Just after 1 a.m., aspiring lawyer Lauren Mullins drives home after a night of drinking in Cambridge, Massachusetts. As an MIT police officer and a man on a moped slow for a red light, Mullins fails to brake. She crashes into the moped, sending it flying into the back of the police car.
The moped driver, 73-year-old Daniel O'Neil, is rushed to the hospital with serious injuries. Cambridge police find Mullins extremely intoxicated and belligerent. The Suffolk University law student is charged with operating under the influence, causing serious bodily injury and negligent operation of a vehicle.
Officers are unable to conduct a standardized field sobriety test due to Mullins' belligerent behavior, but they note her slurred speech and extreme unsteadiness. The 32-year-old has a history of alcohol-related arrests, with a record dating back to 2014. She has been arrested seven times in the past three years on charges ranging from disorderly conduct to aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer.
O'Neil initially survives but later succumbs to his injuries. Mullins now faces a motor vehicle homicide charge.
Joining Nancy Grace today,
- Jason Oshins - Defense Attorney
- Dr. John Delatorre - Licensed Psychologist and Mediator (specializing in forensic psychology); Psychological Consultant to Project Absentis: a nonprofit organization that searches for missing persons; Twitter, IG, and TikTok - @drjohndelatorre
- Dan Murphy - Former NYPD Detective-Sergeant, Joint Terrorism Task Force, Former Chief Security Officer, US Bancorp, Co-Host of "Gold Shields" Podcast,; Author: “Workplace Safety: Establishing an Effective Violence Prevention Program”
- Kimberly Cockrell - Victim Services Manager at Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) Website: MADD.ORG FB: Mothers Against Drunk Driving Insta: @maddnational
- Dr. Todd Barr - Board-Certified Anatomic/Clinical/Forensic Pathologist, Franklin County Forensic Science Center, Office of the Coroner in Columbus, Ohio; Featured in "Thin Places: Essays From In Between" by Jordan Kisner
- Sydney Sumner - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
So called Screaming Banshee is a female Suffolk law grad
who stinks oo of liquor, then mows down a victim dead,
and then calls the cop an effing idiot. I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Daniel O'Neill of, a loved realtor for Massachusetts, is also
a self proclaimed foodie and moped enthusiast.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
However, his life takes a tragic turn one feeful.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Night on the MIT campus.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I don't know that that's really correct.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
His life takes a tragic turn light He had something
to do with it. This guy is beloved and he
belongs to a little moped group out mopeading around the
city when he meets his death, in other words, when
he meets the defendant Lauren Moans. Let me be the
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one to introduce you to the so called Screaming Bansheet.
You'll see why.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Like to dreams.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
It can smell on your breath.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You can't smell somebody's breath. You're what's your name? My name?
My name is Lauren. Your name is I have a
degree and I will destroy you.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Listen, you saw me.
Speaker 7 (01:36):
On the streets.
Speaker 8 (01:37):
Why are you running on the streets right now?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Right now?
Speaker 9 (01:41):
You have annoyed because all you guys wearing strong like cologne.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Can I get that into evidence as a statement? It
was certainly voluntary, which is a requirement under the law
if the person doesn't have their Miranda rights.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Okay, whoa wait man? Who is this woman?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
While Mullen seems to be a brilliant student, accepting several
internships with the Massachusetts House of Representatives, the thirty two
year old has a history of alcohol related arrest the
two most recent of the crash earning her the nickname
Screaming Banshee. Mullens has a rap sheet dating all the
way back to twenty fourteen, with seven arrests in the
last three years, the charges ranging from disorderly conduct to
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aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Straight out to crime stories investigative reporter of Sydney Center,
why are you calling her brilliant?
Speaker 10 (02:32):
Well, Nancy can't be verified by her grades, but Lauren
Mullens has an extremely high end education. She's grown up
going to this prestigious boarding school. Now she's at Boston
University and then Suffolk College of law. She's graduated from
each of these with flying colors. She's been involved in
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all of these societies for it.
Speaker 11 (02:57):
Just stop.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
You just said you don't have her grades, but you
said flying colors smart to.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Get in law school. You don't have any idiots were
in law school with me.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I'm like, what are they talking about? They didn't know
what they were talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
They somehow massed to Eeke and to law school.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Okay, you're saying she's brilliant because she got some internships
at the Massachusetts House of Representatives. They were probably her
drinking buddy, Sydney. But that said, I think I know
somebody that agrees with you. Sidney Sumner was.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Crazy smarter than all you combined. I have a lot
Agreement's gonna be upset.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Rhymes.
Speaker 10 (03:45):
Get your sands off me.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Okay, well, I've got so much to show you, but
I'm gonna have to see that one more time in
case you don't know. It means. It means I'm smarter
than all you combined. I have a lodge great whoa.
I got to hear that again.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Brodie was crazy smart than all you combined.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
I have a lot agree.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
He's going to be upset to day your fands off me. Yes, Sydney,
I see what you're saying now, brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You're the one that said that, you're the one brilliant,
brilliant student accepting several internships with the Massachusetts South of Rips.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You got anything else for me, Sydney? Did you hear her.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
By value?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Did you hear that?
Speaker 10 (04:40):
Well? Nancy is clearly not evidenced by her behavior. It's
nuts that this woman goes from being this day to
day student, she just passed her bar, she's studying all
the time, working herself, putting herself through school, to this
to this whole horrible behavior screaming at crops. You are
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just trying to help her.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
As much as I'd love to keep listening and watching
Lauren Mullins, the brilliant law student, Sidney Summer keeps talking
about who worked your way through school at a as
a bartender, I'm sure that didn't help anything. I noticed
that no one has mentioned the victim. What about him,
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the dead victim?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
It's unbelievable really that this happened to him and he
was just a great guy, I mean, a great friend,
you know, he just he just didn't deserve that.
Speaker 9 (05:41):
Has since learned at the beginning of this week that
on Sunday mister and Neils to come to his injuries
as a result of the crash.
Speaker 10 (05:50):
At the hands of the defendant.
Speaker 9 (05:52):
At this point, the Commonwealth is investigating this seat down,
no longer dresses and operating under the influence with serious
bottle injury. But also now that there's been a homicide,
the defendant is facing much more serious charges out of
the Superior Court with much more serious penelties.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
The first lady you heard speaking about the dead victim
mode down mining his own business, didn't even know what
hit him, was from our friends at WHDH that victim
named Daniel O'Neill.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Sidney Sumner.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I'm going to go out on a limb, even though
you called Mullins brilliant and ask you, what can you
tell me about the victim. Wasn't he part of a
He's a senior, I know that, and he had a
lot of hobbies and one thing he loved was that
he was part of this little group, a little moped group,
and they would drive their mopeds around the city of
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Boston and get together or have lunches and dinners and
that's what he was doing that night. Said, what else
can you tell me about Daniel Nancy?
Speaker 10 (06:55):
Well, what we know about Daniel is that he doesn't
have any children of his own, but he has nine
siblings who all have their own children, and he's extremely
close with his many nieces and nephews. And yes, Daniel
lived in Boston for a lot of his life. He
moved there after graduating from college in Indiana, and he
was an extremely successful realtor in that area. Outside of work,
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Daniel loved to travel and he loved to collect art
and try food. His family calls him a fouti. And yes,
this moped group was even mentioned in his obituary. This
is something that he committed a lot of time to
and made really great friends and memories from.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Joining me is an all star panel to make sense
of what we're learning right now. But I want to
go out to longtime colleague and friend, defense attorney.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
This is one of his.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Expertise, Jason Ocean, renowned New York defense attorney, also practices
in multiple jurisdictions. You know, Jason, do you know who
Daniel reminds me of? The Twins' math tutor? Really miss Williams. Yeah,
Miss Williams had children. They're all grown up and living
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in different areas of the country, but they love going
to Miss Williams. And I got to the point, Jason
that I described to you at some point you've got
children and grown now. I got tired of hiding in
the closet googling the math answers, so I had to
get a pro And it's Miss Williams. And do you know, Jason,
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that when we have a good supper, they go, let's
take son to Miss Williams tonight. They love Miss Williams.
