September 25, 2025 • 44 mins
D4vd was living in a home leased by his manager, Josh Marshal, but since police served a search warrant looking for blood at the residence, the singer has decided not to live in the $20,000-a-month home.
The home was leased from the owner, Mladen Trifunovic, who says Marshal signed the lease in February and he didn't know D4vd was living in the house. Regardless, after the raid on the home, Trifunovic says they didn't want to live there anymore and are breaking the lease.
Trifunovic says he doesn't know what was found or what kind of tests were conducted in the house.
Now, police are scouring the area around the home where the Tesla with the dismembered and decomposing body in the frunk was parked before being towed, and they are looking for video.
The rental home has security cameras positioned at all entry points, in the backyard, and on the street so people can't go in or out of the house without being recorded.
Even as police investigate, photos are circulating alleging Celeste was with D4vd at his concert in Silver Springs, Maryland, on August 24.
If true, these photos create a timeline from August 24 until her dismembered, decomposing body is found in D4vd's Tesla in an impound lot on September 8, one day after her 15th birthday.
It is reported the Tesla was parked on the street for a month before it was reported abandoned on September 3rd and towed to the impound lot on September 5.
The footage shows a person looking very much like Celeste Rivas on the balcony to the side and back of the stage. This is an area usually reserved for backstage pass access only.
Her hair is the same style as Celeste's, and she is wearing a black tube top and ripped blue jeans. Even though police haven't given out much information about the body found in the Tesla, they have said she was wearing a black tube top and ripped jeans.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Troy Slaten - Los Angeles Criminal Defense Attorney, Slaten Lawyers; X @TroySlaten
- Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, Atlanta Ga. Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University, Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital
- Moses Castillo - Private Investigator for the Dordulian Law Group, Former Supervisor Detective with the Los Angeles Police Department
- Tami Ballard - DNA and Crime Scene Consultant, Crime Scene Investigation and Reconstruction, Former DNA Criminalist in the San Francisco Police Dept. Crime Laboratory
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Host of NEW Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue”, Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Melissa McCarty - Reporter & Host of the “Killer Genes” Podcast, Author of “The Making of a Crime Reporter;" TikTok: McCarty143, Instagram: MelissaMcCarty1
- Dave Mack - Crime Stories Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the singer David Anthony Burke
known as David. It looks like D four VD has
fled his twenty thousand dollars a month home, breaking a
(00:22):
very expensive lease. Why why run out and flee your
home in the middle of the night. Are you concerned
about what forensic evidence is found in the home or
does it hold bad memories? This as a blood soaked
video emerges after a teen girl just thirteen years old,
(00:47):
when she goes missing, Celeste, is found dead in the
trunk of his Tesla LAPD. Why no arrest? I needs
he This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you
for being with us. You can smell the truck as
(01:07):
you approached the tesla. How can somebody put a then
thirteen year old little girl in a truck and leave
the car there for weeks on? And an integral part
of any homicide investigation is a time line. It's critical
(01:29):
based on a timeline, you can alibi people, you can
unalibi other people that you're looking at as a suspect.
It changes everything. And in the last hours, a video
has emerged potentially placing this little girl just thirteen years
old when she goes missing at a David d four
(01:54):
VD concert in Maryland on August twenty four. Significance very quickly.
Dave mack joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave mac win.
Was Celeste's body found in David Burke's Tesla Trump. She
was found on September the eighth, and it had been
(02:16):
sitting out on the street in posh Hollywood Hills for
weeks that we know of. So that gives me a timeline.
That's what I'm getting at. And this will be very
significant when we have doctor Kendall Crown's right now medical
examiner explain the degree of dcomp in this little girl's body.
(02:37):
So if she is alive, if this is in fact
her in the video August twenty four, and then we've
got September seven, that gives me a timeline. Let's take
a look at the video right now. This video has
been circulating video from at clips of David on TikTok. Now,
isn't it true? Melissa McCarty joining me, I investigative reporter,
(03:01):
host of the Killer Jeans podcast, author of the Making
of a Crime Reporter. Melissa, Thank you for being with us.
Isn't it true that Celeste's body was found in a
black tube top and ripped jeans. Isn't that true, Melissa?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
She was about seventy five miles away from where she
was living with her family in Lake Elsinoor in the
Hollywood Hills.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Now, I'm going to come back to you on that, Melissa,
because I don't think she was living with her family anymore.
She wasn't one time, and then she goes missing. And
according to neighbors that we have heard about tonight, she
had been living with this grown man, David Anthony Burke
aka David for a long time. Some sources date her
(03:45):
relationship back to her age eleven. Did you see that
picture of her as a little girl, Yeah, age eleven,
We could establish age thirteen. You are seeing video from
at clips of David on TikTok. I want to see
that again because now we are learning. We are learning.
(04:08):
Moses Castillo joining me, former supervisor detective at LAPD, private
investigator for the Dordellian Law Group. Castillo. Look at this.
People are saying, no, that's not her. So it's a
woman that a young girl that looks just like her,
that is wearing her clothes, that is in a balcony
reserved for special guests and family and Moses Castillo. Uh oh,
(04:34):
by the way, this is from atclips of David on
TikTok Moses same clothes. People are saying, oh, wait, I
don't think that's her, Sure looks like her. Who should
I believe them? Are my lying eyes?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yes, I believe it is her, and I believe many
people also believe it's her, beginning in several dms on
my social media with that same video saying oh my gosh,
he killed her in August.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Guys, this is from a over Springs, Maryland concert August
twenty four, and if true, these photos create a timeline
from August twenty four until her decomposing body is found
in Burke artists known as David Tesla in an m
pound lot on September eight. Is reported the Tesla was
(05:21):
parked on the street for about a month before being
reported abandoned. There is I assume that is the front
of the to lot. It was reported abandoned September three.
Now we now have a timeline from August twenty four
to September three, not when the body was discovered in
(05:47):
the parking in the toe lot, but when it was abandoned.
The body was already in there. We have now narrowed
the timeline down from August twenty four to September three.
Me right now is a renowned medical examiner. And when
I say that, I mean it. I go to doctor
(06:07):
Kendall Crown's repeatedly on and off air with questions why.
Because he has performed over ten thousand autopsies. I'm talking accident,
natural causes, suicide, homicide, and of course undetermined deaths. He
has autopsied infants, the elderly, bizarre deaths and found the
(06:33):
answer from inside his morgue. He is the host a
hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue, and he is a
chief medical examiner in Terran County that's Fort Worth, and
esteemed lecturer at the Brenet School of Medicine at TCU.
Doctor Crowns, what does this mean to you? The fact
that we have a narrow timeline August twenty fourth to
(06:55):
September three. Her body was an advanced eight of decomposure.
I don't even know if we're going to get a
cod cause of death.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Well with individuals that have been placed in trunks or
have been murdered and then not found for a period
of time, especially in a warm environment, you can have
a significant amount of decomposition and cur where the body
begins to blow or fill up with gases. It turns
the discoloration of a green discoloration. It almost gets a
black color. At some points the skin starts to slip off,
(07:26):
and this can obscure injuries, but it won't completely obscure
gunshot wounds and knife wounds. It can actually make strangulations
hard to detect. But all in all, you can still
can you.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
See your monitor as you're just tripping is the word
just tripping off your tongue? You see who we're talking about,
that little girl. You're talking about our body turning green
and then black, And how I don't know how you
do that? How you just look at this gorgeous little
girl just thirteen at the time she goes missing and
(08:02):
talk about her skin turning green. Okay, that's for you
and your strength to figure out how we're going to
get a CEOD on this little girl.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
By doing a complete autopsy, they'll be able to evaluate
the body for injuries and any fractures or anything of
that nature. You can look at the neck structures, looking
at the hyoid bone, which is a bone in the
neck looking for fractures things of that nature. You can
look at the skeletal system looking for fractures of the bone.
