February 2, 2022 • 42 mins
The bodies of five women are now linked to a serial killer dubbed the "shopping cart killer." Anthony Robinson, 35, is charged with two of the murders, but more counts are expected. Investigators believe Robinson met his victims through dating websites, then in at least four cases, lured them to a motel he is known to stay.
Police said video surveillance and cell phone records connect Robinson to the deaths. He can be seen on surveillance video with some of the victims and then is seen moving the bodies using a shopping cart.
Police in 35 jurisdictions are looking at their unsolved murders for connections. Robinson is being held on two counts of first-degree murder in addition to two felony counts of concealing, transporting, or altering a dead body.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Bronwyn Blake - Adjunct Professor, University of Texas School of Law, Chief Legal Officer, Texas Advocacy Project, Founder: Teen Justice Initiative (advocating for teen victims of dating violence)
- Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, (Atlanta GA) www.angelaarnoldmd.com, Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University, Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital
- Lisa M. Dadio - Former Police Lieutenant, New Haven Police Department, Senior Lecturer, Director of the "Center for Advanced Policing" at the University of New Haven's Forensic Science Department
- Dr. Michelle DuPre - Former Forensic Pathologist, Medical Examiner, and Detective: Lexington County Sheriff's Department, Author: "Homicide Investigation Field Guide" & "Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide", Forensic Consultant DMichelleDupreMD.com
- Alexis Tereszcuk - CrimeOnline.com Investigative Reporter, Writer/Fact Checker, Lead Stories dot Com, Twitter: @swimmie2009
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace one, two, three, four, five
dead bodies that we know of. Are they connected to
the same serial killer? Is the same serial killer connected
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to thirty five repeat thirty five other jurisdiction murders. That's
what we know right now. What will we learn? I
Nancy Grace this Crime Stories, Thank you for being with
us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven.
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First of all, take a listen to please Chief Kevin Davis.
We have a serial killer. The challenge that remains is
identifying other victims, and we're going to talk about that
at great length. Our serial killer is called the shopping
cart killer. He's called the shopping cart killer because he
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meets his victims, and so far we have three are
positively two or positively identified, one is tentatively identified, and
one is unknown. He meets his victims on dating sites.
He meets his victims then at motels, and we'll talk
about a motel that he met two of his victims
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at here in Fairfax County. After he inflicts trauma to
his victims and kills them, he transports their bodies to
their final resting place, literally in a shopping cart. You know,
if you parse the police chief Kevin Davis's words, quote,
we have a serial killer. Very often police chiefs and
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law enforcement don't want to tell the public they think
they've got a serial killer. But we figured it out,
so I guess they had to go ahead and announce it.
They can't identify all the victims, which is a big problem.
I prosecuted a Jane Doe murder before, and you don't
know who she is, where she's from, what her patterns are,
who she knows, who she may have come in contact with.
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Very difficult to prosecuted Jane Doe murder. We also know
dating sites are involved. And then after as you hear
him say, inflicting trauma to them, what does that mean?
Slice them up, torture them, bludging them. He then murders
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them and transports their bodies to their final resting place,
literally in a shopping cart. Now why does that offend
me so much? Not just the murder, but then putting
them in a shopping cart like they're saca potatoes, and
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then carting them off and just leaving them somewhere. Have
you ever driven or walked anywhere and seen abandoned shopping carts?
I see them all the time, and I can identify
that's a home depot, that's the Kroger, that's the public.
That's this about at Walmart? A dead body, A woman's
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body just left out in the open on a busy
street as shopping cart, like she's a pound of flower.
I mean, what does that tell us about the killer?
And now he may be connected to thirty five separate
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jurisdictions with a size. Again, I'm Nancy Grayson. This is
Crime Stories, and as always, we thank you for being
with us, sharing your time with us as we investigate
hardcore crime with me and all star panel to make
sense of what we know right now. First of all,
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Professor University Texas School of Law, Chief Legal Officer Texas
Advocacy Project, Bronwyn Blake and Bronwin I need to get
a website for you so I can look you up online.
Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us out of the
Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Professor Psychiatry,
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Lisa Daddio, former police Lieutenant Newhaan, PD, lecturer and Director
of the Center for Advanced Policing, a University New Haven's
Forensic Science Department. Doctor Michelle Duprie, longtime friend and college
forensic pathologists, former medical examiner, detective and she literally wrote
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the book or the books Homicide Investigation Field Guide, which
I love that book and Investigating Child to Bees Field
Guide also great. But first let's go to crime online
dot Com investigative reporter Alexis terrest check Alexis. First of all,
I want you to hear this our cut three more
from police Chief Kevin Davis. We believe that there may
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be other victims in the area and throughout the Commonwealth
of Virginia, and we need to act now. We need
to act right now with our law enforce and partners
to figure out who else our killer has had contact
with and what's his m O. Dating sites, motels, blunt force, trauma,
shopping cart, final resting place. He's killed four already and
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we suspect that he has more victims. He's a predator,
as all serial killers are, and it's our collective effort
in law enforcement to do everything we can with each other,
with the community to identify other places where he has
been so we can bring closure and ultimately justice. He
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prays on the week he preys on the vulnerable, our
shopping cart killer does unspeakable things with his victims. This
guy gets around. I do not believe these murders are copycats, Alexis.
Trust Chuck. Tell me the signature style the shopping cart
killer uses. So he meets these women on dating sites,
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so this is online. He meets them there a couple.
He's using plenty of fish and tagged two differents. Plenty
of fish and what tagged like? You're tagged in a
picture tj dged tagged Yeah. Isn't plenty of fish a
Christian day website? I think it was in the beginning.
I think everybody is welcome though, well, Alexis, that's what
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Christianity is all about. Everybody is welcome. But I still
think of it as a Christian dating app because I
guess that's how it started. And then I thought you
were saying tag But it's tagged like tag you're it
well put? So he's that. That tells me something right there,
And I don't want to interrupt your flow. But to
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doctor Angel Arnold, this is not like some thug standing
in a corner waiting for a woman to walk by
and then he grabs her and kills her. This guy's
more sophisticated than that he's actually going online. He is
selecting a certain type of woman, be she white or black,
or tall or short, or you know, brunette or blonde.
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He's picking a certain type, I believe, and luring them.
That's fairly sophisticated. I mean, I see the bulk arders
are not nearly that sophisticated. Doctor Angie, right, you know, Nancy,
I think that he's luring anybody that will swipe back
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and and accept his invitation. I'm I'm not so sure
if he has a type. It's just so unfortunate that
he is able to get into these into these dating
apps that everybody uses. Now thirty percent of adults in
the US have said they have used online dating apps.
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Can you believe that Nancy, David and I got set
up on a blind date. It's ubiquitous in our society now,
isn't it? But can I tell you something? Nobody poo
poo dating sites. Because my nephew, who's really a smart guy,
double major in college and let's see chemistry and it
and now he's an IT troublesheeter for a big corporation.
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He met his wife on a dating app. They're perfectly happy.
I forgot how many years they've been married. Now they
have a beautiful little boy. I mean, it works so right,
I'm not surprised at that figure. And if they didn't work, Nancy,
they wouldn't still be around, and more and more wouldn't
be created. But women still need to be so careful
and they can't throw caution to the wound when they're
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using these dating apps. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
we are talking about a guy, and of course it's
a guy. You know, people say, are you a man hater? No,
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I'm not a man hater. I just hate murderers. Back
to you, Alexis Rustchuck so dating app. I'm still waiting
to hear how shopping cart gets into it. But take
it from there. I don't want to leave anything out.
