August 30, 2025 • 41 mins
Andrew Tate and brother, Tristan file lawsuits in California suing Meta and TikTok for kicking the pair off their platforms in 2022. The lawsuits allege defamation and unlawful deplatforming. They clailm the banning of their accounts was a politically motivated, campaign to suppress, and destroy" their reputations and livelihoods, not a neutral enforcement of platform rules. They also claim Meta and TikTok defamed them by making "reckless, and inflammatory statements portraying Tate as a sex trafficker—without evidence, without trial, and without due process". The brothers are seeking over $50 million in compensatory damages from each company.
This in the midst of new assault claims against the Tate brothers. Lauren Southern, a right-wing Canadian political influencer, writes in her Substack that she met Andrew Tate on a trip to Bucharest.
At 22, Southern approached Tate with a business proposition. She says on that 2018 trip, Tate choked and assaulted her while she was intoxicated. The self-published memoir is titled “This Is Not Real Life.”
Kickboxer and media influencer Andrew Tate is charged with rape, human trafficking, and more. He's now facing three sex abuse legal battles in two countries.
Tate and his brother were taken into custody in Romania, where they live. Prosecutors say the Tates and two associates formed an organized criminal group to groom and sexually traffic women in the United States, the United Kingdom, and Romania.
The indictment names seven women who say the Tate brothers recruited them with false promises, including love and marriage, but instead took them to buildings where they intimidated them, watched over them constantly, forcing them into debt and pornography.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Greg Ahlgren – International Attorney-at-Law at the US-MX Law Group, Ltd. & DRT Alliance/Diaz Reus International Law Firm
- Dr. Joni Johnston – Forensic Psychologist and Private Investigator (performs risk and threat assessments on violent offenders); Author: “Serial Killers: 101 Questions True Crime Fans Ask”
- Sheryl McCollum – Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder & Host of New Podcast: “Zone 7;" X: @149Zone7
- Lee Reiber – Mobile Device Forensic Expert, COO: Oxygen Forensics, Inc., Author: “Mobile Forensic Investigations: A Guide to Evidence Collection, Analysis, and Presentation”
- Dawn Schiller (Los Angeles, CA)- Training Director for the L.A. County Project at Coalition to Abolish Slavery & Trafficking (CAST), Lived Experience Expert Consultant, and Best-selling Author: “The Road Through Wonderland: Surviving John Holmes;" Also a National Speaker, Educator and Mentor; Twitter: @DawnSchiller, Instagram: DawnSchiller55, Facebook: Author Dawn Schiller
- Caitlyn Becker (Los Angeles, CA) - Senior Reporter for Dailymail.com; Twitter: @caitlynbecker
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Oh my stars, does it
never end with the two Tate brothers, the notorious women haters.
In the last days, Andrew Tate hits TikTok and Zuckerbird's
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Meta for one hundred million dollars, claiming damage when he
was kicked off the platforms back in twenty twenty two.
Quote it's good versus evil, says the accused rapist. I'm
Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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you for being with us. Let me refresh everyone's recollection,
as we say in court as to who the Tate
brothers are. They became social media famous, TikTok, instant, you
name it for all their hate talk about women, right
and they are wanted on claims of sex trafficking and rape,
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facing those rape and sex trafficking charges in Romania and
the UK, with a criminal investigation going on here in
the US as these called king of toxic masculinity and
you Tate has just come to an epiphany deciding now's
(01:29):
the time to go after Meta and TikTok for kicking
the misogynist off the platforms a while back. Right now,
hold up in Dubai with his equally infamous brother Tristan.
He wants the social media giants to hand over fifty
million dollars each for damaging his reputation. Wait what, He's
(01:56):
already got a horrible reputation. Remember those rape and sex
trafficking charges. I mean, how how can your reputation get worse?
According to the claims, Meta and TikTok caused quote emotional distress,
business interference and misappropriation. Oh my stars, I'm getting emotional
(02:19):
distress remembering when all these two have been accused of
The online influencer Andrew Tate with literally millions of followers
Go Figure was detained and handed an arrest warrant issued
by the British government. Tate thirty seven and creepy brother
Tristan Tate detained. They were detained on claims of sex aggression,
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that's what they call it in the UK, in a
case dating all the way back to two thousand and fifteen.
Now a Romanian court where the two were hiding out
has to make a quote pivotal decision whether they're going
to execute the warrants issued by the UK Westminster Magistrates Court.
(03:07):
They darn well better if they want to keep relations
up with the UK. Four women reported Tate. Four women,
not one, not two, not three, but four report Tate
to authorities for sex violence and physical abuse. For some reason,
the crown decided not to prosecute him. These victims had
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to turn to crowd funding to cover their legal costs.
The four female victims handed over their evidence about the
horrific acts of violence. They say they endured and just waited,
but time passes and they were told the UK authorities
would not prosecute them. Now, don't forget. Tate is charged
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in a separate case with rape, human trafficking and forming
a criminal gang to sexually expel Floyd women. Why does
this guy have millions of men followers? Freaks? How did
the whole thing begin? Possibly the most misogynistic person I
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have ever encountered discussing tactics on how to lure sex
trafficking victims. These texts, messages and more have now been
leaked and it's all spewing from the empire built by
(04:37):
Andrew Tate, a sex trafficker according to Ellie Law Enforcement.
First of all, take a listen to this.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Most people know Andrew Tate for his online content, which
had been called misogynistic but what most people don't know
is that he also runs a secret of all male society,
The Warm, which he says is a kind of of
self help society that helps you become better men. It
costs six pounds a year to join. What we uncovered
is that actually within the Warm, they're actually teaching men
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methods for grooming women into online sex work. And we've
identified from the leaked messages you referred to at least
forty five potential victims of this crewing method.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Breaking news, disgraced influencer Andrew Tait has been indicted and
will face charges of rape, human trafficking, and forming a
criminal gang to sexually exploit women. According to officials, three
others will also be charged in connection to human trafficking, including.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Andrew's brother, Tristan.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
A spokesperson for the Tate brothers confirm their indictment to
NBC News. Both brothers deny all allegations.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
The two were.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Remanded into custody back in December before being released under
house arrest in March.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I can't stop someone from being misogynistic, that's within them.
But I tell you this much, we can stop six trafficking. Now,
what's so amazing is He's not trafficking women in secret.
They're not in the back of massage parlors and nail
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salons with their papers stolen from them unless they have
sex with strangers and then they're making the money. This
is not some thirteen or fourteen year old girl that
has been stolen and she's being hidden in some secret
apartment somewhere in La far far away from home, being
beaten in drug This is right in our face. This
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is happening right online. I really don't even know where
to start taking listener friends.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
At BBC Prosecutors have filed formal charges against the controversial
influencer Andrew Tate, his brother Tristan, and two associates. The
charges include rape, human trafficking and forming an organized crime group,
as well as illegally accessing a computer system and violence
against one of the alleged victims.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
The indictment court.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Says that at the beginning of twenty twenty one, the
for defendants formed and organized a criminal group to commit
to human trafficking in the United States under Britain.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
We know there are seven alleged victims who are apparently
allegedly recruited by false promises of love and marriage by
the two Tape brothers.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Love and marriage, my rear end, that is not what
this is. This is not about love and marriage. You
were hearing from our friends at BBC as well as NBC.
This is not about love and marriage at all. Guys.
