May 11, 2025 • 43 mins
Austin Metcalf's father says he hoped he could pray with the family of his son’s alleged killer, but ended up being escorted out of a press conference by police.
During a track meet between Memorial High School and Centennial High School in Frisco, Texas, light rain begins to fall, and athletes take cover under tents with their respective teams at Kuykendall Stadium.
Memorial High School athlete Austin Metcalf finds Centennial High School athlete Karmelo Anthony under the Memorial High School tent and tells him he needs to move from under his team's tent.
When Anthony refuses, words are exchanged, and Anthony tells Metcalf, "Touch me and see what happens."
Centennial High School's Karmelo Anthony allegedly reaches inside his bag, grabs a knife, stabs Austin Metcalf in the chest, and runs away. As Metcalf's twin brother, Hunter, comes to his brother's aid, witnesses point out Anthony to a nearby middle school resource officer, who chases the suspect down.
The school resource officer confronts Karmelo Anthony, telling him to put his hands up in the air. Anthony tells the officer, "I was protecting myself," claiming Metcalf "put his hands on" him. Anthony hears the officer say he has the "alleged stabbing suspect" in custody, and Anthony replies, "I'm not alleged. I did it." Anthony claims self-defense.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
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Lisa Herrick - Board-certified Juvenile Attorney, Partner at Varghese Summersett, and Former Juvenile Prosecutor; Instagram & X: versustexas, Facebook and Youtube: Varghese Summersett
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Dr. John Delatorre - Licensed Psychologist and Mediator (specializing in forensic psychology); Psychological Consultant to Project Absentis: a nonprofit organization that searches for missing persons; Twitter, IG, and TikTok - @drjohndelatorre
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Barry Hutchison - Former 26-year Law Enforcement Veteran and Detective, Owner & Chief Investigator for Barry & Associates Investigative Services located in Kansas & Missouri
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Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), NEW Podcast [launching on April 14]; Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
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Katy Barber - Senior Digital Content Producer at My San Antonio
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
At a high school track meet, a track star from
one team stabs a track star from another team dead
in the last days, a press conference being held for
the alleged killer degenerates into chaos and the victim, Austin
(00:30):
metcalfs father.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Is thrown out.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
That's right, the victim's father is thrown out of the
press conference.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
The father of a teen boy stabbed dead a track
meet in Texas was just thrown out of a press conference.
The conference was being held for the alleged killer. The victim,
Austin Metcalf's father, Jeff, was then attacked with shocking insults,
(01:06):
insults from the defendant the suspects supporters. Austin Metcalf's dad, Jeff,
went to a press conference organized by supporters of a
seventeen year old young man, the alleged killer, Carmelo Anthony.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Now the dad.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Austin Metcalf had been standing with the press, was taken
out of the venue when police recalled to the Next
Generation Action Network's headquarters there in Dallas. What sparked this
turn of events? What do we know.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Austin Metcalf is a seventeen year old straight a student
and football star at Frisco Memorial High School. But what
is supposed to start out as an ordinary track of
the ends in tragedy for the prodigious athlete.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Two twin brothers scrubbed in sunshine. One bleeds out dead
in the arms of his twin brother as we go
to air tonight. What I perceive to be an outrageous defense.
First of all, listen to this.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And his brother was holding him, trying to hold the
blood in, and he passed. My son watched his brother
die in his arms.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
During a track meet between Memorial High School and Centennial
High School in Frisco, Texas, a light rain begins to
fall and athletes take cover under tents with their respective
teams at Kukendall Stadium. Memorial High School athlete Austin Metcalf
finds Centennial High School athlete Carmelo Anthony under the Memorial
High School tent and tells him he needs to move
from under his team's tent. When Anthony refuses, words are exchanged,
(02:54):
and Anthony tells Metcalf, touch me and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
He first heard from the victim's father. That from our
friends at Foxford joining us an all star panel to
make sense of.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
A senseless and brutal stabbing.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I cannot get the image out of my mind of
this star athlete bleeding out dead as his twin brother
tried to stop the bleeding, holding him.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
In his arms.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You know, I've been to plenty of high school track events,
my son has been involved in track from the get go,
and I can't even imagine a fatal stabbing over a
seat and a tent straight out to special guests joining us.
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Katie Barber, Senior digital content producer at mysan Antonio dot com.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Katie, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
What do we believe happened that led up to the
horrible stabbing death of this young star athlete? Literally scrubbed
and sunshine? And why did the suspect have a knife
at a track mate.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
It's really not clear why he had a knife at
the track meet on April second, but unfortunately he did.
One witness told police they were sitting with Metcalf under
their school tent when someone they didn't know, now identified
as Carmelo Anthony, came over to them and he is
allegedly when I grabbed the bag when he was confronted
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and reached inside and said, touch me and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Okay, wait, hold on, Katy Barber joining me from my
San Antonio dot com. Who said what? Who sat down where?
Who said what? And who said touch me and see
what happens?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Give me proper names.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
One witness told an officer that they were sitting with
Metcalf under the school's tent when Carmelo Anthony came over
to them.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
While they were in the tent.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
The witness said, Metcalf told Anthony to leave the tent,
and when he did that, Anthony grabbed his opened it,
reached inside and said touch me and see what happens.
And then police said in the doctor that no one
believed that he had a weapon at the time.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, somebody had a weapon because Austin stabbed dead.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
To Lisa Herrick.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Joining us, veteran juvenile attorney partner at Vargie Somerset, this
is important, former juvenile prosecutor, Lisa, thank you for being
with us.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Thank you, Nancy.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
That's enough time to form premeditation right there now. I
know that you defend juveniles after having been a juvenile prosecutor.
But the reality is under the black and white letter
of the law, Okay, premeditation, the intent to kill, or
the intent to commit any act can be formed in
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the blink of an eye, the twinkling of a moment,
the time it takes you to raise the gun and
pull the trigger. The law does not require a long
drawn out period for premeditation or planning mensraya, malicea forethought
for us to say, long drawn app period of poisoning
someone every single day, just a tiny bit of arsenic
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and then they die. It can be formed just like that.
Why do I care? Because premeditation or malicea forethought? Mince
raya is a key factor, the critical ingredient in a
murder one prosecution, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Absolutely?
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Intent is one of the main elements of a murder
or an assault, an aggravated assault with a deadly weapon
that turns into a murder. Because in Texas we have
a number of different ways that murder can be committed,
or the language for murder can be alleged, one of
which can be that you intend for a person to die,
but another can be that your actions, your intentional or
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knowing actions, are such that you would know that a
would die. So stabbing someone in the heart, you would
certainly know that a person would die if you stab
someone in the heart, and that knowledge or that intent,
like you said.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Okay, hold on, Lisa Harriet joining me veteran trial lawyer, Lisa,
You're absolutely correct. And I've got a great example, because
when I speak to jury's very often, or really anybody,
and I can't tell I can't state that this was
my idea. I got it from someone in the New Testament.
I like to give examples, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Stories.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
For instance, if I take a gun and point it
right over at my executive producer right here, Jackie, and
pull the trigger and then say, I just meant to
scare her. I didn't mean to kill her. The law
presumes you intend the natural consequence of your act. You
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don't have to say I will now kill you, bam.
The law presumes you intend the natural consequence of your act.
So when you take the time to go to your
duffel bag, your athletic bag, a zip it, get out
a knife, and then stab someone, and then we have
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the previous threat touch me and see what's going to happen.
All of that adds together to make a premeditated murder case.
Now you have not only prosecuted juvenile cases felonies, which
is a whole other animal prosecuting injvenile court, GV court
versus big court. What's your defense in this case, Lisa?
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What would your defense possibly be? Is it true that
a stand your ground defense is brewing?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
How can that percolate? That didn't happen?
Speaker 7 (08:46):
A standard ground defense is hard in this fact situation
because stand your ground law presumes that the victim is
somewhere that they are not supposed to be right. You're
defending your space when stand your ground law applies. And
certainly Austin was in a place where he was allowed
to be. No, I think Carmelo probably was allowed to
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be where he was as well.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
It's a public place right.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
But in order to claim stand your ground and in
order to use that as your defense, you have to
be defending your space. And so I know Carmelo is
saying that Austin put hands on him. But deadly force
is self defense theory that is supposed to be used.