Go ahead. Alexis so mess women on dating apps. In fact,
one of them he was. It seems there was more
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than one date. He actually had met her family, so
they were It wasn't just we meet on a dating app.
Let's meet up, let's go to a motel together, and
he kills them there. What happens is he's establishing a
relationship with one of them. Then this is where the
mote where I said motel. He has been seen at
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a motel at least six times and victims that police
have started realizing that the victims were also at this hotel.
So explain to me, because that's a little odd to you.
Rom and Blake joining me a Jump Professor University Texas
School of Law. Rom And, of course all martyrs are
odd in their own way. But the fact that he
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would actually develop a relationship with one of his victims,
that is unusual because typically victims of serial killers are
treated as inanimate objects like trophies. The fact that he
would actually date one of them on more than one asian,
I find that to be very unusual. I agree with you, Nancy.
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I think if we just look at this as a
serial killer, or even use those words shopping cart killer,
that's really disceasing because we have to look at the
fact of this tape. And you and I both know
abusive people can be very charming. It can be tricky
to spot. So if we just hear about want force
traumat it's hard to go back and think how did
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this begin. Abusive people know how to prey on vulnerability.
Many of these women maybe they needed love and companionship,
and this is somebody who they thought could deliver those things.
Doctor Angela was sharing that this is a predator. Chief
Kevin dave Us was saying, this is a predator. It
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seems almost like a dirty John situation to me that
this person you could possibly have been charming them online.
Take a listen to our cut eight. This is our friend,
Sierra Fox at Fox five DC and August, investigators have
found four bodies and say all victims were killed with
blood forced trauma. The most recent human remains, discovered in
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a shopping cart in Alexandria, Virginia, are believed to be
twenty nine year old Cheyenne Brown, who was missing from
southeast DCN family help police identify Brown after recognizing her tattoo.
Investigators revealed she had been talking on a dating site
almost pregnant at the time of her death. Video from
the night she was killed shows Brown taking the Metro
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from DC to the Huntington Metro stop, but she never returned.
Detectives are holding off on releasing any video and photos
from the incident. Said this time, as they worked with
the victims families, you know when I worked in DC,
I took the metro. I can't even count how many
hundreds of times it likes us Urez chuck, that woman
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named Cheyenne Brown. You didn't get to the part about
how they end up in a shopping cart. So he
kills them. Where he has killed them, we are still
trying to find out what they are. They are found
near two of him were found together in the wood
near a motel in Virginia. The Moon in motel. Hey,
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can I just talk about this hotel? The Moon in
a hotel in Fairfax County looks like an old I
guess Antebellum mansion, but it does. I mean, when you
hear the word motel, you think of like some city
flop house in a bad area of town. Doesn't look
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like that at all to me. I mean, it's manicured
lawn and shrubbery, and this got the American flag flying
out front and wreaths on the door. It's immaculately kept up.
And then not far away, I see a picture of
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Oh I identified it's a target shopping cart and it
looks like it's down a ravine of sorts. So I
want to get back to the shopping cart aspect of
this to doctor Michelle dupre joining me, former medical examiner.
She's a forensic pathologist, Doctor Michelle Dupree. You ever see
anything like it? Absolutely, we had stuff like this in
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Miami and other large cities all the time. Oh, let's
talk about Miami. I'm all about crime in Miami because
of dexter yees and when I was fed, we had
a lot of cases in Miami, fraud cases. It was
what I was dealing with in Miami. Go ahead, I'm
all ears well, we had there was large homeless populations,
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for example, and so there were several times when we
had homeless go missing and nobody really tracked them. I mean,
nobody would miss them, so to speak. Sometimes it was
by luck that we even found out. But I remember
one specific case. It was a serial killer case. What
do you make of the wholes shopping cart aspect, Because
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that's staging the scene to the nth degree, And staging
does not have to be sophisticated. For instance, I'm putting
a blanket over the victim's face. I had a case
where the victim had been covered with leaves and branches.
Case where the perp tried to stage just seemed to
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look like a suicide set of a homicide, and would
not have figured that one out if it hadn't been
for blood spatter evidence. But it goes on and on.
It can be very sophisticated, or it can be like this,
putting your victim, I wonder if they were closed or unclothed,
and I wonder if they were raped or not, in
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a shopping cart and pushing it down a ravine. We're
hold on Alexis Terrestia, where all the bodies and shopping
carts found in a wooded area, or any of them
left on the street in a shopping cart. So far,
there are five victims that we know of. Four of
them were found in wooded areas or like an undeveloped
commercial parking lot out in the kind of the suburbs
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of DC, so in Virginia. But one woman was actually
found in a shopping cart, just a blanket over her
body by Union Station in Washington, DC, which is a
heavily trafficed area that you know, I told you to
the metro every when I was working in DC all
the time, That's where I would catch it right there
at Union Station and inside Union Station when I lived there,
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it was full of all sorts of high end restaurants
and those super expensive coffee shops and shops where they
saw nothing but hats and gloves and scarfs, like cashmere things,
that kind of of shopping. I would never even get
a coffee there because it would be like seven dollars
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forget it. But it's the dichotomy of that, Lisa da
As opposed to just outside there's a dead woman and
a shopping cart with a blanket over her. Yeah, it's just,
you know, it's tough. And again, I'm also very familiar
with Union Station down in DC, and it's the high
traffic of it. You have to take into account everything
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that's going on down there, and to see a shopping
cart with a blanket over not paying attention to the
cart itself, you may think it belongs to a nearby
homeless person or somebody who's belongings are there from a
homeless person. You're not thinking twice about the fact that
there may be a body in it, and no one's
paying attention to it, ignoring it, going about doing their
own business, you know, not even caring that somebody was
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dumped across the street from this high end train station.
You know, Doctor Angie you deal with female patients all
the time. What are we anyway? I feel like, why
is it always women which is treated like trash just
put out in a shopping cart and we left out
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there to decompose. But it is going on. This is
a serial killer. There's no telling how many women he's
done this too across the country. Well, I think it speaks, Nancy.
I think it speaks to women, and unfortunately, women are
typically the vulnerable ones. But I think it speaks to
women wanting someone to share their lives with and wanting
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someone to make them feel good. And they literally think,
you know, Nancy, everyone I talked to and here only
talks about meeting people on dating apps. They literally all
of my patients tell me that's the that is the
way people are meeting folks now. And I'm quite I'm
sure that this man was quite good at making these
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women feel good about themselves and that's why they and
that's why he was able to lure them to this place. Right. Well,
are you saying that he was charming? I bet you
he is charming. I'm sure he didn't tell them that
he was going to bang them over the head with
a sledge hammer. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Take a
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listen again to our Friendshierra Fox at Fox five in DC.
Our cut seven, Fairfax County Police Chief Heavin Davis says,
the shopping cart killer with me his victims on dating sites,
then motels before killing them, then taking their remains to
an undisclosed location and a shopping cart. For example, two
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days ago, Fairfax County Police found human remains in a
container near a shopping car in this isolated wooded area
here in Alexandria, Virginia along Britain Highway. He prays on
the week, he prays on the vulnerable, and he does
unspeakable things with his victim right along the highway, along
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the Richmond Highway. And again, this guy we believe is
connected to thirty five other jurisdictions. How many women has
he killed? Take a listen to our cut six w
j LA. Sadly, these remains were not alone in the container.
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The remains of another unknown identified individual were discovered. One
they're pretty sure as Brown's. The other they don't know.