You can still see the skin surface even though they're decomposing,
(08:34):
and you can see injuries that look like gunshot wounds
or stabbings. The only problem is when the body is decomposing,
if you get insect activity. Insects can alter how injuries
will look, and they can also create their own burrowing
into the body that can look like injuries themselves. So
you're going to want to look for blood.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Okay, stop right there.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Place.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You are now talking about a very very advanced technolog
and it is for entomology, where the age of for instance,
a blowfly, a maggot, the age of the maggot can
determine how long the body has been dead because maggots
(09:22):
or blowflies appear at a certain point in decomposition. So
if they're one day old, two days old, three days old,
if they have already laid their own eggs, that can
give you a date of death. Did I enunciate that correctly? Yes, The.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Life cycle of a blowfly can be helpful in trying
to help pinpoint the time frame in which this individual died,
although the life cycle can be altered by things like cocaine,
which can speed up the life cycle, So you have
to take into effect environmental conditions around it when you're
making those determinations on how long that individual's been dead.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Many listeners and viewers have asked, how can a blowfly
get into a sealed trunk? And, as you know with
the Tesla, it's a fronk. The trunk is in the front,
but they somehow managed to get in spaces that seem
to be hermetically sealed. I don't know how they do it,
(10:28):
but they do get in, and their existence can help
you pinpoint a time of death. Now, I'd like to
draw the attention of our veterans trial lawyer Troy Slayton
to a video. I'm about to play Slayton out of
this jurisdiction LA criminal defense attorney at Slayton Lawyers. Let's
(10:51):
roll the video. Please take a look, Troy Slayton. Oh,
who's that? Oh it's the artist known as what's he doing? Oh?
He's putting a dead, bloody body into a car trunk.
Let's just let that soak in for a moment, Okay,
(11:14):
Chroyce Layton joining me. Guys, this is from David YouTube.
That's not helping any potential defense.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
So we're going to prosecute people now because of their art.
We're going to prosecute people because of music videos that
were heavily produced and edited and created by a team
of creative experts.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
I don't think so, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
He also had a casket on stage sometimes what he
would perform. So just because he was obsessed with these
morbid themes, that doesn't mean that he's a murderer.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I don't think that's really helping anything.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
That you bring up a task which shows the perfect
thing for somebody who wants to frame him.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I'm totally not hiring you anymore when I when I
murder someone, If you're going to bring up that I've
been obsessing on a casket and then I commit a murder,
no no, no no no, uh no, Slaton, he's obsessed
with this the video Again, it's not just that he
may be obsessed with death. Here's an mo O. You
(12:24):
know what that is, right, modus operadi method of debt,
method of operation. Can I see the video? This is
not a casket. This is him dragging a body. As
you say, for art sake and putting it in a trunk,
a dead alsody, a bloody dead a trunk. That's the
(12:45):
method of operation here.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
There's all sorts of other imagery that's going on here.
And this is a a person, an artist who's obsessed
with Japanese anime which glorifies certain death and alter egos.
He talked about having an alter ego that was obsessed
(13:08):
with death.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
And so I don't think that some music video.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Well, what's really interesting that you would say that because
you remember the name Orenthal J. Simpson, right a J. Simpson.
He talked about sports on TV, but he also had
a premonition that he murdered his wife, Nicole.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
And he did you mean the book if I did it.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Trust me, if you did it. I am not making
a cameo appearance as a defense attorney. Just know that.
And while you chalk this up to freedom of expression
in First Amendment, you know what, Just stop that. Doctor
Angela Arnold is a psychiatrist who has been voted to
the top of all sorts of accolades. She's an Angela Arnold,
(13:52):
MD and former Professor Psychiatry at Emma University, former medical
director its Psychiatric clinic at Grady Memorial, which is known
for its high traffic. Dodriangie, thank you for being with us. Yes,
Chroice late and I knew who's going to fall back
on the first Amendment there, But I want you to
(14:12):
look again at your monitor and tell me who creates
that who I mean think about because so remember how
he treated women in his life like crap And I'm
putting that very mildly. And his art showed them dissected
and in cubes, and their bodies all ripped apart and
very ugly, like their tongues hanging out and their eyes
(14:37):
one over here and one over here. Yes, that was
freedom of expression too, and he also hated women. So
help me out with this video. I'm not saying this
is state's exhibit number one. I think we're going to
have hard evidence if this ever goes to trial as
to who murdered this little girl. But I want you
to analyze this video.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
SoC The control and domination that can be shown in
this are signs for the musician of hyper masculinity. So
that is what we're seeing in his in his performance.
That is what is what he is in acting. He
is in acting the thoughts in his head that give
(15:19):
him hyper masculinity.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I'm not really sure how you're equating depicting murder and
hiding the body in a car trunk with masculinity. But again,
that's figure out.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
What it's for, because these are signs of control and dominance.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
What more control could you have or someone than.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
Wrapping a body up and putting it in the trunk
of a car. To me, that is the sign of
ultimate control.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Actually, Troy Slayton does have a good point. The video
in itself proves nothing, and it can be argued it's
just his art. So let's talk about hard evidence. I
want to see the picture that some say is not Celeste,
who happens to be according to Melissa McCarty joining us,
(16:09):
star of Killer and Jeans podcast. Some are saying that's
not her, So I guess it's somebody wearing her tube
top and her jenes with similar hair. Can I say
the video? I don't know how to act it out
for you, with the same hairstyle, the same mannerisms and
(16:35):
sitting in the box reserved for friends and family. This
clip from David on TikTok.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
Photo circulating alleging Celeste was with David at his concert
in Silver Springs, Maryland, on August twenty fourth. If true,
these photos create a timeline from August twenty fourth until
her dismembered, decomposing body is found in David's Tesla in
an impound lot on September. It's reported that tesla was
parked on the street for a month before it was
(17:04):
reported abandoned on September third, in toad on September fifth.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Way, wait, well, look answer that one. That still mean
if you don't have thirteen year old girlfriend is found
dismembered and decomposing in your tesla.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Neighbors complained about a foul order coming from the tesla.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Neighbors now reporting that Celeste Rivas had been living with
the artist known as David. It looks like d four
VD for a long time. So how old was she
when she moved in with him? And what interest would
he have in a little girl? Curious? That video we
just showed you is him with her. That's her in life.
(17:51):
She's dead, found decomposing in his Tesla trunk. I want
to show you another video that we dug up. Take
a look at this. The words I got time to
kill you got time to fill. We got blood to
spill all over the new car seats that I'm sleeping on. Okay,
(18:14):
let that sink in just for a moment. You got
time to feel. We got blood to spill all over
the new car seats that I'm sleeping on. She's dead.
I'm curious. Straight out to Tammy Ballard joining US DNA
crime scene consultant, crime scene Investigation and Reconstruction, former DNA
(18:37):
criminalist in the San Diego p D crime lab. Never
a lack of business there, Tammy Ballard, thank you for
being with us. Explain to me, I know all the
focus is on the trunk of that car, where her
body was not only decomposing, but dismembered. Tell me there's
(18:58):
not going to be a tertiary crime saying such as
where her body was dismembered. That said, all the focus
is on the trunk. What about the rest of the car.
What about the seats of the car? He sings about
blood on the car seats? How do you process a
sail like this? How long will it take? Tammy Ballard?
Speaker 5 (19:17):
The rest of the vehicle is fair game. You are
going to need to be looking up and you're going
to need to be looking under You always want to
see what's.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
On the ceiling of the vehicle.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
You want to see has whipped through possible seats because
a lot of the cleaning that gets done doesn't actually
get rid of any of the blood if this truly
is the crime scene. So a lot of the issues
are going to be where do we find the blood
and making sure you don't miss the blood, so literally
(19:53):
pulling those seats out, cutting through that material and making
sure that there is not blood stature through onto that film,
which is definitely some of my.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Cases crime stories with Nancy Grace, Timmy Ballard, you just
brought up a really interesting point and I hope LAPD
criminologists are hearing what you're saying. It's reminding me of
(20:26):
the murder of a little boy and when you look
in his room, you don't see anything. You see no
evidence of a crime at all. When criminologists ripped up
the carpet, on that carpet liner that goes under your
carpet between the cement or the hardwood floor and the
actual carpet, there's a map, there's like a filler right there.
