Miranda Corsette's estate files a wrongful-death lawsuit against Grindr, the app through which she met her killer. The estate trying to hold the app responsible for the teen's death after being introduced to a male adult. Grindr argued the dispute should go to arbitration, rather than to a trial. Now a judge has agreed.
A 12-page ruling by U.S. District Judge Tom Barber states that Corsette, in creating the Grindr account, "had agreed to terms and conditions that included arbitration of legal disputes." Barber ruled that when Corsette electronically signed to create her account, an agreement exits that “broadly covers any dispute, claim, or controversy between Corsette and Grinder, agreeing to resolve disputes through arbitration.”
This despite the fact that the 16-year-old was restrained, beaten and tortured for several days. Corsette was suffocated when a pool ball, wrapped in a sock was shoved into her mouth, and then her head and face were wrapped in saran wrap.
The judge said “Corsette agreed to Grindr’s terms of service each of three times she created Grindr accounts.”
Court documents reveal that at least six people knew Steven Gress, 37, and Michelle Brandes, 35, were holding Miranda against her will before she died.
Gress allegedly sent photos of Miranda, visibly bruised, to three people, including his mother. She told police she did not view the images but admitted her son tried to talk to her about Miranda. She said she shut down the conversation, telling him she didn’t want to know.
At least two neighbors reportedly saw Miranda in distress at the home. A woman who lived with Gress and Brandes witnessed a week of torture, the murder, and the clean-up that followed.
The documents also outline a detailed timeline, including a trip to celebrate Brandes’ birthday at a Popeyes restaurant—while Miranda’s dismembered remains allegedly sat in Gress’ trunk.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Dave Horton - Landlord of Gress' home
- Andrea Lewis - Partner at Searcy Law in Pam Beach, Florida, Former Felony Prosecutor at Palm Beach County State Attorney's Office, and President of the Palm Beach County Bar Association,
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author of "Deal Breaker,” and featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Paul Duffy - Senior consultant with Group 9 Security Consulting and Training, Former Deputy and Inspector with the United States Marshals Service
- Anna Sonoda - Child Grooming Expert, Licensed Clinical Social Worker, and Author: “Duck Duck Groom: Understanding How a Child Becomes a Target”
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), and NEW Podcast: "Mayhem in the Morgue" [launching on April 7]; Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Dan Sullivan - Staff Writer, Tampa Bay Times; X @TimesDan, BlueSky: timesdan.bsky.social, Instagram: @timesdansullivan
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's Friday night, and it's time for a Friday Night special.
A gorgeous teen girl, Miranda Corset, kidnapped, tortured, murdered, and
dismembered after meeting a grown man online in the last days,
(00:29):
her family fights back. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
The estate of this little teen girl, Miranda Corset, allegedly
tortured for a week, murdered, and dismembered, is suing the
online app grinder that hooked her up with a grown man.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
This is what happened.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
This little girl actually dies gagging on a pool, bawl
forced into her mouth, her head wrapped mummy style with
kitchen saran wrap. And then after this child's body is dismembered,
(01:17):
the purpse leaving blood and human tissue up on.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
The side of a house. They didn't even.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Take a water hose for's sake to clean off this
child's blood. These two go out to celebrate with Popeyes
and Putt Putt after dismembering her with a chainsaw. We
obtained exclusive video of the codefendants.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Here. He is gress.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
We believe, taking the teen girl's body out to his vehicle,
just sauntering along.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Without a care in the world, not worried if he
would be seen. Nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
He tucks the body into his vehicle, checks everything is
just right, nothing hanging out, slams the trunk with the
child's body in the car, and saunters back in. Little
(02:26):
did he know that he is upstairs residence.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
This is a duplex.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Had her Ring camera going the entire time, and we
got it. It's all caught on a video. This and more.
He's not even worried this, as we learn, he.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And builds the bub the minion from Hell.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Satan's assistant forced a pool ball into this child. His
mouth then wrapped her head mummy style, and Sara ran
rap until she.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Died.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
In the last hours, we obtain more video to determine
what exactly was being said. At one juncture, a neighbor
comes from across the street and we hear her say
the words we hear Gress stating about the little girl.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Quote this punch stole my ring right here, the ate all.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
The food in the kitchen. He's talking about a little girl.
The neighbor says. The girl in the corner h yeah,
what other girl? And the Gress says yeah, he says,
she says, that's her body.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Neighbor says, damn, listen, what is wrong with these people?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I'm going to leave that to a jury.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Thank goodness, I got a shrink. But the shrink is
joining us at about one minute. But first I want
to go to Dan Sullivan joining us right for Tampa
Bay Times at Tampa Bay dot com, who obtained a
lot of this affidavit and search warrant material.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Dan Sullivan, did you just see the video?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The neighbor just saunters over and goes, well, that's her body,
and Gress says yeah, And all she says is damn,
what is wrong with this woman?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I can answer that.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I know that what the police put in the search
warrant was that at least that neighbor and at least
a few other people were aware that this girl was
with him during this week.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You know, it's not clear.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Dan Sullivan, guys renowned writer for the Tampa Bay Times,
states that his examination of court documents we've just obtained
they got it revealed that at least six people knew
the girl was in his words with Gress.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Isn't it true?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Dan Sullivan that based on these court documents, an affidavit,
a sworn affidavit of what the officer, the detective learned,
she wasn't just with him for an outing in the park.
She was being beaten, lying naked in a corner, begging
for help, and everybody knew it. All of these people
(05:45):
knew it, and in my mind, are complicit complicit with it.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I mean, this neighbor sees her naked in the corner, Dan.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I think it seems, based on what's in the f David,
that people didn't know what was going on. It's not
clear if every one of them knew the extent of
what was going on, but it seems, I mean, there
were a few people who received photographs that showed her
(06:18):
in worsening physical condition throughout the week.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And you mean, she's getting beaten more and more and
more lying there naked in the fetal position in the corner.
I'd say that is worsening condition.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
You know, according to what's in the search warrant that
they did receive.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Photos of what was going on.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Like I say, though, I mean, it's not clear if
everyone that saw her knew the extent of what she
was going through. But some of them, you know, it seems,
had reason to believe that there was something, you know,
very wrong happening.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, something called child to be's child to right and murder.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Well, you're right, it is murky.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And you know right now what I'm trying to figure out,
Dan Sullivan, I'm trying to figure out the appropriate charges
for these six ghules because right now they're not charged.
But believe you me, Dan, there is a way. There
is a way. I mean, when you get sent pictures
(07:25):
this technical legal phrase, a hole sent pictures of the
little girl, a little girl, Dan, did you know my
twins just turned seventeen. My daughter weighs about ninety pounds.
She's nothing but lip gloss and eyelashes. This girl's sixteen, sixteen, Dan,
(07:48):
and beaten to a pulp And these people send photos.
The man gress sends photos of the little girl to
various people lying there, beaten, a naked in the corner.
Did you just say, Dan, that the photos got worse.
(08:12):
The photos show her in increasingly worse physical condition, and
he kept photoing her and sending them from his phone.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, that is that is what the police wrote in
the search warrant that you know, the photos showed her
an increasingly worse physical condition. As far as whether you
know anyone else might be charged, I don't know. Our
local state attorney here, Bruce Bartlett, said that they are
that that's a possibility and that they're looking at that.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I don't know if you know they might need any of.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
These people to testify as witnesses and what factor that
might play in.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Absolutely, you're right, man, you're thinking ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You're like five steps ahead of most people, maybe ten,
because these six people. You know, I'm not a betting
person because I've got children put through college. I don't
want to waste my money on the slots. But if
I were a betting person, I would bet that these
six people are either going to be states witnesses or
(09:16):
co defendants.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Mark my words.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
They can all be thrown in the same pot to
stew as far as I'm concerned. Again, they're all presumed innocent.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Dan. Isn't it true?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
The affidavit reveals that the defendants quote searched the girl's
body cavities that means her vagina, her anus, her mouth
for a stolen ring that really hadn't been stolen at all.
