February 20, 2025 • 40 mins
Luigi Mangione’s first public comments since pleading not guilty to murder comes in the form of an open letter shared on a new website dedicated to his legal defense. His legal team says the website — luigimangioneinfo.com — was created to ”share case updates, “dispel information” and publish letters from Mangione while he’s incarcerated. He writes “I am overwhelmed by — and grateful for — everyone who has written me to share their stories and express their support.”
Mangione’s legal team explain why the website was necessary. On the homepage they write.... “Due to the extraordinary volume of inquiries and outpouring of support, this site was created and is maintained by Luigi Mangione’s New York legal defense team to provide answers to frequently asked questions, accurate information about his cases, and dispel misinformation. “The intent is to share factual information regarding the unprecedented, multiple prosecutions against him.”
On the FAQ page of the website, the defense teams ask that supporters limit the number of items they send. Its pointed out that quote “Luigi is allowed to receive photos via Shutterfly and FreePrints in accordance with mail procedures”. It contines “Luigi appreciates the photos that are sent and kindly asks that people send no more than five photos at a time. In his public statement , Mangione writes “While it is impossible for me to reply to most letters, please know that I read every one that I receive. Thank you again to everyone who took the time to write. I look forward to hearing more in the future.”
Luigi Mangione’s new website includes a link to a GiveSendGo crowdfunding website. Supporters have been making donations in order to help pay Mangione’s legal fees. The inital goal , $5000,000, was reached quickly, and now the goal is $1,000,000.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Sick hos, the so called CEO assassin Luigi Mangioni gets
a half a million dollars donations for his defense, sick
letters sent to him in jail, even gifts from ghoulish fans.
I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
(00:30):
being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
What's next for Luigi Mangioni, a suspected CEO killer of
waits trial at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, amid
a flurry of fan mail and a legal fund boasting
almost half a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
That's right, yesterday it was almost half a million dollars.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
It topped out at about.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Four hundred and seventy five four hundred and eighty thousand dollars.
But since then more donations have been pouring in. Who
who are these people that are funding Luigi Manngioni's defense?
Don't they know that his parents are millionaires, if not billionaires,
their bank account basically seated by the hard, back breaking
(01:18):
work of his grandparents. That aside, this is where the
case starts.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
For just over five days, our NYPD investigators combed through
thousands of hours of video, followed up on hundreds of
tips and processed every bit of forensic evidence, DNA fingerprints,
IP addresses, and so much more. To tighten the net,
we deployed drones, canine units, and scuba divers. We leveraged
(01:49):
the Domain Awareness system ARGUS cameras and conducted aviation canvasses.
And our detectives also went door to door interviewing potential
witnesses and doing the good old fashioned police work that
our investigators are famous for, thousands and thousands.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Of police at man hours, all to catch Luigi Mangioni.
Because of this, there you see the video with the
victim walking for Mangioni walking up directly behind him and
pulling the trigger. The victim, a father of two little boys,
(02:29):
now sent us to life without daddy him Now, based
on a new documentary, we are learning about his background.
The victim's background, very modest, very humble background, who works
his way up the corporate ladder only to be gunned
down on the sidewalk. And there's really no doubt that
(02:51):
the shooter is Mangioni. Let's see the shot of him
at a local hostel where he smiles and flirts with clerk.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
It's a full on face shop.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Straight out to Anna Schechter, joining us CBS new senior
Coordinating producer for Crime and Public Safety beat, Anna, thank
you for.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Being with us.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I'm stunned that Mangioni has somehow raised half a million
dollars in donations.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Is that true?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It is true.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
It's half a million dollars, and the organizers of this
givesend Go website state their goal is a million dollars
and his own legal defense team. These are well respected lawyer's,
former prosecutors in New York City. They created a website
that hyperlinks out to this fundraising website. This. I have
(03:46):
never seen this in twenty years of covering crime and
public safety, never seen anything like.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
This, well, neither of I.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
But aside from me, as half a million dollars donations
for his defense fund in the last days.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
A bombshell in court.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Listen a learner and olage and that's for our friends
at Fox nine. Straight back to Anna Scheckter. What happened
in court?
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Well, he pleaded not guilty despite the DNA evidence, the
surveillance video placing him at a Starbucks right before and
right there in front of that hotel, the fact that
when he was arrested in Altoona, Pennsylvania. He had a
ghost gun, the same gun, a gun that matched the
pellets that were left on the ground that he wrote
(04:44):
allegedly delay, deny, and depose in a seeming message, cryptic
message to the health insurance industry. So just so much
a mountain of evidence against him. But he's pleading not
guilty to eleven count in New York state counts and
four counts in federal court. One of them could carry
(05:05):
the death penalty.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Let's hear him pleading not guilty one more time, for
those of you just joining us, the so called CEO
assassin pleading not guilty in court. Let's hear it for
ourselves a learners and laws.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
That from our friends at Fox nine.
Speaker 8 (05:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I like watching the demeanor of people in court. Do
they know what they're doing? Do they understand what's going on?
Are they lucid? I see in court right there an
attempt much like was used with the Menendez brothers, where
he's all prepped out and his defense attorneys are fawning
(05:54):
all over him. He knows to lean forward to the
microphone and in a clear voice, saying not guilty. This
amongst speculation that he may actually plead an insanity defense.
But moving forward, let's hear what else the defense attorney
says in court. I hope you're sitting down.
Speaker 9 (06:14):
He was on display for everyone to see in the
biggest staged purp walk I've ever seen in my career.
There was no reason for the NYPD and everybody to
have these big assault rifles that frankly, I had no
idea it was in their arsenal, and to have all
of these the press there, the media there, It was
like perfectly choreographed. And what was the New York City
(06:35):
mayor doing at this press conference?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
That video from our friends at Fox five and Fox nine,
you are hearing the defense attorney Kiaren Agnifello, the husband
Agnafello is representing Sean Combe's aka Diddy.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
She is whining in court that quote.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Her client was on display for everyone to see in
the biggest stay purp walk I've ever seen in my career.
Speaking of the purp Walk, let's take a look at
it ourselves and.
Speaker 10 (07:15):
Experience.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Oh my stars, that from the Des Moines Register. Did
you hear what he was saying? Anna Scheckter, Can I
can I see it one more time? I just want
to see it while I hear Anna explain, did you
hear what he was saying? He is saying that everybody
else is completely out of touch, that the insurance industry
is completely out of touch, that it's an insult to
(07:40):
the intelligence of the American people. And to quote lived experience,
the lived experience. Now that video from our friends at
Des Moines Register, the lived experience. This is coming from
a guy who's bankrolled by mommy and Daddy, who were
banked rolled by grandma and grandpa, and and he's talking
(08:00):
about our regular people's lived experienced. This guy who's living
in a high rise in Honolulu looking out at the
sunset him that serves all day.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
That guy.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
This was his first hearing in Pennsylvania, the first time
that we saw him after he was arrested, and he
was acting erratically. He was shouting, this is an insult
to the American people in their lived experience. And he
in his own mind and in his own writings that
were found on his person when he was arrested in Pennsylvania,
(08:33):
he had this seemingly delusion of grandeur that he alone
could pick this CEO off. And the words he used
were these parasites had it coming, according to our law
enforcement sources and the documents that CBS News has seen.
So this erratic behavior linked up with that grandiosity we'll see.
(09:00):
It seemed to me like, don't forget Karen Agna. Philo
told CNN before she was retained as his counsel that
he might plead use an insanity police So that was
kind of a message. Maybe we can infer that we
are going to see this. But then, like you said,
(09:20):
when he pleaded not guilty in New York State Court,
he leaned into the microphone. He had control of himself.
