June 15, 2025 • 39 mins
The FBI is now entering the investigation into the disappearance of young Kyron Horman.
The morning he went missing. Skyline Elementary School in northwest Portland Oregon is having their annual science fair so the school is opened about 30-minutes earlier than normal to allow parents and students to see the different projects created by the students. Arriving at Skyline just after 8 a.m., Kyron Horman and his stepmother, Terri Horman, go to his classroom and drop off his coat and backpack. Kyron then shows his stepmother his exhibit called "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog".
The two walk around the classes looking at other students' projects and see many other parents and children who have arrived early for the science fair. Terri Horman volunteers her time helping Kryon's teacher, Kristina Porter, and Porter sees Kyron and Terri Horman in Kyron's classroom that morning and another teacher sees Kyron and Terri in another classroom before the 8:45 a.m. school bell rings
As Terry Horman leaves the school, she sees Kyron walking down a hallway toward his classroom inside Skyline Elementary. Kyron has already placed his bookbag and coat in Miss Porter's classroom when he first arrived for the science fair. Miss Porter starts her class as like every day, then reading group, then recess, then lunch. Around 3pm the children, tired from a busy day, get on the bus to go home.
Kyron Horman's father Kaine is at home getting his daughter ready to meet Kyron's bus after school. When Kyron doesn't get off the bus, Kaine Horman assumes there is confusion and Kyron is waiting to be picked up at school. The bus driver calls the school to see if Kyron is waiting to be picked up and finds out from the front office that Kyron has been marked absent, he hasn't been at school all day.
Investigators build a timeline quickly as they search for Kryon Horman. The 7-year-old arrives at school with his stepmother, Terri Horman, around 8 a.m. for the Science Fair. Kyron and his stepmother see teachers and other parents touring the classes, and Terri Horman says goodbye to Kyron in the hallway that goes toward his classroom at 8:45 a.m. near the south entrance of the school. Investigators say Kyron is seen by one more person around 9 a.m. but they will not identify the individual.
JOINING NANCY TODAY:
- Kaine Horman - Dad of Kyron Horman
- Jarrett Ferentino – Pennsylvania Attorney/Homicide Prosecutor; Facebook & Instagram: Jarrett Ferentino; Host: “True Crime Boss” Podcast
- Dr. Shari Schwartz – Forensic Psychologist (Specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy); Author: “Criminal Behavior” and “Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology;” X: @TrialDoc”
- Dan Corsentino – Former Police Chief, Former Sheriff, Served on US Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board, Private Investigator
- Annette Newel – KXL News and Host, “Speaking Freely with Annette Newell,” Alpha Media USA (based in Portland, Oregon); X: @AnnetteNewell16
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
A little boy goes into school bright and early one
morning for his science project, and he's never seen again.
In the last hours, a major development in the search
for little Kyne Horman. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us in
the last days. The missing person case of a little boy,
(00:30):
Kirne Horman is set to be reviewed by the FBI.
Kyraen disappeared from his own elementary school. His mother has
accused his then stepmother of being involved. But now a
fresh look on a cold case. What happened when little
(00:52):
Kyne disappeared?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Which started as another school morning soon turn into a
nightmare for parents of seven year old Hyrian Horman, who
unexplicably vanished from a school science fair, A suspicious drive,
an alleged accomplice, and a murder. For higher plot, Where
is little Kyn Horman?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
This is a question that has gone through our minds
and hearts over and over and over. Joining me an
all star panel to make sense of what we are
learning about Kyn's disappearance. But first I want to go
to a very special guest. Kien's father is joining us.
Kin Horman Kane, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Hi, thanks for having me Kine.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I know you've been asked this before, specifically my police
and many many other law enforcement but could you go
back to the day that when you learn Kiren has disappeared?
Just seven years old at the time.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Yeah, I was at work that day and came home
after I was in the office and went to walk
down to the bus stop that's down our driveway and
went down to meet him when he gets off the bus,
something we do pretty much on every day. And the
(02:16):
bus came down and the door opened, and the bus
driver looked at us a little bit puzzled and had
mentioned that he was not on the bus, and that
came as a shock, and we talked to her for
a few minutes, at which time we ran back up
to the house and got in the car and went
up to the school to try to find out what
(02:38):
was happening. While we were making phone calls on the way.
So it was a very shocking situation at that point
in time. And then went to the school, talked to
the teachers and faculty up there, placed the call the
nine one one, and that's when the Sheriff's office got involved.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
And just kind of evolved from there.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I'm just thinking about that trip, that frantic drive that
you made to the school came I'm projecting. I remember
I was in New York and I had just gotten
the children bathed and in their pajamas and called home
and found out my dad was on life support. Within
(03:19):
about fifteen minutes through, we're out on the street, trying
to hail a cab to hopefully get a flight home,
that trek, trying to get home, trying to get.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Somewhere to get to my dad.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Will you describe those moments where you are frantically on
the phone, you're driving, You're trying to get your facts
together and find out everything you can. What was going
through your mind? What happened on that trip back to
the school.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Well, it was just a very I don't know that
I have a good description of it, very visceral.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Panic. Nothing, I mean, sheer panic.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
The one thing or one of you know, one of
the top things I think most parents fear is their
their children going missing. You want to protect them, you
want to be able to know where they are at
all times. And I was just panicked. It was just terror.
I don't remember much else. I remember just I think
(04:25):
what I've you know, learned since then about trauma response,
I think that it was in just full trauma mode
at that point in time. You know, everything just looked different,
the scenery looked different. On the drive up, there just
everything racing through my mind of you know, all the
different scenarios that could play out. But it was honestly,
it was terror. I couldn't even really explain the thoughts
(04:48):
at that point. It was sheer panic.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Another thing Kane Hormon guys joining us is Kyen's dad. Kane.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Many people would say it's not their fault, they just
haven't lived through it. Well, it's no big deal that
he's not on the bus, because what if he stayed
on the playground and was playing and the bus left
without him.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
What if he stayed in one of the rooms and
was doing an extra assignment.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
There's something called routine evidence evidence of routine. It would be,
for instance, if everybody got together and came here and
it's time to get hooked up to you and no, Nancy,
that has never happened. It means something. It's significant. How
did you know here and here in your head and
(05:35):
your heart when he did not get off that bus
when those doors swung open. How did you know instinctively
something was very wrong. It wasn't just playing on the
playground or staying in the classroom.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Yeah, that's exactly how you describe it. Button the bus comes,
he gets off. Every day, there's y'all want to discussion around,
you know, whether or not he was at school still
or you know, other things, and he just very routine,
Like you said, I don't know that we had a
situation where he ever missed the bus up until then.
(06:09):
And I'll recall him, you know, being on the playground
or in the classroom without us knowing about it. And
I think that's the main thing is usually I think
in a lot of those circumstances, if there's something after school,
you usually notified, and the school's usually really good about
doing that.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
So it was just an immediate.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Response that something's definitely off, because we either would have
heard or he'd be stepping off those bus steps right now.
So exactly what you described, it was pretty much like
clockwork every day, and that was just the one day
that it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Okay, Well you got to the school. What happened when
you got there?
