August 24, 2025 • 41 mins
Jaclyn Diiorio, 26, a hairstylist, and her police officer boyfriend broke up after dating for nearly a year.
The relationship had been contentious, with both filing protective orders. After the breakup, Diiorio began dating again and turned to Tinder.
During conversations with a match, Diiorio said she wanted her ex dead and asked if he could carry it out, noting that her ex was a Philadelphia police officer.
The Tinder date was a police informant and contacted county prosecutors. Detectives notified Philadelphia police, who then informed the officer and identified him as the target. The officer told investigators he met Diiorio when she cut his hair.
Authorities arrested Diiorio in Gloucester Township, New Jersey, after the informant reported that she offered him $12,000 to kill her ex and his 19-year-old daughter.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Greg Morse - of Morse Legal; Current CJA Counsel (Southern District of Florida); Former West Palm Beach Public Defender’s Office; Author: “The Untested”
- Dr. Shari Schwartz - Forensic Psychologist (specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy), Author: "Criminal Behavior" and "Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology;" X: @TrialDoc
- John Pizzuro - Former New Jersey State Police Investigator, Currently the CEO of RAVEN, an organization focused on eliminating child exploitation and trafficking
- Baron Li - Shot nine times by teenage hitmen hired by his ex-wife: Now, he channels his second chance at life into powerful advocacy for father’s rights and foster care. Socials: FB/Insta/TikTok @baronbli.ckmd YT: @RealAsian50Cent,
- Rodrigo Torrejón - Crime and Courts Reporter at The Philadelphia Inquirer; X/Twitter: @rodrigotorrejon, Instagram: @rodtorrejon
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Did a scorned hairstylist hire a hit man on Tender
of all places to brutally assassinate her ex boyfriend and,
wait for it.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
His teen daughter?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
This according to cops. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
A New Jersey woman is accused of attempting to hire
a hitman off popular dating app Tender.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Could this be?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Did the scorned hairstylist want revenge so badly she wanted
to assassinate her ex boyfriend and his teen daughter? How
did the teen daughter get roped into this? You know,
I've got an all star panel to make sense of
what we know right now. But joining me in addition
to an all star panel is a very special guest.
(01:00):
This is a man, a former husband, a father, who
endured a hit shot nine times when his ex wife
wanted to gain control of money that was meant to
raise their son. Joining me, Baron Lee, shot nine times,
(01:24):
all ordered by your wife. Now, I've always been amazed, Baron.
If I may call you that, I feel.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Like I know you. We've discussed your case.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I've talked to you and thought about you so many
times since the incident. What went through your mind as
you were lying there?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm sure you can.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Process all of the facts that here you were just
out in the parking lot, minding your own business. And
why you, of all people, why were you assailed by
unknown guys and shot nine times?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
What went through your mind?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I realized diet at gaining moment, and then I was wondering,
you know who? Actually, at the time I knew who
who was ordering a hit on me. I just didn't
know who the shooter was at the time.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I mean, you were shot point blank. I will never
forget it. All in a bid by your ex wife
to gain control of that money set aside to help
raise your son. How has your son reacted to what
happened to you, Baron?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Well, my son's non mobile, nonverbal, so fortunately he doesn't
have a trauma to deal with like other kids would
have had to, so he has no idea what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
You know what, Thank goodness that this did not weigh
on his mind on top of everything else, and that
was a considerable amount of money to help raise him
to secure his future, which he is going to need.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Why did she do it? Baron?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
H You know, I asked myself that every single day,
I just say appears to it is what comes down.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
To guys, A guy that lived through a similar hit.
But to the.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Case in chief, baron, don't move. I want your take
on this. First of all, take a listen. They were
together for approximately a year and there was clearly problems
in the relationship.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
During the detention here in Camden County, Assistant Prosecutor David
Deets outlined a screenshot of a text message where Diorio
negotiates the price for the hit. Another text message has
the defendant discussing a prior attempt to hire someone to
kill her. Ex recorded conversation between Diorio and the informant
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was also submitted.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
That from our friends at CBS News three, joining me
as I said an all star panel straight out to
Rodrigo terrehone Crime and Course reporter at the Philly Inquirer, Rodriguo,
thank you for being with us. How did this whole
thing start? It's my understanding that the would be killer
is a scorned hairstylist, and we heard Elliot the get
(03:59):
Go say there were problems in the relationship, but Rodrigue,
their problems in every relationship. My husband as I like
to say my current husband and I never had an
argument until we had the twins, and then we immediately
started arguing about how they would be raised. Practically every decision,
what time to go to bed, how many bottles would
you go in?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The bottle? You name it?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Okay, and that goes on today. That's our sole source
of argument, what is best.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
For our children. So, yes, every relationship has ups and downs, but.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Really, prosecutors say that the relationship, like the Comic County
prosecutor mentioned earlier, between Jacqueline the Orio and Officer o'hanlan,
started around a year ago and quickly turned pretty volatile.
You know, there was a few months that seemed like
the relationship was going and around August there was an
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allegation of restraining order that was filed by the officer
against So things turns sour relatively quickly. The next month,
the officer reported that his house was damaged by a
Molotov cocktail that was thrown at it. There has not
been any sort of clear link between the extra sold on.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Just a second, Tetahan, you're putting the cart before the horse.
I got to get into it, Okay, I know about
the Molotov I know about the beginning of the relationship,
but what I don't know about is the intricacies of
that relationship.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
What went wrong? Why did they break up? Why couldn't
she just move on?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
As my grandmother said, meant no offense to you, of course, Rodrigo,
that men are like buses. Anyone will come along every
fifteen minutes. So why does she fixate so much on
the boyfriend to the extent she wanted him dead and
wanted his teen daughter dead too. Did that come about, Rodrigo?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Yeah, so that's unclear. Still, like I said, there was
a few months where everything seemed to be going smoothly,
and from one month to another there was some sort
of volatility between them, some sort of intention to say
the least, and there was a restraining order filed by
the officer against the oreo, and the attorney for the
oreo later said that there was also a restraining order
(06:25):
that she filed against.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
Him that was later withdrawn.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
So there's straight out to Greg Moores following up on
what Rodrigo Tara Han just said. Greg Moore's high profile
lawyer joining us a Morse legal currently.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Counsel to the SEI. A. Well, you've got.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Your hands full, Greg, dueling tros down'd you just love that?
And of course I'm being sarcastic when a real victim
comes into court for a temporary restraining order and what
is the other one.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
To race back in to go? Uhh, I'm not a fault.
It's them all of this going on.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
When I see dueling restraining orders, that's a bad sign.
It's not going to get any better, Greg Morse, Dueling.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
Tros are a defense lawyer's dream. It means both people
are claiming to be victims, both people are claiming to
be the abuser. It shows a history of back and forth.
So this is a volatile relationship from both folks in
this situation.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You know, my guess is they There is no evidence
that the victim was volatile.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
The victim was a cop, by the way. But that said, he's.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Not the one that ordered a hit according to police,
he's not the one that went on Tender, a dating
site if you want to.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Call it that. That's a hookup site, that's what that is.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But that said, he didn't go on Tender and pretend
he was looking for.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
A date and goes, oh, by the way, can you
meet me.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
At wah Wah's Grocery so I can pay you to
shoot my ex. That wasn't him, that's her Moores, So
don't tune up. First thing, I ask you about tros
and you try to say it's the victim's fault.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Does it never end with you?