(09:30):
Deadly force meets deadly force. Self defense is not medica.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Lisa, Again, you're absolutely correct regarding the letter of the law.
I like to use this example. You can't slap me
and then I shoot you down with an uzzi. Okay,
As for instance, I can't battle back against your fly
swatter with a machine gun. So you said it deadly
(09:58):
force equals deadly force. But here, isn't it true that
Austin Metcalf was unarmed? So to introduce a deadly weapon
that's deadly force versus no force correct?
Speaker 7 (10:12):
And even more so self defense without a deadly weapon.
Regular self defense is not a justifiable defense to use
against words alone. The law says that words are not
sufficient provocation to use self defense.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Everybody was able to semail Son only gurney with a
huge hole and blood all over him, and they were
pumping him.
Speaker 8 (10:35):
He wasn't breathing.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
His OSU rolled back in his head.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Centennial High School's Carmelo Anthony reaches inside his bag, grabs
a knife, and stabs Austin Metcalf in the chest underneath
the memorial's high school pop up tent, and then he
runs away as Metcalf's twin brother Hunter comes to his
brother's aide. Witnesses point out Anthony to a nearby middle
school resource officer who chases the suspect down.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
At first, you were hearing Austin's father speaking to our
friends at Fox for the family.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Devastated.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I cannot even imagine what it would be like for
the father to see this, much less the twin brother
holding Austin.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
In his arms trying to stop the blood.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I wouldn't have understood it if I didn't have twins
of my own. They're practically joined at the hip and
mineor boy girl, much less boy boy or girl girl,
that play all their sports together, that do everything together.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Having your twin bleed.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Out dead in your arms, let me go straight out
to a special guest joining us, also like Lisa Herrick
joining us from this jurisdiction. Doctor Kimball Crowns with US
Chief Medical Examiner Terrent County. That's Fort Worth never lack
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a business in that morgue. A stameed lecturer at the
Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, Texas Christian University and
launching a brand new podcast, Meg Him in the Morgue.
April fourteen, Doctor Kimbrill Crowns, I know you've studied the
case very carefully. Was there a way his twin brother
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could have saved Austin.
Speaker 9 (12:22):
I know there wouldn't have been because the stab wound
was in the heart unless he could be gotten to
an emergency room like immediately, and they may have been
able to save him, but more likely than not, he
was going to die anyway. That type of injury to
the heart, there's just really no coming back unless you're
basically in ther when you get stabbed. Explain why, Because
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it's your heart, it's you know, it's all your blood's
coming through there, it's all being pumped out. And then
when you have an aw hole in your heart, it's
bleeding into your chest cavity, and you have to close
that hole up in the heart, So you'd have to
crack the chest open, get in there and try and
fix the heart. And there's just so much blood loss
because of the size of the hole. It's it's near
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impossible to save that individual, and just putting pressure on
it at the scene, all that's going to create is
they're just going to bleed into their chest cavity.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I'm just thinking about what you're saying, doctor Kindall Crowns
because Katie Barber was Austin stabbed in the heart.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
The arrest document states he was stabbed in the chest.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So interesting, I wonder how close to the heart he
was stabbed. So okay, doctor Kindle Crowns will digest that.
Not stabbed in the heart, stab in the chest. Does
that make a difference in your analysis.
Speaker 9 (13:42):
So it depends on where exactly in the chest you
go up. But if you're kind of in the midline
or to the left, that's going to be the heart.
You go up a little higher, it's the aorta, which
is the main vessel coming off the heart. They're going
to bleed out again in just a matter of minutes
from that as well, there's no saving at the scene.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
You go to a.
Speaker 9 (14:01):
Little to the side one way or another. You've punctured
at the chest, punctured the lung, and that'll cause a
collapse lung that causes a lot of hemorrhage. That one
you may be able to save the person if you
can get him to the hospital fast enough. From all
the information I've seen, it doesn't sound like it got
stabbed in the chest in the area of a lung.
It's more probably centralized hitting them.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
In the art.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace, the teen boy Austin Metcalf's
twin brother held his brother in his arms, trying to
staunch the flow of blood as Austin died, but nothing
could save the victim track Star and now the victim's
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family being targeted. The definitive family has raised hundreds of
thousands of dollars on various platforms online, now over five
hundred thousand dollars for the defendant, the alleged stabber's defense.
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What that money is being used on is up in
the air.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
But I know this.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I know the victims mother and father. Austin's mother and
father have both been swatted in their homes fate calls
being made to police that someone in the home has
been shot, so police swarm the home regardless of the
time of day or night, under the fear someone may
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have been killed in the home. It's not the law
enforcement's fault, they're doing their jobs. The victims mom and
dad are separated, they live separately, both of them being
swatting at victims. I mean, haven't they suffered enough for
Pete's sake? What do we know about the day that
Austin is stabbed dead. You're saying there's no way twin
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brother Hunter could have saved Austin, because even if Hunter
could have pushed down where Austin was bleeding, and so
it would look like to the naked eye that he
had stopped the bleeding, the bleeding would still be happening
underneath the skin, and the blood would then be pumping
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straight into the lungs. So he would die on his
own blood and his lungs. I mean, there's no way
he could have saved him. Are you sure?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Do you feel confident in that?
Speaker 8 (16:45):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (16:45):
I feel very confident in that. If he puts his
hand on his chest and he continues bleeding into his
chest cavity, it's going to fill up his chest cavity
and it's going to make it hard for him to breathe,
and he'll basically die from the lack of oxygen. That
actually takes longer. From the descriptions I've read from the scene,
he kind of dies in a matter of minutes. To me,
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that sounds like a major vessel was hit or the
heart and he was going to die no matter what
was done.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Seventeen year old Austin Metcalf is being held by his
twin brother Hunter, who is trying to stop the bleeding
after seventeen year old Carmelo Anthony allegedly stabs Austin in
the chest, piercing his heart. First responders arrive and take
over treatment of Austin. As officers roundup eyewitnesses to the
event to find out what happened. Hunter Metcalf is so
distraught he can barely speak to police, but officers locate
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about two dozen student athletes and four coaches who witness
the stabbing and begin taking statements.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
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twenty times, including in the back, allegedly die of suicide? Yes,
that was a medical examiner's official ruling after a closed
door meeting, he first named it a homicide. Why what
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(18:06):
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Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Witnesses report a squabble over seating at a track meet tent,
resulting in the fatal stabbing of football star Austin Metcalf.
The suspect, a fellow seventeen year old student.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Athlete, listen to Austin's brother.
Speaker 10 (18:36):
First off Roe. Second, I didn't know what to do
and then saw my fall go over there.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
The mother, Megan metcalf and so much pain. She can't
even stand to hear the brother Hunter describe what happened.
That is from our friends at the Will Caine Show
over on Fox joining me an All Star panel to
kV Barber joining me from my San Antonio dot com.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Kavey, explain to me the.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Logistics of what Hunter, the twin brother just said.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Where was he, what did he observe.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And what, if anything, did he do when he saw
his brother stabbed. I don't know if he saw the
actual stabbing or saw his brother gushing blood.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I'm not sure. Please explain.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Yeah, when police arrived, they immediately. They said they could
see blood.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
On and around him.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
They coordinated with officers to secure the area. He said
that he whipped around. In another interview, he said he
didn't see the stabbing take place, but he was turning
around quickly and saw the aftermath and held him in
his arms after the stabbing, but did not see it
take place.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
He said that. In an interview after the event.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
He says, at first he froze for just a moment
and didn't know what to do. Then he actually saw
brother Austin fall and ran to him and grabbed him
and tried to stop the flow of blood.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Joining me.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Doctor John Delatory, psychologist, mediator specializing in forensic psychology.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Dog Delatory, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
What is that human reaction when you freeze for just
one moment, Well, it's.