Before I go to senior investigative reporter for dailymail dot Com,
(07:35):
Caitlin Becker, joining us, I want you to hear our
cut fifteen from The Dangerous Rise of Andrew ta BBC. Listen.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
In the eleaked messages that we got access to, were
able to see that up to forty five women were
recruited into working on webcam potentially groomed using this method
without their knowledge. We saw specific examples of men grooming
specific women, and in the documentary we spoke to two
of those women, one in Buenos Ayre's Argentina and one
on the West coast of the US, who both alleged
(08:06):
that they personally were groomed by senior members of Andrew
Tate's warrem.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
That's not all. Take a lissnar are cut in Lucia
Williamson BBC.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
The prosecution also says that women were forced by the
defendants to make pornographic content online and alleged that some
women did not control the money they made and were
fined for crying on camera or for.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Not working hard enough.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
As spokeswoman for the Tate Brothers said that they vehemently
denied the serious allegations against them.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Joining me in astar panel to make sense of what
we know right now. Straight out to senior investigative reporter
for the Dailymail dot Com, Caitlin Becker. Caitlin, thank you
for being with us forty five known alleged victims. There
are actually victims in multiple countries. That's not unusual. Do
you remember the initial sorts from Nalie Holloway or US
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Not only US, but many other journalists and law enforcement
were looking at the islands nearest to Aruba, including the
Netherland Antilles, thinking she had been removed from the island
for sex trafficking. That is a part of sex trafficking.
You remove the victim from their home, from their money,
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from their cell phone, from their driver's license, their ID,
and they're stuck with you and nowhere to go, and
they're being beaten and drugged and they're taken away from
their home. The fact that this conspiracy to sex traffic
is in many countries. It's hard for some people to believe,
(09:43):
but this is the way sex trafficking works. Who is
Andrew Tate, Caitlin Well, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
It's the way sex trafficking work.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
But it's also the way the Internet works. And Andrew
Tate's claim to fame is on the Internet. I mean
he had a short lived stint on British Big Brother,
but really he became known in online circles for being
kind of the king of misogyny and teaching men how
to be men, which involved subjugating and harassing women. He
(10:18):
had very popular online courses. He had one that called
something Hustlers, and that was more of his public one,
and then this war Room that you've been hearing about
was his private one. But he also had very popular
social media account where he propagated this type of bullying
and misogyny and as you heard, essentially allegedly grooming, and
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he garnered thousands and thousands and thousands of followers. And
for war Room particularly, you had to pay the equivalent
of what is about eight thousand dollars to join. He's
then profiting off of this and prowling like minded men
to listen to the types of sort of vile information
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that he's viewing. So the conspiracy goes far and wide.
You not only have Andrew and Twisting Kate, the brothers
who were at the head of this that's sort of
ahead of the stink, but you also have all of
those war room members. You can imagine how far this
can go. I mean, we have alleged victims. There are
seven in the indictment, and they are from all over
(11:24):
the world, several in Europe, at least one in the
United States. All of their identities are being protected. We
are also hearing potentially forty five others from these leaked
telegram messages that the BBC obtained. But Nancy, those messages
are only for one year, so you have to imagine
in one year, if there's forty five potential victims, I
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can't even fathom how many of that could be.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace Days, renowned misogynist woman hater,
Andrew Tate slams TikTok and Meta Zuckerberg's Meta for one
hundred million dollars for emotional distress and damaging the Tate's reputation.
(12:19):
What reputation, According to prosecutors, rape and sex trafficking charges
have been lodged and not one but two countries and
an investigation going on in the US. Tate has nearly
nine million followers on the social media platform x also
(12:40):
known as Twitter. He repeatedly claims prosecutors have no evidence
against him and that there is a conspiracy to quote
silence him. Okay, when you start talking about conspiracies, you'll
lose me. Remember everybody said the LAPD had a conspiracy
against OJ simpsom to frame him for double murder. BF
(13:00):
Like you think one of those cops would take a
million dollars for a tell all book about the so
called conspiracy to frame OJ Simpson. Yeah, it's my understanding
and my experience. It's too difficult for people to keep
the pyhole shut in a conspiracy. Even social media is
shunning him. He's been banned from multiple social media platforms
(13:24):
for misogynistic woman hating views and hate speech. What more
do we know about Andrew Tate and his freaky brother
I know this. They're rolling in money. Romanian authorities sees
fifteen luxury cars, fourteen designer watches, and cash in several currencies.
(13:44):
That's weird, worth around four million dollars. These two women
haters and alleged sex traffickers are making a mint online. Look,
this isn't just a single instance. Over three hundred million
(14:04):
dollars US dollars was seized. That is the tip of
the iceberg with how many people this guy is controlling
and how many women are being subjected to sex trafficking,
forced pornography, being raped, being beaten. In his chats screenshots
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purported messages from the quote war Room, Tate describes women
as quote targets and assets, and explains how to isolate
and manipulate women. In one message, this woman hater describes
how he isolated one woman until she quote lost her
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support networks at home, and he kept her in his
compound quote and this takes tastes like dirt sandwich to me.
The real goal is for her to agree to never
go anywhere without me, not even her hometown. I need
her working. This is from his screenshots. He appears to
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seek help from his associates to force one woman to
post sexually explicit content on only fans. He tells his
followers he'll be making the play tonight. Since she moved
to his compound, she's been fed, but nothing else. These
are his words she's broke. She can't go home, she
(15:36):
can't leave the house. Man, I sound almost evil, guys,
this is such a huge operation. Take a listen to
our cut too, Lucy Williamson.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
The charge of human trafficking is an umbrella charge, and
within that there are several counts against each of the
four defendants. We're also getting some information from the organized
crime Unit about the assets that have been seized properties, cars,
luxury watches, but also more than three hundred million US
dollars in cryptocurrency. And we're told that there are separate
(16:09):
charges that are still under investigation that may be the
subjects of a separate indictment in the future.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Think about it. How many times have I told a
jury don't turn away. Think about what's happening around you.
Think about these facts young women being forced into sex.
Rate Think about it. Do you have a daughter, a mother,
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a sister. Think about her being forced into sex, isolated
from her family. To the tin of this guy making
at least three hundred million dollars. Nancy, May I hear
someone jumping at Who is it? Nancy?
Speaker 7 (16:53):
This is Don Shiller.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Hi, guys, this is Don Schiller and joining us training
director for the La County Project with to Abolish Slavery
and Trafficking. She's the best selling author of The Road
through Wonderland, Surviving John Holmes down, please jump in.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
Go ahead, thank you, thank you. I also call myself
a lived experience expert in and that's what we do
when we go out and teach and train around human trafficking.
So when I hear the word grooming a lot, what
really applies to is the recruitment. Grooming is recruitment under
the umbrella of what is human trafficking, And I'm luring somebody
in on their vulnerabilities based off of meeds for love
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and attention whatever that is, because they didn't have it
at home. It is really a classic form of recruitment
into where the victim is then now kept in by force.
Fraud and coercion and coersion is all types of things.
The fraud is this promise of love that never turns
into Love's always like having to force you into doing something.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Guys, I'm looking online at Andrew. It's leaked text. Wait
a minute, this is about maximum difficulty you experience in
the business. If we all agree on that, I'll give
you a play by play of what I try. I
do this for every girl I get to work. If
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you guys see the value, you guys can use your
bottom bit to do whatever g is doing. You are
never going back to your hometown, even to visit without me.
You understand that is part of his technique. These are
his words, not mine. It goes on and on and on.
