there could
be concurrent concurrent causation. And here's another point. In order
to prove murder in the situation in California, I approve
causation what's called implied malice, not that he intended to
drive over these young women. You've got to prove that
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he acted in such conscious disregard for the lives of
others that he knew that it was lead that these
young women would die. And what Jackson is going to
argue is that wasn't in his frame of mind that
he didn't intend on doing that, didn't intend on trying
to ebody.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Again, you just made me so happy because you said
he didn't intend it. But isn't the black and white
letter of the law, which will be read to the
jury and jury instructions just after closing arguments that the
law presumes the definitt intends the natural consequences of his act.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Isn't that true?
Speaker 13 (37:51):
Yeah, I'm not sure if that's a jury instruction in California,
you could try to make that argument as a prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Let me refresh your regulation.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
It is don't you want you what you want to
that you can consequence of your act.
Speaker 13 (38:06):
Look, if this case goes to trial, Boem is going
to have to testify to try to refute. Wait, let's
assume you're correct, Nancy, then he's going to have to
testify to tell a jury what was going on in
his mind at the time of this incident. And that's
really what Jackson is going to have to do here.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
What's in his mind? Why do I care what he's thinking?
Speaker 16 (38:28):
You should care because there is the first question Jackson
is going to ask him, did you intend on driving
off the side of the road to kill these young ladies?
That that is relevant in this trial to refute your
abandoned heart theory, it is, Nancy.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Abandoned heart means you at with such gross negligence, with
a malignant heart, that you kill others. What you're thinking
does not go as size called negligence.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
You're not thinking, Hey, I want to kill four girls all.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Dressed up in the party dresses to go to the
Sigma Kai mixer. You don't have to think that if
I go into the Mall of America with an oozy
and start firing, I don't have to.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Know who my victims are. I don't have to mean
to kill them. That is an abandon and malignant heart,
and that is murder.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
But I just looked it up just to make sure
I was right, and guess what I am. The law
presumes that you intend the natural consequences of your act,
and it's called in your jurisdiction non target offense liability.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
You don't.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Just like I said, if I take a piece of
thin china so fine you can see through it and
I throw it to the ground, Wow, what did I
intend to do?
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Break it?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
When you drive one hundred and four mph in a
residential area where people are by the road, the natural
consequence of your act is is a crash. Let me
ask Cocoa Crandall and Bridget Thompson first to you, Bridget,
have you ever been in that area before? Have you
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ever seen the Sigma Kai house?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (40:13):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (40:15):
And is it a residential area? What's around it? Are
there homes?
Speaker 8 (40:19):
Yes, it's one hundred percent of residential area. It's lined
on both sides with homes.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Are there other fraternity homes or arity homes on that street?
Speaker 8 (40:28):
There is one, but it's not like a Greek row
or anything. But there's definitely residential.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
So they're private residences.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yes, so good luck with that, Brian Claypool that there
needed to be a guard rail to prevent this horrific,
deadly crash. You're going to blame a guard rail or
bad lighting? Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 13 (40:53):
Well, one other thing I would do if I'm Jackson
is again I disagree as a state.
Speaker 11 (40:59):
Of mind a bomb. I think you have to ask
him why did he go.
Speaker 13 (41:03):
From ninety three miles an hour to one hundred and
four miles an hour.
Speaker 11 (41:07):
That gets to your defense.
Speaker 13 (41:09):
I mean, if he has some rational explanation as to
why the car accelerated ten miles an hour in a
short amount of time, he might be able to get
over this.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Advantage technical legal term. He's an a hole? Did they
teach you that at Harvard Law School? An a hole?
Speaker 10 (41:25):
The defendant knew his actions were dangerous to human life
and deliberately acted with consciousness regard for human life, committing
four counts of imply malice murder. In this case, I
can't say this enough. We have to realize that when
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we're driving a car, we have the potential of killing others.
When we're driving at one hundred plus miles an hour
only forty five mile per hour zone, the only reasonable
conclusion that kid arrive out of their behavior is harming others.
Speaker 17 (42:15):
I told her that the greatest steps to her young,
vibrant life and the future goals was a multi vehicle accident,
which is still the leading cause of death in an
age group at that time. ASDA, that seems I've lost
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the argument.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
You were just saying Deslin's dad, Desmond Williams speaking and
that's my friends at Pepperdine University YouTube trying to make
sense of a nonsensical tragedy. He's one of eight parents
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devastated tonight while we're on air. They're at home, sitting
in their dims and around their supper tables looking at
an empty spot. Maybe they're sitting in the girl's bedroom.
Maybe they're driving by their apartment thinking about what was
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I want to go to two very special guests, but
first to Karen Stark, joining US forensic psychologist, renowned TV
radio Trump expert. You can find her at Karenstark dot Com.
She has dealt with so many survivors trying to make
sense of a new normal. Sharen, Please, what is your
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advice to these two girls joining us today.
Speaker 18 (43:49):
I think that they need to do exactly what they're doing, Nancy.
They have to keep talking about this, and I'm so
glad they're on the show. I'm very sorry that this
has happened. But the more they get involved, the more
they talk about what this person did, dispeeding all of
the neglect, the better they're going to feel. It will
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never ever go away, unfortunately, don't we know that. I
think everyone knows that that hole in the heart never closes,
but over time it will get better. Just keep spreading
the message that this is terrortle and should never have happened.
Speaker 6 (44:30):
And remember your.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Friends, girls.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
When I first moved to New York to start off
at Court TV, Karen and I would watch trials together
in a dark studio and we would talk about what
the victims had gone through. Do you remember that, Karen,
all those years, eleven years, had those dark studios. And
She's right, it won't go away. It changes. You don't
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cry every single day, but probably right now that's still
your situation. And Karen please jump in whenever you have
a suggestion. Bridget and Cocoa, tell me about what life
was like living with these beautiful girls.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
First to you, Bridget, Uh.
Speaker 8 (45:17):
Yeah, life was nothing short of perfect. When I met them,
my life literally changed. They were the most amazing people
I have ever met, and I think I will ever meet.
They made every day a better one. They knew how
to pick me up when I was down. They were
always a shoulder to cry on.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
It was.
Speaker 8 (45:42):
It was just the best to live with them, To
wake up to their good mornings every morning, to go
to bed hearing their good nights. I just miss it
a lot. You know.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
It struck me, Bridget that when either you or Coke
I went back to the apartment, I.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Believe it was you.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Their pj's were still lying out on the bed or
they replaced them to hop.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Into when they got home.
Speaker 8 (46:10):
Yeah, they were.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Coco, tell me about a typical day that you would
have waking up with these beautiful girls.
Speaker 6 (46:21):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7 (46:22):
I mean it literally felt like a dream every morning
getting to wake up with them. They are, like Bridget said,
they are the bestest of friends, and I don't think
we'll ever find friends like that.
Speaker 6 (46:35):
Again, they're truly I don't even.
Speaker 7 (46:37):
Think most people are lucky enough to have friends like
we did in their whole lifetime. But we would wake
up and we always had a playlist that we would
play mornings, and we would wake up, open the curtains
of the sunshine in just sit in our pjs, make breakfast,
play music.
Speaker 6 (46:58):
We lived obviously.
Speaker 7 (47:00):
Great area, so we'd walk to the beach a lot
of time, either on walks along zoom A Beach or
at point Doom.
