August 21, 2025 • 47 mins
Killer Bryan Kohberger has no trouble admitting to violently killing four people with a knife in a sneak attack in the middle of the night, but after just one night in J-Block at the Idaho Maximum Security Prison, he is begging to be transferred out.
He submits a handwritten note telling the deputy warden he is being subjected to minute-by-minute verbal threats and harassment and asks to be transferred out of Unit 2 on J-Block because he says, "J-Block is an environment I wish to transfer from."
In his first note of complaint and begging, Kohberger violates a cardinal rule of prison: never rat out your fellow prisoners. Kohberger writes he is "not engaging in any of the recent flooding/striking...."
"Flooding" in prison jargon refers to inmates intentionally causing water to overflow in their cells, creating a disruption on the block, and by saying he isn't taking part, he is pointing his bony finger of righteous indignation at others on J-Block.
After sending his first note of complaint after his first night in prison, Kohberger follows it up a few days later with another note, this one given to a guard and claiming he is the victim of sexual harassment.
In the note, Kohberger claims one inmate is threatening to rape him, while another inmate says, "The only ass we'll be eating is Kohberger's." Kohberger offers up the name of a guard he says heard the threats and harassment, so his claims can be verified.
An incident notification report is filled out by the guard who received the second Kohberger note, and the guard named by Kohberger is questioned about the claims made by the admitted quadruple murderer.
In a report filed three days later, the guard says he recalls vulgar language being used and directed towards Kohberger, but he doesn't know which inmates made the threats.
In his note, Kohberger tells the deputy warden that he wants to be transferred to B-Block immediately. Immediately.
Kohberger also wants to speak to the deputy warden soon. In response, Kohberger is told J-Block is "generally a fairly calm and quieter tier," and the flooding is a relatively rare occurrence.
"He isn't given his transfer and is told "to give it some time."
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Troy Slaten - Los Angeles Criminal Defense Attorney, Slaten Lawyers; X: @TroySlaten
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker,”and featured in hit show, "Paris in Love," on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive
- Chris McDonough – Director at the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective; Host of YouTube channel: “The Interview Room
- Heather Barnhart - SANS Institute Fellow (SysAdmin, Audit, Network, and Security), Senior Director of Forensic Research at Cellebrite (one of the Digitial Forensic Investigators in the Bryan Kohberger case), and Co-Author of "Practical Mobile Forensics" (now in its 4th edition); Blog: smarterforensics.com
- Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet," and Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;" X: @JoScottForensic
- Dr. DeWayne Hendrix - Former Warden at the MDC in Brooklyn (also served as a Warden in Sheridan, Oregon), Former Senior Warden with the US Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Prisons, Founder and President of A New Daylight Foundation, and Author: "Who Are You? See it Say it and Seize it;" @anewdaylight (IG) @drdewaynehendrix (LinkedIn), @anewdaylight (X-Twitter)
- Annie Elise - Host of True-crime Podcast "SERIALously"
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Brian Coburger, the four time convicted killer who sliced four
beautiful University IDO students dead. Brian Coburger has filed a
sexual harassment claim.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
From behind bars over a but f threat. He is
also after.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
One day on the j block, demanding a transfer and
of course.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Whining about the food.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes, Brian Coburger, four time convicted killer, has filed a
sex harassment claim. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
And then let me ask you.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Did you on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two enter the
residents at one one two two King Road in Moscow,
Idaho if you attempt to commit the developing crime with.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
And I don't know a location, emergency, no way.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I rarely say this, and I would never ever say
it in front of a judge or a journey. But
I really don't even know where to start. Should I
start with this complaint? For Coburger says I have on
several occasions and not received all the items of food
on my tray. I address this during service. I guess
food service like he's have got a butler and have
(01:47):
yet to receive any placements. In fact, the kitchen is
not even called. Okay, yeah, I'm not starting with that.
I'm not starting with complaining to the butler.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I'm going to.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Start and not with the sex harassment claims with the
butt f compliant. I'm gonna start with the victims. Take
a listen to this nine one.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
One call can on one location of your emergency. You
don't know what what is the address of the emergency.
What is the rest of the address? Oh, King two Roads, Okay,
(02:39):
And there's not a house or an apartment, it's the house.
Can you repeat the adress to make sure that I
have it right.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I'll talk to you guys.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
We're you live the lights, so we're next to them.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
I need someone to repeat the address for ramification.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
The address one one to two key drugs. And you hear.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
The victim that lived, one of the two victims that lived,
screaming and sobbing, and she's screaming.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Out the name Xana Ethan.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And we know that Xana was attacked on the steps.
We know that Killie Gonsolvis was unrecognizable.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
She was stabbed so many times in the face.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
Listen she's not waking up.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Okay, one moment, I'm going to help her.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That way, before I get to Brian Cooberger's complaints that
he is being sexually harassed through the air vents and
(04:16):
that his food is not up to par. To Joseph
Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a hit
podcast Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan, these complaints are
(04:37):
almost laughable if it weren't for the knowledge of what
happened to those four students.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Lay it out, We's.
Speaker 8 (04:49):
Start with a number seven inches seven inches of steel
being slice, used to slice, and used to stab over
and over and over again, systematically, one by one as
he makes his way through this home. This reptile went
from the top floor to the second floor, ending lives
(05:12):
all along the way, leaving a trail of horror that
the police came upon that morning. And I don't think
they could actually take the measure of it, Nancy. And
then again, like more like a rat, he sneaks out
through that back door and exits and vanishes into the night.
After he's done this, and you want to complain, you
(05:35):
want to complain about what faces you right now, Tell
it somewhere else. Tell your story food.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
He's actually complaining about the food. I want to get
back to.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
What was done, was physically done to these four students,
Joe Scott Morgan, You know, my little babies are about
to go off to college, and all I can think
about is Brian fing Kobe. What was done to these students?
(06:04):
What did he do to them? And all you trolls
online that keep telling me he was set up, he
pled guilty to this, tell them, Joe Scott.
Speaker 8 (06:14):
Yeah, just starting off with Kaylee in the top room
up there. You had mentioned earlier that she was unrecognizable.
The bony structures in her face are disrupted to the
point where they couldn't make a physical ID on her
just by doing the visual ID because she had been
so traumatized in addition to the other stab wounds that
(06:35):
she had received to her Torso you think about Xana,
who you know, we've heard stories about Kaylee where you
know from twenty four to thirty, mister Gonzalez was saying
thirty thirty injuries with her nancy with Xana, we're talking
fifty plus over and over and over again. She was
(06:58):
cut so bad that she had grabbed hold of this blade.
It had cut into her tendons of her hand so
that they would literally be non operational if she's trying
to defend herself. She's got blocking injuries on both of
her forearms where her arms have been sliced repeatedly. You've
got Ethan laying in the bed. He's got a horrible
(07:19):
gash approximating his collarbone and his neck where he bleeds
out in that spot. And you know, we can't forget
about Maddie. You know she's brutalized there in bed, adjacent
to her best friend. They've grown up together, Nancy, they
have lived life together, they've gone off to college together,
(07:40):
and their lives both ended in that small space together
because this animal comes into the house and shreds them.
Speaker 9 (07:47):
You know, Scott, when you put it that way.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
As you know we've discussed many times for years and
years after my fiancees murder, I would have night terrors.
Not just nightmares, it's where you wake up terrorized, screaming, running.
If that's just a dream, imagine, just imagine what these
(08:14):
four beautiful that I keep using that we're beautiful students
went through the night. They were slaughred by Coburger and
now he's claiming somebody sex harassing him through the air vent.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Hey, you know another thing.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I want to go straight out to a special guest.
Heather Barnhardt. She's Institute Fellow at CIS Admin Audit Network Security,
Senior Director forens at Research at Celebrate, which is amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Either to top it all off, after he.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Literally slaughters these four students, he gets on the phone
and you can prove this and call his mommy. He
gets comforted by his mommy. And you, Heather, have been
able to analyze hours and hours of him calling mommy,
(09:15):
explain how you found it and what you found.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
On his Android device.
Speaker 10 (09:19):
We used Celebrate Physical Analyzer software to just parse the information.
And one of the things that's rate in the forefront
is that Brian Koberger started calling his mom as early
as six thirteen in the morning, right after the murders
and was on the phone with her apparently when he
returned to the scene of the crime.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
You mean, when he goes back that morning to just see, yes,
anyone has discovered his handiwork, his masterpiece of murder. He's
on the phone with his mother Oh, oh, my stars,
I didn't get that timing from reading your analysis. Wait
a minute, I gotta let this sink in for a moment.