She's like an auntie or a grandma to them.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
They love her. I mean deeply, deeply.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
You know, a lot of their grandparents have passed on
and they've latched on to Miss Williams. And that's the
way Daniel is with all of.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
His nieces and nephews. They absolutely love him.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And I'm thinking, I know it's Daniel O'Neill, but I'm
thinking about Miss Willilliams out on her moped with her
little moped group getting mowed down by this POC technical
legal term.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It's just what are you going to do with this
in court?
Speaker 8 (09:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (09:10):
This Nancy, you and I both know that many, many cases,
most of them do get get sorted out in some ways.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
First of all, you know, I hate it when you
say you know. First of all, you know, don't tell
me what I know, okay, because I know she should
get a life sentence instead of her having her liquor stinking.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Self out on bond. Right now, That's what I know.
Why somebody for her bond, but.
Speaker 11 (09:37):
That she presumption is bond and the ability to return
to court. It's not prejudicial as to whether or not
the crime is committed or you know, we understand that
what bond works. But nonetheless she doesn't present well. Those
videos of her and and previous encounters with the law
certainly prejudicial.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Previous fuss why you just tell it like it is.
Speaker 11 (10:05):
She's been busted, he has a criminal history. But you
and I both know prosecutor and defense that cases get
worked out.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
This case calls out.
Speaker 11 (10:14):
For some sort of uh sense worked out in advance.
As a defense attorney, I don't know that I want
to risk her go on a trial. As you describe
the victims, certainly so valued a member of his family,
even though without children. You know, those things play hard
in a jury's mind as you know, and I would say,
(10:36):
it's a case that I try to work out with
the District attorney's office. She's going to face jail time,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
A I can oh.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
You know, the great late Alexander Pope wrote a little knowledge.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Is a dangerous thing, and boy say that again.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
She'll throw out a couple of legal phrases every once
in a while and let me debunk or debrief you on.
When Jason Ocean said that's why he wins so many cases,
he said, she's had several previous encounters with law enforcement. Translation,
she's been busted a lot in the past. Then he goes,
this is the case it screams to be worked out.
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In other words, he wants a cheap plea.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I can see him coming.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I could see you, Jason Oceans, when I was practicing law.
I could see one of the let's just say silk
stocking lawyers, which means the on a three thousand dollars
r money suit and the literally silk socks coming down
the hall with their designer briefcase with adul shine to it,
not too shiny, but just the right amount of shining,
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you know, not classless, but just barely gleaming, and they
would want to quote work it out. Okay, And no, guys,
we are talking about a woman, a law grad at
prestigious Suffolk University. I'm sure they're proud tonight has everything
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at her disposal, everything the future in front of her.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
But and listen to her.
Speaker 9 (12:15):
Like two dreams, and they were like, you can't go
outside with that, like a little you need to get
uber A cow officer were unable to conduct a standardized
fields the brit cost away. It should also be noted
that officers were unable to conduct a standardized field sobriety
test due to the defense for literate nature and behavior.
But they did not that she had blurred speech and
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that she was extremely unsteady on her feet, and she
was belligerent throughout the entire arrest process.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Joining me In addition to Sidney Sumner, who calls the
defendant brilliant and Jayson notions veteran trial lawyer and multiple jurisdictions,
Dan Murphy is joining me for a reason. Former NYPD
detective sergeant, Joint Terrorism Test Force, former chief security officer,
US Bank, co host of gold Shields, author of workplace Safety. Okay,
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I can go on and on, but Dan Murphy, enough
about your resume? Can I just want you to hear
something you heard the prosecutor stand up in court and.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
This, this is, this hurts. She says.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
The officers were unable to do a field sobriety test.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, I want.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
That field sobriety test so I can then show it
and describe it to a jury.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But wait for it, Dan Murphy, I wonder.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Why they couldn't do a sobriety Listen, I want a lawyer.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
I'm not talking to you.
Speaker 10 (13:41):
I am not talking to you, absolutely none lawyer.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
About I don't care.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I don't know if you can your monitor, Dan, But
there the cops are like standing back watching her like
spew like she's mount vesuvious.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Okay, one more thing, listen to this.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Listen awesome, I'm such a horn suspeg.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
I am so.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah. Well that's the things. You guys are a train
and YPD.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
And if you guys are scared of one hundred and
twenty five pound woman, yeah better.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
You're a whole book, Laura.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
You know where you are yet?
Speaker 6 (14:31):
But yeah, I know where I am.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So I just said, yeah, shut the up. Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
So she's screaming, I want a lawyer. She refused to
take a breathalyzer. She's screaming, don't touch me. That's an assault.
I will sue you.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I'm smarter than all of you. I'm a law grat. Yeah,
you know what.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I would just put her and her bony rear end
into that cruiser and send her straight to the can.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
That's where she needs to be.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
They could do a BAC there, they could take her
blood there, have fun with that.
Speaker 12 (15:04):
That's right, that's right. She's refusing to cooperate with any
of the procedural norms that take place when someone's arrested
for EUI. At that moment she gets brought in, he's
brought to the hospital first, because you always want to
make sure she's not in danger of alcohol poisoning with
someone who's this intoxicated, Fendy, and then blood's gonna get
she wants to or that's for the courts, and the
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blood will be the evidence against the plus this, I mean,
this willlone.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Wait wait a minute, Dan, you mean I can't prove
this case by just rolling the body cam out.
Speaker 12 (15:37):
Oh yeah you can, but you can, absolutely, Yeah, But
there's always going to be some kind of defense that
she was on a medication that did this. But anybody
with the brain is going to look at this and
say she's smashed.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
The MIT campus becomes the site of a harrowing accident
when Daniel O'Neill, while waiting at a red light on
his mopead, is struck by a speeding vehicle.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Okay, right there, that's the problem. It was not an accident.
It was a crash caused by the defendant's inebriation.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Drunk.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
She smelled like liquor a mile away, and yet she
told the cops they stump of cologne.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I would have put her in cuffs right the end.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Joining me, special guest, Kimberly Cockrel victim services manager, Mad
Mothers against drunk driving. Kimberly, this was not an accident.
I hate when people say it was an accident. It
was her decision to drink, drink, drink, drink, drink, one
drink after the next, get her car, keys, get into
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her car, crank it up, reverse it, put it in drive,
and hit the street.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And this guy, this beloved senior in.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
His little moped group, was at a red light.
Speaker 8 (16:58):
He was basically a fixed on This is not an accident.
These are never accidents, Nancy. These are crashes, They are collisions.
These are things that happened because people make choices. Daniel
made a choice that night.
Speaker 10 (17:13):
He made a.
Speaker 8 (17:13):
Choice to go out on his mopad, which is something
he normally does, and he broke no laws. He was
just going to do something he normally does. Unfortunately, it
looks like this woman was doing exactly what she normally
does as well. She was out, she was intoxicated, she
was under the influence, and she was behind the wheel
of a car. She never should have been behind the
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wheel of that car. You are correct. This is a
crash and it ended this man's life too.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Jason Ocean is joining me veteran trial lawyer in this
jurisdiction and many others. This is one of his specialties.
Jason Ocean's just we go back a long way, So
take off your defense hat just for a moment. Have
you noticed that when a victim is killed by a
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drunk driver, somehow that's treated differently in court than if, say,
the defendant took out a knife and stabbed them in
the gut and they bled out on the.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Sidewalk, But the victim is still dead.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
All of the family is still mourning, the friends in shock.
He was at a red light, completely still stopped when
his life.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Ended, just like that.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
But it's true there are certain cases, and I don't
understand the differentiation, that are treated as less severe and
vehicular homicide is one duy homicide. Very often when the
victim is an infant, you see a man slaughter.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
What the baby.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Crying just drove the dad crazy, so we had to
kill it. No, No, this is one of those Why
is that, Jason?
