July 17, 2025 • 43 mins
Young mom, Sara Ebersole, vanishes without a trace and her family is still searching for answers. On March 31, 2023, the Marion County Sheriff’s Office post a release about Sara’s disappearance. According to the post, Sara was captured on security footage on March 2, 2023, at around 10:00 p.m., in the area of the Circle K gas station located at 17980 N Highway 441 in Reddick, Florida. The release also states Sara willingly left the convenience store in a black pickup truck with two unknown males.
The then-26-year-old Ebersole was given a ride from the convenience store to a residence located off Highway 441 in Reddick. She was dropped off at the home with another individual. Sara spent a portion of that night with a male, who lived in one-half of a subdivided residence. The sheriff’s office states that at around 1:25 a.m. on March 3, 2023, that male known as James Robinson begins texting a man identified as Morman. In those messages, Robinson mentions Ebersole is “hanging out” at his home. During the conversation, Morman asks if Ebersole would be interested in meeting him and asked if he could come to Robinson’s residence. Robinson agreed, and Morman arrived shortly thereafter.
According to Sara's family, she goes missing on March 3, 2023, from Reddick, Florida and Sara's Gmail timeline was viewed and deleted and her iCloud location shows on and she's using YouTube until 240am. Someone also attempted to get on Sara's snapchat, at 1:47pm. Sara is not just missing; she is classified as an endangered person.
Marion County Sheriff’s Office is seeking any information from the public that may help find Sara.
If you have any information, please call Detective Ryan Stith at (352) 368-3542 or the Marion County Sheriff's Office non-emergency number of (352) 732-9111. To remain anonymous, call Crime Stoppers of Marion County at (352) 368-STOP (7867) and reference 23-71 in your tip.
Joining Nancy Grace today,
- Michele Tullis - Sara Ebersole's sister
- Matthew Barhoma - Trial attorney with Power Trial Lawyers, website: powertriallawyers.com, Instagram: @MatthewBarhoma
- Dr. Leslie Dobson Clinical and Forensic Psychologist, Host of a New Podcast on iHeart titled: "Intentionally Disturbing," www.drlesliedobson.com , Author of the Book “The Friend Cleanse - How to set boundaries with energy vampires” @drlesliedobson
- Ashley Wardlow- Private Investigator and Chief Operations Officers at Nathans Investigations, website: www.nathans-investigations.com, IG: @miamiprivateinvestigators, FB: nathansinvestigations
- Geovany Dias - Reporter for WFTV 9 in Florida, Professor at Valencia College, website: WFTV.com, Instagram: @GeovanyDias01
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace vanished. A beautiful young mom
just twenty six years old.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
A mom of one goes missing after getting into a
pickup with two mystery men. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Sarah Ebersoll vanished after getting into a black pickup truck
in Reddick, Florida, and was never seen again.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Where is Sarah behind in the wake of her disappearance,
is her little girl wanting mommy listen to this?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Sarah Gail Ebersoll, twenty eight, is missing from Reddick, Florida.
The young mom has not been seen or heard from
since March third, leaving a house party just a mile
and a half from her home. Sarah's five foot one,
one hundred and sixteen pounds with blonde hair and blue
eyes as a small cocapelly tattoo on her right hip.
Marion County Sheriff's believe Sarah is in danger. If you
have information on Sarah Gail Ebersol, please call Detective Ryan
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Smith at three five two, three six eight three five
four to two.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Where is this beautiful young mom?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Why was she spotted in a pickup truck with two
so called mystery men joining me an all star panel.
But first I want to go out to her sister,
who has been leading the search for Sarah, Michelle Tullis,
Thank you for being.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
With us, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Michelle, when you first learned that your sister was missing,
what went through your mind?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And how did you find out?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Well? I knew it wasn't normal behavior. I tried to
contact Sarah. She wasn't responding for twenty four hours. She
also had not responded to her roommate, so then we
tried to reach out to the Mary County Shaf's department immediately.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
You know, she was always so reliable, never missed work,
loved her little girl. I'm just trying to think through
the facts surrounding Sarah's disappearance.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Everybody take a look at Sarah Ebersol.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's just a stunning young woman, a young mom in
love with her little girl. What went wrong? As of tonight,
no sign of Sarah? So what do we know? We've
backtried her movements.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Listen, when Sarah Ebersol gets off work at seven pm, Thursday,
March second, she grabs a ride home from a coworker
Sarah's roommate, Deborah, is out of town and Sarah tells
her about trash pickup. Deborah tells her to get their
friend Lonnie to pick up the trash. Nothing out of
the ordinary. At nine forty five pm, Sarah walks to
a corner store near her apartment, but realizes she won't
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make it before they close at ten pm. Still wanting
to grab a few items, Sarah gets Lonnie to drive
her to a Circle K a mile up the highway, joining.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Me in All Star Pound to make sense of what
we are learning tonight. You have already met Sarah's sister Michelle,
now straight out to Giovanni Dias, investigative reporter of WFTV
nine in Florida, professor of Valencia College. Giovanni, thank you
for being with us. I'm just thinking in terms of
a mom Okay, That's how I'm seeing this, and as
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a crime victim myself. A lot of the scenarios surrounding
Siah's disappearance doesn't make sense to me, but I want.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
To start with her walking.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
She gets to ride home with a coworker, and then
she realized she wants to go to the convenience store
Circle K now, I don't know if circle k's are
all around the country, but in quasi rural areas it's
normal to walk half a mile to the circle k
and walk back home with your stuff. Very normal. When
I was growing up in rural Georgia, middle Georgia, that
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was commonplace. We would walk to the corner store or
the MacBride S grocery store, which was a little bit further,
and or would take our bikes.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It was no big deal.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So explain to me, Giovanni, that night, she gets home
from work and she needs to go to the grocery store,
so she wants a ride to circle K.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Is that correct?
Speaker 7 (04:07):
That's exactly correct. Thanks for having me, and that you
refer to this as someone who's been a victim yourself
and also as a mother, and I actually approached this
as someone who also lost his sister. You know, I
also lost my sister. And I actually applaud Michelle for
all the work that she's been doing she's been doing
on the on behalf of her sister here, because she's
really been pushing this story and pushing for investigation into
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what happened to Sarah. But that's exactly correct. She actually
basically vanished and nobody really knows what happened to her.
I actually went to the store where she was last
seen at the time. People are aware of her disappearance.
They know the story. When I got there and I
mentioned what I was doing there, I try to gather
information about Sarah. People know the story. If people know
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about Sarah, they are just as stunned about her disappearance
as everyone else is, especially folks from her family. But again,
really there's at this point, which is the most outrageous
part of this case is that we still don't have
any needs into where Sarah is, and this is still
a case of miss a missing person.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You know, Giovanni, I'm trying to process everything you just said.