(18:39):
One definitive excuse of raping one woman twice using intimidation,
constant surveillance and claims in the victims that we're in debt.
Take a listen to our cut eight from BBC.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Prosecutors outline the testimony and the evidence that against Andrew Taate.
It includes transcriptions of text and audio messages which appear
to show how the alleged trafficking operation was managed and
the apparent coersion, control and abuse of women by mister
Tait and his co defendants. In one transcribed exchange, Andrew
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Tate appears to coerce an alleged victim into group sex
using abusive language. His brother Tristan is also quoted in
prosecution transcripts allegedly talking about slaving women for ten to
twelve hours a day.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Slaving wheremen from ten to twelve hours a day okay
to doctor Joni Johnston, forensic psychologist and private investigator, author
of serial Killers. One hundred and one question true crime
fans ask doctor Johnny, thank you for being with us.
Explain what's happening here?
Speaker 9 (19:46):
Well, you know, I think the scale or the potential
scale of what is going on is mind boggling. But
the ausual techniques that we're hearing about, I mean, how
many times do we heard these Nancy, you know, just
isolating people from the loved lines and people they care about,
the abuse, the coercion. I mean, it's we've heard that
in a million different ways. It's the way to isolate
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and control your victims, and it's, you know, it's something
we've heard over and over again.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Guys, you think this hasn't happened before. It's happened so
many times before sex culls, and it's always women and
children who are subjugated, who are raped, who are sodomized,
who are forced into pimping out for other guys. Take
a listen to our cut nineteen. We're talking about nexium. Listen.
Speaker 10 (20:35):
Alison Mack is due in court facing sex trafficking charges
after being accused of involvement in helping to recruit women
as alleged sex slaves for a secret sorority within an
organization called Nexium, based out of Albany, New York. Mac
gave a testimonial for the group.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
When I first came, I had on the surface something
that seems to be like the perfect life for a
pretty good life.
Speaker 10 (20:56):
Keith Rinieri, the leader of Nexium, is facing charges including
sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy related to that secret sorority.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Cheryl McCollum joining me, Founder and director of the Cold
Case Research Institute. You can find her at Coldcasecrimes dot org. Cheryl,
thank you for being with us. Nexium is a US
based sex cult where people were actually allowed being branded
and beaten right here under our nose, including celebrities. The
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only thing different here with Andrew Tate is he's rubbing
our face in it. It's right here on the internet.
He's going out to the most expensive restaurant he can
and videoing his celebration after getting to walk free on
this nacy.
Speaker 11 (21:47):
I think some terminology here is going to be important.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Terminology, Lyria Inn, How is terminology going to put this
guy behind bars? Terminology? What does that.
Speaker 11 (21:58):
Matter to me because they need unders who he is.
They keep using words like today on the show, people
have said grooming that implies over time. Listen to me
very carefully. There are three types of pimp. There's the
Ceo pimp, there's a Romeo pimp, and there's the gorilla pimp.
The Ceo pimp is all about money. He only cares
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about money. She's an object. He's going to make money.
Speaker 12 (22:21):
He owns her.
Speaker 11 (22:22):
The Romeo pimp may tell her, hey, you're my wife,
you're my woman, put his name on her neck, tattoo
her as property, but she believes they're together. Then you've
got the gorilla pimp. He's going to bust you in
your face, shoot you up with heroin, and you are
a six slave in fifteen minutes. And here's the thing.
The gentleman that is doing all of this. He can
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go from a Ceo pimp to a gorilla pimp, or
a Romeo pimp to a gorilla pimp. And that's what
you're seeing here. He promised them love and marriage and
the next thing they know, they're beaten, laying on the
cement floor, working eight hours a day with no break.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And when you say working eight hours a day. What
you mean is enduring rape after rape after rape after
rape after rape, and the pimp gets the money. Does
the arrest of Andrew Tate and his creepy brother spell
the end of the so called manosphere? You know, like hemisphere,
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but manosphere the controversial, That's one way to put it.
Influencer Andrew Tate reportedly will be extradited to the UK
this after a grainy footage from police shows a man
dubbed the quote King of Toxic Masculinity being arrested in
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the death of the Night along with his creepy brother
and hauled into a Bucharist court in handcuffs. Within hours,
a judge approves the extradition of Andrew and Tristan Tate
to the UK, where they now face charges of sex
aggression in a case that dates back to two thousand
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and fifteen, but the judge says the Tate brothers won't
actually be sent to the UK until they face trial
in Romania on separate charges of human trafficking, rape and
forming a criminal group to exploit women. Tate, now thirty seven,
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describes himself as a misogynist. He's a British American social
media influencer a former professional kickboxer and has around nine
million followers on x formerly Twitter. Of course, many of
them are just schoolboys. Hello. Multiple women in multiple countries
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accuse him of rape, sex assault, and trafficking, and of
bragging about the crimes on social media. The US and
all of this. You want to tell me he has
not exploited women from the US, Well, let's go back
to the beginning. To you, Taitlin Becker, senior vesigedd reporter
(25:12):
dalimil dot com. Could you please explain Obviously I'm not
doing a good job, and I accept that you can
do much better than me, explaining what kind of hate
and vitriol Andrew tait spews. What does he say?
Speaker 8 (25:28):
Well, first and foremost fancy, just to sort of put
the pimp question to bed, he sorry for the really
poorly timed pun there too. He himself at a course
called PhD in the war room. This is where the
conversations that you were reading came from. And PhD stands
for pimpin hoose degree. So he was doing this very
(25:50):
much in plane sight.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You know what, you are so polite. I am not
PhD pimpin pose degree. That's what he calls women ladies. Whores,
pamping whores. Degree. Now, if he were just those are
just words. I can't proscu some money for words unless
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they're terroristic threats. But these aren't just words. Where do
you think he's getting three hundred million dollars plus? More
women are being raped and subjugated and trafficked because of
Andrew takes cult like members that he creates. Go ahead,
(26:38):
please Titlin Becker.
Speaker 8 (26:40):
Well, on top of that, Nancy with the money, he
essentially ran a pyramid scheme with his Hustlers University that
was his more public platform. It was fifty bucks a month,
and they he essentially gave people advice on how to
be a better man and how to get wealthy, and
how to control women. And then he would have those
members go and recruit other members. So he's running this
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sort of pyramid scheme on one side that I think
at one point had something like over one hundred thousand subscribers,
in addition to this other war room, which was certainly
more nefarious, and we know from those leaked text messages
that they spoke about women in just the most degrading terms,
(27:21):
and they spoke about actions with women, about how they
wanted to basically enslave them how they wanted them to,
not have any control, like you said, very cult like,
very much cult like, not have any control over their finances,
not be able to control what they did, what they wore,
what they eat, who they saw, and also separate them
from their families. So those are sort of the actionable
(27:43):
things that he's accused of doing. But what it comes
down to is he had a lot of these women
allegedly performing online on something like OnlyFans, which is another
subscription based service, and different kinds of pornography sites which
are other subscription based services. So he would allegedly get
the money in from that while forcing these women for
(28:05):
ten twelve hours a day to perform these sex acts
against their will. And these can be done anywhere because
everything is online.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Cheryl McCollum, I need you right now to help me
explain that I'm going to go to our other All
Star guests. First of all, a renowned international attorney is
joining us, Greg Algrin and Lee Reeber, incredible forensic detective. Cheryl,
I'm not making it clear. I don't think I need
(28:35):
you to help me. I cannot expect everyone in this
room or everyone listening right now. To understand the outrage
that I'm feeling, I think you have to go, and
you have to either be a sex assault victim yourself,
which guess what, you'd be really surprised about the people
you know that are sex assault victims that have never
(29:00):
mentioned it. You'd be very surprised unless you are a
sex assault victim, or have worked with sex assault victims,
or you have gone and you have seen for yourself
the lives of these women in the back of the
nil salon, in the back of the massage parlors, in
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the apartments, the houses where they are beaten and drugged
and raped by multiple men a day, and their lives
are torn apart and they are never the same. The beatings,
the humiliations, these women, these girls just go numb. And
(29:43):
while I often say, yeah, you can go on, you
can go forward in their life, Yeah you can, but
they are forever wounded. Their psyche is forever messed up.