Speaker 11 (18:56):
You don't an It's a really good societal question that
you and I think we look at these things, especially
involving a vehicle vehicular homicide recent tragedy in New York
over the weekend with two children killed in a driver
going fifty in a twenty five but not facing murder
or you know, stronger chargers as a result of the
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egregiousness and the history of bad driving here the same thing.
We don't societally have enough strength in our state laws
that look at it, and it only takes these tragedies
are enough by profile cases where their possibility is a
chance of stronger vehicular homicide. And I think being alcohol
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being a legal drug, I think people put themselves in
that space that you know that that could be then
and they look at those cases and there's a leniency
to those and people get off on a lesser charge
or lesser lesser length of conviction than they would As
you said with a.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You're actually making my teeth hurt. Isn't that a sign
of a heart attack?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Jason? Somehow you took my question and you mangled it
and you threw it.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Back at me, and somehow you seem to be blaming
society for what this woman did.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
M you said, it's a societal issue. I don't even
know what that means. A societal had.
Speaker 11 (20:30):
Enough state laws that strengthen these things.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Let me give you a little reality check, Oceans. What
is the max you can get on habitual violator homicide?
Speaker 11 (20:40):
Twenty five life?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Did I hear the word life? Twenty yeah? Twenty five
to life?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You kind of went twenty five to life. Okay, there
you go. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Kimberly Cockrel. Why
is habitual violator? That is a dui offender that's done
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it over and over and over and meny jurisdiction. It
takes your fifth your fourth or fifth d UI until
you're charged with HV habitual violator. She is a habitual
violator in my mind because this is at least her
fourth ar Hey, Sydney, how many arrests has this woman had.
Speaker 10 (21:28):
Been arrests in the last three years? Nancy?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Seven?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oh, there we go, assault on l e. Jan twenty three,
disorderly conduct. I'm sure she was drunk October twenty four,
disorderly conduct twenty five, duy twenty five three times in
the last year to be an HB habitual violator. I
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think you have more. You have to have more than three.
Oh wait, let me drink this in for a moment.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
You don't me you reason mere?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
So I'm in the same areaadio.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
They I don't land.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Here's twenty twenty I just.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Moved here in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
So what are we even talking about?
Speaker 10 (22:24):
Speaking off?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Okay, Sydney.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
We just showed sound of her drunken, abusive in front
of a Christmas tree.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
What is that? Nancy?
Speaker 10 (22:35):
That's January second of twenty twenty three. When Mullen's neighbors
called police because she was harassing them. There was some
constant issue going on between them and Mullens comes home
so drunk that she won't stop knocking on their door
and let this issue lie. So craps are called and
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there's no crime. They're just trying to make sure that
she's okay. At this point, they see how intoxicated she is.
They realize she won't leave her neighbors alone might end
up actually committing a crime. So CoP's determined that she
needs to go to the hospital, and that's when Mullen
starts freaking out, losing her mind.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You know what's interesting, Doctor John Delatori is joining US Psychologists.
Mediator specializes in forensic psychology, a psychological consultant to Project absence.
It's a nonprofit. You can find him at Doctor John Delatory,
Doctor Delatory.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
We were just showing her in her.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Apartment and the dichotomy was, let me just say jolting
because you say her all that, but her apartment is
really pretty and it's neat as a pin and the
Christmas tree is perfectly decorated, and the dichotomy between her
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own personal behavior and where she lives, the fact that
she has graduated from Suffolk Law School, she's held down
several internships. A lot of people would not be able
to let me just say, make those two mesh right
to reconcile the chaos in her life versus the seemingly
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neatness and orderliness of everything around her.
Speaker 13 (24:34):
Yeah, Nancy, and I want to be clear, she made
the choice to drink alcohol, but what does she tell
all of us watching her is the disastrous nature that
alcohol can have on a person. She is clearly someone
that can manage her life outside of alcohol, but the
moment she takes just one sip, it has to be five, six,
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ten drinks, probably hard liquor. She probably believes that wine
is the oak thing, that it's going to be the
thing that brings her down. But for her, everything is
about getting that next drink to calm herself down or
to get herself going. Otherwise, she probably wouldn't be engaging
in any of these behaviors. But the moment she takes
a drink this her whole world falls apart, and she
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takes people with her. She harms other people, and the
legal system doesn't seem to be willing to say no
to put her in a position where she's no longer
a danger to herself or the community.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
We're blurring that because she starts stripping off all of
her clothes.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Okay, yeah, and I don't want to see that.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But doctor Delatory, everything you said makes sense, except I
don't understand.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I mean, I'm just a JD. I'm not an MD.
I'm not a shrink like you.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It's hard for me to reconcile how she keeps everything
else in her life compartmentalized in such order. I mean,
if you look at everything in her home, it's neatly
stacked up, it's perfectly arranged, nothing's out of place.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
But her life is chaos.
Speaker 13 (26:00):
The duality of alcoholism. Now, I'm not going to say
that it's a disease or anything like that. I'm just
saying that her issue is primarily related to the very
moment that she takes a drink.
Speaker 10 (26:09):
Alcohol.
Speaker 13 (26:10):
Anything else she can manage well. She is intelligent enough,
brilliant maybe to manage the normal personal affairs. But when
that alcoholism takes over, she becomes something else. She becomes
something much more dangerous, both to herself and to the
world around her. No one is safe when she starts drinking.
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No one, and the only way that she can actually
live a healthy life is through abstinence, and she refuses
to do that.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Police arrest Lauren Mullins, a recent Suffolk law graduate, for
operating under the influence after her SUV slams into O'Neill's moped,
sending him careening into a nearby police vehicle.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
What is he talking about operating under the influence. The
victim is dead. He flew through the air and died. Okay,
so this is upgraded to a homicide charge.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Now I want you to hear.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
We've got so many arrests of her screaming at the
cops that bodycam.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Thank you for bodycam because.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Very often juries don't believe when officers describe what happened.
Now we actually have bodycam. Her rep sheet spans multiple states.
It includes assaulting officers, disorderly conduct, driving under the influence,
Kimberly Cockrell joining us from mad Mods.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Against drunk driving.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Unless you put a violator in locked down, either in
jail or a halfway house, they are not going to
go to rehab or they would have already done it.
Speaker 8 (27:47):
Absolutely, we have this problem all the time. This is
with almost every case I deal with. And what is
really sad about this it's her defense attorney and her
arraignment said that her issues are quote unquote curable, he said, curable.
I want to know at what point he determined that,
because her record goes all the way back to twenty fourteen,
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that was maybe when he had a shot at that.
But the egregious behavior that she exhibits on these body cans,
that is something that this family, the family of Daniel O'Neill,
has to look at that and listen to that over
and over and over again, knowing that if it would
have been curable, and if she would have been stopped before,
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Daniel O'Neill would still be here.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Speaking ah Moan's defense attorney here he is.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
Should she get out? She can't drink anymore, ever, she
can't drive anymore for a very very long time, but
home confinement. This is not an eighteen year old gang kid.
And I suggest that even given the record that you
see before you, your honor, it is recent, it's not
a lifetime of it, and it is durable and mediable,
whether it takes years or every decades. Forgive them that,
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your honner, I asked. The change has not been sufficient
to justify one hundred thousand dollars task real you.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Know, Jason Oceans. The judge typically has the full file
in front of her, him on the bench. In other words,
all the wrap sheet everything, and here you get the
defense attorney. Should she get out, which, by the way,
the judge allowed bell. Should she get out? She can't
drink anymore? Ever, Okay, her record starts at twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
We're going on, what is that?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
That's eleven years she's been arrested over and over. It's curable.
That's not what Kimberly Cockle just says, and he wants
a bond.