But ass are there even more victims? We're only going
back a couple two or three months. That's it, and
that's what worries us. You know he didn't suddenly turn
into who he is three months ago. And the Fairfax
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Police at this point say that they believe that the
mystery victim is from this area, but they don't know
who it is. They would like the public's health, and
that's a whole another can of ORMs. Brahmin Blaine joining
me at Jet Professor University, Texas School of Law, prosecute
getting a Jane Joe murder man. That's hard to do, explain.
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If they're not able to identify this person, then it's
very difficult for them to quick evidence about what may
have happened before the crime. And you asked, Nancy, how
many women has this shopping cart killer killed? I would
ask about all of the living victims that when he
was still honing his techniques, people he tried to charm online,
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perhaps people he may be met up with briefly. I
think that when she's Kevin Davis is giving those press conference,
they're really want of these living victims to come forward
and help gather some of that evidence that may help
us figure out who that team going. You know, she's
got a really good point, Lisa Daddio, I guarantee you
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his first murder the serial killer was not his first
time at the Rodeo. I guarantee you he had either
raped or kidnapped or assaulted in some way a victim
who managed to live to tell the tale. Oh absolutely,
And you know to everyone and especially Chief Davis's, you know,
like what he's really trying to do is get the
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word out there to other women who have had contact
with him prior to him, you know, murdering, murdering his
first victim, which we know there are others, right, you
know what you're reminding me of right now, Lisa Daddy, Oh,
what's up? A guy I prosecuted and the victim, the
first victim, well she wasn't the first, but she was
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the only one that we could actually prove this guy
I believe was a serial killer. And I got to digging.
We never did identify the Jane Doe. Found out this
guy who we thought was the killer had a girlfriend
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that had kicked him out. So I found the girlfriend.
She looked almost identical to the reconstruction sketch we did
of the Jane Doe. That's not all I forgot how
I did it now, but I got some information that
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I needed to go to the folder County Women's jail. No, no, no,
it was in a neighboring county, I think Gwinnette and
I went up there and I found this woman. She
had been raped by the purp and he tried to
strangle her but he didn't succeed. So how valuable is that?
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Because the Jane Doe had been raped and strangled, the
girlfriend had been strangled and lived. It's just amazing the psychopathy,
the repetition of the same scenario over and over. There's
gotta be a psychiatric name for that, doctor Angel Arnold,
where you keep doing the same thing over and over
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and over. When a criminal does that for some type
of internal excitement, I guess her. Hey, I don't really
I don't really know if there's a name for that,
but I do believe there's a name for the person
who does it. And he's a sociopath. Well, I know,
a sociopath can be a lot of people. I'm talking
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about someone. Okay, here's a good example. Alexis rreschoke you
and I covered BTK buying torture killed Dennis Rader for
a long time serial killer. And I believe who's a dogcatcher?
I mean, right there, I don't like him, but I
believe he was a peeping tom and would peep on
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women on his dogcatching route. And then he graduated to
fulfilling his twisted fantasy and started murdering women and then
dressing them up post mortem along the lines of Charles Manson,
how he would do that to a lot of his victims.
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Long story short, doing the same thing over and over
and over. We see, that's what's happening here, and it's
a big clue as to the identity of the Purp
and Nancy. So the woman who was unidentified, she was
found with Cheyenne Brown. So these two women, their bodies
were found next to the charge shopping cart in a
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container in the woods. This woman had actually been staying
in the hotel. She went missing months before Cheyenne went missing.
Her family reported her missing, so she was staying in
the hotel. So this hotel is sort of at the
center of it all. Are you talking about the Moon Hotel? Yes,
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the Moon Moon in Gosh. You know, when you look
at it, it looks so quaint, but it's the center
of more than one of the serial killer's victim Take
a listen now to our cut nine from Fox five,
in the same container where Brown's remains were found police day,
another person's remains were also inside. That individual has not
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yet been identified. This investigation all started when two other
bodies were found in an open line Harrisonburg, Virginia, two women,
fifty four year old Aleen Redman and thirty nine year
old to Meeta Smith. The Harrisonburg police chief, Kelly Warner,
joined Fairfax County's police department at a news conference today.
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Both women were discovered within a short distance of each
other dead, although their deaths took place at two separate times.
Justice will prevail and the offender will be held accountable
for what he did. And we haven't ruled out there.
I'll use the plural term. Maybe what they did seeing
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the same mmodus operandi method of operation of rid of
the bodies. So he liked the one container where he
dumped a body near the Moon Inn, so he used
it again. So the discovery of these two bodies must
have been a horrible, horrible scene. One body had been
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there for some time. Take a lista nat to art
cut eleven Fox five. In December, human remains were found
in a plastic container near a shopping car in an
isolated wooded area along Richmond Highway and Alexandria, Virginia. Fairfax
County Police are now waiting for the DNA confirmation of
those two deaths. I checked in with the Medical Examiner's
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office today and they say both cases are still pending. However,
detectives believe one victim is twenty nine year old Cheyenne
Brown as Southeast DC after her family recognized the tattoo
of her name. The fourth victim could be a woman
from California, Stephanie Harrison. They are missing persons signs surrounding
the Moon and Hotel, where her sister tells Fox five
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she was staying last August. The families involved or heartbroken
that there could be more victims out there all of
a sudden. Here and four people just all of a sudden,
and then how many more are they're going to be?
I mean, I mean, in a way, I kind of
feel like there has to be more too, because you
don't just wake up one day and start doing that.
So true, so true, And let me understand this. Alexis
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terres Chuck. One victim had been staying there, the victim
for California. Back in August, they were missing person's missing
person flyers up. But yeah, this container was not that
far away. It wasn't and they had not I couldn't
find her. They didn't and it wasn't. And then after
Cheyenne went missing, that's when they started searching the area
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because they had done some police work to figure out
where her cell phone was and where she was staying,
things like that, and that's where they tried to doounce them.
They had the cadaver dogs and then they went to
this area. But yeah, there was a literally a missing
person's poster for this woman just right on the road
near the hotel. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Take a
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listen to our cut twelve jess Arnold, WUSA nine. Fairfax
County police say it was here right near the Moon
and at Alexandria, and they found the body of a
woman who they believe is twenty nine year old Cheyenne Brown.
She's one of four alleged victims of the so called
shopping cart killer who start hoping to confirm her identity
through DNA by the end of this week, but her
mom says she already knows it's her from her tattoo.
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This picture of twenty nine year old Cheyenne Brown and
her seven year old son, Juan, maybe one of the
last they shared. His grandmother says, he's struggling to understand
his mom is in heaven now, but he still picks
up the phone and he still tries the car, so
I know he doesn't really understand. Nicandra Brown says, on
September thirtieth, Cheyenne got on a metro bus in DC
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and disappeared in She was five months pregnant at the time,
calling you know, hospitals, checking for like Jane does or
don't identify women, and you know, checking the Morgan I
was a wreck. In early December, Fairfax County Police found
what they believe is Cheyenne's body. They suspect she's one
of at least four alleged victims of the shopping card killer.
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Take a listen to these names. Tanita Smith thirty nine,
Alene Redman fifty four. That's a big age difference and
the women that he's picking. So I think whoever said
it earlier, you're right, he's not picking a certain age
or a certain type. Cheyenne Brown twenty nine, with the
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little boy, the son who's still trying to call her
on her cell phone. Stephanie Harrison forty eight, Sonja Champ
forty was just found was discovered in September, but just
recently connected to the shopping card killer. It goes on
and on. They couldn't seem to catch him. Take a
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listen to our cut five SAM four w j LA
police and Harrisonburg found the bodies of fifty four year
old Eleene Elizabeth Redman of Harrisonburg and thirty nine year
old Tonita Lurice Smith of Charlottesville November twenty third, in
a vacant lot near a motel and Harrisonburg not far apart.