Help me, Cheryl, I can't describe the stem, the smell,
the anguish, the numbness that these women are living through
(30:06):
right now while we're talking about which word to use,
they're being ready to sodomize and mean right now Cheryl Antey.
Speaker 11 (30:14):
I think you're doing a beautiful job that I know.
For us on the street level and law enforcement, it
is so difficult when you find a location and you
kick that door in and you see somebody that's about
twelve years old, and they're scared to death to come
to you. They're scared to death to talk. They will
not give the person's name up, they will not tell
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what's been happening. They don't want to be reunited with
their families. Everything in their life is upside down. And
when you're talking about trying to help somebody and you know,
bring them back home and get them to a place
where they can maybe even go back to school, it's
almost impossible.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yes, Cheryl hold On, I want to talk about grown women. Okay,
and yes, everything you just said was right. But these women,
it's like the ladies that I work with at the
Batter Women's Center. They're so beaten and beaten down and
drugged and it's horrible. I mean, think about it.
Speaker 11 (31:14):
It's not much different for us. Since she's twenty one
or thirty five, everything has been flipped for her. The
paranoia is real. The drugs they were given them is real.
The beatings are real, So you are so afraid to
go against that person. It doesn't matter what somebody in
law enforcement says, what somebody in your family says.
Speaker 12 (31:35):
You believe this person that's.
Speaker 11 (31:38):
Been beaten you, there's been drugging you, that's been sexually
assaulting you, is still in control of you, even if
they've been taken to jams.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
This is Don Schiller Again. I don't think I am
a survivor of all of that. That is exactly what
I went through. I went through that with John Holmes.
I went through that with almost six years of being hidden,
being beaten, being addicted to drugs, being forced into prostitution,
being forced into crime. I did all of that. I
know that trauma is a life sentence. So I feel
(32:06):
you and I hear you on that on a big level,
on a big level, and I do care about these
women and I understand what they're going through. What he's doing,
I agree with you one hundred percent, is absolutely egregious.
That he's just throwing it in people's faces. Is even
more insulting to survivors, and the victims who are still
out there are scared to death to speak up. You
don't know you're a victim. When you are coming out
(32:28):
of that, you've been brainwashed into believe in that you
did it to yourself if you consented to all of that.
That's part of the tactic.
Speaker 12 (32:35):
That the youth.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. According to the notorious misogynist
the Tape Brothers quote, this case arises from defendant TikTok's
unlawful and motivated decision to deplatform Andrew Tate and Tristan
(33:05):
Tate too internationally known entrepreneurs, commentators, and media personalities. Well,
they're known for a whole lot more than that. Greg
Augrin is joining us as well as Lee Reeber, Greg
high profile international lawyer with the US dah Emax Law Group.
(33:26):
Listen to this more of the messages and the misogynistic
hate spewed by this alleged sex trafficker. This is in
his wor room instructs members to quote punish victims that
would be women for transgressions by having her get our
(33:46):
name tattooed on her. One group leader, called a general,
describes how he hit a woman in the head with
her own keyboard when she complained about something. The woman
who worked for him then went in the room and
worked seven hours without a break. It goes on and
(34:08):
on and on about how to beat and control women
to perform pornographic acts, group sex, many online, many on screen.
Greg Algrin is joining us. Greg. A lot of what
I know from these alleged messages of Andrew Tates I
(34:32):
can't bring myself to repeat on the air. But let
me ask you, what can the US do about it?
Because there is there are so many victims here, I believe,
including one victim whose name has somehow been leaked, and
all these a holes working Rotate or working under Tait
(34:53):
have actually started trolling her and sending this woman death threats.
I mean, what are we going to do about it?
And what can we do about it?
Speaker 12 (35:02):
Sure? So the situation is just it it's so outrageous
that it cries out for legal accountability, and I think
you know, eventually it has to catch up with all
of them in apartment right, because Andrew Tate is a
(35:23):
citizen by birth of the United States, and so he
can flee the country, but he can't. He can't lose
that citizenship. And that means the US, with his network
of mutual legal assistance treaties, is always going to have
an interest perhaps, you know, it's a question of sort
(35:43):
of capturing the attention of law enforcement. But the US
has the means to catch up with it wherever he
is and ensure there's some legal accountability. So it needs
to happen a lot of times. It's very very slow,
it's bureaucratic, but the process that it can be virtually
(36:03):
impossible to escape from once it gets started. So hopefully
we'll see sooner rather than later that legal accountability. There's
a structure for it. It just needs to be engaged.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I want you to hear this. Andrew Tate quote told
rape victim he would get her pregnant, lock her away,
allegedly find webcam workers that started crying during sex acts
on webcam and tried to coerce him into group sex,
(36:39):
and then they started crying and so he punished them.
This is his business that is making five million dollars
a month. One victim claims Tate tried to force her
to have group sex and said shut up horror when
she tried to. There are hundreds and hundreds of pages
(37:03):
of reported testimony and evidence verbally physically abusing these women.
One woman tells prosecutor's Tape would rape her while holding
her head so as she couldn't move, and threaten to
get her pregnant. I mean, it goes on and on
and on. He would take her clothes and shoes away
(37:25):
from her and continue to beat her. Shut up, horror,
you will do as I say. I mean, it goes
on and on and on, and I'm reading you only
portions of what I know. Many of these women, apparently Caitlin,
are promised love a marriage, and then they are transported,
many of them to Romania, where they are gang raped,
(37:49):
sex exploited, and subjected to physical violence. There are hundreds
and hundreds and hundreds of pages of reported violence. One
victim reports a Taate coworker, a Henchman, threatens to quote
break her teeth that she would end up in the morgue.
(38:10):
The women creating porn for Tates Brothers webcam business alleged
their income is controlled by the Tates. They are fined
or punished if they start crying during a sex act,
if they wipe their nose, if they take too long
on a break. It just goes on and on and on.
(38:33):
Many people ask how did Andrew and Tristan Tate get
back into the US. We know that Florida launched a
criminal investigation and to the influencers, I guess you could
call them that. They spew hate for women every day online.
Andrew and Tristan Tate. At the end of February, the
two fled to the US from Romania, where they were
(38:57):
accused of human trafficking and accused of forming an organized
group to sex exploit women. Andrew Tate also accused of rape.
Of course, they deny all the charges. Now, the two
were dual citizens in the UK and the US, and
they have made millions of dollars off social media. Online
(39:20):
they're extremely controversial with repeated offensive statements about women. They
have an American dad who worked for the US Air
Force in Britain. Their parents met in the UK and
then they moved to the US. Now that's how they're
US citizens through the dad. The parents divorced, the mom
(39:43):
goes back to England. The brothers spent time there and
police there linked them to quote terrifying radicalization of boys
and young men into violence against women and girls. There
was a big red fl in Romania that they were
going to try and leave because they went quiet on
(40:03):
social media. They then flew from Bucharest to Florida on
a private jet back in January. Now why why? Why?