Speaker 7 (08:17):
No, it's not that they're both victims. They both had tros,
and people withdraw them all the time because they get
back together and then they have them all to would
the victim?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Could you just explain what maybe you know? Let me
direct you to Webster's Dictionary. And I don't mean online,
you need the hard copy.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
What do you think victim means? How is she a victim?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
He goes to get a tro and she's like, race,
this is to the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I'm first, I'm first judged. Call me first. How is
she the victim? He broke up with her.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And she could stand it in order to hint to
kill him.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Have you ever been to a murder scene?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Have you smelled and coagulated blood? Because I have, and
I hope I never do again.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
That's what she wanted.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
I've been to quite a few and have gotten plenty
of not guilty. The murder cases we have in this case.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
How you managed to merge a dead body with you
getting a not guilty. Excuse me, Jackie, could you toot
his horn for him? No, he's doing that himself.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
You are asking you about how he's the thing she
wanted him dead on the ground with his team dead.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Nancy, you have a cl on their own for four days,
creating this story. Potentially the defense has something to work
with here. When have you ever heard of a CI
doing their own kind of case on Tinder and then
all of a sudden going to the police four days later.
That creates opportunities?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Okay, Well, you know I got a wonderful answer for you. Okay,
and her name as Dahlia Dippolito. Are you actually asking
me how does a CI confidential? You know, I'm not
impressed by you throwing around cop talk. Everybody that's watching
(10:12):
crime stories knows CI is a confidential informant. But thank
you for trying. Okay, Next, what are you going to
throw a Latin phrase at me that said.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
You're looking at Are you usual.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
For a CI to go online to traffic killer? Because
it's not is that what you're saying?
Speaker 7 (10:31):
No, but it doesn't seem like from the police report
that the police were involved in this the first four days.
So what they have a meeting in a day?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
God, they did get involved.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
No, put your feet to the fire, Morse, because you
said what CI, which is an arm of LA law
enforcement goes online to traffic killer?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Who would do that? Hey? Listen to this? Do you
(11:24):
know how many times I've watched that?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And there's a longer version two, which I will absolutely play. Okay,
Dahlia Dippolito hires a hitman to murder her husband, and
as in this case with the Molotov cocktail that Rodrigo
Tetahan was telling us about and prior attempts, it wasn't
her first try.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
According to Ellie, she tried to poison her husband in
a Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I'm not even going to mention that she was a hooker, okay,
because that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Before she got married and he took her away from
all that.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Anyway, they stinger, Why did they stinger because they had
l E law enforcement as the would be assassin. Same
thing as here, and Morrise, you're acting like you've never
heard anything like it, Like it's a big entrapment to
John Pizzorro, former in New Jersey State Police investigator twenty
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five years.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
You know, there's a lot going down in New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Homicide, organized crime, cartels, commander of the Internet, crimes against children,
It goes on and on. Currently, CEO of RAVEN focused
on eliminating child exploitation and trafficking.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
John, you've certainly seen it all.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
But did you happen to hear Greg Morris, who is
a veteran defense attorney, as he so timidly put forth,
I've won a lot of cases, he says, did you
hear him say how odd it is for elie law enforcement,
an agent a CI to be part of a sting.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I mean, who is this woman going to hire to
kill her ex? Ann?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Will you priest a virgin? No, somebody that acts like
a hitman.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
Yeah, we use them all the time. I mean informants.
And by the way, I love the entrapment argument because
that's the first thing defense counsel does, entrapment. But the
reality is, I can't tell you how many times people
actually came up to us, you know, in an undercover capacity,
and to hire a hit person. I mean, the only
difference between years ago today is that there's apps to
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do it where you don't have to go to the
Yellow Pages. Is a little easier just to ask someone
to do something.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Jacqueline Diorio is a twenty six year old New Jersey
woman accused of attempting to murder her cop ex boyfriend
by hiring a hit man off Tinder.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
We know these two love birds.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Met when the defendant, the suspect, the hairstylist, was actually
doing the victim's hair.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
That's how they met. Let's see what more we know. Listen.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Jacqueline Diorio, twenty six, lives in run A Meede, New Jersey,
making her living as a barber. She hits it off
with one of her clients, a police officer twice her age.
They began dating. Their relationship lasts just over a year,
but not without problems. Problems so bad that Diorio asked
for and got a restraining order put in place. She
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later dropped the complaint. After the breakup, Diorio started looking
at dating apps, specifically Tender. A match is made and
Diorio makes plans to meet her new friend for the
first time at.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
A wall wall.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
They exchange numbers and communicate through text messages and phone calls.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Okay to you, John Pizzorro, former New Jersey State Police
twenty five years Wow, okay, Pisorro. I've heard of first dates,
and I always advise people when you meet online, you
should meet somewhere public.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
But wah waws. That should have been a tip off
right there.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
My sister and Philly used to live in a building
on top at the bottom of the building.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It was in grad towers at the Wharton School. There
was a wah wah.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I mean, that's not really a romantic setting for your
first date, is it?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Was that a tip off? I mean, wahwas Well, it.
Speaker 8 (15:26):
Is Tinder, Nancy, so I mean, you know, and there
is a lot of wildwaws in New Jersey, so I
guess the old Starbucks is out these days, you know too.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Doctor Sherry Schwartz now joining us. She's been chomping at
the bit hearing all of this. She's a forensic psychologist
and she specializes in capital mitigation and victim advocacy, and
you can find her at panthermitigation dot com. She's the
author of Criminal Behavior and the one I like the best,
where law and psychology Intersecty Schwartz, I mean, this could
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be a total case study for you, because, for instance,
what led up, what fueled the hatred and this hairstylist
heart that she wanted not only her boyfriend for Pete's saint.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
They're not even married.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
They don't even have to divide property, they don't have
to fight over custody.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
They don't have to decide who gets the pots.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And pans and who gets the crock pot, none of that.
But it's so contentious she wants him dead and not
just thinking, doctor Sherry, oh, I could just kill him,
not that actually going online, in hiring someone to commit
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double murder and on a teen girl, a little girl.
What is that, Doctor Sherry.
Speaker 9 (16:52):
It's pure unadulterated hatred, fueled by the fact that it
seems like he broke up with her. The relationship was volatile,
he didn't want to have a relationship with her anymore,
and it sounds like she probably arrived at the conclusion
that if I can't.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
Have you, nobody will.
Speaker 9 (17:11):
I don't understand why his teenage daughter had to be
involved in that unless she thought it was possible the
teenage daughter could later identify that she would be the
one trying to have him murdered. But this is somebody
who has no regard for human life.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Guys. What happens?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
They start up a romantic relationship, it goes sour, they
break up, She files for Tiroro and then almost immediately
drops it.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
What was that about? Was that a way to play
the system? But it progresses.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Listen During the Oreo's text conversation with her tender date,
she reveals she's not really looking for love, but rather
a hitman.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
And imp who was working with a longer and say
they recently met a female wanted beating at Tinder. The
female and entered by herself to the informant as d Well,
which was later identified as the defendants tender name defend
The informant then met at a lawa and running Meat.
Subsequently defendant any informant exchange the numbrous text messages and
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phone calls.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
During these text.
Speaker 10 (18:19):
Messages and phone call conversations, that's defendant and totally informant
that she wanted.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
Her to ex boyfriend kill.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I'm trying to figure out when love turns into hate,
and when hate turns in to the desire for murder,
and when that desire leads you to commit and act.