A Metropolitan PTPD contacted the Harrisonburg Major Crimes Division after
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Harrisonburg police said they saw him on surveillance with a
shopping cart. They arrested Robinson. DC police suspected a link
to Cheyenne Brown of Northeast DC, who disappeared September thirtieth.
Using digital GPS, police followed Brown and Robinson from the
Minnesota Avenue Metro station in DC to the Huntington Metro
station in Virginia. Fairfax police searched near the moon In
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motel and found a shopping cart next to it a
big plastic trash container, and they believe Brown's remains were inside.
Straight to you, Alexis Terres Schuck, So surveillance video of
a man pushing a shopping cart is what the case
it is. They finally they finally got it. They were
using I mean, just regular police investigation. They find the
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victim's cell phone, they see where they had been, where
they went. Now they realized she was at this motel.
So then they try to find surveillance video around there
or around where the other bodies were found, and they
see him on video. And here's the thing we talked about.
So you're saying he has been doing you know, these
are at least five that we know of. This isn't new.
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But what if he had never been caught. Well, amazingly,
this guy does not have a criminal record. But that
is not uncommon. I mean the reality. How many times
does a rapist or sex assault or assault before he's caught.
It's a staggering number. Some say between twelve, others say
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seventy times that they molest or assault before they're ever caught.
In the vast majority of women do not report six assaults. Why,
I'm not sure. I believe in their mind they feel
somehow responsible for the attack on themselves. Take a listen
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our cut ten Fox five. Fairfax County police want to
figure out how many times the shopping card killer stayed
here at the Mooned Hotel, to better figure out a
timeline of when these unfortunately events unfolded, and to see
if there are any more potential victims out there. You
may remember that to tect this day, he would meet
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his victims on data apps then locations like this before
doing unspeakable things to them. Today, I was able to
speak with the daughter of one of the victims, who
says she's still processing all of this all in the road.
Did that happen like it on TV? And I mean
it really is like exactly what goes on in the
shows right now, like everything that is happening, and it's
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kind of weird. Her mother is fifty four year old
Beth Redman. Her remains were found in a vacant law
and Harrison burd along with thirty nine year old to
meet a little Reese right now. Anthony Robinson is behind
bars and charged with two counts of first degree murder
and disposing the bodies of those two women. You were
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just hearing the daughter of one of the murdered victims. Now,
take a listen to the mother of one of the
murdered victims, our friends at WUSA nine, our cut thirteen.
I don't even know what words. It's just terrible. Police
have arrested thirty five year old Anthony Robinson for the murders.
When Ncandra's cousin saw his picture, she says he recognized
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him as a man Cheyenne had brought to their house before.
And I'm so angry, Like I don't even have tears anymore.
I'm just like, why would you do this to my daughter?
She didn't deserve that, you know. She was just so
full of life, and so is her son, Elias, the
same heart like as mom is, like she's still here
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with us, She's still here with us through him. And
we hear police begging now that we have this guy's
photo for women who have had any contact with him
to speak out. Take a listen to w j L
A cut fourteen and breaking right now seven. Use is
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on your side with the latest on a body found
in DC that investigators believe could be the fifth victim
of the so called shopping cart killer. Tonight, they have
released the identity of that victim. Investigators say the victim
is Sonja Champ. Her body was found in a shopping
cart near Union Station back in September. Fairfax Police say
they just found out about her death, which is being
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investigated by DC police. As that continues, Fairfax investigators have
confirmed the identity of two women They believe we're killed
by thirty five year old Anthony Robinson, and now they're
hoping any potential survivors will come forward and help them
learn more about Robinson, in particular missing females who may
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fit the victimology profile of our four victims. What we
really need is information about previous contexts. Our investigators believe
Robinson used dating apps like Plenty of Fish and tagged
to meet as victims. Is currently in jail charged in
the deaths of two women in Harrison Burke gu Alexis
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Terrestia at crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Why are
we hearing the number thirty five as to how many
other jurisdictions may be involved? Well, he is originally from
New York. Most these victims were found in Virginia and Washington, DC,
and police all around the area are connecting that perhaps
there was a similar a missing person or a body
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FOUK where they have not identified who the killer is
and they think this could be related. So there are
so many unsolved murders and they're all looking all these jurisdictions. Now,
they're all talking to each other and they're realizing that
maybe there is a connection. He could have gone anywhere
up and down meat or further, but this is where
they're all. They seem to have unsolved murders that they're
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going to try to see if this is connected. So
you're telling me that he's being held right now in Virginia, Yes,
for these So far, he's been charged with murders of
two women right now. There are three others that are
definitely known, so he's awaiting charges for or are they
also in Virginia? Two are? The fifth is in Washington, DC? Okay,
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you know what that tells me, Bromin Blake. Is there
any chance? Well, with these two jurisdictions, there's not. There's
no chance this guy's going to get the death penalty,
no matter how many women he tortured and murdered and
left their bodies in a shopping cart. Is neither of
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those jurisdictions have the DPA I think you make a
good point, and I have to thank you for highlighting
this story on your show, because when we hear details
like this and the fact that this person might not
have certain punishments, we want to turn away, but as women,
we really can't. And in the Textas Advocacy Project, We've
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been doing free legal services for domestic violence ductual thought
Stocking for forty years, and I've been working in dating
violence for sixteen years. And this can happen to anyone.
You heard about these victims. They're all ages, they're different races.
What do they have in common? I'm sure doctor Jeli
would agree with me. They're hopeful people. And these chief Davis,
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chief Warm they need more people to come forward, and
we believe survivors if others were hurt. I hope they
do come forward so this person can be punished appropriately.
Dodger and Arnold, give me your analysis, well said. The
sad thing is the reason people don't come forward is
because oftentimes when something bad does happen to them and
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they've done on a dating site, they are so mortified
and embarrassed of what happened to them, and they and
so they come to somebody like me and they talk
to me about it, but they don't want to go
forward and let everybody know what they were doing, because
they do reach out on dating sites because that is
what people do now to find love in their life,
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so that you know, they're initially very vulnerable from that standpoint.
But when it doesn't work out that people don't go
shouting it from the rooftops because, as you said, Nancy,
for some people it does work out. So then the
victim feels like, well, why does this not happen to me?
And why am I a victim? And what was wrong
with me that this chose this man chose me to
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be a victim. So people don't speak out. I'm very
curious about the other jurisdictions where we believe he has
murdered other women. To Lisa Daddy, what's your analysis, We've
got to get the word out there. I think there's
other victims outside of DC Washington area, in Virginia and
especially with connections back up into New York. We have
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to look at all those missing person reports and those
unknown gene does to you, Doctor Michelle Dupree weigh in,
I think they're right. You know, there are many reasons
that women don't report sexual assault, and I think that
the stigma of that is something that we also need
to work on, because you know, it is not their fault,
and so many times they don't believe that. They believe
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that they did something to encourage it, or to leave
them on or something like that. But as we all know,
you know, Noah's no you know, Alexa stress check these victims.
As our guests are pointing out, across all barriers, age races,
socio economic level, it seems as if no one is
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safe from this guy. How are we going to figure
out without a DNA comparison, what other victims he's murdered.
I think it's going to have to be tracked through
the dating service, and then other people are going to
recognize him when they see his name, they see it safe.
They might you know, they might have just chatted with
him for a few minutes on this skating app and thought, oh,
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he wasn't for me, and now they realized who it was.