Speaker 6 (47:10):
Spent a lot of time in the water just swimming around.
Speaker 7 (47:15):
And then I feel like we always would go get
dinner at our favorite Italian place in Malibo, and I
mean it's such a simple day. But any day with them,
whether we were doing nothing or anything and everything was
just such a dream. And I know, well I can
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speak for Bridget and I like we would give anything
just to have one more day with them.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Do you ever dream about them?
Speaker 6 (47:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (47:46):
Absolutely, I mean so after the accident, because I lived
with Dosit and Bridget lived with the rest. Bridget and
I moved in together afterwards into a different apartment and
would be like we both had dreams and it felt
so real that both of us were like, we don't
want to ever wake up because we just want to
keep dreaming.
Speaker 6 (48:06):
And some of them felt so real.
Speaker 7 (48:09):
Some of them were dreams about them coming back and
telling us like, hey, we're okay, we're in we're in
a spot, and you know, it happened so fast, and
like I want you guys to know we're okay, and
so Bridget and I would just wake up and sometimes
just like cry together from our dreams because they felt
so real. But then we'd wake up and it's just
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hard to, you know, keep going in life without them.
You know, I feel like we were just in a
really big denial stage for a really really long time.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
But Doctor Kendall Crowns, it wasn't that way. It wasn't
just all so fast they laid there and died. You
talked about severed limbs, You talked about horrific impact at
one hundred and four mph. They didn't just just like that.
Speaker 12 (49:01):
Well, that is very true, Nancy. It really all depends
on where they got hit and what was initially damaged. Now,
of course the initial impact that could severe limbs to
cause a person to go flying over the car but
not hit anything else, so their head would be intact,
and they would be laying there with the traumatically amputated
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limb bleeding out on the roadway. It really all just
depends on what organ system got hit and at what
point was their head engaged or their neck engaged, or
how quickly they may have died, And it can be
one of those situations in which just the lower extremities
were severed or crushed or whatever, or their pelvist was
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crushed and they just laid there slowly bleeding out and
nobody could help them because of the amount of damage
that was done.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Crime Stores with Nancy Gray Well, Thank goodness, the child
judge knew not to reduce bond on a case where
there are multiple fatalities. Now, according to the defendant and
his lawyer, they say the bond company has frozen the
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collateral on the family home and the family will not
be able to fund the evidence gathering and expert testimony
needed to prove the crash was just a quote terrible
accident and not a crime. But the judge pointed out
Bob's bill had already been lowered from the initial amount
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of eight million. That's two million dollars for each charge.
The judge further told the family they are welcome to
use a free public defender if they are truly indigent
as they claim to be.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Okay, if they're broke, how did they afford to.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Give him a shiny new BMW the judge, and I
quote is believe me when I say there are many
many defendants sitting in the county jail right now who
would love me to reduce their bail so they can
hire Alan Jackson or some other private council. But that's
not the way it works. What happened the evening these
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four girls lost their lives. Senior forensic engineer ex reconstructionists
at Veritech Consulting, how do you go into this scene,
knowing what you know, having heard Bridget and Coco and
Karen and doctor Crown's how do you go in and
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perform a hard, cold evaluation that will hold up in
court to explain to a jury what happened?
Speaker 1 (51:48):
What do you do?
Speaker 14 (51:49):
I have to look at the facts, I have to
look at the evidence, and I think it's fair to
say in this situation, at that excessive speed, this was
no longer a car accident at that rate of speed,
and the collision that occurred would cause severe damage. I mean,
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he's probably lucky himself that he didn't have any injuries
from this. This is so severe, and you know, one
of the nice things we have in this situation is
so much evidence and so much data, in particular the
data from the vehicle itself, which will corroborate his speed,
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it'll corroborate his pre impact navigation, and whether or not
he attempted any sort of maneuver to avoid this collision.
So there's a lot of evidence that's going to be
presented at trial, and I think it's going to be
very elucidating for this particular crash.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
Timbly, What do you mean you're going to get a
lot of evidence from the car itself. I got a
lot of evidence in the Alex Mordag case from his
nav his navigation system, which was awesome. Can't really argue
with the NAS system in your own car. What evidence
are you talking about.
Speaker 14 (53:05):
Well, that's a great question, and there is a lot
of evidence from a navigation unit individually. But in addition
to that, modern cars are constantly recording data. Every car
out there, it's a federal mandate that they record data,
and that particular data is tied to the airbag system.
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In the event of an airbag deployment, the car decides
whether or not to deploy the airbags based on things
like vehicle speed, steering inputs, breaking inputs, things like that,
and that data is stored.
Speaker 11 (53:42):
On the car that can be retrieved.
Speaker 14 (53:44):
In this particular crash, that data was retrieved by the
responding officers, and that is most likely the way that
they determined the impact speed and then also the way
that they determine the pre impact excess eleration that was
done by mister Baum.
Speaker 12 (54:03):
And his.
Speaker 14 (54:06):
Apparently completely absent attempt to avoid this crash.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Simly, I know that the arriving officer saw skid marks
and smoke.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
What does that mean?
Speaker 14 (54:18):
Okay, that may actually suggest a small maneuver or breaking
an attempt to potentially mitigate the crash. I'd have to
look into that even more. If it was a skid mark,
that would suggest potentially maybe a steering input or a
breaking input to decelerate slightly before impact.
Speaker 11 (54:41):
However, that also kind of.
Speaker 14 (54:43):
Depends on how the crash unfolded itself. The data will
provide a very solid basis for all of that.
Speaker 11 (54:53):
And the nice thing about that data.
Speaker 14 (54:55):
Is that you know, it's been admitted in many different
court cases. It's very solid. It's hard to argue that data.
I'm sure mister Jackson will probably make a very honest
attempt to kind of reduce the credibility of that data.
But it's just very solid. It's been used a lot,
and it's a very valuable piece of evidence.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Here to Ridget Thompson joining US roommate investie with the
crash victims, do you ever dream about them?
Speaker 8 (55:26):
Yes? I have had many dreams with them, and it
is an amazing feeling to feel like you get to
be with them one more time. But it's hard to
wake up and know it's just not the truth.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
In the dreams. What's happening? What are they saying?
Speaker 8 (55:44):
Sometimes they'll reassure us that they're okay. Sometimes they'll be like,
it's okay, I'm okay now. And I'll try do I
convince them to stay, and they'll be like, I have
to go back, I have to go back. It's a
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really crazy feeling.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Karen Stark, what do these mean? What do these mean?
What's happening in the girls' psydechis.
Speaker 18 (56:16):
It's a case of them trying to preserve the friendship
with the girls. And this is actually wonderful because a
lot of people when they lose someone, they want to
dream about them. You have a chance to revisit, even
to say goodbye, which I'm going to suggest to both
of you that you tell yourself you want to do
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that when you have the dream again to say goodbye
to them, and the whole idea of being with them again.
It's all beautiful and very very fortunate. I'm glad they're
having those dreams. I know that when you wake up
and may be upsetting, but take it like a message.
You know that your friends have come and they're visiting
with you.
Speaker 19 (56:57):
Pepperdine University seniors and Nevel Peyton Stewart, Osha Weir and
Deslin Williams, four Alpha PI sisters, get ready for a
Sigma Chai party at their apartment. The girls are incredibly close.