Now to Greg Morris joining me, who has won a
lot of cases. Is named partner at Morse Legal and
also current counsel to the CIA Greg and an attempt case,
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an attempted murder or an attempted anything. There are very
often conspiracy charges. A conspiracy cannot be, as you and
I have argued in court many times, unless you have
an overt act. I could sit around all day and think, Oh,
I want to kill Greg Morris so bad.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
How would I do it? What would I do?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's just wishful thinking, that's daydreaming talking about it doesn't
rise to conspiracy. But you must have an overt ov
ert act in order to.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Prove your case.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
And here that overt act is going on tender, meeting
someone but still not enough, but then persuading him to
do a hit. There's your overt act right there. In
a conspiracy charge.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Well, there is an overt act there. However, again, those
first four days, when she's interacting with this guy on
tender and they're talking, that leaves a lot of room
for argument for the defense, just like they seem to
be indicating. It's not something that and you know this
God becomes a CI after the four days, not before,
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and that creates opportunity. You also can argue the five
hundred dollars it's no word ask although paying for a
Hittman on layaway as odd, but that seems to be
what the prosecution is alleging here.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You know, Greg Morris, when you say that leaves a
lot of wiggle room. Can we just get real about
what you're arguing. I believe trying to read the tea
leaves of what you just said that you're trying to
argue that it was the informant's idea that we can
somehow claim entrapment.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
In other words, she would never have.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Come up with a plot to murder her ex and
his teen daughter but for the CI luring her into it.
That's what entrapment means. I would never have done this
except the cops planned it. They lured me in, and
now they're prosecuting me. I would never have done this
on my own. That is what entrapment is. Are you
trying to blame the CI the confidential informant?
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Well, the defense has to do something in this case,
and like it out there, there was a.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Little storing there. When you're trying to come up with the.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Argument, what listen, this is you have four days of
a civilian being on their own and then they go
to the police and say, hey, this lady wants to
kill her husband. Who knows what that guy's trying to
work off in his past or why he presented himself
to the police to be used. But as far as
all accounts, Nancy, this guy was a civilian like you
and I for four dates. He packaged this and then
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brought it over to the law enforcement. So yeah, I
would live and die in those four or eight days
as a defense lawyer.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And you know, you got a little problem, Greg Morris,
you got a little tiny eight c C fly in
the ointment. Here's the problem, Rodrigo Tetrahan. Isn't it true
that the defendant actually wrote texts to the CI that
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prove what she wants. It's not just his word against hers.
She wrote texts.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
They're clearly from her phone about the hit.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Yes, the prosecutors at the last hearing did read back
text messages between the CI and the Oreo where Diorio
allegedly goes over.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Proof.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
She asked for proof because, in her own words, she
said that she had been sent fake pictures before, which
alludes to prior attempts to carry out this hit.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
She gives me, I.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Just choked just a tiny bit white white. Hold on,
Can I see Greg Morris right now? As Rodrigo? Okay,
could you repeat that, Rodrigo? What you just said? She
said what in her text to the confidential informant.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Prosecutors read text between the CI and Diorio where she
mentions that she needs hard proof for this hit that
she wants carried out and alludes to having been sent
fake pictures in a prior attempt. This is of course
through text messages that were read out in court at
the detention hearing two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Out that's got to hurt Morse.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
That really has to hurt She's sending him text describe
me how a previous hit man failed her and burned
her by sending her fake photos.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Of the hit.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Well, people become defendants because they're not that bright. However,
people text a lot of things. It doesn't mean they're
going to act on it. In the news right now,
is NFL Hall of Famer Shannon Sharp. He have some
negative texts in the lawsuit against him, and he wasn't
going to He said, I wasn't going to joke anybody.
So people text a lot of things, you know, so
you have to look at that and try to turn
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that around as a bluster and just talking.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
A woman from New Jersey attempted to hire a hitman
off Tinder to kill both her cop ex boyfriend and
his nineteen year old daughter. Were just twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Joining me in All Star panel. We've been going back and.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Forth with Greg Morse about his theory that it's all
the CI Confidential Informant's fault, that this woman hair stylist,
scorned lover really would never have ordered a hit on
her boyfriend if not for the CI alluring her into it.
But those text messages that she sent the CI that
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she met at wahwaz on a date.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
When he gets so, she goes, guess what, I.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Don't want a date. I want to hit man. How
about you? Those text messages are damning. And not only
are they damning, they make.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
A great identification. Listen the debate.
Speaker 10 (24:40):
Dentally informant that her ex boyfriend is a Philadelphia police officer.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
And provided his need.
Speaker 10 (24:46):
The defendon also provide the informant the telephone number of
the police officer's teenage daughter.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
The informantive dead men with.
Speaker 10 (24:53):
Detected Durham, but the Candy County Proster's Office Major Crimes
Unit and the informant of providing Detective Durham with a
sure of the defendant from her tender profile. The informant
also provided the Detective Durnam of the defendants teleorma.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Wow, Rodrigo terrejan joining us from Crime and Courts reporting
at the Philadelphia Inquirer. Rodrigo again, thank you for being
with us. So she didn't even use a burner phone.
She used her own phone to text with who she
thought was a CI, therefore giving up her identity.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Unless she wants to try to claim.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Somebody else had her phone or somehow impersonating her, she
used her own phone, Rodrigo.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yeah, that's what it seems like. Prosecutors said that the
phone number and a photo of the Oreo were both
shown to the officer that she had allegedly tried to
have killed through this hitmap, and he confirmed both that
it was her in the photo and that that was
the number that they had used to communicate. So this,
according to what prosecutors have dug up, was her own
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phone number.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Well, it gets worse for her listen if it.
Speaker 10 (26:03):
Was interviewed and told the detective Deuram that the defendant
was adamant about killing the victim. Informant stated they which
they spoke about money, and that the defender stated, you
were willing to pay twelve.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Thousand dollars in cash.
Speaker 10 (26:15):
During the conversations, defendant also told the informant that she
wanted the victim's teenage daughter killed as well.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The defendant told.
Speaker 10 (26:23):
The informant she could pay five hundred dollars a front
and the rest being the installments.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Doctor Sherry Schwartz, joining US forensic psychologist, Doctor Sherry, the
defendant the hairstylist, the scorn hairstylist reiterated over and.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Over she was sure she.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Wanted the hit to go down, adamant, adamant, insistent that
it happens, and again, I must compare it to the
Dahlia Dippolito, Okays, where she says that I believe she's
five thousand percent sure she wants her husband dead, and
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it's all caught on tape.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Of course, listen.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
Now, and when he's done, you know, not change your money.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
But if you change your money, no, no, like like
well five thousand to five thousand percent.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Sure, that's for our friends at ABC twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
What does that mean, Sherry Schwartz, I mean the CI
gives the defendant opportunity to turn back, opportunity to go.
You know what, this is crazy talk. I don't want
to do this, but instead they are adamant. They are
hell bent on murder.
Speaker 9 (27:39):
That's that's exactly what it is. That she wanted the
job done, She was willing to pay for it. She did,
in fact, put a down payment on it. And that
is an indication that you are serious and you want
this done. And like it was previously mentioned, this is
somebody who, by her own admission, made a prior attempt
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and was duped according to her. So this is somebody
who's had some time to think about it and is
one that she wants this done.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Joining us is a survivor, and that doesn't begin to
describe what he went through.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Baron Lee is with us.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
He was shot point blank range, shot nine times by
teens hired by his wife to murder him.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
As I recall, you were going to your car and
they swarmed you.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
You were shot nine times and lived all over money
that was meant that was earmarked to raise their disabled son.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
She wanted that money. At any point when you two
were having a.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Contentious split, did you ever get the sense that she
would want you dead?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah? I actually had gone through a couple incidents where
she tried to run me over with the vehicle, and
so when I was shot, I already knew it was
her who was behind it.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
But when you say that you knew she was behind it,
let me refine my question. When did you get a
sense or an inkling that she wanted you dead? As
you were lying there on the pavement bleeding out, you
knew at that moment that she was.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Behind the hit.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You weren't wronged, you weren't sex molested, you know, it
wasn't a car jag, nothing like that. This was obviously
a hit on you specifically, and you knew then as
you were bleeding out who did it. But leading up
to that, was there a moment where you were actually
afraid or thought, you know, she wants me dead?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Yeah? I mean, like I said, we had a five
year you know, contention of custody with my son, and
during that time she had attempted to run me over
twice during child exchanges, So you know, to the first time, I,
you know, just chucked it off that first a just
being angry. When she tried to run me over the
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second time, I realized that definitely she wanted I guess this.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Case is bringing back a lot of bad memories because,
according to reports, this is not Diorio's first attempt.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
We've got the Molotov cocktail incident.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
That many attribute to her that has not been proven
in a court of law, and she's innocent until proven guilty.