(09:46):
Isn't that true they did this to this little girl.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah, there is one part of the affidavit that describes that,
and it does seem, based on what's in the affidavit,
that mister Gress apparently felt very strongly about this ring
and believed that Miranda had taken it, done something with it,
and really wanted to find it.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
There was some information from.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Really wanted to find it up her Anus.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
That's according to the affidavit.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
That is what you know, he's a let show have done.
There was some information from one of the other people
involved that, you know, they believed that he you know,
that Miranda had nothing to do with this ring and
that it was actually the co defendant, Miss Brandis.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Brandis ring all along.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Isn't it true that Brandish that the ring was quote
found suddenly in Gress's car and Brandis insinuated intimated to
the third roommate that she had taken it so Gress
would get angry at the little girl and get rid
of her.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah, there was there was something to that effect in
the search for and this was after.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
The girl, you know, that they had disposed of her body.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
We're spending a lot of time talking about the ring
and Frankly, Dan Sullivan, I don't give a flying fig
about the ring.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
That was just a pretext to beat this child. We're
now learning from.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
The affidavit that you obtained that Gress has a history
of targeting let me just say, troubled women and girls.
We know that Miranda had lost both of her parents.
Suddenly it's a little girl loft boast of her parents
(11:40):
at a young age and moved in with grandma. And
Grandma was so happy that Miranda had a Valentine date date.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
That date is with her.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Alleged killer, Gress, who lured her online. Speaking of the ring,
that was a pretext for abuse, torture and murder. Listen
to what the neighbor who saunters over and sees.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
The girl and does nothing.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
We have managed to enhance the video from the upstair
residence ring cam.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And I want you to hear what she says.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Remember her last words you heard were that's her body, damn.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Listen to this.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Figure out right.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
The neighbor sees what's happening.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
The neighbor sees the little girl balled up in a
corner crying, and you hear Gress say she stole my
ring and neighbor, How the hell are you going to
get her out of here?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Gress?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now.
And the neighbor says, don't kill her. I don't want
to see the police up here. So she doesn't want
them to kill the little girl because she doesn't want
the police around. Wonder why I think I know the affidavit,
does it not? Dan Sullivan refer to the neighbor as
(13:21):
having sold pot to Gress in the past.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
That's correct.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
There is a portion of the affidavit where I believe
that it says that I guess she came over to
exchange in a drug transaction with him.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
We're not sure that this is the same neighbor, but
we do know that this neighbor that actually talks to
Miranda lying there dying, she does not want the police
quote up in here.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Then the neighbor says, where you got the ring, honey?
You could have just given it to him. It's not
over yet.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
There is more from the neighbor, and we've been able
to enhance the video and the sound. Just the nature
of this neighbor. She sees the girl lying there naked,
dying and starts quizzing her about a ring.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Listen, Michel, I don't want to see funny any idea.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
The estate of this little girl Miranda Corsett now suing
after she was allegedly tortured, murdered, and dismembered after meeting
a guy online. Corset allegedly left unrecognizable after she was
beaten for a week and suffocated when a billiard ball
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was shoved into her mouth, her head covered in plastic wrap.
If this is true, these perps are animals. Joining me
is renowned psychoanalyst, author of deal Breaker, and you can
see her now on Peacock Doctor Bethany Marshall. Doctor Bethany,
(15:16):
what is wrong with this woman? She just says to Gress, Okay,
don't kill nobody.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
You're Michelle. I don't want to see the police. I've
been here. That's just so casual, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
This is so painful to hear. Actually, she says, is
that the body? She doesn't say, is that Miranda? Or
is that the little girl or teenager? Why isn't she
in school already? She's dehumanized and dead in the neighbor's mind.
And in terms of this allegend crime. What perpetrators do
is they create something called institutional psychopathology, where they gravitate
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towards one person who has a corruption of conscience, and
that person gravitates towards another, and all of a sudden
they become a little group that has criminality in common,
like a criminal morning coffee clutch. We see this with
child molesters, Nancy, I mean they gravitate towards each other.
Online they pass pictures around and this.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Is Beefhany, Gress, Bethany, Bethany, too many words. Boil it down,
give me the concentrate, hit me.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Birds of a feather flock together. Joining us now is
a special guest.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It's Dave Horton, the landlord at the Gress home, now
believed to be murder scene. Mister Wharton, thank you for
being with us. Oh, no problem, mister Hohrton. On the outside,
your place looks, you know, perfect well, thank you, all manicured,
painted the works. But on the inside it turns into
(16:50):
a house of horrors for this little sixteen year old girl. Now,
you just evicted Gress in the last hours. Explain to
me what you discovered inside the murder scene.
Speaker 8 (17:05):
Oh, I couldn't believe it. You know, the place was
we had the inside fixed up just as nice. I
spent a lot of time and money over there, and
it was just unbelievable, the kitchen, the damage that was
in the kitchen and her bedroom. You know, I had
to a victim because there was rabbit feces everywhere in
(17:28):
her room, all over the place. And we cleaned that up,
you know, yesterday, And we really got into a corner
there and opened up a box and we've seen a
bunch of broken crystal meth pipes, a bunch of lighters
and the little bag of mathway threw that in the
bottom of the garbage took it out and the garbage
man took that away yesterday. It was just unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You know, you evicted the residents.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
Why the eviction was due to non payment of rent.
I wanted to get him out of there, and you know, honestly,
I started to evict him several years ago on a
termination when he shot the window out of my kitchen
with the baby gun. He had a baby hole in there,
and I says, look, we don't put up with this
kind of stuff around here, you know. And I spent
three hundred dollars with a lawyer, and they went out
(18:17):
and served him, and you know, he ended up showing
up at my house. And I don't know now if
it was he was threatening me or if he was
just trying to plead, like you know, he would put
on the nice guy face, you know, and oh I'll
do anything. Oh my god, I'm so sorry I did
that and I'll behave it will never happen again. Well
it you know what happened again?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You know, you know Dave Horton, he just says something
I find very very probative because many people, and myself included,
wonder what attracted these women to this curve because he
could put on, as you said, the nice guy face.
Speaker 8 (18:56):
Yes he could, and I think he did that with
the police too. You know, they came out, oh no need,
no need to go inside the apartment. That was the
friday before.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
When you went in the home to clean it out
for the eviction. Did you see any evidence that a
teen girl had been held hostage there and murdered, only
later to be dismembered.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
No, there was no evidence whatsoever there really, you know,
the place was just a complete just like a bomb
went off in there. You know, you didn't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
You know, we say, look like a bomb went off.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Are you referring to the fingerprint dust, the fingerprint powder
all over the walls or something else.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
They went in there on the Friday after. I just
I almost gave up on the place because the police
was out there on a Friday and they wouldn't do anything.
And Gypsy says, well, they came out and they didn't
go inside. Well, obviously she heard something in there. That's
why she called the police. You know.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I understand that the mother came by and the only
thing she cared about was the pair.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Yeah. Now, And I ended up ringing to him was
through a friend of mine and he had called me
originally years ago and said, oh, you know, he knew
Steve's mother and apparently he kind of helps Steve's mother.
He likes Steve's mom and they hang out whatever. And
he had called me and he says, Dave, is the
(20:22):
parrot still over there at the house? And I knew
it was at the animal control And I says, no, no,
it's still there at the house. And she goes through.
It was a three thousand dollars parrot. I'm thinking I've
got about five six thousand dollars in damages. We got
a dead sixteen year old girl, and all you're worried
about is the damn bird the mother. So when the
mother came out.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Brother preach it. She's all upset. I got the bird
and the girl.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I know, I know, a.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Days in a heap in the corner, naked, Bruce. Did
you know that, according to witnesses, you're resident, you're ten.