We don't even know if he used his real name
on this dating app. That's something you know that they
could have been done. So he might have been telling
other people or when he went on other dates, he
could have been using a different name, so they're going
to have to really put it out there so that
people know and recognize this. I think one way to
do it is through cell phone data. Where he has been,
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wherever he's been going back for years. That's where I
would look for unsolved amasides and missing people. Tip line
seven h three two four six seven eight hundred repeat
seven zero three two four six seven eight hundred. Look
at Anthony Robinson. Did you date him? Did you talk
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to him online? Did your sister date him? Do you
have a friend or a relative missing seven o three
two four to six seven eight hundred. Nancy Grace Crime
Story signing off Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace one, two, three, four, five
dead bodies that we know of. Are they connected to
the same serial killer? Is the same serial killer connected
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to thirty five repeat thirty five other jurisdiction murders. That's
what we know right now. What will we learn? I
Nancy Grace this Crime Stories, Thank you for being with
us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven.
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First of all, take a listen to please Chief Kevin Davis.
We have a serial killer. The challenge that remains is
identifying other victims, and we're going to talk about that
at great length. Our serial killer is called the shopping
cart killer. He's called the shopping cart killer because he
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meets his victims, and so far we have three are
positively two or positively identified, one is tentatively identified, and
one is unknown. He meets his victims on dating sites.
He meets his victims then at motels, and we'll talk
about a motel that he met two of his victims
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at here in Fairfax County. After he inflicts trauma to
his victims and kills them, he transports their bodies to
their final resting place, literally in a shopping cart. You know,
if you parse the police chief Kevin Davis's words, quote,
we have a serial killer. Very often police chiefs and
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law enforcement don't want to tell the public they think
they've got a serial killer. But we figured it out,
so I guess they had to go ahead and announce it.
They can't identify all the victims, which is a big problem.
I prosecuted a Jane Doe murder before, and you don't
know who she is, where she's from, what her patterns are,
who she knows, who she may have come in contact with.
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Very difficult to prosecuted Jane Doe murder. We also know
dating sites are involved. And then after as you hear
him say, inflicting trauma to them, what does that mean?
Slice them up, torture them, bludging them. He then murders
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them and transports their bodies to their final resting place,
literally in a shopping cart. Now why does that offend
me so much? Not just the murder, but then putting
them in a shopping cart like they're saca potatoes, and
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then carting them off and just leaving them somewhere. Have
you ever driven or walked anywhere and seen abandoned shopping carts?
I see them all the time, and I can identify
that's a home depot, that's the Kroger, that's the public.
That's this about at Walmart? A dead body, A woman's
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body just left out in the open on a busy
street as shopping cart, like she's a pound of flower.
I mean, what does that tell us about the killer?
And now he may be connected to thirty five separate
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jurisdictions with a size. Again, I'm Nancy Grayson. This is
Crime Stories, and as always, we thank you for being
with us, sharing your time with us as we investigate
hardcore crime with me and all star panel to make
sense of what we know right now. First of all,
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Professor University Texas School of Law, Chief Legal Officer Texas
Advocacy Project, Bronwyn Blake and Bronwin I need to get
a website for you so I can look you up online.
Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us out of the
Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Professor Psychiatry,
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Lisa Daddio, former police Lieutenant Newhaan, PD, lecturer and Director
of the Center for Advanced Policing, a University New Haven's
Forensic Science Department. Doctor Michelle Duprie, longtime friend and college
forensic pathologists, former medical examiner, detective and she literally wrote
(05:06):
the book or the books Homicide Investigation Field Guide, which
I love that book and Investigating Child to Bees Field
Guide also great. But first let's go to crime online
dot Com investigative reporter Alexis terrest check Alexis. First of all,
I want you to hear this our cut three more
from police Chief Kevin Davis. We believe that there may
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be other victims in the area and throughout the Commonwealth
of Virginia, and we need to act now. We need
to act right now with our law enforce and partners
to figure out who else our killer has had contact
with and what's his m O. Dating sites, motels, blunt force, trauma,
shopping cart, final resting place. He's killed four already and
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we suspect that he has more victims. He's a predator,
as all serial killers are, and it's our collective effort
in law enforcement to do everything we can with each other,
with the community to identify other places where he has
been so we can bring closure and ultimately justice. He
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prays on the week he preys on the vulnerable, our
shopping cart killer does unspeakable things with his victims. This
guy gets around. I do not believe these murders are copycats, Alexis.
Trust Chuck. Tell me the signature style the shopping cart
killer uses. So he meets these women on dating sites,
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so this is online. He meets them there a couple.
He's using plenty of fish and tagged two differents. Plenty
of fish and what tagged like? You're tagged in a
picture tj dged tagged Yeah. Isn't plenty of fish a
Christian day website? I think it was in the beginning.
I think everybody is welcome though, well, Alexis, that's what
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Christianity is all about. Everybody is welcome. But I still
think of it as a Christian dating app because I
guess that's how it started. And then I thought you
were saying tag But it's tagged like tag you're it
well put? So he's that. That tells me something right there,
And I don't want to interrupt your flow. But to
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doctor Angel Arnold, this is not like some thug standing
in a corner waiting for a woman to walk by
and then he grabs her and kills her. This guy's
more sophisticated than that he's actually going online. He is
selecting a certain type of woman, be she white or black,
or tall or short, or you know, brunette or blonde.
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He's picking a certain type, I believe, and luring them.
That's fairly sophisticated. I mean, I see the bulk arders
are not nearly that sophisticated. Doctor Angie, right, you know, Nancy,
I think that he's luring anybody that will swipe back
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and and accept his invitation. I'm I'm not so sure
if he has a type. It's just so unfortunate that
he is able to get into these into these dating
apps that everybody uses. Now thirty percent of adults in
the US have said they have used online dating apps.
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Can you believe that Nancy, David and I got set
up on a blind date. It's ubiquitous in our society now,
isn't it? But can I tell you something? Nobody poo
poo dating sites. Because my nephew, who's really a smart guy,
double major in college and let's see chemistry and it
and now he's an IT troublesheeter for a big corporation.
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He met his wife on a dating app. They're perfectly happy.
I forgot how many years they've been married. Now they
have a beautiful little boy. I mean, it works so right,
I'm not surprised at that figure. And if they didn't work, Nancy,
they wouldn't still be around, and more and more wouldn't
be created. But women still need to be so careful
and they can't throw caution to the wound when they're
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using these dating apps. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
we are talking about a guy, and of course it's
a guy. You know, people say, are you a man hater? No,
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I'm not a man hater. I just hate murderers. Back
to you, Alexis Rustchuck so dating app. I'm still waiting
to hear how shopping cart gets into it. But take
it from there. I don't want to leave anything out.
Go ahead. Alexis so mess women on dating apps. In fact,
one of them he was. It seems there was more
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than one date. He actually had met her family, so
they were It wasn't just we meet on a dating app.
Let's meet up, let's go to a motel together, and
he kills them there. What happens is he's establishing a
relationship with one of them. Then this is where the
mote where I said motel. He has been seen at
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a motel at least six times and victims that police
have started realizing that the victims were also at this hotel.
So explain to me, because that's a little odd to you.
Rom and Blake joining me a Jump Professor University Texas
School of Law. Rom And, of course all martyrs are
odd in their own way. But the fact that he
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would actually develop a relationship with one of his victims,
that is unusual because typically victims of serial killers are
treated as inanimate objects like trophies. The fact that he
would actually date one of them on more than one asian,
I find that to be very unusual. I agree with you, Nancy.
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I think if we just look at this as a
serial killer, or even use those words shopping cart killer,
that's really disceasing because we have to look at the
fact of this tape. And you and I both know
abusive people can be very charming. It can be tricky
to spot. So if we just hear about want force
traumat it's hard to go back and think how did
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this begin. Abusive people know how to prey on vulnerability.