Then we have her telling the CI don't burn me.
I've been burned before with fakes, with lies by hitman.
In your case, there were multiple attempts as well. Did
you feel invincible? Did you believe you would never be killed?
Speaker 6 (30:51):
No, of course not.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
But you know, this woman sounds just like my ex wife.
Looks like she's not going to stop until she can
get the job done. Even after my ex wife peg
gott and she found out that I survived, she was
actually working with the teenagers to have them come back
for a second attempt. So I'm sure this woman has
the same kind of mindset that you know. If left
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to her devices, she was going to get this job
done one way or another.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
During the recording conversations.
Speaker 10 (31:20):
Wells previous conversation with the informative defendant discusses her desire
to have teenage daughter of her ex boyfriend killed.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
First, while then followed by the victim of the boyfriend.
Speaker 10 (31:32):
The reason that the defendant gave is the order of
killings was that she wanted to kill the victim's teenage
daughter because the killing the police officer would draw too
much screwtiny from Lawnborce and well not as much lawmfors
and resources would be dedicated to investigating the den an
officer's daughter.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
What did I just hear that incorrectly?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
To Rodrigo Tetrjane joining us from Philadelphia, Inquirer Rodrigo, that's
why she wanted the teen daughter killed At first? When
I started investigating the case, I thought it was because
she was jealous of attention or love given to the
teen daughter.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
It wasn't that at Oh, this woman might as well
be a lizard. Her blood is cold. Explain why she
wanted the daughter killed first?
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Sure, so, according to what prosecutors said, and you heard
it right there, she was very methodical about the order
in which she wanted these two people killed. She knew,
according to prosecutors that the assassination of a police officer
would bring unwanted attention. So she made it very clear,
according to prosecutors, that she wanted the daughter killed first,
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the teen daughter killed first, and then the Philadelphia police
officer to mitigate the attention that would be focused in
on these hits.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Amazing the way she planned this out, doctor Sherry Schwartz.
That is some cold blood, methodical planning right there. Reasoning
as to why she wanted the girl killed first.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
That's what she says.
Speaker 9 (33:04):
I actually think there's some a darker motive for why
she wanted the daughter killed first. I think that she
was looking to hurt her ex boyfriend and she wanted
him to suffer before she ultimately had him murdered.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Wow, to increase the suffering of the boyfriend. How is
it again, doctor Sherry. I can understand all the hatred
that must brew, must percolate and boil over and say
a long term marriage, But here there was no property division,
There was no custody argument, no pots and pans, no
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dog to argue, nothing. How could you develop such intense
hatred and just a brief dating relationship.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
I mean, this is somebody who maybe came to the
relationship with that level of hatred. It's hard to say.
There isn't anything specific that I saw in researching the
case that cites a reason that he did something to
her that maybe would cause her to have such bitter
antipathy toward him. But sometimes people come as they are,
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and that may be a reason that the relationship didn't
work out.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
The most concerning aspect of the facts that this case,
involving the fact that he disappears not to be an
isolated attempt by the defendant to contract someone to kill
the victim. As evidence, an escort, which is a text
message screenshot between the defendant and the informative.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Defend states as she had people.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Looking at in the eye and lie before and how
is she going to get proved?
Speaker 10 (34:38):
She also says that fake pictures could be said to her,
and how is she.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
Going to believe that that the victim was in fact dead, and.
Speaker 10 (34:45):
How she said someone who previously said her fake pictures before?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Crime Stories with Nancy Gray.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Jennifer Emmy, a well known lawyer defending animal rights, now
has to defend herself against allegations she ordered to hit
on her ex husband's new girlfriend after the couple's nasty divorce.
A hand at Emmy's nonprofit ranch went to the police.
Well the recording of Emmy asking if he knew anyone
who could take care of her ex's much younger new girlfriend,
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during which she said, no one will miss her. If
someone could help me get rid of her.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
It's amazing to me.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Amazing in the sense that when you go to the
snakehouse at the zoo you look at the snakes through
a thick glass wall, or looking at a tarantula in
a box. Amazing in that sense that not only according
to the state, of course.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Dioryo is innocent, he'll prove the guilty.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
According to the state, she wanted not only her boyfriend
ex boyfriend, but his teen daughter dead.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Two. In the case of attorney.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Jennifer Emmy, she wanted the girlfriend of her ex murdered.
That's a whole different psychopathy. And in this case, Greg Morris,
you've got both, according to prosecution. Now a great defense
attorney like you may be able to convince the jury.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Oh this was all just talk. She didn't mean it,
she didn't really want it to happen, But we do
have her.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
According to the prosecutors, handing over a down payment of
five hundred.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Dollars at Dollar General. She picks the.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Places right where you know there's going to be surveillance
video the handover is it Dollar General? And wawas they're
like Vegas for Pete's say they're covered and oh my goodness,
yeah they're over in security video. I guess you didn't
think that part through. But they desire to have not
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only your object of hatred murdered, but then an innocent
person who's getting dragged into it.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I'm sure you could probably.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Argue to a jury's all just talk. She didn't really
want it to happen. She didn't know what she was saying.
Don't prosecute her, don't send her to jail. I can
hear it right now. But that's a whole another layer
of evil. You don't just want your hate object. Did
you want people around them? Did? Well?
Speaker 7 (37:35):
I think you're right, and what we've said before, it
was probably to harm the ex boy friend to see
his daughter killed first, and then you know he has
to suffer that. But you also, you know you have
a situation here where folks what they think in their head,
it's going to be like when they pull a trigger
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or in this case, try to hire someone to kill someone.
The reality though of that and how that plays out
is totally different, as we see in all these cases,
whether it's dip Alito, whether it's the Oreo, They're on
surveillance cameras, they have phones registered in their name. These
are folks that aren't making the smartest choices, right.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
So, but I also think that that doesn't make the
victim any less dead.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
Morse, Well, there's nobody dead here, and maybe it was
because she was only was it allows of PAM that
was found in her car. She's charged with that also
drug count so and she also offered five hundred.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Dollars please put him hit on.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Actually trying to argue it all that they the illegal
use of drugs is somehow a defense as opposed to
an additional felony charge. We all know all the legal
that voluntary use of drugs are alcoholism ever a defense?
Speaker 7 (39:01):
No, no, no, But it doesn't mean it can't lead
to some break with reality or there's some impact on her.
She was acting weird. Anyone that's had a loved one
who's been under a lot of anesthesia knows when you
come out of it sometimes you're going to have some
mental issues. You're going to see the world differently, You're
going to see the world wrong. Maybe she had an
impact on that because somehow comparing this.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
And when I videoed the twins after they had the
Wistar teeth cut out, No, I.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Mean it never ends with you. You're actually giving me
a headache right now, Well.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Medic medication, Okay, medication, Medication's mind that Rodrigo Tetahan joining
us from Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Inquirer. Where does the case stand now? What's happening?
Speaker 6 (39:44):
Sure, so there is a next hearing schedule for middle
of June. Right now, do Rio is in custody without bails,
so she's basically in jail until her next court hearing.
I've attempted to reach the officer that is allegedly the
target of this hit attempt have been unable to reach
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him or his family. And that's really where it stands.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
You know.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
The detention hearing was basically to figure out if she
would be released because she has no prior criminal record.