It would take pictures of the little girl like lying there,
all bruised and send them to people. And as he
(21:07):
continued to send them to people, mister Horton, every time
there would be more bruises, and she would look worse
and worse and worse. And nobody did believe this thing.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
I can't believe this man, I can't believe. And I
heard he sent pictures to the mother too. No, yeah,
so I had the police detectives greet his mother when
they when she came out there, she thought she was
getting the bird, but she got to talk to them,
and that's when she found out about the murder and
everything else. She didn't even know about it, you know,
until then when she drove out there.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Well, wait a minute, she got the pictures of the
little girl naked, beat up in the corner, and she
didn't know anything was going on.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
That's what I was told was on the news yesterday.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Well, somebody lied to you, man, they did.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well. Yeah, she's getting pictures of the little girl. Miranda
just turned sixteen. We're showing pictures of her as a
little girl right now, curled up in a ball in
the fetal position of the corner. Picture after picture after picture,
and every time there'll be more bruises and more beatings
on the girl. And so she cannot with a straight
face state, hey, I didn't know anything.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Where's my parent?
Speaker 8 (22:13):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Unbelievable, you know what, I bet a jury's going to
believe it. The civil suit alleges that the perps savagely
beat Miranda, targeting her body with quote such ferocity she
was left battered, swollen, and unrecognizable. They also claim the
victim's life was brutally extinguished when, at the grinder user's direction,
(22:40):
a poolball wrapped in a sock was shoved.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
In her mouth. Oh my stars, how did everything go
so wrong? Popeye's put putt and a chainsaw? You know
when I graduated, Laura you from law school.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I never thought that I put those three ideas in
one sentence, much less a pool ball too. An Sonoda
joining me, child of sex Abes, grooming expert, social worker,
author of Duck Duck Groom. The backdrop of what we're
(23:20):
talking about right now is that the grandma was so
happy that Miranda was going to have a Valentine's date.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
With gris.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
A devil from hell.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
What's your message?
Speaker 9 (23:39):
I want every parent listening to know that children are
actually following our lead. They're using dating apps. The average
thirteen to seventeen year old eleven percent of those kids
in that age group are on dating apps. We're talking Tender, Okaycupid, Match,
dot Com, Bumble, and we have to throw in Instagram
(24:02):
because children are using Instagram as a dating tool and
every parent, my tip is pay attention to all online activity,
discuss the risk factors of meeting people online. And we
need better more robust age verifications. Just like miners are
misrepresenting put ourselves, so are adults. You really think.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
A minor a child is What do you mean by
more robust age of verifications?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
If they want to get on Tender or Grinder they're
going to do You really think a child that wants
to get out a dating app is going to.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Go better not lie.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
They're not check that box, of course, they're going to
check the box that they're twenty one or older.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
You're absolutely right, Nancy.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
What we've done is we've modeled to children that it's
perfectly acceptable to use dating apps to meet people, and
as a result, the world is open to them. Predators
know this, and they are the ones who are winning.
They have a direct path to access miners. Children who
are vulnerable, children who want affection, want attention, are seeking love.
(25:13):
This poor young child.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, hold on, you know, I agree with everything you're saying,
Anna Sonoda, except I don't know that there's so much
seeking love as an adult would describe it. But I
think they're seeking acceptance that they may not be getting
at school or in their world. And they're seeking friends.
I mean, look at Miranda. She was fifteen at the
(25:39):
get go, this little girl right there with her little critter.
Both parents die suddenly, she's now living with Grandma. She
wants that dream she sees on TV with the boyfriend
taking her out and having fun going places.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
This is what she got.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Anna, she got one of these crammed into her mouth
and her head wrapped in cell aphane, which I'm about
to get to. So I don't know if more robust
age verifications are going to help anything. I think it's
more on the parents to stop it. But this grandma, IY,
what did she know? She probably doesn't even know what
(26:23):
Google is.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
For Pete's sake, I want to go quickly to Dan Sullivan.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Dan, we're learning so much from the documents. As a
matter of fact, listen.
Speaker 10 (26:32):
Court documents show that at least six people knew Stephen
Gress and Michelle Brandis were holding sixteen year old Miranda
Corsette against her will and beating her. Gres allegedly sent
photos of Miranda covered in bruises to three people, including
his mother. Gres's mom denies viewing the photos, but amidst
the police that her son tried to tell her about Miranda,
(26:52):
she shut down the conversation, telling her son that she
didn't want to know. At least two neighbors also saw
Miranda in distress the home, and finally, a woman living
with Grest and Branda stood witness to a week of torture,
Miranda's murder, and the cleanup.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Isn't it true based on the documents that you obtained
Tampa Bay Times that after the child was murdered transported
in the trunk, we see them all packing the car
like they're going on for a weekend in the country.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
They go where, Dan Sullivan.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Well, according to what's in the search Warren Fi David,
they went Putt putt golfing and to Pope Is to
eat fried chicken. The affidavit states that I guess they
went there because it was Brandis's birthday that day.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
But then whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa white white repeat they said.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
The affidavit states that it was Brandis's birthday, so they
went to eat fried chicken at Popeye's and Putt putt golfing.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Joining me right now is Paul Duffy, senior consultant with
Group nine Security consult and Training, former Deputy inspector with
the US Marshall Service. You can find him at Group
nine dot US. Paul, thank you for being with us.
A quick question regarding the evidence in his case. The
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photos are going to be damning. They're going to have
to be obtained off of.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Cell phones or from the cloud.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
But Dan Sullivan has just described these ghules from Hell
taking the little girl. And Dan, did they go out
for Popeyes and pup Putt before or after the dismemberment
of this child?
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Yeah, the way the after David has written it sounds
like it was after they had dismembered the girl's remains
that they went golfing.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
And to Popeyes, Okay, Paul Duffy Popeyes, and I believe
it was Congo River, Correct me if I'm wrong, anybody
on the panel.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Congo River put Putt, Popeye's and put Putt.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Is going to be a treasure trove of evidence because
it's my belief that they go, they dismember the body,
and Brandis's mother's house and the mother.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
And the granny nanny are in there and they can
hear a chainsaw outside. What do they think is happening?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Human tissue and blood is found on the side of
Michelle Brandis's codefendant mother's house.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
They didn't even take a garden hose to like clean
off the site. They just left the little girl's blood
on the side of the house.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
But after they dismember her, and correct me again if
I'm wrong, Dan Sulimon, they put her dismembered remains back
in the car, and to celebrate Brandis's birthday, he wanted
to make her feel special. They go to Putt Putt
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and Popeye's. Now, Paul, this is what I would like
to show a jury. I would like to show video
surveillance of these devils from hell playing putt put How
many rounds did they play? Did they keep score or
they're like, whoa, I got a hole in one? And
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then I'd like to find out from the drive through
or did they eat inside.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I'd like to.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
See the video of them eating a fried chicken while
this girl chopped up is in the car. What do
they talk about at lunch? Did they talk about where
we're gonna dump the body? It's just I want to
see the video.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
What about it? Paul Duffy, That.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Video would be compelling in court, Nancy. It would be
in a picture that they were remorseless and depraved and
add to the indications that this is perhaps not Steve's
first rodeo.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Speaking of the evidence, speaking of that video, I pray
to heaven, Paul Duffy, and I learned this the hard
way in the Chandra Levy case where Chandra Levy, you
remember the DC intern that was murdered.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
The high rise where she lived.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
In DC would restart and tape over surveillance video like
every seventy two hours. And I could have learned a
lot if I had known when she left her apartment
for the last time. Was she dressed up to go out?
Was she she was going jogging? Was she with anybody?