He was wearing a button down shirt and then maroon sweater,
kind of looking put together. He did do some erratic
things in the courtroom, like raise his eyebrows in sort
of an aggressive way and look directly at members of
(09:40):
the press. So it's interesting there's erratic behavior coupled with
seemingly this sort of preppy, put together then near that
we've seen, it's just a very very bizarre set of
circumstances that we're.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Watching crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
In the last hours, Luigimnngioni in a court of law
for an arrayment and Gerald Cohen a fancy word for
bringing the defendant in.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Court and reading the charges out.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Loud from the indictment against him, with his lawyer present,
and the defendant pleads guilty or not guilty, and if
he can't bring himself to speak, like Brian Coberger, the
lawyer will interplease for him. If nobody speaks, the judge
will automatically enter a not guilty please.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
That's all on arrayment, is right.
Speaker 11 (10:42):
Nancy, That's exactly what it is. It's only a way
of the court saying when you plead not guilty, you're
going to be set for trial at some point in
the future. And pleading not guilty doesn't mean he won't
interuplea at some point, probably in my view, through some
sort of psychiatric problem, not guilty by reason of insanity
(11:05):
of some sort.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Wait, so you're telling me the guy that writes this extensive,
I don't know how many words manifesto with an intimate
knowledge of the healthcare industry exhibited in the manifesto, who
has the wherewithal to gather all the parts and create
a ghost gun which takes oh gosh, around one hundred
(11:27):
hours to create a ghost gun. You three D print
it at home and track the victim all across the country, writing.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
In his notes in his notebook how.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
He tracked him down and that the gathering the conference
would be the perfect opportunity. There's the ghost gun, perfect opportunity.
It's like a jackal and a gazelle. He waited for
the victim to leave the hotel and finally be alone
on an early morning walk for a breakfast at a convention,
(12:02):
stalked him, lay in wait for over an hour after
having watched him and cased him, then pounced and shot him.
That's the guy you're telling me that, under the old
McNaughton rule, didn't know right from wrong.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
At the time of the incident.
Speaker 11 (12:18):
Really, what I'm saying to you is, really he was
brought up not privileged, but overprivileged. I'm at the top
of the heap now I can look down and he
becomes part of his own cult. Everything he did shows
that he had been overprivileged. He decided that he needed
to see everything in the world his way.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Because kay actually hurting my ears, My ears are bleeding.
Thomas Smith joining me right now, former NYPD detective.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
He knows the crime scene like the back of his hand.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Now Star of Gold Shields Podcast, Tom, thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
You here.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Darryl Cohen, veteran defense attorney, teeing it up the affluenza
defense used by Ethan Cash and he mowed down a
whole group of people onside the road that I was
just too rich to understand what I was doing. Affluent affluenza.
That's a crocabs right there.
Speaker 12 (13:14):
I would have to agree, because here's what's going to happen.
You know, the premeditation is going to be the compelling
factor in this, with him pleading an insanity plea or
whatever he may do in the future. The planning that
had to go into this, the integral parts that he
put into this, making the gun, tracking him, you know,
laying in weight, knowing his schedule, and then shooting him
(13:38):
in cold blood. The escape route where he was going
was all planned out. So to all of a sudden,
say he snapped and something along his mental capacity changed.
His normal way of thinking. Is not going to worry
in my mind?
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Now?
Speaker 12 (13:54):
Could he do as sure he can, but I don't
think that's going to work too well.
Speaker 13 (14:03):
This morning, at six forty six a m. Patrol offices
from Midtown North priests and responded to a nine to
one one call of a person shot.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
It appears a suspect was lying in wait for several minutes.
The suspect approached from behind and fired several rounds.
Speaker 13 (14:17):
The shooter then walks toward the victim and continues to.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Shoot in the last hour.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Is a so called CEO assassin in courtplating not guilty.
This is more of what his defense attorney had to say.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Listen, he's a.
Speaker 9 (14:31):
Young man and he is being treated like a human
ping pong ball between two warring jurisdictions here, and they
are literally treating him like he is like some sort
of political fodder, like some sort of spectacle.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
That's my friends at Fox nine. Loyd, let me understand.
Anna Scheckter again, I'm going to bring in the rest
of panel just a moment. She the defense attorney, is
arguing that he, her client, Luigi Mangioni, is being rereated
like a human ping pong. Well, if he didn't want
to be extradited from Pennsylvania back to New York, he
shouldn't have committed a crime there to get arrested and
(15:12):
in New York to get extradited. That's why he's a
ping pong, right, he's facing these charges in New York
first because the murder occurred in New York, but there
are additional charges in Pennsylvania. So if he didn't want
to be extradited, he should have thought about that before
he committed all the crimes.
Speaker 8 (15:28):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
He's facing eleven counts in New York, so that this
is the biggest pace, and two of them are terrorism related.
Remember after nine to eleven, new statutes were put in
place and investigators used those the first degree murder and
second degree murder on related to terrorism. So those charges
(15:50):
he faces now because that's New York state, maximum would
be life in prison. And then the Feds got involved,
The FBI was involved. He crossed state lines in order
to do this, and then he took a bus from
Atlanta to New York City in order to carry this out.
Then he again crossed state lines into Pennsylvania. So immediately
(16:14):
the US Marshals are involved, the FBI is involved. He's
facing federal chargers. That federal first degree murder charge could
carry the death penalty, and look at what President Trump
talked about with regards to the death penalty, supporting that.
So let's see how this plays out. That's really interesting.
(16:34):
He's facing those four federal charges, and then in Pennsylvania
he's facing charges involving possession of weapons and munition and
also the forgery.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Charge, Anna Sector, You're exactly right. The reason he's charged
in Pennsylvania and Altoona is this.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Listen to what he had with him.
Speaker 14 (16:53):
When police take Luigi Mangioni into custody, a search of
his backpack turns up what appears to be a gun
printed using a three D prints, along with a silencer
that strongly resembles the gun seen in video.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Footage of the assassination.
Speaker 14 (17:05):
Officers recover a fake new Jersey ID matching the one
used by the killer when he registers at a Manhattan
hostel ten days before the shooting of Brian Thompson, as
well as clothing which matches that worn by the shooter.
Police also recover a two and a half page manifesto
two hundred and sixty two words handwritten that lays out
possible motivations for the attack.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
To doctor Chloe Carmichael joining us, renown clinical psychologist, author
of Nervous Energy Harness The Power of Your Anxiety. Doctor Chloe,
thank you for being with us. A nearly three hundred
word manifesto. Really, and it's completely lucid. It's very well
thought out. How's this guy going to plead insanity?
Speaker 10 (17:45):
That's a great question, Nancy. And let's also remember that
that manifesto was literally addressed to the Feds, which suggests
that he was quite clearly aware that his actions were
going to attract legal attention, just an awareness of right
and wrong. He also in that manifesto apologizes quote for
(18:06):
the trauma that I've caused, but it had to be done,
or something to that effect, which again suggests that he
was fully aware that he was inflicting harm. Moreover, he
obviously fled the scene and attempted to hide himself, again
suggesting a full awareness of right and wrong as well
as of the legality.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Also, the attorney is whining about comments that have been
made by the state.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Listen.
Speaker 9 (18:32):
The second thing I want to make a record of
your honor is I'm very concerned about my client's right
to a fair trial in this case, he's being prejudiced
by some statements that are being made by government officials.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
From our friends at Fox nine, Daryl Cohen, what statements.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Is she talking about? When he was arraigned.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
When the pressors were recurring, when the manhunt was on,
when the arrest was made.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Is is that what she's complaining about Nancy.