The travel band had been lifted and the two got
their US passports back. Oddly, the two have a huge
US following. Many people, many, many people in the crime
(40:28):
victim community are extremely disturbed by reports that US officials
asked for Tate's travel restrictions to be relaxed. Why now.
The Florida criminal investigation is a civil lawsuit from a
(40:49):
woman who claims they coerced her into sex work, then
defamed her when she gave evidence to Romanian police. They
deny this again. At this juncture, the two are innocent
until proven guilty. I guess even the devil can follow
lawsuit because that's exactly what a Tate brother has done.
(41:11):
That's right. Andrew Tate slams TikTok in Zuckerberg's Meta for
one hundred million dollars for kicking him off their platforms.
According to Tate quote, it's good versus evil, so insists
the accused rapist. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye for
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Oh my stars, does it
never end with the two Tate brothers, the notorious women haters.
In the last days, Andrew Tate hits TikTok and Zuckerbird's
(00:20):
Meta for one hundred million dollars, claiming damage when he
was kicked off the platforms back in twenty twenty two.
Quote it's good versus evil, says the accused rapist. I'm
Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank
(00:43):
you for being with us. Let me refresh everyone's recollection,
as we say in court as to who the Tate
brothers are. They became social media famous, TikTok, instant, you
name it for all their hate talk about women, right
and they are wanted on claims of sex trafficking and rape,
(01:07):
facing those rape and sex trafficking charges in Romania and
the UK, with a criminal investigation going on here in
the US as these called king of toxic masculinity and
you Tate has just come to an epiphany deciding now's
(01:29):
the time to go after Meta and TikTok for kicking
the misogynist off the platforms a while back. Right now,
hold up in Dubai with his equally infamous brother Tristan.
He wants the social media giants to hand over fifty
million dollars each for damaging his reputation. Wait what, He's
(01:56):
already got a horrible reputation. Remember those rape and sex
trafficking charges. I mean, how how can your reputation get worse?
According to the claims, Meta and TikTok caused quote emotional distress,
business interference and misappropriation. Oh my stars, I'm getting emotional
(02:19):
distress remembering when all these two have been accused of
The online influencer Andrew Tate with literally millions of followers
Go Figure was detained and handed an arrest warrant issued
by the British government. Tate thirty seven and creepy brother
Tristan Tate detained. They were detained on claims of sex aggression,
(02:44):
that's what they call it in the UK, in a
case dating all the way back to two thousand and fifteen.
Now a Romanian court where the two were hiding out
has to make a quote pivotal decision whether they're going
to execute the warrants issued by the UK Westminster Magistrates Court.
(03:07):
They darn well better if they want to keep relations
up with the UK. Four women reported Tate. Four women,
not one, not two, not three, but four report Tate
to authorities for sex violence and physical abuse. For some reason,
the crown decided not to prosecute him. These victims had
(03:30):
to turn to crowd funding to cover their legal costs.
The four female victims handed over their evidence about the
horrific acts of violence. They say they endured and just waited,
but time passes and they were told the UK authorities
would not prosecute them. Now, don't forget. Tate is charged
(03:53):
in a separate case with rape, human trafficking and forming
a criminal gang to sexually expel Floyd women. Why does
this guy have millions of men followers? Freaks? How did
the whole thing begin? Possibly the most misogynistic person I
(04:15):
have ever encountered discussing tactics on how to lure sex
trafficking victims. These texts, messages and more have now been
leaked and it's all spewing from the empire built by
(04:37):
Andrew Tate, a sex trafficker according to Ellie Law Enforcement.
First of all, take a listen to this.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Most people know Andrew Tate for his online content, which
had been called misogynistic but what most people don't know
is that he also runs a secret of all male society,
The Warm, which he says is a kind of of
self help society that helps you become better men. It
costs six pounds a year to join. What we uncovered
is that actually within the Warm, they're actually teaching men
(05:09):
methods for grooming women into online sex work. And we've
identified from the leaked messages you referred to at least
forty five potential victims of this crewing method.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Breaking news, disgraced influencer Andrew Tait has been indicted and
will face charges of rape, human trafficking, and forming a
criminal gang to sexually exploit women. According to officials, three
others will also be charged in connection to human trafficking, including.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Andrew's brother, Tristan.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
A spokesperson for the Tate brothers confirm their indictment to
NBC News. Both brothers deny all allegations.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
The two were.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Remanded into custody back in December before being released under
house arrest in March.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I can't stop someone from being misogynistic, that's within them.
But I tell you this much, we can stop six trafficking. Now,
what's so amazing is He's not trafficking women in secret.
They're not in the back of massage parlors and nail
(06:07):
salons with their papers stolen from them unless they have
sex with strangers and then they're making the money. This
is not some thirteen or fourteen year old girl that
has been stolen and she's being hidden in some secret
apartment somewhere in La far far away from home, being
beaten in drug This is right in our face. This
(06:30):
is happening right online. I really don't even know where
to start taking listener friends.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
At BBC Prosecutors have filed formal charges against the controversial
influencer Andrew Tate, his brother Tristan, and two associates. The
charges include rape, human trafficking and forming an organized crime group,
as well as illegally accessing a computer system and violence
against one of the alleged victims.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
The indictment court.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Says that at the beginning of twenty twenty one, the
for defendants formed and organized a criminal group to commit
to human trafficking in the United States under Britain.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
We know there are seven alleged victims who are apparently
allegedly recruited by false promises of love and marriage by
the two Tape brothers.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Love and marriage, my rear end, that is not what
this is. This is not about love and marriage. You
were hearing from our friends at BBC as well as NBC.
This is not about love and marriage at all. Guys.
Before I go to senior investigative reporter for dailymail dot Com,
(07:35):
Caitlin Becker, joining us, I want you to hear our
cut fifteen from The Dangerous Rise of Andrew ta BBC. Listen.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
In the eleaked messages that we got access to, were
able to see that up to forty five women were
recruited into working on webcam potentially groomed using this method
without their knowledge. We saw specific examples of men grooming
specific women, and in the documentary we spoke to two
of those women, one in Buenos Ayre's Argentina and one
on the West coast of the US, who both alleged
(08:06):
that they personally were groomed by senior members of Andrew
Tate's warrem.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
That's not all. Take a lissnar are cut in Lucia
Williamson BBC.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
The prosecution also says that women were forced by the
defendants to make pornographic content online and alleged that some
women did not control the money they made and were
fined for crying on camera or for.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Not working hard enough.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
As spokeswoman for the Tate Brothers said that they vehemently
denied the serious allegations against them.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Joining me in astar panel to make sense of what
we know right now. Straight out to senior investigative reporter
for the Dailymail dot Com, Caitlin Becker. Caitlin, thank you
for being with us forty five known alleged victims. There
are actually victims in multiple countries. That's not unusual. Do
you remember the initial sorts from Nalie Holloway or US
(09:01):
Not only US, but many other journalists and law enforcement
were looking at the islands nearest to Aruba, including the
Netherland Antilles, thinking she had been removed from the island
for sex trafficking. That is a part of sex trafficking.