(20:49):
It was soaked, soaked with the little boy's blood. But
you couldn't see it. So you're saying, Timmy Ballard, which
mini people have not discussed this, You're saying the seats
have to be ripped open to see if blood has
soaked down into the foam under the car seat cover.
(21:11):
Is that what you're saying exactly?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
And I have worked those carpets from residents as well.
That Liz A. Sullivan case in San Diego is a
big one. It actually had saturation stains all the way
through to the wood subfloor. And that's because you have
that wicking material just like you would have in the
foam seating of a vehicle, and if you try to
(21:34):
clean that stay with a carpet cleaner or some sort
of cleaning agent on top of a car seat, that
doesn't necessarily get rid of that blood. And usually bad
today with a case like this, there's probably going to
be a lot of blood. They're going to assume that
they've been able to clean that up if they were
still using the vehicle or the residence, and it's but
(21:56):
you can't get rid of it once it.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Gets through that surface.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
So hoping that they do a very thorough job and
just absolutely tear that vehicle apart and tear his residents apart.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Tammy Ballard, I assume that you send your car and
get its oil change right at an oil change station,
not you sliding under it in your garage, but where
they jack it up and then they go under it
and work or repairing. That's what has to be done here.
(22:30):
We just investigated the case of missing mom Nikki Cheng
and her bloody sheets were found in the trunk of
her truck. But when the car was jacked up and
they looked under it, blood in mass quantity had leaked
down into the underworkings of the car. Changing all not
(22:53):
a good example. You don't need to necessarily get under
the car for that car repair. They're going to have
to jack this car up to say if blood has
soaked down, how does that work?
Speaker 5 (23:03):
They're going to have to put it up on They
have should have the equipment available, especially with LA, to
put those up on jacks where you can actually get
a very thorough nowsip under the vehicle. But I would
say the undercar vehicle. But I would also stress that
this is probably if it's the crime scene.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
The primary crime scene, it's going to be.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Most likely contained within that vehicle with all of those
materials that can actually soak up blood. I've had a
case where a woman would stabbed ninety one times in
the passenger seat, very very thorough cleaning by the perpetrator.
But you're obviously going to miss something. There's good thing
(23:52):
is that most people can't effectively clean up a crime
scene to absolutely get rid of everything. So I would
be willing to bet there's some decent evidence within that.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
In this one. Tammy Ballard, I think that's quite the understatement.
Because the killer left the body in the trunk. I
don't think there was an extensive cleanup at all, And
curious before I move on to the next topic, tammy
Ballard just said you have to look up and down.
Dan would be cutting open the seats and looking at
the foam under the seat cover and the undercarriage of
(24:24):
the car. But up you said, you have to look
at the top of the car and the dome. Explain why,
and you're right, of course.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
I think most people forget. I shouldn't say most people forget.
I would hope that most people would be in this
field would remember to always look up. You need to
look at the feeling of that vehicle. If that's where
that crime scene occurs, you need to look behind the
you know, the mirrors, everything, just to see if there's
(24:55):
any potential blood spatter evidence that's present that could easily
get overlooked if you're not very, very thorough and looking
at the entirety of the inside of that vehicle.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
We learned that overnight the musician known as David flees
his three plus million dollar mansi and he was paying
twenty thousand dollars a month and breaks a lease, so
getting out of that mansion was more important to him
than losing a lot of money.
Speaker 10 (25:28):
Burke was living in a home leased by his manager,
Josh Marshall, but since police served a search warrant looking
for blood at the residence, the singer decided not to
live in the twenty thousand dollars a month home. The owner,
Laden Tryfuonoevic says Marshall signed the lease in February and
he didn't know Burke was living in the house. After
the raid, Tryffuonevick says, they didn't want to live there
anymore and are breaking the lease. The home was previously
(25:51):
owned by halle Berry.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You're not seeing really good shot of it. At the
beautiful side of the front. Oh, by the way, these
shots are from our friend Harvey Levin over at TMZ.
Take a look at this. So he leaves and breaks
a lease. Coincidentally, Melissa McCarty joining US investigative reporter and
(26:13):
host of Killer Jean's podcast. He breaks the lease to
the tune of tens of thousands of dollars. He may
have had to pay out the lease. I don't know
how many years it went, twenty thousand a month for
how long, how many months? How many years? He breaks
the lease and flees in the middle of the night.
Tell me about the search of that mansion that just
(26:36):
went down, the mansion that once belonged to halle Berry.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Well, police officers are looking for anything to help build
a case at this point. So they're looking for traces
of blood throughout the property. They're also collecting all kinds
of electronics because they also.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
A huge issue here.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
They need to prove the extent of this relationship that
he had with this child, you know, So they're looking
at communications, so when the met, what age was she
when they connected, So anything that could help them build
a physical and digital forensic pathway.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
You know, very curious to Moses Castillo joining us former
LAPD detective supervising detective. How do you go about placing
the time she started living there? According to neighbors, it
was a long time ago. She went missing at age thirteen.
Some allegations the relationship started much longer than before she
(27:30):
was thirteen, much longer before now.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
One of the things they'll do is they're going to
analyze all the digital evidence, cell phone records of south
Side locations, any interviews with people close to the family,
close to her friends, interviewing students from her classroom. All
those are going to be very important to conduct in
a very thorough manner.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Troy Slayton joining US, a veteran defense attorney out of
this jurisdiction, La Troy, I guess you're going to tell
me that it means nothing that he fled the home
they shared, So I guess he never thought she was
going to walk back in the front door.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Well, you said that he broke his lease.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
I think that the reporting is that his manager actually
is the one who signed the lease, is the one
who is legally responsible for the twenty thousand dollars a
month lease payment. It was not the artist known as David,
And I would think that after the police conduct a
raid at a home and remove all types of evidence.
(28:33):
I wouldn't want to be there either, So I think
that seems perfectly reasonable.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So you don't think there's any chance that celest was
actually killed there by the way this video from our
friends at Fox eleven.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Oh, she certainly could have been. And I think that
there's a lot of video. We live in the digital
age where everyone has a ring camera, everyone in that
neighborhood has advanced security systems and CCTV. The police are
going to be coming through everything. If a body was
dragged out of that house, we're going to eventually have
(29:08):
video event, either video from the house security footage itself,
or by a neighbor, or by the tesla which also
has about six cameras all around.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
It that are recording at various times.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
In the night. The musician known as David it looks
like d four VD flees his home, his mansion in
upscale Hollywood heels after it was searched and processed for
fingerprints and blood. His little girlfriend who took up with
(29:43):
him that we know of around thirteen years old, has
been found dead in his Tesla trunk tonight. No arrest
This brings to mind another little girl whose caseign investigator
Her name was Miranda Corsette. Now here is home video.
It's surveillance video of Miranda. There, she's to the right,
(30:07):
She's walking around in the alleged killer's front yard, and
then we see her walking back into the home. This
little teen girl was tortured, brutalized and murdered. She was
seen by neighbors in the home completely naked, crying in
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the corner. Now, Miranda Corsette is seen walking into the home,
but not much after that, she is seen being carried
out of the home and placed in the killer's car trunk.
Keep watching. It's like he doesn't even care if the
(30:51):
neighbors are watching, much less their security cams going the
whole time. Yeah, he puts little more in the trunk,
slams it shut, and then wipes his hand like okay,
task accomplished. My only question is is video going to
(31:15):
emerge in the current case of a little teen girl
found dead in a trunk. I'm referring, of course, to
Celeste Rivas joining me in Alstar Pound to make sense
of what we are learning, and I'd like to see
now the photos taken by TMZ our friend Harvey Levin
that show the outside of the home. As you see
(31:40):
the red errors arrows are pointing at what we believe
to see home video. Take a listen to this.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
Police are scouring the area around the home where the
tesla with the dismembered and decomposing body in the trunk
was parked before being told, and they are looking for video.