After moving in together sophomore year, the women connected freshman
year and became inseparable. The Pepperdine victims are a star athlete,
future vet TikTok intern, and an aspiring writer. Neive, a
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twenty year old business student, was an excellent gymnast, cheerleader,
and pole vaulter. Who competed in the CICH Championship. Deslin
was on a pre veterinary track with deep empathy for animals.
Peyton spent her sophomore year at Pepperdine's London campus, landing
her dream internship with TikTok before returning to campus for
senior year. Asha was studying writing and passionate about the
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dynamic landscapes of the fashion and music industries.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
I'm looking at a photo of the four victims, just
in the prime of their lives, just absolutely beautiful, their
whole lives in front of them, standing on the side
of the road, waiting to go to a fraternity mixer,
when they are mowed down by the defendant careening into
them in his lux BMW. According to police. In the
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last days, a judge turns down the defendance request for
another bond reduction.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
Leaving in the courthouse.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
High profile lawyer Jackson says the judge's decision will not
deter the defense and that the defense team is quote
looking forward to our moment to get the truth out.
Speaker 8 (58:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
I'm looking forward to that too. We wait as justice unfals.
Goodbye Fred
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
And out of control luxury BMW driver accused of mowing
down four beautiful Pepperdine University co eds, goes to court
and with a straightcase, demands a bond reduction so he,
the BMW driver, can use the extra money to hire
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the high profile lawyer that represented Karen Reid. I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us. This guy, Fraser Baumb and Attorney Alan Jackson.
We're just in court demanding a reduction in bond. Now
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the lawyer he wants to hire, an LA lawyer has
defended Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, most recently Karen Reid, and
he's trying to get Baum's bail redeased from four million
to ten million. Now why would the driver have a
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four million dollar bond?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Four beautiful young college sorority girls in their early twenties
with bright futures set out for a fun night in Malibu,
but in a shocking turn of events, that evening soon
became a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Joining us tonight in addition to an all star panel,
are two dear friends of the victims.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
But first listen to this, these four females.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Are pronounced dead.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
I see Fi Alpha Fi sisters arrived at Sigma Kaye's
party and are waiting outside when a red BMW speeding
down the PCH going at least one hundred miles per hour,
suddenly swears from the road and slams into parked cars.
Partygoers scream as the parked cars are shoved into Nave, Peyton, Asha,
and Deslin, while by standers call nine to one one
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and attend to two others injured in the crash. The
BMW's driver gets out, stumbling away from the mangled cars.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So don't bother telling me he was too out of
it or injured to know what he is doing under
the law that is called flight. I'm sure veteran trial
lawyer Brian Klaypool will argue with me about that. What
you heard earlier was from our friends at Malibu Times.
Four beautiful co eds in the prime of their lives,
standing there minding their own business, are mowed down at
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speeds up one hundred and four mph in a residential area.
Now will a rich brat manage to escape justice? Having
just hired a controversial defense attorney that helped Karen Reid
get an acquittal again with me in All Star panel.
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But first I want to go to two very special guests.
Bridget Thompson, roommate and bestie with the Pepperdine crash victims,
and Coco Crandall, also roommate and best friend of the
crash victims. You know, to Coco Crandall, I don't call
it an accident because when you put your foot to
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the pedal and exceed one hundred and four mph, that's
no accident. This is a crash. Tell me what you know, Coco,
about the night of the deadly crash.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
It stole your friends from you.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
I remember getting a call that night saying, you know,
don't freak out, there's been an accident and we think
it was Ash's car.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
So I immediately drove down there.
Speaker 7 (03:48):
I was like, to have no family, all their families
out out of state, you know, they need someone in.
Bridget met me at Bridge, met at the scene or
as close as and as we could get. But we
just sat on the curb all night, not really knowing
what was going on. But then you know, news broken
once we hadn't heard from them for a couple hours
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because we were always in contact with our friends.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
We knew that something was wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I'm just imagining U, Coco crandall sitting there on the curb.
I've got to tell you, I've been to so many
crime scenes and seeing family and loved ones and best
friends like you literally sitting on a curb because there's
nowhere to go, there's nowhere to sit, and you just
sit there, kind of suspended in time and space, just waiting.
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It's like everything comes to a standstill. Everything seems to
stop and you're just waiting, waiting to hear something, to
know something, to find out something. Bridget Thompson also with
US roommate and bestie of the crash victims. Bridget, what
do you recall about that night?
Speaker 8 (04:58):
Yeah? For me, I actually was supposed to be with
them that night. I had cheer practice that night and
it ended running a little late, so I texted them
and let them know that I'll just meet them there.
And as I was on my way, I got a
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call as well, and it was kind of the same
along the same lines as Coco, and just thought there
was an accident and the girls aren't answering. I tried
calling all of them, but none of them answered, and
like Coco said, I went over to the scene and
tried to do whatever I could, but at that point
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it was just such a helpless.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Feeling, Bridget. When you got to the scene, what did
you observe, Well, we.
Speaker 8 (05:49):
Couldn't get passed, like the police officer that was blocking
us off, So really it was just a bunch of
stopped calls and a police officer standing there, and then
in the distance we saw a bunch of sirens ambulances,
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but nothing other than that.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Did anyone or could anyone tell you what had happened?
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Not directly. There was things coming out in the news
because there was quite a bit of news coverage on it,
and that's kind of how we found out our information.
We heard there was four dead, six involved, so we
were praying that hopefully we only lost two of our
friends with that math, but unfortunately that just wasn't the case.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Bridget.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Did you try and question the police or try and
ask anyone any questions?
Speaker 8 (06:47):
We definitely did, but we knew that there wasn't really
information that they could give us.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
What did you do, who did you try to speak to?
What time of the night was this?
Speaker 8 (06:56):
The crash occurred at eight thirty pm, so we were
trying to speak to just the police officers standing, you know,
blocking off the scene, and then we were calling hospitals
all night trying to see if we could locate them anywhere,
because at this point we didn't know that they had
died at the scene and a hospital just wasn't necessary.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Coco Crandall also joining us in addition to Bridget Thompson. Coco,
were you there sitting on the curb waiting for answers
as well?
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (07:30):
Yeah, so Bridget and I'm happy to get there around
the same time, and we both were pleading to the
officer to let us through, to give us any insight
on what was going on, and we're like, we know,
those are our friends in the scene. We can track them.
We see they're not quite at the party, and yeah,
like Bridget said, they couldn't really give us any answers.
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So we just sat there for hours, you know, calling
hospitals and asking if.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
They had our friends tracking them, and probably, I.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Mean, like Bridget said, I don't know if I even
fully remember a time, but I think it was around
one pm or one am. And then we went back
to Pepperdine's campus up until you know, six am the
next morning when more information was released.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Who told the girls parents?
Speaker 7 (08:21):
Originally the school was the one to break it to them,
but the parents. I mean, you know, mothers know when
something's wrong, and so a lot of the parents were
also calling and just saying, hey, you know what's going on?
Where's my do you know where my daughter is?
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Whatever?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
But the court it took a while for the coroner
to confirm what had happened, so well, couldn't officially, you know,
tell the parents right away because we had to wait
for the officials to confirm it.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Bridget, When did you first say or speak with the
girl's parents.
Speaker 8 (09:00):
I was in touch with some of them over the
phone the next day. So early in the morning on
October eighteenth, I someone came up to my room and said,
Nieves parents are downstairs. They want to talk to you.