(09:58):
It's like, mommy, look, look at me. And he's on
the phone with his mommy while he's driving back to
the scene of the crime that.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Morning for fifty four minutes.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Oh okay, I'm gonna have to go to a shrink,
but first I want to follow up with Heather Barnhart. Guys,
looks and brains amazing. Heather Barnhart, one of the digital
forensic investigators on the Brian Coberger quadruple murder case.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And it wasn't just then.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
As he's going back to survey his handiwork, he's on
the phone with mommy. He calls her first thing in
the morning and they talk for an hour, then he
calls her at lunchtime. Then he has to call her
before he goes to bed at night. I mean, describe
these lengthy conversations with his mother that you uncovered.
Speaker 10 (10:54):
Day in and day out to go to bed, as
you just said, first thing in the morning and the
wake up texting and immediate called linked to mother every
single day. She was a huge security blanket, almost a
necessity in his.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Life, and then when he leaves home and moves to Pullman,
this happens. What else did you uncover in your digital investigation, Heather, lots.
Speaker 10 (11:18):
Of browser searching for serial killers, as I mentioned with
you previously, an obsession with himself, so researching serial killers
and then immediately taking selfies to replicate what he had read.
So that picture of him in the black hoodie was
taken after researching Ted Bundy, and in that research it
was Ted Bundy in that black hoodie, and he replicated
(11:40):
the photo.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And of course there are all the American psycho selfies
he took where he replicated Christian mail. And of course, Heather,
our kids can't thank you enough. You were the first
person to tell me that he was a fan of
crime stories. And had you found photos screen grabs? I
guess of that on his phone?
Speaker 10 (12:01):
Yes, a screen grab very similar to this right here,
of you with crime written under the headline.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Okay, I'll just keep that right up here forever. Okay,
I want to go back to what's happening right now.
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 11 (12:14):
After sending his first note of complaint after his first
night in prison, Coberger follows it up a few days
later with another note, this one given to a guard
and claiming he's the victim of sexual harassment. In the note,
Coberger claims one inmate is threatening to rape him, while
another inmate says, the only ass we'll be eating is coburger's.
(12:35):
Coburger offers up the name of a guard he says
heard the threats and harassment, so his claims can be verified.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Okay, the only ass we'll be eating is coburgers, and
he was also threatened and this is all through the
air vents that he would be quote but ft Okay,
joining me right now, Annie Elise. She is creator and
CEO of ten to Life and she is as a
star of Serealously podcast.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Annie.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Okay, This guy, Brian Koberger, who admits he murdered four people,
is now filing a sex harassment complaint.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
He is very careful to say I'm not part of
the flooding of the cells.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I didn't do that, and complaints about the food being
placed on his trade.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Let's start with the sex harassment complaints.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And I'm sure it's not lost on doctor Bethany Marshall,
who I'm going to in one moment that he is
the one that conducted all of the searches about raping
women when they are comatose, drunk on drugs, passed out,
or worse. Before he goes and tries to murder three
(13:49):
sleeping girls. Well, they were not asleep when he murdered them,
but that was his intent. Okay, tell me about the
complaints Annie exactly.
Speaker 12 (13:58):
Not only did he have this higher search history of
him wanting to do this exact thing to other victims,
but he's kind of in a roundabout way getting his wish.
He always wanted to be the most important guy in
the room, and.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Now he is.
Speaker 12 (14:12):
It's just in the wrong setting, and it's just the
consequences of your own actions. Not only are you in
prison for what you did to these poor victims, but.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
You didn't want the death penalty.
Speaker 12 (14:22):
You wanted the plea deal so that you wouldn't have
to face that, and this is now the consequences of that.
He just strikes me as somebody who always, of course
thinks he's the smartest, that he should be treated special,
that he should be different, and we're saying that that
is no different now that he is incarcerated. He still
thinks he deserves that special important treatment.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Okay, what exactly does he claim in his sex harassment file.
Speaker 12 (14:48):
So he's claiming that they are saying that they are
going to but f him. Also those the words of
the only ass that we're going to be eating is coburger.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Annie, Annie.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Before you go any further, the first time I had
to curse in front of a jury, I paused.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It was like a dirt sandwich.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
But in about two months I was saying every word
imaginable because it's what defenant said.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And I would have to quote them, what.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
They stated, what they wrote, what they threatened, the P word,
the F word, the C word, that you name it.
Word all came out of this mouth. As I would
explain things to jury's. They didn't like it, but by
the time the trial would be over it, they were
numb to it as well. So the word but okay,
I don't let my children say it, but you can
(15:42):
say it. I want to hear what Coburger is saying
in his sex harassment complaint verbatim.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 12 (15:52):
He is saying that they are going to butt him.
He is hearing them say the only ass that will
be eating is Coburger's, which by the way, those are
obviously awful things, but those pale in comparison to the
searches that were on his devices of what he wanted
to do to his victims and what he turned him
on and what he was interested in. So the fact
(16:14):
that he wants any sort of empathy now and special treatment,
nobody feels bad for this guy.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Straight out to Troy Slayton, veteran defense attorney, joining us
out of La Troy, Mommy.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
They threatened to hurt me through the air vent.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Really, and they follow a sex harassment complaint to the jail.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
You know what that's called, right, A rat? A snitch?
Speaker 13 (16:40):
That's true, Nancy, And you know the old saying snitches
get stitches or end up in ditches. But what's important
here is that we don't forget a little thing called
the Constitution.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I carried it around in my pocket. There's the eighth.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Amendment of the Constitution.
Speaker 13 (16:58):
Now we all did it prohibits, as you know, cruel
and unusual punishment. And if he is being subjected to
physical violence, to some sort of starvation, or if the
prison is not meeting its own nutritional standards, then.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Slayton, has anybody said that anybody touched a hair on Coburger's.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Head, that's a yes.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
No, that has not been a leg Has anyone said
that Coburger has not been given enough food?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That's a yes. No.
Speaker 13 (17:36):
Well, he's claiming that in one of his complaints.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
That's not what he claimed.
Speaker 13 (17:41):
He's saying that the prison.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Sid all items are seed on my tray.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I address this during service, his butler, I guess, and
have yet to receive replacements. Replacement means he just doesn't like.
Oh he doesn't like. Get used to it. No one
has starved him, no one has touched him. He's complaining
because the inmates are whispering at him through the airvent
(18:10):
are you serious? Just put the constitution away. Don't degrade
the constitution like that, please.
Speaker 13 (18:17):
One of the guards corroborated the threats that he's receiving
and just said that they weren't able to discern which
one of the inmates, because of course a prison guard
doesn't want to exactly what they does.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Between.
Speaker 13 (18:32):
The prison guard is smart enough to know not to
get involved in the confrontations between inmates because that can only.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Go bad for that.
Speaker 13 (18:39):
Okay, be clear, we have to live with those people
every day.
Speaker 14 (18:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Okay, so you're claiming the guard is in on it
and doesn't want to tell the truth.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Actually, that's not what the guard said.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
He did not corroborate threats of but effing or as aiding,
this is what he said.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
An incident notification report is filled out by the guardard
who received the second Coburger note, and the guard named
by Coberger, is questioned about the claims made by the
admitted quadruple murderer, and a report filed three days later.
The guard says he recalls vulgar language being used and
directed towards Coburger, but he doesn't know which inmates made
the threats.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So actually, the guard says, he recalls vulgar language directed
towards Coburger.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Through the air van. Really, but no one.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Has touched Coburger, no one has hurt Coburger.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And he's getting.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Food he wants so replacement. He doesn't like his block. Awey, Okay,
let's get real. This is what.
Speaker 14 (19:38):
Happened to me.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
At what's going on?
Speaker 15 (19:42):
One of our one of the roommates has passed out
and she's drunk last night and short like up.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Oh and they saw some man in their house as night.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Yeah, Hian, are you in the patient?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
I need someone who keeps the phone, stop tossing it around.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Can I just tell you what happened? Very much?
Speaker 5 (20:02):
What is going on currently if someone passed out right now?
Speaker 6 (20:06):
I don't really know what pretty much victorium.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Okay, so I need to know what's going on right
now if someone is passed out.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Can you find that out?
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Yeah, I'll come to check.
Speaker 14 (20:17):
We have to.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Crime stories with Nancy Gray.
Speaker 14 (20:30):
Are one of the roommates has passed out and she's
drown class and shall not wake you up?
Speaker 15 (20:35):
Did you?
Speaker 4 (20:36):
On November thirteenth, twenty twenty two in Leayta County, State
of Idaho, kill and murder Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonzalves, Xana Kernole,
Ethan Chapman.
Speaker 14 (20:47):
Yes, oh, and they saw some man of their house out.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Professor Jays Scott Morgan, what exactly is arterial spray?