The rental home has security camera's position at all entry
points in the backyard and on the street, so people
can't go in or out of the house without being recorded.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Straight out to Moses Caristillo joining us former supervising Detective Lapd,
I want to hear your take on that. What you
would make of it if any of that video had
been deleted, if that's true, and how that video, especially
if it's up in the cloud, how is that video
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recaptured and used?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yes, Ntsie, what they're going to do is a very
thorough search of this location from top to bottom. Head
information I have is that the prosecution teams are already
on board with the elite team of detectives at Robert
Homeside Division, So that tells me that they're being very down.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Slow down, slow down. The train because my follow up
question to you is going to be why is this
being investigated by robbery at LAPD. This is not about
a robbery, this is about a homicide. But you're telling
me an assistant district attorney has already been assigned to
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the case.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yes, So, Robbery Homside Division is the elite team of
detectives that investigate not only robberies, but homicides as well,
especially those complex murder investigations. And I have information that
a signed prosecutor is already on board with this team
of detectives. And that's awesome because it get to see
things real time now playing catch up at a later time.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I want to talk to you about the fact that
you're saying LAPD robbery homicide. Much has been made online
that LAPD Robbery is investigating the case, but you're saying
it's one of the same robbery homicide.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yes, it's actually a named Robbery Homside Division is the
name of the division. It's a specialized unit that the
best of the best of detectives are assigned to this
unit and the investiation get to know.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Because Castillo, I want to just put out that fire
right now for our online sluice don't stop sleuthing, keep sleuthing,
but let me take you off that particular avenue of inquiry. So, Moses,
you're saying that all of this cam video is being amassed,
and if this girl was carried out or walked out
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of that mansion at any time leading up to the
discovery of her in the musician known as Davids Tesla trunk,
We're going to get it. And that includes next door neighbors, neighbors,
across the street, you name it. And think about this, Castillo,
what about cam video of who is moving that car
from place to place to place in Hollywood Hills and
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who put it there to start with, because whoever did
that is somebody I want to talk to.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Castillo absolutely, And you know what, the Teslas recorded video
all the time, so I'm sure they're going to look
at that as well. And yes, every bit of digital
evidence will be examined. I'm thoroughly investigated by these detectives
who are dedicated to uncover the truth ultimately getting justice.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
For Celesti crime stories with Nancy Grace another issue on
Missus Cristillo. Our online sleuths had been working twenty four
to seven on this and they were concerned this had
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not been set in homicide because there was not a
CD or any evidence that Celeste had been murdered. Let
me throw that to doctor Kendall Crown. So what would
be the alternative that she crawls into the trunk and
has a heart attack? Of course she was murdered.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
H yes, I mean, nobody's going to go into a
trunk and then shut themselves in willingly that it's obviously
a homicide. We just have to figure out what. And
I think there is some mention that I've seen that
she was possibly dismembered, which is obviously not something that
would occur naturally.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
And another thing, Doctor Kendle Crown, speaking of partial dismemberment
of this little girl. I got to follow up with
a shrink on that. But doctor Kendall crowns, you can
tell so much from the tool markings on the body
when someone has been dismembered. And since a body is
dismembered with of course some sort of cutting utensil like
a knife, does that lead you to believe her cood
(36:18):
may have been stabbing or statistically it would be some
sort of a strangulation or asphyxiation. Explain that's correct.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
More likely than not, it's a strangulation that followed up
by them cutting her up.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Is there any way that normal decomp which of course
is not normal to decompose in a car trunk, So
right off the bat, that question as a non sequatory
does not follow. But can normal decomposition in any way
resemble partial dismemberment?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Well, if you get like animals scavenging involved, yes, the
limbs can be pulled away from the body by animals,
but usually in normal decomposition, which individuals and.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
We always have nothing to do with this. Can we
stick to the facts, please, doctor Crowns.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Certainly so. She's laying in a trunk where animals can't
get to her. Your limbs are not going to look
like they've been dismembered. If you get to the point
of skeletonization, yes your bones will fall apart, but you
won't look like you've been dismembered.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
There is a clear difference when a body decomposes naturally
as opposed to when the body has been dismembered. You
see tool marks, or you see bones out of place,
there's nothing close to they don't fit together. One will
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not be mistaken for the other. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Yes, that is fair to say.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Now comes the story of two Celeste.
Speaker 10 (37:47):
A video called two Celeste is gaining attention after being
shared on Eggs by Josh our Post with a caption
that reads, quote David, why are there two Celeste?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
The clip features the user.
Speaker 10 (38:00):
Claiming Celeste has two faces, one being a Celeste Revas
Hernandez and another Celeste Herrera, who interacts with Burke on
social media. The claim is that Burke was obsessed with
Celeste and something terrible happened and he can't be with her,
so he's trying to replace her with a look alike.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
To Melissa McCarty, investciad reporter has Stop Killer Jeans podcast
and author of the Making of a Crime Reporter. Again, Melissa,
thanks for being with us tonight. What can you tell
me about the existence of two Celestes?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
This is fascinating and again one of those Internet sleuthing
phenomenons that have researched that the LAPD I'm sure is
trying to track down.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
You have an older.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Adult version Celeste, and then you have the minor Celeste Fernandez.
But the most important information is we have one that
was found dead in the trunk of his vehicle and another.
You really have to investigate the extent of the relationship.
Did he actually know both of them, was he intimate
with either of them? How did he know these two?
And who is this other person? What does she have
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to do with the other.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Well, from what we've been told, Celeste Herrera, the twenty
three year old, interacts extensively with David on social media.
I'm referring to David Anthony Burke. The claim is that
and this would have to go to doctor Angela Arnold,
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renowned psychiatrists joining us. The claim is that Burke was
obsessed with ten girls, Celeste and that as soon as
she was gone, he's trying to replace her with a lookalike.
Now is that hard evidence? No, it's not. I'm sure
Slayton's doing a backflip right now. But what does what
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do you make of that that a Celeste look alike
is his online protege.
Speaker 8 (39:52):
As you can see with these two young girls, there's
a pattern in how they in how they appear. Feeling
that the younger girl, the younger Celeste, was much easier
for him to control. Jiefs now found someone that appears
to look much like her, and we.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
Don't know what his motives are.
Speaker 8 (40:14):
His motives are, His motives could be directly what we're
doing here. When did these two you.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Know another issue? Doctra Angie. Yeah, we don't even know
the extent of their relationship. For all I know, it's
just an online relationship where she interacts online. But we're
finding out. I want to look at the leaked lyrics
of Burke's song Celeste, Oh Celeste, the girl with my
(40:45):
name tattooed on her chest, smell her on my clothes
like cigarettes. I hear her voice each time I take
in breath. I'm obsessed, Oh Celeste. Now remember thirteen at
the time they started their relationship. Oh Celeste, afraid you'll
only love me when undressed, But you look so damn
(41:07):
gorgeous in that dress. Missing you so much makes me depressed,
But I digress because I love you so much. Okay,
Chroice Layton, Yeah, he's not obsessed, is he? Again?
Speaker 6 (41:21):
This is art, Nancy. You can't convict somebody based on art,
and we keep mentioning that she was thirteen. Now, I
know that this is not a legal defense, and it
wouldn't provide a legal defense in court, But how do
we know what age she said that she was. Uh,
(41:43):
there's been some reporting that she had some fake IDs.
I don't know of anyone that's ever dated somebody.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
It was her fair ID. I'm not saying that's all
those fake IDs. So she was murdering and putting that trunk.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
Not saying that at all.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Well, if it's not a little defense, why are you
just saying it because we're talking about to blame her
with the claim that you think she might have had
a fake IDA?
Speaker 7 (42:07):
Absolutely not, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
But what I am saying is he didn't necessarily know
that she was underage this whole time she was a runaway.
