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October 18, 2025 24 mins

Former Subway pitchman Jared Fogle claims he was tricked by federal prosecutors into pleading guilty to child pornography charges.

Those charges led to a jury conviction, and now Fogle remains housed at the Federal Correctional Institution Englewood in Colorado. He was sentenced to 15 years and 8 months. His earliest possible release date is set for March 24, 2029.

Fogle rose to fame after claiming he lost more than 200 lbs. with a diet of Subway sandwiches. He appeared in ads for the franchise for over a decade.  In 2015, Fogle was fired after he admitted to having sex with at least two minors and to obtaining child pornography of at least 12 others.

Now, we learn that one of Fogle's prison jobs is making sandwiches in the prison café. 

Joining Nancy Grace today: 

  • Dr. Tiffany Sanders - Psychologist
  • Sheryl McCollum - Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder, and Host of podcast: Zone 7; X: @149zone7
  • Jennifer Dzikowski - Investigative Reporter 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
He had it all, a beautiful wife, children, a gorgeous home.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
A TV star.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
But what did he do try to arrange well, correction,
arrange sex with miners and transporting them across state lines
to do it.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Jared Fogel has been charged and has admitted to participating
in a five year criminal scheme to exploit children.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Wow, Subway sandwich pitchman aka TV star Jared Fogel, wait
till you hear this.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Fogel admitted that he repeatedly traveled from Indiana to New
York to engage in commercial sex acts with victims he
knew to be children.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I want to thank you for being with So where
is the subway guy, pitchman, multimillionaire Jared Fogel? Now, remember
he was always on TV talking about how we lost
two hundred pounds by only eating subway sandwiches. Remember that,
and you would see him behind the counter making sandwiches

(01:22):
out of fresh veggies and lean meats. Oh gosh, it's
making any hungry. Just think about it, the subway sandwich
and the fresh reggies, not about him.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
That is not making me hungry.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
His wholesome image crashed when he was accused of sex,
abusing and exploiting children. He made so much money appearing
in ads for the subway franchise for over a decade. Ouch,
but then he had to admit to having sex with

(01:56):
at least two minors.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
You know what, let me rephrase. That's cause statutory rape.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
And getting child porn of at least twelve others. Yeah,
I guess where he is now. Are you sitting down? Okay?
He has a massive behind bar sentence and he is
now serving time at the Inglewood Fed Correctional Institution, Littleton, Colorado.

(02:28):
He's been attacked more than once behind bars, but right
now he is a prison chef. Yes, he is a
prison chef. He is working in the kitchen. How appropriate.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
But that's not what he always did. Let's jog he recollection.
Listen to Fogel himself.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
He must go crazy with her travels. So you get
to go and tell the different schools, you know, all
the different things like that. Give me can I want
I want you to. I mean, I'm sure you have
a lot of stories. I want you to tell me
some of them say that I don't know, it's just

(03:19):
I like to.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Yeah, especially come in the middle school. I love the
middle school and I get over thirty there, you know, yeah,
cause you know how much I love you know.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
You well, what's that well, you know, kids are what
you're going faster nowadays.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
I know what I love And that's why I think
it's wonderful to you is that you're able to get
in early you know what I mean, you could totally
you know, you could totally win them off, which is.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
What I love. You like that. I do love that.
Tell me how well you tell me how to do that,
you know, just.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Talk to 'em, just get to know 'em, just to everything.
I mean, just you know, do a little touchy feelings
things with them, you know, and make it so good
and it's a little more touchy feeling, a little more
touchy feeling, a little more touchy feeling and that kind
of stuff. Yeah, mm hmm, okay, I.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Think that would be amazing. What what age seems to
be the easiest?

Speaker 5 (04:27):
You know, I don't know how you like, you know,
early middle school of probably one of the best. Yeah,
you know, they don't have their coming going and I
could see a young sixth seventh grader, you know, in this.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
And they're all there, they do right with that? What's
that you need to find out? How if they'd be
all right with that?