Speaker 6 (20:55):
So you have my.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
Vessels that are directing off of the heart, and so
every time the heart contracts, okay, it pumps, right, we're
thinking about pumping. You hit the artery and as opposed
to say a vein veins kind of ooze if you
will artery spray. So when this pipped, this is going
to transport the blood through the air and it turns
(21:19):
out in a very specific pattern. It'll have almost if
you think about this is why I kind of always
describe it. If you think about, say, for instance, taking
a can of aerosolt hair spray and spraying it on
a mirror, and you see that kind of fine miss
that comes up on the mirror. That's kind of the
way the deposition of this is. It's very fine, tiny
(21:41):
little particulates, and sometimes you'll see these long ranging streaks
as well, dependent upon the position. Of course, position changes
because you've got an individual that is so incredibly butchered,
they're trying to relieve the pain. They'll twist and they'll turn,
and so you'll get this kind of overlapping depth. Asian.
(22:01):
It's a horrible thing to witness because when you're at
the scene, Nancy, it's almost like death has painted on
the wall in those last moments of their lives, and
you can see it kind of laid out before you.
If you understand blood blood pattern deposition, it's really quite
the horror show.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst, author of Deal breakers you
can see her on peacock. She's at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com.
Doctor Bethany Ethan's jugular vein.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Was slashed, and now Brian Hoberger, who admits to doing
that to Ethan, admits to disfiguring Keilly Goel's office's face.
Maddie just stabbed what thirty forty times brutalized.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Now he is whining that someone is sex harassing.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Him through the air of it, you know, Nancy, It
makes sense to me because I also recalled it. One
of his professors predicted that once he got his PhD,
he would have more access to potentially assaulting and harassing women.
He loved to predate. He had a pattern of predating.
(23:29):
So I think the problem in the prison for him
is he would like to anally rape others, but he
doesn't like it so much when somebody wants to anally
rape him, see, because then the powershifts. As long as
he's doing what he did when he was a student assistant,
cornering women, cornering people into conversations, towering over them, stalking them,
(23:54):
harassing them, slitting someone's throat, you know, stabbing a woman
multiple times in the face. As long as he is
in charge, he loves it. That's why he's imitating serial killers.
It reminds me of like bt K, who really he
(24:14):
wanted so much power, not only over one victim or
two victims, but over entire families all at once. But
now now that Brian Koberger cannot engage in that reign
of terror, people are doing it to him and he
does not like the reversal. Now, this thing about talking
(24:35):
to mommy all the time, I really hate to say
this on the air, but I wouldn't be surprised to
discover that he was sexually attracted to his mother. That
this wasn't just you know, bragging to mommy or mommy
making him feel secure and safe in the world.
Speaker 16 (24:51):
But I think Brian.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Koberger eroticized and sexualized everybody. I'm not saying the mother
participated in it necessarily. It could have all been just
in Brian Coworker's own head. But I think he is
constantly constantly sexualizing. He just doesn't like it when other
people do it to him. And one other small point,
Nancy is we have a term in my field called
(25:14):
auto erotic honor. Erotic is when a person sexual energy
is directed back against the self, like they're in love
with themselves, They're excited by themselves, like maybe they might masturbate,
masturbate while looking in a mirror because the thought of
their own body is more exciting than anything else. So
(25:38):
he's also stuck in that position where somebody else intrudes,
like another prisoner or inmate. He's not going to like
that because it's not all about him and him being.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
In charge, DoD to Bethany.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Another irony here is that he is the one that
did all of those damning digital source about raping women
when they are passed out, when they are drawnk when
they're on drugs, when they're comatose, and that is what
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he was expecting to find when he went into the
King wrote address.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
That is what he wanted because he loves.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Being in a position of power. I mean it's like
it was at the max Factor heir who would drug
women and then he would actually film himself, you know,
having sex with them. The idea of the woman being
comatose is the ultimate ultimate power play, that's all it is.
So when you think about somebody who needs that kind
(26:41):
of power all of a sudden, being behind bars, he
doesn't get all of his goodies on his tray. The
other prisoners are mocking him.
Speaker 16 (26:51):
That is just the opposite of how he's lived his
entire life, which is with the illusion of being in
control of the entire world.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
All of this a sexual harassment complaint, whining about his food, claiming,
I wish for the items to be called for and
items replaced, when this something something the nutritional standards are
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not being upheld. Really, he wants to receive quote replacements. Again,
he doesn't like his wlok we okay, that's the whole
food issue that we've been hearing about since day one.
If you will recall his relatives, he wanted them to
buy all new cook wear and cook not he cooked,
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but he wanted them the service to prepare his meals
on plates and in dishes, in pots and pans that
had never touched meat before. Or this is a continuing
thing with him. But about the complaints, about the complaints,
let me understand. Chris McDonough joining me, director Cole Case Foundation,
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former homicide detective. I found him on YouTube at the
interview room. What a turn of events. Chris McDonough.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Maybe these words are ringing in his ears listen put
message from our youngest daughter.
Speaker 15 (28:31):
However, we wanted to say, you may received a's in
high school and college, but you're going to begin big
d's in prison.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
That was it sentencing, and I had to think Ken
somewhere in here.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Really, he's complaining about people whispering to him through the event.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
This guy who slaughtered, who ripped apart four beautiful co eds,
ripped them apart with a military k bart knife. That
guy is whining about his broccoli and the other inmates
taunting him through the heating vent.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, Nancy, and let's remind the world we broke that
here on your show. And at this point, if we
look on the Department Corrections website, they call their inmates residents. Okay, well,
here's a call coming in, Brian. This is not a hotel.
And what Brian's about to understand is that his virginity
as we speak, is being traded for half a cigarette,
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and that his mother had better pack some commissary orders
so that he has items to trade. I mean, when
we talk about the kitchen sending in food, just wait
till he gets the special. Okay. He wanted to cosplay
a killer. Now he's going to hang out with them,
They will show him no mercy.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Guys, you're seeing a leaked video, still trying to author indicated.
All the jails are going, hey, it's not us. But
McDonough pointed out, as did a lot of people online
after you spoke McDonough, that this is in a medical
unit somewhere and we think it was videoed by someone
on their cell phone of a security video, much like
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the Casaventuria beat down in the Seawan Combs prosecution, that
was a.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Cell phone video of a CCTV feed.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Okay, now I want to address the actual complaints, the complaints.
But Chris McDonough, when you said this ain't the Ritz
Coburg or what did you mean by that? Actually I paraphrase,
but what do you mean this ain't a hotel?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Well, I think Brian, you know, he did not anticipate,
you know what the totality of his behavior was going
to be, just like he didn't anticipate the victims in
that in those rooms that evening. And for some reason,
and it's obviously a book pay grade, it's it's for
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the docs, uh to tell us. But you know, here's
a guy that caused place just what we heard Ted
Bundy in that boat in that footy picture, and he
doesn't realize or maybe he does it. I don't know.
If he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but
at some.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Point he's got a pH d in criminology.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
It's well, that's piled higher and deeper and stupid. That's
what that comes down to. I mean, I don't I
think he's you know, just not the sharpest tool and
evident of the fact that you know everything he does.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Look, look in those complaints where he talks about reciting
back the policies to the to the agency. Are you
kidding me? You know this guy has already read the
policy book. Uh, and so he's going to be a
real treat for them and for the wardens.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Hey, doctor Bethany Marshall, did you hear what McDonough said
that he is not crediting Coburger with being too smart.
I disagree. I think Coburger is smart wildly. Also, you
don't just have a pH d fall in your lap.
But I wonder if he has been so causeted and
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so protected my mommy and daddy, I mean, growing up
on the mean streets of the Poconos, please right.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
You know, Anthony, you can be smart, but you can
also be disturbed, pathological, have poor logic. I think everything
refers back to yourself. Have a poor ability to track
with what goes on in the minds of people around you.
So he may have a high IQ in terms of learning,
but I'm a very low emotional equ You know this
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whole thing about the food and the new.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Pand to Bethany, what are you talking about a low emotion?
Speaker 7 (33:00):
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
EQ?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
What?
Speaker 7 (33:01):
EQ?
Speaker 14 (33:02):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
It's like, don't care his emotional what? The guy murdered
four children. They were babies, They hadn't even held him
full time jobs yet they were living the life in college.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Look at them. He slaughtered them.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Don't give me anything about his emotional what IQ? Whatever
you said, it doesn't matter. He slaughtered them. I don't
care why he did it.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I don't care about his motive. He turned them.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
They're never coming home and they died a horrible death.