He didn't necessarily know she was living with their family,
or that she was missing. We don't know that he
knew any of this. You were bringing up modus apparandi,
what you do knowledge? That doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Every statutory rapist I've ever met said I thought she
was a How is this any different?
Speaker 6 (42:39):
We've all heard that, Nancy, of course. But what I'm
saying is this just goes to his potential state of mind.
And that's why it's important.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Okay, okay, important to you, not to me. She's dead
and I want to know who did it, and I
want to remind everyone that the music known as David,
his real name is David Anthony Burke's innocent. He stands
innocent tonight. He will not be guilty unless he has
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been charged and proven guilty in a court of law
by a jury of his peers. If you know or
think you know anything about the disappearance and death of
this little girl, Celeste, please dial two one three four
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Speaker 4 (44:10):
M hm
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the singer David Anthony Burke
known as David. It looks like D four VD has
fled his twenty thousand dollars a month home, breaking a
(00:22):
very expensive lease. Why why run out and flee your
home in the middle of the night. Are you concerned
about what forensic evidence is found in the home or
does it hold bad memories? This as a blood soaked
video emerges after a teen girl just thirteen years old,
(00:47):
when she goes missing, Celeste, is found dead in the
trunk of his Tesla LAPD. Why no arrest? I needs
he This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you
for being with us. You can smell the truck as
(01:07):
you approached the tesla. How can somebody put a then
thirteen year old little girl in a truck and leave
the car there for weeks on? And an integral part
of any homicide investigation is a time line. It's critical
(01:29):
based on a timeline, you can alibi people, you can
unalibi other people that you're looking at as a suspect.
It changes everything. And in the last hours, a video
has emerged potentially placing this little girl just thirteen years
old when she goes missing at a David d four
(01:54):
VD concert in Maryland on August twenty four. Significance very quickly.
Dave mack joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave mac win.
Was Celeste's body found in David Burke's Tesla Trump. She
was found on September the eighth, and it had been
(02:16):
sitting out on the street in posh Hollywood Hills for
weeks that we know of. So that gives me a timeline.
That's what I'm getting at. And this will be very
significant when we have doctor Kendall Crown's right now medical
examiner explain the degree of dcomp in this little girl's body.
(02:37):
So if she is alive, if this is in fact
her in the video August twenty four, and then we've
got September seven, that gives me a timeline. Let's take
a look at the video right now. This video has
been circulating video from at clips of David on TikTok. Now,
isn't it true? Melissa McCarty joining me, I investigative reporter,
(03:01):
host of the Killer Jeans podcast, author of the Making
of a Crime Reporter. Melissa, Thank you for being with us.
Isn't it true that Celeste's body was found in a
black tube top and ripped jeans. Isn't that true, Melissa?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
She was about seventy five miles away from where she
was living with her family in Lake Elsinoor in the
Hollywood Hills.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Now, I'm going to come back to you on that, Melissa,
because I don't think she was living with her family anymore.
She wasn't one time, and then she goes missing. And
according to neighbors that we have heard about tonight, she
had been living with this grown man, David Anthony Burke
aka David for a long time. Some sources date her
(03:45):
relationship back to her age eleven. Did you see that
picture of her as a little girl, Yeah, age eleven,
We could establish age thirteen. You are seeing video from
at clips of David on TikTok. I want to see
that again because now we are learning. We are learning.
(04:08):
Moses Castillo joining me, former supervisor detective at LAPD, private
investigator for the Dordellian Law Group. Castillo. Look at this.
People are saying, no, that's not her. So it's a
woman that a young girl that looks just like her,
that is wearing her clothes, that is in a balcony
reserved for special guests and family and Moses Castillo. Uh oh,
(04:34):
by the way, this is from atclips of David on
TikTok Moses same clothes. People are saying, oh, wait, I
don't think that's her, Sure looks like her. Who should
I believe them? Are my lying eyes?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yes, I believe it is her, and I believe many
people also believe it's her, beginning in several dms on
my social media with that same video saying oh my gosh,
he killed her in August.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Guys, this is from a over Springs, Maryland concert August
twenty four, and if true, these photos create a timeline
from August twenty four until her decomposing body is found
in Burke artists known as David Tesla in an m
pound lot on September eight. Is reported the Tesla was
(05:21):
parked on the street for about a month before being
reported abandoned. There is I assume that is the front
of the to lot. It was reported abandoned September three.
Now we now have a timeline from August twenty four
to September three, not when the body was discovered in
(05:47):
the parking in the toe lot, but when it was abandoned.
The body was already in there. We have now narrowed
the timeline down from August twenty four to September three.
Me right now is a renowned medical examiner. And when
I say that, I mean it. I go to doctor
(06:07):
Kendall Crown's repeatedly on and off air with questions why.
Because he has performed over ten thousand autopsies. I'm talking accident,
natural causes, suicide, homicide, and of course undetermined deaths. He
has autopsied infants, the elderly, bizarre deaths and found the
(06:33):
answer from inside his morgue. He is the host a
hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue, and he is a
chief medical examiner in Terran County that's Fort Worth, and
esteemed lecturer at the Brenet School of Medicine at TCU.
Doctor Crowns, what does this mean to you? The fact
that we have a narrow timeline August twenty fourth to
(06:55):
September three. Her body was an advanced eight of decomposure.
I don't even know if we're going to get a
cod cause of death.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Well with individuals that have been placed in trunks or
have been murdered and then not found for a period
of time, especially in a warm environment, you can have
a significant amount of decomposition and cur where the body
begins to blow or fill up with gases. It turns
the discoloration of a green discoloration. It almost gets a
black color. At some points the skin starts to slip off,
(07:26):
and this can obscure injuries, but it won't completely obscure
gunshot wounds and knife wounds. It can actually make strangulations
hard to detect. But all in all, you can still
can you.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
See your monitor as you're just tripping is the word
just tripping off your tongue? You see who we're talking about,
that little girl. You're talking about our body turning green
and then black, And how I don't know how you
do that? How you just look at this gorgeous little
girl just thirteen at the time she goes missing and
(08:02):
talk about her skin turning green. Okay, that's for you
and your strength to figure out how we're going to
get a CEOD on this little girl.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
By doing a complete autopsy, they'll be able to evaluate
the body for injuries and any fractures or anything of
that nature. You can look at the neck structures, looking
at the hyoid bone, which is a bone in the
neck looking for fractures things of that nature. You can
look at the skeletal system looking for fractures of the bone.
You can still see the skin surface even though they're decomposing,
(08:34):
and you can see injuries that look like gunshot wounds
or stabbings. The only problem is when the body is decomposing,
if you get insect activity. Insects can alter how injuries
will look, and they can also create their own burrowing
into the body that can look like injuries themselves. So
you're going to want to look for blood.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Okay, stop right there.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Place.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You are now talking about a very very advanced technolog
and it is for entomology, where the age of for instance,
a blowfly, a maggot, the age of the maggot can
determine how long the body has been dead because maggots
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or blowflies appear at a certain point in decomposition. So
if they're one day old, two days old, three days old,
if they have already laid their own eggs, that can
give you a date of death. Did I enunciate that correctly? Yes, The.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Life cycle of a blowfly can be helpful in trying
to help pinpoint the time frame in which this individual died,
although the life cycle can be altered by things like cocaine,
which can speed up the life cycle, So you have
to take into effect environmental conditions around it when you're
making those determinations on how long that individual's been dead.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Many listeners and viewers have asked, how can a blowfly
get into a sealed trunk? And, as you know with
the Tesla, it's a fronk. The trunk is in the front,
but they somehow managed to get in spaces that seem
to be hermetically sealed. I don't know how they do it,
(10:28):
but they do get in, and their existence can help
you pinpoint a time of death. Now, I'd like to
draw the attention of our veterans trial lawyer Troy Slayton
to a video. I'm about to play Slayton out of
this jurisdiction LA criminal defense attorney at Slayton Lawyers. Let's
(10:51):
roll the video. Please take a look, Troy Slayton. Oh,
who's that? Oh it's the artist known as what's he doing? Oh?