Speaker 5 (04:52):
I think definitely all right with that. They're very much
into exploring and you know.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
This matter of them on your side, you know, and
that's why that's what I'm just curious. I don't know
how to how to do that.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Just be friendly to them, Yeah, just be friendly to them,
Just do what you normally would do, maybe because this
was a hears so friendly anyway, mm hmm. You know,
and now we need to sort of go from there. Okay,
you handing it, tell case by case. You know, there's
no there's no right way, wrong way, whatever, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I actually feel nauseous hearing that, Cheryl mccollumm, Cold Case
Research Institute Director. I have tried a lot of child
molesstation cases, but typically the defendant did not take the
stand because they knew I would chew them a new

(05:48):
tail hole on cross examination. So it's very rare you
actually get to hear the PERV speaking. That was U
tapes played on my friend Doctor Phild's show. They were
tapes obtained by Rochelle Herman warrand a woman who befriended

(06:08):
Jared Fogel and then took these secret tapes. So, Cheryl,
we are hearing him in his unfiltered state talking about
how he likes little middle school girls.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
That's like fourth grade girls, Chancy.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
The fear is when this person is released, their sexual attraction.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Is the same.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
And that is what people in power do not understand.
If you are attracted to sixth grade girls, that does
not go away. If you are attracted to five year
old boys, that does not go away anymore than whatever
your sexual attraction is. If you think Halle Barry is sexy,

(06:53):
she's going to be sexy, whether you go to counseling
or not. To you, this is a large were people think, oh,
sin in the counseling, sin into prison, then they'll learn
their lesson. No, if I see a commercial with Matthew McConaughey,
that man is fine a tail Nancy, there ain't no
amount of counseling, then change my mind about that. Believe it. So,

(07:17):
if you've got somebody that is telling you straight up,
I like middle school girls, keep his ass in prison.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Eloquently spoken, Cheryl eloquently spoke with me. Is investigative reporter
Jennifer Sakowski. Jennifer, what is this business.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
About Jared Fogel getting out of prison? He just got
put in prison for Pete's sake, Yes he did.

Speaker 7 (07:43):
And you know part of me thinks is he just
loved being in the spotlight.

Speaker 8 (07:49):
I'm you know, according to Ruders, he is trying to
be released from.

Speaker 7 (07:54):
The federal person. He's staying out in Colorado. He's claiming
his guilty plea in the.

Speaker 8 (08:00):
Child pornography case was based on an illegal conspiracy charge
and should be thrown out. So he's actually claiming that
he wouldn't have pleaded guilty except for the improper charge
and said being imprisoned is violating his due process under
the United States Constitution. And you know, the reason he's

(08:22):
saying it was unlawful is because it included a charge
of conspiracy, which he's saying is not covered by the
text of a federal law concerning sexual misconduct involving minors.
And there's really two parts to this. Because TMZ is
reporting that he's suing the judge and the prosecutors in

(08:43):
the child pornography case for fifty seven million dollars, and
they're saying, rather than trying to get out of prison.
His focus is on a financial legal gain over the
justice system department employees who put him away.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
WHOA So let me understand this.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Did I hear this correctly to Cheryl McCollum. Did Jennifer
Sagowski from heavy dot com just say that Jared Fogel
is actually suing the prosecutors? Is that right?

Speaker 6 (09:13):
For fifty seven millions? Not sixty, not fifty five, fifty
seven millions. That's an odd number, just like his odd
sexual behavior.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Hang on, it's not just the prosecutors.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Jared Fogel is also naming US Attorney General Jeff's Sessions
in his complaints, saying Sessions failed to correct a clear
error and for good measure, focals blaming President Trump too.
You know it never fails.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Just to amaze me, this guy praying on young children
and he's busted having them brought to his hotel room
at the Plaza in New York City and the lord
only knows where else so he could have sex with children.
Now he's suing. You heard me, right, Doctor Chloe Carmichael,

(10:05):
New York psychologists, founder of anxietytools dot com. Doctor Chloe,
I agree with Cheryl McCollum. But my knowledge of this
is anecdotal. I'm not a doctor, I'm not a shrink.
I'm a JD, not an MD. But every person I've
ever seen that child molested or statutory raped that wasn

(10:27):
an adult. I mean, there are a few exceptions where
a seventeen year old boy will be with a fifteen
year old girl and it's construed as child rape. I'm
talking about adult adults with children. I've never seen an
instance where that was quote cured. That's a crime, that's pedophilia.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
That is a crime. I agree with Sheheryl, you can't
go to jail and get quote cured.

Speaker 9 (10:53):
Well, Nancy, I can certainly see why you would feel
that way. And I'm not only inclined to gree to
agree with you personally, but that is actually what the research.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Does as well.

Speaker 9 (11:03):
So pet of files actually very rarely learn to.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Stop being attracted.

Speaker 9 (11:08):
You know, just as what's being said, if you know
you are attracted in Matthew mccattaey, you know, Noah Consling
is going to change that. But what pedophiles do learn
how to do is how to at least control their urges,
not act upon their urges. But in order for them
to learn that, they have to be willing to learn.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
They have to.