Speaker 11 (29:43):
I think he's phrasing in a way defense councils do
to portray his flying in the best light and establish
some basis that she'll return to court and that home
confinement to the ability not to drive will suffice in
terms of the ability for her to cause any more
harm to the community, which seems to be when she's
drinking and driving. So eliminating that in home confinement and
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the promise that she'll return to cord for all of
her hearings and was sufficient for the judge to establish bail.
That's really all that the defense counsel did, just creating
that element there.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
That's all. Yeah, I don't even know what you just said.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Let's see the video of her in her home screaming
at the police home confinement, my rear end home confinement.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
She was berating.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And that's not in her home. Oh, that's outside of
her home. There we go in front of the Christmas tree.
Merry Christmas, cops, you're about to get a big present.
I can't hear her. There she is there, she is
in all her splendor and glory. You know, Dan Murphy
joining me, former NYPD detective sergeant co Host gold Shields.
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The way she rips into these police officers, calling them,
telling them to suck her well, I'm going to get
bleeped d c K calling them the P word.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Do I need to spell that for you?
Speaker 10 (31:07):
Dan?
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Just this?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
If that threatening them, do they get paid enough for that?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Really?
Speaker 12 (31:17):
No, you simply don't get paid enough to put up
with this. And frankly, I've dealt with this so many times.
She is a blackout drunk. She does not remember what
she's saying. She won't remember this tomorrow morning when she
wakes up in a sell and never arrested people from
up to and including murder who did not remember what
they did.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
That's how bad.
Speaker 12 (31:35):
I don't care, Nancy.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I only don't care.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
That's how bad she is.
Speaker 12 (31:39):
Drunk, That's how bad she is. She's a threat to everybody.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
You know who else I want to lock up tonight
the judge, Judge David Frank, Yeah, I'm talking about you.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Listen to this guy.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
I am going to order that if the defender were
to be where to post the bail and be released,
but she'd be on a GPS with home confinement device,
and that she surrender her passleboard.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Oh you showed her she's getting out on bond with
a GPS around her ankle. She'll cut that out in
a New York minute and surrender her passport. Really, Kimberly,
talkrel Can you help me out here? What is wrong
with this judge? How many people does she have to
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mow down? How many cops does she have to assault?
How many cops does she have to insult? Before she
goes to jail?
Speaker 8 (32:31):
Nancy, this is something I'd struggle with every day. With
my position, I have judges right and left, letting offenders
out we are successful sometimes and keeping them in until
they are scheduled to go, you know, before another judge
at that point for their trial or for their plea
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and we've been successful in the past and keeping several
in for a couple of years because their crimes were
just that egregious and they had killed just that many people.
We had air in South Carolina where we lost three girls,
three out of four in the car. We were successful
in keeping that woman in prison, excuse me, in jail
until her prison term began. But it is few and
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far between. The majority of these judges let them out
on bond and let me explain about house arrests. That's fine,
except for the fact that they don't always stay at home.
I've had one leave before and go out and get
another DUI while he was on house arrest. These people
don't care. They care about themselves. And when she broke
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down in the courtroom crying before well, she has to
lift out her the fact that she's a budding attorney
and that she sat for the sat for her her
law degree so that she could become an attorney. She
brings that out before she anything's even mentioned about the
victim in that arraignment. She wants to get her law
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degree out there because that's privilege, thinking that's going to
make the judge care about her more. The judge shouldn't
care about her at that point. Give her due process,
but care more about the victim.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
If you never let.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
Me Annie, or you'll never win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
For either?
Speaker 8 (34:38):
Are you any rims? I am the wife of an
NFL player.
Speaker 10 (34:55):
Yo.
Speaker 12 (34:56):
You anything? Relax?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
She just called the cops fing p word.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Whoa Okay, Doctor Todd Barr, I'm just a JD again.
You're the MD. Doctor Todd Barr, joining US Special Guest
Board certified Anatomic Clinical forensic pathologist, Franklin County Forensic Science Center,
Office of the Coroner in Columbus, Ohio. Featured in Thin
Places Essays from in between. Doctor Barr helped me. They
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could never get a blood alcohol on her because she
was so volatile. And we hear her saying, I'm the
wife of an NFL player.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
You're never going to win the super Bowl. Now, this
is just.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Before the Philly Eagles Chiefs Super Bowl, so she clearly
knows the date.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Well, what time of the year it is?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You know, when I, for instance, had a child victim
on this and they did not know when the incident occurred,
I'd say, what was the Christmas tree?
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Up?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Was the Easter Bundy coming was Halloween? Did you have
a Halloween outfit? So we could narrow down the date.
She knows when it is You're never going to win
a Super.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Bowl if you don't let me out. I'm the wife
of an NFL player. That's before she calls the cops.
Fing piece.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Okay, so how drunk is she? Doctor Burr, I don't
have a blood alcohol for you.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Well, that's a very difficult question to ask an answer
because certain people. When I was in medical school and
rotated through the emergency department, we had a woman that
came in and her blood alcohol was point four or
five and she was walking and talking like a normal person.
So that shows you that it's quite variable. Someone that
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doesn't drink and is a lightweight could have this type
of behavior with a point one point five or a
point two alcohol BAC. But people who binge drink, and
this woman probably has done, develops a certain level of
tolerance over the years, and that's why over the years
we can see them actually reach much higher blood alcohol
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contents like point three point four. But the fact that
this woman was in the commission of a crime. She
was driving under the influence, which is a felony crime
in most states, and particularly when injuries occur, as it
did in this case, and then ultimately the gentleman passed
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a day or two later. And so it is unfortunate
that they don't have a BAC on this woman for
any of her offenses. But I would say she's pretty
high up there, Doctor Todd.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Barr joining us out of Ohio, Dodgor Barr. The legal
limit in that jurisdiction in Massachusetts point zero eight.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Let's just go with five to five and one hundred
and thirty five pounds. How do you how much do
you have to drink to point b point zero eight.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
And a woman one hundred and twenty five pounds, probably
about two drinks will get you to that limit.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I'm interested in what you said, doctor Barr, about how
when you were in med school you had a woman
that was point four or five, I think you said,
and she was walking and talking. I assume you mean coherently.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Yes, fairly coherently.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I like this correct.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
I agree with Whoevers earlier about blacking out. I believe
she was so inebriated that she just doesn't even have
a concept of where she is or what she's doing.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
That's not a She certainly knows enough to throw around
legal jargon.
Speaker 14 (38:35):
Lawsuit, a law grad I'm smarter than you. You enticed
me that. She goes on and on and on throwing
out legalisms. So she obviously knows something. She knows that
the super Bowl is about to happen. She knows to
threaten the cops. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Now this may be anecdotal, not based on any statistical study,
but doctor Barr, how much do you have to drink
to your skin actually stinks of.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Alcol Usually people that you know consume one or two beverages,
they're not going to be reeking of alcohol. You know,
once you get into that, you're starting to do shots,
and you know the pores are just exuding the We
noticed this that autopsy. To be honest with you, when
we have a decedent that has consumed a large quantity
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of alcohol, when we're doing an autopsy, we can smell
it seeping out of the skin at the autopsy table.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Dodger Barr question. I've had a lot of witnesses. I'll say,
have you been drinking? Because I don't want to put
somebody drunk on the stand, and they go no, and
I like, I'm smelling your breath, and I would get
close to them, and their breath didn't smell of alcohol.
It was their skin. They actually used the smell of alcohol.
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And you just told me you've cut some people open
before on autopsy and it just like like a fine wine.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
You could just smell the booze. I got to hear this.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
Well, clearly they're not breathing right because they're on an
autopsy table, so there's no air exchange. We're not getting
it from them expelling air into the room. It's actually
oozing out of all of their pores. And these volatile
gases that are involved in alcohol they do, they vaporize
and they go out into the environment and they come
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out through the pores.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I just want you to hear her. Everyone's talking about
she's black.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
To ask.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
You don't know what she's doing here. She's threatening a lawsuit.