Speaker 5 (06:44):
I remember trying to locate teachers. The three of us
were up there, so we were trying to locate and
ask questions about, you know, where he was at, if
he was still there, kind of the things that we
just talked about, just getting a rundown. And they had
indicated that he was not there that day, that he
(07:06):
had been absent from school from the basically the beginning
of the day, which then was an additional shocks.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh my stars, that just makes my stomach hurt.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Your whole day, you're going about your.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Business, you're working, you're this, you're that, You're making calls,
you're sending emails the whole time. You think he's fine
at school, and he was not there.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
He was not checked in. Right when you say the
three of.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You, I can just imagine getting to the school is
still kind of drop off pick up, everything's going crazy,
and you rushing in probably to the office, going where's
kym and where is he?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Where is he? I can't find.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Anything off the bus, And then you learn he wasn't
checked in even to his very first class.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
He said, the three of you, who is with you?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
His stepmom and my daughter.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Okay, let me think this through.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
You get to the school and who was it that
told you he was never even here?
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Yeah, honestly, I don't remember. I know we had started
talking to somebody and then more people kind of gathered
around in the.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Conversation, but I don't recall who we talked to you first.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Honestly, to seven years old at the time he goes missing,
everybody thinks he is at school that day, but he's not.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
What happened that morning, Skyline Elementary School in northwest Portland,
Oregon is having their annual science fair, so the school
is opened about thirty minutes earlier than normal to allow
for parents and students to see the different projects created
by the students. Arriving at Skyline just after eight am,
Kyrine Horman and his stepmother, Terry Horman, go to his
classroom to drop off his coat and backpack. Kyrone then
(08:47):
chose his stepmother his exhibit called the Red Eyed tree Frog.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
So Kyin Horman at school and at nuwell joining us
KATEXL News host of speaking freely with an.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
At newel and thank you for being with us, Annette.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
There's no question he was at school for this pre
school science fair. Now interesting. A lot of times we
don't have that distinction. This was all happening before first period,
before he goes into his homeroom.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Teacher, was this science fair? Explain?
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Yeah, that was an event in which there were a
lot of people who came from throughout the community, and
there wasn't a lot of what you would say supervision.
There were people coming in and out because there was
a science fair, and the adults who were coming in
weren't really being monitored very much.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, let's take a look at
the case of missing Karen Horman, just like the FBI
is doing now.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Came Horman with me, Kirene's dad.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So that was kind of a big morning for him
taking in the big science project. How was that morning
before he left for school? Was anything at all unusual?
Speaker 5 (10:08):
No, not from my perspective. We had talked that morning
before he went up to the school, before I went
to work.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
We talked outside.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
He came out with me to the car before I
got in and left. I told him that I loved
him to have a wonderful day at the exposition and
that I would see him after work, and we talk
all about it. So it was just another pretty much
normal day.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
What more do we know about what happened at the
school that morning?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Listen.
Speaker 9 (10:37):
Terry Hormon has raised Karen since he was an infant,
and she takes a picture of Karen standing in front
of his project, posting the photo on Facebook. The two
walk around the classes looking at other students' projects and
see many other parents and children who have arrived early
for the science fair. Terry Hormon volunteers her time helping
Karen's teacher, Christina Porter, and Porter sees Karen and Terry
Hormon and Kiren's classroom that morning, and another teacher sees
(10:59):
Karen Terry in another classroom before the eight forty five
am school bell rings.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Caine Horman explain to me your understanding of what happened
that morning at the science Expo and how many times
he was signed. I mean, I see the picture, I
know he was there, but now I'm hearing he was
in another classroom.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
What's your understanding of his movements that morning?
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Yeah, So based on what I understand, again, this is
what I remember being told that they arrived at the school,
that they went to the classroom where his project was
on display. That's the photo that we've all seen already.
With him standing in front. I did see that photo
(11:44):
later that day on our camera as well. There was
a couple other pictures of other things in the room
from what I remember, So they did look at some
other projects in the room again from what I recall,
and then there was a description of them walking to
other classrooms and looking at other projects in those rooms.
(12:05):
I don't remember. I don't recall which teacher it was
that they went into. I think they went in the
multiple rooms from what I remember and what I was told.
And then then there was a discussion about them parting
ways up in the hall by the office, and he
supposedly walked down the hall back towards his classroom and
(12:29):
she left the building again according to what I was told.
I don't know for a fact what happened, but that
that's what I remember as the kind of the described
overview of what happened there. And again I did see
photos of the classroom in a few others, but that's
what I remember.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Okay, I'm understanding something. Really.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
For the first time, this expo wasn't in one big
room like the gymnasium or the auditorium. This was it
was in different classrooms, so you would walk from class
aassroom to classroom looking at various other projects, you know,
sizing up yours compared to them. Did anybody have a
(13:08):
really great idea or really bad idea? You could talk
about it at the supper table that night. So they
Kyra specifically and the stepmom are going from room to
room looking at the projects. Is that correct? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
From my understanding, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yes, Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I find that very significant because it's not a group
of people in one gymnasium, one gym with all the
projects and fifty people, one hundred people seeing Kiren. He's
walking from room to room.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
In and out. Everybody's milling around looking.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Parents are there from all over looking at their children's
science projects. It's easy to get lost in the shuffle.
It's you know, you might as well be walking through
Greend Central Station. There's a million kids running around. There's
parents that don't really know each other. Who knows what happened?
(14:08):
Who can really get a good grip on the last
time Tyron is sane.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's not like he disappeared off the bus. He was there.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
He was there, guys, What more do we know about
that morning?
Speaker 7 (14:24):
Listen as Terry Horman leaves the school, she sees Kyron
walking down a hallway toward his classroom inside Skyline Elementary.
Kyne has already placed his book bag and coat in
Miss Porter's classroom when he first arrived for the science fair.
Miss Porter starts her class like every day. Then the
children moved to reading group, than recess, than lunch. Around
three pm, the children, tired from a busy day, get
(14:46):
on the bus to go home.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Where is Kyne?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You think when you take a child to school everything
is safe and sound. Not in this case, joining me
an all star panel, but straight back to Kyrin's father,
Kane Hormon joining us Cain, what did stepmom Terry tell
you about what happened?
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yeah, so it was we talked about the going to
the room at the school, doing the photos, walking around
the different rooms. I actually do recall after thinking about
it a little bit more, I think it was this
first grade teacher that they saw in his room. And
one of the interesting things about the schools there is
(15:27):
an upstairs and the downstairs with classrooms, which I guess
I didn't mention before. So she had talked about starting
in the upstairs rooms and to ring the science projects
in those rooms, then going downstairs and viewing the projects
there and then. And it's been a while, my memory
may not be what it used to be, but for
(15:48):
some reason I remember her talking about them separating and
meeting because there's different stairwells to go back up to
the upper level where they went back up to the
upper level and met near the office, and that's where
they parted, and she saw or talked about him walking
down the hallway back to his class.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I don't recall her.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Saying she saw him doing that, that they met there
and then separated at that point in the school. It's
kind of a central the office is kind of a
central spot in the upstairs. And then she went and
did some of her daily things that she had on
her list from the school.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
So that was the last time.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
That she had said that she had saw him was
in that central meeting place by the office.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And that's the teacher to whom you're referring.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
The teacher the names escaping me at the moment, I apologize.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
That's okay.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I just want to make sure you're talking about the
teacher says she saw him in that central area and
she took off to go do all her duties right, No,
I don't recall a teacher saying that that's what I
was told by his stepmom is that they met up
there and separated there. Gotcha now, I understand. Also to
a mule joining us Kate x L news that at
(17:00):
least one person saw stepmother Terry leaving the building. How
do we know what time she left? Did she leave alone?