And you're telling me about Coburger's emotional IQ.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
What Hey, But Nancy, it takes a lot of intelligence
to pull something like that off, to get through a
PhD program to get away with everything he did. You know,
it takes planning, It takes driving by, it takes you know, rendering.
You know, four people, hopeless killing four people. I mean,
you really have to have thought something through to do that.
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I'm not trying to give him credit, but I'm saying
he's got a whole degree to prepare, to prepare for
this crime. I mean, think about it.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Crime.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I need you to look at your monitor. He is proud.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
This is right after the murders, thumbs up, self aggrandizing smile,
all cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
He probably boiled himself in the shower.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
All the bloody clothes, the bloody evans is all gone,
and here he.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Is thumbs up, guys, I did it. I now know
what it feels like, the murder for innocent people. And
you're talking about an emotional I can I've never heard anything.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Like it in my life, Nancy. This is his doctoral dissertation.
You know how when you get through a PhD program,
you have to write a seat piece of paper and
then amalgamates everything that you've learned and you have to
make a unique contribution to a body of literature. This
is his dissertation. This is what he was preparing for
the whole time. This is why he was able to
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pull it off.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Quick message from our youngest daughter.
Speaker 15 (35:14):
Everyon wanted to say, you may have received a's in
high school and college, but you're going to be getting
big d's in.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Prison crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
He has access to all of those digital photographs.
Speaker 17 (35:39):
These photos are like a serial killer's pornography. It's quite chilling,
living salaciously off of the details of the crime. He's
going to sit in jail and all day long because
I don't think he feels much at all.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Right, Brian Coburger, who confessed he shredded with a kbar
and knife for innocent quasi sleeping Idaho students, Now he
has filed a sexual harassment claim that he's being threatened
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behind bars through the air vents. Okay if that's a threat,
and that he doesn't like his food to any elae
joining us. She is a star podcast Serialously Annie. Isn't
it true that after one night on J block he
demands a transfer? You think those victims can get a
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transfer out of those coffins.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
That's not happening. But he wants off the j block.
Speaker 12 (36:41):
Annie and what's so interesting too, is we talked earlier
about his searches and what he's wanted to do to
victims and what he was interested in. There were so
many reports from people that he went to school with
and other professors about how he was very domineering. He
would block the hallways, he would stand over people watching them.
I'm just in their face all the time. He's now
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complaining over something where they're not even in his face,
they're not blocking him, they're not touching him. It's through
the events and he can't even take which look at
your past behavior. It's just, in my opinions, you reap
what you saw. It could not be happening to a nicer.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Person, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I'd like to follow up on what Annie Elise from
Seriously just said, guys, doctor Hendricks. Former warden and one
of the toughest CI correctional institutes in the country MDC
and Brooklyn also Warden and Sheridan, Oregon, former senior warden.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Usd oj author of who Are You See It? Say
It Sees It? And he's at the New Daylightfoundation dot com.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Doctor Dwayne Hendricks, Really he wants off the j block
after one night.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Thoughts.
Speaker 14 (37:52):
You know, Nasci, I'm going to take a page out
of Chris statement about the hotel. You just can't walk
in a room, don't like the atmosphere and go down
to the lobby and say, hey, give me another room
because I just don't I'm not feeling the king size bed.
I want to double or and I want a swede
or something like that.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
You know.
Speaker 14 (38:12):
As the bureaucrat on the line, Unfortunately, we have to
take his claim seriously about being potentially butts, and it
doesn't make any sense because this is the weakest and
most meritless Prison Rate FORMAC Elimination Act claim in the
history of prison or corrections. I mean, he is in
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a cell, a single cell by himself. Every inmate that
moves on that j block has to be restrained and
wherever they move, whether it's to the shower or wherever
they're going. So I think, and to take a page
out of doctor Bethanye's comments about playing the long game.
What I think he's trying to do is he's trying
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to set a scene to where if they ever put
him in a cell with someone else and he is assaulted,
he wants to go on record to say, hey, there
put me in a position to be harmed so that
he can possibly be moved to a different facility. Unlike
the FEDS, where we try to trade our bad inmates
all the time when we're dealing with inmates that we
really don't want it our facilities. He is at the
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one maximum prison in the state of Idaho. So the
only way he can leave that facility is if he
becomes a state boarder with another state correctional agency or
the FEDS pick him up. And nobody's going to pick
this guy up. So you know, three things I always
talk about, you don't want to be in prison a snitch,
which he's now because now he's rating on inmates number
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two harming women, you know. And also now and the
other thing is he's a malingerer, you know. So now
inmates don't like other inmates that bring attention to these
housing units and where they live. So it's going to
be a long road for the inmates population because of
him being a rat now. But it's also going to
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be a lot of paperwork, a lot of following up
because they have to respond to every claim that he
has because if something happens to him, then he may
have merit to whatever habeas petitions that he may have
based on his conditions.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Dodter Henry's you just told me so much. I try
to write it all down, I'm having to dissect it now.
That was a lot of information.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Are you telling me that he's in the only MAX
in that area?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
So if he is transferred, he's transferred to a local
jail like in Mayberry.
Speaker 14 (40:34):
No, he's not going to Maybury. And I'm going to
tell you right now, the only way he would ever
leave Idaho is if there's an inmate and another jurisdiction
has given that juristick is so many problems. They say,
you know what, we need a break from this person
will take him on. But I just don't see that happening.
But I believe he's playing the long game with his
incarceration and he's trying to set it up to where
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if he does get harmed, then he can say, look,
I was complaining from day one, and this happened to
me a year from now, even three four years from now,
if he's assaulted. So I feel sorry for those folks
in the state of Idaho because they're going to have
a long road dealing.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
With this guy, what about the food compliance? And he put, hey,
let's see the compliants, guys, the handwritten complaints. I wish
to speak with you. I wish to speak with you.
I want to be transferred immediately to the B block.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Be as in brother the food whining? What about that? Hendrix?
Speaker 14 (41:37):
Look again, like Chris said earlier, he's going to get
the special because the inmates prepare the food. The inmates
are the ones to make sure the portion sizes are right,
and they also try to have diversity in the kitchen
so that some inmates don't get smaller portions and other
gets larger based on their gang affiliation or race affiliation.
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He is a I don't care what color he is.
I don't care what game he think he might be.
He's going to be a guy at Every inmate hates
in that facility. So he needs to shut up, be quiet,
and hope that he doesn't get the special every time
his tray comes down the range because the inmates in
special housing helps the officer.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
What do you mean by this special?
Speaker 14 (42:23):
He could be could be some body fluid. There are
some other things in that in his tray. That's what
I mean by the special, So you know I hate
for somebody to urine in it, maybe put some poop
in it. Maybe you know, there it's not or whatever,
whatever special they want to come up with, that's the special.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Okay, Chris mcdonna jump in.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
I love Warden Henders, That's exactly what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Wait so much, just love him so much.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Just just wait until the inmates figure out that this guy,
Brian Koger, sees them as bugs. He this guy thinks
he's above everybody, above every consequence. But the inmates have
already figured him out. And what you know we talked
about a couple of weeks ago, Nancy on your show,
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is they were waiting for him because somehow they had
figured him out. And now he's just digging a ditch
worse and worse. And you know, Doc is right this
he's just going to be an absolute disaster to manage.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
You know what, doctor Bethany Marshall, it's not going to
get He's never going to stop. Yeah, And I say
that because you know, my theory is when you don't
know a horse.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
Look at his track record.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Even though he was told to stop, he never quit
bullying women that he taught. Remember he was a teaching assistant.
I mean, his bad behavior happened over and over and
over again. And he says himself now as the victim,
Doctor Bethany.
Speaker 7 (44:06):
Yes he does.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
And so you're right.
Speaker 6 (44:08):
Past behavior is a predictor of future behavior. So some
of the complaints lodged against him. When he was a student,
he cornered one guy into a three hour conversation, and
this fellow student wanted to report Coburger as having verbally
kidnapped him, which I think is fascinating. He would have
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no body space between him and other women. He would
use ablest sexist, misogynist language. He would power over women,
he would try to intimidate them. He can't do that
with the other inmates, Nancy, So now he's trying to
do it with the prison guards and the staff. And
I think what doctor Hendrick said so beautifully is that
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he is going to try to threaten and undermine and
manipulate the authority of the bureaucus bureaucracy of the prison.
But all he's doing is creating a nightmare for other people.
He's not going to be able to get traction. You know,
the serial killer that Coburger reminds me of, the most
in BTK. And I'll tell you why bt K was
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such a messy killer. But he was so rigid. He
would he was the dog catcher in the neighborhood. He
was the local deacon. He would complain if people's grasp
was too long. I mean he sort of it was
his own little mini rain of terror over his neighborhood.