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And I just broke down because that was like a
realization to me.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Oh my stars, I cannot even imagine going down and
trying to speak to the parents. And the parents were
there in the apartment, the place that you guys shared.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
No, I didn't go back to that immediately, never went
back to that apartment. I briefly said bye, but they
had us in a hotel room on campus. When you
first saw the parents what happened, it was hard. They
were obviously a mess beside themselves. They were unclear of
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what had happened exactly. So I tried to give them
all the information that I knew, but it was a
situation that I wouldn't wish on anyone. It was really
really heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Coca, what do you recall?
Speaker 7 (10:18):
Yeah, I, like Bridget said, remember the parents coming up.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
They came so fast.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
And I remember when Ash's parents came, because they had
flew from the East Coast, and there was just so
much sadness and grief and heaviness all around. And I
just remember walking outside the hotel and meeting her in
the parking lot and we just held each other and cried,
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and I remember seeing her brothers and there was just.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
A lot of tears shed.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
And eventually we got to kind of all sit in
a room together with you know, all the parents and
Bridget and I and some of our close friends as well,
and we tried to just you know, tell their parents
all amazing memories that we've had with them at school
and how wonderful they are, and just share you know
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more about the how Malibu was a happy place for them.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
It's just reminding me so much of when my fiance
was merged. When you're trying to in those first hours
and days after, it doesn't seem real. Your head knows
it's real, but the rest of you doesn't know it's real,
And you're like remembering events together, things you did together.
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I don't know if that's some sort of comfort or
solace to your mind as you try to absorb what
has happened. Bridget You stated you did not go back
to the apartment.
Speaker 8 (12:00):
Why Oh, I just couldn't. I mean, when I left there,
I could still picture them right now. They were all
sitting on the couch. We were laughing, giggling. I told
them I would see them after cheer practice, and we
had so many amazing memories in that apartment. We, I mean,
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we spent every second together. So I couldn't imagine going
back without them. It was and when I did, just
because I felt like I needed that for my closure.
When I walked in our apartment, it was clear that
they were meant to come back. It was clear they
had their pajamas set all on their bed, their lights
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still on they were they were meant to come back.
I just it was truly heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Then I you are at the crash saying girls did
eat see the descendant, No, we did not.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
In the last days, the California judge comes to his
senses and refuses.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
To lower bail for the quote.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Out of control BMW driver accused of mowing down four
Pepperdine co eds, mowing them down dead.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
The judge said it's not the court's.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Job to help the defendant pay for a high profile lawyer,
the same lawyer who recently got Karen Reid acquitted in
a shock verdict. The driver, Fraser Baum, twenty three, is
facing murder and vehicular manslaughter charges for allegedly plowing into
four sorority sisters.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
This is what happened.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Crime story is investigative reporter Dave Mack Who who is
the defendant.
Speaker 9 (14:03):
His name is Fraser Bohm. He is a twenty three
year old rich kid growing up in privilege in Malibu
and an eight pointy seven million dollar seaside mansion. He
was driving his eighteenth birthday president of BMW and he
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is a former athlete, was a pitcher in high school
and pretty privileged young man, anthy, why.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Do you say that, I'm looking at a pature of
him and apparently a shirtless selfie.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Can we circle back to that place?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
And he's got rings on every finger, he's dripping in
silver jewelry.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
What did you say about a seven million.
Speaker 9 (14:46):
Dollar what an eight point seven million dollar seaside mansion
with a view of the Pacific Ocean a beautiful view
of the Pacific Ocean actually, and by the way, also
a seven hundred one thousand dollars vacation place out near
Palm Springs.
Speaker 10 (15:05):
In this particular incident, we lost four young people with
a complete life ahead of them for really no reason
other than complete and reckless this regard for the life
of others. So Neam Rolston, Peyton Store, Dissline Williams and
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Asha Ware were seniors at Pepperdine and they were mining
their own business, just being in the neighborhood where their
school his, and they lost their life unnecessarily.
Speaker 11 (15:46):
Between two and a half to four and a half seconds.
Speaker 12 (15:49):
Prior to the provision, the defendancy vehicle was at sheet
of one hundred and.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Four miles an hour KTLA five loved by all who
knew the four young women were more than best friends.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
They were sisters, bonded through Pepperdine's alpha feet. While they
were planning a glamorous night out, one young Malibu man
would change the course of their night.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Exactly what happened the night that these girls were mowed
down dead by a BMW traveling at rates of that
we know of one hundred and four mph. They're standing
on the side of the road. They are not in
the road waiting to enter a college party.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Now they're dead.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Four gorgeous, young, innocent, beautiful girls.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
They're gone.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Name Peyton, Asha, Desert gone tonight. We're analyzing why. You
know what I'm saying, gone, Let me say it correctly.
Why they're dead. They're dead, and don't you know their
parents are wondering the same thing.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
You just met two of their best friends that they
lived with.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
It could have been them too. It didn't matter who
was standing there. It didn't matter how young or innocent,
or vivationous, or how scrubbed and sunshine they were.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It didn't matter.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
To the defendant, who was driving his brand new BMW
given to him by Mommy and Daddy at.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Least one hundred and four mph.
Speaker 10 (17:40):
On October seventeenth, had a round a thirty pm. Mister
Bond was allegedly speeding up speeding at a spece of
one hundred and four miles an hour on a forty
five mile an hour zone on PCH when he lost control.
He allegedly crashed into a park car before crashing into
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four pedestrians standing together on the side of the roadway.
All the young women die of the scene.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
To top it all off, it's a fixed object.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Out of everywhere you could drive your car, you plow
into a fixed object and then into four young girls.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
And listen to.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
This party host Sigma Kai brothers tackle the mail driver
to the ground and hold him there until police arrive.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
I just saw some people taking him out of the
car and holding him down on the curb and everything else,
and he was just yelling and screaming.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
From my friends at KTLA five joining me. Veteran trial lawyer,
defense attorney Brian Claypool, Managing partner Claypool Law Firm, author
of Break the Code of Silence, Raising My Voice to
Protect our kids, Brian Claypool.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
He tried to get away. That's called flight.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Under the law, so don't tell me he was out
of his mind, or he was depressed, or.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
He hit his head.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
He tried to get away, Brian, that's damning under the law.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
The guys had to tackle him and drag him back.
Speaker 11 (19:21):
Look, this is a heartbreaking tragedy.
Speaker 13 (19:24):
I mean, we all have kids, but we can't measure
how a young man is going to react to a
traumatic situation. It's not like he hopped in a buddy's
car and was driving to the to the Mexican border.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Are you making that Why are you making that up?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's not like he hopped in a buddy's car. Maybe
he would have, but he didn't have a buddy's car there.
So he did all he could do, and he took
the turner Pata Street and turned the corner.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
He tried to run.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Isn't it true, Claypool, that that is evidence of guilt.
Flight is evidence of guilt when you try to get
away from the crime scene as fast as you can.
Speaker 13 (20:02):
Right, No, you know you're right. And that's why Alan
Jackson has a tough case ahead too. It's not just
because he won the Karen Reid trial. Remember in that
case there you couldn't even establish the manner of death
in that.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Case, Ryan Claypool, this is not about Karen Reid, Okay,
I'm talking about these four young girls and this guy
trying to get away from the scene. That's what I'm
talking about. So let me try to get the car
back in.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
The middle of the road.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Cay do you address him trying to leave the scene
and I haven't even gotten to the crash yet.