Could I see her go out and get in a
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cab and I can find that cab, and I can
find where she went from that cab driver. You know,
every cab is identified with a number. But no, they
reacted it every seventy two hours, so all that evidence
was lost. I pray to Heaven that Popeyes and Congo
River putt put doesn't do the same thing. Is there
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any chance they would store that in the cloud even
if they you know, tape over.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
All, security systems aren't equal, Nancy. It all depends on
what the business invested in their security system.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
The civil suit goes on to claim, quote, this final
act of violence, suffocating a defenseless minor child, already broken
by days of torture, was the culmination of a week
long torture set in motion by grinders dangerous sex hookup
app that ensneered the child into a deadly trap. Wow,
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Paul Duffy, you and I can explore the ins and outs,
the intricacy of saving digital data on the cell phones,
the nav system in the car. And I think there
was one toll roads. Florida is full of toll roads
where I'll get video of them just driving happily along,
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going on their merry way with the.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Child's dead body in the trunk. I want it all.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I want license grabbers showing their route to Brandi's mother's house.
I want to find out if there's video surveillance video
at the mother's house. Is there stop like camra, Is
there anything that I could show this jury to corroborate testimony.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I want all that digital data, every bit of it.
But what is very.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Powerful is the ring camera from the upstairs residence home.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
And I would have this neighbor.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
On the hot seat explaining to her what accessory after
the fact means.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And this is why listen, that's.
Speaker 10 (34:11):
The neighbor, says.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Miranda.
Speaker 10 (34:12):
Stayed at the home for several days with no issues
until Gres woke up to find he's missing a ring
given to him by a friend. She says, Gres accused
Miranda of stealing it and flew into a rage when
she only trembled in fear at his accusation. After two
days of brutal beatings, Brandis sneakily shows her roommate that
she has the ring, hiding it from Gres. The woman
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believes Brandas took the ring to provoke Gres into hurting Miranda.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Okay, so the female roommate turned murder code defendant Brandis
Michelle Brandis had the ring all along. Okay to Dan Sullivan,
isn't it true, Dan joining us from Tampa Bay Times,
who's cracked this case wide open? Isn't it true that
Gres says it was Brandis after he shoved the pool
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ball in the little girl's mouth as she's tied up naked.
I guess on a chair that Brandis wrapped her head
is sarane rap and he said, don't come, I don't
cover her nose. But she did cover her nose, and
that Gress says he rushed over punch holes in it
so she could breathe, but she was already dead. Isn't
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that in the affidavit?
Speaker 8 (35:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
According to the other witness, she said that Brandis actually
put the pool ball in Miranda's mouth and then.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Was wrapping her head in saran wrap.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
And there was some discussion about, you know, Gress saying
that he wanted to put holes or not to cover
her nose and wanted to put holes in the in
the wrap so she could breathe, but couldn't get to
her quick enough.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
You know, it's there. There was there was.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Some So let me understand something. Angel Lewis joining me,
veteran trial lawyer, a partner at Sircey Law firm, Palm Beach,
former felony prosecutor, Andrea, You're not a prosecutor anymore. You're
on the other side. So let me understand. Is gres
gonna summon. They're all doing this. They're all pointing the
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finger at each other. And we've got more video to
show you of that. But angel Lewis, I see Grass
swooping in with a she done it, and I tried
to save her. I tried to punch holes into saran wrap.
Why did you let saran rap get wrapped out her head.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
To start with?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
So what is he going to try to blame Brandis?
And Brandis is going to blame him and the roommate's like,
I had nothing to do with.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
This, Nancy.
Speaker 11 (36:45):
I am sure that that's what they're going to try
to do. But here's the problem with that. Right, we
have this man that went online and actually found this child,
enticed her into coming over to his home for fair
any we know what he had nefarious motives. We know
that they were sexually motivated. He's the one who brought
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her over there. This is his house of horrors that
we know that there were crimes being committed inside there.
This man is evil at his core, and it's going
to be very difficult, if not impossible, for him to
direct all of the guilt here onto his co defendant. Now,
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he is not going to be able to escape unfazed
here in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
So, Andrea, what would the defense be, Well.
Speaker 11 (37:35):
The defense in this case has got to be it
wasn't me, it was my co defendant.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
It was somebody else.
Speaker 11 (37:43):
And I think what they're going to try to do
here is that when we know that the death penalty
is going to be on the table.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
As it should be.
Speaker 12 (37:52):
So I think, what, given all of the evidence in
this case and the video, it's going to be overwhelming.
Their best bet is going to try to be just
to plea this case out to something less.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Okay, Yeah, Well, if the DP is on the table,
I don't see a plea happening. And in addition, I imagine
either the first or the last witness. If I was
trying the case, it would probably be the first witness,
although that would be going out of chronological order, which a.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Jury really likes. Doctor Kendall Crowns, I think the jury.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Needs to know at the get go the COEOD cause
of death of this little girl. Doctor Kendall Crowns is
a renowned medical examiner joining us out of Terrent County.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
That's Fort Worth, Texas.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
He is launching a new podcast in a week April
at fourteen Mayhem and the Morgue. He is an esteemed
lecturer at Burnett's School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crowns,
What would be after all of this? What would be
the cood? Could it be the beatings? Is there internal bleeding?
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Is she bled out on the inside? Did she die
of asphyxiation when the poolball gag in her mouth? Or
was it the saranne wrap taken right out of the
kitchen drawer and wrapped around this child's head.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Well, how do I determine.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
With all of that happening to this little girl, Miranda,
what is the cod plus she was dismembered.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
We don't have a body, But in your expertise, doctor Crown's,
what would be the cood.
Speaker 13 (39:34):
Based on all the information we have that she's beaten,
she's gagged, saran wrap put around her face. To me,
it would be more likely than not a suffocation with
the gag being put in her mouth, when the saran
wrap covering her head, she wouldn't be able to get
oxygen in and she would basically suffocate from lack of oxygen. Now,
was the beatings bad enough? You have a progression of
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the beatings seen in the pictures of her having multiple
bruises was over time. So I don't think the beatings
were actually bad enough to have killed her. I think
that was more of a torture method, and their final
thing that killed her was actually shoving the pool ball
in her mouth and putting saran wrap over her head.
So I feel cause of death would be asphyxiation or suffocation.
Manner of death homicide.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Dan Sullivan, It's a no body case. We don't have
a body. The body has very likely been incinerated, so
that's a problem. But I don't believe the definitcyted gold
Star in a plus because they managed to get rid
of the body. What do you foresee happening? Do you
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believe the six ghules that knew this child was being
tortured and killed and sat by and they actually heard
the chainsaw outside as his child was being dismembered and
nobody did a thing nothing? Do you expect charges of
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accessory act.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Of the fact.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
It's hard for me to answer that, not being a lawyer.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
I think there is a possibility, and our local state
attorney has said that, you know, they're looking at, you know,
whether anybody else could face charges.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
But again, you know, it's.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Also possible that they will need these people as witnesses,
so that could influence, you know, any decision about other charges.
It's also unclear, you know, at least with the the
upstairs neighbor, the one who had the surveillance video, if she,
you know, was aware of what was going on. It
doesn't seem like she was, but it definitely seems like
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there were there were other people who were aware that
Miranda was in trouble right.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I agree the upstairs neighbor was very, very cooperative and
very distraught when we spoke to her, and she gave
us all of that video.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Guys, what more do we know, Nacy?
Speaker 6 (41:56):
We've learned that a federal judge has sided with Grinder
that the law suit should go to arbitration. A twelve
page ruling by US District Judge Tom Barber states that
Miranda Corset, in creating the Grinder account, had agreed to
terms and conditions that included arbitration of legal disputes. Barbara
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ruled that when Corset electronically signed to create her account,
an agreement exists that broadly covers any dispute claim or
controversy between Corset and Grinder, agreeing to resolve disputes through arbitration.