Who is confirming that?
Speaker 8 (17:14):
Actually that information came from the mother of Kiren. She
said that there were several witnesses who have told her
that they did witness him leaving in a truck with
a stepmother. So that's basically where that information came from.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Speaking of Kyen's mother, Desiree, listen.
Speaker 10 (17:34):
The investigation continues to be on track and is progressing
toward finding Kyen. We remain confident in the actions and
constant commitment of law enforcement in the mission to find
our son.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
We love you, Kiren, never give up hope. We are
all coming to get you, to bring you home.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Back to Caine Horman, Cain, did Terry ever mentioned to
you leaving the school with Kiren?
Speaker 4 (18:06):
No, not in any conversation that we had.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
What do you know about potential witnesses that say they
observed her leaving with him.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Personally, I have no first hand account of anybody having
seen him in the parking lot or her or them
leaving together. I've heard a lot of second hand information
that there. There's a number of different accounts. There's accounts
of people seeing all three of them leaving because my
(18:36):
daughter was with her as well. There's accounts of seeing
him by himself in the parking lot and getting into vehicles.
I've heard different kinds of vehicles, not just a truck,
and I've heard, you know, other other accounts of people
witnessing her leaving the school by herself.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
I haven't heard any directly, so that's it's all second
had information. I apologize, but I don't have any firsthand
witness accounts that have been dictated to me personally in
that instance. But it's been a little bit of everything.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
To be honest, Nor do I in fact me reports
state the step mom leaves without him, that she's observed
leaving without him.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
How many times.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I can I ask you, Kane, did you go over
it and over it and over it with stepmom Terry many.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Many times exhaustively. There was a lot of discussion that
was occurring posts, the interaction with with the folks at
the school and then with law enforcement, and it was
pretty much a daily thing trying to walk through, you know,
who they saw, recount the steps, making sure that One
(19:55):
of my biggest concerns was, you know, did they actually
meet up in part ways at the office, did really
ever get firsthand information that confirmed their party at that location.
So there was just a lot of conversation about trying
to understand exactly what happened, where it happened, how it happened,
and then including after as well.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
So there was a lot.
Speaker 11 (20:18):
Kien, who was seven years old, disappeared from Skyline Elementary
School in northwest Portland.
Speaker 12 (20:24):
From day one, the Molnoma County Sheriff's Office has worked
in close partnership with the Molnoma County District Attorney's Office,
the FBI, and other agencies to find Kyron.
Speaker 11 (20:35):
As parents, we can't imagine the pain and struggle Kyen's
family has experienced and continues to experience without him.
Speaker 12 (20:42):
And that's why we have never given up or slowed
down and trying to find Kyron.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
In the last days, the FBI is set to take
a fresh look at the case of a missing boy.
Kyron Horman Guys with me is Kyn's father, Kane Jarre
Farentino joining US renowned former prosecutor, host of True crime
Boss Jarrett.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
It seems to me that we understand the timeline very well.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Caine has filled it out for us.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I understand everything up until the point the stepmother leaves.
That's when things begin to get Mrquis agree or disagree?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I agree one percent.
Speaker 13 (21:29):
It's not clear whether or not Kyn left the building
with her, although Terry, the stepmom, claims she left. I
run at school, heading toward his classroom and she left
with their little girl.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
That is the golden moment as case.
Speaker 13 (21:47):
Really began, Nancy, and there's some discrepancy in Terry's story
and how things played out.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Dany Corsentino, former police chief and former sheriff, also served
on US Homeland Security Scene Advisory Board now PI at
Dancorsantino dot com. Dan, right there, I'm telling you, that
is the critical moment, the critical moment when suddenly nobody's sure,
what where, where did he go that way or that way?
(22:16):
Was the stepmom with him not with him? That is
where the problem lies. Right there.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
You've seen it a million times.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
You've been a sheriff, you've been a police sheep, you've
been on homeland security. Right there, when the stories begin
to go in different directions. Everything's going along. Normally, Dad
leaves for work, everything's fine.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
They get to the school, they make it to the
science fair.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
But it suddenly when Stepmommy leaves, that's when everything hits
the fan.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Dan Corsentino, absolutely, that was the defining moment, that was
the beginning of the journey in the Sad Sad case.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
But it is really really.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Interesting about this is the comfort level that kyn had
and who he had the comfort level with, And there
was only one person on that particular morning when he
was at the school with Terry, that was the person
he had a comfort level with. Obviously teachers, students and everything.
(23:24):
But unless this was a stranger abduction, which I don't
think it was, that was individual that he had the
comfort level with. And everything changed as her story continues
to change.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You know, he just mentioned something really important to be
in Coursentino, you said, unless this was a stranger abduction,
let's just talk about the reality of that possibility.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Docter Sherry Schwartz joining me.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
She is a forensic psychologist and her specialty is criminal behavior.
She's the author of Criminal Behavior and Where Law and
Psychology intersect.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Doctor Sherry Schwartz, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
That is not a possibility that there was a stranger
abduction in the middle of the elementary school science fair. Okay,
the science fair was ending, the eight forty five bail
was going off for everyone to go to class. What stranger,
what who? No stranger is in that building. Everyone is
(24:28):
dispersing and leaving. The only one there where the story
goes sideways is with the stepmother, doctor Sherry Schwartz.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 14 (24:38):
She's the last one that was seen with Kiren, and
Kiren hasn't been seen since. And when people use words
like retaliation when we're talking about a missing child, they're
missing stepchild that they've known since an infant, every alarm
in my brain goes off, every alarm. You're right, doctor
(25:00):
Sherry Schwartz.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
As a matter of fact, let's take a listen to
stepmom Terry on our friend doctor Field's program.
Speaker 15 (25:10):
This was in retaliation for something that he was doing
that I found out about while this is happening, and
this particular person was actually his friend and sent to
the house.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
So this was a setup.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Okay, yeah, a setup retaliation. What is she even talking about?
Listen to more of the stepmom speaking to our friend
doctor Phil.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Well, that would be because the.
Speaker 15 (25:39):
Law enforcement told us to go to do what we
told us to do, things that we normally do. So
they want you to go grocery shopping, they want you
to go to the gym. They specifically told both Cana
and I, and he was with me that day when
we went.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Okay, what she's talking about, because she'd possibly be talking
about the X rated photos she's sending a lover within
just days after Kyne disappearing.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I mean, Caine, I don't know what you went through.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I thought I knew everything about grief when my fiance
was murdered. I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep, I could
barely speak. I couldn't stand to hear music or TV
or radio or even the clock ticking. I would vomit
and vomit. I couldn't keep anything on my stomach. The
last thing I could have thought about is sending X
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rated photos of myself to some guy. I mean that's
just not where your head is at a time like that.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
The first thing that I wanted to do was to
cooperate with law enforcement as much as possible. And when
I wasn't doing that, I was sitting in another room,
staring at the floor and praying. For the first couple
of days. I think I slept for maybe twenty minutes.