You got me drinking out of the fire hydrant. That
was too much, too fast. So you've been to the
circle k where she was last spot and in fact
spotted on video. We know she was there, we know
what time she was there was timestamped. And this was
not an irresponsible mom. She showed up to work every day,
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she took care of her daughter, and I mean she
was back and forth with the roommate. The roommate, Deborah
was at an annual women's veterans retreat. They were texting
back and forth about trash pickup and that seems so
normal and somewhat mundane. And you know what I've noticed,
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don't move Giovanni Diaz too. Doctor Leslie Dobson joining US
clinical forensics psychologists and host of a brand new podcast,
Intentionally Disturbing. You can find her at Dr Leslie Doobson
dot com, author of The Friend Cleanse. Doctor Leslie, thank
you for being with us. Just something Giovanni said. We
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were talking about that she needed to go pick up
things from.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Circle K, that she was texting back and forth with.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Her roommate who was at this female veteran's get together
over the weekend, about the trash pickup. You know, I
think the bulk of my text with my husband, pick
up this from the grocery store? Are you getting the twins?
Roll the trash out?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Do this?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Did you turn off the coffee pot?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
It's part of a rhythm, right, It's seemingly to everybody
else it's mundane, but it's our world. And it always
shocked me so much when my fiancee was murdered. Everything
was just fine, everything was fine, and then all of
a sudden life stopped.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
It's like the world exploded, and that's the way it
is here.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
One moment, this mother of one is texting, hey, when's
trash pick up? The next thing you know, she's gone,
and she hasn't been saying since that dichotomy, Doctor Leslie,
is very hard for the human mind to take in.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Definitely.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
You know, it's a concept we call ambiguous loss, where
we don't have closure until we figure out what has
happened to the individual. So I commend her sister for
trying and continuing through this, But the pain is almost
worse than actually finding out the result, right. The pain
of carrying the weight of not knowing is so traumatic
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and horrible for everyone involved.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, you know, doctor Leslie, I'm just thinking about what
her little girl is going through. You know, she's going
to have birthdays and Christmases without mother. I'm less Sierrah
is found. Michelle tell us when it actually sinked into
you jumping off what Doctor Leslie. Dobson just said that
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she didn't just let her phone die.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
She just wasn't out of range.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
She wasn't at a party or having a great first
date with someone and not picking her phone up when
it really hit you, my sister is missing. I guess
the closest person in the world to me, next to
my twins and husband, is my sister. We grew up together,
very much alike, look alike everything. How did what happened
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when you realized she just doesn't have a flat tire
and her phones?
Speaker 9 (08:36):
Did?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
She's really gone? Great?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
My sister had actually messaged me before she went missing.
So when I messaged her saying, hey, Sarah, where are
you at? She's not responding. I knew something immediately was
wrong because maybe twenty four hours of her phone you
needed to charge or she broke it and get a
new one. But never with Sarah just not respond She
just wasn't your responsible like that?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Where is Sarah?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Sarah Abersoon her life in front of her just twenty
six years old too?
Speaker 8 (09:04):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Vannie Diaz joining me investigative reporter WFTV nine in Florida.
When you went to the circle, K, I mean I
can envision it because they're all over the southeastern part
of the country. Tell me about it. Is there a
big parking lot in the front, on the side, is
there a parking lot in the back? Is there a
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heavily wooded area behind it. Is there a spot for
dumpsters where things could be thrown? Are there businesses on
either side? Just describe it for us.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
It really is exactly how I mentioned, except so that
there is not a lot of businesses around. It really
is just one single location surrounded by wood and you know,
it's a very heavily wooded area and a big parking
lot right in front of it. Actually, when I went
in there, and you know, I told folks that I
was a news reporter trying to find more information about
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the case of Sarah, they asked me if I knew
what had happened to her, There was any like there
were any updates on the story, there were people are
questioning about it. And as I was doing, you know,
walking around trying to piece together the path that she
followed that night. And you see, and once again a
lot of props to Michelle for the work she's been
doing on this case. Because there are signs with the
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phone number please reach out to us if we have
any information about Sarah. There is like there was a
reward put out for any information regarding her location at
this point, and people just stop us to ask, can
you do you know, do you know anything about her?
Do you know if you know what's happened? Is there
any new development on this case, because the whole community
there in the area and really across central Florida is
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watching to see what happened, because, as you mentioned, it
really is astounding to imagine that this girl was just
going to work. She was just a normal person doing
her thing, and she's here now and five minutes later
she's gone. We do know that she took a final pick, sure,
and I think we just showed that picture there that
was one of the final pictures that that Sarah took.
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And then after that really there you can.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
See in the background the Sitgo gas tank.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I want to jump off what Giovanni Dia has just
told us WFTV nine joining me now, Ashley Wardlaw, private investigator,
chief operation officer at Nathan's Investigations in the Florida jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Ashley, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
What Giovanni just said presents another problem now. It sounds
very much like I said where I grew up in
Middle Georgia, rural rural Middle Georgia, and we would have
to walk literally just under a mile to get to
the corner store. Then Ashley, we couldn't go there anymore
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because they started selling beer on Sunday and Mom was like,
in oh, we are never setting foot in there again.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Then we had to walk to the Pep station, which
is a gas station that sols snacks, or all the
way to macbrian's grocery store, which is even further.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So what I'm saying is there's nothing around it.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You don't have additional surveillance on either side, like if
you're in Manhattan or if you're in the city of Atlanta,
where you can see how investigators can put together a
video of montage. Okay, they went by this red light,
then they came to this store, then they passed this
security video and you see the vehicle or the person
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traveling along and you can trace them.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
It's not hard, but not here in this jurisdiction.
Speaker 10 (12:39):
Yes, Nancy, working cases in these rural or country areas,
it definitely can be difficult for an investigator when you
don't have the goal tobes, which would be let me
check surveillance, let me check the neighbors surveillance, let me
you know, pull footage from another nearby business. When the
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nearby business is miles away. So the best thing for
an investigator to do would be to use time. You know,
time is of the essence for a case like this
checking with people who was at the gas station because
memory fade right over time, the memory fade, So we
have to canvas, We have to do interviews immediately if
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there is you know, some type of phone evidence that
we need to examine, that needs to be done immediately.
And I think with this case, just you know, time
would would slip away when you know someone's being told,
you know, come back a week later instead of you know,
jumping immediately into doing the investigation. But yeah, these these
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rural areas, it can get difficult, but it's not impossible.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Where is twenty six year old mom of one Sarah Ebersoul?