And now Coburger's doing the exact same thing with the
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dishes and the pans and the what's coming through the
air vents. It's like he still believes he's in charge
even though he's behind bars. And I like the doctor
Hendrix pointed out sort of how conniving it is that
he's actually trying to get himself transferred. That is not
just arrogance on a small scale. But this guy has
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all day long to sit around and plot and plan
and try to think about how to get himself out
of there, and people are going to have to respond.
In a sense, he's harassing the prison.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
You know what, Dr Bethany, let me give you my
expert legal analysis.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Okay, boo efing who? And the reason I say boo
effing who Coburger is because of this Joe Scott reality check.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
What was done to the.
Speaker 8 (46:30):
Victims, pure unadulterated slaughter, over and over and over again.
Blood soaked is the way I would describe it.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
And let me want it.
Speaker 8 (46:43):
If you like that, let me give you one more piece.
He might be sentenced to prison for the rest of
his life, but these kids paid with their lives and
guess who else is paying their families. Their families will
be in a prison for the rest of their days
because of what this guy has done. Nancy.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Now we remember an American hero Officer Matthew Baxter, Casimi
Police Department, Florida, just twenty seven, shot down in the
line of duty, leaving behind a grieving wife, Sadia, and
three children. American hero Officer Matthew Baxter. Nancy Gray signing
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off goodbye friend.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Brian Coburger, the four time convicted killer who sliced four
beautiful University IDO students dead. Brian Coburger has filed a
sexual harassment claim.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
From behind bars over a but f threat. He is
also after.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
One day on the j block, demanding a transfer and
of course.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Whining about the food.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes, Brian Coburger, four time convicted killer, has filed a
sex harassment claim. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
And then let me ask you.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Did you on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two enter the
residents at one one two two King Road in Moscow,
Idaho if you attempt to commit the developing crime with.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
And I don't know a location, emergency, no way.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I rarely say this, and I would never ever say
it in front of a judge or a journey. But
I really don't even know where to start. Should I
start with this complaint? For Coburger says I have on
several occasions and not received all the items of food
on my tray. I address this during service. I guess
food service like he's have got a butler and have
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yet to receive any placements. In fact, the kitchen is
not even called. Okay, yeah, I'm not starting with that.
I'm not starting with complaining to the butler.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I'm going to.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Start and not with the sex harassment claims with the
butt f compliant. I'm gonna start with the victims. Take
a listen to this nine one.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
One call can on one location of your emergency. You
don't know what what is the address of the emergency.
What is the rest of the address? Oh, King two Roads, Okay,
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And there's not a house or an apartment, it's the house.
Can you repeat the adress to make sure that I
have it right.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I'll talk to you guys.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
We're you live the lights, so we're next to them.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
I need someone to repeat the address for ramification.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
The address one one to two key drugs. And you hear.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
The victim that lived, one of the two victims that lived,
screaming and sobbing, and she's screaming.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Out the name Xana Ethan.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And we know that Xana was attacked on the steps.
We know that Killie Gonsolvis was unrecognizable.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
She was stabbed so many times in the face.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
Listen she's not waking up.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Okay, one moment, I'm going to help her.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That way, before I get to Brian Cooberger's complaints that
he is being sexually harassed through the air vents and
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that his food is not up to par. To Joseph
Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a hit
podcast Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan, these complaints are
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almost laughable if it weren't for the knowledge of what
happened to those four students.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Lay it out, We's.
Speaker 8 (04:49):
Start with a number seven inches seven inches of steel
being slice, used to slice, and used to stab over
and over and over again, systematically, one by one as
he makes his way through this home. This reptile went
from the top floor to the second floor, ending lives
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all along the way, leaving a trail of horror that
the police came upon that morning. And I don't think
they could actually take the measure of it, Nancy. And
then again, like more like a rat, he sneaks out
through that back door and exits and vanishes into the night.
After he's done this, and you want to complain, you
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want to complain about what faces you right now, Tell
it somewhere else. Tell your story food.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
He's actually complaining about the food. I want to get
back to.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
What was done, was physically done to these four students,
Joe Scott Morgan, You know, my little babies are about
to go off to college, and all I can think
about is Brian fing Kobe. What was done to these students?
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What did he do to them? And all you trolls
online that keep telling me he was set up, he
pled guilty to this, tell them, Joe Scott.
Speaker 8 (06:14):
Yeah, just starting off with Kaylee in the top room
up there. You had mentioned earlier that she was unrecognizable.
The bony structures in her face are disrupted to the
point where they couldn't make a physical ID on her
just by doing the visual ID because she had been
so traumatized in addition to the other stab wounds that
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she had received to her Torso you think about Xana,
who you know, we've heard stories about Kaylee where you
know from twenty four to thirty, mister Gonzalez was saying
thirty thirty injuries with her nancy with Xana, we're talking
fifty plus over and over and over again. She was
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cut so bad that she had grabbed hold of this blade.
It had cut into her tendons of her hand so
that they would literally be non operational if she's trying
to defend herself. She's got blocking injuries on both of
her forearms where her arms have been sliced repeatedly. You've
got Ethan laying in the bed. He's got a horrible
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gash approximating his collarbone and his neck where he bleeds
out in that spot. And you know, we can't forget
about Maddie. You know she's brutalized there in bed, adjacent
to her best friend. They've grown up together, Nancy, they
have lived life together, they've gone off to college together,
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and their lives both ended in that small space together
because this animal comes into the house and shreds them.
Speaker 9 (07:47):
You know, Scott, when you put it that way.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
As you know we've discussed many times for years and
years after my fiancees murder, I would have night terrors.
Not just nightmares, it's where you wake up terrorized, screaming, running.
If that's just a dream, imagine, just imagine what these
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four beautiful that I keep using that we're beautiful students
went through the night. They were slaughred by Coburger and
now he's claiming somebody sex harassing him through the air vent.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Hey, you know another thing.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I want to go straight out to a special guest.
Heather Barnhardt. She's Institute Fellow at CIS Admin Audit Network Security,
Senior Director forens at Research at Celebrate, which is amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Either to top it all off, after he.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Literally slaughters these four students, he gets on the phone
and you can prove this and call his mommy. He
gets comforted by his mommy. And you, Heather, have been
able to analyze hours and hours of him calling mommy,
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explain how you found it and what you found.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
On his Android device.
Speaker 10 (09:19):
We used Celebrate Physical Analyzer software to just parse the information.
And one of the things that's rate in the forefront
is that Brian Koberger started calling his mom as early
as six thirteen in the morning, right after the murders
and was on the phone with her apparently when he
returned to the scene of the crime.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
You mean, when he goes back that morning to just see, yes,
anyone has discovered his handiwork, his masterpiece of murder. He's
on the phone with his mother Oh, oh, my stars,
I didn't get that timing from reading your analysis. Wait
a minute, I gotta let this sink in for a moment.
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It's like, mommy, look, look at me. And he's on
the phone with his mommy while he's driving back to
the scene of the crime that.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Morning for fifty four minutes.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Oh okay, I'm gonna have to go to a shrink,
but first I want to follow up with Heather Barnhart. Guys,
looks and brains amazing. Heather Barnhart, one of the digital
forensic investigators on the Brian Coberger quadruple murder case.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And it wasn't just then.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
As he's going back to survey his handiwork, he's on
the phone with mommy. He calls her first thing in
the morning and they talk for an hour, then he
calls her at lunchtime. Then he has to call her
before he goes to bed at night. I mean, describe
these lengthy conversations with his mother that you uncovered.
Speaker 10 (10:54):
Day in and day out to go to bed, as
you just said, first thing in the morning and the
wake up texting and immediate called linked to mother every
single day. She was a huge security blanket, almost a
necessity in his.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Life, and then when he leaves home and moves to Pullman,
this happens. What else did you uncover in your digital investigation, Heather, lots.
Speaker 10 (11:18):
Of browser searching for serial killers, as I mentioned with
you previously, an obsession with himself, so researching serial killers
and then immediately taking selfies to replicate what he had read.
So that picture of him in the black hoodie was
taken after researching Ted Bundy, and in that research it
was Ted Bundy in that black hoodie, and he replicated
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the photo.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
And of course there are all the American psycho selfies
he took where he replicated Christian mail. And of course, Heather,
our kids can't thank you enough. You were the first
person to tell me that he was a fan of
crime stories. And had you found photos screen grabs? I
guess of that on his phone?
Speaker 10 (12:01):
Yes, a screen grab very similar to this right here,
of you with crime written under the headline.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Okay, I'll just keep that right up here forever. Okay,
I want to go back to what's happening right now.
Take a listen to this.