Speaker 11 (20:31):
A trauma response, number one. It's the idea that what
you're seeing your brain can't interpret immediately. It's seeing, it's
witnessing everything that's happening, but it's such a difficult thing
for your brain to interpret because of the trauma associated
with it. He's seeing his brother get stabbed, he's seeing
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the blood, or he's seeing all of this stuff, but
his body isn't recognizing what it needs to do because
it doesn't know what it needs to do because it's
never seen anything like this before. And so he's trying
to catch up with what his eyes are looking at.
And because it's his brother, and because of the connection
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these two have, it becomes that much more difficult. Now
once he does catch up, he's able to catch his brother,
he's able to do what he can, but he's not
a doctor. He's not a paramedic, he's not an EMT.
That's his brother, and the trauma of all of this
unfolding is also impairing his ability to do what it
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needs to do. Call the police, call for other people, right.
A lot of the witnesses have to do those kinds
of things because Hunter is so focused on trying to
save his brother.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
A school resource officer first to the scene, take a
listen to.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
What the suspect says.
Speaker 12 (21:52):
A school resource officer is first on the scene and
confronts Carmelo Anthony, telling the suspect to put his hands
up in the air. Anthony tells the officer, I was
protecting myself, claiming metcalf quote put his hands on him, Anthony.
Here's the officer saying he has the alleged stabbing suspect
in custody, and Anthony replies, I'm not alleged I did it.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Wow, I'm not alleged I did it. Joining me now.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
In addition to our other guest, Barry Hutchinson, renowned law
enforcement that of twenty six years detective now chief operator
of very In Associates Investigative Services.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Very thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Did you hear what the suspect said, keeping in mind
that at this juncture the suspect is innocent until proven guilty.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
But very earlier we heard that there are about.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Two dozen witnesses this is a high school track meet
for Pete's sake, that said, did you hear what the
suspect said? And I quote, I was protecting myself that
Austin quote put his hands on me, And that would
be suspect Carmelo Anthony. Austin put his hands on Carmelo Anthony.
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According to Anthony Anthony, here's the school resource officer say
he has the alleged stabbing suspect and responds, I'm not
alleged I did it.
Speaker 13 (23:19):
Yeah, that's a pretty damning utterance from an evidentiary value.
And you know, he pretty much admitted to the crime
by making that statement.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Kate Barry, Barry, I know that. I just read you
what he said.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I'm asking you what the state is going to do
to prove that and what the defense is going to
do to try to get away from it.
Speaker 13 (23:44):
Well, the witnesses are going to contradict what he says anyway,
And you know there's twelve of those folks, apparently or more,
and they're going to make a statement that contradicts what
he says. It's pretty much going to outweigh what he says.
The state's going to move form prosecution. From that point,
his defense is going to be that it's you know
what he said originally, that it was self defense, that
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he was in fear of his life, which it's going
to be awful hard and substantiate that, as you addressed earlier,
without the thread of equal violence to substantiate him using deadly.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Forced Lisa Herrick joining me, veteran trial lawyer.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
In this jurisdiction, Lisa explain again in a nutshell what
is now emerging.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
As to defense. And you know what, I haven't even
gotten to.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
These sick conspiracy theories that are multiplying promulgating online. Get
to that in a moment. But I pray that Austin's
parents have not seen what is being said online. It's
total BS technical legal term. But Lisa in a nutshell
in regular people talk, do not throw a Latin phrase
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at me, Lisa Herrick, and I know that you can
stand your ground, how and the hey is that going
to apply here? We normally think of it as let's
just say, somebody tries to break in your house, you
don't have to run. You can shoot them right then
and there. If you're so disposed standing your ground. You're
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in a place you're supposed to be, you have authority
to be there, and no one can make you leave. Now,
explain how that's going to work in a high school
track tent.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Right, stand your ground. We commonly use the phrase no
duty to retreat, so it some places will, like some
jurisdictions will require that you attempt to remove yourself from
the danger. That's not the case in Texas. In Texas,
if you're presented with a threat, with a danger, you
have the right to defend yourself and stand your ground
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means you don't have to try to leave the danger first.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Well, I'm reading the supplemental arrest report and the narrative
is written by Officer Edorado Cortes. Cortes states suspect was
on on.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
The track at the north end. There was a chain.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Link that separated officer Cortes from the suspect. Cortes gives
the suspect instructions to keep his hands in the air,
and at this time suspect verbally said out loud and
this is considered a voluntary statement. Quote, I was protecting myself.
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Cortes goes on to note he had not questioned the
suspect about the incident, but suspect blurted that out. Then stated,
while walking him off the track, suspects states, quote, he
put his hands on me. Katie Barber joining me, senior
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digital content producer my san Antonio dot Com, Katie. My
understanding from having read the police reports and the witness
statements is that the suspect goes under the other size tint, right,
the other school's tint. At that point, Austin says, this
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isn't your tent, get.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Out of here.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
At that point, at that point, what does the suspect do?
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Police says that when he's told to move out of
the tent, that he grabbed his bag, opened it and
reached inside. And this is when he tells Austin touch
me and see what happens, according.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
To police, and so naturally Austin touched him, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Police say that he proceeded to touch Carmelo, and then Carmelo
then postures and tells Anthony and tells Austin to punch
him and see what happens a short time later.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Police don't say, so you're understanding, Katie Barber, where any
punches THROWNE Did Austin ever hit the suspect hit?
Speaker 6 (27:59):
It doesn't say. It says he grabbed Anthony after that
threat to tell him to move, but it doesn't. But
police do not say. Witnesses did not tell police that
he was punched. But when he was grabbed by Austin
is when he pulled out the knife and stabbed him
once in the chest, is what police say.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
A witness reported a police escort Carmelo Anthony to a
squad car. Anthony says he put his hands on me.
I told him not to. Anthony also asks officers if
the victim was going to be okay and if what
happened could be considered self defense. Officers take evidence photos
showing blood on Anthony's hands, but don't find the knife
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on him.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed
twenty times, including in the back, allegedly die of suicide? Yes,
that was a medical examiner's official ruling after a closed
door meeting. He first named it a homicide. Why what
happened to Ellen Green? A huge American miscarriage of justice.
(29:04):
For an in depth look at the facts, see what
Happened to Ellen on Amazon. All proceeds to the National
Center for Missing and Exploited Children. How does a teen boy,
a twin star athlete in Texas end up stabbed dead
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at a track meet of all places?
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Listen to US's dad.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
Great haunting trip with me and him and Austin and say,
I'm gonna come over and see you this week, so
can look forward to it. Hey, So I love you.
Dad has to love you, Tucson. Those were the last words.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Ever heard from me, the father and the twin speaking
to our friends at Dallas Morning News. What about the
blood evidence in this case? With conflicting witness reports, with
the suspect claiming self defense is stand your ground although
no punches were seen thrown, that blood evidence becomes critical.
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Remember it was raining, the track meet is outside.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Listen as law enforcement and paramedics arrive on scene. The
rain is falling harder. One officer moves the memorial tent
over the victim of medics trained to save his life,
and finding the bloody knife in the stands, quickly takes
photos of it before the rain could wash away. All
the blood. A blue tarp is used to cover the
knife in an effort to preserve the evidence, and because
it was so windy, the officer uses a nearby backpack
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to weigh down the tarp. He doesn't realize at the
time the backpack belongs to suspect Carmelo Anthony photo.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
No, juris don't want just a photo.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
They want DNA, do yoxuribo and nukleic acid. Straight out
to renown medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crowns joining us from
this jurisdiction of Texas.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Dodger Kendall Crowns the.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Murder what we believe to be the murder weapon, a
knife covered in blood had been thrown or obscured. Let
me just say ephemistically, and it was pouring rain. What's
the likelihood that we can get DNA off that knife?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Because the state needs the suspects DNA and the victim's
DNA off that knife, Well, they.
Speaker 9 (31:31):
Should probably still be able to get DNA from it,
unless it was scrubbed clean with a cleanser or a
soap of something of that nature. There's probably still enough
DNA on the handle on the knife itself to be
able to get a good DNA sample. Also, you have
to figure because of the contact between the two boys,
there's probably a way of getting DNA from the victim
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as well.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Kat Barber, where exactly was the knife discovered?