This despite the fact that the sixteen year old was restrained, beaten,
and tortured for several days. Corsett was suffocated when a
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pool ball wrapped in a sock was shoved into her
mouth and then her head and face wrapped in saran wraps,
suffocating her. The judge said, quote Corset agreed to Grinder's
terms of service, which includes an arbitration each of the
three times she created grinder accounts. The estate's attorney objected,
raising a series of arguments, including pointing out the victim
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was a minor, but Barbara rejected that argument, saying a
failure to comprehend or negotiate arbitration or unequal bargaining power
does not justify a repeated refusal to read an agreement
and should not negate the enforceability of an arbitration agreement.
Both parties are required by the judge's order to notify
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the court of the arbitration proceedings within fourteen days.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
As the alleged killers head to trial, We wait as
justice un false.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Goodbye for
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's Friday night, and it's time for a Friday Night special.
A gorgeous teen girl, Miranda Corset, kidnapped, tortured, murdered, and
dismembered after meeting a grown man online in the last days,
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her family fights back. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
The estate of this little teen girl, Miranda Corset, allegedly
tortured for a week, murdered, and dismembered, is suing the
online app grinder that hooked her up with a grown man.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
This is what happened.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
This little girl actually dies gagging on a pool, bawl
forced into her mouth, her head wrapped mummy style with
kitchen saran wrap. And then after this child's body is dismembered,
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the purpse leaving blood and human tissue up on.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
The side of a house. They didn't even.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Take a water hose for's sake to clean off this
child's blood. These two go out to celebrate with Popeyes
and Putt Putt after dismembering her with a chainsaw. We
obtained exclusive video of the codefendants.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Here. He is gress.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
We believe, taking the teen girl's body out to his vehicle,
just sauntering along.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Without a care in the world, not worried if he
would be seen. Nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
He tucks the body into his vehicle, checks everything is
just right, nothing hanging out, slams the trunk with the
child's body in the car, and saunters back in. Little
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did he know that he is upstairs residence.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
This is a duplex.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Had her Ring camera going the entire time, and we
got it. It's all caught on a video. This and more.
He's not even worried this, as we learn, he.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
And builds the bub the minion from Hell.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Satan's assistant forced a pool ball into this child. His
mouth then wrapped her head mummy style, and Sara ran
rap until she.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Died.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
In the last hours, we obtain more video to determine
what exactly was being said. At one juncture, a neighbor
comes from across the street and we hear her say
the words we hear Gress stating about the little girl.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Quote this punch stole my ring right here, the ate all.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
The food in the kitchen. He's talking about a little girl.
The neighbor says. The girl in the corner h yeah,
what other girl? And the Gress says yeah, he says,
she says, that's her body.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Neighbor says, damn, listen, what is wrong with these people?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I'm going to leave that to a jury.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Thank goodness, I got a shrink. But the shrink is
joining us at about one minute. But first I want
to go to Dan Sullivan joining us right for Tampa
Bay Times at Tampa Bay dot com, who obtained a
lot of this affidavit and search warrant material.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Dan Sullivan, did you just see the video?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
The neighbor just saunters over and goes, well, that's her body,
and Gress says yeah, And all she says is damn,
what is wrong with this woman?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I can answer that.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I know that what the police put in the search
warrant was that at least that neighbor and at least
a few other people were aware that this girl was
with him during this week.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You know, it's not clear.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Dan Sullivan, guys renowned writer for the Tampa Bay Times,
states that his examination of court documents we've just obtained
they got it revealed that at least six people knew
the girl was in his words with Gress.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Isn't it true?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Dan Sullivan that based on these court documents, an affidavit,
a sworn affidavit of what the officer, the detective learned,
she wasn't just with him for an outing in the park.
She was being beaten, lying naked in a corner, begging
for help, and everybody knew it. All of these people
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knew it, and in my mind, are complicit complicit with it.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I mean, this neighbor sees her naked in the corner, Dan.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I think it seems, based on what's in the f David,
that people didn't know what was going on. It's not
clear if every one of them knew the extent of
what was going on, but it seems, I mean, there
were a few people who received photographs that showed her
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in worsening physical condition throughout the week.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And you mean, she's getting beaten more and more and
more lying there naked in the fetal position in the corner.
I'd say that is worsening condition.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
You know, according to what's in the search warrant that
they did receive.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Photos of what was going on.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Like I say, though, I mean, it's not clear if
everyone that saw her knew the extent of what she
was going through. But some of them, you know, it seems,
had reason to believe that there was something, you know,
very wrong happening.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, something called child to be's child to right and murder.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Well, you're right, it is murky.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
And you know right now what I'm trying to figure out,
Dan Sullivan, I'm trying to figure out the appropriate charges
for these six ghules because right now they're not charged.
But believe you me, Dan, there is a way. There
is a way. I mean, when you get sent pictures
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this technical legal phrase, a hole sent pictures of the
little girl, a little girl, Dan, did you know my
twins just turned seventeen. My daughter weighs about ninety pounds.
She's nothing but lip gloss and eyelashes. This girl's sixteen, sixteen, Dan,
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and beaten to a pulp And these people send photos.
The man gress sends photos of the little girl to
various people lying there, beaten, a naked in the corner.
Did you just say, Dan, that the photos got worse.
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The photos show her in increasingly worse physical condition, and
he kept photoing her and sending them from his phone.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, that is that is what the police wrote in
the search warrant that you know, the photos showed her
an increasingly worse physical condition. As far as whether you
know anyone else might be charged, I don't know. Our
local state attorney here, Bruce Bartlett, said that they are
that that's a possibility and that they're looking at that.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I don't know if you know they might need any of.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
These people to testify as witnesses and what factor that
might play in.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Absolutely, you're right, man, you're thinking ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You're like five steps ahead of most people, maybe ten,
because these six people. You know, I'm not a betting
person because I've got children put through college. I don't
want to waste my money on the slots. But if
I were a betting person, I would bet that these
six people are either going to be states witnesses or
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co defendants.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Mark my words.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
They can all be thrown in the same pot to
stew as far as I'm concerned. Again, they're all presumed innocent.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Dan. Isn't it true?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
The affidavit reveals that the defendants quote searched the girl's
body cavities that means her vagina, her anus, her mouth
for a stolen ring that really hadn't been stolen at all.
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Isn't that true they did this to this little girl.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah, there is one part of the affidavit that describes that,
and it does seem, based on what's in the affidavit,
that mister Gress apparently felt very strongly about this ring
and believed that Miranda had taken it, done something with it,
and really wanted to find it.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
There was some information from.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Really wanted to find it up her Anus.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
That's according to the affidavit.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
That is what you know, he's a let show have done.
There was some information from one of the other people
involved that, you know, they believed that he you know,
that Miranda had nothing to do with this ring and
that it was actually the co defendant, Miss Brandis.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Brandis ring all along.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Isn't it true that Brandish that the ring was quote
found suddenly in Gress's car and Brandis insinuated intimated to
the third roommate that she had taken it so Gress
would get angry at the little girl and get rid
of her.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Yeah, there was there was something to that effect in
the search for and this was after.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
The girl, you know, that they had disposed of her body.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
We're spending a lot of time talking about the ring
and Frankly, Dan Sullivan, I don't give a flying fig
about the ring.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
That was just a pretext to beat this child. We're
now learning from.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
The affidavit that you obtained that Gress has a history
of targeting let me just say, troubled women and girls.
We know that Miranda had lost both of her parents.
Suddenly it's a little girl loft boast of her parents
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at a young age and moved in with grandma. And
Grandma was so happy that Miranda had a Valentine date date.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
That date is with her.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Alleged killer, Gress, who lured her online. Speaking of the ring,
that was a pretext for abuse, torture and murder. Listen
to what the neighbor who saunters over and sees.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
The girl and does nothing.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
We have managed to enhance the video from the upstair
residence ring cam.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
And I want you to hear what she says.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Remember her last words you heard were that's her body, damn.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Listen to this.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Figure out right.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
The neighbor sees what's happening.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
The neighbor sees the little girl balled up in a
corner crying, and you hear Gress say she stole my
ring and neighbor, How the hell are you going to
get her out of here?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Gress?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now.