Many of these women maybe they needed love and companionship,
and this is somebody who they thought could deliver those things.
Doctor Angela was sharing that this is a predator. Chief
Kevin dave Us was saying, this is a predator. It
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seems almost like a dirty John situation to me that
this person you could possibly have been charming them online.
Take a listen to our cut eight. This is our friend,
Sierra Fox at Fox five DC and August, investigators have
found four bodies and say all victims were killed with
blood forced trauma. The most recent human remains, discovered in
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a shopping cart in Alexandria, Virginia, are believed to be
twenty nine year old Cheyenne Brown, who was missing from
southeast DCN family help police identify Brown after recognizing her tattoo.
Investigators revealed she had been talking on a dating site
almost pregnant at the time of her death. Video from
the night she was killed shows Brown taking the Metro
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from DC to the Huntington Metro stop, but she never returned.
Detectives are holding off on releasing any video and photos
from the incident. Said this time, as they worked with
the victims families, you know when I worked in DC,
I took the metro. I can't even count how many
hundreds of times it likes us Urez chuck, that woman
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named Cheyenne Brown. You didn't get to the part about
how they end up in a shopping cart. So he
kills them. Where he has killed them, we are still
trying to find out what they are. They are found
near two of him were found together in the wood
near a motel in Virginia. The Moon in motel. Hey,
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can I just talk about this hotel? The Moon in
a hotel in Fairfax County looks like an old I
guess Antebellum mansion, but it does. I mean, when you
hear the word motel, you think of like some city
flop house in a bad area of town. Doesn't look
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like that at all to me. I mean, it's manicured
lawn and shrubbery, and this got the American flag flying
out front and wreaths on the door. It's immaculately kept up.
And then not far away, I see a picture of
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Oh I identified it's a target shopping cart and it
looks like it's down a ravine of sorts. So I
want to get back to the shopping cart aspect of
this to doctor Michelle dupre joining me, former medical examiner.
She's a forensic pathologist, Doctor Michelle Dupree. You ever see
anything like it? Absolutely, we had stuff like this in
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Miami and other large cities all the time. Oh, let's
talk about Miami. I'm all about crime in Miami because
of dexter yees and when I was fed, we had
a lot of cases in Miami, fraud cases. It was
what I was dealing with in Miami. Go ahead, I'm
all ears well, we had there was large homeless populations,
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for example, and so there were several times when we
had homeless go missing and nobody really tracked them. I mean,
nobody would miss them, so to speak. Sometimes it was
by luck that we even found out. But I remember
one specific case. It was a serial killer case. What
do you make of the wholes shopping cart aspect, Because
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that's staging the scene to the nth degree, And staging
does not have to be sophisticated. For instance, I'm putting
a blanket over the victim's face. I had a case
where the victim had been covered with leaves and branches.
Case where the perp tried to stage just seemed to
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look like a suicide set of a homicide, and would
not have figured that one out if it hadn't been
for blood spatter evidence. But it goes on and on.
It can be very sophisticated, or it can be like this,
putting your victim, I wonder if they were closed or unclothed,
and I wonder if they were raped or not, in
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a shopping cart and pushing it down a ravine. We're
hold on Alexis Terrestia, where all the bodies and shopping
carts found in a wooded area, or any of them
left on the street in a shopping cart. So far,
there are five victims that we know of. Four of
them were found in wooded areas or like an undeveloped
commercial parking lot out in the kind of the suburbs
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of DC, so in Virginia. But one woman was actually
found in a shopping cart, just a blanket over her
body by Union Station in Washington, DC, which is a
heavily trafficed area that you know, I told you to
the metro every when I was working in DC all
the time, That's where I would catch it right there
at Union Station and inside Union Station when I lived there,
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it was full of all sorts of high end restaurants
and those super expensive coffee shops and shops where they
saw nothing but hats and gloves and scarfs, like cashmere things,
that kind of of shopping. I would never even get
a coffee there because it would be like seven dollars
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forget it. But it's the dichotomy of that, Lisa da
As opposed to just outside there's a dead woman and
a shopping cart with a blanket over her. Yeah, it's just,
you know, it's tough. And again, I'm also very familiar
with Union Station down in DC, and it's the high
traffic of it. You have to take into account everything
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that's going on down there, and to see a shopping
cart with a blanket over not paying attention to the
cart itself, you may think it belongs to a nearby
homeless person or somebody who's belongings are there from a
homeless person. You're not thinking twice about the fact that
there may be a body in it, and no one's
paying attention to it, ignoring it, going about doing their
own business, you know, not even caring that somebody was
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dumped across the street from this high end train station.
You know, Doctor Angie you deal with female patients all
the time. What are we anyway? I feel like, why
is it always women which is treated like trash just
put out in a shopping cart and we left out
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there to decompose. But it is going on. This is
a serial killer. There's no telling how many women he's
done this too across the country. Well, I think it speaks, Nancy.
I think it speaks to women, and unfortunately, women are
typically the vulnerable ones. But I think it speaks to
women wanting someone to share their lives with and wanting
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someone to make them feel good. And they literally think,
you know, Nancy, everyone I talked to and here only
talks about meeting people on dating apps. They literally all
of my patients tell me that's the that is the
way people are meeting folks now. And I'm quite I'm
sure that this man was quite good at making these
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women feel good about themselves and that's why they and
that's why he was able to lure them to this place. Right. Well,
are you saying that he was charming? I bet you
he is charming. I'm sure he didn't tell them that
he was going to bang them over the head with
a sledge hammer. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Take a
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listen again to our Friendshierra Fox at Fox five in DC.
Our cut seven, Fairfax County Police Chief Heavin Davis says,
the shopping cart killer with me his victims on dating sites,
then motels before killing them, then taking their remains to
an undisclosed location and a shopping cart. For example, two
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days ago, Fairfax County Police found human remains in a
container near a shopping car in this isolated wooded area
here in Alexandria, Virginia along Britain Highway. He prays on
the week, he prays on the vulnerable, and he does
unspeakable things with his victim right along the highway, along
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the Richmond Highway. And again, this guy we believe is
connected to thirty five other jurisdictions. How many women has
he killed? Take a listen to our cut six w
j LA. Sadly, these remains were not alone in the container.
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The remains of another unknown identified individual were discovered. One
they're pretty sure as Brown's. The other they don't know.
But ass are there even more victims? We're only going
back a couple two or three months. That's it, and
that's what worries us. You know he didn't suddenly turn
into who he is three months ago. And the Fairfax
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Police at this point say that they believe that the
mystery victim is from this area, but they don't know
who it is. They would like the public's health, and
that's a whole another can of ORMs. Brahmin Blaine joining
me at Jet Professor University, Texas School of Law, prosecute
getting a Jane Joe murder man. That's hard to do, explain.
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If they're not able to identify this person, then it's
very difficult for them to quick evidence about what may
have happened before the crime. And you asked, Nancy, how
many women has this shopping cart killer killed? I would
ask about all of the living victims that when he
was still honing his techniques, people he tried to charm online,
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perhaps people he may be met up with briefly. I
think that when she's Kevin Davis is giving those press conference,
they're really want of these living victims to come forward
and help gather some of that evidence that may help
us figure out who that team going. You know, she's
got a really good point, Lisa Daddio, I guarantee you
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his first murder the serial killer was not his first
time at the Rodeo. I guarantee you he had either
raped or kidnapped or assaulted in some way a victim
who managed to live to tell the tale. Oh absolutely,
And you know to everyone and especially Chief Davis's, you know,
like what he's really trying to do is get the
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word out there to other women who have had contact
with him prior to him, you know, murdering, murdering his
first victim, which we know there are others, right, you
know what you're reminding me of right now, Lisa Daddy, Oh,
what's up? A guy I prosecuted and the victim, the
first victim, well she wasn't the first, but she was
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the only one that we could actually prove this guy
I believe was a serial killer. And I got to digging.