Speaker 9 (11:29):
Many pedophiles hate themselves and hate their urges and are
just at least grateful if they can learn how to
not act on them. Jara doesn't seem to feel that
there's anything wrong with his urges. So in addition to
being a pedophile, it's also quite possible that he may
be a psychopath. So, you know, he doesn't seem to

(11:50):
have any concern at all for how this is affecting,
you know, anybody else, and the idea that he thinks
he should be released from prison and that he can
you know, sue the prosecutors. This type of entitlement that
he has, combined with his pedophilia, I think it does
make him a very poor candidate for somebody that would ever,

(12:12):
you know, really be rehabilitated. He doesn't want to be
rehability rehabilitated. This is like an alcoholics. They have to
want to stop drinking. He doesn't want to stop. He
wants to continue.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Let's call this what it is. This is about using wealth,
status and secrecy to illegally exploit children.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace Jared Fogel goes on to
be a millionaire.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
He was extremely obase in college, weighing close to four
hundred and fifty pounds. Okay, he lost two hundred and
forty five pounds by eating nothing but Subway sandwiches. Says him.
He would eat the foot long veggie and the six
inch turkey every day, no cheese, no mayo, tons of

(13:10):
veggies and a little spicy mustard. According to my research,
he says, quote, Oh, this is just like disgusting. He says,
quote I was reborn in every sense of the word.
Subway helps save my life and start over. I can't

(13:32):
ever repay that. Okay, well, he's making sandwiches behind bars
now because he was totally convicted of sex with minors
ie statutory rape and child porn.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
The approximate amount of data reviewed includes one hundred and
fifty nine thousand, six hundred and thirty four text messages,
twenty seven thousand, one hundred and forty emails, forty seven thousand,
six hundred and twenty three images in three thousand, three

(14:05):
hundred and ninety four videos. Through this thorough investigation, fourteen
victims were.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Identified back to Jennifer Sikowski. He became famous in two thousand,
after he credited Subway for a huge weight loss. Now,
his guilty plea was based partially on an illegal conspiracy
charge that dealt with child pornography, but there were so

(14:32):
many other counts. There was the actual transferring children across
state lines to have sex with them, and hotels. He
pled guilty to having sex with children. I mean, how
can that be thrown out, Jennifer, That has nothing to
do with a conspiracy, doesn't No, one would not.

Speaker 7 (14:53):
Think so, And no, it doesn't make any sense. Like
you said, he admitted to these charge.

Speaker 8 (15:00):
He pleaded guilty, So I'm not exactly sure. I mean,
just like the last person said, he doesn't want to
control his urges. He has this sense of entitlements, and
I'm not exactly sure how he would think that he
could get out of prison at this point.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Well, another thing, Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case
Research Institute, this is not his.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
First try to get out of jail.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
He tried to get out claiming the judge in his
case was biased because she had teen girls. Okay, I'm
getting that from the Indie Star. Well, actually the judge
had one daughter and she's grown all in all. Since
he was sentenced, he has filed dozens and dozens of
motions to either get a sentence reduced or just thrown out.

(15:56):
So this guy is not giving up. He claims that
his plea his guilty plea. Let me remind you, it's
the guilty please, I drey taual. He swore under oath
he was guilty. Okay, so it's not like he was
wrongly convicted. He stood up and swore he was guilty.
He's now claiming his plea was unconstitutional.

Speaker 6 (16:16):
Cheryl Hey to a point, and Nancy not only did
he plead guilty. The only thing he's arguing now is technicality.
He still ain't saying he didn't do it. He hasn't
yet said, y'all got the wrong guy. I wasn't there,
it wasn't me. I wouldn't do it. He said, Yeah,
I did it. Let me out so I can freaking
do it again. That's all this is about. He walks out.

(16:38):
There's a ton of people that can watch perverted movies,
whether it's these reality or free Thongs or whatever, but
they don't act on it. This man has already acted
on it. He has passed that threshold of return. He
is a dangerous predator period.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
He played guilty the Subway Sandwich pitch man to federal
charges of conspiracy to distribute and receive child porn, traveling
across state lines to have sex contact with a minor.
He agreed to pay one hundred thousand dollars to each
of fourteen unnamed children. Those are the ones that we

(17:19):
know of, and he's going to do at least fifteen
years behind bars. He has been trying every which way
to get out of jail, and he's got the money
to hire lawyers to do it. That's the problem, Doctor
Chloe Carmichael, New York psychologists, founder of anxietytools dot com.