What I'm about to tell you will make you cringe.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Second verse samme.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
As of listen Inside the Circle K, Sarah meets up
with two cowboys. Her new friends invited her to a
party at ten eleven PM. Sarah takes a selfie from
inside a black pickup truck and texts the picture to
her sister Michelle, with the caption, girl, I just jumped
into a random car with some cowboys. And I hope
they take me on a ride.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Joining me in addition to the guests you've already met,
Matthew Burhoma joining us out of LA veteran trial lawyer
with power trial lawyers. Matthew, thank you for being with us.
Can you take off your defense hat just one moment?
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Do you just.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Groan or grimace when you hear about another innocent woman
who thinks, Okay, that's gonna be fun and goes with
guys she's never met before to a party?
Speaker 11 (14:50):
Of course, absolutely. I mean, you know, there seems to
be that there's relationships that are they're strangers, they just met.
Maybe if you that wouldn't necessarily care for your well being, right, So,
there's certainly a lot of questions that I have from
LA perspective about who these individuals are, how did they
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come to meet, and how well do they care about
each other and know each other?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Guys, we have heard this story over and over again.
As of right now, we don't know where Sarah Ebersol is,
we don't know who took her, we don't know if
she's still alive, but the search for her is ongoing
right now, largely by her sister joining us tonight, Michelle.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
But again it's the second.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Verse same as the first, is the name Natalie Holloway
ring a bell.
Speaker 12 (15:42):
Natalie Holloway is among more than one hundred seniors on
a graduation trip to Aruba from Alabama. The night before
their trip home, Natalie and her friends go to Carlos
and Charlie's, a restaurant and nightclub frequented by tourists. The
teens head back to their hotel rooms. No one notices
that Natalie isn't with them.
Speaker 9 (16:02):
When I first got the call and the caller said
that Natalie was missing and no one had seen her,
and that she missed her flight. And in that instant,
I knew. I knew instantly that something was terribly wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's my friend Natalie's mother, Beth is speaking, and it
did not have a good ending.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Listen to yourn Vandersloot.
Speaker 13 (16:27):
Tells me she doesn't want me to feel her up.
I insist I keep feeling her up either way, and
she needs me friends of kneeing me in the crotch
when she needs me in the crotch, I get up
on the beach and I kick her extremely hard in
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the face.
Speaker 14 (16:53):
Yeah, she's laying down unconscious, possibly even even dead, definitely unconscious,
and I see right next to her there's a huge
cinder block laying on the beach.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Two Doctor Leslie Dobson joining us, author of intentionally disturbing
Doctor Leslie. It all seems fun and innocent at the time.
When Natalie Holloway met your Van der Sloot and his friends,
the Kalpo brothers, everything was fine. She was on a
high school trip down to Aruba. Everyone was enjoying the night.
It was the night before they were coming back home
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to the US, to Alabama, and they were going to
go down to the beach.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
What could go wrong? I've seen a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Of victims shaming Dr Leslie, But remember these are young people.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Natalie was a teen.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Sarah has just turned twenty six, right, and she meets
these guys, And why should she think that anything's wrong
about going to a party. Why should she just assume
something horrible or the farius is going to happen to her?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Exactly.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
We should be able to go about our lives safely
without the risk of losing our life or disappearing. And
it's horrifying, But it is such a sad part of
this world that.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
We have to deal with.
Speaker 8 (18:15):
And I mean people saw her. People saw her, somebody
saw her last. Somebody needs to answer for this.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
This is not her fault. Guys.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Let's advance the knowledge of what we have right now
about what happened to Sarah. Listen.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
James Bubba Robinson shares a duplex with couple Jimmy Shawler
and Tisha McDermott. Bubba and Sarah spend hours socializing with
Jimmy and Tisha, with Sarah documenting their time together with
numerous cloud saved photos both outside and inside the home.
At one twenty four am, Bubba Tech's a friend, Tyrone Mormon.
Mormon invites himself over to Bubba's house. Sarah's Gmail shows
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she was watching YouTube videos around two forty am. At
two fifty seven am, Sarah's phone sinks for the last.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Time two fifty seven am. We know she did go
to a party. Michelle tell us this is Sarah Ebersol's sister,
because she was having fun and taking selfies and she
was enjoying the evening at this party, this house party
with another couple, Jimmy and Tisha. We know that because
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they have photos together, selfies they were taken together. We
know she was there until around two forty am.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Is that correct, Michelle?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Yes, Jimmy provided photos from his device when I requested
them April of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You're seeing the photos we were showing of that evening,
the last evening we can place her whereabouts. It was
all innocent. Everything was fine. Couples were having fun, they
were listening to music, they were taking selfies. When you
don't know where to go, you go back, try to
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figure out who is your victim, Who was her inner circle,
Who was she with when she goes missing?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Who is Sarah Ebersol? This is what we've learned.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Sarah Van born and raised in Florida, The youngest of
seven siblings, spends most of her childhood in Sarasota, but
in her teen years moves to Danellen with sister Michelle.
At just eighteen, Sarah Mary's her first love, Thomas Ebersoll.
The young couple quickly realizes they moved too quickly and
part ways amicably. Just a year later, Sarah keeping the Ebersol.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Name crime stories with Nancy Grace, Matthew Barhoma joining US
federal trial lawyer out of LA That's what we call
a starter marriage.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Don't read too much into it, right, right, and she
kept the last name, So she did.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
She kept Ebersol as the last name, and the two
split amicably, and then she finds love listen.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
After her first marriage, Sarah begins seeing Joseph Meeton. The
couple is soon expecting a baby girl, but while pregnant,
Sarah obtains a restraining order against Meeton after a physical assault.
The parents are in court for custody decisions before Sarah
even gives birth. In just a few days after her
daughter's birth, Sarah changes her name from Dahlia Van to
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Cora Meeton at the father's demand.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
With me Sarah Ebersill's sister, Michelle Tellus, who has led
the search for her own sister. That relationship that is
the baby girl we're talking about, baby Coora. Sarah struggle
to get along with Mayton Joseph Matonkora's dad. The two split.
(21:45):
What was the main problem. I understand Sarah Ebersill had
to get a restraining order against the husband.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
He did have to get a restraining order. He has
physically assaulted her, well pregnant, So then she went to
the court to obtain that restraining order to protect her
her unborn child. It was in asked for six months,
he left and went to another state, and then after
six months he showed back up in Florida, where Sarah
and her daughter were living with me, and that's where
the custody battle started.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So I understand that to keep the peace, Sarah changed
the baby's name. At first, she didn't have the maiden
last name, but at the dad, the biodad's request, she
changed Cora's name to Cora Maytan from Dollia Van.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (22:33):
That's right before she heard one years old.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Marion County Sheriffs tracks Sarah to a Circle K convenience
store two miles from her home in Reddick, Florida. Security
footage captures Sarah inside the store, then saying goodbye to
Lnnie and getting in one of the men's black truck
at ten ten pm. Several smiling selfies with the men
indicate Sarah left with them willingly.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
How many times have we heard the same scenario?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Now?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It's there at Ebersol, who goes missing after a night
partying with new friends that she meets at the circle K,
having no idea she may never see her little girl again.