Speaker 11 (20:34):
Yeah, Nancy, Look, flight is evidence of guilt. It doesn't
matter how rich this kid is.
Speaker 13 (20:40):
Every defendant in a criminal case is entitled to a defense,
whether we'd like that or not. So what he's likely
going to argue in the defense of Boem is the following.
Was there a potential malfunction in his car? They're going
to expect examine the car. How did he go from.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I'm sorry, I just caved up my hot tea.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
A malfunction in the car, like lead foot, like his
foot on the pedal?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
What possible?
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Now you know what, I'm glad you said that because
I happened to have an accident reconstruction with me, a renowned.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
One, which I'm going to follow up with what you're saying.
But I like that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Go ahead, spend me some more gold. Rumpel stilts can accident, malfunction.
Go ahead, I can't write fast enough.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 13 (21:30):
Well, the other argument that his previous lawyer made was
he was involved in a road raid road rage incident.
So that's going to be investigated by Alan Jackson. And
if there was a road.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Rage, let me make sure I understand what you're talking about.
You're talking about the mystery vehicle, the mystery vehicle that
was chasing him that nobody's been able to find on
any of the road camp that car.
Speaker 11 (21:58):
Yeah, that's the car, right, and that's what they'll look into.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
They're going to have to look really hard, really hard.
It may take a little let me just say, creative
editing to find that mystery car that.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
He's claiming, something.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Along the lines of he cut somebody off because he
was texting and the guy got mad at him, and
so he boom ran away as fast as he could
so he wouldn't be injured, and then crashed and killed
the four girls.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
That's one of his arguments. On other arnament I.
Speaker 11 (22:36):
Think to look one of his other arguments. My job
is to tell you.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
What a defense way hold on Dave mac joining me.
I want to follow up on everything.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Claypool is saying, because well, I don't buy any of it.
It could be a defense that they try to raise
a trial, and the best thing the prosecution can do
is be ready for that defense and be prepared to
shoot it down when it Here's it, sugly head. Dave
Mack tell me about the mystery road rage incident.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
There's a man named Victor Calandra. He's a resident of
Malibu for over thirty five years. He's driving his twenty
sixteen GMC twenty five hundred pickup truck in close prescimity
to Fraser Bomb Boom, and he says that Bomb was
speeding and driving in and out of traffic, and they
actually caught up to one another right at Sunset Boulevard
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towards Tipanga, and that's when Calandra said, he's trying to
get Boum's attention at the light to tell him to
slow down, and Bohm never acknowledges him, and when the
light turns green, Bomb accelerate with extreme I think is
the term, with extreme acceleration up the road. Calandra couldn't
was not. He was right there at the light with him,
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but did not keep up with him. As Bom takes
off and it seconds later when the accident happens, and
it is Calandra who actually was yelling bomb at the
crash then, and that's who they're claiming was actually road
rage when in fact he was telling him to slow down.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know, there's going to be footage of that, Dave, Mac,
What stretch of the road was the alleged road rage incident.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Where now we're learning from the other driver.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
He was trying to motion to boom to slow the
hay down. But what stretch of the road was this.
Speaker 9 (24:27):
Well, we're dealing with, you know stretch of the PCH
that is called dead Man's Curve, which is actually a
long stretch there, but it's an area of PCH that
is just beyond Sunset Boulevard toward Tipanga and the erratic
vehicle in this case being driven by Bomb was at
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the Las Flores Canyon stoplight. That's where they caught up.
So it's a very short area where they actually caught
up at the light where calandrac You know.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
What you just used off.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
You just made me so happy, Mac, which typically does
not happen in a case like this, but you just
made me so happy because to Joseph Tremblay joining me
Senior forensic Engineer Accident Reconstruction with Veritech Consulting Engineering. Tremblay,
that was the music to my ears because I heard
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PCH Pacific Coast Highway and we all know it is
dripping in traffic cams.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I heard dead Man's Curve, which, as.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I recall, has signs posted the curvy nature like beware
on dead Man's Curve, and also the speed limit there
is greatly greatly reduced because of the curves. Also, I
heard Dave Mack from Crime Stories state the intersection at
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Los Florides Canyon stoplight.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I bet you they have a traffic cam as well.
I'm I mean, I'm hoping they do.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Because this could corroborate the witnesses story, it could corroborate
the defendant, but I don't think it is. What does
all this mean to you, Tremblay.
Speaker 14 (26:15):
When I look into a case like this, I start
with the evidence of the scene itself. And in this
particular area, it's a very windy part of the road,
and those wines in the road require certain steering inputs
which would require a tent of driving essentially, And I
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want to reiterate the fact that in this particular area
there are cautionary signs indicating that a.
Speaker 11 (26:46):
Turn is ahead.
Speaker 14 (26:48):
But the speed limit in that area is forty five
miles per hour, and I'll do the math for you.
Speaker 11 (26:55):
He was going fifty nine over the speed limit.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That's more than double this hold Tremblay.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I did a little research last night, and we found
out that in some of those spots it's actually thirty five.
There's also some forty fives, but in spots where he was,
it's actually thirty five mph.
Speaker 14 (27:16):
Yeah, that's an incredible excess of speed.
Speaker 11 (27:20):
I'd like to also.
Speaker 14 (27:21):
Point out that the dynamics of this impact suggests that
he contacted three other cars.
Speaker 11 (27:29):
Those cars have significant damage.
Speaker 14 (27:32):
There's actually photographs of those vehicles that he contacted, and
to be honest with you, those cars probably diminished the
impact severity that he produced against these four lovely young women.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
So Joseph Tremblay and regular people talk. What you're saying
is the cars he crashed into to start with were
a barrier, a buffer to the victims, and they would
have suffered even more had it not crashed into those
cars to start with.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
One hundred and four mp eight, that's correct.
Speaker 11 (28:05):
This is just such a severe impact.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
The four females both pronounced dead I see Bi Alpha
Fi sisters arrived at Sigma Kaye's party and are waiting
outside when a.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Red BMW speeding down the PCH going at least one
hundred miles per hour, suddenly swears from the road and
slams into parked cars. Partygoers scream as the parked cars
are shoved into Nave, Peyton Asha and Deslin, while bystanders
call nine to one one and attend to two others
injured in the crash. The BMW's driver gets out, stumbling
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away from the mangled cars.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
From Alabi Times.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
In a chilling turn of events, twenty two year old
Fraser Boem tore through the infamous stretch of Pacific Coast
Highway known as dead Man's Curve, doing over one hundred
miles per hour and a forty five mile per hour zone.
He was behind the wheel of his luxurious BMW, allegedly
fleeing from a road rage altercation. When his recklessness would
create a nightmare, no one could have imagined it.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
A BMW brand new to him, just gifted to him
by his parents.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Joining me now.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
In addition to Karen Stark, renowned forensic psychologist doctor Kendall
Crowns joining US Chief Medical Examiner Terrence County. That's Fort Worth,
Starva brand new hit podcast Mayhem and the Morgue. He
is esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at
TCU and has performed literally thousands, thousands of autopsies, accidents,
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natural causes, suicides, and homicides, including vehy killer homicides. Doctor
Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us. The girls
standing there minding their own business, waiting to go into
I believe Bridget and Coco it was a Sigma Kai party.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Was that where they were headed?