The night that he went missing, we had a house
full of law enforcement. One of the sheriff's officers that
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I had gotten to know over that period of time
sat across from me in the room, and I think
I might have k notted off for twenty minutes. Maybe
everything was do everything possible, as fast as possible, whatever
we needed to do, And it was just being ready
and available to go through the process that they conduct,
through the investigation as much as we could. Like I said,
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when I wasn't doing that, I was basically sitting there
crying for the first and that was the first few days.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
It was.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
The grief was overwhelming, and at the same time, like
we talked about in the ride up to the school,
in my brain was just frantically trying to figure out,
you know, what could we possibly be doing? Is this
real it's still just really hadn't sunk in all the way,
but it had at the same time. I don't know
if that makes any sense, but just mulling over everything.
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But yeah, I don't remember sleeping that much for the
first week, if not longer, because we were in the
middle of the investigation. We were being investigated in all
the interviews and everything else that we were trying to
get through. I mean, I was not on social media
at all that I recall. I don't even recall cracking
a laptop. I don't remember being on my phone. I
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just remember working with the team as much as humanly
possible to make progress on finding him. So the things
that you're describing to me completely foreign to me at
that time, and still.
Speaker 11 (28:29):
It just.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Sorry, I don't know how it's answered. It was just
it was a very intense period of time. I have
no idea how anyone would be on that mindset.
Speaker 16 (28:39):
Terry alleges she drove along country roads to sooth daughter
Kiera's erich the morning of Kyron's disappearance. Terry's friend Deetie
allegedly rushes out of work at the same time as
Terry's drive after receiving a mysterious phone call her whereabouts
during this time are unknown Witnesses at the school report
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unidentified man in a white pickup truck at the science fair,
but his identity remains a mystery.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Guys, there's so much misdirection going on right here, so
much misdirection. To Annette and Newell joining us Kate Exale
news host Annette again, thank you for being with us.
That parking lot was likely full of parents leaving leaving
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the science fair, but you are telling me evidence has
emerged of at least one witness seeing the stepmother leaving
with Tyrone.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Is that correct?
Speaker 8 (29:42):
They were seen out in front of the school by
one of Kyron's friends, his grandma and sister, as well
as his bus driver. They were walking out to the
main road, which is where the truck was parked. That
witnesses saw Terry and kyn leaving the school together that
morning and heading toward their truck. According to Quinna all So,
Terry said that she drove around town that day, stopping
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at the two grocery stores to get medicine for her daughter,
who wasn't feeling well. Then police found that Terry's phone
pained her own Highway thirty north of Portland and that
time period.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Now you're telling me that she in the vehicle in
the truck, was bought it at not one, but at
least two grocery stores. Could the video be highlighted enhanced
to say if Colin was in the car at that time.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
That's something that they tried to do a bunch of
times and they couldn't conclusively tell whether he was in
the car.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And that video depicting the stepmother going to at least
two grocery stores, was that immediately upon her leaving the school.
Speaker 8 (30:45):
Yeah, they do think it fit the timeline of what
she was talking about, although there was some other time
that they weren't sure if they could definitely connect what
she was saying she did versus what she did. But
they did find that there was some video of her
from surveillance cameras in that area that did show her
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and show her.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
In the truck.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What happened to Karen Horman?
Can the FBI find answers? Well, this is what we
know so far. The pinging of her cell phone explained
to me where her cell phone pained.
Speaker 8 (31:30):
Yeah, it was an area north Portland, not far from
the school around Highway thirty, which runs north of Portland,
and that was after she'd spent time driving her daughter around.
She said she was driving in that area to settle
her daughter down. Is what she told police when they
asked why she was why the phone was paying around
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in that area.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
To Kane Horman, this is Kyen's dad.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
When you asked her what had happened that morning, she
describe this circuitous route, driving around with the daughter in
the car to help her earache.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Yes she did. She talked about the retailers she stopped at.
I want to say there was a gem stop. Again,
I don't recall, it's been a while, but she did
outline that. She outlined a few of the country roads
that they were driving on. She wasn't overly specific about
which ones. There was a few she talked about, but
after that it was just driving around. But yeah, I
was familiar with that kind of.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Timetable family and investigators suspect this was no accident. Stepmom
Terry maintains her innocence. As the Horman family continues, they're
desperate search for answers.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
We know the stepmother has never been formally charged, and
Karen Horman's disappearance. She has become the target of public suspicion.
But there seems to be a chain of alleged misconduct
really since the moment goes missing. Now to you, doctor
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Sherry Schwartz, I know that everyone reacts differently to pain
or suffering, or loss or even stress, but this series
of alleged misconduct does not.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Vode well, doctor Siri, not at all.
Speaker 14 (33:21):
And this isn't to me. This isn't anything that would
constitute a trauma response or a grief response. This is
very specific behavior. She's talking about retaliation against Kirne's dad.
She is saying things like the police told her things
like to go to the gym.
Speaker 12 (33:42):
Now.
Speaker 14 (33:42):
I don't know if they did or they didn't, but
I would find that very strange because most parents are
out looking. And also, Nancy, if I lost somebody's sunglasses
that didn't belong to me, I'd be scouring the neighborhood
to find out where did I leave them, let alone
losing someone child.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I also understand that Terry Lynn Moulton formerly Terry Horman,
faced grand theft firearm charges stemming from an incident in Marysville, California,
regarding a stolen gun. It's just like one thing after
the next and again she is not Ever, she's never
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been named a suspect, a formal suspect in the disappearance
of Kiren. You know, Caine, you earlier mentioned that you
and the whole family were being investigated. That's SOP standard
operating procedure. When someone goes missing, the first place police.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Look, as they should, is at.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
The family members, particularly the male members. Statistically, that's typically
who did it? Tell me about being the target of
an investigation yourself while your son is missing?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
What was that like?
Speaker 5 (35:01):
The only way I can describe it is is it
was something that we that I needed to do. I
knew I didn't have any involvement.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I knew that really at that point it wasn't about me,
is really.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
All I can say is about him, And I did
everything I was asked to do as fast and quickly
and urgently as possible to clear myself in the investigation
because I wanted them to be focused on who did it.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
So it was I just I don't know. I set aside.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
There was not really a lot of emotions from me
on that front, other than they indicated the process and
my job was to clear the process, and that's absolutely
what I wanted to do, and again as urgently as possible.
The focus was on him, finding him as quickly as possible.
It really didn't have to do with me as far
as how I felt about what was happening. It was
just what I needed to do as his parent to
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help him get recovered as early as possible. So it
was basically my mission to do every and anything asked
to clear that process and continue to move forward. So
it was a lot less about emotion at that point.
I know, I described the first couple like twenty four
to forty eight hours just being kind of unresponsive unless
I was being interviewed with investigators, crying and all that stuff.
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And as we started to get further into the process,
I kind of have the set that aside and become
more focused on what needed to be done, the task
that needed to be done, and not being emotional about
how I felt. At that particular point in time I
missed him. I was frantic, but at the same time
I needed them to focus on who actually did this.
So it was about clearing. It was one hundred percent
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just about clearing everything that I needed to clear so
we could stay focused on him.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I don't even know words to describe what I think
you've been through.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
But now, what.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Is your message to anybody out there that may know
anything about Tyron?
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Well, first and foremost, if you're still out there, we're
still looking for you. So I will always lead with that.
No one's given up. We are still looking. We haven't
given up. We love you, we miss you. We are
still active, the investigations active, We're still looking to everyone
out there. Keep recording tips. We have tips coming in
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through the phone still to this day, lots on email.