Speaker 12 (40:32):
No, that's not.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
The body camp, it's not light up. Oh wow, that's
another law.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Suit coming, she says, that's another lawsuit coming, and it
ain't over yet.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Listen. Oh please, that's another look. Oh please, I can't
leave love that of our dam. That's another loss.
Speaker 13 (41:01):
You's coming that's another loss to come in.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
That's another line. Do coming you take it so funny?
Speaker 6 (41:09):
That's all you do?
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Why so long as Easy did not move? Because you're
moving around.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
It's easy.
Speaker 10 (41:18):
They say it was me easy without somebody that going
into that.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
She did pass the bar exam.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
As doctor Delatory explained earlier, I don't know how to
explain the dichotomy in her, but I.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Do know this.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
The victim is dead, flew through the air to his death,
and the judge granted bond. And that's okay. If you
know or think you know anything about this case. The
state is still putting together their case. Please dial six
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one seven three four nine thirty three hundred. Repeat six one, seven,
three four nine thirty three hundred.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
So called Screaming Banshee is a female Suffolk law grad
who stinks oo of liquor, then mows down a victim dead,
and then calls the cop an effing idiot. I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Daniel O'Neill of, a loved realtor for Massachusetts, is also
a self proclaimed foodie and moped enthusiast.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
However, his life takes a tragic turn one feeful.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Night on the MIT campus.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I don't know that that's really correct.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
His life takes a tragic turn light He had something
to do with it. This guy is beloved and he
belongs to a little moped group out mopeading around the
city when he meets his death, in other words, when
he meets the defendant Lauren Moans. Let me be the
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one to introduce you to the so called Screaming Bansheet.
You'll see why.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Like to dreams.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
It can smell on your breath.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You can't smell somebody's breath. You're what's your name? My name?
My name is Lauren. Your name is I have a
degree and I will destroy you.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Listen, you saw me.
Speaker 7 (01:36):
On the streets.
Speaker 8 (01:37):
Why are you running on the streets right now?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Right now?
Speaker 9 (01:41):
You have annoyed because all you guys wearing strong like cologne.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Can I get that into evidence as a statement? It
was certainly voluntary, which is a requirement under the law
if the person doesn't have their Miranda rights.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Okay, whoa wait man? Who is this woman?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
While Mullen seems to be a brilliant student, accepting several
internships with the Massachusetts House of Representatives, the thirty two
year old has a history of alcohol related arrest the
two most recent of the crash earning her the nickname
Screaming Banshee. Mullens has a rap sheet dating all the
way back to twenty fourteen, with seven arrests in the
last three years, the charges ranging from disorderly conduct to
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aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Straight out to crime stories investigative reporter of Sydney Center,
why are you calling her brilliant?
Speaker 10 (02:32):
Well, Nancy can't be verified by her grades, but Lauren
Mullens has an extremely high end education. She's grown up
going to this prestigious boarding school. Now she's at Boston
University and then Suffolk College of law. She's graduated from
each of these with flying colors. She's been involved in
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all of these societies for it.
Speaker 11 (02:57):
Just stop.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
You just said you don't have her grades, but you
said flying colors smart to.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Get in law school. You don't have any idiots were
in law school with me.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I'm like, what are they talking about? They didn't know
what they were talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
They somehow massed to Eeke and to law school.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Okay, you're saying she's brilliant because she got some internships
at the Massachusetts House of Representatives. They were probably her
drinking buddy, Sydney. But that said, I think I know
somebody that agrees with you. Sidney Sumner was.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Crazy smarter than all you combined. I have a lot
Agreement's gonna be upset.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Rhymes.
Speaker 10 (03:45):
Get your sands off me.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Okay, well, I've got so much to show you, but
I'm gonna have to see that one more time in
case you don't know. It means. It means I'm smarter
than all you combined. I have a lodge great whoa.
I got to hear that again.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Brodie was crazy smart than all you combined.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
I have a lot agree.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
He's going to be upset to day your fands off me. Yes, Sydney,
I see what you're saying now, brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You're the one that said that, you're the one brilliant,
brilliant student accepting several internships with the Massachusetts South of Rips.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You got anything else for me, Sydney? Did you hear her.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
By value?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Did you hear that?
Speaker 10 (04:40):
Well? Nancy is clearly not evidenced by her behavior. It's
nuts that this woman goes from being this day to
day student, she just passed her bar, she's studying all
the time, working herself, putting herself through school, to this
to this whole horrible behavior screaming at crops. You are
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just trying to help her.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
As much as I'd love to keep listening and watching
Lauren Mullins, the brilliant law student, Sidney Summer keeps talking
about who worked your way through school at a as
a bartender, I'm sure that didn't help anything. I noticed
that no one has mentioned the victim. What about him,
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the dead victim?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
It's unbelievable really that this happened to him and he
was just a great guy, I mean, a great friend,
you know, he just he just didn't deserve that.
Speaker 9 (05:41):
Has since learned at the beginning of this week that
on Sunday mister and Neils to come to his injuries
as a result of the crash.
Speaker 10 (05:50):
At the hands of the defendant.
Speaker 9 (05:52):
At this point, the Commonwealth is investigating this seat down,
no longer dresses and operating under the influence with serious
bottle injury. But also now that there's been a homicide,
the defendant is facing much more serious charges out of
the Superior Court with much more serious penelties.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
The first lady you heard speaking about the dead victim
mode down mining his own business, didn't even know what
hit him, was from our friends at WHDH that victim
named Daniel O'Neill.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Sidney Sumner.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I'm going to go out on a limb, even though
you called Mullins brilliant and ask you, what can you
tell me about the victim. Wasn't he part of a
He's a senior, I know that, and he had a
lot of hobbies and one thing he loved was that
he was part of this little group, a little moped group,
and they would drive their mopeds around the city of
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Boston and get together or have lunches and dinners and
that's what he was doing that night. Said, what else
can you tell me about Daniel Nancy?
Speaker 10 (06:55):
Well, what we know about Daniel is that he doesn't
have any children of his own, but he has nine
siblings who all have their own children, and he's extremely
close with his many nieces and nephews. And yes, Daniel
lived in Boston for a lot of his life. He
moved there after graduating from college in Indiana, and he
was an extremely successful realtor in that area. Outside of work,
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Daniel loved to travel and he loved to collect art
and try food. His family calls him a fouti. And yes,
this moped group was even mentioned in his obituary. This
is something that he committed a lot of time to
and made really great friends and memories from.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Joining me is an all star panel to make sense
of what we're learning right now. But I want to
go out to longtime colleague and friend, defense attorney.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
This is one of his.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Expertise, Jason Ocean, renowned New York defense attorney, also practices
in multiple jurisdictions. You know, Jason, do you know who
Daniel reminds me of? The Twins' math tutor? Really miss Williams. Yeah,
Miss Williams had children. They're all grown up and living
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in different areas of the country, but they love going
to Miss Williams. And I got to the point, Jason
that I described to you at some point you've got
children and grown now. I got tired of hiding in
the closet googling the math answers, so I had to
get a pro And it's Miss Williams. And do you know, Jason,
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that when we have a good supper, they go, let's
take son to Miss Williams tonight. They love Miss Williams.
She's like an auntie or a grandma to them.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
They love her. I mean deeply, deeply.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
You know, a lot of their grandparents have passed on
and they've latched on to Miss Williams. And that's the
way Daniel is with all of.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
His nieces and nephews. They absolutely love him.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And I'm thinking, I know it's Daniel O'Neill, but I'm
thinking about Miss Willilliams out on her moped with her
little moped group getting mowed down by this POC technical
legal term.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It's just what are you going to do with this
in court?
Speaker 8 (09:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 11 (09:10):
This Nancy, you and I both know that many, many cases,
most of them do get get sorted out in some ways.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
First of all, you know, I hate it when you
say you know. First of all, you know, don't tell
me what I know, okay, because I know she should
get a life sentence instead of her having her liquor stinking.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Self out on bond. Right now, That's what I know.