And the neighbor says, don't kill her. I don't want
to see the police up here. So she doesn't want
them to kill the little girl because she doesn't want
the police around. Wonder why I think I know the affidavit,
does it not? Dan Sullivan refer to the neighbor as
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having sold pot to Gress in the past.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
That's correct.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
There is a portion of the affidavit where I believe
that it says that I guess she came over to
exchange in a drug transaction with him.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
We're not sure that this is the same neighbor, but
we do know that this neighbor that actually talks to
Miranda lying there dying, she does not want the police
quote up in here.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Then the neighbor says, where you got the ring, honey?
You could have just given it to him. It's not
over yet.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
There is more from the neighbor, and we've been able
to enhance the video and the sound. Just the nature
of this neighbor. She sees the girl lying there naked,
dying and starts quizzing her about a ring.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Listen, Michel, I don't want to see funny any idea.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
The estate of this little girl Miranda Corsett now suing
after she was allegedly tortured, murdered, and dismembered after meeting
a guy online. Corset allegedly left unrecognizable after she was
beaten for a week and suffocated when a billiard ball
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was shoved into her mouth, her head covered in plastic wrap.
If this is true, these perps are animals. Joining me
is renowned psychoanalyst, author of deal Breaker, and you can
see her now on Peacock Doctor Bethany Marshall. Doctor Bethany,
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what is wrong with this woman? She just says to Gress, Okay,
don't kill nobody.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
You're Michelle. I don't want to see the police. I've
been here. That's just so casual, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
This is so painful to hear. Actually, she says, is
that the body? She doesn't say, is that Miranda? Or
is that the little girl or teenager? Why isn't she
in school already? She's dehumanized and dead in the neighbor's mind.
And in terms of this allegend crime. What perpetrators do
is they create something called institutional psychopathology, where they gravitate
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towards one person who has a corruption of conscience, and
that person gravitates towards another, and all of a sudden
they become a little group that has criminality in common,
like a criminal morning coffee clutch. We see this with
child molesters, Nancy, I mean they gravitate towards each other.
Online they pass pictures around and this.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Is Beefhany, Gress, Bethany, Bethany, too many words. Boil it down,
give me the concentrate, hit me.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Birds of a feather flock together. Joining us now is
a special guest.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It's Dave Horton, the landlord at the Gress home, now
believed to be murder scene. Mister Wharton, thank you for
being with us. Oh, no problem, mister Hohrton. On the outside,
your place looks, you know, perfect well, thank you, all manicured,
painted the works. But on the inside it turns into
(16:50):
a house of horrors for this little sixteen year old girl. Now,
you just evicted Gress in the last hours. Explain to
me what you discovered inside the murder scene.
Speaker 8 (17:05):
Oh, I couldn't believe it. You know, the place was
we had the inside fixed up just as nice. I
spent a lot of time and money over there, and
it was just unbelievable, the kitchen, the damage that was
in the kitchen and her bedroom. You know, I had
to a victim because there was rabbit feces everywhere in
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her room, all over the place. And we cleaned that up,
you know, yesterday, And we really got into a corner
there and opened up a box and we've seen a
bunch of broken crystal meth pipes, a bunch of lighters
and the little bag of mathway threw that in the
bottom of the garbage took it out and the garbage
man took that away yesterday. It was just unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You know, you evicted the residents.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
Why the eviction was due to non payment of rent.
I wanted to get him out of there, and you know, honestly,
I started to evict him several years ago on a
termination when he shot the window out of my kitchen
with the baby gun. He had a baby hole in there,
and I says, look, we don't put up with this
kind of stuff around here, you know. And I spent
three hundred dollars with a lawyer, and they went out
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and served him, and you know, he ended up showing
up at my house. And I don't know now if
it was he was threatening me or if he was
just trying to plead, like you know, he would put
on the nice guy face, you know, and oh I'll
do anything. Oh my god, I'm so sorry I did
that and I'll behave it will never happen again. Well
it you know what happened again?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You know, you know Dave Horton, he just says something
I find very very probative because many people, and myself included,
wonder what attracted these women to this curve because he
could put on, as you said, the nice guy face.
Speaker 8 (18:56):
Yes he could, and I think he did that with
the police too. You know, they came out, oh no need,
no need to go inside the apartment. That was the
friday before.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
When you went in the home to clean it out
for the eviction. Did you see any evidence that a
teen girl had been held hostage there and murdered, only
later to be dismembered.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
No, there was no evidence whatsoever there really, you know,
the place was just a complete just like a bomb
went off in there. You know, you didn't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
You know, we say, look like a bomb went off.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Are you referring to the fingerprint dust, the fingerprint powder
all over the walls or something else.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
They went in there on the Friday after. I just
I almost gave up on the place because the police
was out there on a Friday and they wouldn't do anything.
And Gypsy says, well, they came out and they didn't
go inside. Well, obviously she heard something in there. That's
why she called the police. You know.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I understand that the mother came by and the only
thing she cared about was the pair.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Yeah. Now, And I ended up ringing to him was
through a friend of mine and he had called me
originally years ago and said, oh, you know, he knew
Steve's mother and apparently he kind of helps Steve's mother.
He likes Steve's mom and they hang out whatever. And
he had called me and he says, Dave, is the
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parrot still over there at the house? And I knew
it was at the animal control And I says, no, no,
it's still there at the house. And she goes through.
It was a three thousand dollars parrot. I'm thinking I've
got about five six thousand dollars in damages. We got
a dead sixteen year old girl, and all you're worried
about is the damn bird the mother. So when the
mother came out.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Brother preach it. She's all upset. I got the bird
and the girl.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I know, I know, a.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Days in a heap in the corner, naked, Bruce. Did
you know that, according to witnesses, you're resident, you're ten.
It would take pictures of the little girl like lying there,
all bruised and send them to people. And as he
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continued to send them to people, mister Horton, every time
there would be more bruises, and she would look worse
and worse and worse. And nobody did believe this thing.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
I can't believe this man, I can't believe. And I
heard he sent pictures to the mother too. No, yeah,
so I had the police detectives greet his mother when
they when she came out there, she thought she was
getting the bird, but she got to talk to them,
and that's when she found out about the murder and
everything else. She didn't even know about it, you know,
until then when she drove out there.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Well, wait a minute, she got the pictures of the
little girl naked, beat up in the corner, and she
didn't know anything was going on.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
That's what I was told was on the news yesterday.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Well, somebody lied to you, man, they did.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well. Yeah, she's getting pictures of the little girl. Miranda
just turned sixteen. We're showing pictures of her as a
little girl right now, curled up in a ball in
the fetal position of the corner. Picture after picture after picture,
and every time there'll be more bruises and more beatings
on the girl. And so she cannot with a straight
face state, hey, I didn't know anything.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Where's my parent?
Speaker 8 (22:13):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Unbelievable, you know what, I bet a jury's going to
believe it. The civil suit alleges that the perps savagely
beat Miranda, targeting her body with quote such ferocity she
was left battered, swollen, and unrecognizable. They also claim the
victim's life was brutally extinguished when, at the grinder user's direction,
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a poolball wrapped in a sock was shoved.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
In her mouth. Oh my stars, how did everything go
so wrong? Popeye's put putt and a chainsaw? You know
when I graduated, Laura you from law school.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I never thought that I put those three ideas in
one sentence, much less a pool ball too. An Sonoda
joining me, child of sex Abes, grooming expert, social worker,
author of Duck Duck Groom. The backdrop of what we're
(23:20):
talking about right now is that the grandma was so
happy that Miranda was going to have a Valentine's date.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
With gris.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
A devil from hell.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
What's your message?