Speaker 6 (31:58):
It was discovered in the bleachers on the north side
of the stage at stadium, which is where.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
The hey did he get in the blazers, Katie?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
He ran off after the stabbing. It didn't quite say
a total direction, but he did run off. And it's
presumed that he threw the knife when he ran off,
because he didn't have the weapon on him when he
was detained.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Right a minute, right there, Katie barbermisan Antonio dot Com
to doctor John Delatory. If someone attacked me, and I
thought back, I wouldn't take off running and then hi
the weapon.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, you wouldn't.
Speaker 11 (32:34):
But here's the thing is that if Anthony saw a
bunch of other people, dozens of other people that were
also around and in that tent, he might have felt overwhelmed,
he might have felt scared. He could have done all
of these things just as a matter of panic. So
he runs off knowing that he shouldn't have stabbed this person,
but he did it anyway. He throws a knife away,
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he takes off thinking that he's going to get very far.
There's all of things that could be happening, because it
does not appear as though he intended to go to
that track meet with the specific purpose to kill Austin Metcalf.
It does seem like things were going on underneath that
tent that neither one of these two boys were prepared for,
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and both are now suffering the consequences, with Austin having
lost his life for some kind of nonsense.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Lisa Herrik, you see where this is going.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
The state is going to argue to a jury he
ran off and disposed of the weapon because he.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Knew what he did was wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And then immediately began forming a defense in his mind
and even asked law enforcement, Hey, could that be self defense?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
You think that's self defense?
Speaker 7 (33:45):
There are a couple of things that cut in favor
of the self defense argument, and those are that he
did run away if he was scared, and he.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So he stabsa Austin scared.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Isn't he the one that said touch me and find out?
Is that he the one to say, go, oh, punch me,
just see what happens. That doesn't sound scared to me, I.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
Don't disagree with you, but getting into his mind for
a moment, and the argument that the defense is going
to make right, they have to come up with someone
I do.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I have to get in his mind.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
So if he'll say I was scared, I stabbed him.
I felt like the danger was subdued enough that I
could now safely escape, then then I can see how
running away would cut in favor of self defense.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I can see what you're saying. How running away?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Okay, you just said, have you ever heard the price
word salad? Because I heard one. Okay, wait a minute,
what did you say about the threat was subdued? You
may he stabbed Austin in the chest? Is that what
you're talking about? So if the threat is subdued, why
run then?
Speaker 7 (34:53):
Because there were plenty of other people around who were
potentially new dangers, right, people who saw him.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
So now I don't know what you're saying. You're making
that up like a good defense attorney. What other people
presented a danger? Nobody?
Speaker 1 (35:11):
What are you serious? Well, I mean, he stabs Austin
dead and then he is in danger.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Of what retribution? People who want to hurt him. Now
that Carmelo hurt.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Their friend was able to see my son only gurney
with a huge hole and blow all over him and
they were pumping him. He wasn't breathing.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
His eyes would rolled back in his head. From our
friends at Fox four.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the alleged killer Carmelo Anthony
walks free from jail after a controversial decision by a
judge to lower his bond on charges he stabbed and
killed Austin Metcalf, who was unarmed at the time he
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was stabbed. What more do we know? No one saw
punches being thrown, nothing like that. The suspect and the
victim had never even met, according to sources.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
Listen, and then I went my head around and then
all sudden I see him run another bleach grabbing his chest.
Just a lot of us are now, he said, the South.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
There you see Austin's brother Hunter speaking out. From our
friends at the Whealcane Show on Fox. Why ask why?
How many times has that been said in a courtroom?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
A million?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
But as you all know, the state is never required
to show motive. Teams kill for apparently no reason at all.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Listen, high school Spanish teacher noih. Mcgrabor is known for
enjoying an afternoon walk at a park in Fairfield, Iowa,
when she turns up missing. Retracing her steps begins in
the park. The body is found covered by a tarp, wheelbarrow,
and railroad ties, and she suffered head trauma. Cops don't
have to look much further than incriminating social media posts
of two sixteen year old students, Jeremy Goodell and Willard Miller,
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from the school where Graver teaches.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
One of the high schoolers thought they might get a
bad grade, and so two of them go and murder
the tea shirt.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yes, so I murder over what I c minus.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Then there is another star student all A's that commits
murder Derrick Rossa.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
I need to know if your mom is is greeting,
she said, Miss, I have the gun with me.
Speaker 8 (37:46):
I was going to shoot myself, but I didn't want to.
Speaker 10 (37:49):
I hope more family members they can take care of
my sister.
Speaker 7 (37:52):
I took take schuldres.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
And I told my friend about it was that bad.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
That is teen boy Derek Rossa. Bill don't know any
motive as to why he killed his mother, and then
sent the photo of her sleeping in bed, now dead
to friends, then asking was that bad that I killed
her and sent photos to friends? So attain kills for
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what motive?
Speaker 1 (38:20):
None? And there's more.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Tristan Bailey, last scene wearing her cheerleader uniform, went missing
on Mother's Day in Jacksonville, Florida. Surveillance video shows her
at one fifteen am. She's walking with a fourteen year
old classmate, Aidan Fucci. When police pick up Fucci for questioning,
he posts a photo of himself in the back of
a police car giving the V sign with the caption,
Hey guys, has anybody seen Tristan lately? He also posted
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a Snapchat video having fun in a beep cop car.
Tristan's body is discovered in a secluded wooded area. She's
been stabbed one hundred and fourteen times.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
This little girl was not raped, was not assaulted, There
was no robbery.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
So what was the motive? Apparently none and more.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
Jay Williams is fifteen years old. The day he and
sixteen year old Randy Thompson lewre a fellow classmate, Michael
Russell to his own home, where they stab him multiple
times in the chest, back and neck. Russell's mother returns
home from running errands and finds his lifeless body in
the backyard. Williams and Thompson say they wanted to see
what it felt like to kill someone.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Lisa Herrick joining us that are in trial lawyer in
this jurisdiction of Texas, so number one for Austin. Even
if this did happen to have touched the suspect.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
On the shoulder and said get out of our.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Tent, that is not going to justify under self defense
a deadly attack with a knife. And as far as motive,
you just heard all of those similar cases where teens kill,
they don't really have a motive.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
The state doesn't have to prove motive, do they. The
state does not have to prove motive.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
And that's mainly because it is nearly impossible to get
into the mind of a charged a defendant unless they
tell you what they were thinking. In this case, we
know that Carmelo is going to claim self depends, but
we don't know what he was actually thinking, and so
the state wouldn't be able to prove a motive without
knowing what he was actually thinking.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed
twenty times, including in the back allegedly die of suicide. Yes,
that was a medical examiner's official ruling after a closed
door meeting he first named it a homicide. Why what
happened to Ellen Greenberg? A huge American miscarriage of justice.
(40:46):
For an in depth look at the facts, see what
Happened to Ellen? On Amazon. All proceeds to the National
Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Teen boy Austin Metcalf
stamped dead at a high school track mate. Apparently no
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justification for the stabbing, but at this hour, evil sick
conspiracy theories are promulgating online, including a fake autopsy report
Katie Yes.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
The fake autopsy report that has been police have warned about.
Police have issued multiple warnings publicly on their social media
channels about false statements from the police chief that have
not come from him, as well as this medical report
that shows the primary cause of death being a drug
overdose with the secondary cause of death being a stab wound.
(41:47):
Police have said that report has not been released, so
any sort of images purporting to be the autopsy report
are not true.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Texas Police as we go to air warning about misinformation
being promulgated on line, they are also warning people Katie
Barber not to disseminate the false theories under threat of
what hampering, a hampering or handering a police investigation.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
Yes, and they've also said that people who are pretending
to be officials like propagating this information can also be
charged with a third degree felony of impersonating a public servant.