Speaker 11 (19:02):
What she says is not what she means. Smoke divert mitigate.
Smoke divert mitigate. She's throwing out smoke because she knows
she has to. What he did was obvious. How he
did it was obvious, and she's trying to set the
scene where he was not mentally the way he should
(19:24):
have been. That's all we're talking about again. Don't confuse
what she says, how she says it with what she means.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
We're asking the public for your help.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Who killed United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
Speaker 13 (19:41):
She appears to be a light skinned male. He's wearing
a light brown or cream colored jacket and a very
distinctive gray backpack with still tracking video. The last we
see with him on that bike is in Central Parking.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
In the last hours.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
He so called CEO assassin Luigi Mangioni in court pleading
not guilty, amidst swirling rumors he will ultimately change that
plea to insanity. Now there are two choices, not guilty
by reason of insanity, which means yes, I did it,
(20:15):
but I was insane when I did it, or guilty
but mentally ill, guilty by reason of insanity. So you've
got a not guilty by reason of insanity, and you've
got a guilty by reason of insanity.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Those are the choices.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
But he surely didn't look insane to me in court
when he fled not guilty. Back to the public website,
it doesn't just explain.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Luigi Mangioni's point of view. It's raising money. Listen.
Speaker 15 (20:46):
Luigi Manjoni's new website includes a link to a give
send to go crowdfunding website. Supporters have been making donations
in order to help pay man Jennie's legal fees. The
beginning of this week, donation's top four hundred and seventy
five dollars. Man Joni's lead defense attorney, Karen Friedman agna Fillo,
told ABC News, Luigi is aware of the fund and
(21:07):
very much appreciates the outpouring of support. My client plans
on utilizing it to fight all three of the unprecedented
cases against him.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Joining us now Jackie Howard Crime Story Senior producer Jackie
What is on the website Luigi Mangioni's personal website.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
Oh, there are so many things on their nancy. First,
we have his writings. He reached out to his so
called fans, writing a letter telling everyone how much he
appreciates them getting in touch to him with him rather
asking them to limit what they send, but lets his
fans know that he reads everything that he gets sent.
(21:56):
There's an explanation all from his attorneys on why they
decided to create this website, so that they could counter
any misinformation that they say was put out there about
their clients. They have a link to the website to
raise money and the original goal was five hundred thousand
(22:19):
dollars and by the beginning of this week they had
already reached three quarters, actually more than three quarters of
their goal only with twenty five thousand dollars remaining.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
This as a documentary Who is Luigi Mangioni?
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Number one?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Do I care who he is? And a court of law,
the state only has to prove who did it and
was it in the right jurisdiction.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
That's it. So who is Luigi Mangioni? Listen?
Speaker 16 (22:55):
Who is Luigi Mangioni? Has an actor reading Mangioni's words
from a letter he wrote to authorities, comments he left online,
and statements he made to his mister Cactus Reddit account.
Mangioni says his initial health issues began when he contracted
lime disease at thirteen. Mangione says he started noticing mild
cognitive declines at fifteen, and the symptoms kept getting worse.
(23:19):
He recounts the brain fog and memory loss, yet doctors
could not diagnose a problem. He discusses his back pain
along with bladder and gentital pain.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Okay, a little too much information, but that said, joining
me now renowned chief medical.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Examiner from Terran County.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
That's fort Worth Lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine
at TCU, Doctor Kendall Crowns. Doctor Kendall Crowns, does lime
disease cause insanity?
Speaker 17 (23:53):
Lime disease does cause cognitive issues like memory impairment, kind
of brain fog confusion, But I don't know if it
causes insanity like paranoid delusions or anything like that. I've
never heard of it causing that type of behavior.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Doctor Kindle Crowns.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Are you suggesting that when he had, according to him,
lime disease, as a little boy. He now has such
a bad case of brain fog that he didn't know
right from wrong when he allegedly gunned down the health boss.
Speaker 17 (24:32):
No, I'm not suggesting that he doesn't know right from wrong.
He can have confusion or memory impairment, but I don't
know anything that I've ever read where it says that
they become paranoid or delusional, can't figure out what they're doing,
so that I'm.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Not aware of what exactly is lime disease, Doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 17 (24:51):
Lime disease is caused by Beryllia bacteria, which is carried
in deer ticks, and the deer tick bites you in
the bacteria into your blood stream and.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Then you get So we're blaming the deer tick for.
Speaker 17 (25:07):
Lime disease, yes, but not for shooting the healthcare.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Person joining us, Doctor Kendall Crowns, I'm not mocking you.
I'm mocking the suggestion that a deer tick a bite
at age thirteen, has caused brain fog that somehow excuses
him gunning down an unarmed man on a public street,
leaving behind two boys, little boys.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Without a dad and a widow.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Doctor Crown's now launching a brand new podcast, d A
Dead on Arrival on March four. Doctor Chloe Carmichael, clinical
psychologist and author. Have you ever heard that one that
deer a deer tick lime disease at age thirteen and
(25:59):
mild their words, not mine, mild cognitive decline at age
fifteen is somehow resulting in brain fog that equals insanity
under the law.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Really, No, Nancy, obviously not.
Speaker 10 (26:15):
And that would certainly be a smear to people with
lyme disease everywhere to suggest, you know, that they have
this propensity to just you know, become deranged killers. And
as to the idea that he had any sort of
brain fog, well, it obviously didn't prevent him from you know,
carefully crafting a plan and assembling a ghost gun and
tracking this man down with, as he said, a CAD
(26:35):
computer assisted you know, digital things. He was very sophisticated.
And then his I think of anything, he's suffering from
an acute case. Potentially, though I haven't Metamora, assessed him
of narcissism and grandiosity, you know, when he's spouting off
about his lived experience. What that really means is my perspective,
(26:56):
And so the fact that he thinks that his perspective
is somehow justifies or warns him. He's saying, oh, that healthcare,
that it's costing people's lives.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Well, guess what he did.
Speaker 10 (27:08):
He went in, took somebody's life, and he literally apparently
allegedly wrote wrote words on the bullet. So no, I
don't think that this is a case of brain fog.
To me, this looks like a case of narcissism, grandiosity,
and psychopathy.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Potentially.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I always argue to jury's if you didn't know what
you were doing was wrong, why did you take off
running and hide out after you did it, get rid
of the weapon, change clothes, catch public transport to throw
off your scent. It goes on and on the degree
of planning even in the flight. Now, I want you
to hear what is said about a potential in sanity
(27:47):
plea on a brand new documentary Who is Luigimangioni.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
He started reading the writings of the unibomber take I
found online that I think is interesting.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Violence against them who lead us to destruction is justified as.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Self that's our friends and investigation discovery.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But that last sentence, destruction is justified as self defense.
That's more along the lines in this case as a
cold blooded shooting equaling jury nullification. To Jackie Howard, joining
US Crime Story Senior producer, Jackie, isn't it true that
(28:28):
a legion of as you call them, fans showed up
at the arrayment if we're talking about jury nullification, which
means they know the person committed the act, like an
OJ Simpson, for instance, but they don't care.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
That's what we're looking at. Tell me about the people.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
That had shown up at the arrangement fans, and a
lot of.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
Them, nearly two dozen showed up, means the holding signs,
chanting free luisj Me and Gione, and most of them
were women again, holding signs and just making their presence known.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Suspected United Healthcare CEO killer Luigi Mengioni breaks his silence
for the first time since his arrest, sharing in a statement,
I am overwhelmed by and grateful for everyone.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Clear photos of his face.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
We're what alerted the customers and employees at that McDonald's
in Altoona, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
That's from our friends at Investigation Discovery. So with all
that planning, all that navigating across Manhattan to make his escape.