Speaker 8 (29:56):
Yes, it was a mixer. It was like an event
for sporty. It wasn't a part.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Okay, what's the difference.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
There was no drinking involved.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I neither had to be a difference, because when you
put the Sigma Kais and the Alpha Fies together in
one place, it sounds like a party to me. So
my Coco, crandall were they waiting outside to go in.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
So they weren't from our understanding, they weren't necessarily waiting.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
They actually had parked their car. If you're familiar with PCH,
you only can park on the street.
Speaker 15 (30:25):
Park their car, got out of their car and were
walking to the house to go to the mixer, and
in the process of walking, that's when they were got it.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Got it.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
So they're walking into a mixer. Wow, Okay, Dodger Kendle Crowns.
I just wanted to make sure I understood what they
were doing. You know another reason I wanted to know,
doctor Crown's because so often, somehow the victims turn out
to be the bad guys in the media and with
the defense no offense. Brian Claypool, I know you do
(30:58):
everything you can to help your client, but doctor.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Kendall Crowns, they were a not drinking.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
They would be on the side of a street walking
into the Sigma Chai house for a non alcoholic mixer.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I just want to be very clear, all dressed up and.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Their party outfits, having all gotten ready together back at
their place they all shared with our guests. I mean,
doctor Kendall Crowns, you know what time it is, right,
I'm looking at colleges right now for the twins and
hearing something like this just pushes me over the edge.
(31:37):
Doctor Kendll Crown's, what happened to these girls when they
were hit by a couple of tons of metal at
one hundred and four miles per hour.
Speaker 12 (31:45):
So what happens when a car is going at a
very high rated speed and it hits a pedestrian. Initially,
the bumper comes into contact at about your knee level
and fulds your knee and because of your side to
strike the upper porch of the front of the car,
and that pitches the body onto the hood. The head
(32:05):
hits the hood or the wind shield, and at that
high rate of speed, the body will flip up over
the car and then fly through the air and land
on the ground. Now, one of the other things when
you're having someone drive at that high rate of speed
is you'll get traumatic amputations where the legs will be
severed from the point of impact and then just kind
of spread out all over the roadway. We also might see,
(32:28):
depending on their height, amputations that the hit area bodies
cut in half and even potentially from the speed with
the head hitting the windshield decapitation, it will be massive
internal injuries, fractures of all the extremities, ribs, pelvis, and
then the organs themselves will be ruptured or lacerated as well.
(32:52):
It's actually high speed velocity pedestrians accidents are very gruesome.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Events, Doctor Kindall Crowns, How many cases like this.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Have you worked?
Speaker 9 (33:05):
So?
Speaker 12 (33:05):
Pedestrian instruck by vehicles are fairly common, we see them
at least probably once a week, But high speed pedestrian
instruck by vehicles are very rare because mostly, most of
the time, pedestrians aren't on the highway and most people
aren't driving their cars at one hundred and four miles
per hour when they hit a pedestrian.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I'm glad you mentioned that last comment. I'm going to
circle back to you, doctor Kndall Crowns for more of
an in depth analysis of what the victims may have
lived through. But Brian Claypool joining US veteran trial lawyer
managing partner Claypool Law Firm joining US out of California, did.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
You hear what he said?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Very rarely are victims walking on a highway where high
speed crashes normally happened. This was not a highway, and
they were walking along the edge of a pedestrian street
where the mph was thirty five.
Speaker 13 (34:03):
Yeah, hey, Nancy, I get that, But I think what
Alan Jackson is going to do in this case is
he's going to go after the County of Los Angeles
and or the city of MALIBURNI. It's likely the county
for failing to adequately maintain that road. What do I
mean by that? Your entire show, you've mentioned probably four
or five times dead Man's Curve. It was also called
Hell's Corner. The county's on notice that this is a
(34:26):
dangerous curve. Why wasn't there better lighting? That's what he's
going to argue, And he's going.
Speaker 11 (34:31):
To argue also, was there a guardrail here?
Speaker 13 (34:35):
I don't think there was, And if there wasn't, there
should have been, and that might have minimized the impact,
and this tragedy might have been a.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Verb Well, at least you're going down swinging.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
You're going to try and blame bad lighting and no
guardrail and push it all off on the county. Okay,
that sounds more like a civil lawsuit claim where you're
trying to distribute the monetary damages. I'm talking about a
criminal trial for vehicular homicide. I'm sure, Claypool that you
(35:10):
are familiar with the abandoned and malignant heart theory under
the law, which rises too. I would like this to
be prosecuted as murder not vehicular homicide because of the
abandoned and malignant heart theory. Malice murder murder one can
be proven in many different ways. One is, of course,
(35:33):
when you say I'm going to kill you, Claypool, I've
had it and I take.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
A gun, hold it up and shoot you dead. Okay,
That is.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Clear, extrinsic and implicit evidence of intent to murder. There
is another theory called abandon and malignant heart. What does
that mean? Here's an example. You drive one hundred and
four miles an hour through let's just say a street
festival that's been blocked off where people are selling food,
food and homemade items and crafts. And there are two
(36:05):
hundred people there on a Sunday afternoon, drinking lemonade and
eating kebabs.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
And suddenly here you.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Come, Claypool, one hundred and four mph, plowing through the
street festival and you kill people. That shows an abandoned heart.
In other words, you have a heart which is abandon
of empathy for other people, and you do something so
insanely reckless it equals murder. That would be my argument
(36:34):
to this jury. And you're trying to blame bad lighting
I respect that.
Speaker 13 (36:40):
Well, Look, look, I spectfully disagree on that that my
argument applies to a civil case.
Speaker 11 (36:45):
You know as well as I do.
Speaker 13 (36:46):
You've got a proof causation even in the murder case here,
And what Jackson is going to argue is there could
be concurrent concurrent causation. And here's another point. In order
to prove murder in the situation in California, I approve
causation what's called implied malice, not that he intended to
drive over these young women. You've got to prove that
(37:07):
he acted in such conscious disregard for the lives of
others that he knew that it was lead that these
young women would die. And what Jackson is going to
argue is that wasn't in his frame of mind that
he didn't intend on doing that, didn't intend on trying
to ebody.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Again, you just made me so happy because you said
he didn't intend it. But isn't the black and white
letter of the law, which will be read to the
jury and jury instructions just after closing arguments that the
law presumes the definitt intends the natural consequences of his act.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Isn't that true?
Speaker 13 (37:51):
Yeah, I'm not sure if that's a jury instruction in California,
you could try to make that argument as a prosecutor.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Let me refresh your regulation.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
It is don't you want you what you want to
that you can consequence of your act.
Speaker 13 (38:06):
Look, if this case goes to trial, Boem is going
to have to testify to try to refute. Wait, let's
assume you're correct, Nancy, then he's going to have to
testify to tell a jury what was going on in
his mind at the time of this incident. And that's
really what Jackson is going to have to do here.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
What's in his mind? Why do I care what he's thinking?
Speaker 16 (38:28):
You should care because there is the first question Jackson
is going to ask him, did you intend on driving
off the side of the road to kill these young ladies?