There's a website that I'm sure that you guys will
have the information for that the Sheriff's office has put
up now. In addition to the one that we've put
up for the past fourteen years, they recently put up
a new one that gives a rough timeline, gives the
tip line, It gives an email tip line. Would encourage
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everyone to submit tips, no matter how big or small
you think they are. Try not to rule them out,
try not to filter them. Just submit them and the
investigators will do that work. But urge anybody who feels
that they witnessed anything, no matter how long ago it was,
to submit that information. Through the tip line, and again,
don't try to filter it out, don't try to vet
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it for yourself, give it, pass it along. So I
would highly encourage that. The other thing is there are
age progress photos on the website. There's I think the
original and three others. He's not seven anymore, and so
that's one thing that we try to remind folks is
that he's older. He may or may not have his
glasses right now as well, So if he is still
alive and he is out there with somebody, you know,
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we're trying to get people familiarized with those age progressed
with and without the glasses. So if they do see
a similarity that they call in that tip as well.
But the tip line that both the phone and the
email are open. They're still actively getting tips. Please continue
to submit them as much as you can.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
You can, of course call Enigma one eight hundred The
Lost one eight hundred the Lost.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
There is a fifty thousand dollars reward for information leading
to the resolution of Kiren's disappearance.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
A fifty thousand dollars reward.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Thank you for being with us joining us in the
search for Karine Horman. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
A little boy goes into school bright and early one
morning for his science project, and he's never seen again.
In the last hours, a major development in the search
for little Kyne Horman. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This
is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us in
the last days. The missing person case of a little boy,
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Kirne Horman is set to be reviewed by the FBI.
Kyraen disappeared from his own elementary school. His mother has
accused his then stepmother of being involved. But now a
fresh look on a cold case. What happened when little
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Kyne disappeared?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Which started as another school morning soon turn into a
nightmare for parents of seven year old Hyrian Horman, who
unexplicably vanished from a school science fair, A suspicious drive,
an alleged accomplice, and a murder. For higher plot, Where
is little Kyn Horman?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
This is a question that has gone through our minds
and hearts over and over and over. Joining me an
all star panel to make sense of what we are
learning about Kyn's disappearance. But first I want to go
to a very special guest. Kien's father is joining us.
Kin Horman Kane, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Hi, thanks for having me Kine.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I know you've been asked this before, specifically my police
and many many other law enforcement but could you go
back to the day that when you learn Kiren has disappeared?
Just seven years old at the time.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
Yeah, I was at work that day and came home
after I was in the office and went to walk
down to the bus stop that's down our driveway and
went down to meet him when he gets off the bus,
something we do pretty much on every day. And the
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bus came down and the door opened, and the bus
driver looked at us a little bit puzzled and had
mentioned that he was not on the bus, and that
came as a shock, and we talked to her for
a few minutes, at which time we ran back up
to the house and got in the car and went
up to the school to try to find out what
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was happening. While we were making phone calls on the way.
So it was a very shocking situation at that point
in time. And then went to the school, talked to
the teachers and faculty up there, placed the call the
nine one one, and that's when the Sheriff's office got involved.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
And just kind of evolved from there.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I'm just thinking about that trip, that frantic drive that
you made to the school came I'm projecting. I remember
I was in New York and I had just gotten
the children bathed and in their pajamas and called home
and found out my dad was on life support. Within
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about fifteen minutes through, we're out on the street, trying
to hail a cab to hopefully get a flight home,
that trek, trying to get home, trying to get.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Somewhere to get to my dad.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Will you describe those moments where you are frantically on
the phone, you're driving, You're trying to get your facts
together and find out everything you can. What was going
through your mind? What happened on that trip back to
the school.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Well, it was just a very I don't know that
I have a good description of it, very visceral.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Panic. Nothing, I mean, sheer panic.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
The one thing or one of you know, one of
the top things I think most parents fear is their
their children going missing. You want to protect them, you
want to be able to know where they are at
all times. And I was just panicked. It was just terror.
I don't remember much else. I remember just I think
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what I've you know, learned since then about trauma response,
I think that it was in just full trauma mode
at that point in time. You know, everything just looked different,
the scenery looked different. On the drive up, there just
everything racing through my mind of you know, all the
different scenarios that could play out. But it was honestly,
it was terror. I couldn't even really explain the thoughts
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at that point. It was sheer panic.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Another thing Kane Hormon guys joining us is Kyen's dad. Kane.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Many people would say it's not their fault, they just
haven't lived through it. Well, it's no big deal that
he's not on the bus, because what if he stayed
on the playground and was playing and the bus left
without him.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
What if he stayed in one of the rooms and
was doing an extra assignment.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
There's something called routine evidence evidence of routine. It would be,
for instance, if everybody got together and came here and
it's time to get hooked up to you and no, Nancy,
that has never happened. It means something. It's significant. How
did you know here and here in your head and
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your heart when he did not get off that bus
when those doors swung open. How did you know instinctively
something was very wrong. It wasn't just playing on the
playground or staying in the classroom.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Yeah, that's exactly how you describe it. Button the bus comes,
he gets off. Every day, there's y'all want to discussion around,
you know, whether or not he was at school still
or you know, other things, and he just very routine,
Like you said, I don't know that we had a
situation where he ever missed the bus up until then.
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And I'll recall him, you know, being on the playground
or in the classroom without us knowing about it. And
I think that's the main thing is usually I think
in a lot of those circumstances, if there's something after school,
you usually notified, and the school's usually really good about
doing that.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
So it was just an immediate.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Response that something's definitely off, because we either would have
heard or he'd be stepping off those bus steps right now.
So exactly what you described, it was pretty much like
clockwork every day, and that was just the one day
that it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Okay, Well you got to the school. What happened when
you got there?
Speaker 5 (06:44):
I remember trying to locate teachers. The three of us
were up there, so we were trying to locate and
ask questions about, you know, where he was at, if
he was still there, kind of the things that we
just talked about, just getting a rundown. And they had
indicated that he was not there that day, that he
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had been absent from school from the basically the beginning
of the day, which then was an additional shocks.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Oh my stars, that just makes my stomach hurt.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Your whole day, you're going about your.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Business, you're working, you're this, you're that, You're making calls,
you're sending emails the whole time. You think he's fine
at school, and he was not there.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
He was not checked in. Right when you say the
three of.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You, I can just imagine getting to the school is
still kind of drop off pick up, everything's going crazy,
and you rushing in probably to the office, going where's
kym and where is he?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Where is he? I can't find.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Anything off the bus, And then you learn he wasn't
checked in even to his very first class.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
He said, the three of you, who is with you?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
His stepmom and my daughter.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Okay, let me think this through.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
You get to the school and who was it that
told you he was never even here?
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Yeah, honestly, I don't remember. I know we had started
talking to somebody and then more people kind of gathered
around in the.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Conversation, but I don't recall who we talked to you first.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Honestly, to seven years old at the time he goes missing,
everybody thinks he is at school that day, but he's not.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
What happened that morning, Skyline Elementary School in northwest Portland,
Oregon is having their annual science fair, so the school
is opened about thirty minutes earlier than normal to allow
for parents and students to see the different projects created
by the students. Arriving at Skyline just after eight am,
Kyrine Horman and his stepmother, Terry Horman, go to his
classroom to drop off his coat and backpack. Kyrone then
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chose his stepmother his exhibit called the Red Eyed tree Frog.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
So Kyin Horman at school and at nuwell joining us
KATEXL News host of speaking freely with an.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
At newel and thank you for being with us, Annette.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
There's no question he was at school for this pre
school science fair. Now interesting. A lot of times we
don't have that distinction. This was all happening before first period,
before he goes into his homeroom.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Teacher, was this science fair? Explain?