The defense is entertaining an insanity plea and insanity plea?
What based on the lime disease caused by deer tick
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when he was thirteen years old? Now this is after
he Jackie Howard joining us from crime stories. Jackie was
he valedictorian at high school at his elite prep school
and then went on to the Ivy League University of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 8 (30:11):
You have that right, Nacy. He was well known for
his academic prowess, and teachers and students that like bragged
on him constantly about his intelligent approach to everything.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
So let me understand.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
To Daryl Cohen, who has launched many an insanity defense,
the valedictorian that graduated from Ivy League school is going
to plead insanity based on the lyme disease at age thirteen?
Speaker 11 (30:43):
Nancy, what he is doing? Think about this? Go back
days of yesteryear bear fisted heavyweight fights. This is a
fight between the state or the United States government and
Luigi Maggioni for either eth in prison if he wins,
or the death penalty if he loses. Either way, he
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is going to go down. It's just a question.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
About the insanity fence and you're not answering, and I
think I know why, guys. Regardless of the dear tick
issue when he was thirteen, he doesn't sing insane when
he is photographed tickling three girls at once.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
In his Honolulu high rise.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
Photos have emerged of Mangioni's time in Hawaii living the
high life. The photos show the accused killer soaking up
the sun, dining with friends, and carousing with a pair
of beautiful young women. One photo shows Mangioni cuddled up
on the couch next to a grinning woman, his arm
draped behind her. Another snap in a breezeway shows Mangoni
tickling the two women while they laugh.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Okay, there was a tickle victim number three, but that said.
In this new documentary, comparisons are drawn between Luigi Mangioni
and the murder victim.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Listen.
Speaker 15 (32:06):
A new documentary called Who Is Luigi Mangoni traces the
lives a suspect Mangioni and his victim, CEO Brian Thompson,
and shows how at one point in their lives they
had a lot in common, with both being valedictorian of
their high school class. The story of the two Men
also details the rapidest sin of Thompson, who came from
a rather modest home life growing up while Mangoni grew
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up with expensive private schools where money was never an issue,
and how their lives intersected on a deadly morning in December.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
That's right, Mangioni growing up with a silver spoon in
his mouth. Note a fork and a spoon, pure silver.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Listen.
Speaker 15 (32:40):
The suspected killer of United Health CEO Brian Thompson comes
from a wealthy, educated, connected Maryland family. His grandfather grew
up poor as a first generation American who built a
real estate business that includes country clubs and media investments.
Mangoni is the cousin of Republican Maryland House of Delegates
member Nino Mangoni. His mother, cath Lean Zenino Mangoni, owns
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a travel company, and his sister, Maria Santamanzoni, is a
respected doctor, a medical resident a ut Southwestern Medical Center
in Dallas after graduating from Vanderbilt Medical School.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
So he was born.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
In money, more money than any of us can really
even imagine. Yet somehow he is representing himself as Robin Hood,
taking from the rich, giving to the poor. That Robin
Hood and threw in a premeditated murder into it. Now,
legal pundits are claiming that Luigi Mangoni will never be
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convicted because of a jury in validating the entire state's
case jury nullification because they are angry at the.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Health care industry.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
That aside, I'm concerned about a groupie getting on the jury.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Listen to this.
Speaker 16 (33:56):
The defense team asks that supporters limit the number of items.
It's pointed out that quote Luigi is allowed to receive
photos via Shutterfly and free prints in accordance with male procedures.
It continues, Luigi appreciates the photos that are sent and
kindly asks that people send no more than five photos
at a time. In his public statement, Mangioni writes, while
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it is impossible for me to reply to most letters,
please know that I read everyone that I receive. Thank
you again to everyone who took time to write. I
look forward to hearing more in the future.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
To Tom Smith, joining us NYPD detective for thirty years,
also assigned to the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force and
co host of gold Shields podcast, Tom, how do you
think that makes law enforcement feel much less? The victim's
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family the two little boys and the wife that find
out daddy's gunned down on the street because he's a
CEO of a healthcare in stree Player. So now Luigimnngioni
and his website, which is soliciting money up to a
half a million dollars at this time, is saying, don't
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send me more than five photos at once.
Speaker 12 (35:15):
It's just disgraceful and it's a slap in the face
to victim, victim, his family, the children, all the hard
work in law enforcement did, because all they're doing is
propping him up to be this messiah and this celebrity
when all he is is a cold bloody killer. This
goes to you know, we mentioned this once before. You know,
it's like Charles Manson, the Menendez Brothers, Richard Vermirez, all
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of these you know, followers that come out for this
cold blooded killer is just an attempt to taint a
jury pool if they go in that direction. That's what
I feel. And the Netflix series is doing the same thing.
They're just reaching out and trying to get doubt into
anyone's mind into this kid is a celebrity, he's not
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a murderer. And the prosecution band defense good and hopefully
it just doesn't work that people see through this.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Apparently Mangioni is developing a cult following.
Speaker 16 (36:09):
Luigi Mangioni's cult following says his prosecution is part quote
of a corporate backed narrative and that the case against
him is unprecedented. In some online post, Mangioni is praised
as a figure of humanitarianism and anti capitalism. Online post
ad that Mangioni's prosecution is both unprecedented and a sign
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of government overreach. Supporters called for a ban on id's
new documentary Who Is Luigi Mangioni.
Speaker 15 (36:39):
Some social media users are using the murder of United
Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson to make a statement by urging
potential jurors in any future trial of Luigi Mangoni to
acquit the alleged murderer even if they think he's guilty.
These so called gen Z influencers are urging other social
media users to become familiar with jury nullification. This is
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when a jury returns a not guilty verdict even when
they believe the person is guilty.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
To the people who are going to end up on
that jury for that guy who shot the CEO.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
They haven't caught him yet.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Just remember that if all they have is circumstantial evidence
an eyewitness reports, you don't have to make that man guilty.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Okay, talk about a groupie possibly getting on the jury.
That was TikTok user neam h.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
And it's not just them.
Speaker 18 (37:30):
Listen, this is this is an attractive you know, we
got to drop the banner, sure why? And it's it
is deeply troubling that we are celebrating this person who's
committed cold blooded murderer.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Whoa, whoa, that's why, CNN Jackie Howard, did I just
hear the anchors say drop the banner so she could get.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
A full on body shot to see his chest.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
That's exactly what you heard, Nancy.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Okay, I don't believe. I want to hear it again.
Speaker 18 (37:56):
This is this is an attractive you know, we got
to drop the banner.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
That's sure why.
Speaker 18 (38:00):
And it is deeply troubling that we are celebrating this
person who's committed cold blooded murder.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
That's where our friends at CNN, Daryl, I actually think
she said drop the banner, and you'll see why.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
I think there was a lot of cross talk. Did
you hear that.
Speaker 11 (38:14):
I heard it, Nancy, And what bothers me is she
is saying one thing and doing another by dropping the banner.
He is supposed to be endearing to the American public
as a not as a murderer, not as an assassin,
but is a really good guy. So this is troubling
to me to steal her words.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Mangioni's fame is apparently worldwide.
Speaker 16 (38:40):
Increased support for Luigi Mangioni and the use of his
image is cropping up in unusual places. Some social media
posts show the accused killer's likeness being featured on birthday cakes.
A German mother surprised her daughter and in the video
she can be seen laughing as she cuts the cake.