Why somebody for her bond, but.
Speaker 11 (09:37):
That she presumption is bond and the ability to return
to court. It's not prejudicial as to whether or not
the crime is committed or you know, we understand that
what bond works. But nonetheless she doesn't present well. Those
videos of her and and previous encounters with the law
certainly prejudicial.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Previous fuss why you just tell it like it is.
Speaker 11 (10:05):
She's been busted, he has a criminal history. But you
and I both know prosecutor and defense that cases get
worked out.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
This case calls out.
Speaker 11 (10:14):
For some sort of uh sense worked out in advance.
As a defense attorney, I don't know that I want
to risk her go on a trial. As you describe
the victims, certainly so valued a member of his family,
even though without children. You know, those things play hard
in a jury's mind as you know, and I would say,
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it's a case that I try to work out with
the District attorney's office. She's going to face jail time,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
A I can oh.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
You know, the great late Alexander Pope wrote a little knowledge.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Is a dangerous thing, and boy say that again.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
She'll throw out a couple of legal phrases every once
in a while and let me debunk or debrief you on.
When Jason Ocean said that's why he wins so many cases,
he said, she's had several previous encounters with law enforcement. Translation,
she's been busted a lot in the past. Then he goes,
this is the case it screams to be worked out.
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In other words, he wants a cheap plea.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I can see him coming.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I could see you, Jason Oceans, when I was practicing law.
I could see one of the let's just say silk
stocking lawyers, which means the on a three thousand dollars
r money suit and the literally silk socks coming down
the hall with their designer briefcase with adul shine to it,
not too shiny, but just the right amount of shining,
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you know, not classless, but just barely gleaming, and they
would want to quote work it out. Okay, And no, guys,
we are talking about a woman, a law grad at
prestigious Suffolk University. I'm sure they're proud tonight has everything
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at her disposal, everything the future in front of her.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
But and listen to her.
Speaker 9 (12:15):
Like two dreams, and they were like, you can't go
outside with that, like a little you need to get
uber A cow officer were unable to conduct a standardized
fields the brit cost away. It should also be noted
that officers were unable to conduct a standardized field sobriety
test due to the defense for literate nature and behavior.
But they did not that she had blurred speech and
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that she was extremely unsteady on her feet, and she
was belligerent throughout the entire arrest process.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Joining me In addition to Sidney Sumner, who calls the
defendant brilliant and Jayson notions veteran trial lawyer and multiple jurisdictions,
Dan Murphy is joining me for a reason. Former NYPD
detective sergeant, Joint Terrorism Test Force, former chief security officer,
US Bank, co host of gold Shields, author of workplace Safety. Okay,
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I can go on and on, but Dan Murphy, enough
about your resume? Can I just want you to hear
something you heard the prosecutor stand up in court and.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
This, this is, this hurts. She says.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
The officers were unable to do a field sobriety test.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, I want.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
That field sobriety test so I can then show it
and describe it to a jury.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
But wait for it, Dan Murphy, I wonder.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Why they couldn't do a sobriety Listen, I want a lawyer.
Speaker 6 (13:39):
I'm not talking to you.
Speaker 10 (13:41):
I am not talking to you, absolutely none lawyer.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
About I don't care.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I don't know if you can your monitor, Dan, But
there the cops are like standing back watching her like
spew like she's mount vesuvious.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Okay, one more thing, listen to this.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Listen awesome, I'm such a horn suspeg.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
I am so.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah. Well that's the things. You guys are a train
and YPD.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
And if you guys are scared of one hundred and
twenty five pound woman, yeah better.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
You're a whole book, Laura.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
You know where you are yet?
Speaker 6 (14:31):
But yeah, I know where I am.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So I just said, yeah, shut the up. Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
So she's screaming, I want a lawyer. She refused to
take a breathalyzer. She's screaming, don't touch me. That's an assault.
I will sue you.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I'm smarter than all of you. I'm a law grat. Yeah,
you know what.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I would just put her and her bony rear end
into that cruiser and send her straight to the can.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
That's where she needs to be.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
They could do a BAC there, they could take her
blood there, have fun with that.
Speaker 12 (15:04):
That's right, that's right. She's refusing to cooperate with any
of the procedural norms that take place when someone's arrested
for EUI. At that moment she gets brought in, he's
brought to the hospital first, because you always want to
make sure she's not in danger of alcohol poisoning with
someone who's this intoxicated, Fendy, and then blood's gonna get
she wants to or that's for the courts, and the
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blood will be the evidence against the plus this, I mean,
this willlone.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Wait wait a minute, Dan, you mean I can't prove
this case by just rolling the body cam out.
Speaker 12 (15:37):
Oh yeah you can, but you can, absolutely, Yeah, But
there's always going to be some kind of defense that
she was on a medication that did this. But anybody
with the brain is going to look at this and
say she's smashed.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
The MIT campus becomes the site of a harrowing accident
when Daniel O'Neill, while waiting at a red light on
his mopead, is struck by a speeding vehicle.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Okay, right there, that's the problem. It was not an accident.
It was a crash caused by the defendant's inebriation.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Drunk.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
She smelled like liquor a mile away, and yet she
told the cops they stump of cologne.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I would have put her in cuffs right the end.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Joining me, special guest, Kimberly Cockrel victim services manager, Mad
Mothers against drunk driving. Kimberly, this was not an accident.
I hate when people say it was an accident. It
was her decision to drink, drink, drink, drink, drink, one
drink after the next, get her car, keys, get into
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her car, crank it up, reverse it, put it in drive,
and hit the street.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And this guy, this beloved senior in.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
His little moped group, was at a red light.
Speaker 8 (16:58):
He was basically a fixed on This is not an accident.
These are never accidents, Nancy. These are crashes, They are collisions.
These are things that happened because people make choices. Daniel
made a choice that night.
Speaker 10 (17:13):
He made a.
Speaker 8 (17:13):
Choice to go out on his mopad, which is something
he normally does, and he broke no laws. He was
just going to do something he normally does. Unfortunately, it
looks like this woman was doing exactly what she normally
does as well. She was out, she was intoxicated, she
was under the influence, and she was behind the wheel
of a car. She never should have been behind the
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wheel of that car. You are correct. This is a
crash and it ended this man's life too.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Jason Ocean is joining me veteran trial lawyer in this
jurisdiction and many others. This is one of his specialties.
Jason Ocean's just we go back a long way, So
take off your defense hat just for a moment. Have
you noticed that when a victim is killed by a
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drunk driver, somehow that's treated differently in court than if, say,
the defendant took out a knife and stabbed them in
the gut and they bled out on the.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Sidewalk, But the victim is still dead.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
All of the family is still mourning, the friends in shock.
He was at a red light, completely still stopped when
his life.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Ended, just like that.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
But it's true there are certain cases, and I don't
understand the differentiation, that are treated as less severe and
vehicular homicide is one duy homicide. Very often when the
victim is an infant, you see a man slaughter.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
What the baby.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Crying just drove the dad crazy, so we had to
kill it. No, No, this is one of those Why
is that, Jason?
Speaker 11 (18:56):
You don't an It's a really good societal question that
you and I think we look at these things, especially
involving a vehicle vehicular homicide recent tragedy in New York
over the weekend with two children killed in a driver
going fifty in a twenty five but not facing murder
or you know, stronger chargers as a result of the
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egregiousness and the history of bad driving here the same thing.
We don't societally have enough strength in our state laws
that look at it, and it only takes these tragedies
are enough by profile cases where their possibility is a
chance of stronger vehicular homicide. And I think being alcohol
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being a legal drug, I think people put themselves in
that space that you know that that could be then
and they look at those cases and there's a leniency
to those and people get off on a lesser charge
or lesser lesser length of conviction than they would As
you said with a.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You're actually making my teeth hurt. Isn't that a sign
of a heart attack?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Jason? Somehow you took my question and you mangled it
and you threw it.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Back at me, and somehow you seem to be blaming
society for what this woman did.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
M you said, it's a societal issue. I don't even
know what that means. A societal had.