So there are charges at play, and they are investigating
with the FBI into these matters.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
What kind of an evil, sick person would create a
fake autopsy report suggesting that this boy, a star athlete,
died of a drug overdose. But obviously it's someone that
is signing with the suspect and trying to tarnish the
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reputation of a young boy, a young boy with all
as star athlete and beloved Twin.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Speaking of Twin, listen to his brother Hunter, We're just
one person.
Speaker 10 (43:03):
We did everything the same.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
We're just exactly a lie, Twighton.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
We had no we had a.
Speaker 10 (43:08):
Couple of differences, but most of the stuff we did
together and the stuff we had this he fell as
one person. So it's like we disconnected so well, and
everything we did.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
At a press conference for the alleged killer, Carmelo Anthony,
the father of the victim, Austin Metcalf, is led out
of the press conference. Chaos surrounds this case, but at
the heart of the case, a teen boy has been stabbed.
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Is there a defense We don't know yet. This must
play out in a court of law. We wait as
just as some folds. Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
At a high school track meet, a track star from
one team stabs a track star from another team dead
in the last days, a press conference being held for
the alleged killer degenerates into chaos and the victim, Austin
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metcalfs father.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Is thrown out.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
That's right, the victim's father is thrown out of the
press conference.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
The father of a teen boy stabbed dead a track
meet in Texas was just thrown out of a press conference.
The conference was being held for the alleged killer. The victim,
Austin Metcalf's father, Jeff, was then attacked with shocking insults,
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insults from the defendant the suspects supporters. Austin Metcalf's dad, Jeff,
went to a press conference organized by supporters of a
seventeen year old young man, the alleged killer, Carmelo Anthony.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Now the dad.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Austin Metcalf had been standing with the press, was taken
out of the venue when police recalled to the Next
Generation Action Network's headquarters there in Dallas. What sparked this
turn of events? What do we know.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Austin Metcalf is a seventeen year old straight a student
and football star at Frisco Memorial High School. But what
is supposed to start out as an ordinary track of
the ends in tragedy for the prodigious athlete.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Two twin brothers scrubbed in sunshine. One bleeds out dead
in the arms of his twin brother as we go
to air tonight. What I perceive to be an outrageous defense.
First of all, listen to this.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And his brother was holding him, trying to hold the
blood in, and he passed. My son watched his brother
die in his arms.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
During a track meet between Memorial High School and Centennial
High School in Frisco, Texas, a light rain begins to
fall and athletes take cover under tents with their respective
teams at Kukendall Stadium. Memorial High School athlete Austin Metcalf
finds Centennial High School athlete Carmelo Anthony under the Memorial
High School tent and tells him he needs to move
from under his team's tent. When Anthony refuses, words are exchanged,
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and Anthony tells Metcalf, touch me and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
He first heard from the victim's father. That from our
friends at Foxford joining us an all star panel to
make sense of.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
A senseless and brutal stabbing.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I cannot get the image out of my mind of
this star athlete bleeding out dead as his twin brother
tried to stop the bleeding, holding him.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
In his arms.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You know, I've been to plenty of high school track events,
my son has been involved in track from the get go,
and I can't even imagine a fatal stabbing over a
seat and a tent straight out to special guests joining us.
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Katie Barber, Senior digital content producer at mysan Antonio dot com.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Katie, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
What do we believe happened that led up to the
horrible stabbing death of this young star athlete? Literally scrubbed
and sunshine? And why did the suspect have a knife
at a track mate.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
It's really not clear why he had a knife at
the track meet on April second, but unfortunately he did.
One witness told police they were sitting with Metcalf under
their school tent when someone they didn't know, now identified
as Carmelo Anthony, came over to them and he is
allegedly when I grabbed the bag when he was confronted
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and reached inside and said, touch me and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Okay, wait, hold on, Katy Barber joining me from my
San Antonio dot com. Who said what? Who sat down where?
Who said what? And who said touch me and see
what happens?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Give me proper names.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
One witness told an officer that they were sitting with
Metcalf under the school's tent when Carmelo Anthony came over
to them.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
While they were in the tent.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
The witness said, Metcalf told Anthony to leave the tent,
and when he did that, Anthony grabbed his opened it,
reached inside and said touch me and see what happens.
And then police said in the doctor that no one
believed that he had a weapon at the time.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, somebody had a weapon because Austin stabbed dead.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
To Lisa Herrick.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Joining us, veteran juvenile attorney partner at Vargie Somerset, this
is important, former juvenile prosecutor, Lisa, thank you for being
with us.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Thank you, Nancy.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
That's enough time to form premeditation right there now. I
know that you defend juveniles after having been a juvenile prosecutor.
But the reality is under the black and white letter
of the law, Okay, premeditation, the intent to kill, or
the intent to commit any act can be formed in
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the blink of an eye, the twinkling of a moment,
the time it takes you to raise the gun and
pull the trigger. The law does not require a long
drawn out period for premeditation or planning mensraya, malicea forethought
for us to say, long drawn app period of poisoning
someone every single day, just a tiny bit of arsenic
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and then they die. It can be formed just like that.
Why do I care? Because premeditation or malicea forethought? Mince
raya is a key factor, the critical ingredient in a
murder one prosecution, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Absolutely?
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Intent is one of the main elements of a murder
or an assault, an aggravated assault with a deadly weapon
that turns into a murder. Because in Texas we have
a number of different ways that murder can be committed,
or the language for murder can be alleged, one of
which can be that you intend for a person to die,
but another can be that your actions, your intentional or
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knowing actions, are such that you would know that a
would die. So stabbing someone in the heart, you would
certainly know that a person would die if you stab
someone in the heart, and that knowledge or that intent,
like you said.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Okay, hold on, Lisa Harriet joining me veteran trial lawyer, Lisa,
You're absolutely correct. And I've got a great example, because
when I speak to jury's very often, or really anybody,
and I can't tell I can't state that this was
my idea. I got it from someone in the New Testament.
I like to give examples, okay.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Stories.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
For instance, if I take a gun and point it
right over at my executive producer right here, Jackie, and
pull the trigger and then say, I just meant to
scare her. I didn't mean to kill her. The law
presumes you intend the natural consequence of your act. You
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don't have to say I will now kill you, bam.
The law presumes you intend the natural consequence of your act.
So when you take the time to go to your
duffel bag, your athletic bag, a zip it, get out
a knife, and then stab someone, and then we have
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the previous threat touch me and see what's going to happen.
All of that adds together to make a premeditated murder case.
Now you have not only prosecuted juvenile cases felonies, which
is a whole other animal prosecuting injvenile court, GV court
versus big court. What's your defense in this case, Lisa?
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What would your defense possibly be? Is it true that
a stand your ground defense is brewing?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
How can that percolate? That didn't happen?
Speaker 7 (08:46):
A standard ground defense is hard in this fact situation
because stand your ground law presumes that the victim is
somewhere that they are not supposed to be right. You're
defending your space when stand your ground law applies. And
certainly Austin was in a place where he was allowed
to be. No, I think Carmelo probably was allowed to
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be where he was as well.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
It's a public place right.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
But in order to claim stand your ground and in
order to use that as your defense, you have to
be defending your space. And so I know Carmelo is
saying that Austin put hands on him. But deadly force
is self defense theory that is supposed to be used.
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Deadly force meets deadly force. Self defense is not medica.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Lisa, Again, you're absolutely correct regarding the letter of the law.
I like to use this example. You can't slap me
and then I shoot you down with an uzzi. Okay,
As for instance, I can't battle back against your fly
swatter with a machine gun. So you said it deadly
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force equals deadly force. But here, isn't it true that
Austin Metcalf was unarmed? So to introduce a deadly weapon
that's deadly force versus no force correct?
Speaker 7 (10:12):
And even more so self defense without a deadly weapon.
Regular self defense is not a justifiable defense to use
against words alone. The law says that words are not
sufficient provocation to use self defense.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Everybody was able to semail Son only gurney with a
huge hole and blood all over him, and they were
pumping him.