You remove the victim from their home, from their money,
(09:21):
from their cell phone, from their driver's license, their ID,
and they're stuck with you and nowhere to go, and
they're being beaten and drugged and they're taken away from
their home. The fact that this conspiracy to sex traffic
is in many countries. It's hard for some people to believe,
(09:43):
but this is the way sex trafficking works. Who is
Andrew Tate, Caitlin Well, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
It's the way sex trafficking work.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
But it's also the way the Internet works. And Andrew
Tate's claim to fame is on the Internet. I mean
he had a short lived stint on British Big Brother,
but really he became known in online circles for being
kind of the king of misogyny and teaching men how
to be men, which involved subjugating and harassing women. He
(10:18):
had very popular online courses. He had one that called
something Hustlers, and that was more of his public one,
and then this war Room that you've been hearing about
was his private one. But he also had very popular
social media account where he propagated this type of bullying
and misogyny and as you heard, essentially allegedly grooming, and
(10:41):
he garnered thousands and thousands and thousands of followers. And
for war Room particularly, you had to pay the equivalent
of what is about eight thousand dollars to join. He's
then profiting off of this and prowling like minded men
to listen to the types of sort of vile information
(11:04):
that he's viewing. So the conspiracy goes far and wide.
You not only have Andrew and Twisting Kate, the brothers
who were at the head of this that's sort of
ahead of the stink, but you also have all of
those war room members. You can imagine how far this
can go. I mean, we have alleged victims. There are
seven in the indictment, and they are from all over
(11:24):
the world, several in Europe, at least one in the
United States. All of their identities are being protected. We
are also hearing potentially forty five others from these leaked
telegram messages that the BBC obtained. But Nancy, those messages
are only for one year, so you have to imagine
in one year, if there's forty five potential victims, I
(11:45):
can't even fathom how many of that could be.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace Days, renowned misogynist woman hater,
Andrew Tate slams TikTok and Meta Zuckerberg's Meta for one
hundred million dollars for emotional distress and damaging the Tate's reputation.
(12:19):
What reputation, According to prosecutors, rape and sex trafficking charges
have been lodged and not one but two countries and
an investigation going on in the US. Tate has nearly
nine million followers on the social media platform x also
(12:40):
known as Twitter. He repeatedly claims prosecutors have no evidence
against him and that there is a conspiracy to quote
silence him. Okay, when you start talking about conspiracies, you'll
lose me. Remember everybody said the LAPD had a conspiracy
against OJ simpsom to frame him for double murder. BF
(13:00):
Like you think one of those cops would take a
million dollars for a tell all book about the so
called conspiracy to frame OJ Simpson. Yeah, it's my understanding
and my experience. It's too difficult for people to keep
the pyhole shut in a conspiracy. Even social media is
shunning him. He's been banned from multiple social media platforms
(13:24):
for misogynistic woman hating views and hate speech. What more
do we know about Andrew Tate and his freaky brother
I know this. They're rolling in money. Romanian authorities sees
fifteen luxury cars, fourteen designer watches, and cash in several currencies.
(13:44):
That's weird, worth around four million dollars. These two women
haters and alleged sex traffickers are making a mint online. Look,
this isn't just a single instance. Over three hundred million
(14:04):
dollars US dollars was seized. That is the tip of
the iceberg with how many people this guy is controlling
and how many women are being subjected to sex trafficking,
forced pornography, being raped, being beaten. In his chats screenshots
(14:31):
purported messages from the quote war Room, Tate describes women
as quote targets and assets, and explains how to isolate
and manipulate women. In one message, this woman hater describes
how he isolated one woman until she quote lost her
(14:52):
support networks at home, and he kept her in his
compound quote and this takes tastes like dirt sandwich to me.
The real goal is for her to agree to never
go anywhere without me, not even her hometown. I need
her working. This is from his screenshots. He appears to
(15:14):
seek help from his associates to force one woman to
post sexually explicit content on only fans. He tells his
followers he'll be making the play tonight. Since she moved
to his compound, she's been fed, but nothing else. These
are his words she's broke. She can't go home, she
(15:36):
can't leave the house. Man, I sound almost evil, guys,
this is such a huge operation. Take a listen to
our cut too, Lucy Williamson.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
The charge of human trafficking is an umbrella charge, and
within that there are several counts against each of the
four defendants. We're also getting some information from the organized
crime Unit about the assets that have been seized properties, cars,
luxury watches, but also more than three hundred million US
dollars in cryptocurrency. And we're told that there are separate
(16:09):
charges that are still under investigation that may be the
subjects of a separate indictment in the future.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Think about it. How many times have I told a
jury don't turn away. Think about what's happening around you.
Think about these facts young women being forced into sex.
Rate Think about it. Do you have a daughter, a mother,
(16:37):
a sister. Think about her being forced into sex, isolated
from her family. To the tin of this guy making
at least three hundred million dollars. Nancy, May I hear
someone jumping at Who is it? Nancy?
Speaker 7 (16:53):
This is Don Shiller.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Hi, guys, this is Don Schiller and joining us training
director for the La County Project with to Abolish Slavery
and Trafficking. She's the best selling author of The Road
through Wonderland, Surviving John Holmes down, please jump in.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
Go ahead, thank you, thank you. I also call myself
a lived experience expert in and that's what we do
when we go out and teach and train around human trafficking.
So when I hear the word grooming a lot, what
really applies to is the recruitment. Grooming is recruitment under
the umbrella of what is human trafficking, And I'm luring somebody
in on their vulnerabilities based off of meeds for love
(17:35):
and attention whatever that is, because they didn't have it
at home. It is really a classic form of recruitment
into where the victim is then now kept in by force.
Fraud and coercion and coersion is all types of things.
The fraud is this promise of love that never turns
into Love's always like having to force you into doing something.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Guys, I'm looking online at Andrew. It's leaked text. Wait
a minute, this is about maximum difficulty you experience in
the business. If we all agree on that, I'll give
you a play by play of what I try. I
do this for every girl I get to work. If
(18:17):
you guys see the value, you guys can use your
bottom bit to do whatever g is doing. You are
never going back to your hometown, even to visit without me.
You understand that is part of his technique. These are
his words, not mine. It goes on and on and on.
(18:39):
One definitive excuse of raping one woman twice using intimidation,
constant surveillance and claims in the victims that we're in debt.
Take a listen to our cut eight from BBC.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Prosecutors outline the testimony and the evidence that against Andrew Taate.
It includes transcriptions of text and audio messages which appear
to show how the alleged trafficking operation was managed and
the apparent coersion, control and abuse of women by mister
Tait and his co defendants. In one transcribed exchange, Andrew
(19:10):
Tate appears to coerce an alleged victim into group sex
using abusive language. His brother Tristan is also quoted in
prosecution transcripts allegedly talking about slaving women for ten to
twelve hours a day.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Slaving wheremen from ten to twelve hours a day okay
to doctor Joni Johnston, forensic psychologist and private investigator, author
of serial Killers. One hundred and one question true crime
fans ask doctor Johnny, thank you for being with us.
Explain what's happening here?
Speaker 9 (19:46):
Well, you know, I think the scale or the potential
scale of what is going on is mind boggling. But
the ausual techniques that we're hearing about, I mean, how
many times do we heard these Nancy, you know, just
isolating people from the loved lines and people they care about,
the abuse, the coercion. I mean, it's we've heard that
in a million different ways. It's the way to isolate
(20:10):
and control your victims, and it's, you know, it's something
we've heard over and over again.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Guys, you think this hasn't happened before. It's happened so
many times before sex culls, and it's always women and
children who are subjugated, who are raped, who are sodomized,
who are forced into pimping out for other guys. Take
a listen to our cut nineteen. We're talking about nexium. Listen.