Of course, the judge sided with the prosecutor's office and
said we're going to go give no bail and she's
going to be in custody until her next year.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
If you know or think you know anything about the
alleged attempt on the officer's life or he has daughter's life.
The case is still being built by the state. Eight
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Now we remember an American hero police officer, Christopher Kilcullen, EGENPD, Oregon,
shot and killed in a line of duty twelve years
with law enforcement, leaving me hein widow Christie, daughters Sydney
and Katie Anne. American hero officer Jay Christopher kil Cohen
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Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Did a scorned hairstylist hire a hit man on Tender
of all places to brutally assassinate her ex boyfriend and,
wait for it.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
His teen daughter?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
This according to cops. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
A New Jersey woman is accused of attempting to hire
a hitman off popular dating app Tender.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Could this be?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Did the scorned hairstylist want revenge so badly she wanted
to assassinate her ex boyfriend and his teen daughter? How
did the teen daughter get roped into this? You know,
I've got an all star panel to make sense of
what we know right now. But joining me in addition
to an all star panel is a very special guest.
(01:00):
This is a man, a former husband, a father, who
endured a hit shot nine times when his ex wife
wanted to gain control of money that was meant to
raise their son. Joining me, Baron Lee, shot nine times,
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all ordered by your wife. Now, I've always been amazed, Baron.
If I may call you that, I feel.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Like I know you. We've discussed your case.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I've talked to you and thought about you so many
times since the incident. What went through your mind as
you were lying there?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm sure you can.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Process all of the facts that here you were just
out in the parking lot, minding your own business. And
why you, of all people, why were you assailed by
unknown guys and shot nine times?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
What went through your mind?
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I realized diet at gaining moment, and then I was wondering,
you know who? Actually, at the time I knew who
who was ordering a hit on me. I just didn't
know who the shooter was at the time.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I mean, you were shot point blank. I will never
forget it. All in a bid by your ex wife
to gain control of that money set aside to help
raise your son. How has your son reacted to what
happened to you, Baron?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Well, my son's non mobile, nonverbal, so fortunately he doesn't
have a trauma to deal with like other kids would
have had to, so he has no idea what happened.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
You know what, Thank goodness that this did not weigh
on his mind on top of everything else, and that
was a considerable amount of money to help raise him
to secure his future, which he is going to need.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Why did she do it? Baron?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
H You know, I asked myself that every single day,
I just say appears to it is what comes down.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
To guys, A guy that lived through a similar hit.
But to the.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Case in chief, baron, don't move. I want your take
on this. First of all, take a listen. They were
together for approximately a year and there was clearly problems
in the relationship.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
During the detention here in Camden County, Assistant Prosecutor David
Deets outlined a screenshot of a text message where Diorio
negotiates the price for the hit. Another text message has
the defendant discussing a prior attempt to hire someone to
kill her. Ex recorded conversation between Diorio and the informant
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was also submitted.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
That from our friends at CBS News three, joining me
as I said an all star panel straight out to
Rodrigo terrehone Crime and Course reporter at the Philly Inquirer, Rodriguo,
thank you for being with us. How did this whole
thing start? It's my understanding that the would be killer
is a scorned hairstylist, and we heard Elliot the get
(03:59):
Go say there were problems in the relationship, but Rodrigue,
their problems in every relationship. My husband as I like
to say my current husband and I never had an
argument until we had the twins, and then we immediately
started arguing about how they would be raised. Practically every decision,
what time to go to bed, how many bottles would
you go in?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The bottle? You name it?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Okay, and that goes on today. That's our sole source
of argument, what is best.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
For our children. So, yes, every relationship has ups and downs, but.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Really, prosecutors say that the relationship, like the Comic County
prosecutor mentioned earlier, between Jacqueline the Orio and Officer o'hanlan,
started around a year ago and quickly turned pretty volatile.
You know, there was a few months that seemed like
the relationship was going and around August there was an
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allegation of restraining order that was filed by the officer
against So things turns sour relatively quickly. The next month,
the officer reported that his house was damaged by a
Molotov cocktail that was thrown at it. There has not
been any sort of clear link between the extra sold on.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Just a second, Tetahan, you're putting the cart before the horse.
I got to get into it, Okay, I know about
the Molotov I know about the beginning of the relationship,
but what I don't know about is the intricacies of
that relationship.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
What went wrong? Why did they break up? Why couldn't
she just move on?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
As my grandmother said, meant no offense to you, of course, Rodrigo,
that men are like buses. Anyone will come along every
fifteen minutes. So why does she fixate so much on
the boyfriend to the extent she wanted him dead and
wanted his teen daughter dead too. Did that come about, Rodrigo?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Yeah, so that's unclear. Still, like I said, there was
a few months where everything seemed to be going smoothly,
and from one month to another there was some sort
of volatility between them, some sort of intention to say
the least, and there was a restraining order filed by
the officer against the oreo, and the attorney for the
oreo later said that there was also a restraining order
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that she filed against.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
Him that was later withdrawn.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
So there's straight out to Greg Moores following up on
what Rodrigo Tara Han just said. Greg Moore's high profile
lawyer joining us a Morse legal currently.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Counsel to the SEI. A. Well, you've got.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Your hands full, Greg, dueling tros down'd you just love that?
And of course I'm being sarcastic when a real victim
comes into court for a temporary restraining order and what
is the other one.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
To race back in to go? Uhh, I'm not a fault.
It's them all of this going on.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
When I see dueling restraining orders, that's a bad sign.
It's not going to get any better, Greg Morse, Dueling.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
Tros are a defense lawyer's dream. It means both people
are claiming to be victims, both people are claiming to
be the abuser. It shows a history of back and forth.
So this is a volatile relationship from both folks in
this situation.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You know, my guess is they There is no evidence
that the victim was volatile.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
The victim was a cop, by the way. But that said, he's.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Not the one that ordered a hit according to police,
he's not the one that went on Tender, a dating
site if you want to.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Call it that. That's a hookup site, that's what that is.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
But that said, he didn't go on Tender and pretend
he was looking for.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
A date and goes, oh, by the way, can you
meet me.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
At wah Wah's Grocery so I can pay you to
shoot my ex. That wasn't him, that's her Moores, So
don't tune up. First thing, I ask you about tros
and you try to say it's the victim's fault.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Does it never end with you?
Speaker 7 (08:17):
No, it's not that they're both victims. They both had tros,
and people withdraw them all the time because they get
back together and then they have them all to would
the victim?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Could you just explain what maybe you know? Let me
direct you to Webster's Dictionary. And I don't mean online,
you need the hard copy.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
What do you think victim means? How is she a victim?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
He goes to get a tro and she's like, race,
this is to the courthouse.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I'm first, I'm first judged. Call me first. How is
she the victim? He broke up with her.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And she could stand it in order to hint to
kill him.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Have you ever been to a murder scene?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Have you smelled and coagulated blood? Because I have, and
I hope I never do again.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
That's what she wanted.
Speaker 7 (09:05):
I've been to quite a few and have gotten plenty
of not guilty. The murder cases we have in this case.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
How you managed to merge a dead body with you
getting a not guilty. Excuse me, Jackie, could you toot
his horn for him? No, he's doing that himself.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
You are asking you about how he's the thing she
wanted him dead on the ground with his team dead.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Nancy, you have a cl on their own for four days,
creating this story. Potentially the defense has something to work
with here. When have you ever heard of a CI
doing their own kind of case on Tinder and then
all of a sudden going to the police four days later.