That that is relevant in this trial to refute your
abandoned heart theory, it is, Nancy.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Abandoned heart means you at with such gross negligence, with
a malignant heart, that you kill others. What you're thinking
does not go as size called negligence.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
You're not thinking, Hey, I want to kill four girls all.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Dressed up in the party dresses to go to the
Sigma Kai mixer. You don't have to think that if
I go into the Mall of America with an oozy
and start firing, I don't have to.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Know who my victims are. I don't have to mean
to kill them. That is an abandon and malignant heart,
and that is murder.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
But I just looked it up just to make sure
I was right, and guess what I am. The law
presumes that you intend the natural consequences of your act,
and it's called in your jurisdiction non target offense liability.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
You don't.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Just like I said, if I take a piece of
thin china so fine you can see through it and
I throw it to the ground, Wow, what did I
intend to do?
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Break it?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
When you drive one hundred and four mph in a
residential area where people are by the road, the natural
consequence of your act is is a crash. Let me
ask Cocoa Crandall and Bridget Thompson first to you, Bridget,
have you ever been in that area before? Have you
(40:11):
ever seen the Sigma Kai house?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (40:13):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (40:15):
And is it a residential area? What's around it? Are
there homes?
Speaker 8 (40:19):
Yes, it's one hundred percent of residential area. It's lined
on both sides with homes.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Are there other fraternity homes or arity homes on that street?
Speaker 8 (40:28):
There is one, but it's not like a Greek row
or anything. But there's definitely residential.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
So they're private residences.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yes, so good luck with that, Brian Claypool that there
needed to be a guard rail to prevent this horrific,
deadly crash. You're going to blame a guard rail or
bad lighting? Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 13 (40:53):
Well, one other thing I would do if I'm Jackson
is again I disagree as a state.
Speaker 11 (40:59):
Of mind a bomb. I think you have to ask
him why did he go.
Speaker 13 (41:03):
From ninety three miles an hour to one hundred and
four miles an hour.
Speaker 11 (41:07):
That gets to your defense.
Speaker 13 (41:09):
I mean, if he has some rational explanation as to
why the car accelerated ten miles an hour in a
short amount of time, he might be able to get
over this.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Advantage technical legal term. He's an a hole? Did they
teach you that at Harvard Law School? An a hole?
Speaker 10 (41:25):
The defendant knew his actions were dangerous to human life
and deliberately acted with consciousness regard for human life, committing
four counts of imply malice murder. In this case, I
can't say this enough. We have to realize that when
(41:48):
we're driving a car, we have the potential of killing others.
When we're driving at one hundred plus miles an hour
only forty five mile per hour zone, the only reasonable
conclusion that kid arrive out of their behavior is harming others.
Speaker 17 (42:15):
I told her that the greatest steps to her young,
vibrant life and the future goals was a multi vehicle accident,
which is still the leading cause of death in an
age group at that time. ASDA, that seems I've lost
(42:36):
the argument.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
You were just saying Deslin's dad, Desmond Williams speaking and
that's my friends at Pepperdine University YouTube trying to make
sense of a nonsensical tragedy. He's one of eight parents
(42:59):
devastated tonight while we're on air. They're at home, sitting
in their dims and around their supper tables looking at
an empty spot. Maybe they're sitting in the girl's bedroom.
Maybe they're driving by their apartment thinking about what was
(43:20):
I want to go to two very special guests, but
first to Karen Stark, joining US forensic psychologist, renowned TV
radio Trump expert. You can find her at Karenstark dot Com.
She has dealt with so many survivors trying to make
sense of a new normal. Sharen, Please, what is your
(43:46):
advice to these two girls joining us today.
Speaker 18 (43:49):
I think that they need to do exactly what they're doing, Nancy.
They have to keep talking about this, and I'm so
glad they're on the show. I'm very sorry that this
has happened. But the more they get involved, the more
they talk about what this person did, dispeeding all of
the neglect, the better they're going to feel. It will
(44:12):
never ever go away, unfortunately, don't we know that. I
think everyone knows that that hole in the heart never closes,
but over time it will get better. Just keep spreading
the message that this is terrortle and should never have happened.
Speaker 6 (44:30):
And remember your.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Friends, girls.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
When I first moved to New York to start off
at Court TV, Karen and I would watch trials together
in a dark studio and we would talk about what
the victims had gone through. Do you remember that, Karen,
all those years, eleven years, had those dark studios. And
She's right, it won't go away. It changes. You don't
(44:57):
cry every single day, but probably right now that's still
your situation. And Karen please jump in whenever you have
a suggestion. Bridget and Cocoa, tell me about what life
was like living with these beautiful girls.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
First to you, Bridget, Uh.
Speaker 8 (45:17):
Yeah, life was nothing short of perfect. When I met them,
my life literally changed. They were the most amazing people
I have ever met, and I think I will ever meet.
They made every day a better one. They knew how
to pick me up when I was down. They were
always a shoulder to cry on.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
It was.
Speaker 8 (45:42):
It was just the best to live with them, To
wake up to their good mornings every morning, to go
to bed hearing their good nights. I just miss it
a lot. You know.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
It struck me, Bridget that when either you or Coke
I went back to the apartment, I.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Believe it was you.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Their pj's were still lying out on the bed or
they replaced them to hop.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Into when they got home.
Speaker 8 (46:10):
Yeah, they were.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Coco, tell me about a typical day that you would
have waking up with these beautiful girls.
Speaker 6 (46:21):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7 (46:22):
I mean it literally felt like a dream every morning
getting to wake up with them. They are, like Bridget said,
they are the bestest of friends, and I don't think
we'll ever find friends like that.
Speaker 6 (46:35):
Again, they're truly I don't even.
Speaker 7 (46:37):
Think most people are lucky enough to have friends like
we did in their whole lifetime. But we would wake
up and we always had a playlist that we would
play mornings, and we would wake up, open the curtains
of the sunshine in just sit in our pjs, make breakfast,
play music.
Speaker 6 (46:58):
We lived obviously.
Speaker 7 (47:00):
Great area, so we'd walk to the beach a lot
of time, either on walks along zoom A Beach or
at point Doom.
Speaker 6 (47:10):
Spent a lot of time in the water just swimming around.
Speaker 7 (47:15):
And then I feel like we always would go get
dinner at our favorite Italian place in Malibo, and I
mean it's such a simple day. But any day with them,
whether we were doing nothing or anything and everything was
just such a dream. And I know, well I can
(47:37):
speak for Bridget and I like we would give anything
just to have one more day with them.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Do you ever dream about them?
Speaker 6 (47:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (47:46):
Absolutely, I mean so after the accident, because I lived
with Dosit and Bridget lived with the rest. Bridget and
I moved in together afterwards into a different apartment and
would be like we both had dreams and it felt
so real that both of us were like, we don't
want to ever wake up because we just want to
keep dreaming.
Speaker 6 (48:06):
And some of them felt so real.
Speaker 7 (48:09):
Some of them were dreams about them coming back and
telling us like, hey, we're okay, we're in we're in
a spot, and you know, it happened so fast, and
like I want you guys to know we're okay, and
so Bridget and I would just wake up and sometimes
just like cry together from our dreams because they felt
so real. But then we'd wake up and it's just
(48:32):
hard to, you know, keep going in life without them.
You know, I feel like we were just in a
really big denial stage for a really really long time.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
But Doctor Kendall Crowns, it wasn't that way. It wasn't
just all so fast they laid there and died. You
talked about severed limbs, You talked about horrific impact at
one hundred and four mph. They didn't just just like that.