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Yeah, that was an event in which there were a
lot of people who came from throughout the community, and
there wasn't a lot of what you would say supervision.
There were people coming in and out because there was
a science fair, and the adults who were coming in
weren't really being monitored very much.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, let's take a look at
the case of missing Karen Horman, just like the FBI
is doing now.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Came Horman with me, Kirene's dad.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So that was kind of a big morning for him
taking in the big science project. How was that morning
before he left for school? Was anything at all unusual?
Speaker 5 (10:08):
No, not from my perspective. We had talked that morning
before he went up to the school, before I went
to work.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
We talked outside.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
He came out with me to the car before I
got in and left. I told him that I loved
him to have a wonderful day at the exposition and
that I would see him after work, and we talk
all about it. So it was just another pretty much
normal day.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
What more do we know about what happened at the
school that morning?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Listen.
Speaker 9 (10:37):
Terry Hormon has raised Karen since he was an infant,
and she takes a picture of Karen standing in front
of his project, posting the photo on Facebook. The two
walk around the classes looking at other students' projects and
see many other parents and children who have arrived early
for the science fair. Terry Hormon volunteers her time helping
Karen's teacher, Christina Porter, and Porter sees Karen and Terry
Hormon and Kiren's classroom that morning, and another teacher sees
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Karen Terry in another classroom before the eight forty five
am school bell rings.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Caine Horman explain to me your understanding of what happened
that morning at the science Expo and how many times
he was signed. I mean, I see the picture, I
know he was there, but now I'm hearing he was
in another classroom.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
What's your understanding of his movements that morning?
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Yeah, So based on what I understand, again, this is
what I remember being told that they arrived at the school,
that they went to the classroom where his project was
on display. That's the photo that we've all seen already.
With him standing in front. I did see that photo
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later that day on our camera as well. There was
a couple other pictures of other things in the room
from what I remember, So they did look at some
other projects in the room again from what I recall,
and then there was a description of them walking to
other classrooms and looking at other projects in those rooms.
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I don't remember. I don't recall which teacher it was
that they went into. I think they went in the
multiple rooms from what I remember and what I was told.
And then then there was a discussion about them parting
ways up in the hall by the office, and he
supposedly walked down the hall back towards his classroom and
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she left the building again according to what I was told.
I don't know for a fact what happened, but that
that's what I remember as the kind of the described
overview of what happened there. And again I did see
photos of the classroom in a few others, but that's
what I remember.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Okay, I'm understanding something. Really.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
For the first time, this expo wasn't in one big
room like the gymnasium or the auditorium. This was it
was in different classrooms, so you would walk from class
aassroom to classroom looking at various other projects, you know,
sizing up yours compared to them. Did anybody have a
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really great idea or really bad idea? You could talk
about it at the supper table that night. So they
Kyra specifically and the stepmom are going from room to
room looking at the projects. Is that correct? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:24):
From my understanding, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yes, Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I find that very significant because it's not a group
of people in one gymnasium, one gym with all the
projects and fifty people, one hundred people seeing Kiren. He's
walking from room to room.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
In and out. Everybody's milling around looking.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Parents are there from all over looking at their children's
science projects. It's easy to get lost in the shuffle.
It's you know, you might as well be walking through
Greend Central Station. There's a million kids running around. There's
parents that don't really know each other. Who knows what happened?
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Who can really get a good grip on the last
time Tyron is sane.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's not like he disappeared off the bus. He was there.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
He was there, guys, What more do we know about
that morning?
Speaker 7 (14:24):
Listen as Terry Horman leaves the school, she sees Kyron
walking down a hallway toward his classroom inside Skyline Elementary.
Kyne has already placed his book bag and coat in
Miss Porter's classroom when he first arrived for the science fair.
Miss Porter starts her class like every day. Then the
children moved to reading group, than recess, than lunch. Around
three pm, the children, tired from a busy day, get
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on the bus to go home.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Where is Kyne?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
You think when you take a child to school everything
is safe and sound. Not in this case, joining me
an all star panel, but straight back to Kyrin's father,
Kane Hormon joining us Cain, what did stepmom Terry tell
you about what happened?
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yeah, so it was we talked about the going to
the room at the school, doing the photos, walking around
the different rooms. I actually do recall after thinking about
it a little bit more, I think it was this
first grade teacher that they saw in his room. And
one of the interesting things about the schools there is
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an upstairs and the downstairs with classrooms, which I guess
I didn't mention before. So she had talked about starting
in the upstairs rooms and to ring the science projects
in those rooms, then going downstairs and viewing the projects
there and then. And it's been a while, my memory
may not be what it used to be, but for
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some reason I remember her talking about them separating and
meeting because there's different stairwells to go back up to
the upper level where they went back up to the
upper level and met near the office, and that's where
they parted, and she saw or talked about him walking
down the hallway back to his class.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I don't recall her.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Saying she saw him doing that, that they met there
and then separated at that point in the school. It's
kind of a central the office is kind of a
central spot in the upstairs. And then she went and
did some of her daily things that she had on
her list from the school.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
So that was the last time.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
That she had said that she had saw him was
in that central meeting place by the office.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And that's the teacher to whom you're referring.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
The teacher the names escaping me at the moment, I apologize.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
That's okay.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
I just want to make sure you're talking about the
teacher says she saw him in that central area and
she took off to go do all her duties right, No,
I don't recall a teacher saying that that's what I
was told by his stepmom is that they met up
there and separated there. Gotcha now, I understand. Also to
a mule joining us Kate x L news that at
(17:00):
least one person saw stepmother Terry leaving the building. How
do we know what time she left? Did she leave alone?
Who is confirming that?
Speaker 8 (17:14):
Actually that information came from the mother of Kiren. She
said that there were several witnesses who have told her
that they did witness him leaving in a truck with
a stepmother. So that's basically where that information came from.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Speaking of Kyen's mother, Desiree, listen.
Speaker 10 (17:34):
The investigation continues to be on track and is progressing
toward finding Kyen. We remain confident in the actions and
constant commitment of law enforcement in the mission to find
our son.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
We love you, Kiren, never give up hope. We are
all coming to get you, to bring you home.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Back to Caine Horman, Cain, did Terry ever mentioned to
you leaving the school with Kiren?
Speaker 4 (18:06):
No, not in any conversation that we had.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
What do you know about potential witnesses that say they
observed her leaving with him.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Personally, I have no first hand account of anybody having
seen him in the parking lot or her or them
leaving together. I've heard a lot of second hand information
that there. There's a number of different accounts. There's accounts
of people seeing all three of them leaving because my
(18:36):
daughter was with her as well. There's accounts of seeing
him by himself in the parking lot and getting into vehicles.