Very often we as investigators and prosecutors see the same
scenario unfold, where unwittingly you end up with someone you've
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never met before, like Kristin Smart.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Kristin Smart was enrolled at cal Poly in San Luis Obispo, California.
As Memorial Day weekend rolled around, Smart made plans to
attend a birthday party for a fellow student. Students Cheryl
Anderson and Tim Davis walk Smart back to her dorm.
Along the way, another student from the party, Paul Flores,
joins their group. He offers to help Smart get to
her dorm rooms safely.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You know that makes me think, to doctor Leslie Dobson,
joining US psychologist, I don't like the way that Sarah
Ebersol has been portrayed.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
She met some guys.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
They invited her to a party, a house party that
was hosted by another couple, and she went somehow as
you hear Kristen Smart's mom say, I don't like the
way they refer to my daughter. Is that drunk girl
that was not Christen Smart?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
She was brilliant all a's.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
She went to a get together and was walking home
with friends and then they peeled off and the only
one walking her home then was her killer now convicted.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I mean that was through no fault of her own.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And I see the same smear job dragging Sarah Ebersol
through the mud in this case because she went to.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
A party exactly and as somebody who worked at cal
Poly and I walked by that dorm room where she
was killed. And Paul Flores has a pattern. So many
people came out and spoke out about Paul Flora's after
that happened. There is somebody surrounding this case with Sarah
who has a history, and history is our indication of
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what sure is going to lead to.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
To Michelle tell Us joining me, this is Sarah's sister, Michelle.
The way that Sarah has been portrayed.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I don't like it at all.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
She did nothing wrong, yet somehow it's easier to go, oh,
she met these guys in a circle k and took
off and they are black.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Pickup. This is all on her. It's not all on her.
Do you ever get tired of hearing that?
Speaker 5 (25:23):
I do. Sarah was such a kind spirit. She would
have immersed herself in anything the world had to offer.
She thought everyone was a new personality and a new experience.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
What more do we know, we know that somehow someone
tried to reset her password that night.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Listen, Sarah's Google account history shows she was on YouTube
until two forty am March third. Later that day, the
account history was viewed and deleted. Just before two pm
March third, someone tries to reset sarah snapchat password. The
new login link was sent to her email, but it's
unclear if the attempt was successful.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
There has been no.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Further digital activity on Sarah's emails, social media, or bank
accounts since.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
To Giovanni Dias WFTV nine, could you explain that in
slow mo for me, someone's changing her password and deleting
her search history?
Speaker 7 (26:19):
What and at this point that's all we really have,
all those records of her digital footprint. Right as the
one of your guests just mentioned, there was no videos nearby,
there was no other businesses nearby to kind of pinpoint
what happened to her after the moment she was picked
up by that you know, for that ride that she
went into. So at this point, all the investigators into
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this case have is basically all those digital marks from
phones and every you know, all of those pictures that
were taken and the attempt to change that password that
email actually was sent to her to Sarah, because that's
the standard how when you try to change your password
on your phone. And Michelle was actually able to find
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that later on because of her personal investigation into this case.
And that's as much as the investigators have. I actually
interviewed the Marion County Sheriff's Department about this case, and
they wouldn't really give me a lot of information about this.
They only said that they have a lot of leads.
They're still looking into potential connections with other people that
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kind of were located in the nearby area. But at
this point, and that was the last time I interviewed them,
they said they could not share a lot about this
case because it is still under investigation, which to me
seems a little problematic because we have made no further
discovery into this case.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Michelle, regarding discovering you discovered not police, not law enforcement,
not some detective, but you discovered someone to try to
change her password?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
How did that happen?
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I gaged access to there as teleccount, and when I
figured Marin County wasn't taken this seriously as in the
same person's case, and I could see the ascess to
the Slasha, which I notified them immediately, and then throughout
the investigation, I even continued to go ahead and get
into other accounts, email in her iCloud where you can
see the video interacting throughout the night. And I also
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Surrell and Theariam located the trust that I just forgot into.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Where is twenty six year old Sarah Ebersol, the mother
of one little girl? Now we learn that fateful night
when she was last seeing, last seeing in a Circle
K video, and last seeing taken selfies at a party
with the other couples that were there that very evening,
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someone went into her digital account and tried to change
her password. Not only that, her account history was viewed
and deleted. Now why would someone go in to reset
your Snapchat password? We know that because a new login
was sent to her email, But I wonder if that
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person couldn't access her email to make it complete a
complete change. Very reminiscent of fraudulent activity on murder victim
Gabby Petito's cell phone.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
In the aftermath of Gabby Potito's murder, the Potito family
alleges that Brian Laundry used Gabby's phone to send text
messages to her family in an attempt to deceive them.
Among the messages Brian Laundry is believed to assent is
a text message to Gabby's mother, Nicole Schmidt, about Gabby's grandfather.
In the text, he refers to Gabby's grandfather as Stan.
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Schmid has stated Gabby never called her grandfather by his
first name and that the text was highly suspicious.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Michelle, this is Sarah's sister? Was that normal? Would Sarah? Did?
She frequently change her passwords?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
This particular access to this snatchat happened on an account
she had not leased in twenty seventeen, so it would
not be an account. Give with attempt.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Actually Wardlow joining US Private Investigator Chief Chief Operations Officer
Nathan's Investigations Actually again.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
That is a multi step process to go through view
your search history, delete your search history, you know, line
by line, then go through the hoops of trying to
change a password.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That takes a lot of effort.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
And I find it really hard to believe that at
a party, this twenty six year old mom of one
is sitting at the party changing her password and deleting
her search history.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
That did not happen, Ashley.
Speaker 10 (30:50):
Yes, that's very very suspicious, Nancy, for someone to take
the initiative to even start the process to recover a password.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
It is a multi step process, right.