Speaker 9 (23:39):
I want every parent listening to know that children are
actually following our lead. They're using dating apps. The average
thirteen to seventeen year old eleven percent of those kids
in that age group are on dating apps. We're talking Tender, Okaycupid, Match,
dot Com, Bumble, and we have to throw in Instagram
(24:02):
because children are using Instagram as a dating tool and
every parent, my tip is pay attention to all online activity,
discuss the risk factors of meeting people online. And we
need better more robust age verifications. Just like miners are
misrepresenting put ourselves, so are adults. You really think.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
A minor a child is What do you mean by
more robust age of verifications?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
If they want to get on Tender or Grinder they're
going to do You really think a child that wants
to get out a dating app is going to.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Go better not lie.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
They're not check that box, of course, they're going to
check the box that they're twenty one or older.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
You're absolutely right, Nancy.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
What we've done is we've modeled to children that it's
perfectly acceptable to use dating apps to meet people, and
as a result, the world is open to them. Predators
know this, and they are the ones who are winning.
They have a direct path to access miners. Children who
are vulnerable, children who want affection, want attention, are seeking love.
(25:13):
This poor young child.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Well, hold on, you know, I agree with everything you're saying,
Anna Sonoda, except I don't know that there's so much
seeking love as an adult would describe it. But I
think they're seeking acceptance that they may not be getting
at school or in their world. And they're seeking friends.
I mean, look at Miranda. She was fifteen at the
(25:39):
get go, this little girl right there with her little critter.
Both parents die suddenly, she's now living with Grandma. She
wants that dream she sees on TV with the boyfriend
taking her out and having fun going places.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
This is what she got.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Anna, she got one of these crammed into her mouth
and her head wrapped in cell aphane, which I'm about
to get to. So I don't know if more robust
age verifications are going to help anything. I think it's
more on the parents to stop it. But this grandma, IY,
what did she know? She probably doesn't even know what
(26:23):
Google is.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
For Pete's sake, I want to go quickly to Dan Sullivan.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Dan, we're learning so much from the documents. As a
matter of fact, listen.
Speaker 10 (26:32):
Court documents show that at least six people knew Stephen
Gress and Michelle Brandis were holding sixteen year old Miranda
Corsette against her will and beating her. Gres allegedly sent
photos of Miranda covered in bruises to three people, including
his mother. Gres's mom denies viewing the photos, but amidst
the police that her son tried to tell her about Miranda,
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she shut down the conversation, telling her son that she
didn't want to know. At least two neighbors also saw
Miranda in distress the home, and finally, a woman living
with Grest and Branda stood witness to a week of torture,
Miranda's murder, and the cleanup.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Isn't it true based on the documents that you obtained
Tampa Bay Times that after the child was murdered transported
in the trunk, we see them all packing the car
like they're going on for a weekend in the country.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
They go where, Dan Sullivan.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Well, according to what's in the search Warren Fi David,
they went Putt putt golfing and to Pope Is to
eat fried chicken. The affidavit states that I guess they
went there because it was Brandis's birthday that day.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
But then whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa white white repeat they said.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
The affidavit states that it was Brandis's birthday, so they
went to eat fried chicken at Popeye's and Putt putt golfing.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Joining me right now is Paul Duffy, senior consultant with
Group nine Security consult and Training, former Deputy inspector with
the US Marshall Service. You can find him at Group
nine dot US. Paul, thank you for being with us.
A quick question regarding the evidence in his case. The
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photos are going to be damning. They're going to have
to be obtained off of.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Cell phones or from the cloud.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
But Dan Sullivan has just described these ghules from Hell
taking the little girl. And Dan, did they go out
for Popeyes and pup Putt before or after the dismemberment
of this child?
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Yeah, the way the after David has written it sounds
like it was after they had dismembered the girl's remains
that they went golfing.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
And to Popeyes, Okay, Paul Duffy Popeyes, and I believe
it was Congo River, Correct me if I'm wrong, anybody
on the panel.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Congo River put Putt, Popeye's and put Putt.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Is going to be a treasure trove of evidence because
it's my belief that they go, they dismember the body,
and Brandis's mother's house and the mother.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
And the granny nanny are in there and they can
hear a chainsaw outside. What do they think is happening?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Human tissue and blood is found on the side of
Michelle Brandis's codefendant mother's house.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
They didn't even take a garden hose to like clean
off the site. They just left the little girl's blood
on the side of the house.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
But after they dismember her, and correct me again if
I'm wrong, Dan Sulimon, they put her dismembered remains back
in the car, and to celebrate Brandis's birthday, he wanted
to make her feel special. They go to Putt Putt
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and Popeye's. Now, Paul, this is what I would like
to show a jury. I would like to show video
surveillance of these devils from hell playing putt put How
many rounds did they play? Did they keep score or
they're like, whoa, I got a hole in one? And
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then I'd like to find out from the drive through
or did they eat inside.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I'd like to.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
See the video of them eating a fried chicken while
this girl chopped up is in the car. What do
they talk about at lunch? Did they talk about where
we're gonna dump the body? It's just I want to
see the video.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
What about it? Paul Duffy, That.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Video would be compelling in court, Nancy. It would be
in a picture that they were remorseless and depraved and
add to the indications that this is perhaps not Steve's
first rodeo.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Speaking of the evidence, speaking of that video, I pray
to heaven, Paul Duffy, and I learned this the hard
way in the Chandra Levy case where Chandra Levy, you
remember the DC intern that was murdered.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
The high rise where she lived.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
In DC would restart and tape over surveillance video like
every seventy two hours. And I could have learned a
lot if I had known when she left her apartment
for the last time. Was she dressed up to go out?
Was she she was going jogging? Was she with anybody?
Could I see her go out and get in a
(31:45):
cab and I can find that cab, and I can
find where she went from that cab driver. You know,
every cab is identified with a number. But no, they
reacted it every seventy two hours, so all that evidence
was lost. I pray to Heaven that Popeyes and Congo
River putt put doesn't do the same thing. Is there
(32:07):
any chance they would store that in the cloud even
if they you know, tape over.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
All, security systems aren't equal, Nancy. It all depends on
what the business invested in their security system.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
The civil suit goes on to claim, quote, this final
act of violence, suffocating a defenseless minor child, already broken
by days of torture, was the culmination of a week
long torture set in motion by grinders dangerous sex hookup
app that ensneered the child into a deadly trap. Wow,
(32:55):
Paul Duffy, you and I can explore the ins and outs,
the intricacy of saving digital data on the cell phones,
the nav system in the car. And I think there
was one toll roads. Florida is full of toll roads
where I'll get video of them just driving happily along,
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going on their merry way with the.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Child's dead body in the trunk. I want it all.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I want license grabbers showing their route to Brandi's mother's house.
I want to find out if there's video surveillance video
at the mother's house. Is there stop like camra, Is
there anything that I could show this jury to corroborate testimony.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I want all that digital data, every bit of it.
But what is very.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Powerful is the ring camera from the upstairs residence home.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
And I would have this neighbor.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
On the hot seat explaining to her what accessory after
the fact means.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And this is why listen, that's.
Speaker 10 (34:11):
The neighbor, says.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Miranda.
Speaker 10 (34:12):
Stayed at the home for several days with no issues
until Gres woke up to find he's missing a ring
given to him by a friend. She says, Gres accused
Miranda of stealing it and flew into a rage when
she only trembled in fear at his accusation. After two
days of brutal beatings, Brandis sneakily shows her roommate that
she has the ring, hiding it from Gres. The woman
(34:33):
believes Brandas took the ring to provoke Gres into hurting Miranda.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Okay, so the female roommate turned murder code defendant Brandis
Michelle Brandis had the ring all along. Okay to Dan Sullivan,
isn't it true, Dan joining us from Tampa Bay Times,
who's cracked this case wide open? Isn't it true that
Gres says it was Brandis after he shoved the pool
(34:58):
ball in the little girl's mouth as she's tied up naked.