He's putting a dead, bloody body into a car trunk.
Let's just let that soak in for a moment, Okay,
(11:14):
Chroyce Layton joining me. Guys, this is from David YouTube.
That's not helping any potential defense.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
So we're going to prosecute people now because of their art.
We're going to prosecute people because of music videos that
were heavily produced and edited and created by a team
of creative experts.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
I don't think so, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
He also had a casket on stage sometimes what he
would perform. So just because he was obsessed with these
morbid themes, that doesn't mean that he's a murderer.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I don't think that's really helping anything.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
That you bring up a task which shows the perfect
thing for somebody who wants to frame him.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I'm totally not hiring you anymore when I when I
murder someone, If you're going to bring up that I've
been obsessing on a casket and then I commit a murder,
no no, no no no, uh no, Slaton, he's obsessed
with this the video Again, it's not just that he
may be obsessed with death. Here's an mo O. You
(12:24):
know what that is, right, modus operadi method of debt,
method of operation. Can I see the video? This is
not a casket. This is him dragging a body. As
you say, for art sake and putting it in a trunk,
a dead alsody, a bloody dead a trunk. That's the
(12:45):
method of operation here.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
There's all sorts of other imagery that's going on here.
And this is a a person, an artist who's obsessed
with Japanese anime which glorifies certain death and alter egos.
He talked about having an alter ego that was obsessed
(13:08):
with death.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
And so I don't think that some music video.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Well, what's really interesting that you would say that because
you remember the name Orenthal J. Simpson, right a J. Simpson.
He talked about sports on TV, but he also had
a premonition that he murdered his wife, Nicole.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
And he did you mean the book if I did it.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Trust me, if you did it. I am not making
a cameo appearance as a defense attorney. Just know that.
And while you chalk this up to freedom of expression
in First Amendment, you know what, Just stop that. Doctor
Angela Arnold is a psychiatrist who has been voted to
the top of all sorts of accolades. She's an Angela Arnold,
(13:52):
MD and former Professor Psychiatry at Emma University, former medical
director its Psychiatric clinic at Grady Memorial, which is known
for its high traffic. Dodriangie, thank you for being with us. Yes,
Chroice late and I knew who's going to fall back
on the first Amendment there, But I want you to
(14:12):
look again at your monitor and tell me who creates
that who I mean think about because so remember how
he treated women in his life like crap And I'm
putting that very mildly. And his art showed them dissected
and in cubes, and their bodies all ripped apart and
very ugly, like their tongues hanging out and their eyes
(14:37):
one over here and one over here. Yes, that was
freedom of expression too, and he also hated women. So
help me out with this video. I'm not saying this
is state's exhibit number one. I think we're going to
have hard evidence if this ever goes to trial as
to who murdered this little girl. But I want you
to analyze this video.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
SoC The control and domination that can be shown in
this are signs for the musician of hyper masculinity. So
that is what we're seeing in his in his performance.
That is what is what he is in acting. He
is in acting the thoughts in his head that give
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him hyper masculinity.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I'm not really sure how you're equating depicting murder and
hiding the body in a car trunk with masculinity. But again,
that's figure out.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
What it's for, because these are signs of control and dominance.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
What more control could you have or someone than.
Speaker 8 (15:40):
Wrapping a body up and putting it in the trunk
of a car. To me, that is the sign of
ultimate control.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Actually, Troy Slayton does have a good point. The video
in itself proves nothing, and it can be argued it's
just his art. So let's talk about hard evidence. I
want to see the picture that some say is not Celeste,
who happens to be according to Melissa McCarty joining us,
(16:09):
star of Killer and Jeans podcast. Some are saying that's
not her, So I guess it's somebody wearing her tube
top and her jenes with similar hair. Can I say
the video? I don't know how to act it out
for you, with the same hairstyle, the same mannerisms and
(16:35):
sitting in the box reserved for friends and family. This
clip from David on TikTok.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
Photo circulating alleging Celeste was with David at his concert
in Silver Springs, Maryland, on August twenty fourth. If true,
these photos create a timeline from August twenty fourth until
her dismembered, decomposing body is found in David's Tesla in
an impound lot on September. It's reported that tesla was
parked on the street for a month before it was
(17:04):
reported abandoned on September third, in toad on September fifth.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Way, wait, well, look answer that one. That still mean
if you don't have thirteen year old girlfriend is found
dismembered and decomposing in your tesla.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Neighbors complained about a foul order coming from the tesla.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Neighbors now reporting that Celeste Rivas had been living with
the artist known as David. It looks like d four
VD for a long time. So how old was she
when she moved in with him? And what interest would
he have in a little girl? Curious? That video we
just showed you is him with her. That's her in life.
(17:51):
She's dead, found decomposing in his Tesla trunk. I want
to show you another video that we dug up. Take
a look at this. The words I got time to
kill you got time to fill. We got blood to
spill all over the new car seats that I'm sleeping on. Okay,
(18:14):
let that sink in just for a moment. You got
time to feel. We got blood to spill all over
the new car seats that I'm sleeping on. She's dead.
I'm curious. Straight out to Tammy Ballard joining US DNA
crime scene consultant, crime scene Investigation and Reconstruction, former DNA
(18:37):
criminalist in the San Diego p D crime lab. Never
a lack of business there, Tammy Ballard, thank you for
being with us. Explain to me, I know all the
focus is on the trunk of that car, where her
body was not only decomposing, but dismembered. Tell me there's
(18:58):
not going to be a tertiary crime saying such as
where her body was dismembered. That said, all the focus
is on the trunk. What about the rest of the car.
What about the seats of the car? He sings about
blood on the car seats? How do you process a
sail like this? How long will it take? Tammy Ballard?
Speaker 5 (19:17):
The rest of the vehicle is fair game. You are
going to need to be looking up and you're going
to need to be looking under You always want to
see what's.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
On the ceiling of the vehicle.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
You want to see has whipped through possible seats because
a lot of the cleaning that gets done doesn't actually
get rid of any of the blood if this truly
is the crime scene. So a lot of the issues
are going to be where do we find the blood
and making sure you don't miss the blood, so literally
(19:53):
pulling those seats out, cutting through that material and making
sure that there is not blood stature through onto that film,
which is definitely some of my.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Cases crime stories with Nancy Grace, Timmy Ballard, you just
brought up a really interesting point and I hope LAPD
criminologists are hearing what you're saying. It's reminding me of
(20:26):
the murder of a little boy and when you look
in his room, you don't see anything. You see no
evidence of a crime at all. When criminologists ripped up
the carpet, on that carpet liner that goes under your
carpet between the cement or the hardwood floor and the
actual carpet, there's a map, there's like a filler right there.
(20:49):
It was soaked, soaked with the little boy's blood. But
you couldn't see it. So you're saying, Timmy Ballard, which
mini people have not discussed this, You're saying the seats
have to be ripped open to see if blood has
soaked down into the foam under the car seat cover.
(21:11):
Is that what you're saying exactly?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
And I have worked those carpets from residents as well.
That Liz A. Sullivan case in San Diego is a
big one. It actually had saturation stains all the way
through to the wood subfloor. And that's because you have
that wicking material just like you would have in the
foam seating of a vehicle, and if you try to
(21:34):
clean that stay with a carpet cleaner or some sort
of cleaning agent on top of a car seat, that
doesn't necessarily get rid of that blood. And usually bad
today with a case like this, there's probably going to
be a lot of blood. They're going to assume that
they've been able to clean that up if they were
still using the vehicle or the residence, and it's but
(21:56):
you can't get rid of it once it.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Gets through that surface.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
So hoping that they do a very thorough job and
just absolutely tear that vehicle apart and tear his residents apart.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Tammy Ballard, I assume that you send your car and
get its oil change right at an oil change station,
not you sliding under it in your garage, but where
they jack it up and then they go under it
and work or repairing. That's what has to be done here.