Speaker 11 (12:14):
After sending his first note of complaint after his first
night in prison, Coberger follows it up a few days
later with another note, this one given to a guard
and claiming he's the victim of sexual harassment. In the note,
Coberger claims one inmate is threatening to rape him, while
another inmate says, the only ass we'll be eating is coburger's.
(12:35):
Coburger offers up the name of a guard he says
heard the threats and harassment, so his claims can be verified.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Okay, the only ass we'll be eating is coburgers, and
he was also threatened and this is all through the
air vents that he would be quote but ft Okay,
joining me right now, Annie Elise. She is creator and
CEO of ten to Life and she is as a
star of Serealously podcast.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Annie.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Okay, This guy, Brian Koberger, who admits he murdered four people,
is now filing a sex harassment complaint.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
He is very careful to say I'm not part of
the flooding of the cells.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I didn't do that, and complaints about the food being
placed on his trade.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Let's start with the sex harassment complaints.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And I'm sure it's not lost on doctor Bethany Marshall,
who I'm going to in one moment that he is
the one that conducted all of the searches about raping
women when they are comatose, drunk on drugs, passed out,
or worse. Before he goes and tries to murder three
(13:49):
sleeping girls. Well, they were not asleep when he murdered them,
but that was his intent. Okay, tell me about the
complaints Annie exactly.
Speaker 12 (13:58):
Not only did he have this higher search history of
him wanting to do this exact thing to other victims,
but he's kind of in a roundabout way getting his wish.
He always wanted to be the most important guy in
the room, and.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Now he is.
Speaker 12 (14:12):
It's just in the wrong setting, and it's just the
consequences of your own actions. Not only are you in
prison for what you did to these poor victims, but.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
You didn't want the death penalty.
Speaker 12 (14:22):
You wanted the plea deal so that you wouldn't have
to face that, and this is now the consequences of that.
He just strikes me as somebody who always, of course
thinks he's the smartest, that he should be treated special,
that he should be different, and we're saying that that
is no different now that he is incarcerated. He still
thinks he deserves that special important treatment.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Okay, what exactly does he claim in his sex harassment file.
Speaker 12 (14:48):
So he's claiming that they are saying that they are
going to but f him. Also those the words of
the only ass that we're going to be eating is coburger.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Annie, Annie.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Before you go any further, the first time I had
to curse in front of a jury, I paused.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It was like a dirt sandwich.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
But in about two months I was saying every word
imaginable because it's what defenant said.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And I would have to quote them, what.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
They stated, what they wrote, what they threatened, the P word,
the F word, the C word, that you name it.
Word all came out of this mouth. As I would
explain things to jury's. They didn't like it, but by
the time the trial would be over it, they were
numb to it as well. So the word but okay,
I don't let my children say it, but you can
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say it. I want to hear what Coburger is saying
in his sex harassment complaint verbatim.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 12 (15:52):
He is saying that they are going to butt him.
He is hearing them say the only ass that will
be eating is Coburger's, which by the way, those are
obviously awful things, but those pale in comparison to the
searches that were on his devices of what he wanted
to do to his victims and what he turned him
on and what he was interested in. So the fact
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that he wants any sort of empathy now and special treatment,
nobody feels bad for this guy.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Straight out to Troy Slayton, veteran defense attorney, joining us
out of La Troy, Mommy.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
They threatened to hurt me through the air vent.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Really, and they follow a sex harassment complaint to the jail.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
You know what that's called, right, A rat? A snitch?
Speaker 13 (16:40):
That's true, Nancy, And you know the old saying snitches
get stitches or end up in ditches. But what's important
here is that we don't forget a little thing called
the Constitution.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I carried it around in my pocket. There's the eighth.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Amendment of the Constitution.
Speaker 13 (16:58):
Now we all did it prohibits, as you know, cruel
and unusual punishment. And if he is being subjected to
physical violence, to some sort of starvation, or if the
prison is not meeting its own nutritional standards, then.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Slayton, has anybody said that anybody touched a hair on Coburger's.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Head, that's a yes.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
No, that has not been a leg Has anyone said
that Coburger has not been given enough food?
Speaker 1 (17:35):
That's a yes. No.
Speaker 13 (17:36):
Well, he's claiming that in one of his complaints.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
That's not what he claimed.
Speaker 13 (17:41):
He's saying that the prison.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Sid all items are seed on my tray.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I address this during service, his butler, I guess, and
have yet to receive replacements. Replacement means he just doesn't like.
Oh he doesn't like. Get used to it. No one
has starved him, no one has touched him. He's complaining
because the inmates are whispering at him through the airvent
(18:10):
are you serious? Just put the constitution away. Don't degrade
the constitution like that, please.
Speaker 13 (18:17):
One of the guards corroborated the threats that he's receiving
and just said that they weren't able to discern which
one of the inmates, because of course a prison guard
doesn't want to exactly what they does.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Between.
Speaker 13 (18:32):
The prison guard is smart enough to know not to
get involved in the confrontations between inmates because that can only.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Go bad for that.
Speaker 13 (18:39):
Okay, be clear, we have to live with those people
every day.
Speaker 14 (18:42):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Okay, so you're claiming the guard is in on it
and doesn't want to tell the truth.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Actually, that's not what the guard said.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
He did not corroborate threats of but effing or as aiding,
this is what he said.
Speaker 11 (18:57):
An incident notification report is filled out by the guardard
who received the second Coburger note, and the guard named
by Coberger, is questioned about the claims made by the
admitted quadruple murderer, and a report filed three days later.
The guard says he recalls vulgar language being used and
directed towards Coburger, but he doesn't know which inmates made
the threats.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So actually, the guard says, he recalls vulgar language directed
towards Coburger.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Through the air van. Really, but no one.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Has touched Coburger, no one has hurt Coburger.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And he's getting.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Food he wants so replacement. He doesn't like his block. Awey, Okay,
let's get real. This is what.
Speaker 14 (19:38):
Happened to me.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
At what's going on?
Speaker 15 (19:42):
One of our one of the roommates has passed out
and she's drunk last night and short like up.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Oh and they saw some man in their house as night.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Yeah, Hian, are you in the patient?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (19:56):
I need someone who keeps the phone, stop tossing it around.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Can I just tell you what happened? Very much?
Speaker 5 (20:02):
What is going on currently if someone passed out right now?
Speaker 6 (20:06):
I don't really know what pretty much victorium.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Okay, so I need to know what's going on right
now if someone is passed out.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Can you find that out?
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Yeah, I'll come to check.
Speaker 14 (20:17):
We have to.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Crime stories with Nancy Gray.
Speaker 14 (20:30):
Are one of the roommates has passed out and she's
drown class and shall not wake you up?
Speaker 15 (20:35):
Did you?
Speaker 4 (20:36):
On November thirteenth, twenty twenty two in Leayta County, State
of Idaho, kill and murder Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonzalves, Xana Kernole,
Ethan Chapman.
Speaker 14 (20:47):
Yes, oh, and they saw some man of their house out.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Professor Jays Scott Morgan, what exactly is arterial spray?
Speaker 6 (20:55):
So you have my.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
Vessels that are directing off of the heart, and so
every time the heart contracts, okay, it pumps, right, we're
thinking about pumping. You hit the artery and as opposed
to say a vein veins kind of ooze if you
will artery spray. So when this pipped, this is going
to transport the blood through the air and it turns
(21:19):
out in a very specific pattern. It'll have almost if
you think about this is why I kind of always
describe it. If you think about, say, for instance, taking
a can of aerosolt hair spray and spraying it on
a mirror, and you see that kind of fine miss
that comes up on the mirror. That's kind of the
way the deposition of this is. It's very fine, tiny
(21:41):
little particulates, and sometimes you'll see these long ranging streaks
as well, dependent upon the position. Of course, position changes
because you've got an individual that is so incredibly butchered,
they're trying to relieve the pain. They'll twist and they'll turn,
and so you'll get this kind of overlapping depth. Asian.
(22:01):
It's a horrible thing to witness because when you're at
the scene, Nancy, it's almost like death has painted on
the wall in those last moments of their lives, and
you can see it kind of laid out before you.
If you understand blood blood pattern deposition, it's really quite
the horror show.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst, author of Deal breakers you
can see her on peacock. She's at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com.
Doctor Bethany Ethan's jugular vein.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Was slashed, and now Brian Hoberger, who admits to doing
that to Ethan, admits to disfiguring Keilly Goel's office's face.
Maddie just stabbed what thirty forty times brutalized.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Now he is whining that someone is sex harassing.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Him through the air of it, you know, Nancy, It
makes sense to me because I also recalled it. One
of his professors predicted that once he got his PhD,
he would have more access to potentially assaulting and harassing women.