I guess on a chair that Brandis wrapped her head
is sarane rap and he said, don't come, I don't
cover her nose. But she did cover her nose, and
that Gress says he rushed over punch holes in it
so she could breathe, but she was already dead. Isn't
(35:19):
that in the affidavit?
Speaker 8 (35:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
According to the other witness, she said that Brandis actually
put the pool ball in Miranda's mouth and then.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Was wrapping her head in saran wrap.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
And there was some discussion about, you know, Gress saying
that he wanted to put holes or not to cover
her nose and wanted to put holes in the in
the wrap so she could breathe, but couldn't get to
her quick enough.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
You know, it's there. There was there was.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Some So let me understand something. Angel Lewis joining me,
veteran trial lawyer, a partner at Sircey Law firm, Palm Beach,
former felony prosecutor, Andrea, You're not a prosecutor anymore. You're
on the other side. So let me understand. Is gres
gonna summon. They're all doing this. They're all pointing the
(36:21):
finger at each other. And we've got more video to
show you of that. But angel Lewis, I see Grass
swooping in with a she done it, and I tried
to save her. I tried to punch holes into saran wrap.
Why did you let saran rap get wrapped out her head.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
To start with?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
So what is he going to try to blame Brandis?
And Brandis is going to blame him and the roommate's like,
I had nothing to do with.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
This, Nancy.
Speaker 11 (36:45):
I am sure that that's what they're going to try
to do. But here's the problem with that. Right, we
have this man that went online and actually found this child,
enticed her into coming over to his home for fair
any we know what he had nefarious motives. We know
that they were sexually motivated. He's the one who brought
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her over there. This is his house of horrors that
we know that there were crimes being committed inside there.
This man is evil at his core, and it's going
to be very difficult, if not impossible, for him to
direct all of the guilt here onto his co defendant. Now,
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he is not going to be able to escape unfazed
here in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
So, Andrea, what would the defense be, Well.
Speaker 11 (37:35):
The defense in this case has got to be it
wasn't me, it was my co defendant.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
It was somebody else.
Speaker 11 (37:43):
And I think what they're going to try to do
here is that when we know that the death penalty
is going to be on the table.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
As it should be.
Speaker 12 (37:52):
So I think, what, given all of the evidence in
this case and the video, it's going to be overwhelming.
Their best bet is going to try to be just
to plea this case out to something less.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Okay, Yeah, Well, if the DP is on the table,
I don't see a plea happening. And in addition, I imagine
either the first or the last witness. If I was
trying the case, it would probably be the first witness,
although that would be going out of chronological order, which a.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Jury really likes. Doctor Kendall Crowns, I think the jury.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Needs to know at the get go the COEOD cause
of death of this little girl. Doctor Kendall Crowns is
a renowned medical examiner joining us out of Terrent County.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
That's Fort Worth, Texas.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
He is launching a new podcast in a week April
at fourteen Mayhem and the Morgue. He is an esteemed
lecturer at Burnett's School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crowns,
What would be after all of this? What would be
the cood? Could it be the beatings? Is there internal bleeding?
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Is she bled out on the inside? Did she die
of asphyxiation when the poolball gag in her mouth? Or
was it the saranne wrap taken right out of the
kitchen drawer and wrapped around this child's head.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Well, how do I determine.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
With all of that happening to this little girl, Miranda,
what is the cod plus she was dismembered.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
We don't have a body, But in your expertise, doctor Crown's,
what would be the cood.
Speaker 13 (39:34):
Based on all the information we have that she's beaten,
she's gagged, saran wrap put around her face. To me,
it would be more likely than not a suffocation with
the gag being put in her mouth, when the saran
wrap covering her head, she wouldn't be able to get
oxygen in and she would basically suffocate from lack of oxygen. Now,
was the beatings bad enough? You have a progression of
(39:56):
the beatings seen in the pictures of her having multiple
bruises was over time. So I don't think the beatings
were actually bad enough to have killed her. I think
that was more of a torture method, and their final
thing that killed her was actually shoving the pool ball
in her mouth and putting saran wrap over her head.
So I feel cause of death would be asphyxiation or suffocation.
Manner of death homicide.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Dan Sullivan, It's a no body case. We don't have
a body. The body has very likely been incinerated, so
that's a problem. But I don't believe the definitcyted gold
Star in a plus because they managed to get rid
of the body. What do you foresee happening? Do you
(40:39):
believe the six ghules that knew this child was being
tortured and killed and sat by and they actually heard
the chainsaw outside as his child was being dismembered and
nobody did a thing nothing? Do you expect charges of
(40:59):
accessory act.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Of the fact.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
It's hard for me to answer that, not being a lawyer.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
I think there is a possibility, and our local state
attorney has said that, you know, they're looking at, you know,
whether anybody else could face charges.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
But again, you know, it's.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Also possible that they will need these people as witnesses,
so that could influence, you know, any decision about other charges.
It's also unclear, you know, at least with the the
upstairs neighbor, the one who had the surveillance video, if she,
you know, was aware of what was going on. It
doesn't seem like she was, but it definitely seems like
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there were there were other people who were aware that
Miranda was in trouble right.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I agree the upstairs neighbor was very, very cooperative and
very distraught when we spoke to her, and she gave
us all of that video.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Guys, what more do we know, Nacy?
Speaker 6 (41:56):
We've learned that a federal judge has sided with Grinder
that the law suit should go to arbitration. A twelve
page ruling by US District Judge Tom Barber states that
Miranda Corset, in creating the Grinder account, had agreed to
terms and conditions that included arbitration of legal disputes. Barbara
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ruled that when Corset electronically signed to create her account,
an agreement exists that broadly covers any dispute claim or
controversy between Corset and Grinder, agreeing to resolve disputes through arbitration.
This despite the fact that the sixteen year old was restrained, beaten,
and tortured for several days. Corsett was suffocated when a
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pool ball wrapped in a sock was shoved into her
mouth and then her head and face wrapped in saran wraps,
suffocating her. The judge said, quote Corset agreed to Grinder's
terms of service, which includes an arbitration each of the
three times she created grinder accounts. The estate's attorney objected,
raising a series of arguments, including pointing out the victim
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was a minor, but Barbara rejected that argument, saying a
failure to comprehend or negotiate arbitration or unequal bargaining power
does not justify a repeated refusal to read an agreement
and should not negate the enforceability of an arbitration agreement.
Both parties are required by the judge's order to notify
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the court of the arbitration proceedings within fourteen days.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
As the alleged killers head to trial, We wait as
justice un false.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
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Rewarded for bravery that goes above and beyond the call of duty, the Medal of Honor is the United States’ top military decoration. The stories we tell are about the heroes who have distinguished themselves by acts of heroism and courage that have saved lives. From Judith Resnik, the second woman in space, to Daniel Daly, one of only 19 people to have received the Medal of Honor twice, these are stories about those who have done the improbable and unexpected, who have sacrificed something in the name of something much bigger than themselves. Every Wednesday on Medal of Honor, uncover what their experiences tell us about the nature of sacrifice, why people put their lives in danger for others, and what happens after you’ve become a hero. Special thanks to series creator Dan McGinn, to the Congressional Medal of Honor Society and Adam Plumpton. Medal of Honor begins on May 28. Subscribe to Pushkin+ to hear ad-free episodes one week early. Find Pushkin+ on the Medal of Honor show page in Apple or at Pushkin.fm. Subscribe on Apple: apple.co/pushkin Subscribe on Pushkin: pushkin.fm/plus
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com