(22:30):
We just investigated the case of missing mom Nikki Cheng
and her bloody sheets were found in the trunk of
her truck. But when the car was jacked up and
they looked under it, blood in mass quantity had leaked
down into the underworkings of the car. Changing all not
(22:53):
a good example. You don't need to necessarily get under
the car for that car repair. They're going to have
to jack this car up to say if blood has
soaked down, how does that work?
Speaker 5 (23:03):
They're going to have to put it up on They
have should have the equipment available, especially with LA, to
put those up on jacks where you can actually get
a very thorough nowsip under the vehicle. But I would
say the undercar vehicle. But I would also stress that
this is probably if it's the crime scene.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
The primary crime scene, it's going to be.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Most likely contained within that vehicle with all of those
materials that can actually soak up blood. I've had a
case where a woman would stabbed ninety one times in
the passenger seat, very very thorough cleaning by the perpetrator.
But you're obviously going to miss something. There's good thing
(23:52):
is that most people can't effectively clean up a crime
scene to absolutely get rid of everything. So I would
be willing to bet there's some decent evidence within that.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
In this one. Tammy Ballard, I think that's quite the understatement.
Because the killer left the body in the trunk. I
don't think there was an extensive cleanup at all, And
curious before I move on to the next topic, tammy
Ballard just said you have to look up and down.
Dan would be cutting open the seats and looking at
the foam under the seat cover and the undercarriage of
(24:24):
the car. But up you said, you have to look
at the top of the car and the dome. Explain why,
and you're right, of course.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
I think most people forget. I shouldn't say most people forget.
I would hope that most people would be in this
field would remember to always look up. You need to
look at the feeling of that vehicle. If that's where
that crime scene occurs, you need to look behind the
you know, the mirrors, everything, just to see if there's
(24:55):
any potential blood spatter evidence that's present that could easily
get overlooked if you're not very, very thorough and looking
at the entirety of the inside of that vehicle.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
We learned that overnight the musician known as David flees
his three plus million dollar mansi and he was paying
twenty thousand dollars a month and breaks a lease, so
getting out of that mansion was more important to him
than losing a lot of money.
Speaker 10 (25:28):
Burke was living in a home leased by his manager,
Josh Marshall, but since police served a search warrant looking
for blood at the residence, the singer decided not to
live in the twenty thousand dollars a month home. The owner,
Laden Tryfuonoevic says Marshall signed the lease in February and
he didn't know Burke was living in the house. After
the raid, Tryffuonevick says, they didn't want to live there
anymore and are breaking the lease. The home was previously
(25:51):
owned by halle Berry.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You're not seeing really good shot of it. At the
beautiful side of the front. Oh, by the way, these
shots are from our friend Harvey Levin over at TMZ.
Take a look at this. So he leaves and breaks
a lease. Coincidentally, Melissa McCarty joining US investigative reporter and
(26:13):
host of Killer Jean's podcast. He breaks the lease to
the tune of tens of thousands of dollars. He may
have had to pay out the lease. I don't know
how many years it went, twenty thousand a month for
how long, how many months? How many years? He breaks
the lease and flees in the middle of the night.
Tell me about the search of that mansion that just
(26:36):
went down, the mansion that once belonged to halle Berry.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Well, police officers are looking for anything to help build
a case at this point. So they're looking for traces
of blood throughout the property. They're also collecting all kinds
of electronics because they also.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
A huge issue here.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
They need to prove the extent of this relationship that
he had with this child, you know, So they're looking
at communications, so when the met, what age was she
when they connected, So anything that could help them build
a physical and digital forensic pathway.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
You know, very curious to Moses Castillo joining us former
LAPD detective supervising detective. How do you go about placing
the time she started living there? According to neighbors, it
was a long time ago. She went missing at age thirteen.
Some allegations the relationship started much longer than before she
(27:30):
was thirteen, much longer before now.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
One of the things they'll do is they're going to
analyze all the digital evidence, cell phone records of south
Side locations, any interviews with people close to the family,
close to her friends, interviewing students from her classroom. All
those are going to be very important to conduct in
a very thorough manner.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Troy Slayton joining US, a veteran defense attorney out of
this jurisdiction, La Troy, I guess you're going to tell
me that it means nothing that he fled the home
they shared, So I guess he never thought she was
going to walk back in the front door.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Well, you said that he broke his lease.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
I think that the reporting is that his manager actually
is the one who signed the lease, is the one
who is legally responsible for the twenty thousand dollars a
month lease payment. It was not the artist known as David,
And I would think that after the police conduct a
raid at a home and remove all types of evidence.
(28:33):
I wouldn't want to be there either, So I think
that seems perfectly reasonable.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
So you don't think there's any chance that celest was
actually killed there by the way this video from our
friends at Fox eleven.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Oh, she certainly could have been. And I think that
there's a lot of video. We live in the digital
age where everyone has a ring camera, everyone in that
neighborhood has advanced security systems and CCTV. The police are
going to be coming through everything. If a body was
dragged out of that house, we're going to eventually have
(29:08):
video event, either video from the house security footage itself,
or by a neighbor, or by the tesla which also
has about six cameras all around.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
It that are recording at various times.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
In the night. The musician known as David it looks
like d four VD flees his home, his mansion in
upscale Hollywood heels after it was searched and processed for
fingerprints and blood. His little girlfriend who took up with
(29:43):
him that we know of around thirteen years old, has
been found dead in his Tesla trunk tonight. No arrest
This brings to mind another little girl whose caseign investigator
Her name was Miranda Corsette. Now here is home video.
It's surveillance video of Miranda. There, she's to the right,
(30:07):
She's walking around in the alleged killer's front yard, and
then we see her walking back into the home. This
little teen girl was tortured, brutalized and murdered. She was
seen by neighbors in the home completely naked, crying in
(30:28):
the corner. Now, Miranda Corsette is seen walking into the home,
but not much after that, she is seen being carried
out of the home and placed in the killer's car trunk.
Keep watching. It's like he doesn't even care if the
(30:51):
neighbors are watching, much less their security cams going the
whole time. Yeah, he puts little more in the trunk,
slams it shut, and then wipes his hand like okay,
task accomplished. My only question is is video going to
(31:15):
emerge in the current case of a little teen girl
found dead in a trunk. I'm referring, of course, to
Celeste Rivas joining me in Alstar Pound to make sense
of what we are learning, and I'd like to see
now the photos taken by TMZ our friend Harvey Levin
that show the outside of the home. As you see
(31:40):
the red errors arrows are pointing at what we believe
to see home video. Take a listen to this.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
Police are scouring the area around the home where the
tesla with the dismembered and decomposing body in the trunk
was parked before being told, and they are looking for video.