Speaker 10 (31:02):
You just don't go and click for gap password and
you get to make a new one. You have to
go through loopholes nowadays to get access to an email
to reset the password. Sometimes they send you text messages
to be able to authenticate you who you are to
reset this pass code. So it's very very suspicious that
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that was going on at the time when she's supposed
to be partying.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Interesting that Sarah's sister has to lead the charge in
finding her.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Listen, Sarah's sister, Michelle Tullis, begins searching the area for
the black truck. She doesn't have to look hard. A
black truck matching the surveillance footage is parked at a
home less than a tenth of a mile from the
circle k. The owner, Leonard Anderson, recognizes a photo of Sarah,
saying she accepted his buddy James Robinson's invitation to a
house party and he dropped them off at Robinson's home
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next door. The night of March second.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Okay, so once again we're corroborating those photos that we
already see about the house party at the couple's home.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
There's more. Listen.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Leonard Anderson and James Robinson are happy to speak to
Marion County Sheriff's about Sarah. Robinson says Sarah joined him
in his roommates for a small house party. Photos Sarah
took that night's show her posing with Robinson, James Shaller,
and his girlfriend Tisha McDermott. The girls even took turns
modeling outfits from Tsha's closet. One twenty four am. Robinson
text friend at Tyrone Mormon about the party and Mormon
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decides to come over. Robinson says when the party wound down,
Mormon offered to get Sarah home. Robinson says he helped
Sarah to his car between three and five AM.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
So bring me up to this point, Giovanni Diaz WFTV nine.
So they're stating they are with her, they partied into
the night, and they're all going back to his car
at between three and five am.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Is that correct?
Speaker 7 (32:54):
That's correct, And that's this point. That's the only person
in this story that actually connects all of those locations
and everything that so far we know about what happened
to Sarah, and that's where this is. That's where our
dead end is. I actually specifically asked this the Marion
County Sheriff's office when I did this story, what can
you tell us about this person Tyrone Mormon, and they
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basically were very tight lipped about it. And once again
we go back to the digital aspect of this, because
he also deleted information from his phone.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Okay, Giovanni Diaz, I don't like the sound of this
guy Mormon deleting things from his own phone. From that
not you know, if you look at my phone, I've
got seven thousand, literally unread messages.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I'm not picking for you all that to delete something specific.
Why was he deleting messages.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
It's very very disturbing that he would pick those messages
to delete.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And that's not all.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Listen, Tyrone Mormon refuses to talk. Deputies get a search
warrant for his phone, but Mormon misses his appointment to
extract the data. Mormon claims he smashed the phone, so
he trashed it. However, Mormon's girlfriend says that isn't true.
Tyrone Mormon is arrested for lying to police. When investigators
arrived to search his home for the phone, he turns
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it over. Information from the device shows Sarah and Mormon
stop at a convenience store in northeast Marion County, but
no further movements are determined.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Okay, right there, joining me.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Veteran defense attorney Matthew Barhoma joining us out of LA
at Powertrial Lawyers dot Com. Matthew, I can't wait to
see a defense attorney just like you.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Try to explain again.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
He's not been named a suspect, and he is innocent
under the eyes of the law until proven guilty beyond
a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers. But
explain to me. Give me your best shot at why you,
Matthew Brahama would delete things off your phone and then
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smash your cell phone and then tell police it was
on the blink so.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
It was all on accident, so you threw.
Speaker 11 (35:11):
It away, You know, Nancy, The beauty of American jurisprudence
is that he doesn't have to answer that.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Okay, That's what the Fifth Amendment right is all about.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Looks around you, plase, Matthew. Matthew, Matthew, look around. Do
you see a judge? Do you see a box for
the jury? You're not in corn, So don't tell me
what's coming into evidence on crime stories. I'm asking you,
how do you explain that technical legal term b S.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Did they teach you that in law school?
Speaker 11 (35:42):
Well, I'll tell you what it is.
Speaker 14 (35:43):
Okay.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
Deleting information off of your phone is not evidence of murder.
It just doesn't bring you there. Right, It's not evidence
of foul play. It doesn't bring you there. It's not
evidence of harboring someone such as Sarah. It doesn't bring
you there. There's still a missing piece of a material
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piece of evidence that's missing that corroborates or that links
mister Mormon and Sarah the victim. So unfortunately, even though
he's deleted these items, and even though he's led to
the police, he's.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Been charging pace.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Right, Okay, you know what, you just tell that to
a journy again. This guy has not been named a
suspect in this case, but you know who he makes
me think of. Let me go out to Giovanni Diaz
joining us from Florida. Does the name Madeline Soto Mattie Soto.
She was just thirteen years old when she was murdered
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by Mommy's live in Stefan stears. According to police, he's
presumed innocent. You know what he did. He deleted everything
off of his phone, but ding Dong didn't realize a
lot of it's up in the cloud, including videos that
he took before she was killed. See when I hear
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eating things off my phone? Why why that night, the
night that he was with Sarah Eberson.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Why delete that of all things?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
And what a koichi day, Giovanni that he's deleting things
off his phone at the same time somebody is trying
to change Sarah's password and deleting her search history.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
That doesn't bother you.
Speaker 7 (37:21):
It's very interesting that you actually mentioned Madeline Soto because
I was actually in court just two weeks ago for
an update hearing on this case regarding involving specifically information
about deleting data from your phone while investigation is ongoing,
and that's exactly what we were talking about here. Yeah,
as your guest mentioned there, it's not a crime that
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he deleted that. It's a crime that he lied to
law enforcement. At the time of his connection with police,
he wasn't arrest initially, he was questioned about the case,
and he provided false information and that's the reason why
he now currently faces charges for that, for lying to
law enforcement. And that's the reason why we are still
here at this point trying to understand why he would
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do that, and at the same time as he's being
charged with that, but he's out on bond. He paid
ten thousand dollars to respond to HISLF so.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
He's walking free. I get it. You money.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Ashley Wardlow also joining us from the Florida jurisdiction. Very
well known private investigator. Ashley now to hear Matthew Mohamma,
and I respect him.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
He's a great lawyer. Tell it.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
That's just you know, I don't have to prove you anything,
just because I smashed my phone and threw it away
and deleted what happened then I was with Sarah Ebersol.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
But then he clams up and refuses to speak.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I mean, Ashley, I know I can't comment on this
to a journey, but look around, everybody. We're not in
a courtroom right now. We can talk about it. Remember
that crazy First Amendment. We can have freedom of speech,
and I am free to say when someone refuses to
cooperate with police about what happened to a missing young mom?
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And you're with her last? I would want to say, yes,
I was with her. We walked to my car, I
drove her home, she got out, she waved goodbye, and
then I left. And I haven't heard from her since.
Why where is she? That's what I would think we
would hear from him, but he's refusing to speak.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Does that concern you, Ashley? Absolutely?
Speaker 10 (39:32):
It confirms me because if you don't have anything to hide,
then why are you hiding something?
Speaker 8 (39:37):
Right?
Speaker 10 (39:38):
Yes, the actual act of deleting something isn't illegal, but
when it comes down to it, you know, as a
private investigator, rich it's really interested.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
In what is in that device? What did you delete?