I've heard different kinds of vehicles, not just a truck,
and I've heard, you know, other other accounts of people
witnessing her leaving the school by herself.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
I haven't heard any directly, so that's it's all second
had information. I apologize, but I don't have any firsthand
witness accounts that have been dictated to me personally in
that instance. But it's been a little bit of everything.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
To be honest, Nor do I in fact me reports
state the step mom leaves without him, that she's observed
leaving without him.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
How many times.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I can I ask you, Kane, did you go over
it and over it and over it with stepmom Terry many.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Many times exhaustively. There was a lot of discussion that
was occurring posts, the interaction with with the folks at
the school and then with law enforcement, and it was
pretty much a daily thing trying to walk through, you know,
who they saw, recount the steps, making sure that One
(19:55):
of my biggest concerns was, you know, did they actually
meet up in part ways at the office, did really
ever get firsthand information that confirmed their party at that location.
So there was just a lot of conversation about trying
to understand exactly what happened, where it happened, how it happened,
and then including after as well.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
So there was a lot.
Speaker 11 (20:18):
Kien, who was seven years old, disappeared from Skyline Elementary
School in northwest Portland.
Speaker 12 (20:24):
From day one, the Molnoma County Sheriff's Office has worked
in close partnership with the Molnoma County District Attorney's Office,
the FBI, and other agencies to find Kyron.
Speaker 11 (20:35):
As parents, we can't imagine the pain and struggle Kyen's
family has experienced and continues to experience without him.
Speaker 12 (20:42):
And that's why we have never given up or slowed
down and trying to find Kyron.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
In the last days, the FBI is set to take
a fresh look at the case of a missing boy.
Kyron Horman Guys with me is Kyn's father, Kane Jarre
Farentino joining US renowned former prosecutor, host of True crime
Boss Jarrett.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
It seems to me that we understand the timeline very well.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Caine has filled it out for us.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I understand everything up until the point the stepmother leaves.
That's when things begin to get Mrquis agree or disagree?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I agree one percent.
Speaker 13 (21:29):
It's not clear whether or not Kyn left the building
with her, although Terry, the stepmom, claims she left. I
run at school, heading toward his classroom and she left
with their little girl.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
That is the golden moment as case.
Speaker 13 (21:47):
Really began, Nancy, and there's some discrepancy in Terry's story
and how things played out.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Dany Corsentino, former police chief and former sheriff, also served
on US Homeland Security Scene Advisory Board now PI at
Dancorsantino dot com. Dan, right there, I'm telling you, that
is the critical moment, the critical moment when suddenly nobody's sure,
what where, where did he go that way or that way?
(22:16):
Was the stepmom with him not with him? That is
where the problem lies. Right there.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
You've seen it a million times.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
You've been a sheriff, you've been a police sheep, you've
been on homeland security. Right there, when the stories begin
to go in different directions. Everything's going along. Normally, Dad
leaves for work, everything's fine.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
They get to the school, they make it to the
science fair.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
But it suddenly when Stepmommy leaves, that's when everything hits
the fan.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Dan Corsentino, absolutely, that was the defining moment, that was
the beginning of the journey in the Sad Sad case.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
But it is really really.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Interesting about this is the comfort level that kyn had
and who he had the comfort level with, And there
was only one person on that particular morning when he
was at the school with Terry, that was the person
he had a comfort level with. Obviously teachers, students and everything.
(23:24):
But unless this was a stranger abduction, which I don't
think it was, that was individual that he had the
comfort level with. And everything changed as her story continues
to change.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You know, he just mentioned something really important to be
in Coursentino, you said, unless this was a stranger abduction,
let's just talk about the reality of that possibility.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Docter Sherry Schwartz joining me.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
She is a forensic psychologist and her specialty is criminal behavior.
She's the author of Criminal Behavior and Where Law and
Psychology intersect.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Doctor Sherry Schwartz, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
That is not a possibility that there was a stranger
abduction in the middle of the elementary school science fair. Okay,
the science fair was ending, the eight forty five bail
was going off for everyone to go to class. What stranger,
what who? No stranger is in that building. Everyone is
(24:28):
dispersing and leaving. The only one there where the story
goes sideways is with the stepmother, doctor Sherry Schwartz.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 14 (24:38):
She's the last one that was seen with Kiren, and
Kiren hasn't been seen since. And when people use words
like retaliation when we're talking about a missing child, they're
missing stepchild that they've known since an infant, every alarm
in my brain goes off, every alarm. You're right, doctor
(25:00):
Sherry Schwartz.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
As a matter of fact, let's take a listen to
stepmom Terry on our friend doctor Field's program.
Speaker 15 (25:10):
This was in retaliation for something that he was doing
that I found out about while this is happening, and
this particular person was actually his friend and sent to
the house.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
So this was a setup.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Okay, yeah, a setup retaliation. What is she even talking about?
Listen to more of the stepmom speaking to our friend
doctor Phil.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Well, that would be because the.
Speaker 15 (25:39):
Law enforcement told us to go to do what we
told us to do, things that we normally do. So
they want you to go grocery shopping, they want you
to go to the gym. They specifically told both Cana
and I, and he was with me that day when
we went.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Okay, what she's talking about, because she'd possibly be talking
about the X rated photos she's sending a lover within
just days after Kyne disappearing.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I mean, Caine, I don't know what you went through.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I thought I knew everything about grief when my fiance
was murdered. I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep, I could
barely speak. I couldn't stand to hear music or TV
or radio or even the clock ticking. I would vomit
and vomit. I couldn't keep anything on my stomach. The
last thing I could have thought about is sending X
(26:33):
rated photos of myself to some guy. I mean that's
just not where your head is at a time like that.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
The first thing that I wanted to do was to
cooperate with law enforcement as much as possible. And when
I wasn't doing that, I was sitting in another room,
staring at the floor and praying. For the first couple
of days. I think I slept for maybe twenty minutes.
The night that he went missing, we had a house
full of law enforcement. One of the sheriff's officers that
(27:02):
I had gotten to know over that period of time
sat across from me in the room, and I think
I might have k notted off for twenty minutes. Maybe
everything was do everything possible, as fast as possible, whatever
we needed to do, And it was just being ready
and available to go through the process that they conduct,
through the investigation as much as we could. Like I said,
(27:26):
when I wasn't doing that, I was basically sitting there
crying for the first and that was the first few days.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
It was.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
The grief was overwhelming, and at the same time, like
we talked about in the ride up to the school,
in my brain was just frantically trying to figure out,
you know, what could we possibly be doing? Is this
real it's still just really hadn't sunk in all the way,
but it had at the same time. I don't know
if that makes any sense, but just mulling over everything.
(27:54):
But yeah, I don't remember sleeping that much for the
first week, if not longer, because we were in the
middle of the investigation. We were being investigated in all
the interviews and everything else that we were trying to
get through. I mean, I was not on social media
at all that I recall. I don't even recall cracking
a laptop. I don't remember being on my phone. I
(28:16):
just remember working with the team as much as humanly
possible to make progress on finding him. So the things
that you're describing to me completely foreign to me at
that time, and still.
Speaker 11 (28:29):
It just.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Sorry, I don't know how it's answered. It was just
it was a very intense period of time. I have
no idea how anyone would be on that mindset.
Speaker 16 (28:39):
Terry alleges she drove along country roads to sooth daughter
Kiera's erich the morning of Kyron's disappearance. Terry's friend Deetie
allegedly rushes out of work at the same time as
Terry's drive after receiving a mysterious phone call her whereabouts
during this time are unknown Witnesses at the school report
(29:00):
unidentified man in a white pickup truck at the science fair,
but his identity remains a mystery.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Guys, there's so much misdirection going on right here, so
much misdirection. To Annette and Newell joining us Kate Exale
news host Annette again, thank you for being with us.