The rental home has security camera's position at all entry
points in the backyard and on the street, so people
can't go in or out of the house without being recorded.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Straight out to Moses Caristillo joining us former supervising Detective Lapd,
I want to hear your take on that. What you
would make of it if any of that video had
been deleted, if that's true, and how that video, especially
if it's up in the cloud, how is that video
(32:27):
recaptured and used?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yes, Ntsie, what they're going to do is a very
thorough search of this location from top to bottom. Head
information I have is that the prosecution teams are already
on board with the elite team of detectives at Robert
Homeside Division, So that tells me that they're being very down.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Slow down, slow down. The train because my follow up
question to you is going to be why is this
being investigated by robbery at LAPD. This is not about
a robbery, this is about a homicide. But you're telling
me an assistant district attorney has already been assigned to
(33:07):
the case.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yes, So, Robbery Homside Division is the elite team of
detectives that investigate not only robberies, but homicides as well,
especially those complex murder investigations. And I have information that
a signed prosecutor is already on board with this team
of detectives. And that's awesome because it get to see
things real time now playing catch up at a later time.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I want to talk to you about the fact that
you're saying LAPD robbery homicide. Much has been made online
that LAPD Robbery is investigating the case, but you're saying
it's one of the same robbery homicide.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yes, it's actually a named Robbery Homside Division is the
name of the division. It's a specialized unit that the
best of the best of detectives are assigned to this
unit and the investiation get to know.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Because Castillo, I want to just put out that fire
right now for our online sluice don't stop sleuthing, keep sleuthing,
but let me take you off that particular avenue of inquiry. So, Moses,
you're saying that all of this cam video is being amassed,
and if this girl was carried out or walked out
(34:18):
of that mansion at any time leading up to the
discovery of her in the musician known as Davids Tesla trunk,
We're going to get it. And that includes next door neighbors, neighbors,
across the street, you name it. And think about this, Castillo,
what about cam video of who is moving that car
from place to place to place in Hollywood Hills and
(34:39):
who put it there to start with, because whoever did
that is somebody I want to talk to.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Castillo absolutely, And you know what, the Teslas recorded video
all the time, so I'm sure they're going to look
at that as well. And yes, every bit of digital
evidence will be examined. I'm thoroughly investigated by these detectives
who are dedicated to uncover the truth ultimately getting justice.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
For Celesti crime stories with Nancy Grace another issue on
Missus Cristillo. Our online sleuths had been working twenty four
to seven on this and they were concerned this had
(35:23):
not been set in homicide because there was not a
CD or any evidence that Celeste had been murdered. Let
me throw that to doctor Kendall Crown. So what would
be the alternative that she crawls into the trunk and
has a heart attack? Of course she was murdered.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
H yes, I mean, nobody's going to go into a
trunk and then shut themselves in willingly that it's obviously
a homicide. We just have to figure out what. And
I think there is some mention that I've seen that
she was possibly dismembered, which is obviously not something that
would occur naturally.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
And another thing, Doctor Kendle Crown, speaking of partial dismemberment
of this little girl. I got to follow up with
a shrink on that. But doctor Kendall crowns, you can
tell so much from the tool markings on the body
when someone has been dismembered. And since a body is
dismembered with of course some sort of cutting utensil like
a knife, does that lead you to believe her cood
(36:18):
may have been stabbing or statistically it would be some
sort of a strangulation or asphyxiation. Explain that's correct.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
More likely than not, it's a strangulation that followed up
by them cutting her up.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Is there any way that normal decomp which of course
is not normal to decompose in a car trunk, So
right off the bat, that question as a non sequatory
does not follow. But can normal decomposition in any way
resemble partial dismemberment?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Well, if you get like animals scavenging involved, yes, the
limbs can be pulled away from the body by animals,
but usually in normal decomposition, which individuals and.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
We always have nothing to do with this. Can we
stick to the facts, please, doctor Crowns.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Certainly so. She's laying in a trunk where animals can't
get to her. Your limbs are not going to look
like they've been dismembered. If you get to the point
of skeletonization, yes your bones will fall apart, but you
won't look like you've been dismembered.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
There is a clear difference when a body decomposes naturally
as opposed to when the body has been dismembered. You
see tool marks, or you see bones out of place,
there's nothing close to they don't fit together. One will
(37:40):
not be mistaken for the other. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Yes, that is fair to say.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Now comes the story of two Celeste.
Speaker 10 (37:47):
A video called two Celeste is gaining attention after being
shared on Eggs by Josh our Post with a caption
that reads, quote David, why are there two Celeste?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
The clip features the user.
Speaker 10 (38:00):
Claiming Celeste has two faces, one being a Celeste Revas
Hernandez and another Celeste Herrera, who interacts with Burke on
social media. The claim is that Burke was obsessed with
Celeste and something terrible happened and he can't be with her,
so he's trying to replace her with a look alike.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
To Melissa McCarty, investciad reporter has Stop Killer Jeans podcast
and author of the Making of a Crime Reporter. Again, Melissa,
thanks for being with us tonight. What can you tell
me about the existence of two Celestes?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
This is fascinating and again one of those Internet sleuthing
phenomenons that have researched that the LAPD I'm sure is
trying to track down.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
You have an older.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Adult version Celeste, and then you have the minor Celeste Fernandez.
But the most important information is we have one that
was found dead in the trunk of his vehicle and another.
You really have to investigate the extent of the relationship.
Did he actually know both of them, was he intimate
with either of them? How did he know these two?
And who is this other person? What does she have
(39:02):
to do with the other.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Well, from what we've been told, Celeste Herrera, the twenty
three year old, interacts extensively with David on social media.
I'm referring to David Anthony Burke. The claim is that
and this would have to go to doctor Angela Arnold,
(39:24):
renowned psychiatrists joining us. The claim is that Burke was
obsessed with ten girls, Celeste and that as soon as
she was gone, he's trying to replace her with a lookalike.
Now is that hard evidence? No, it's not. I'm sure
Slayton's doing a backflip right now. But what does what
(39:46):
do you make of that that a Celeste look alike
is his online protege.
Speaker 8 (39:52):
As you can see with these two young girls, there's
a pattern in how they in how they appear. Feeling
that the younger girl, the younger Celeste, was much easier
for him to control. Jiefs now found someone that appears
to look much like her, and we.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
Don't know what his motives are.
Speaker 8 (40:14):
His motives are, His motives could be directly what we're
doing here. When did these two you.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Know another issue? Doctra Angie. Yeah, we don't even know
the extent of their relationship. For all I know, it's
just an online relationship where she interacts online. But we're
finding out. I want to look at the leaked lyrics
of Burke's song Celeste, Oh Celeste, the girl with my
(40:45):
name tattooed on her chest, smell her on my clothes
like cigarettes. I hear her voice each time I take
in breath. I'm obsessed, Oh Celeste. Now remember thirteen at
the time they started their relationship. Oh Celeste, afraid you'll
only love me when undressed, But you look so damn
(41:07):
gorgeous in that dress. Missing you so much makes me depressed,
But I digress because I love you so much. Okay,
Chroice Layton, Yeah, he's not obsessed, is he? Again?
Speaker 6 (41:21):
This is art, Nancy. You can't convict somebody based on art,
and we keep mentioning that she was thirteen. Now, I
know that this is not a legal defense, and it
wouldn't provide a legal defense in court, But how do
we know what age she said that she was. Uh,
(41:43):
there's been some reporting that she had some fake IDs.
I don't know of anyone that's ever dated somebody.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
It was her fair ID. I'm not saying that's all
those fake IDs. So she was murdering and putting that trunk.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
Not saying that at all.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Well, if it's not a little defense, why are you
just saying it because we're talking about to blame her
with the claim that you think she might have had
a fake IDA?
Speaker 7 (42:07):
Absolutely not, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
But what I am saying is he didn't necessarily know
that she was underage this whole time she was a runaway.
He didn't necessarily know she was living with their family,
or that she was missing. We don't know that he
knew any of this. You were bringing up modus apparandi,
what you do knowledge? That doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Every statutory rapist I've ever met said I thought she
was a How is this any different?
Speaker 6 (42:39):
We've all heard that, Nancy, of course. But what I'm
saying is this just goes to his potential state of mind.
And that's why it's important.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Okay, okay, important to you, not to me. She's dead
and I want to know who did it, and I
want to remind everyone that the music known as David,
his real name is David Anthony Burke's innocent. He stands
innocent tonight. He will not be guilty unless he has
(43:13):
been charged and proven guilty in a court of law
by a jury of his peers. If you know or
think you know anything about the disappearance and death of
this little girl, Celeste, please dial two one three four
eight six six' eight nine. Zero you can remain anonymous
(43:36):
two one three four eight six six' eight. Nine zero
and now we Remember an American Hero, Firefighter Paramedic Stephen,
scott HOUSTON. P d killed in the line, of duty
served l e, Thirty years survived by grieving wife and.
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Three Children american Hero Firefe Fighter Paramedic Stephen Scott nancy
grace signing off goodbye FRIEND.
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