Speaker 8 (10:35):
He wasn't breathing.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
His OSU rolled back in his head.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Centennial High School's Carmelo Anthony reaches inside his bag, grabs
a knife, and stabs Austin Metcalf in the chest underneath
the memorial's high school pop up tent, and then he
runs away as Metcalf's twin brother Hunter comes to his
brother's aide. Witnesses point out Anthony to a nearby middle
school resource officer who chases the suspect down.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
At first, you were hearing Austin's father speaking to our
friends at Fox for the family.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Devastated.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I cannot even imagine what it would be like for
the father to see this, much less the twin brother
holding Austin.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
In his arms trying to stop the blood.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I wouldn't have understood it if I didn't have twins
of my own. They're practically joined at the hip and
mineor boy girl, much less boy boy or girl girl,
that play all their sports together, that do everything together.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Having your twin bleed.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Out dead in your arms, let me go straight out
to a special guest joining us, also like Lisa Herrick
joining us from this jurisdiction. Doctor Kimball Crowns with US
Chief Medical Examiner Terrent County. That's Fort Worth never lack
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a business in that morgue. A stameed lecturer at the
Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, Texas Christian University and
launching a brand new podcast, Meg Him in the Morgue.
April fourteen, Doctor Kimbrill Crowns, I know you've studied the
case very carefully. Was there a way his twin brother
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could have saved Austin.
Speaker 9 (12:22):
I know there wouldn't have been because the stab wound
was in the heart unless he could be gotten to
an emergency room like immediately, and they may have been
able to save him, but more likely than not, he
was going to die anyway. That type of injury to
the heart, there's just really no coming back unless you're
basically in ther when you get stabbed. Explain why, Because
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it's your heart, it's you know, it's all your blood's
coming through there, it's all being pumped out. And then
when you have an aw hole in your heart, it's
bleeding into your chest cavity, and you have to close
that hole up in the heart, So you'd have to
crack the chest open, get in there and try and
fix the heart. And there's just so much blood loss
because of the size of the hole. It's it's near
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impossible to save that individual, and just putting pressure on
it at the scene, all that's going to create is
they're just going to bleed into their chest cavity.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I'm just thinking about what you're saying, doctor Kindall Crowns
because Katie Barber was Austin stabbed in the heart.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
The arrest document states he was stabbed in the chest.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So interesting, I wonder how close to the heart he
was stabbed. So okay, doctor Kindle Crowns will digest that.
Not stabbed in the heart, stab in the chest. Does
that make a difference in your analysis.
Speaker 9 (13:42):
So it depends on where exactly in the chest you
go up. But if you're kind of in the midline
or to the left, that's going to be the heart.
You go up a little higher, it's the aorta, which
is the main vessel coming off the heart. They're going
to bleed out again in just a matter of minutes
from that as well, there's no saving at the scene.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
You go to a.
Speaker 9 (14:01):
Little to the side one way or another. You've punctured
at the chest, punctured the lung, and that'll cause a
collapse lung that causes a lot of hemorrhage. That one
you may be able to save the person if you
can get him to the hospital fast enough. From all
the information I've seen, it doesn't sound like it got
stabbed in the chest in the area of a lung.
It's more probably centralized hitting them.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
In the art.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace, the teen boy Austin Metcalf's
twin brother held his brother in his arms, trying to
staunch the flow of blood as Austin died, but nothing
could save the victim track Star and now the victim's
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family being targeted. The definitive family has raised hundreds of
thousands of dollars on various platforms online, now over five
hundred thousand dollars for the defendant, the alleged stabber's defense.
(15:16):
What that money is being used on is up in
the air.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
But I know this.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I know the victims mother and father. Austin's mother and
father have both been swatted in their homes fate calls
being made to police that someone in the home has
been shot, so police swarm the home regardless of the
time of day or night, under the fear someone may
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have been killed in the home. It's not the law
enforcement's fault, they're doing their jobs. The victims mom and
dad are separated, they live separately, both of them being
swatting at victims. I mean, haven't they suffered enough for
Pete's sake? What do we know about the day that
Austin is stabbed dead. You're saying there's no way twin
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brother Hunter could have saved Austin, because even if Hunter
could have pushed down where Austin was bleeding, and so
it would look like to the naked eye that he
had stopped the bleeding, the bleeding would still be happening
underneath the skin, and the blood would then be pumping
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straight into the lungs. So he would die on his
own blood and his lungs. I mean, there's no way
he could have saved him. Are you sure?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Do you feel confident in that?
Speaker 8 (16:45):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (16:45):
I feel very confident in that. If he puts his
hand on his chest and he continues bleeding into his
chest cavity, it's going to fill up his chest cavity
and it's going to make it hard for him to breathe,
and he'll basically die from the lack of oxygen. That
actually takes longer. From the descriptions I've read from the scene,
he kind of dies in a matter of minutes. To me,
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that sounds like a major vessel was hit or the
heart and he was going to die no matter what
was done.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Seventeen year old Austin Metcalf is being held by his
twin brother Hunter, who is trying to stop the bleeding
after seventeen year old Carmelo Anthony allegedly stabs Austin in
the chest, piercing his heart. First responders arrive and take
over treatment of Austin. As officers roundup eyewitnesses to the
event to find out what happened. Hunter Metcalf is so
distraught he can barely speak to police, but officers locate
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about two dozen student athletes and four coaches who witness
the stabbing and begin taking statements.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed
twenty times, including in the back, allegedly die of suicide? Yes,
that was a medical examiner's official ruling after a closed
door meeting, he first named it a homicide. Why what
happened to Ellen Greenberg? A huge American miscarriage of justice.
(18:06):
For an in depth look at the facts, see what
Happened to Ellen on Amazon. All proceeds to the National
Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Witnesses report a squabble over seating at a track meet tent,
resulting in the fatal stabbing of football star Austin Metcalf.
The suspect, a fellow seventeen year old student.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Athlete, listen to Austin's brother.
Speaker 10 (18:36):
First off Roe. Second, I didn't know what to do
and then saw my fall go over there.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
The mother, Megan metcalf and so much pain. She can't
even stand to hear the brother Hunter describe what happened.
That is from our friends at the Will Caine Show
over on Fox joining me an All Star panel to
kV Barber joining me from my San Antonio dot com.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Kavey, explain to me the.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Logistics of what Hunter, the twin brother just said.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Where was he, what did he observe.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And what, if anything, did he do when he saw
his brother stabbed. I don't know if he saw the
actual stabbing or saw his brother gushing blood.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I'm not sure. Please explain.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
Yeah, when police arrived, they immediately. They said they could
see blood.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
On and around him.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
They coordinated with officers to secure the area. He said
that he whipped around. In another interview, he said he
didn't see the stabbing take place, but he was turning
around quickly and saw the aftermath and held him in
his arms after the stabbing, but did not see it
take place.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
He said that. In an interview after the event.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
He says, at first he froze for just a moment
and didn't know what to do. Then he actually saw
brother Austin fall and ran to him and grabbed him
and tried to stop the flow of blood.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Joining me.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Doctor John Delatory, psychologist, mediator specializing in forensic psychology.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Dog Delatory, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
What is that human reaction when you freeze for just
one moment, Well, it's.
Speaker 11 (20:31):
A trauma response, number one. It's the idea that what
you're seeing your brain can't interpret immediately. It's seeing, it's
witnessing everything that's happening, but it's such a difficult thing
for your brain to interpret because of the trauma associated
with it. He's seeing his brother get stabbed, he's seeing
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the blood, or he's seeing all of this stuff, but
his body isn't recognizing what it needs to do because
it doesn't know what it needs to do because it's
never seen anything like this before. And so he's trying
to catch up with what his eyes are looking at.
And because it's his brother, and because of the connection
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these two have, it becomes that much more difficult. Now
once he does catch up, he's able to catch his brother,
he's able to do what he can, but he's not
a doctor. He's not a paramedic, he's not an EMT.
That's his brother, and the trauma of all of this
unfolding is also impairing his ability to do what it
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needs to do. Call the police, call for other people, right.
A lot of the witnesses have to do those kinds
of things because Hunter is so focused on trying to
save his brother.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
A school resource officer first to the scene, take a
listen to.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
What the suspect says.