Speaker 10 (20:35):
Alison Mack is due in court facing sex trafficking charges
after being accused of involvement in helping to recruit women
as alleged sex slaves for a secret sorority within an
organization called Nexium, based out of Albany, New York. Mac
gave a testimonial for the group.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
When I first came, I had on the surface something
that seems to be like the perfect life for a
pretty good life.
Speaker 10 (20:56):
Keith Rinieri, the leader of Nexium, is facing charges including
sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy related to that secret sorority.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Cheryl McCollum joining me, Founder and director of the Cold
Case Research Institute. You can find her at Coldcasecrimes dot org. Cheryl,
thank you for being with us. Nexium is a US
based sex cult where people were actually allowed being branded
and beaten right here under our nose, including celebrities. The
(21:30):
only thing different here with Andrew Tate is he's rubbing
our face in it. It's right here on the internet.
He's going out to the most expensive restaurant he can
and videoing his celebration after getting to walk free on
this nacy.
Speaker 11 (21:47):
I think some terminology here is going to be important.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Terminology, Lyria Inn, How is terminology going to put this
guy behind bars? Terminology? What does that.
Speaker 11 (21:58):
Matter to me because they need unders who he is.
They keep using words like today on the show, people
have said grooming that implies over time. Listen to me
very carefully. There are three types of pimp. There's the
Ceo pimp, there's a Romeo pimp, and there's the gorilla pimp.
The Ceo pimp is all about money. He only cares
(22:19):
about money. She's an object. He's going to make money.
Speaker 12 (22:21):
He owns her.
Speaker 11 (22:22):
The Romeo pimp may tell her, hey, you're my wife,
you're my woman, put his name on her neck, tattoo
her as property, but she believes they're together. Then you've
got the gorilla pimp. He's going to bust you in
your face, shoot you up with heroin, and you are
a six slave in fifteen minutes. And here's the thing.
The gentleman that is doing all of this. He can
(22:45):
go from a Ceo pimp to a gorilla pimp, or
a Romeo pimp to a gorilla pimp. And that's what
you're seeing here. He promised them love and marriage and
the next thing they know, they're beaten, laying on the
cement floor, working eight hours a day with no break.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
And when you say working eight hours a day. What
you mean is enduring rape after rape after rape after
rape after rape, and the pimp gets the money. Does
the arrest of Andrew Tate and his creepy brother spell
the end of the so called manosphere? You know, like hemisphere,
(23:25):
but manosphere the controversial, That's one way to put it.
Influencer Andrew Tate reportedly will be extradited to the UK
this after a grainy footage from police shows a man
dubbed the quote King of Toxic Masculinity being arrested in
(23:46):
the death of the Night along with his creepy brother
and hauled into a Bucharist court in handcuffs. Within hours,
a judge approves the extradition of Andrew and Tristan Tate
to the UK, where they now face charges of sex
aggression in a case that dates back to two thousand
(24:08):
and fifteen, but the judge says the Tate brothers won't
actually be sent to the UK until they face trial
in Romania on separate charges of human trafficking, rape and
forming a criminal group to exploit women. Tate, now thirty seven,
(24:28):
describes himself as a misogynist. He's a British American social
media influencer a former professional kickboxer and has around nine
million followers on x formerly Twitter. Of course, many of
them are just schoolboys. Hello. Multiple women in multiple countries
(24:51):
accuse him of rape, sex assault, and trafficking, and of
bragging about the crimes on social media. The US and
all of this. You want to tell me he has
not exploited women from the US, Well, let's go back
to the beginning. To you, Taitlin Becker, senior vesigedd reporter
(25:12):
dalimil dot com. Could you please explain Obviously I'm not
doing a good job, and I accept that you can
do much better than me, explaining what kind of hate
and vitriol Andrew tait spews. What does he say?
Speaker 8 (25:28):
Well, first and foremost fancy, just to sort of put
the pimp question to bed, he sorry for the really
poorly timed pun there too. He himself at a course
called PhD in the war room. This is where the
conversations that you were reading came from. And PhD stands
for pimpin hoose degree. So he was doing this very
(25:50):
much in plane sight.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You know what, you are so polite. I am not
PhD pimpin pose degree. That's what he calls women ladies. Whores,
pamping whores. Degree. Now, if he were just those are
just words. I can't proscu some money for words unless
(26:16):
they're terroristic threats. But these aren't just words. Where do
you think he's getting three hundred million dollars plus? More
women are being raped and subjugated and trafficked because of
Andrew takes cult like members that he creates. Go ahead,
(26:38):
please Titlin Becker.
Speaker 8 (26:40):
Well, on top of that, Nancy with the money, he
essentially ran a pyramid scheme with his Hustlers University that
was his more public platform. It was fifty bucks a month,
and they he essentially gave people advice on how to
be a better man and how to get wealthy, and
how to control women. And then he would have those
members go and recruit other members. So he's running this
(27:01):
sort of pyramid scheme on one side that I think
at one point had something like over one hundred thousand subscribers,
in addition to this other war room, which was certainly
more nefarious, and we know from those leaked text messages
that they spoke about women in just the most degrading terms,
(27:21):
and they spoke about actions with women, about how they
wanted to basically enslave them how they wanted them to,
not have any control, like you said, very cult like,
very much cult like, not have any control over their finances,
not be able to control what they did, what they wore,
what they eat, who they saw, and also separate them
from their families. So those are sort of the actionable
(27:43):
things that he's accused of doing. But what it comes
down to is he had a lot of these women
allegedly performing online on something like OnlyFans, which is another
subscription based service, and different kinds of pornography sites which
are other subscription based services. So he would allegedly get
the money in from that while forcing these women for
(28:05):
ten twelve hours a day to perform these sex acts
against their will. And these can be done anywhere because
everything is online.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Cheryl McCollum, I need you right now to help me
explain that I'm going to go to our other All
Star guests. First of all, a renowned international attorney is
joining us, Greg Algrin and Lee Reeber, incredible forensic detective. Cheryl,
I'm not making it clear. I don't think I need
(28:35):
you to help me. I cannot expect everyone in this
room or everyone listening right now. To understand the outrage
that I'm feeling, I think you have to go, and
you have to either be a sex assault victim yourself,
which guess what, you'd be really surprised about the people
you know that are sex assault victims that have never
(29:00):
mentioned it. You'd be very surprised unless you are a
sex assault victim, or have worked with sex assault victims,
or you have gone and you have seen for yourself
the lives of these women in the back of the
nil salon, in the back of the massage parlors, in
(29:21):
the apartments, the houses where they are beaten and drugged
and raped by multiple men a day, and their lives
are torn apart and they are never the same. The beatings,
the humiliations, these women, these girls just go numb. And
(29:43):
while I often say, yeah, you can go on, you
can go forward in their life, Yeah you can, but
they are forever wounded. Their psyche is forever messed up.
Help me, Cheryl, I can't describe the stem, the smell,
the anguish, the numbness that these women are living through
(30:06):
right now while we're talking about which word to use,
they're being ready to sodomize and mean right now Cheryl Antey.
Speaker 11 (30:14):
I think you're doing a beautiful job that I know.