Printed on the cake is happy birthday, Malve, Sorry I
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can't be at your party this time. According to the
birthday Girl, the cake was a joke. Even more over
the top, A bar recently hosting a Valentine's Day themed
love letter event for the accused killer.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
A birthday cake in Germany with Mangioni's face on it.
Two Doctor Kendall Crowns are now chief medical Examiner esteemed
lecturer at Burnett' School of Medicine. Doctor Kendall Crowns. What
did the victim endure as he bled out on the sidewalk?
Do you think you had time to think of as
two little boys?
Speaker 17 (39:35):
Because he's not shot in the head, he has a
time to bleed out, and it'll take a few minutes.
He's conscious, he'll be feeling pain, he'll be having trouble breathing,
He'll becoming cold and then slowly passing out and then
going into a coma in dying.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Hey, you can stick that on your birthday cake.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Lady Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend, give us
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Sick hos, the so called CEO assassin Luigi Mangioni gets
a half a million dollars donations for his defense, sick
letters sent to him in jail, even gifts from ghoulish fans.
I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
(00:30):
being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
What's next for Luigi Mangioni, a suspected CEO killer of
waits trial at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, amid
a flurry of fan mail and a legal fund boasting
almost half a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
That's right, yesterday it was almost half a million dollars.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
It topped out at about.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Four hundred and seventy five four hundred and eighty thousand dollars.
But since then more donations have been pouring in. Who
who are these people that are funding Luigi Manngioni's defense?
Don't they know that his parents are millionaires, if not billionaires,
their bank account basically seated by the hard, back breaking
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work of his grandparents. That aside, this is where the
case starts.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
For just over five days, our NYPD investigators combed through
thousands of hours of video, followed up on hundreds of
tips and processed every bit of forensic evidence, DNA fingerprints,
IP addresses, and so much more. To tighten the net,
we deployed drones, canine units, and scuba divers. We leveraged
(01:49):
the Domain Awareness system ARGUS cameras and conducted aviation canvasses.
And our detectives also went door to door interviewing potential
witnesses and doing the good old fashioned police work that
our investigators are famous for, thousands and thousands.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Of police at man hours, all to catch Luigi Mangioni.
Because of this, there you see the video with the
victim walking for Mangioni walking up directly behind him and
pulling the trigger. The victim, a father of two little boys,
(02:29):
now sent us to life without daddy him Now, based
on a new documentary, we are learning about his background.
The victim's background, very modest, very humble background, who works
his way up the corporate ladder only to be gunned
down on the sidewalk. And there's really no doubt that
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the shooter is Mangioni. Let's see the shot of him
at a local hostel where he smiles and flirts with clerk.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
It's a full on face shop.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Straight out to Anna Schechter, joining us CBS new senior
Coordinating producer for Crime and Public Safety beat, Anna, thank
you for.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Being with us.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I'm stunned that Mangioni has somehow raised half a million
dollars in donations.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Is that true?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It is true.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
It's half a million dollars, and the organizers of this
givesend Go website state their goal is a million dollars
and his own legal defense team. These are well respected lawyer's,
former prosecutors in New York City. They created a website
that hyperlinks out to this fundraising website. This. I have
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never seen this in twenty years of covering crime and
public safety, never seen anything like.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
This, well, neither of I.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
But aside from me, as half a million dollars donations
for his defense fund in the last days.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
A bombshell in court.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Listen a learner and olage and that's for our friends
at Fox nine. Straight back to Anna Scheckter. What happened
in court?
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Well, he pleaded not guilty despite the DNA evidence, the
surveillance video placing him at a Starbucks right before and
right there in front of that hotel, the fact that
when he was arrested in Altoona, Pennsylvania. He had a
ghost gun, the same gun, a gun that matched the
pellets that were left on the ground that he wrote
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allegedly delay, deny, and depose in a seeming message, cryptic
message to the health insurance industry. So just so much
a mountain of evidence against him. But he's pleading not
guilty to eleven count in New York state counts and
four counts in federal court. One of them could carry
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the death penalty.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Let's hear him pleading not guilty one more time, for
those of you just joining us, the so called CEO
assassin pleading not guilty in court. Let's hear it for
ourselves a learners and laws.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
That from our friends at Fox nine.
Speaker 8 (05:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I like watching the demeanor of people in court. Do
they know what they're doing? Do they understand what's going on?
Are they lucid? I see in court right there an
attempt much like was used with the Menendez brothers, where
he's all prepped out and his defense attorneys are fawning
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all over him. He knows to lean forward to the
microphone and in a clear voice, saying not guilty. This
amongst speculation that he may actually plead an insanity defense.
But moving forward, let's hear what else the defense attorney
says in court. I hope you're sitting down.
Speaker 9 (06:14):
He was on display for everyone to see in the
biggest staged purp walk I've ever seen in my career.
There was no reason for the NYPD and everybody to
have these big assault rifles that frankly, I had no
idea it was in their arsenal, and to have all
of these the press there, the media there, It was
like perfectly choreographed. And what was the New York City
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mayor doing at this press conference?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
That video from our friends at Fox five and Fox nine,
you are hearing the defense attorney Kiaren Agnifello, the husband
Agnafello is representing Sean Combe's aka Diddy.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
She is whining in court that quote.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Her client was on display for everyone to see in
the biggest stay purp walk I've ever seen in my career.
Speaking of the purp Walk, let's take a look at
it ourselves and.
Speaker 10 (07:15):
Experience.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Oh my stars, that from the Des Moines Register. Did
you hear what he was saying? Anna Scheckter, Can I
can I see it one more time? I just want
to see it while I hear Anna explain, did you
hear what he was saying? He is saying that everybody
else is completely out of touch, that the insurance industry
is completely out of touch, that it's an insult to
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the intelligence of the American people. And to quote lived experience,
the lived experience. Now that video from our friends at
Des Moines Register, the lived experience. This is coming from
a guy who's bankrolled by mommy and Daddy, who were
banked rolled by grandma and grandpa, and and he's talking
(08:00):
about our regular people's lived experienced. This guy who's living
in a high rise in Honolulu looking out at the
sunset him that serves all day.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
That guy.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
This was his first hearing in Pennsylvania, the first time
that we saw him after he was arrested, and he
was acting erratically. He was shouting, this is an insult
to the American people in their lived experience. And he
in his own mind and in his own writings that
were found on his person when he was arrested in Pennsylvania,
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he had this seemingly delusion of grandeur that he alone
could pick this CEO off. And the words he used
were these parasites had it coming, according to our law
enforcement sources and the documents that CBS News has seen.
So this erratic behavior linked up with that grandiosity we'll see.
(09:00):
It seemed to me like, don't forget Karen Agna. Philo
told CNN before she was retained as his counsel that
he might plead use an insanity police So that was
kind of a message. Maybe we can infer that we
are going to see this. But then, like you said,
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when he pleaded not guilty in New York State Court,
he leaned into the microphone. He had control of himself.
He was wearing a button down shirt and then maroon sweater,
kind of looking put together. He did do some erratic
things in the courtroom, like raise his eyebrows in sort
of an aggressive way and look directly at members of
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the press. So it's interesting there's erratic behavior coupled with
seemingly this sort of preppy, put together then near that
we've seen, it's just a very very bizarre set of
circumstances that we're.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Watching crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
In the last hours, Luigimnngioni in a court of law
for an arrayment and Gerald Cohen a fancy word for
bringing the defendant in.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Court and reading the charges out.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Loud from the indictment against him, with his lawyer present,
and the defendant pleads guilty or not guilty, and if
he can't bring himself to speak, like Brian Coberger, the
lawyer will interplease for him. If nobody speaks, the judge
will automatically enter a not guilty please.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
That's all on arrayment, is right.