Speaker 12 (49:01):
Well, that is very true, Nancy. It really all depends
on where they got hit and what was initially damaged. Now,
of course the initial impact that could severe limbs to
cause a person to go flying over the car but
not hit anything else, so their head would be intact,
and they would be laying there with the traumatically amputated
(49:22):
limb bleeding out on the roadway. It really all just
depends on what organ system got hit and at what
point was their head engaged or their neck engaged, or
how quickly they may have died, And it can be
one of those situations in which just the lower extremities
were severed or crushed or whatever, or their pelvist was
(49:44):
crushed and they just laid there slowly bleeding out and
nobody could help them because of the amount of damage
that was done.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Crime Stores with Nancy Gray Well, Thank goodness, the child
judge knew not to reduce bond on a case where
there are multiple fatalities. Now, according to the defendant and
his lawyer, they say the bond company has frozen the
(50:17):
collateral on the family home and the family will not
be able to fund the evidence gathering and expert testimony
needed to prove the crash was just a quote terrible
accident and not a crime. But the judge pointed out
Bob's bill had already been lowered from the initial amount
(50:38):
of eight million. That's two million dollars for each charge.
The judge further told the family they are welcome to
use a free public defender if they are truly indigent
as they claim to be.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Okay, if they're broke, how did they afford to.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Give him a shiny new BMW the judge, and I
quote is believe me when I say there are many
many defendants sitting in the county jail right now who
would love me to reduce their bail so they can
hire Alan Jackson or some other private council. But that's
not the way it works. What happened the evening these
(51:15):
four girls lost their lives. Senior forensic engineer ex reconstructionists
at Veritech Consulting, how do you go into this scene,
knowing what you know, having heard Bridget and Coco and
Karen and doctor Crown's how do you go in and
(51:40):
perform a hard, cold evaluation that will hold up in
court to explain to a jury what happened?
Speaker 1 (51:48):
What do you do?
Speaker 14 (51:49):
I have to look at the facts, I have to
look at the evidence, and I think it's fair to
say in this situation, at that excessive speed, this was
no longer a car accident at that rate of speed,
and the collision that occurred would cause severe damage. I mean,
(52:09):
he's probably lucky himself that he didn't have any injuries
from this. This is so severe, and you know, one
of the nice things we have in this situation is
so much evidence and so much data, in particular the
data from the vehicle itself, which will corroborate his speed,
(52:29):
it'll corroborate his pre impact navigation, and whether or not
he attempted any sort of maneuver to avoid this collision.
So there's a lot of evidence that's going to be
presented at trial, and I think it's going to be
very elucidating for this particular crash.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
Timbly, What do you mean you're going to get a
lot of evidence from the car itself. I got a
lot of evidence in the Alex Mordag case from his
nav his navigation system, which was awesome. Can't really argue
with the NAS system in your own car. What evidence
are you talking about.
Speaker 14 (53:05):
Well, that's a great question, and there is a lot
of evidence from a navigation unit individually. But in addition
to that, modern cars are constantly recording data. Every car
out there, it's a federal mandate that they record data,
and that particular data is tied to the airbag system.
(53:28):
In the event of an airbag deployment, the car decides
whether or not to deploy the airbags based on things
like vehicle speed, steering inputs, breaking inputs, things like that,
and that data is stored.
Speaker 11 (53:42):
On the car that can be retrieved.
Speaker 14 (53:44):
In this particular crash, that data was retrieved by the
responding officers, and that is most likely the way that
they determined the impact speed and then also the way
that they determine the pre impact excess eleration that was
done by mister Baum.
Speaker 12 (54:03):
And his.
Speaker 14 (54:06):
Apparently completely absent attempt to avoid this crash.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Simly, I know that the arriving officer saw skid marks
and smoke.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
What does that mean?
Speaker 14 (54:18):
Okay, that may actually suggest a small maneuver or breaking
an attempt to potentially mitigate the crash. I'd have to
look into that even more. If it was a skid mark,
that would suggest potentially maybe a steering input or a
breaking input to decelerate slightly before impact.
Speaker 11 (54:41):
However, that also kind of.
Speaker 14 (54:43):
Depends on how the crash unfolded itself. The data will
provide a very solid basis for all of that.
Speaker 11 (54:53):
And the nice thing about that data.
Speaker 14 (54:55):
Is that you know, it's been admitted in many different
court cases. It's very solid. It's hard to argue that data.
I'm sure mister Jackson will probably make a very honest
attempt to kind of reduce the credibility of that data.
But it's just very solid. It's been used a lot,
and it's a very valuable piece of evidence.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Here to Ridget Thompson joining US roommate investie with the
crash victims, do you ever dream about them?
Speaker 8 (55:26):
Yes? I have had many dreams with them, and it
is an amazing feeling to feel like you get to
be with them one more time. But it's hard to
wake up and know it's just not the truth.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
In the dreams. What's happening? What are they saying?
Speaker 8 (55:44):
Sometimes they'll reassure us that they're okay. Sometimes they'll be like,
it's okay, I'm okay now. And I'll try do I
convince them to stay, and they'll be like, I have
to go back, I have to go back. It's a
(56:07):
really crazy feeling.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Karen Stark, what do these mean? What do these mean?
What's happening in the girls' psydechis.
Speaker 18 (56:16):
It's a case of them trying to preserve the friendship
with the girls. And this is actually wonderful because a
lot of people when they lose someone, they want to
dream about them. You have a chance to revisit, even
to say goodbye, which I'm going to suggest to both
of you that you tell yourself you want to do
(56:37):
that when you have the dream again to say goodbye
to them, and the whole idea of being with them again.
It's all beautiful and very very fortunate. I'm glad they're
having those dreams. I know that when you wake up
and may be upsetting, but take it like a message.
You know that your friends have come and they're visiting
with you.
Speaker 19 (56:57):
Pepperdine University seniors and Nevel Peyton Stewart, Osha Weir and
Deslin Williams, four Alpha PI sisters, get ready for a
Sigma Chai party at their apartment. The girls are incredibly close.
After moving in together sophomore year, the women connected freshman
year and became inseparable. The Pepperdine victims are a star athlete,
future vet TikTok intern, and an aspiring writer. Neive, a
(57:21):
twenty year old business student, was an excellent gymnast, cheerleader,
and pole vaulter. Who competed in the CICH Championship. Deslin
was on a pre veterinary track with deep empathy for animals.
Peyton spent her sophomore year at Pepperdine's London campus, landing
her dream internship with TikTok before returning to campus for
senior year. Asha was studying writing and passionate about the
(57:44):
dynamic landscapes of the fashion and music industries.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
I'm looking at a photo of the four victims, just
in the prime of their lives, just absolutely beautiful, their
whole lives in front of them, standing on the side
of the road, waiting to go to a fraternity mixer,
when they are mowed down by the defendant careening into
them in his lux BMW. According to police. In the
(58:13):
last days, a judge turns down the defendance request for
another bond reduction.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
Leaving in the courthouse.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
High profile lawyer Jackson says the judge's decision will not
deter the defense and that the defense team is quote
looking forward to our moment to get the truth out.
Speaker 8 (58:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
I'm looking forward to that too. We wait as justice unfals.
Goodbye Fred
Host
Nancy Grace
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