We never did identify the Jane Doe. Found out this
guy who we thought was the killer had a girlfriend
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that had kicked him out. So I found the girlfriend.
She looked almost identical to the reconstruction sketch we did
of the Jane Doe. That's not all I forgot how
I did it now, but I got some information that
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I needed to go to the folder County Women's jail. No, no, no,
it was in a neighboring county, I think Gwinnette and
I went up there and I found this woman. She
had been raped by the purp and he tried to
strangle her but he didn't succeed. So how valuable is that?
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Because the Jane Doe had been raped and strangled, the
girlfriend had been strangled and lived. It's just amazing the psychopathy,
the repetition of the same scenario over and over. There's
gotta be a psychiatric name for that, doctor Angel Arnold,
where you keep doing the same thing over and over
(24:05):
and over. When a criminal does that for some type
of internal excitement, I guess her. Hey, I don't really
I don't really know if there's a name for that,
but I do believe there's a name for the person
who does it. And he's a sociopath. Well, I know,
a sociopath can be a lot of people. I'm talking
(24:27):
about someone. Okay, here's a good example. Alexis rreschoke you
and I covered BTK buying torture killed Dennis Rader for
a long time serial killer. And I believe who's a dogcatcher?
I mean, right there, I don't like him, but I
believe he was a peeping tom and would peep on
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women on his dogcatching route. And then he graduated to
fulfilling his twisted fantasy and started murdering women and then
dressing them up post mortem along the lines of Charles Manson,
how he would do that to a lot of his victims.
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Long story short, doing the same thing over and over
and over. We see, that's what's happening here, and it's
a big clue as to the identity of the Purp
and Nancy. So the woman who was unidentified, she was
found with Cheyenne Brown. So these two women, their bodies
were found next to the charge shopping cart in a
(25:30):
container in the woods. This woman had actually been staying
in the hotel. She went missing months before Cheyenne went missing.
Her family reported her missing, so she was staying in
the hotel. So this hotel is sort of at the
center of it all. Are you talking about the Moon Hotel? Yes,
(25:50):
the Moon Moon in Gosh. You know, when you look
at it, it looks so quaint, but it's the center
of more than one of the serial killer's victim Take
a listen now to our cut nine from Fox five,
in the same container where Brown's remains were found police day,
another person's remains were also inside. That individual has not
(26:11):
yet been identified. This investigation all started when two other
bodies were found in an open line Harrisonburg, Virginia, two women,
fifty four year old Aleen Redman and thirty nine year
old to Meeta Smith. The Harrisonburg police chief, Kelly Warner,
joined Fairfax County's police department at a news conference today.
(26:32):
Both women were discovered within a short distance of each
other dead, although their deaths took place at two separate times.
Justice will prevail and the offender will be held accountable
for what he did. And we haven't ruled out there.
I'll use the plural term. Maybe what they did seeing
(26:56):
the same mmodus operandi method of operation of rid of
the bodies. So he liked the one container where he
dumped a body near the Moon Inn, so he used
it again. So the discovery of these two bodies must
have been a horrible, horrible scene. One body had been
(27:16):
there for some time. Take a lista nat to art
cut eleven Fox five. In December, human remains were found
in a plastic container near a shopping car in an
isolated wooded area along Richmond Highway and Alexandria, Virginia. Fairfax
County Police are now waiting for the DNA confirmation of
those two deaths. I checked in with the Medical Examiner's
(27:38):
office today and they say both cases are still pending. However,
detectives believe one victim is twenty nine year old Cheyenne
Brown as Southeast DC after her family recognized the tattoo
of her name. The fourth victim could be a woman
from California, Stephanie Harrison. They are missing persons signs surrounding
the Moon and Hotel, where her sister tells Fox five
(28:00):
she was staying last August. The families involved or heartbroken
that there could be more victims out there all of
a sudden. Here and four people just all of a sudden,
and then how many more are they're going to be?
I mean, I mean, in a way, I kind of
feel like there has to be more too, because you
don't just wake up one day and start doing that.
So true, so true, And let me understand this. Alexis
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terres Chuck. One victim had been staying there, the victim
for California. Back in August, they were missing person's missing
person flyers up. But yeah, this container was not that
far away. It wasn't and they had not I couldn't
find her. They didn't and it wasn't. And then after
Cheyenne went missing, that's when they started searching the area
(28:44):
because they had done some police work to figure out
where her cell phone was and where she was staying,
things like that, and that's where they tried to doounce them.
They had the cadaver dogs and then they went to
this area. But yeah, there was a literally a missing
person's poster for this woman just right on the road
near the hotel. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Take a
(29:16):
listen to our cut twelve jess Arnold, WUSA nine. Fairfax
County police say it was here right near the Moon
and at Alexandria, and they found the body of a
woman who they believe is twenty nine year old Cheyenne Brown.
She's one of four alleged victims of the so called
shopping cart killer who start hoping to confirm her identity
through DNA by the end of this week, but her
mom says she already knows it's her from her tattoo.
(29:37):
This picture of twenty nine year old Cheyenne Brown and
her seven year old son, Juan, maybe one of the
last they shared. His grandmother says, he's struggling to understand
his mom is in heaven now, but he still picks
up the phone and he still tries the car, so
I know he doesn't really understand. Nicandra Brown says, on
September thirtieth, Cheyenne got on a metro bus in DC
(29:59):
and disappeared in She was five months pregnant at the time,
calling you know, hospitals, checking for like Jane does or
don't identify women, and you know, checking the Morgan I
was a wreck. In early December, Fairfax County Police found
what they believe is Cheyenne's body. They suspect she's one
of at least four alleged victims of the shopping card killer.
(30:20):
Take a listen to these names. Tanita Smith thirty nine,
Alene Redman fifty four. That's a big age difference and
the women that he's picking. So I think whoever said
it earlier, you're right, he's not picking a certain age
or a certain type. Cheyenne Brown twenty nine, with the
(30:41):
little boy, the son who's still trying to call her
on her cell phone. Stephanie Harrison forty eight, Sonja Champ
forty was just found was discovered in September, but just
recently connected to the shopping card killer. It goes on
and on. They couldn't seem to catch him. Take a
(31:05):
listen to our cut five SAM four w j LA
police and Harrisonburg found the bodies of fifty four year
old Eleene Elizabeth Redman of Harrisonburg and thirty nine year
old Tonita Lurice Smith of Charlottesville November twenty third, in
a vacant lot near a motel and Harrisonburg not far apart.
A Metropolitan PTPD contacted the Harrisonburg Major Crimes Division after
(31:30):
Harrisonburg police said they saw him on surveillance with a
shopping cart. They arrested Robinson. DC police suspected a link
to Cheyenne Brown of Northeast DC, who disappeared September thirtieth.
Using digital GPS, police followed Brown and Robinson from the
Minnesota Avenue Metro station in DC to the Huntington Metro
station in Virginia. Fairfax police searched near the moon In
(31:52):
motel and found a shopping cart next to it a
big plastic trash container, and they believe Brown's remains were inside.
Straight to you, Alexis Terres Schuck, So surveillance video of
a man pushing a shopping cart is what the case
it is. They finally they finally got it. They were
using I mean, just regular police investigation. They find the
(32:14):
victim's cell phone, they see where they had been, where
they went. Now they realized she was at this motel.