Speaker 10 (39:51):
Because when you think you deleted something, most of the
time we're still able.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
To uncover it.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
The shoes Sarah has seen wearing in photos at Robinson's
home a found inside her home, but her phone and
wallet are not. There are no signs of a struggle,
no clothes left out like Sarah changed, and a pack
of cigarettes and a lighter on the front porch missing
from the home. A binder of information Sarah kept on
her ex's criminal history, legal documentation of her daughter's name change,
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a keepsake teddy bear with a dahlia flower for Cora's
middle name, and Sarah's toothbrush, hairbrush, and makeup brushes.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Michelle tell us, joining us, this is Sarah's sister who
has led the search for her sister.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
What does that tell you?
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I can see the shoes, Michelle, that Sarah's wearing in
the photos that night at the house party, at that
couple's home.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Can we see that photo. I see the shoes, and
those shoes.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Are found in her home. See those shoes right there,
Those exact shoes are found in her home, which says Michelle,
she came home. What do you deduce, Michelle, you.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Would presume that my sister made at home and that
something happened after she arrived home. Did somebody else pick
her up or what happened? We just don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Was it her cigarettes? Was it her lighter on the
front porch?
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yes, it was, because I remember my paternal grandmother would
sneak a cigarette and she would go outside and smoke
one cigarette and then come back in like nothing had happened.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
But she would leave the.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Lighter and the cigarettes out there, so everybody would know
she had been out there, So I'm thinking I'm imagining
Sarah snuck out outside so smoke wouldn't get inside where
her daughter would be, and had a cigarette. So there's
a cigarette and the lighter on the front porch. But
missing is that binder she kept on her ex husband,
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including the docs regarding Cora. Now Cora's name change. Remember
her name had been Dolia Man and now she changed
it for the biodet.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Why would that be missing?
Speaker 5 (42:03):
That was the first thing I noticed when we went
into my sister's home. It seems like the paper cell
needed to be the leading of the history between the two.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
The search for missing mom Sarah Ebersol goes on. If
you know or think you know anything about her disappearance,
please dial three five two three six eight three five
four two. We remember an American hero Police Officer Robert
Schisler Deptford Township PD, New Jersey, shot and killed in
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a line of duty. Survived by parents Robert and Tracy,
siblings Ashley and Tyler. American hero officer Robert Schissler. Nancy
Grace signing off goodbye for
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace vanished. A beautiful young mom
just twenty six years old.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
A mom of one goes missing after getting into a
pickup with two mystery men. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Sarah Ebersoll vanished after getting into a black pickup truck
in Reddick, Florida, and was never seen again.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Where is Sarah behind in the wake of her disappearance,
is her little girl wanting mommy listen to this?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Sarah Gail Ebersoll, twenty eight, is missing from Reddick, Florida.
The young mom has not been seen or heard from
since March third, leaving a house party just a mile
and a half from her home. Sarah's five foot one,
one hundred and sixteen pounds with blonde hair and blue
eyes as a small cocapelly tattoo on her right hip.
Marion County Sheriff's believe Sarah is in danger. If you
have information on Sarah Gail Ebersol, please call Detective Ryan
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Smith at three five two, three six eight three five
four to two.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Where is this beautiful young mom?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Why was she spotted in a pickup truck with two
so called mystery men joining me an all star panel.
But first I want to go out to her sister,
who has been leading the search for Sarah, Michelle Tullis,
Thank you for being.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
With us, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Michelle, when you first learned that your sister was missing,
what went through your mind?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And how did you find out?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Well? I knew it wasn't normal behavior. I tried to
contact Sarah. She wasn't responding for twenty four hours. She
also had not responded to her roommate, so then we
tried to reach out to the Mary County Shaf's department immediately.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
You know, she was always so reliable, never missed work,
loved her little girl. I'm just trying to think through
the facts surrounding Sarah's disappearance.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Everybody take a look at Sarah Ebersol.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's just a stunning young woman, a young mom in
love with her little girl. What went wrong? As of tonight,
no sign of Sarah? So what do we know? We've
backtried her movements.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Listen, when Sarah Ebersol gets off work at seven pm, Thursday,
March second, she grabs a ride home from a coworker
Sarah's roommate, Deborah, is out of town and Sarah tells
her about trash pickup. Deborah tells her to get their
friend Lonnie to pick up the trash. Nothing out of
the ordinary. At nine forty five pm, Sarah walks to
a corner store near her apartment, but realizes she won't
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make it before they close at ten pm. Still wanting
to grab a few items, Sarah gets Lonnie to drive
her to a Circle K a mile up the highway, joining.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Me in All Star Pound to make sense of what
we are learning tonight. You have already met Sarah's sister Michelle,
now straight out to Giovanni Dias, investigative reporter of WFTV
nine in Florida, professor of Valencia College. Giovanni, thank you
for being with us. I'm just thinking in terms of
a mom Okay, That's how I'm seeing this, and as
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a crime victim myself. A lot of the scenarios surrounding
Siah's disappearance doesn't make sense to me, but I want.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
To start with her walking.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
She gets to ride home with a coworker, and then
she realized she wants to go to the convenience store
Circle K now, I don't know if circle k's are
all around the country, but in quasi rural areas it's
normal to walk half a mile to the circle k
and walk back home with your stuff. Very normal. When
I was growing up in rural Georgia, middle Georgia, that
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was commonplace. We would walk to the corner store or
the MacBride S grocery store, which was a little bit further,
and or would take our bikes.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It was no big deal.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So explain to me, Giovanni, that night, she gets home
from work and she needs to go to the grocery store,
so she wants a ride to circle K.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Is that correct?
Speaker 7 (04:07):
That's exactly correct. Thanks for having me, and that you
refer to this as someone who's been a victim yourself
and also as a mother, and I actually approached this
as someone who also lost his sister. You know, I
also lost my sister. And I actually applaud Michelle for
all the work that she's been doing she's been doing
on the on behalf of her sister here, because she's
really been pushing this story and pushing for investigation into
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what happened to Sarah. But that's exactly correct. She actually
basically vanished and nobody really knows what happened to her.
I actually went to the store where she was last
seen at the time. People are aware of her disappearance.
They know the story. When I got there and I
mentioned what I was doing there, I try to gather
information about Sarah. People know the story. If people know
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about Sarah, they are just as stunned about her disappearance
as everyone else is, especially folks from her family. But again,
really there's at this point, which is the most outrageous
part of this case is that we still don't have
any needs into where Sarah is, and this is still
a case of miss a missing person.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You know, Giovanni, I'm trying to process everything you just said.