He loved to predate. He had a pattern of predating.
(23:29):
So I think the problem in the prison for him
is he would like to anally rape others, but he
doesn't like it so much when somebody wants to anally
rape him, see, because then the powershifts. As long as
he's doing what he did when he was a student assistant,
cornering women, cornering people into conversations, towering over them, stalking them,
(23:54):
harassing them, slitting someone's throat, you know, stabbing a woman
multiple times in the face. As long as he is
in charge, he loves it. That's why he's imitating serial killers.
It reminds me of like bt K, who really he
(24:14):
wanted so much power, not only over one victim or
two victims, but over entire families all at once. But
now now that Brian Koberger cannot engage in that reign
of terror, people are doing it to him and he
does not like the reversal. Now, this thing about talking
(24:35):
to mommy all the time, I really hate to say
this on the air, but I wouldn't be surprised to
discover that he was sexually attracted to his mother. That
this wasn't just you know, bragging to mommy or mommy
making him feel secure and safe in the world.
Speaker 16 (24:51):
But I think Brian.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Koberger eroticized and sexualized everybody. I'm not saying the mother
participated in it necessarily. It could have all been just
in Brian Coworker's own head. But I think he is
constantly constantly sexualizing. He just doesn't like it when other
people do it to him. And one other small point,
Nancy is we have a term in my field called
(25:14):
auto erotic honor. Erotic is when a person sexual energy
is directed back against the self, like they're in love
with themselves, They're excited by themselves, like maybe they might masturbate,
masturbate while looking in a mirror because the thought of
their own body is more exciting than anything else. So
(25:38):
he's also stuck in that position where somebody else intrudes,
like another prisoner or inmate. He's not going to like
that because it's not all about him and him being.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
In charge, DoD to Bethany.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Another irony here is that he is the one that
did all of those damning digital source about raping women
when they are passed out, when they are drawnk when
they're on drugs, when they're comatose, and that is what
(26:11):
he was expecting to find when he went into the
King wrote address.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
That is what he wanted because he loves.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Being in a position of power. I mean it's like
it was at the max Factor heir who would drug
women and then he would actually film himself, you know,
having sex with them. The idea of the woman being
comatose is the ultimate ultimate power play, that's all it is.
So when you think about somebody who needs that kind
(26:41):
of power all of a sudden, being behind bars, he
doesn't get all of his goodies on his tray. The
other prisoners are mocking him.
Speaker 16 (26:51):
That is just the opposite of how he's lived his
entire life, which is with the illusion of being in
control of the entire world.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
All of this a sexual harassment complaint, whining about his food, claiming,
I wish for the items to be called for and
items replaced, when this something something the nutritional standards are
(27:26):
not being upheld. Really, he wants to receive quote replacements. Again,
he doesn't like his wlok we okay, that's the whole
food issue that we've been hearing about since day one.
If you will recall his relatives, he wanted them to
buy all new cook wear and cook not he cooked,
(27:48):
but he wanted them the service to prepare his meals
on plates and in dishes, in pots and pans that
had never touched meat before. Or this is a continuing
thing with him. But about the complaints, about the complaints,
let me understand. Chris McDonough joining me, director Cole Case Foundation,
(28:12):
former homicide detective. I found him on YouTube at the
interview room. What a turn of events. Chris McDonough.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Maybe these words are ringing in his ears listen put
message from our youngest daughter.
Speaker 15 (28:31):
However, we wanted to say, you may received a's in
high school and college, but you're going to begin big
d's in prison.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
That was it sentencing, and I had to think Ken
somewhere in here.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Really, he's complaining about people whispering to him through the event.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
This guy who slaughtered, who ripped apart four beautiful co eds,
ripped them apart with a military k bart knife. That
guy is whining about his broccoli and the other inmates
taunting him through the heating vent.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, Nancy, and let's remind the world we broke that
here on your show. And at this point, if we
look on the Department Corrections website, they call their inmates residents. Okay, well,
here's a call coming in, Brian. This is not a hotel.
And what Brian's about to understand is that his virginity
as we speak, is being traded for half a cigarette,
(29:37):
and that his mother had better pack some commissary orders
so that he has items to trade. I mean, when
we talk about the kitchen sending in food, just wait
till he gets the special. Okay. He wanted to cosplay
a killer. Now he's going to hang out with them,
They will show him no mercy.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Guys, you're seeing a leaked video, still trying to author indicated.
All the jails are going, hey, it's not us. But
McDonough pointed out, as did a lot of people online
after you spoke McDonough, that this is in a medical
unit somewhere and we think it was videoed by someone
on their cell phone of a security video, much like
(30:20):
the Casaventuria beat down in the Seawan Combs prosecution, that
was a.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Cell phone video of a CCTV feed.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Okay, now I want to address the actual complaints, the complaints.
But Chris McDonough, when you said this ain't the Ritz
Coburg or what did you mean by that? Actually I paraphrase,
but what do you mean this ain't a hotel?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Well, I think Brian, you know, he did not anticipate,
you know what the totality of his behavior was going
to be, just like he didn't anticipate the victims in
that in those rooms that evening. And for some reason,
and it's obviously a book pay grade, it's it's for
(31:05):
the docs, uh to tell us. But you know, here's
a guy that caused place just what we heard Ted
Bundy in that boat in that footy picture, and he
doesn't realize or maybe he does it. I don't know.
If he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but
at some.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Point he's got a pH d in criminology.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
It's well, that's piled higher and deeper and stupid. That's
what that comes down to. I mean, I don't I
think he's you know, just not the sharpest tool and
evident of the fact that you know everything he does.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Look, look in those complaints where he talks about reciting
back the policies to the to the agency. Are you
kidding me? You know this guy has already read the
policy book. Uh, and so he's going to be a
real treat for them and for the wardens.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Hey, doctor Bethany Marshall, did you hear what McDonough said
that he is not crediting Coburger with being too smart.
I disagree. I think Coburger is smart wildly. Also, you
don't just have a pH d fall in your lap.
But I wonder if he has been so causeted and
(32:23):
so protected my mommy and daddy, I mean, growing up
on the mean streets of the Poconos, please right.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
You know, Anthony, you can be smart, but you can
also be disturbed, pathological, have poor logic. I think everything
refers back to yourself. Have a poor ability to track
with what goes on in the minds of people around you.
So he may have a high IQ in terms of learning,
but I'm a very low emotional equ You know this
(32:52):
whole thing about the food and the new.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Pand to Bethany, what are you talking about a low emotion?
Speaker 7 (33:00):
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
EQ?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
What?
Speaker 7 (33:01):
EQ?
Speaker 14 (33:02):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
It's like, don't care his emotional what? The guy murdered
four children. They were babies, They hadn't even held him
full time jobs yet they were living the life in college.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Look at them. He slaughtered them.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Don't give me anything about his emotional what IQ? Whatever
you said, it doesn't matter. He slaughtered them. I don't
care why he did it.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I don't care about his motive. He turned them.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
They're never coming home and they died a horrible death.
And you're telling me about Coburger's emotional IQ.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
What Hey, But Nancy, it takes a lot of intelligence
to pull something like that off, to get through a
PhD program to get away with everything he did. You know,
it takes planning, It takes driving by, it takes you know, rendering.
You know, four people, hopeless killing four people. I mean,
you really have to have thought something through to do that.
(34:07):
I'm not trying to give him credit, but I'm saying
he's got a whole degree to prepare, to prepare for
this crime. I mean, think about it.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Crime.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I need you to look at your monitor. He is proud.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
This is right after the murders, thumbs up, self aggrandizing smile,
all cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
He probably boiled himself in the shower.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
All the bloody clothes, the bloody evans is all gone,
and here he.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Is thumbs up, guys, I did it. I now know
what it feels like, the murder for innocent people. And
you're talking about an emotional I can I've never heard anything.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Like it in my life, Nancy. This is his doctoral dissertation.
You know how when you get through a PhD program,
you have to write a seat piece of paper and
then amalgamates everything that you've learned and you have to
make a unique contribution to a body of literature. This
is his dissertation. This is what he was preparing for
the whole time. This is why he was able to
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pull it off.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Quick message from our youngest daughter.
Speaker 15 (35:14):
Everyon wanted to say, you may have received a's in
high school and college, but you're going to be getting
big d's in.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Prison crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
He has access to all of those digital photographs.