That creates opportunities?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Okay, Well, you know I got a wonderful answer for you. Okay,
and her name as Dahlia Dippolito. Are you actually asking
me how does a CI confidential? You know, I'm not
impressed by you throwing around cop talk. Everybody that's watching
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crime stories knows CI is a confidential informant. But thank
you for trying. Okay, Next, what are you going to
throw a Latin phrase at me that said.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
You're looking at Are you usual.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
For a CI to go online to traffic killer? Because
it's not is that what you're saying?
Speaker 7 (10:31):
No, but it doesn't seem like from the police report
that the police were involved in this the first four days.
So what they have a meeting in a day?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
God, they did get involved.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
No, put your feet to the fire, Morse, because you
said what CI, which is an arm of LA law
enforcement goes online to traffic killer?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Who would do that? Hey? Listen to this? Do you
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know how many times I've watched that?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And there's a longer version two, which I will absolutely play. Okay,
Dahlia Dippolito hires a hitman to murder her husband, and
as in this case with the Molotov cocktail that Rodrigo
Tetahan was telling us about and prior attempts, it wasn't
her first try.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
According to Ellie, she tried to poison her husband in
a Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I'm not even going to mention that she was a hooker, okay,
because that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Before she got married and he took her away from
all that.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Anyway, they stinger, Why did they stinger because they had
l E law enforcement as the would be assassin. Same
thing as here, and Morrise, you're acting like you've never
heard anything like it, Like it's a big entrapment to
John Pizzorro, former in New Jersey State Police investigator twenty
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five years.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
You know, there's a lot going down in New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Homicide, organized crime, cartels, commander of the Internet, crimes against children,
It goes on and on. Currently, CEO of RAVEN focused
on eliminating child exploitation and trafficking.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
John, you've certainly seen it all.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
But did you happen to hear Greg Morris, who is
a veteran defense attorney, as he so timidly put forth,
I've won a lot of cases, he says, did you
hear him say how odd it is for elie law enforcement,
an agent a CI to be part of a sting.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I mean, who is this woman going to hire to
kill her ex? Ann?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Will you priest a virgin? No, somebody that acts like
a hitman.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
Yeah, we use them all the time. I mean informants.
And by the way, I love the entrapment argument because
that's the first thing defense counsel does, entrapment. But the
reality is, I can't tell you how many times people
actually came up to us, you know, in an undercover capacity,
and to hire a hit person. I mean, the only
difference between years ago today is that there's apps to
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do it where you don't have to go to the
Yellow Pages. Is a little easier just to ask someone
to do something.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Jacqueline Diorio is a twenty six year old New Jersey
woman accused of attempting to murder her cop ex boyfriend
by hiring a hit man off Tinder.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
We know these two love birds.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Met when the defendant, the suspect, the hairstylist, was actually
doing the victim's hair.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
That's how they met. Let's see what more we know. Listen.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Jacqueline Diorio, twenty six, lives in run A Meede, New Jersey,
making her living as a barber. She hits it off
with one of her clients, a police officer twice her age.
They began dating. Their relationship lasts just over a year,
but not without problems. Problems so bad that Diorio asked
for and got a restraining order put in place. She
(14:33):
later dropped the complaint. After the breakup, Diorio started looking
at dating apps, specifically Tender. A match is made and
Diorio makes plans to meet her new friend for the
first time at.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
A wall wall.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
They exchange numbers and communicate through text messages and phone calls.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Okay to you, John Pizzorro, former New Jersey State Police
twenty five years Wow, okay, Pisorro. I've heard of first dates,
and I always advise people when you meet online, you
should meet somewhere public.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
But wah waws. That should have been a tip off
right there.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
My sister and Philly used to live in a building
on top at the bottom of the building.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It was in grad towers at the Wharton School. There
was a wah wah.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I mean, that's not really a romantic setting for your
first date, is it?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Was that a tip off? I mean, wahwas Well, it.
Speaker 8 (15:26):
Is Tinder, Nancy, so I mean, you know, and there
is a lot of wildwaws in New Jersey, so I
guess the old Starbucks is out these days, you know too.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Doctor Sherry Schwartz now joining us. She's been chomping at
the bit hearing all of this. She's a forensic psychologist
and she specializes in capital mitigation and victim advocacy, and
you can find her at panthermitigation dot com. She's the
author of Criminal Behavior and the one I like the best,
where law and psychology Intersecty Schwartz, I mean, this could
(16:01):
be a total case study for you, because, for instance,
what led up, what fueled the hatred and this hairstylist
heart that she wanted not only her boyfriend for Pete's saint.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
They're not even married.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
They don't even have to divide property, they don't have
to fight over custody.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
They don't have to decide who gets the pots.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And pans and who gets the crock pot, none of that.
But it's so contentious she wants him dead and not
just thinking, doctor Sherry, oh, I could just kill him,
not that actually going online, in hiring someone to commit
(16:45):
double murder and on a teen girl, a little girl.
What is that, Doctor Sherry.
Speaker 9 (16:52):
It's pure unadulterated hatred, fueled by the fact that it
seems like he broke up with her. The relationship was volatile,
he didn't want to have a relationship with her anymore,
and it sounds like she probably arrived at the conclusion
that if I can't.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
Have you, nobody will.
Speaker 9 (17:11):
I don't understand why his teenage daughter had to be
involved in that unless she thought it was possible the
teenage daughter could later identify that she would be the
one trying to have him murdered. But this is somebody
who has no regard for human life.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Guys. What happens?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
They start up a romantic relationship, it goes sour, they
break up, She files for Tiroro and then almost immediately
drops it.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
What was that about? Was that a way to play
the system? But it progresses.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Listen During the Oreo's text conversation with her tender date,
she reveals she's not really looking for love, but rather
a hitman.
Speaker 10 (17:54):
And imp who was working with a longer and say
they recently met a female wanted beating at Tinder. The
female and entered by herself to the informant as d Well,
which was later identified as the defendants tender name defend
The informant then met at a lawa and running Meat.
Subsequently defendant any informant exchange the numbrous text messages and
(18:17):
phone calls.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
During these text.
Speaker 10 (18:19):
Messages and phone call conversations, that's defendant and totally informant
that she wanted.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
Her to ex boyfriend kill.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I'm trying to figure out when love turns into hate,
and when hate turns in to the desire for murder,
and when that desire leads you to commit and act.
Now to Greg Morris joining me, who has won a
lot of cases. Is named partner at Morse Legal and
also current counsel to the CIA Greg and an attempt case,
(18:51):
an attempted murder or an attempted anything. There are very
often conspiracy charges. A conspiracy cannot be, as you and
I have argued in court many times, unless you have
an overt act. I could sit around all day and think, Oh,
I want to kill Greg Morris so bad.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
How would I do it? What would I do?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's just wishful thinking, that's daydreaming talking about it doesn't
rise to conspiracy. But you must have an overt ov
ert act in order to.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Prove your case.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
And here that overt act is going on tender, meeting
someone but still not enough, but then persuading him to
do a hit. There's your overt act right there. In
a conspiracy charge.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Well, there is an overt act there. However, again, those
first four days, when she's interacting with this guy on
tender and they're talking, that leaves a lot of room
for argument for the defense, just like they seem to
be indicating. It's not something that and you know this
God becomes a CI after the four days, not before,
(20:06):
and that creates opportunity. You also can argue the five
hundred dollars it's no word ask although paying for a
Hittman on layaway as odd, but that seems to be
what the prosecution is alleging here.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You know, Greg Morris, when you say that leaves a
lot of wiggle room. Can we just get real about
what you're arguing. I believe trying to read the tea
leaves of what you just said that you're trying to
argue that it was the informant's idea that we can
somehow claim entrapment.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
In other words, she would never have.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Come up with a plot to murder her ex and
his teen daughter but for the CI luring her into it.