You got me drinking out of the fire hydrant. That
was too much, too fast. So you've been to the
circle k where she was last spot and in fact
spotted on video. We know she was there, we know
what time she was there was timestamped. And this was
not an irresponsible mom. She showed up to work every day,
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she took care of her daughter, and I mean she
was back and forth with the roommate. The roommate, Deborah
was at an annual women's veterans retreat. They were texting
back and forth about trash pickup and that seems so
normal and somewhat mundane. And you know what I've noticed,
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don't move Giovanni Diaz too. Doctor Leslie Dobson joining US
clinical forensics psychologists and host of a brand new podcast,
Intentionally Disturbing. You can find her at Dr Leslie Doobson
dot com, author of The Friend Cleanse. Doctor Leslie, thank
you for being with us. Just something Giovanni said. We
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were talking about that she needed to go pick up
things from.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Circle K, that she was texting back and forth with.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Her roommate who was at this female veteran's get together
over the weekend, about the trash pickup. You know, I
think the bulk of my text with my husband, pick
up this from the grocery store? Are you getting the twins?
Roll the trash out?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Do this?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Did you turn off the coffee pot?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
It's part of a rhythm, right, It's seemingly to everybody
else it's mundane, but it's our world. And it always
shocked me so much when my fiancee was murdered. Everything
was just fine, everything was fine, and then all of
a sudden life stopped.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
It's like the world exploded, and that's the way it
is here.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
One moment, this mother of one is texting, hey, when's
trash pick up? The next thing you know, she's gone,
and she hasn't been saying since that dichotomy, Doctor Leslie,
is very hard for the human mind to take in.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Definitely.
Speaker 8 (07:17):
You know, it's a concept we call ambiguous loss, where
we don't have closure until we figure out what has
happened to the individual. So I commend her sister for
trying and continuing through this, But the pain is almost
worse than actually finding out the result, right. The pain
of carrying the weight of not knowing is so traumatic
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and horrible for everyone involved.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, you know, doctor Leslie, I'm just thinking about what
her little girl is going through. You know, she's going
to have birthdays and Christmases without mother. I'm less Sierrah
is found. Michelle tell us when it actually sinked into
you jumping off what Doctor Leslie. Dobson just said that
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she didn't just let her phone die.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
She just wasn't out of range.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
She wasn't at a party or having a great first
date with someone and not picking her phone up when
it really hit you, my sister is missing. I guess
the closest person in the world to me, next to
my twins and husband, is my sister. We grew up together,
very much alike, look alike everything. How did what happened
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when you realized she just doesn't have a flat tire
and her phones?
Speaker 9 (08:36):
Did?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
She's really gone? Great?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
My sister had actually messaged me before she went missing.
So when I messaged her saying, hey, Sarah, where are
you at? She's not responding. I knew something immediately was
wrong because maybe twenty four hours of her phone you
needed to charge or she broke it and get a
new one. But never with Sarah just not respond She
just wasn't your responsible like that?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Where is Sarah?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Sarah Abersoon her life in front of her just twenty
six years old too?
Speaker 8 (09:04):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Vannie Diaz joining me investigative reporter WFTV nine in Florida.
When you went to the circle, K, I mean I
can envision it because they're all over the southeastern part
of the country. Tell me about it. Is there a
big parking lot in the front, on the side, is
there a parking lot in the back? Is there a
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heavily wooded area behind it. Is there a spot for
dumpsters where things could be thrown? Are there businesses on
either side? Just describe it for us.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
It really is exactly how I mentioned, except so that
there is not a lot of businesses around. It really
is just one single location surrounded by wood and you know,
it's a very heavily wooded area and a big parking
lot right in front of it. Actually, when I went
in there, and you know, I told folks that I
was a news reporter trying to find more information about
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the case of Sarah, they asked me if I knew
what had happened to her, There was any like there
were any updates on the story, there were people are
questioning about it. And as I was doing, you know,
walking around trying to piece together the path that she
followed that night. And you see, and once again a
lot of props to Michelle for the work she's been
doing on this case. Because there are signs with the
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phone number please reach out to us if we have
any information about Sarah. There is like there was a
reward put out for any information regarding her location at
this point, and people just stop us to ask, can
you do you know, do you know anything about her?
Do you know if you know what's happened? Is there
any new development on this case, because the whole community
there in the area and really across central Florida is
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watching to see what happened, because, as you mentioned, it
really is astounding to imagine that this girl was just
going to work. She was just a normal person doing
her thing, and she's here now and five minutes later
she's gone. We do know that she took a final pick, sure,
and I think we just showed that picture there that
was one of the final pictures that that Sarah took.
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And then after that really there you can.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
See in the background the Sitgo gas tank.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I want to jump off what Giovanni Dia has just
told us WFTV nine joining me now, Ashley Wardlaw, private investigator,
chief operation officer at Nathan's Investigations in the Florida jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Ashley, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
What Giovanni just said presents another problem now. It sounds
very much like I said where I grew up in
Middle Georgia, rural rural Middle Georgia, and we would have
to walk literally just under a mile to get to
the corner store. Then Ashley, we couldn't go there anymore
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because they started selling beer on Sunday and Mom was like,
in oh, we are never setting foot in there again.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Then we had to walk to the Pep station, which
is a gas station that sols snacks, or all the
way to macbrian's grocery store, which is even further.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So what I'm saying is there's nothing around it.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You don't have additional surveillance on either side, like if
you're in Manhattan or if you're in the city of Atlanta,
where you can see how investigators can put together a
video of montage. Okay, they went by this red light,
then they came to this store, then they passed this
security video and you see the vehicle or the person
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traveling along and you can trace them.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
It's not hard, but not here in this jurisdiction.
Speaker 10 (12:39):
Yes, Nancy, working cases in these rural or country areas,
it definitely can be difficult for an investigator when you
don't have the goal tobes, which would be let me
check surveillance, let me check the neighbors surveillance, let me
you know, pull footage from another nearby business. When the
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nearby business is miles away. So the best thing for
an investigator to do would be to use time. You know,
time is of the essence for a case like this
checking with people who was at the gas station because
memory fade right over time, the memory fade, So we
have to canvas, We have to do interviews immediately if
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there is you know, some type of phone evidence that
we need to examine, that needs to be done immediately.
And I think with this case, just you know, time
would would slip away when you know someone's being told,
you know, come back a week later instead of you know,
jumping immediately into doing the investigation. But yeah, these these
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rural areas, it can get difficult, but it's not impossible.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Where is twenty six year old mom of one Sarah Ebersoul?