Speaker 11 (20:30):
Enough state laws that strengthen these things.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Let me give you a little reality check, Oceans. What
is the max you can get on habitual violator homicide?
Speaker 11 (20:40):
Twenty five life?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Did I hear the word life? Twenty yeah? Twenty five
to life?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You kind of went twenty five to life. Okay, there
you go. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Kimberly Cockrel. Why
is habitual violator? That is a dui offender that's done
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it over and over and over and meny jurisdiction. It
takes your fifth your fourth or fifth d UI until
you're charged with HV habitual violator. She is a habitual
violator in my mind because this is at least her
fourth ar Hey, Sydney, how many arrests has this woman had.
Speaker 10 (21:28):
Been arrests in the last three years? Nancy?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Seven?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oh, there we go, assault on l e. Jan twenty three,
disorderly conduct. I'm sure she was drunk October twenty four,
disorderly conduct twenty five, duy twenty five three times in
the last year to be an HB habitual violator. I
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think you have more. You have to have more than three.
Oh wait, let me drink this in for a moment.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
You don't me you reason mere?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
So I'm in the same areaadio.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
They I don't land.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Here's twenty twenty I just.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Moved here in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
So what are we even talking about?
Speaker 10 (22:24):
Speaking off?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Okay, Sydney.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
We just showed sound of her drunken, abusive in front
of a Christmas tree.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
What is that? Nancy?
Speaker 10 (22:35):
That's January second of twenty twenty three. When Mullen's neighbors
called police because she was harassing them. There was some
constant issue going on between them and Mullens comes home
so drunk that she won't stop knocking on their door
and let this issue lie. So craps are called and
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there's no crime. They're just trying to make sure that
she's okay. At this point, they see how intoxicated she is.
They realize she won't leave her neighbors alone might end
up actually committing a crime. So CoP's determined that she
needs to go to the hospital, and that's when Mullen
starts freaking out, losing her mind.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
You know what's interesting, Doctor John Delatori is joining US Psychologists.
Mediator specializes in forensic psychology, a psychological consultant to Project absence.
It's a nonprofit. You can find him at Doctor John Delatory,
Doctor Delatory.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
We were just showing her in her.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Apartment and the dichotomy was, let me just say jolting
because you say her all that, but her apartment is
really pretty and it's neat as a pin and the
Christmas tree is perfectly decorated, and the dichotomy between her
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own personal behavior and where she lives, the fact that
she has graduated from Suffolk Law School, she's held down
several internships. A lot of people would not be able
to let me just say, make those two mesh right
to reconcile the chaos in her life versus the seemingly
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neatness and orderliness of everything around her.
Speaker 13 (24:34):
Yeah, Nancy, and I want to be clear, she made
the choice to drink alcohol, but what does she tell
all of us watching her is the disastrous nature that
alcohol can have on a person. She is clearly someone
that can manage her life outside of alcohol, but the
moment she takes just one sip, it has to be five, six,
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ten drinks, probably hard liquor. She probably believes that wine
is the oak thing, that it's going to be the
thing that brings her down. But for her, everything is
about getting that next drink to calm herself down or
to get herself going. Otherwise, she probably wouldn't be engaging
in any of these behaviors. But the moment she takes
a drink this her whole world falls apart, and she
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takes people with her. She harms other people, and the
legal system doesn't seem to be willing to say no
to put her in a position where she's no longer
a danger to herself or the community.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
We're blurring that because she starts stripping off all of
her clothes.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Okay, yeah, and I don't want to see that.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
But doctor Delatory, everything you said makes sense, except I
don't understand.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I mean, I'm just a JD. I'm not an MD.
I'm not a shrink like you.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It's hard for me to reconcile how she keeps everything
else in her life compartmentalized in such order. I mean,
if you look at everything in her home, it's neatly
stacked up, it's perfectly arranged, nothing's out of place.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
But her life is chaos.
Speaker 13 (26:00):
The duality of alcoholism. Now, I'm not going to say
that it's a disease or anything like that. I'm just
saying that her issue is primarily related to the very
moment that she takes a drink.
Speaker 10 (26:09):
Alcohol.
Speaker 13 (26:10):
Anything else she can manage well. She is intelligent enough,
brilliant maybe to manage the normal personal affairs. But when
that alcoholism takes over, she becomes something else. She becomes
something much more dangerous, both to herself and to the
world around her. No one is safe when she starts drinking.
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No one, and the only way that she can actually
live a healthy life is through abstinence, and she refuses
to do that.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Police arrest Lauren Mullins, a recent Suffolk law graduate, for
operating under the influence after her SUV slams into O'Neill's moped,
sending him careening into a nearby police vehicle.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
What is he talking about operating under the influence. The
victim is dead. He flew through the air and died. Okay,
so this is upgraded to a homicide charge.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Now I want you to hear.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
We've got so many arrests of her screaming at the
cops that bodycam.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Thank you for bodycam because.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Very often juries don't believe when officers describe what happened.
Now we actually have bodycam. Her rep sheet spans multiple states.
It includes assaulting officers, disorderly conduct, driving under the influence,
Kimberly Cockrell joining us from mad Mods.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Against drunk driving.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Unless you put a violator in locked down, either in
jail or a halfway house, they are not going to
go to rehab or they would have already done it.
Speaker 8 (27:47):
Absolutely, we have this problem all the time. This is
with almost every case I deal with. And what is
really sad about this it's her defense attorney and her
arraignment said that her issues are quote unquote curable, he said, curable.
I want to know at what point he determined that,
because her record goes all the way back to twenty fourteen,
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that was maybe when he had a shot at that.
But the egregious behavior that she exhibits on these body cans,
that is something that this family, the family of Daniel O'Neill,
has to look at that and listen to that over
and over and over again, knowing that if it would
have been curable, and if she would have been stopped before,
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Daniel O'Neill would still be here.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Speaking ah Moan's defense attorney here he is.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
Should she get out? She can't drink anymore, ever, she
can't drive anymore for a very very long time, but
home confinement. This is not an eighteen year old gang kid.
And I suggest that even given the record that you
see before you, your honor, it is recent, it's not
a lifetime of it, and it is durable and mediable,
whether it takes years or every decades. Forgive them that,
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your honner, I asked. The change has not been sufficient
to justify one hundred thousand dollars task real you.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Know, Jason Oceans. The judge typically has the full file
in front of her, him on the bench. In other words,
all the wrap sheet everything, and here you get the
defense attorney. Should she get out, which, by the way,
the judge allowed bell. Should she get out? She can't
drink anymore? Ever, Okay, her record starts at twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
We're going on, what is that?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
That's eleven years she's been arrested over and over. It's curable.
That's not what Kimberly Cockle just says, and he wants
a bond.
Speaker 11 (29:43):
I think he's phrasing in a way defense councils do
to portray his flying in the best light and establish
some basis that she'll return to court and that home
confinement to the ability not to drive will suffice in
terms of the ability for her to cause any more
harm to the community, which seems to be when she's
drinking and driving. So eliminating that in home confinement and
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the promise that she'll return to cord for all of
her hearings and was sufficient for the judge to establish bail.
That's really all that the defense counsel did, just creating
that element there.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
That's all. Yeah, I don't even know what you just said.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Let's see the video of her in her home screaming
at the police home confinement, my rear end home confinement.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
She was berating.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And that's not in her home. Oh, that's outside of
her home. There we go in front of the Christmas tree.
Merry Christmas, cops, you're about to get a big present.
I can't hear her. There she is there, she is
in all her splendor and glory. You know, Dan Murphy
joining me, former NYPD detective sergeant co Host gold Shields.
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The way she rips into these police officers, calling them,
telling them to suck her well, I'm going to get
bleeped d c K calling them the P word.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Do I need to spell that for you?
Speaker 10 (31:07):
Dan?