Speaker 11 (10:42):
Nancy, That's exactly what it is. It's only a way
of the court saying when you plead not guilty, you're
going to be set for trial at some point in
the future. And pleading not guilty doesn't mean he won't
interuplea at some point, probably in my view, through some
sort of psychiatric problem, not guilty by reason of insanity
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of some sort.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Wait, so you're telling me the guy that writes this extensive,
I don't know how many words manifesto with an intimate
knowledge of the healthcare industry exhibited in the manifesto, who
has the wherewithal to gather all the parts and create
a ghost gun which takes oh gosh, around one hundred
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hours to create a ghost gun. You three D print
it at home and track the victim all across the country, writing.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
In his notes in his notebook how.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
He tracked him down and that the gathering the conference
would be the perfect opportunity. There's the ghost gun, perfect opportunity.
It's like a jackal and a gazelle. He waited for
the victim to leave the hotel and finally be alone
on an early morning walk for a breakfast at a convention,
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stalked him, lay in wait for over an hour after
having watched him and cased him, then pounced and shot him.
That's the guy you're telling me that, under the old
McNaughton rule, didn't know right from wrong.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
At the time of the incident.
Speaker 11 (12:18):
Really, what I'm saying to you is, really he was
brought up not privileged, but overprivileged. I'm at the top
of the heap now I can look down and he
becomes part of his own cult. Everything he did shows
that he had been overprivileged. He decided that he needed
to see everything in the world his way.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Because kay actually hurting my ears, My ears are bleeding.
Thomas Smith joining me right now, former NYPD detective.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
He knows the crime scene like the back of his hand.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Now Star of Gold Shields Podcast, Tom, thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
You here.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Darryl Cohen, veteran defense attorney, teeing it up the affluenza
defense used by Ethan Cash and he mowed down a
whole group of people onside the road that I was
just too rich to understand what I was doing. Affluent affluenza.
That's a crocabs right there.
Speaker 12 (13:14):
I would have to agree, because here's what's going to happen.
You know, the premeditation is going to be the compelling
factor in this, with him pleading an insanity plea or
whatever he may do in the future. The planning that
had to go into this, the integral parts that he
put into this, making the gun, tracking him, you know,
laying in weight, knowing his schedule, and then shooting him
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in cold blood. The escape route where he was going
was all planned out. So to all of a sudden,
say he snapped and something along his mental capacity changed.
His normal way of thinking. Is not going to worry
in my mind?
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Now?
Speaker 12 (13:54):
Could he do as sure he can, but I don't
think that's going to work too well.
Speaker 13 (14:03):
This morning, at six forty six a m. Patrol offices
from Midtown North priests and responded to a nine to
one one call of a person shot.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
It appears a suspect was lying in wait for several minutes.
The suspect approached from behind and fired several rounds.
Speaker 13 (14:17):
The shooter then walks toward the victim and continues to.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Shoot in the last hour.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Is a so called CEO assassin in courtplating not guilty.
This is more of what his defense attorney had to say.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Listen, he's a.
Speaker 9 (14:31):
Young man and he is being treated like a human
ping pong ball between two warring jurisdictions here, and they
are literally treating him like he is like some sort
of political fodder, like some sort of spectacle.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
That's my friends at Fox nine. Loyd, let me understand.
Anna Scheckter again, I'm going to bring in the rest
of panel just a moment. She the defense attorney, is
arguing that he, her client, Luigi Mangioni, is being rereated
like a human ping pong. Well, if he didn't want
to be extradited from Pennsylvania back to New York, he
shouldn't have committed a crime there to get arrested and
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in New York to get extradited. That's why he's a
ping pong, right, he's facing these charges in New York
first because the murder occurred in New York, but there
are additional charges in Pennsylvania. So if he didn't want
to be extradited, he should have thought about that before
he committed all the crimes.
Speaker 8 (15:28):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
He's facing eleven counts in New York, so that this
is the biggest pace, and two of them are terrorism related.
Remember after nine to eleven, new statutes were put in
place and investigators used those the first degree murder and
second degree murder on related to terrorism. So those charges
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he faces now because that's New York state, maximum would
be life in prison. And then the Feds got involved,
The FBI was involved. He crossed state lines in order
to do this, and then he took a bus from
Atlanta to New York City in order to carry this out.
Then he again crossed state lines into Pennsylvania. So immediately
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the US Marshals are involved, the FBI is involved. He's
facing federal chargers. That federal first degree murder charge could
carry the death penalty, and look at what President Trump
talked about with regards to the death penalty, supporting that.
So let's see how this plays out. That's really interesting.
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He's facing those four federal charges, and then in Pennsylvania
he's facing charges involving possession of weapons and munition and
also the forgery.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Charge, Anna Sector, You're exactly right. The reason he's charged
in Pennsylvania and Altoona is this.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Listen to what he had with him.
Speaker 14 (16:53):
When police take Luigi Mangioni into custody, a search of
his backpack turns up what appears to be a gun
printed using a three D prints, along with a silencer
that strongly resembles the gun seen in video.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Footage of the assassination.
Speaker 14 (17:05):
Officers recover a fake new Jersey ID matching the one
used by the killer when he registers at a Manhattan
hostel ten days before the shooting of Brian Thompson, as
well as clothing which matches that worn by the shooter.
Police also recover a two and a half page manifesto
two hundred and sixty two words handwritten that lays out
possible motivations for the attack.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
To doctor Chloe Carmichael joining us, renown clinical psychologist, author
of Nervous Energy Harness The Power of Your Anxiety. Doctor Chloe,
thank you for being with us. A nearly three hundred
word manifesto. Really, and it's completely lucid. It's very well
thought out. How's this guy going to plead insanity?
Speaker 10 (17:45):
That's a great question, Nancy. And let's also remember that
that manifesto was literally addressed to the Feds, which suggests
that he was quite clearly aware that his actions were
going to attract legal attention, just an awareness of right
and wrong. He also in that manifesto apologizes quote for
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the trauma that I've caused, but it had to be done,
or something to that effect, which again suggests that he
was fully aware that he was inflicting harm. Moreover, he
obviously fled the scene and attempted to hide himself, again
suggesting a full awareness of right and wrong as well
as of the legality.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Also, the attorney is whining about comments that have been
made by the state.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Listen.
Speaker 9 (18:32):
The second thing I want to make a record of
your honor is I'm very concerned about my client's right
to a fair trial in this case, he's being prejudiced
by some statements that are being made by government officials.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
From our friends at Fox nine, Daryl Cohen, what statements.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Is she talking about? When he was arraigned.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
When the pressors were recurring, when the manhunt was on,
when the arrest was made.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Is is that what she's complaining about Nancy.
Speaker 11 (19:02):
What she says is not what she means. Smoke divert mitigate.
Smoke divert mitigate. She's throwing out smoke because she knows
she has to. What he did was obvious. How he
did it was obvious, and she's trying to set the
scene where he was not mentally the way he should
(19:24):
have been. That's all we're talking about again. Don't confuse
what she says, how she says it with what she means.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
We're asking the public for your help.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Who killed United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
Speaker 13 (19:41):
She appears to be a light skinned male. He's wearing
a light brown or cream colored jacket and a very
distinctive gray backpack with still tracking video. The last we
see with him on that bike is in Central Parking.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
In the last hours.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
He so called CEO assassin Luigi Mangioni in court pleading
not guilty, amidst swirling rumors he will ultimately change that
plea to insanity. Now there are two choices, not guilty
by reason of insanity, which means yes, I did it,
(20:15):
but I was insane when I did it, or guilty
but mentally ill, guilty by reason of insanity. So you've
got a not guilty by reason of insanity, and you've
got a guilty by reason of insanity.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Those are the choices.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
But he surely didn't look insane to me in court
when he fled not guilty. Back to the public website,
it doesn't just explain.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Luigi Mangioni's point of view. It's raising money. Listen.