Speaker 12 (21:52):
A school resource officer is first on the scene and
confronts Carmelo Anthony, telling the suspect to put his hands
up in the air. Anthony tells the officer, I was
protecting myself, claiming metcalf quote put his hands on him, Anthony.
Here's the officer saying he has the alleged stabbing suspect
in custody, and Anthony replies, I'm not alleged I did it.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Wow, I'm not alleged I did it. Joining me now.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
In addition to our other guest, Barry Hutchinson, renowned law
enforcement that of twenty six years detective now chief operator
of very In Associates Investigative Services.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Very thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Did you hear what the suspect said, keeping in mind
that at this juncture the suspect is innocent until proven guilty.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
But very earlier we heard that there are about.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Two dozen witnesses this is a high school track meet
for Pete's sake, that said, did you hear what the
suspect said? And I quote, I was protecting myself that
Austin quote put his hands on me, And that would
be suspect Carmelo Anthony. Austin put his hands on Carmelo Anthony.
(23:07):
According to Anthony Anthony, here's the school resource officer say
he has the alleged stabbing suspect and responds, I'm not
alleged I did it.
Speaker 13 (23:19):
Yeah, that's a pretty damning utterance from an evidentiary value.
And you know, he pretty much admitted to the crime
by making that statement.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Kate Barry, Barry, I know that. I just read you
what he said.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I'm asking you what the state is going to do
to prove that and what the defense is going to
do to try to get away from it.
Speaker 13 (23:44):
Well, the witnesses are going to contradict what he says anyway,
And you know there's twelve of those folks, apparently or more,
and they're going to make a statement that contradicts what
he says. It's pretty much going to outweigh what he says.
The state's going to move form prosecution. From that point,
his defense is going to be that it's you know
what he said originally, that it was self defense, that
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he was in fear of his life, which it's going
to be awful hard and substantiate that, as you addressed earlier,
without the thread of equal violence to substantiate him using deadly.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Forced Lisa Herrick joining me, veteran trial lawyer.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
In this jurisdiction, Lisa explain again in a nutshell what
is now emerging.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
As to defense. And you know what, I haven't even
gotten to.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
These sick conspiracy theories that are multiplying promulgating online. Get
to that in a moment. But I pray that Austin's
parents have not seen what is being said online. It's
total BS technical legal term. But Lisa in a nutshell
in regular people talk, do not throw a Latin phrase
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at me, Lisa Herrick, and I know that you can
stand your ground, how and the hey is that going
to apply here? We normally think of it as let's
just say, somebody tries to break in your house, you
don't have to run. You can shoot them right then
and there. If you're so disposed standing your ground. You're
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in a place you're supposed to be, you have authority
to be there, and no one can make you leave. Now,
explain how that's going to work in a high school
track tent.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Right, stand your ground. We commonly use the phrase no
duty to retreat, so it some places will, like some
jurisdictions will require that you attempt to remove yourself from
the danger. That's not the case in Texas. In Texas,
if you're presented with a threat, with a danger, you
have the right to defend yourself and stand your ground
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means you don't have to try to leave the danger first.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Well, I'm reading the supplemental arrest report and the narrative
is written by Officer Edorado Cortes. Cortes states suspect was
on on.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
The track at the north end. There was a chain.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Link that separated officer Cortes from the suspect. Cortes gives
the suspect instructions to keep his hands in the air,
and at this time suspect verbally said out loud and
this is considered a voluntary statement. Quote, I was protecting myself.
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Cortes goes on to note he had not questioned the
suspect about the incident, but suspect blurted that out. Then stated,
while walking him off the track, suspects states, quote, he
put his hands on me. Katie Barber joining me, senior
(26:49):
digital content producer my san Antonio dot Com, Katie. My
understanding from having read the police reports and the witness
statements is that the suspect goes under the other size tint, right,
the other school's tint. At that point, Austin says, this
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isn't your tent, get.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Out of here.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
At that point, at that point, what does the suspect do?
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Police says that when he's told to move out of
the tent, that he grabbed his bag, opened it and
reached inside. And this is when he tells Austin touch
me and see what happens, according.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
To police, and so naturally Austin touched him, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Police say that he proceeded to touch Carmelo, and then Carmelo
then postures and tells Anthony and tells Austin to punch
him and see what happens a short time later.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Police don't say, so you're understanding, Katie Barber, where any
punches THROWNE Did Austin ever hit the suspect hit?
Speaker 6 (27:59):
It doesn't say. It says he grabbed Anthony after that
threat to tell him to move, but it doesn't. But
police do not say. Witnesses did not tell police that
he was punched. But when he was grabbed by Austin
is when he pulled out the knife and stabbed him
once in the chest, is what police say.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
A witness reported a police escort Carmelo Anthony to a
squad car. Anthony says he put his hands on me.
I told him not to. Anthony also asks officers if
the victim was going to be okay and if what
happened could be considered self defense. Officers take evidence photos
showing blood on Anthony's hands, but don't find the knife
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on him.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed
twenty times, including in the back, allegedly die of suicide? Yes,
that was a medical examiner's official ruling after a closed
door meeting. He first named it a homicide. Why what
happened to Ellen Green? A huge American miscarriage of justice.
(29:04):
For an in depth look at the facts, see what
Happened to Ellen on Amazon. All proceeds to the National
Center for Missing and Exploited Children. How does a teen boy,
a twin star athlete in Texas end up stabbed dead
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at a track meet of all places?
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Listen to US's dad.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
Great haunting trip with me and him and Austin and say,
I'm gonna come over and see you this week, so
can look forward to it. Hey, So I love you.
Dad has to love you, Tucson. Those were the last words.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Ever heard from me, the father and the twin speaking
to our friends at Dallas Morning News. What about the
blood evidence in this case? With conflicting witness reports, with
the suspect claiming self defense is stand your ground although
no punches were seen thrown, that blood evidence becomes critical.
(30:11):
Remember it was raining, the track meet is outside.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Listen as law enforcement and paramedics arrive on scene. The
rain is falling harder. One officer moves the memorial tent
over the victim of medics trained to save his life,
and finding the bloody knife in the stands, quickly takes
photos of it before the rain could wash away. All
the blood. A blue tarp is used to cover the
knife in an effort to preserve the evidence, and because
it was so windy, the officer uses a nearby backpack
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to weigh down the tarp. He doesn't realize at the
time the backpack belongs to suspect Carmelo Anthony photo.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
No, juris don't want just a photo.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
They want DNA, do yoxuribo and nukleic acid. Straight out
to renown medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crowns joining us from
this jurisdiction of Texas.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Dodger Kendall Crowns the.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Murder what we believe to be the murder weapon, a
knife covered in blood had been thrown or obscured. Let
me just say ephemistically, and it was pouring rain. What's
the likelihood that we can get DNA off that knife?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Because the state needs the suspects DNA and the victim's
DNA off that knife, Well, they.
Speaker 9 (31:31):
Should probably still be able to get DNA from it,
unless it was scrubbed clean with a cleanser or a
soap of something of that nature. There's probably still enough
DNA on the handle on the knife itself to be
able to get a good DNA sample. Also, you have
to figure because of the contact between the two boys,
there's probably a way of getting DNA from the victim
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as well.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Kat Barber, where exactly was the knife discovered?
Speaker 6 (31:58):
It was discovered in the bleachers on the north side
of the stage at stadium, which is where.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
The hey did he get in the blazers, Katie?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
He ran off after the stabbing. It didn't quite say
a total direction, but he did run off. And it's
presumed that he threw the knife when he ran off,
because he didn't have the weapon on him when he
was detained.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Right a minute, right there, Katie barbermisan Antonio dot Com
to doctor John Delatory. If someone attacked me, and I
thought back, I wouldn't take off running and then hi
the weapon.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, you wouldn't.
Speaker 11 (32:34):
But here's the thing is that if Anthony saw a
bunch of other people, dozens of other people that were
also around and in that tent, he might have felt overwhelmed,
he might have felt scared. He could have done all
of these things just as a matter of panic. So
he runs off knowing that he shouldn't have stabbed this person,
but he did it anyway. He throws a knife away,
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he takes off thinking that he's going to get very far.