That parking lot was likely full of parents leaving leaving
(29:27):
the science fair, but you are telling me evidence has
emerged of at least one witness seeing the stepmother leaving
with Tyrone.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Is that correct?
Speaker 8 (29:42):
They were seen out in front of the school by
one of Kyron's friends, his grandma and sister, as well
as his bus driver. They were walking out to the
main road, which is where the truck was parked. That
witnesses saw Terry and kyn leaving the school together that
morning and heading toward their truck. According to Quinna all So,
Terry said that she drove around town that day, stopping
(30:03):
at the two grocery stores to get medicine for her daughter,
who wasn't feeling well. Then police found that Terry's phone
pained her own Highway thirty north of Portland and that
time period.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Now you're telling me that she in the vehicle in
the truck, was bought it at not one, but at
least two grocery stores. Could the video be highlighted enhanced
to say if Colin was in the car at that time.
Speaker 8 (30:30):
That's something that they tried to do a bunch of
times and they couldn't conclusively tell whether he was in
the car.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And that video depicting the stepmother going to at least
two grocery stores, was that immediately upon her leaving the school.
Speaker 8 (30:45):
Yeah, they do think it fit the timeline of what
she was talking about, although there was some other time
that they weren't sure if they could definitely connect what
she was saying she did versus what she did. But
they did find that there was some video of her
from surveillance cameras in that area that did show her
(31:06):
and show her.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
In the truck.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What happened to Karen Horman?
Can the FBI find answers? Well, this is what we
know so far. The pinging of her cell phone explained
to me where her cell phone pained.
Speaker 8 (31:30):
Yeah, it was an area north Portland, not far from
the school around Highway thirty, which runs north of Portland,
and that was after she'd spent time driving her daughter around.
She said she was driving in that area to settle
her daughter down. Is what she told police when they
asked why she was why the phone was paying around
(31:53):
in that area.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
To Kane Horman, this is Kyen's dad.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
When you asked her what had happened that morning, she
describe this circuitous route, driving around with the daughter in
the car to help her earache.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Yes she did. She talked about the retailers she stopped at.
I want to say there was a gem stop. Again,
I don't recall, it's been a while, but she did
outline that. She outlined a few of the country roads
that they were driving on. She wasn't overly specific about
which ones. There was a few she talked about, but
after that it was just driving around. But yeah, I
was familiar with that kind of.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Timetable family and investigators suspect this was no accident. Stepmom
Terry maintains her innocence. As the Horman family continues, they're
desperate search for answers.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
We know the stepmother has never been formally charged, and
Karen Horman's disappearance. She has become the target of public suspicion.
But there seems to be a chain of alleged misconduct
really since the moment goes missing. Now to you, doctor
(33:02):
Sherry Schwartz, I know that everyone reacts differently to pain
or suffering, or loss or even stress, but this series
of alleged misconduct does not.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Vode well, doctor Siri, not at all.
Speaker 14 (33:21):
And this isn't to me. This isn't anything that would
constitute a trauma response or a grief response. This is
very specific behavior. She's talking about retaliation against Kirne's dad.
She is saying things like the police told her things
like to go to the gym.
Speaker 12 (33:42):
Now.
Speaker 14 (33:42):
I don't know if they did or they didn't, but
I would find that very strange because most parents are
out looking. And also, Nancy, if I lost somebody's sunglasses
that didn't belong to me, I'd be scouring the neighborhood
to find out where did I leave them, let alone
losing someone child.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I also understand that Terry Lynn Moulton formerly Terry Horman,
faced grand theft firearm charges stemming from an incident in Marysville, California,
regarding a stolen gun. It's just like one thing after
the next and again she is not Ever, she's never
(34:22):
been named a suspect, a formal suspect in the disappearance
of Kiren. You know, Caine, you earlier mentioned that you
and the whole family were being investigated. That's SOP standard
operating procedure. When someone goes missing, the first place police.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Look, as they should, is at.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
The family members, particularly the male members. Statistically, that's typically
who did it? Tell me about being the target of
an investigation yourself while your son is missing?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
What was that like?
Speaker 5 (35:01):
The only way I can describe it is is it
was something that we that I needed to do. I
knew I didn't have any involvement.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I knew that really at that point it wasn't about me,
is really.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
All I can say is about him, And I did
everything I was asked to do as fast and quickly
and urgently as possible to clear myself in the investigation
because I wanted them to be focused on who did it.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
So it was I just I don't know. I set aside.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
There was not really a lot of emotions from me
on that front, other than they indicated the process and
my job was to clear the process, and that's absolutely
what I wanted to do, and again as urgently as possible.
The focus was on him, finding him as quickly as possible.
It really didn't have to do with me as far
as how I felt about what was happening. It was
just what I needed to do as his parent to
(35:52):
help him get recovered as early as possible. So it
was basically my mission to do every and anything asked
to clear that process and continue to move forward. So
it was a lot less about emotion at that point.
I know, I described the first couple like twenty four
to forty eight hours just being kind of unresponsive unless
I was being interviewed with investigators, crying and all that stuff.
(36:15):
And as we started to get further into the process,
I kind of have the set that aside and become
more focused on what needed to be done, the task
that needed to be done, and not being emotional about
how I felt. At that particular point in time I
missed him. I was frantic, but at the same time
I needed them to focus on who actually did this.
So it was about clearing. It was one hundred percent
(36:36):
just about clearing everything that I needed to clear so
we could stay focused on him.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I don't even know words to describe what I think
you've been through.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
But now, what.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Is your message to anybody out there that may know
anything about Tyron?
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Well, first and foremost, if you're still out there, we're
still looking for you. So I will always lead with that.
No one's given up. We are still looking. We haven't
given up. We love you, we miss you. We are
still active, the investigations active, We're still looking to everyone
out there. Keep recording tips. We have tips coming in
(37:19):
through the phone still to this day, lots on email.
There's a website that I'm sure that you guys will
have the information for that the Sheriff's office has put
up now. In addition to the one that we've put
up for the past fourteen years, they recently put up
a new one that gives a rough timeline, gives the
tip line, It gives an email tip line. Would encourage
(37:42):
everyone to submit tips, no matter how big or small
you think they are. Try not to rule them out,
try not to filter them. Just submit them and the
investigators will do that work. But urge anybody who feels
that they witnessed anything, no matter how long ago it was,
to submit that information. Through the tip line, and again,
don't try to filter it out, don't try to vet
(38:04):
it for yourself, give it, pass it along. So I
would highly encourage that. The other thing is there are
age progress photos on the website. There's I think the
original and three others. He's not seven anymore, and so
that's one thing that we try to remind folks is
that he's older. He may or may not have his
glasses right now as well, So if he is still
alive and he is out there with somebody, you know,
(38:26):
we're trying to get people familiarized with those age progressed
with and without the glasses. So if they do see
a similarity that they call in that tip as well.
But the tip line that both the phone and the
email are open. They're still actively getting tips. Please continue
to submit them as much as you can.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
You can, of course call Enigma one eight hundred The
Lost one eight hundred the Lost.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
There is a fifty thousand dollars reward for information leading
to the resolution of Kiren's disappearance.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
A fifty thousand dollars reward.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Thank you for being with us joining us in the
search for Karine Horman. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Host
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