That's what entrapment means. I would never have done this
except the cops planned it. They lured me in, and
now they're prosecuting me. I would never have done this
on my own. That is what entrapment is. Are you
trying to blame the CI the confidential informant?
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Well, the defense has to do something in this case,
and like it out there, there was a.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Little storing there. When you're trying to come up with the.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Argument, what listen, this is you have four days of
a civilian being on their own and then they go
to the police and say, hey, this lady wants to
kill her husband. Who knows what that guy's trying to
work off in his past or why he presented himself
to the police to be used. But as far as
all accounts, Nancy, this guy was a civilian like you
and I for four dates. He packaged this and then
(21:29):
brought it over to the law enforcement. So yeah, I
would live and die in those four or eight days
as a defense lawyer.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And you know, you got a little problem, Greg Morris,
you got a little tiny eight c C fly in
the ointment. Here's the problem, Rodrigo Tetrahan. Isn't it true
that the defendant actually wrote texts to the CI that
(21:58):
prove what she wants. It's not just his word against hers.
She wrote texts.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
They're clearly from her phone about the hit.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Yes, the prosecutors at the last hearing did read back
text messages between the CI and the Oreo where Diorio
allegedly goes over.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Proof.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
She asked for proof because, in her own words, she
said that she had been sent fake pictures before, which
alludes to prior attempts to carry out this hit.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
She gives me, I.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Just choked just a tiny bit white white. Hold on,
Can I see Greg Morris right now? As Rodrigo? Okay,
could you repeat that, Rodrigo? What you just said? She
said what in her text to the confidential informant.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Prosecutors read text between the CI and Diorio where she
mentions that she needs hard proof for this hit that
she wants carried out and alludes to having been sent
fake pictures in a prior attempt. This is of course
through text messages that were read out in court at
the detention hearing two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Out that's got to hurt Morse.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
That really has to hurt She's sending him text describe
me how a previous hit man failed her and burned
her by sending her fake photos.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Of the hit.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Well, people become defendants because they're not that bright. However,
people text a lot of things. It doesn't mean they're
going to act on it. In the news right now,
is NFL Hall of Famer Shannon Sharp. He have some
negative texts in the lawsuit against him, and he wasn't
going to He said, I wasn't going to joke anybody.
So people text a lot of things, you know, so
you have to look at that and try to turn
(23:42):
that around as a bluster and just talking.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
A woman from New Jersey attempted to hire a hitman
off Tinder to kill both her cop ex boyfriend and
his nineteen year old daughter. Were just twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Joining me in All Star panel. We've been going back and.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Forth with Greg Morse about his theory that it's all
the CI Confidential Informant's fault, that this woman hair stylist,
scorned lover really would never have ordered a hit on
her boyfriend if not for the CI alluring her into it.
But those text messages that she sent the CI that
(24:25):
she met at wahwaz on a date.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
When he gets so, she goes, guess what, I.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Don't want a date. I want to hit man. How
about you? Those text messages are damning. And not only
are they damning, they make.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
A great identification. Listen the debate.
Speaker 10 (24:40):
Dentally informant that her ex boyfriend is a Philadelphia police officer.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
And provided his need.
Speaker 10 (24:46):
The defendon also provide the informant the telephone number of
the police officer's teenage daughter.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
The informantive dead men with.
Speaker 10 (24:53):
Detected Durham, but the Candy County Proster's Office Major Crimes
Unit and the informant of providing Detective Durham with a
sure of the defendant from her tender profile. The informant
also provided the Detective Durnam of the defendants teleorma.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Wow, Rodrigo terrejan joining us from Crime and Courts reporting
at the Philadelphia Inquirer. Rodrigo again, thank you for being
with us. So she didn't even use a burner phone.
She used her own phone to text with who she
thought was a CI, therefore giving up her identity.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Unless she wants to try to claim.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Somebody else had her phone or somehow impersonating her, she
used her own phone, Rodrigo.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yeah, that's what it seems like. Prosecutors said that the
phone number and a photo of the Oreo were both
shown to the officer that she had allegedly tried to
have killed through this hitmap, and he confirmed both that
it was her in the photo and that that was
the number that they had used to communicate. So this,
according to what prosecutors have dug up, was her own
(26:00):
phone number.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Well, it gets worse for her listen if it.
Speaker 10 (26:03):
Was interviewed and told the detective Deuram that the defendant
was adamant about killing the victim. Informant stated they which
they spoke about money, and that the defender stated, you
were willing to pay twelve.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Thousand dollars in cash.
Speaker 10 (26:15):
During the conversations, defendant also told the informant that she
wanted the victim's teenage daughter killed as well.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The defendant told.
Speaker 10 (26:23):
The informant she could pay five hundred dollars a front
and the rest being the installments.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Doctor Sherry Schwartz, joining US forensic psychologist, Doctor Sherry, the
defendant the hairstylist, the scorn hairstylist reiterated over and.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Over she was sure she.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Wanted the hit to go down, adamant, adamant, insistent that
it happens, and again, I must compare it to the
Dahlia Dippolito, Okays, where she says that I believe she's
five thousand percent sure she wants her husband dead, and
(27:02):
it's all caught on tape.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Of course, listen.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
Now, and when he's done, you know, not change your money.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
But if you change your money, no, no, like like
well five thousand to five thousand percent.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Sure, that's for our friends at ABC twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
What does that mean, Sherry Schwartz, I mean the CI
gives the defendant opportunity to turn back, opportunity to go.
You know what, this is crazy talk. I don't want
to do this, but instead they are adamant. They are
hell bent on murder.
Speaker 9 (27:39):
That's that's exactly what it is. That she wanted the
job done, She was willing to pay for it. She did,
in fact, put a down payment on it. And that
is an indication that you are serious and you want
this done. And like it was previously mentioned, this is
somebody who, by her own admission, made a prior attempt
(28:00):
and was duped according to her. So this is somebody
who's had some time to think about it and is
one that she wants this done.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Joining us is a survivor, and that doesn't begin to
describe what he went through.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Baron Lee is with us.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
He was shot point blank range, shot nine times by
teens hired by his wife to murder him.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
As I recall, you were going to your car and
they swarmed you.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
You were shot nine times and lived all over money
that was meant that was earmarked to raise their disabled son.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
She wanted that money. At any point when you two
were having a.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Contentious split, did you ever get the sense that she
would want you dead?
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Yeah? I actually had gone through a couple incidents where
she tried to run me over with the vehicle, and
so when I was shot, I already knew it was
her who was behind it.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
But when you say that you knew she was behind it,
let me refine my question. When did you get a
sense or an inkling that she wanted you dead? As
you were lying there on the pavement bleeding out, you
knew at that moment that she was.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Behind the hit.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You weren't wronged, you weren't sex molested, you know, it
wasn't a car jag, nothing like that. This was obviously
a hit on you specifically, and you knew then as
you were bleeding out who did it. But leading up
to that, was there a moment where you were actually
afraid or thought, you know, she wants me dead?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Yeah? I mean, like I said, we had a five
year you know, contention of custody with my son, and
during that time she had attempted to run me over
twice during child exchanges, So you know, to the first time, I,
you know, just chucked it off that first a just
being angry. When she tried to run me over the
(30:10):
second time, I realized that definitely she wanted I guess this.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Case is bringing back a lot of bad memories because,
according to reports, this is not Diorio's first attempt.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
We've got the Molotov cocktail incident.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
That many attribute to her that has not been proven
in a court of law, and she's innocent until proven guilty.
Then we have her telling the CI don't burn me.
I've been burned before with fakes, with lies by hitman.
In your case, there were multiple attempts as well. Did
you feel invincible? Did you believe you would never be killed?
Speaker 6 (30:51):
No, of course not.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
But you know, this woman sounds just like my ex wife.