Speaker 15 (20:46):
Luigi Manjoni's new website includes a link to a give
send to go crowdfunding website. Supporters have been making donations
in order to help pay man Jennie's legal fees. The
beginning of this week, donation's top four hundred and seventy
five dollars. Man Joni's lead defense attorney, Karen Friedman agna Fillo,
told ABC News, Luigi is aware of the fund and
(21:07):
very much appreciates the outpouring of support. My client plans
on utilizing it to fight all three of the unprecedented
cases against him.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Joining us now Jackie Howard Crime Story Senior producer Jackie
What is on the website Luigi Mangioni's personal website.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
Oh, there are so many things on their nancy. First,
we have his writings. He reached out to his so
called fans, writing a letter telling everyone how much he
appreciates them getting in touch to him with him rather
asking them to limit what they send, but lets his
fans know that he reads everything that he gets sent.
(21:56):
There's an explanation all from his attorneys on why they
decided to create this website, so that they could counter
any misinformation that they say was put out there about
their clients. They have a link to the website to
raise money and the original goal was five hundred thousand
(22:19):
dollars and by the beginning of this week they had
already reached three quarters, actually more than three quarters of
their goal only with twenty five thousand dollars remaining.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
This as a documentary Who is Luigi Mangioni?
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Number one?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Do I care who he is? And a court of law,
the state only has to prove who did it and
was it in the right jurisdiction.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
That's it. So who is Luigi Mangioni? Listen?
Speaker 16 (22:55):
Who is Luigi Mangioni? Has an actor reading Mangioni's words
from a letter he wrote to authorities, comments he left online,
and statements he made to his mister Cactus Reddit account.
Mangioni says his initial health issues began when he contracted
lime disease at thirteen. Mangione says he started noticing mild
cognitive declines at fifteen, and the symptoms kept getting worse.
(23:19):
He recounts the brain fog and memory loss, yet doctors
could not diagnose a problem. He discusses his back pain
along with bladder and gentital pain.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Okay, a little too much information, but that said, joining
me now renowned chief medical.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Examiner from Terran County.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
That's fort Worth Lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine
at TCU, Doctor Kendall Crowns. Doctor Kendall Crowns, does lime
disease cause insanity?
Speaker 17 (23:53):
Lime disease does cause cognitive issues like memory impairment, kind
of brain fog confusion, But I don't know if it
causes insanity like paranoid delusions or anything like that. I've
never heard of it causing that type of behavior.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Doctor Kindle Crowns.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Are you suggesting that when he had, according to him,
lime disease, as a little boy. He now has such
a bad case of brain fog that he didn't know
right from wrong when he allegedly gunned down the health boss.
Speaker 17 (24:32):
No, I'm not suggesting that he doesn't know right from wrong.
He can have confusion or memory impairment, but I don't
know anything that I've ever read where it says that
they become paranoid or delusional, can't figure out what they're doing,
so that I'm.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Not aware of what exactly is lime disease, Doctor Kendall Crowns.
Speaker 17 (24:51):
Lime disease is caused by Beryllia bacteria, which is carried
in deer ticks, and the deer tick bites you in
the bacteria into your blood stream and.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Then you get So we're blaming the deer tick for.
Speaker 17 (25:07):
Lime disease, yes, but not for shooting the healthcare.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Person joining us, Doctor Kendall Crowns, I'm not mocking you.
I'm mocking the suggestion that a deer tick a bite
at age thirteen, has caused brain fog that somehow excuses
him gunning down an unarmed man on a public street,
leaving behind two boys, little boys.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Without a dad and a widow.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Doctor Crown's now launching a brand new podcast, d A
Dead on Arrival on March four. Doctor Chloe Carmichael, clinical
psychologist and author. Have you ever heard that one that
deer a deer tick lime disease at age thirteen and
(25:59):
mild their words, not mine, mild cognitive decline at age
fifteen is somehow resulting in brain fog that equals insanity
under the law.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Really, No, Nancy, obviously not.
Speaker 10 (26:15):
And that would certainly be a smear to people with
lyme disease everywhere to suggest, you know, that they have
this propensity to just you know, become deranged killers. And
as to the idea that he had any sort of
brain fog, well, it obviously didn't prevent him from you know,
carefully crafting a plan and assembling a ghost gun and
tracking this man down with, as he said, a CAD
(26:35):
computer assisted you know, digital things. He was very sophisticated.
And then his I think of anything, he's suffering from
an acute case. Potentially, though I haven't Metamora, assessed him
of narcissism and grandiosity, you know, when he's spouting off
about his lived experience. What that really means is my perspective,
(26:56):
And so the fact that he thinks that his perspective
is somehow justifies or warns him. He's saying, oh, that healthcare,
that it's costing people's lives.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Well, guess what he did.
Speaker 10 (27:08):
He went in, took somebody's life, and he literally apparently
allegedly wrote wrote words on the bullet. So no, I
don't think that this is a case of brain fog.
To me, this looks like a case of narcissism, grandiosity,
and psychopathy.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Potentially.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I always argue to jury's if you didn't know what
you were doing was wrong, why did you take off
running and hide out after you did it, get rid
of the weapon, change clothes, catch public transport to throw
off your scent. It goes on and on the degree
of planning even in the flight. Now, I want you
to hear what is said about a potential in sanity
(27:47):
plea on a brand new documentary Who is Luigimangioni.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
He started reading the writings of the unibomber take I
found online that I think is interesting.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Violence against them who lead us to destruction is justified as.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Self that's our friends and investigation discovery.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But that last sentence, destruction is justified as self defense.
That's more along the lines in this case as a
cold blooded shooting equaling jury nullification. To Jackie Howard, joining
US Crime Story Senior producer, Jackie, isn't it true that
(28:28):
a legion of as you call them, fans showed up
at the arrayment if we're talking about jury nullification, which
means they know the person committed the act, like an
OJ Simpson, for instance, but they don't care.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
That's what we're looking at. Tell me about the people.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
That had shown up at the arrangement fans, and a
lot of.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
Them, nearly two dozen showed up, means the holding signs,
chanting free luisj Me and Gione, and most of them
were women again, holding signs and just making their presence known.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Suspected United Healthcare CEO killer Luigi Mengioni breaks his silence
for the first time since his arrest, sharing in a statement,
I am overwhelmed by and grateful for everyone.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Clear photos of his face.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
We're what alerted the customers and employees at that McDonald's
in Altoona, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
That's from our friends at Investigation Discovery. So with all
that planning, all that navigating across Manhattan to make his escape.
The defense is entertaining an insanity plea and insanity plea?
What based on the lime disease caused by deer tick
(29:51):
when he was thirteen years old? Now this is after
he Jackie Howard joining us from crime stories. Jackie was
he valedictorian at high school at his elite prep school
and then went on to the Ivy League University of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Do I have that right?
Speaker 8 (30:11):
You have that right, Nacy. He was well known for
his academic prowess, and teachers and students that like bragged
on him constantly about his intelligent approach to everything.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
So let me understand.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
To Daryl Cohen, who has launched many an insanity defense,
the valedictorian that graduated from Ivy League school is going
to plead insanity based on the lyme disease at age thirteen?