Speaker 17 (35:39):
These photos are like a serial killer's pornography. It's quite chilling,
living salaciously off of the details of the crime. He's
going to sit in jail and all day long because
I don't think he feels much at all.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Right, Brian Coburger, who confessed he shredded with a kbar
and knife for innocent quasi sleeping Idaho students, Now he
has filed a sexual harassment claim that he's being threatened
(36:16):
behind bars through the air vents. Okay if that's a threat,
and that he doesn't like his food to any elae
joining us. She is a star podcast Serialously Annie. Isn't
it true that after one night on J block he
demands a transfer? You think those victims can get a
(36:37):
transfer out of those coffins.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
That's not happening. But he wants off the j block.
Speaker 12 (36:41):
Annie and what's so interesting too, is we talked earlier
about his searches and what he's wanted to do to
victims and what he was interested in. There were so
many reports from people that he went to school with
and other professors about how he was very domineering. He
would block the hallways, he would stand over people watching them.
I'm just in their face all the time. He's now
(37:02):
complaining over something where they're not even in his face,
they're not blocking him, they're not touching him. It's through
the events and he can't even take which look at
your past behavior. It's just, in my opinions, you reap
what you saw. It could not be happening to a nicer.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Person, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I'd like to follow up on what Annie Elise from
Seriously just said, guys, doctor Hendricks. Former warden and one
of the toughest CI correctional institutes in the country MDC
and Brooklyn also Warden and Sheridan, Oregon, former senior warden.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Usd oj author of who Are You See It? Say
It Sees It? And he's at the New Daylightfoundation dot com.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Doctor Dwayne Hendricks, Really he wants off the j block
after one night.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Thoughts.
Speaker 14 (37:52):
You know, Nasci, I'm going to take a page out
of Chris statement about the hotel. You just can't walk
in a room, don't like the atmosphere and go down
to the lobby and say, hey, give me another room
because I just don't I'm not feeling the king size bed.
I want to double or and I want a swede
or something like that.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
You know.
Speaker 14 (38:12):
As the bureaucrat on the line, Unfortunately, we have to
take his claim seriously about being potentially butts, and it
doesn't make any sense because this is the weakest and
most meritless Prison Rate FORMAC Elimination Act claim in the
history of prison or corrections. I mean, he is in
(38:33):
a cell, a single cell by himself. Every inmate that
moves on that j block has to be restrained and
wherever they move, whether it's to the shower or wherever
they're going. So I think, and to take a page
out of doctor Bethanye's comments about playing the long game.
What I think he's trying to do is he's trying
(38:53):
to set a scene to where if they ever put
him in a cell with someone else and he is assaulted,
he wants to go on record to say, hey, there
put me in a position to be harmed so that
he can possibly be moved to a different facility. Unlike
the FEDS, where we try to trade our bad inmates
all the time when we're dealing with inmates that we
really don't want it our facilities. He is at the
(39:16):
one maximum prison in the state of Idaho. So the
only way he can leave that facility is if he
becomes a state boarder with another state correctional agency or
the FEDS pick him up. And nobody's going to pick
this guy up. So you know, three things I always
talk about, you don't want to be in prison a snitch,
which he's now because now he's rating on inmates number
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two harming women, you know. And also now and the
other thing is he's a malingerer, you know. So now
inmates don't like other inmates that bring attention to these
housing units and where they live. So it's going to
be a long road for the inmates population because of
him being a rat now. But it's also going to
(40:00):
be a lot of paperwork, a lot of following up
because they have to respond to every claim that he
has because if something happens to him, then he may
have merit to whatever habeas petitions that he may have
based on his conditions.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Dodter Henry's you just told me so much. I try
to write it all down, I'm having to dissect it now.
That was a lot of information.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Are you telling me that he's in the only MAX
in that area?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
So if he is transferred, he's transferred to a local
jail like in Mayberry.
Speaker 14 (40:34):
No, he's not going to Maybury. And I'm going to
tell you right now, the only way he would ever
leave Idaho is if there's an inmate and another jurisdiction
has given that juristick is so many problems. They say,
you know what, we need a break from this person
will take him on. But I just don't see that happening.
But I believe he's playing the long game with his
incarceration and he's trying to set it up to where
(40:56):
if he does get harmed, then he can say, look,
I was complaining from day one, and this happened to
me a year from now, even three four years from now,
if he's assaulted. So I feel sorry for those folks
in the state of Idaho because they're going to have
a long road dealing.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
With this guy, what about the food compliance? And he put, hey,
let's see the compliants, guys, the handwritten complaints. I wish
to speak with you. I wish to speak with you.
I want to be transferred immediately to the B block.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Be as in brother the food whining? What about that? Hendrix?
Speaker 14 (41:37):
Look again, like Chris said earlier, he's going to get
the special because the inmates prepare the food. The inmates
are the ones to make sure the portion sizes are right,
and they also try to have diversity in the kitchen
so that some inmates don't get smaller portions and other
gets larger based on their gang affiliation or race affiliation.
(41:59):
He is a I don't care what color he is.
I don't care what game he think he might be.
He's going to be a guy at Every inmate hates
in that facility. So he needs to shut up, be quiet,
and hope that he doesn't get the special every time
his tray comes down the range because the inmates in
special housing helps the officer.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
What do you mean by this special?
Speaker 14 (42:23):
He could be could be some body fluid. There are
some other things in that in his tray. That's what
I mean by the special, So you know I hate
for somebody to urine in it, maybe put some poop
in it. Maybe you know, there it's not or whatever,
whatever special they want to come up with, that's the special.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Okay, Chris mcdonna jump in.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
I love Warden Henders, That's exactly what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Wait so much, just love him so much.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Just just wait until the inmates figure out that this guy,
Brian Koger, sees them as bugs. He this guy thinks
he's above everybody, above every consequence. But the inmates have
already figured him out. And what you know we talked
about a couple of weeks ago, Nancy on your show,
(43:18):
is they were waiting for him because somehow they had
figured him out. And now he's just digging a ditch
worse and worse. And you know, Doc is right this
he's just going to be an absolute disaster to manage.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
You know what, doctor Bethany Marshall, it's not going to
get He's never going to stop. Yeah, And I say
that because you know, my theory is when you don't
know a horse.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
Look at his track record.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Even though he was told to stop, he never quit
bullying women that he taught. Remember he was a teaching assistant.
I mean, his bad behavior happened over and over and
over again. And he says himself now as the victim,
Doctor Bethany.
Speaker 7 (44:06):
Yes he does.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
And so you're right.
Speaker 6 (44:08):
Past behavior is a predictor of future behavior. So some
of the complaints lodged against him. When he was a student,
he cornered one guy into a three hour conversation, and
this fellow student wanted to report Coburger as having verbally
kidnapped him, which I think is fascinating. He would have
(44:29):
no body space between him and other women. He would
use ablest sexist, misogynist language. He would power over women,
he would try to intimidate them. He can't do that
with the other inmates, Nancy, So now he's trying to
do it with the prison guards and the staff. And
I think what doctor Hendrick said so beautifully is that
(44:53):
he is going to try to threaten and undermine and
manipulate the authority of the bureaucus bureaucracy of the prison.
But all he's doing is creating a nightmare for other people.
He's not going to be able to get traction. You know,
the serial killer that Coburger reminds me of, the most
in BTK. And I'll tell you why bt K was
(45:15):
such a messy killer. But he was so rigid. He
would he was the dog catcher in the neighborhood. He
was the local deacon. He would complain if people's grasp
was too long. I mean he sort of it was
his own little mini rain of terror over his neighborhood.
And now Coburger's doing the exact same thing with the
(45:36):
dishes and the pans and the what's coming through the
air vents. It's like he still believes he's in charge
even though he's behind bars. And I like the doctor
Hendrix pointed out sort of how conniving it is that
he's actually trying to get himself transferred. That is not
just arrogance on a small scale. But this guy has
(45:58):
all day long to sit around and plot and plan
and try to think about how to get himself out
of there, and people are going to have to respond.
In a sense, he's harassing the prison.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
You know what, Dr Bethany, let me give you my
expert legal analysis.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Okay, boo efing who? And the reason I say boo
effing who Coburger is because of this Joe Scott reality check.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
What was done to the.
Speaker 8 (46:30):
Victims, pure unadulterated slaughter, over and over and over again.
Blood soaked is the way I would describe it.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
And let me want it.
Speaker 8 (46:43):
If you like that, let me give you one more piece.
He might be sentenced to prison for the rest of
his life, but these kids paid with their lives and
guess who else is paying their families. Their families will
be in a prison for the rest of their days
because of what this guy has done. Nancy.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Now we remember an American hero Officer Matthew Baxter, Casimi
Police Department, Florida, just twenty seven, shot down in the
line of duty, leaving behind a grieving wife, Sadia, and
three children. American hero Officer Matthew Baxter. Nancy Gray signing
(47:27):
off goodbye friend.
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Nancy Grace
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