Looks like she's not going to stop until she can
get the job done. Even after my ex wife peg
gott and she found out that I survived, she was
actually working with the teenagers to have them come back
for a second attempt. So I'm sure this woman has
the same kind of mindset that you know. If left
(31:15):
to her devices, she was going to get this job
done one way or another.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
During the recording conversations.
Speaker 10 (31:20):
Wells previous conversation with the informative defendant discusses her desire
to have teenage daughter of her ex boyfriend killed.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
First, while then followed by the victim of the boyfriend.
Speaker 10 (31:32):
The reason that the defendant gave is the order of
killings was that she wanted to kill the victim's teenage
daughter because the killing the police officer would draw too
much screwtiny from Lawnborce and well not as much lawmfors
and resources would be dedicated to investigating the den an
officer's daughter.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
What did I just hear that incorrectly?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
To Rodrigo Tetrjane joining us from Philadelphia, Inquirer Rodrigo, that's
why she wanted the teen daughter killed At first? When
I started investigating the case, I thought it was because
she was jealous of attention or love given to the
teen daughter.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
It wasn't that at Oh, this woman might as well
be a lizard. Her blood is cold. Explain why she
wanted the daughter killed first?
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Sure, so, according to what prosecutors said, and you heard
it right there, she was very methodical about the order
in which she wanted these two people killed. She knew,
according to prosecutors that the assassination of a police officer
would bring unwanted attention. So she made it very clear,
according to prosecutors, that she wanted the daughter killed first,
(32:37):
the teen daughter killed first, and then the Philadelphia police
officer to mitigate the attention that would be focused in
on these hits.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Amazing the way she planned this out, doctor Sherry Schwartz.
That is some cold blood, methodical planning right there. Reasoning
as to why she wanted the girl killed first.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
That's what she says.
Speaker 9 (33:04):
I actually think there's some a darker motive for why
she wanted the daughter killed first. I think that she
was looking to hurt her ex boyfriend and she wanted
him to suffer before she ultimately had him murdered.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Wow, to increase the suffering of the boyfriend. How is
it again, doctor Sherry. I can understand all the hatred
that must brew, must percolate and boil over and say
a long term marriage, But here there was no property division,
There was no custody argument, no pots and pans, no
(33:41):
dog to argue, nothing. How could you develop such intense
hatred and just a brief dating relationship.
Speaker 9 (33:50):
I mean, this is somebody who maybe came to the
relationship with that level of hatred. It's hard to say.
There isn't anything specific that I saw in researching the
case that cites a reason that he did something to
her that maybe would cause her to have such bitter
antipathy toward him. But sometimes people come as they are,
(34:13):
and that may be a reason that the relationship didn't
work out.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
The most concerning aspect of the facts that this case,
involving the fact that he disappears not to be an
isolated attempt by the defendant to contract someone to kill
the victim. As evidence, an escort, which is a text
message screenshot between the defendant and the informative.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Defend states as she had people.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Looking at in the eye and lie before and how
is she going to get proved?
Speaker 10 (34:38):
She also says that fake pictures could be said to her,
and how is she.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
Going to believe that that the victim was in fact dead, and.
Speaker 10 (34:45):
How she said someone who previously said her fake pictures before?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Crime Stories with Nancy Gray.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Jennifer Emmy, a well known lawyer defending animal rights, now
has to defend herself against allegations she ordered to hit
on her ex husband's new girlfriend after the couple's nasty divorce.
A hand at Emmy's nonprofit ranch went to the police.
Well the recording of Emmy asking if he knew anyone
who could take care of her ex's much younger new girlfriend,
(35:24):
during which she said, no one will miss her. If
someone could help me get rid of her.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
It's amazing to me.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Amazing in the sense that when you go to the
snakehouse at the zoo you look at the snakes through
a thick glass wall, or looking at a tarantula in
a box. Amazing in that sense that not only according
to the state, of course.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Dioryo is innocent, he'll prove the guilty.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
According to the state, she wanted not only her boyfriend
ex boyfriend, but his teen daughter dead.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Two. In the case of attorney.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Jennifer Emmy, she wanted the girlfriend of her ex murdered.
That's a whole different psychopathy. And in this case, Greg Morris,
you've got both, according to prosecution. Now a great defense
attorney like you may be able to convince the jury.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Oh this was all just talk. She didn't mean it,
she didn't really want it to happen, But we do
have her.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
According to the prosecutors, handing over a down payment of
five hundred.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Dollars at Dollar General. She picks the.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Places right where you know there's going to be surveillance
video the handover is it Dollar General? And wawas they're
like Vegas for Pete's say they're covered and oh my goodness,
yeah they're over in security video. I guess you didn't
think that part through. But they desire to have not
(37:06):
only your object of hatred murdered, but then an innocent
person who's getting dragged into it.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
I'm sure you could probably.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Argue to a jury's all just talk. She didn't really
want it to happen. She didn't know what she was saying.
Don't prosecute her, don't send her to jail. I can
hear it right now. But that's a whole another layer
of evil. You don't just want your hate object. Did
you want people around them? Did? Well?
Speaker 7 (37:35):
I think you're right, and what we've said before, it
was probably to harm the ex boy friend to see
his daughter killed first, and then you know he has
to suffer that. But you also, you know you have
a situation here where folks what they think in their head,
it's going to be like when they pull a trigger
(37:57):
or in this case, try to hire someone to kill someone.
The reality though of that and how that plays out
is totally different, as we see in all these cases,
whether it's dip Alito, whether it's the Oreo, They're on
surveillance cameras, they have phones registered in their name. These
are folks that aren't making the smartest choices, right.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
So, but I also think that that doesn't make the
victim any less dead.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
Morse, Well, there's nobody dead here, and maybe it was
because she was only was it allows of PAM that
was found in her car. She's charged with that also
drug count so and she also offered five hundred.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Dollars please put him hit on.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Actually trying to argue it all that they the illegal
use of drugs is somehow a defense as opposed to
an additional felony charge. We all know all the legal
that voluntary use of drugs are alcoholism ever a defense?
Speaker 7 (39:01):
No, no, no, But it doesn't mean it can't lead
to some break with reality or there's some impact on her.
She was acting weird. Anyone that's had a loved one
who's been under a lot of anesthesia knows when you
come out of it sometimes you're going to have some
mental issues. You're going to see the world differently, You're
going to see the world wrong. Maybe she had an
impact on that because somehow comparing this.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
And when I videoed the twins after they had the
Wistar teeth cut out, No, I.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Mean it never ends with you. You're actually giving me
a headache right now, Well.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Medic medication, Okay, medication, Medication's mind that Rodrigo Tetahan joining
us from Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Inquirer. Where does the case stand now? What's happening?
Speaker 6 (39:44):
Sure, so there is a next hearing schedule for middle
of June. Right now, do Rio is in custody without bails,
so she's basically in jail until her next court hearing.
I've attempted to reach the officer that is allegedly the
target of this hit attempt have been unable to reach
(40:07):
him or his family. And that's really where it stands.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
You know.
Speaker 6 (40:10):
The detention hearing was basically to figure out if she
would be released because she has no prior criminal record.
Of course, the judge sided with the prosecutor's office and
said we're going to go give no bail and she's
going to be in custody until her next year.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
If you know or think you know anything about the
alleged attempt on the officer's life or he has daughter's life.
The case is still being built by the state. Eight
five six two two five five one two seven repeat
eight five six two two five five to one to seven.
(40:47):
Now we remember an American hero police officer, Christopher Kilcullen, EGENPD, Oregon,
shot and killed in a line of duty twelve years
with law enforcement, leaving me hein widow Christie, daughters Sydney
and Katie Anne. American hero officer Jay Christopher kil Cohen
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