There's all of things that could be happening, because it
does not appear as though he intended to go to
that track meet with the specific purpose to kill Austin Metcalf.
It does seem like things were going on underneath that
tent that neither one of these two boys were prepared for,
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and both are now suffering the consequences, with Austin having
lost his life for some kind of nonsense.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Lisa Herrik, you see where this is going.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
The state is going to argue to a jury he
ran off and disposed of the weapon because he.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Knew what he did was wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And then immediately began forming a defense in his mind
and even asked law enforcement, Hey, could that be self defense?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
You think that's self defense?
Speaker 7 (33:45):
There are a couple of things that cut in favor
of the self defense argument, and those are that he
did run away if he was scared, and he.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So he stabsa Austin scared.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Isn't he the one that said touch me and find out?
Is that he the one to say, go, oh, punch me,
just see what happens. That doesn't sound scared to me, I.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
Don't disagree with you, but getting into his mind for
a moment, and the argument that the defense is going
to make right, they have to come up with someone
I do.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I have to get in his mind.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
So if he'll say I was scared, I stabbed him.
I felt like the danger was subdued enough that I
could now safely escape, then then I can see how
running away would cut in favor of self defense.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I can see what you're saying. How running away?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Okay, you just said, have you ever heard the price
word salad? Because I heard one. Okay, wait a minute,
what did you say about the threat was subdued? You
may he stabbed Austin in the chest? Is that what
you're talking about? So if the threat is subdued, why
run then?
Speaker 7 (34:53):
Because there were plenty of other people around who were
potentially new dangers, right, people who saw him.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
So now I don't know what you're saying. You're making
that up like a good defense attorney. What other people
presented a danger? Nobody?
Speaker 1 (35:11):
What are you serious? Well, I mean, he stabs Austin
dead and then he is in danger.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Of what retribution? People who want to hurt him. Now
that Carmelo hurt.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Their friend was able to see my son only gurney
with a huge hole and blow all over him and
they were pumping him. He wasn't breathing.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
His eyes would rolled back in his head. From our
friends at Fox four.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the alleged killer Carmelo Anthony
walks free from jail after a controversial decision by a
judge to lower his bond on charges he stabbed and
killed Austin Metcalf, who was unarmed at the time he
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was stabbed. What more do we know? No one saw
punches being thrown, nothing like that. The suspect and the
victim had never even met, according to sources.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
Listen, and then I went my head around and then
all sudden I see him run another bleach grabbing his chest.
Just a lot of us are now, he said, the South.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
There you see Austin's brother Hunter speaking out. From our
friends at the Whealcane Show on Fox. Why ask why?
How many times has that been said in a courtroom?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
A million?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
But as you all know, the state is never required
to show motive. Teams kill for apparently no reason at all.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Listen, high school Spanish teacher noih. Mcgrabor is known for
enjoying an afternoon walk at a park in Fairfield, Iowa,
when she turns up missing. Retracing her steps begins in
the park. The body is found covered by a tarp, wheelbarrow,
and railroad ties, and she suffered head trauma. Cops don't
have to look much further than incriminating social media posts
of two sixteen year old students, Jeremy Goodell and Willard Miller,
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from the school where Graver teaches.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
One of the high schoolers thought they might get a
bad grade, and so two of them go and murder
the tea shirt.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yes, so I murder over what I c minus.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Then there is another star student all A's that commits
murder Derrick Rossa.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
I need to know if your mom is is greeting,
she said, Miss, I have the gun with me.
Speaker 8 (37:46):
I was going to shoot myself, but I didn't want to.
Speaker 10 (37:49):
I hope more family members they can take care of
my sister.
Speaker 7 (37:52):
I took take schuldres.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
And I told my friend about it was that bad.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
That is teen boy Derek Rossa. Bill don't know any
motive as to why he killed his mother, and then
sent the photo of her sleeping in bed, now dead
to friends, then asking was that bad that I killed
her and sent photos to friends? So attain kills for
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what motive?
Speaker 1 (38:20):
None? And there's more.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Tristan Bailey, last scene wearing her cheerleader uniform, went missing
on Mother's Day in Jacksonville, Florida. Surveillance video shows her
at one fifteen am. She's walking with a fourteen year
old classmate, Aidan Fucci. When police pick up Fucci for questioning,
he posts a photo of himself in the back of
a police car giving the V sign with the caption,
Hey guys, has anybody seen Tristan lately? He also posted
(38:44):
a Snapchat video having fun in a beep cop car.
Tristan's body is discovered in a secluded wooded area. She's
been stabbed one hundred and fourteen times.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
This little girl was not raped, was not assaulted, There
was no robbery.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
So what was the motive? Apparently none and more.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
Jay Williams is fifteen years old. The day he and
sixteen year old Randy Thompson lewre a fellow classmate, Michael
Russell to his own home, where they stab him multiple
times in the chest, back and neck. Russell's mother returns
home from running errands and finds his lifeless body in
the backyard. Williams and Thompson say they wanted to see
what it felt like to kill someone.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Lisa Herrick joining us that are in trial lawyer in
this jurisdiction of Texas, so number one for Austin. Even
if this did happen to have touched the suspect.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
On the shoulder and said get out of our.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Tent, that is not going to justify under self defense
a deadly attack with a knife. And as far as motive,
you just heard all of those similar cases where teens kill,
they don't really have a motive.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
The state doesn't have to prove motive, do they. The
state does not have to prove motive.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
And that's mainly because it is nearly impossible to get
into the mind of a charged a defendant unless they
tell you what they were thinking. In this case, we
know that Carmelo is going to claim self depends, but
we don't know what he was actually thinking, and so
the state wouldn't be able to prove a motive without
knowing what he was actually thinking.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed
twenty times, including in the back allegedly die of suicide. Yes,
that was a medical examiner's official ruling after a closed
door meeting he first named it a homicide. Why what
happened to Ellen Greenberg? A huge American miscarriage of justice.
(40:46):
For an in depth look at the facts, see what
Happened to Ellen? On Amazon. All proceeds to the National
Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Teen boy Austin Metcalf
stamped dead at a high school track mate. Apparently no
(41:09):
justification for the stabbing, but at this hour, evil sick
conspiracy theories are promulgating online, including a fake autopsy report
Katie Yes.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
The fake autopsy report that has been police have warned about.
Police have issued multiple warnings publicly on their social media
channels about false statements from the police chief that have
not come from him, as well as this medical report
that shows the primary cause of death being a drug
overdose with the secondary cause of death being a stab wound.
(41:47):
Police have said that report has not been released, so
any sort of images purporting to be the autopsy report
are not true.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Texas Police as we go to air warning about misinformation
being promulgated on line, they are also warning people Katie
Barber not to disseminate the false theories under threat of
what hampering, a hampering or handering a police investigation.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
Yes, and they've also said that people who are pretending
to be officials like propagating this information can also be
charged with a third degree felony of impersonating a public servant.
So there are charges at play, and they are investigating
with the FBI into these matters.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
What kind of an evil, sick person would create a
fake autopsy report suggesting that this boy, a star athlete,
died of a drug overdose. But obviously it's someone that
is signing with the suspect and trying to tarnish the
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reputation of a young boy, a young boy with all
as star athlete and beloved Twin.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Speaking of Twin, listen to his brother Hunter, We're just
one person.
Speaker 10 (43:03):
We did everything the same.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
We're just exactly a lie, Twighton.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
We had no we had a.
Speaker 10 (43:08):
Couple of differences, but most of the stuff we did
together and the stuff we had this he fell as
one person. So it's like we disconnected so well, and
everything we did.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
At a press conference for the alleged killer, Carmelo Anthony,
the father of the victim, Austin Metcalf, is led out
of the press conference. Chaos surrounds this case, but at
the heart of the case, a teen boy has been stabbed.
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Is there a defense We don't know yet. This must
play out in a court of law. We wait as
just as some folds. Goodbye friend,
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