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Just this?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
If that threatening them, do they get paid enough for that?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Really?
Speaker 12 (31:17):
No, you simply don't get paid enough to put up
with this. And frankly, I've dealt with this so many times.
She is a blackout drunk. She does not remember what
she's saying. She won't remember this tomorrow morning when she
wakes up in a sell and never arrested people from
up to and including murder who did not remember what
they did.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
That's how bad.
Speaker 12 (31:35):
I don't care, Nancy.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I only don't care.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
That's how bad she is.
Speaker 12 (31:39):
Drunk, That's how bad she is. She's a threat to everybody.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
You know who else I want to lock up tonight
the judge, Judge David Frank, Yeah, I'm talking about you.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Listen to this guy.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
I am going to order that if the defender were
to be where to post the bail and be released,
but she'd be on a GPS with home confinement device,
and that she surrender her passleboard.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Oh you showed her she's getting out on bond with
a GPS around her ankle. She'll cut that out in
a New York minute and surrender her passport. Really, Kimberly,
talkrel Can you help me out here? What is wrong
with this judge? How many people does she have to
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mow down? How many cops does she have to assault?
How many cops does she have to insult? Before she
goes to jail?
Speaker 8 (32:31):
Nancy, this is something I'd struggle with every day. With
my position, I have judges right and left, letting offenders
out we are successful sometimes and keeping them in until
they are scheduled to go, you know, before another judge
at that point for their trial or for their plea
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and we've been successful in the past and keeping several
in for a couple of years because their crimes were
just that egregious and they had killed just that many people.
We had air in South Carolina where we lost three girls,
three out of four in the car. We were successful
in keeping that woman in prison, excuse me, in jail
until her prison term began. But it is few and
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far between. The majority of these judges let them out
on bond and let me explain about house arrests. That's fine,
except for the fact that they don't always stay at home.
I've had one leave before and go out and get
another DUI while he was on house arrest. These people
don't care. They care about themselves. And when she broke
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down in the courtroom crying before well, she has to
lift out her the fact that she's a budding attorney
and that she sat for the sat for her her
law degree so that she could become an attorney. She
brings that out before she anything's even mentioned about the
victim in that arraignment. She wants to get her law
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degree out there because that's privilege, thinking that's going to
make the judge care about her more. The judge shouldn't
care about her at that point. Give her due process,
but care more about the victim.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
If you never let.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
Me Annie, or you'll never win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
For either?
Speaker 8 (34:38):
Are you any rims? I am the wife of an
NFL player.
Speaker 10 (34:55):
Yo.
Speaker 12 (34:56):
You anything? Relax?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
She just called the cops fing p word.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Whoa Okay, Doctor Todd Barr, I'm just a JD again.
You're the MD. Doctor Todd Barr, joining US Special Guest
Board certified Anatomic Clinical forensic pathologist, Franklin County Forensic Science Center,
Office of the Coroner in Columbus, Ohio. Featured in Thin
Places Essays from in between. Doctor Barr helped me. They
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could never get a blood alcohol on her because she
was so volatile. And we hear her saying, I'm the
wife of an NFL player.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
You're never going to win the super Bowl. Now, this
is just.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Before the Philly Eagles Chiefs Super Bowl, so she clearly
knows the date.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Well, what time of the year it is?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You know, when I, for instance, had a child victim
on this and they did not know when the incident occurred,
I'd say, what was the Christmas tree?
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Up?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Was the Easter Bundy coming was Halloween? Did you have
a Halloween outfit? So we could narrow down the date.
She knows when it is You're never going to win
a Super.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Bowl if you don't let me out. I'm the wife
of an NFL player. That's before she calls the cops.
Fing piece.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Okay, so how drunk is she? Doctor Burr, I don't
have a blood alcohol for you.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Well, that's a very difficult question to ask an answer
because certain people. When I was in medical school and
rotated through the emergency department, we had a woman that
came in and her blood alcohol was point four or
five and she was walking and talking like a normal person.
So that shows you that it's quite variable. Someone that
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doesn't drink and is a lightweight could have this type
of behavior with a point one point five or a
point two alcohol BAC. But people who binge drink, and
this woman probably has done, develops a certain level of
tolerance over the years, and that's why over the years
we can see them actually reach much higher blood alcohol
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contents like point three point four. But the fact that
this woman was in the commission of a crime. She
was driving under the influence, which is a felony crime
in most states, and particularly when injuries occur, as it
did in this case, and then ultimately the gentleman passed
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a day or two later. And so it is unfortunate
that they don't have a BAC on this woman for
any of her offenses. But I would say she's pretty
high up there, Doctor Todd.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Barr joining us out of Ohio, Dodgor Barr. The legal
limit in that jurisdiction in Massachusetts point zero eight.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Let's just go with five to five and one hundred
and thirty five pounds. How do you how much do
you have to drink to point b point zero eight.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
And a woman one hundred and twenty five pounds, probably
about two drinks will get you to that limit.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I'm interested in what you said, doctor Barr, about how
when you were in med school you had a woman
that was point four or five, I think you said,
and she was walking and talking. I assume you mean coherently.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Yes, fairly coherently.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I like this correct.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
I agree with Whoevers earlier about blacking out. I believe
she was so inebriated that she just doesn't even have
a concept of where she is or what she's doing.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
That's not a She certainly knows enough to throw around
legal jargon.
Speaker 14 (38:35):
Lawsuit, a law grad I'm smarter than you. You enticed
me that. She goes on and on and on throwing
out legalisms. So she obviously knows something. She knows that
the super Bowl is about to happen. She knows to
threaten the cops. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Now this may be anecdotal, not based on any statistical study,
but doctor Barr, how much do you have to drink
to your skin actually stinks of.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Alcol Usually people that you know consume one or two beverages,
they're not going to be reeking of alcohol. You know,
once you get into that, you're starting to do shots,
and you know the pores are just exuding the We
noticed this that autopsy. To be honest with you, when
we have a decedent that has consumed a large quantity
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of alcohol, when we're doing an autopsy, we can smell
it seeping out of the skin at the autopsy table.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Dodger Barr question. I've had a lot of witnesses. I'll say,
have you been drinking? Because I don't want to put
somebody drunk on the stand, and they go no, and
I like, I'm smelling your breath, and I would get
close to them, and their breath didn't smell of alcohol.
It was their skin. They actually used the smell of alcohol.
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And you just told me you've cut some people open
before on autopsy and it just like like a fine wine.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
You could just smell the booze. I got to hear this.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
Well, clearly they're not breathing right because they're on an
autopsy table, so there's no air exchange. We're not getting
it from them expelling air into the room. It's actually
oozing out of all of their pores. And these volatile
gases that are involved in alcohol they do, they vaporize
and they go out into the environment and they come
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out through the pores.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I just want you to hear her. Everyone's talking about
she's black.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
To ask.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
You don't know what she's doing here. She's threatening a lawsuit.
Speaker 12 (40:32):
No, that's not.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
The body camp, it's not light up. Oh wow, that's
another law.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Suit coming, she says, that's another lawsuit coming, and it
ain't over yet.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Listen. Oh please, that's another look. Oh please, I can't
leave love that of our dam. That's another loss.
Speaker 13 (41:01):
You's coming that's another loss to come in.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
That's another line. Do coming you take it so funny?
Speaker 6 (41:09):
That's all you do?
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Why so long as Easy did not move? Because you're
moving around.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
It's easy.
Speaker 10 (41:18):
They say it was me easy without somebody that going
into that.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
She did pass the bar exam.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
As doctor Delatory explained earlier, I don't know how to
explain the dichotomy in her, but I.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Do know this.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
The victim is dead, flew through the air to his death,
and the judge granted bond. And that's okay. If you
know or think you know anything about this case. The
state is still putting together their case. Please dial six
(41:54):
one seven three four nine thirty three hundred. Repeat six one, seven,
three four nine thirty three hundred.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,
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