(17:41):
Why can't he just serve his time and try to
improve himself or rehab himself behind bars. All he's doing
behind bars is trying to say the system tricked him.
He pled guilty.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
It wasn't a trial. There are no errors at trial.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
He stood up in court under oath and pled guilty
to these charges.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
So what is his mindset? Doctor Chloe Well of Quest Nancy.

Speaker 9 (18:04):
It's difficult to say what his mindset is, but I
can you know, certainly speculate that he may have seen
in our society.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
That unfortunately, you know, many times.

Speaker 9 (18:15):
Of perpetrators will play the victim card, and he has
probably seen that card plead successfully many times. As you
pointed out, it seems clear that his goal is simply
to get out of prison and to get right back
to what he was doing before. So I imagine he's
willing to avail himself of any strategy that he thinks

(18:36):
might work, including becoming vindictive towards you know what.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
As I always used to say, be careful what you
ask my dear for, you will surely get it now,
Oscar Wilde said at first, but it applies here. Subway
reaches out to Jared Fogel. He becomes a spokesperson for
the chain, and he's starren in over three hundred marshals.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
He was worth over.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Fifteen million dollars. He was a red carpet quote regular.
He showed up with his family at movie premieres. He
was posed with photos with stars. He even started his
own charity, the Jared Foundation, to promote healthy eating habits

(19:24):
and exercise for children. Oh wait, what, you'd give them
a healthy meal before you molested them? Okay, yeah, I'm
so not impressed.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
He is working at a kitchen in the jail house kitchen.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
His sentence was fifteen years, eight months. He agreed to
pay one point four million dollars restitution to fourteen confirmed victims.
That means that we know of the probably more. They
ranged in ages ten to seventeen, ten years old. The

(20:03):
level of perversion exhibited by Fogel is extreme. What was
stated in court at the time. The level of perversion
and lawlessness exhibited by Fogel is extreme. Now a psychiatrist
for the defense, I don't know that this helped anything.

(20:26):
Claimed Fogel had a quote food addiction that transformed into
quote hyper sexuality.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Jared Fogel goes on to be a millionaire.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
He was extremely obese in college, weighing close to four
hundred and fifty pounds. Okay, he lost two hundred and
forty five pounds by eating nothing but subway sandwich.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Just says him.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
He would eat the foot long veggie and the six
inch turkey every day, no cheese, no mayo, tons of
veggie and a little spicy mustard. According to my research,
he says, quote I was reborn in every sense of
the word. Subway helps save my life and start over.

(21:13):
I can't ever repay that. Okay, well, he's making sandwiches
behind bars now. Because he was totally convicted of sex
with minors ie statutory rape and child porn, and he
started in over three hundred commercials. He was worth over

(21:34):
fifteen million dollars. He was a red carpet quote regular.
He showed up with his family at movie premieres. He
was posed with photos with stars. He even started his
own charity, the Jared Foundation, to promote healthy eating habits

(21:55):
and exercise for children. Oh wait, what you give them
a healthy meal before you rest to them. Okay, yeah,
I'm so not impressed. He is working at a kitchen
in the jail house kitchen. His sentence was fifteen years,
eight months. He agreed to pay one point four million

(22:18):
dollars restitution to fourteen confirmed victims. That means that we
know of they're probably more. They ranged in ages ten
to seventeen ten years old. The level of perversion exhibited
by Fogel is extreme. That is what was stated in

(22:42):
court at the time. The level of perversion and lawlessness
exhibited by Fogel is extreme. Now, a psychiatrist for the defense,
I don't know that this helped anything, claimed Fogel had
a quote food addiction that transformed into quote hyper sexuality. Okay,

(23:07):
you know what, that's a total crocker crap, complete and
total crap. The same psychiatrist added that Fogel had quote
weak evidence of pedophilia.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Seriously, ask a little ten year old girl, ask.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Her see if she agrees. Now he has attempted to
appeal his conviction.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
That's not over.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Trust me on that.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
This is what really is irritating.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
He runs four or five miles every day behind bars,
He exercises, He reads The New York Times every day,
He reads historical fiction novels. He watches NFL college football,
NFL and college football. I mean, oh, I know he's

(24:00):
got kitchen duty and he is serving sandwiches to fellow inmates. Enjoy,
because when I think of Jared Fogel, I don't think
of a yummy subway sandwich. I think of him molesting
little girls, victimizing girls as young as ten years old
through actual statutory rape and.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Or pornography.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Good luck with that, appealed Fogel, and you're eating addiction defense.
Good night, friend,
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