For us on the street level and law enforcement, it
is so difficult when you find a location and you
kick that door in and you see somebody that's about
twelve years old, and they're scared to death to come
to you. They're scared to death to talk. They will
not give the person's name up, they will not tell
(30:35):
what's been happening. They don't want to be reunited with
their families. Everything in their life is upside down. And
when you're talking about trying to help somebody and you know,
bring them back home and get them to a place
where they can maybe even go back to school, it's
almost impossible.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yes, Cheryl hold On, I want to talk about grown women. Okay,
and yes, everything you just said was right. But these women,
it's like the ladies that I work with at the
Batter Women's Center. They're so beaten and beaten down and
drugged and it's horrible. I mean, think about it.
Speaker 11 (31:14):
It's not much different for us. Since she's twenty one
or thirty five, everything has been flipped for her. The
paranoia is real. The drugs they were given them is real.
The beatings are real, So you are so afraid to
go against that person. It doesn't matter what somebody in
law enforcement says, what somebody in your family says.
Speaker 12 (31:35):
You believe this person that's.
Speaker 11 (31:38):
Been beaten you, there's been drugging you, that's been sexually
assaulting you, is still in control of you, even if
they've been taken to jams.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
This is Don Schiller Again. I don't think I am
a survivor of all of that. That is exactly what
I went through. I went through that with John Holmes.
I went through that with almost six years of being hidden,
being beaten, being addicted to drugs, being forced into prostitution,
being forced into crime. I did all of that. I
know that trauma is a life sentence. So I feel
(32:06):
you and I hear you on that on a big level,
on a big level, and I do care about these
women and I understand what they're going through. What he's doing,
I agree with you one hundred percent, is absolutely egregious.
That he's just throwing it in people's faces. Is even
more insulting to survivors, and the victims who are still
out there are scared to death to speak up. You
don't know you're a victim. When you are coming out
(32:28):
of that, you've been brainwashed into believe in that you
did it to yourself if you consented to all of that.
That's part of the tactic.
Speaker 12 (32:35):
That the youth.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace. According to the notorious misogynist
the Tape Brothers quote, this case arises from defendant TikTok's
unlawful and motivated decision to deplatform Andrew Tate and Tristan
(33:05):
Tate too internationally known entrepreneurs, commentators, and media personalities. Well,
they're known for a whole lot more than that. Greg
Augrin is joining us as well as Lee Reeber, Greg
high profile international lawyer with the US dah Emax Law Group.
(33:26):
Listen to this more of the messages and the misogynistic
hate spewed by this alleged sex trafficker. This is in
his wor room instructs members to quote punish victims that
would be women for transgressions by having her get our
(33:46):
name tattooed on her. One group leader, called a general,
describes how he hit a woman in the head with
her own keyboard when she complained about something. The woman
who worked for him then went in the room and
worked seven hours without a break. It goes on and
(34:08):
on and on about how to beat and control women
to perform pornographic acts, group sex, many online, many on screen.
Greg Algrin is joining us. Greg. A lot of what
I know from these alleged messages of Andrew Tates I
(34:32):
can't bring myself to repeat on the air. But let
me ask you, what can the US do about it?
Because there is there are so many victims here, I believe,
including one victim whose name has somehow been leaked, and
all these a holes working Rotate or working under Tait
(34:53):
have actually started trolling her and sending this woman death threats.
I mean, what are we going to do about it?
And what can we do about it?
Speaker 12 (35:02):
Sure? So the situation is just it it's so outrageous
that it cries out for legal accountability, and I think
you know, eventually it has to catch up with all
of them in apartment right, because Andrew Tate is a
(35:23):
citizen by birth of the United States, and so he
can flee the country, but he can't. He can't lose
that citizenship. And that means the US, with his network
of mutual legal assistance treaties, is always going to have
an interest perhaps, you know, it's a question of sort
(35:43):
of capturing the attention of law enforcement. But the US
has the means to catch up with it wherever he
is and ensure there's some legal accountability. So it needs
to happen a lot of times. It's very very slow,
it's bureaucratic, but the process that it can be virtually
(36:03):
impossible to escape from once it gets started. So hopefully
we'll see sooner rather than later that legal accountability. There's
a structure for it. It just needs to be engaged.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I want you to hear this. Andrew Tate quote told
rape victim he would get her pregnant, lock her away,
allegedly find webcam workers that started crying during sex acts
on webcam and tried to coerce him into group sex,
(36:39):
and then they started crying and so he punished them.
This is his business that is making five million dollars
a month. One victim claims Tate tried to force her
to have group sex and said shut up horror when
she tried to. There are hundreds and hundreds of pages
(37:03):
of reported testimony and evidence verbally physically abusing these women.
One woman tells prosecutor's Tape would rape her while holding
her head so as she couldn't move, and threaten to
get her pregnant. I mean, it goes on and on
and on. He would take her clothes and shoes away
(37:25):
from her and continue to beat her. Shut up, horror,
you will do as I say. I mean, it goes
on and on and on, and I'm reading you only
portions of what I know. Many of these women, apparently Caitlin,
are promised love a marriage, and then they are transported,
many of them to Romania, where they are gang raped,
(37:49):
sex exploited, and subjected to physical violence. There are hundreds
and hundreds and hundreds of pages of reported violence. One
victim reports a Taate coworker, a Henchman, threatens to quote
break her teeth that she would end up in the morgue.
(38:10):
The women creating porn for Tates Brothers webcam business alleged
their income is controlled by the Tates. They are fined
or punished if they start crying during a sex act,
if they wipe their nose, if they take too long
on a break. It just goes on and on and on.
(38:33):
Many people ask how did Andrew and Tristan Tate get
back into the US. We know that Florida launched a
criminal investigation and to the influencers, I guess you could
call them that. They spew hate for women every day online.
Andrew and Tristan Tate. At the end of February, the
two fled to the US from Romania, where they were
(38:57):
accused of human trafficking and accused of forming an organized
group to sex exploit women. Andrew Tate also accused of rape.
Of course, they deny all the charges. Now, the two
were dual citizens in the UK and the US, and
they have made millions of dollars off social media. Online
(39:20):
they're extremely controversial with repeated offensive statements about women. They
have an American dad who worked for the US Air
Force in Britain. Their parents met in the UK and
then they moved to the US. Now that's how they're
US citizens through the dad. The parents divorced, the mom
(39:43):
goes back to England. The brothers spent time there and
police there linked them to quote terrifying radicalization of boys
and young men into violence against women and girls. There
was a big red fl in Romania that they were
going to try and leave because they went quiet on
(40:03):
social media. They then flew from Bucharest to Florida on
a private jet back in January. Now why why? Why?
The travel band had been lifted and the two got
their US passports back. Oddly, the two have a huge
US following. Many people, many, many people in the crime
(40:28):
victim community are extremely disturbed by reports that US officials
asked for Tate's travel restrictions to be relaxed. Why now.
The Florida criminal investigation is a civil lawsuit from a
(40:49):
woman who claims they coerced her into sex work, then
defamed her when she gave evidence to Romanian police. They
deny this again. At this juncture, the two are innocent
until proven guilty. I guess even the devil can follow
lawsuit because that's exactly what a Tate brother has done.
(41:11):
That's right. Andrew Tate slams TikTok in Zuckerberg's Meta for
one hundred million dollars for kicking him off their platforms.
According to Tate quote, it's good versus evil, so insists
the accused rapist. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye for
Host
Nancy Grace
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