So then they try to find surveillance video around there
or around where the other bodies were found, and they
see him on video. And here's the thing we talked about.
So you're saying he has been doing you know, these
are at least five that we know of. This isn't new.
(32:36):
But what if he had never been caught. Well, amazingly,
this guy does not have a criminal record. But that
is not uncommon. I mean the reality. How many times
does a rapist or sex assault or assault before he's caught.
It's a staggering number. Some say between twelve, others say
(32:59):
seventy times that they molest or assault before they're ever caught.
In the vast majority of women do not report six assaults. Why,
I'm not sure. I believe in their mind they feel
somehow responsible for the attack on themselves. Take a listen
(33:21):
our cut ten Fox five. Fairfax County police want to
figure out how many times the shopping card killer stayed
here at the Mooned Hotel, to better figure out a
timeline of when these unfortunately events unfolded, and to see
if there are any more potential victims out there. You
may remember that to tect this day, he would meet
(33:41):
his victims on data apps then locations like this before
doing unspeakable things to them. Today, I was able to
speak with the daughter of one of the victims, who
says she's still processing all of this all in the road.
Did that happen like it on TV? And I mean
it really is like exactly what goes on in the
shows right now, like everything that is happening, and it's
(34:06):
kind of weird. Her mother is fifty four year old
Beth Redman. Her remains were found in a vacant law
and Harrison burd along with thirty nine year old to
meet a little Reese right now. Anthony Robinson is behind
bars and charged with two counts of first degree murder
and disposing the bodies of those two women. You were
(34:26):
just hearing the daughter of one of the murdered victims. Now,
take a listen to the mother of one of the
murdered victims, our friends at WUSA nine, our cut thirteen.
I don't even know what words. It's just terrible. Police
have arrested thirty five year old Anthony Robinson for the murders.
When Ncandra's cousin saw his picture, she says he recognized
(34:47):
him as a man Cheyenne had brought to their house before.
And I'm so angry, Like I don't even have tears anymore.
I'm just like, why would you do this to my daughter?
She didn't deserve that, you know. She was just so
full of life, and so is her son, Elias, the
same heart like as mom is, like she's still here
(35:08):
with us, She's still here with us through him. And
we hear police begging now that we have this guy's
photo for women who have had any contact with him
to speak out. Take a listen to w j L
A cut fourteen and breaking right now seven. Use is
(35:31):
on your side with the latest on a body found
in DC that investigators believe could be the fifth victim
of the so called shopping cart killer. Tonight, they have
released the identity of that victim. Investigators say the victim
is Sonja Champ. Her body was found in a shopping
cart near Union Station back in September. Fairfax Police say
they just found out about her death, which is being
(35:52):
investigated by DC police. As that continues, Fairfax investigators have
confirmed the identity of two women They believe we're killed
by thirty five year old Anthony Robinson, and now they're
hoping any potential survivors will come forward and help them
learn more about Robinson, in particular missing females who may
(36:12):
fit the victimology profile of our four victims. What we
really need is information about previous contexts. Our investigators believe
Robinson used dating apps like Plenty of Fish and tagged
to meet as victims. Is currently in jail charged in
the deaths of two women in Harrison Burke gu Alexis
(36:33):
Terrestia at crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Why are
we hearing the number thirty five as to how many
other jurisdictions may be involved? Well, he is originally from
New York. Most these victims were found in Virginia and Washington, DC,
and police all around the area are connecting that perhaps
there was a similar a missing person or a body
(36:55):
FOUK where they have not identified who the killer is
and they think this could be related. So there are
so many unsolved murders and they're all looking all these jurisdictions. Now,
they're all talking to each other and they're realizing that
maybe there is a connection. He could have gone anywhere
up and down meat or further, but this is where
they're all. They seem to have unsolved murders that they're
(37:17):
going to try to see if this is connected. So
you're telling me that he's being held right now in Virginia, Yes,
for these So far, he's been charged with murders of
two women right now. There are three others that are
definitely known, so he's awaiting charges for or are they
also in Virginia? Two are? The fifth is in Washington, DC? Okay,
(37:39):
you know what that tells me, Bromin Blake. Is there
any chance? Well, with these two jurisdictions, there's not. There's
no chance this guy's going to get the death penalty,
no matter how many women he tortured and murdered and
left their bodies in a shopping cart. Is neither of
(38:00):
those jurisdictions have the DPA I think you make a
good point, and I have to thank you for highlighting
this story on your show, because when we hear details
like this and the fact that this person might not
have certain punishments, we want to turn away, but as women,
we really can't. And in the Textas Advocacy Project, We've
(38:22):
been doing free legal services for domestic violence ductual thought
Stocking for forty years, and I've been working in dating
violence for sixteen years. And this can happen to anyone.
You heard about these victims. They're all ages, they're different races.
What do they have in common? I'm sure doctor Jeli
would agree with me. They're hopeful people. And these chief Davis,
(38:45):
chief Warm they need more people to come forward, and
we believe survivors if others were hurt. I hope they
do come forward so this person can be punished appropriately.
Dodger and Arnold, give me your analysis, well said. The
sad thing is the reason people don't come forward is
because oftentimes when something bad does happen to them and
(39:07):
they've done on a dating site, they are so mortified
and embarrassed of what happened to them, and they and
so they come to somebody like me and they talk
to me about it, but they don't want to go
forward and let everybody know what they were doing, because
they do reach out on dating sites because that is
what people do now to find love in their life,
(39:30):
so that you know, they're initially very vulnerable from that standpoint.
But when it doesn't work out that people don't go
shouting it from the rooftops because, as you said, Nancy,
for some people it does work out. So then the
victim feels like, well, why does this not happen to me?
And why am I a victim? And what was wrong
with me that this chose this man chose me to
(39:50):
be a victim. So people don't speak out. I'm very
curious about the other jurisdictions where we believe he has
murdered other women. To Lisa Daddy, what's your analysis, We've
got to get the word out there. I think there's
other victims outside of DC Washington area, in Virginia and
especially with connections back up into New York. We have
(40:12):
to look at all those missing person reports and those
unknown gene does to you, Doctor Michelle Dupree weigh in,
I think they're right. You know, there are many reasons
that women don't report sexual assault, and I think that
the stigma of that is something that we also need
to work on, because you know, it is not their fault,
and so many times they don't believe that. They believe
(40:34):
that they did something to encourage it, or to leave
them on or something like that. But as we all know,
you know, Noah's no you know, Alexa stress check these victims.
As our guests are pointing out, across all barriers, age races,
socio economic level, it seems as if no one is
(40:57):
safe from this guy. How are we going to figure
out without a DNA comparison, what other victims he's murdered.
I think it's going to have to be tracked through
the dating service, and then other people are going to
recognize him when they see his name, they see it safe.
They might you know, they might have just chatted with
him for a few minutes on this skating app and thought, oh,
(41:18):
he wasn't for me, and now they realized who it was.
We don't even know if he used his real name
on this dating app. That's something you know that they
could have been done. So he might have been telling
other people or when he went on other dates, he
could have been using a different name, so they're going
to have to really put it out there so that
people know and recognize this. I think one way to
do it is through cell phone data. Where he has been,
(41:41):
wherever he's been going back for years. That's where I
would look for unsolved amasides and missing people. Tip line
seven h three two four six seven eight hundred repeat
seven zero three two four six seven eight hundred. Look
at Anthony Robinson. Did you date him? Did you talk
(42:05):
to him online? Did your sister date him? Do you
have a friend or a relative missing seven o three
two four to six seven eight hundred. Nancy Grace Crime
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