Speaker 11 (30:43):
Nancy, what he is doing? Think about this? Go back
days of yesteryear bear fisted heavyweight fights. This is a
fight between the state or the United States government and
Luigi Maggioni for either eth in prison if he wins,
or the death penalty if he loses. Either way, he
(31:05):
is going to go down. It's just a question.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
About the insanity fence and you're not answering, and I
think I know why, guys. Regardless of the dear tick
issue when he was thirteen, he doesn't sing insane when
he is photographed tickling three girls at once.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
In his Honolulu high rise.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
Photos have emerged of Mangioni's time in Hawaii living the
high life. The photos show the accused killer soaking up
the sun, dining with friends, and carousing with a pair
of beautiful young women. One photo shows Mangioni cuddled up
on the couch next to a grinning woman, his arm
draped behind her. Another snap in a breezeway shows Mangoni
tickling the two women while they laugh.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Okay, there was a tickle victim number three, but that said.
In this new documentary, comparisons are drawn between Luigi Mangioni
and the murder victim.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Listen.
Speaker 15 (32:06):
A new documentary called Who Is Luigi Mangoni traces the
lives a suspect Mangioni and his victim, CEO Brian Thompson,
and shows how at one point in their lives they
had a lot in common, with both being valedictorian of
their high school class. The story of the two Men
also details the rapidest sin of Thompson, who came from
a rather modest home life growing up while Mangoni grew
(32:27):
up with expensive private schools where money was never an issue,
and how their lives intersected on a deadly morning in December.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
That's right, Mangioni growing up with a silver spoon in
his mouth. Note a fork and a spoon, pure silver.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Listen.
Speaker 15 (32:40):
The suspected killer of United Health CEO Brian Thompson comes
from a wealthy, educated, connected Maryland family. His grandfather grew
up poor as a first generation American who built a
real estate business that includes country clubs and media investments.
Mangoni is the cousin of Republican Maryland House of Delegates
member Nino Mangoni. His mother, cath Lean Zenino Mangoni, owns
(33:01):
a travel company, and his sister, Maria Santamanzoni, is a
respected doctor, a medical resident a ut Southwestern Medical Center
in Dallas after graduating from Vanderbilt Medical School.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
So he was born.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
In money, more money than any of us can really
even imagine. Yet somehow he is representing himself as Robin Hood,
taking from the rich, giving to the poor. That Robin
Hood and threw in a premeditated murder into it. Now,
legal pundits are claiming that Luigi Mangoni will never be
(33:37):
convicted because of a jury in validating the entire state's
case jury nullification because they are angry at the.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Health care industry.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
That aside, I'm concerned about a groupie getting on the jury.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Listen to this.
Speaker 16 (33:56):
The defense team asks that supporters limit the number of items.
It's pointed out that quote Luigi is allowed to receive
photos via Shutterfly and free prints in accordance with male procedures.
It continues, Luigi appreciates the photos that are sent and
kindly asks that people send no more than five photos
at a time. In his public statement, Mangioni writes, while
(34:19):
it is impossible for me to reply to most letters,
please know that I read everyone that I receive. Thank
you again to everyone who took time to write. I
look forward to hearing more in the future.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
To Tom Smith, joining us NYPD detective for thirty years,
also assigned to the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force and
co host of gold Shields podcast, Tom, how do you
think that makes law enforcement feel much less? The victim's
(34:51):
family the two little boys and the wife that find
out daddy's gunned down on the street because he's a
CEO of a healthcare in stree Player. So now Luigimnngioni
and his website, which is soliciting money up to a
half a million dollars at this time, is saying, don't
(35:13):
send me more than five photos at once.
Speaker 12 (35:15):
It's just disgraceful and it's a slap in the face
to victim, victim, his family, the children, all the hard
work in law enforcement did, because all they're doing is
propping him up to be this messiah and this celebrity
when all he is is a cold bloody killer. This
goes to you know, we mentioned this once before. You know,
it's like Charles Manson, the Menendez Brothers, Richard Vermirez, all
(35:38):
of these you know, followers that come out for this
cold blooded killer is just an attempt to taint a
jury pool if they go in that direction. That's what
I feel. And the Netflix series is doing the same thing.
They're just reaching out and trying to get doubt into
anyone's mind into this kid is a celebrity, he's not
(35:58):
a murderer. And the prosecution band defense good and hopefully
it just doesn't work that people see through this.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Apparently Mangioni is developing a cult following.
Speaker 16 (36:09):
Luigi Mangioni's cult following says his prosecution is part quote
of a corporate backed narrative and that the case against
him is unprecedented. In some online post, Mangioni is praised
as a figure of humanitarianism and anti capitalism. Online post
ad that Mangioni's prosecution is both unprecedented and a sign
(36:31):
of government overreach. Supporters called for a ban on id's
new documentary Who Is Luigi Mangioni.
Speaker 15 (36:39):
Some social media users are using the murder of United
Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson to make a statement by urging
potential jurors in any future trial of Luigi Mangoni to
acquit the alleged murderer even if they think he's guilty.
These so called gen Z influencers are urging other social
media users to become familiar with jury nullification. This is
(37:00):
when a jury returns a not guilty verdict even when
they believe the person is guilty.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
To the people who are going to end up on
that jury for that guy who shot the CEO.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
They haven't caught him yet.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
Just remember that if all they have is circumstantial evidence
an eyewitness reports, you don't have to make that man guilty.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Okay, talk about a groupie possibly getting on the jury.
That was TikTok user neam h.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
And it's not just them.
Speaker 18 (37:30):
Listen, this is this is an attractive you know, we
got to drop the banner, sure why? And it's it
is deeply troubling that we are celebrating this person who's
committed cold blooded murderer.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Whoa, whoa, that's why, CNN Jackie Howard, did I just
hear the anchors say drop the banner so she could get.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
A full on body shot to see his chest.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
That's exactly what you heard, Nancy.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Okay, I don't believe. I want to hear it again.
Speaker 18 (37:56):
This is this is an attractive you know, we got
to drop the banner.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
That's sure why.
Speaker 18 (38:00):
And it is deeply troubling that we are celebrating this
person who's committed cold blooded murder.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
That's where our friends at CNN, Daryl, I actually think
she said drop the banner, and you'll see why.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
I think there was a lot of cross talk. Did
you hear that.
Speaker 11 (38:14):
I heard it, Nancy, And what bothers me is she
is saying one thing and doing another by dropping the banner.
He is supposed to be endearing to the American public
as a not as a murderer, not as an assassin,
but is a really good guy. So this is troubling
to me to steal her words.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Mangioni's fame is apparently worldwide.
Speaker 16 (38:40):
Increased support for Luigi Mangioni and the use of his
image is cropping up in unusual places. Some social media
posts show the accused killer's likeness being featured on birthday cakes.
A German mother surprised her daughter and in the video
she can be seen laughing as she cuts the cake.
Printed on the cake is happy birthday, Malve, Sorry I
(39:02):
can't be at your party this time. According to the
birthday Girl, the cake was a joke. Even more over
the top, A bar recently hosting a Valentine's Day themed
love letter event for the accused killer.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
A birthday cake in Germany with Mangioni's face on it.
Two Doctor Kendall Crowns are now chief medical Examiner esteemed
lecturer at Burnett' School of Medicine. Doctor Kendall Crowns. What
did the victim endure as he bled out on the sidewalk?
Do you think you had time to think of as
two little boys?
Speaker 17 (39:35):
Because he's not shot in the head, he has a
time to bleed out, and it'll take a few minutes.
He's conscious, he'll be feeling pain, he'll be having trouble breathing,
He'll becoming cold and then slowly passing out and then
going into a coma in dying.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Hey, you can stick that on your birthday cake.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
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