What I'm about to tell you will make you cringe.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Second verse samme.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
As of listen Inside the Circle K, Sarah meets up
with two cowboys. Her new friends invited her to a
party at ten eleven PM. Sarah takes a selfie from
inside a black pickup truck and texts the picture to
her sister Michelle, with the caption, girl, I just jumped
into a random car with some cowboys. And I hope
they take me on a ride.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Joining me in addition to the guests you've already met,
Matthew Burhoma joining us out of LA veteran trial lawyer
with power trial lawyers. Matthew, thank you for being with us.
Can you take off your defense hat just one moment?
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Do you just.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Groan or grimace when you hear about another innocent woman
who thinks, Okay, that's gonna be fun and goes with
guys she's never met before to a party?
Speaker 11 (14:50):
Of course, absolutely. I mean, you know, there seems to
be that there's relationships that are they're strangers, they just met.
Maybe if you that wouldn't necessarily care for your well being, right, So,
there's certainly a lot of questions that I have from
LA perspective about who these individuals are, how did they
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come to meet, and how well do they care about
each other and know each other?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Guys, we have heard this story over and over again.
As of right now, we don't know where Sarah Ebersol is,
we don't know who took her, we don't know if
she's still alive, but the search for her is ongoing
right now, largely by her sister joining us tonight, Michelle.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
But again it's the second.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Verse same as the first, is the name Natalie Holloway
ring a bell.
Speaker 12 (15:42):
Natalie Holloway is among more than one hundred seniors on
a graduation trip to Aruba from Alabama. The night before
their trip home, Natalie and her friends go to Carlos
and Charlie's, a restaurant and nightclub frequented by tourists. The
teens head back to their hotel rooms. No one notices
that Natalie isn't with them.
Speaker 9 (16:02):
When I first got the call and the caller said
that Natalie was missing and no one had seen her,
and that she missed her flight. And in that instant,
I knew. I knew instantly that something was terribly wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's my friend Natalie's mother, Beth is speaking, and it
did not have a good ending.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Listen to yourn Vandersloot.
Speaker 13 (16:27):
Tells me she doesn't want me to feel her up.
I insist I keep feeling her up either way, and
she needs me friends of kneeing me in the crotch
when she needs me in the crotch, I get up
on the beach and I kick her extremely hard in
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the face.
Speaker 14 (16:53):
Yeah, she's laying down unconscious, possibly even even dead, definitely unconscious,
and I see right next to her there's a huge
cinder block laying on the beach.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Two Doctor Leslie Dobson joining us, author of intentionally disturbing
Doctor Leslie. It all seems fun and innocent at the time.
When Natalie Holloway met your Van der Sloot and his friends,
the Kalpo brothers, everything was fine. She was on a
high school trip down to Aruba. Everyone was enjoying the night.
It was the night before they were coming back home
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to the US, to Alabama, and they were going to
go down to the beach.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
What could go wrong? I've seen a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Of victims shaming Dr Leslie, But remember these are young people.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Natalie was a teen.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Sarah has just turned twenty six, right, and she meets
these guys, And why should she think that anything's wrong
about going to a party. Why should she just assume
something horrible or the farius is going to happen to her?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Exactly.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
We should be able to go about our lives safely
without the risk of losing our life or disappearing. And
it's horrifying, But it is such a sad part of
this world that.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
We have to deal with.
Speaker 8 (18:15):
And I mean people saw her. People saw her, somebody
saw her last. Somebody needs to answer for this.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
This is not her fault. Guys.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Let's advance the knowledge of what we have right now
about what happened to Sarah. Listen.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
James Bubba Robinson shares a duplex with couple Jimmy Shawler
and Tisha McDermott. Bubba and Sarah spend hours socializing with
Jimmy and Tisha, with Sarah documenting their time together with
numerous cloud saved photos both outside and inside the home.
At one twenty four am, Bubba Tech's a friend, Tyrone Mormon.
Mormon invites himself over to Bubba's house. Sarah's Gmail shows
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she was watching YouTube videos around two forty am. At
two fifty seven am, Sarah's phone sinks for the last.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Time two fifty seven am. We know she did go
to a party. Michelle tell us this is Sarah Ebersol's sister,
because she was having fun and taking selfies and she
was enjoying the evening at this party, this house party
with another couple, Jimmy and Tisha. We know that because
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they have photos together, selfies they were taken together. We
know she was there until around two forty am.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Is that correct, Michelle?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Yes, Jimmy provided photos from his device when I requested
them April of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You're seeing the photos we were showing of that evening,
the last evening we can place her whereabouts. It was
all innocent. Everything was fine. Couples were having fun, they
were listening to music, they were taking selfies. When you
don't know where to go, you go back, try to
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figure out who is your victim, Who was her inner circle,
Who was she with when she goes missing?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Who is Sarah Ebersol? This is what we've learned.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Sarah Van born and raised in Florida, The youngest of
seven siblings, spends most of her childhood in Sarasota, but
in her teen years moves to Danellen with sister Michelle.
At just eighteen, Sarah Mary's her first love, Thomas Ebersoll.
The young couple quickly realizes they moved too quickly and
part ways amicably. Just a year later, Sarah keeping the Ebersol.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Name crime stories with Nancy Grace, Matthew Barhoma joining US
federal trial lawyer out of LA That's what we call
a starter marriage.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Don't read too much into it, right, right, and she
kept the last name, So she did.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
She kept Ebersol as the last name, and the two
split amicably, and then she finds love listen.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
After her first marriage, Sarah begins seeing Joseph Meeton. The
couple is soon expecting a baby girl, but while pregnant,
Sarah obtains a restraining order against Meeton after a physical assault.
The parents are in court for custody decisions before Sarah
even gives birth. In just a few days after her
daughter's birth, Sarah changes her name from Dahlia Van to
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Cora Meeton at the father's demand.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
With me Sarah Ebersill's sister, Michelle Tellus, who has led
the search for her own sister. That relationship that is
the baby girl we're talking about, baby Coora. Sarah struggle
to get along with Mayton Joseph Matonkora's dad. The two split.
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What was the main problem. I understand Sarah Ebersill had
to get a restraining order against the husband.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
He did have to get a restraining order. He has
physically assaulted her, well pregnant, So then she went to
the court to obtain that restraining order to protect her
her unborn child. It was in asked for six months,
he left and went to another state, and then after
six months he showed back up in Florida, where Sarah
and her daughter were living with me, and that's where
the custody battle started.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So I understand that to keep the peace, Sarah changed
the baby's name. At first, she didn't have the maiden
last name, but at the dad, the biodad's request, she
changed Cora's name to Cora Maytan from Dollia Van.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (22:33):
That's right before she heard one years old.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Marion County Sheriffs tracks Sarah to a Circle K convenience
store two miles from her home in Reddick, Florida. Security
footage captures Sarah inside the store, then saying goodbye to
Lnnie and getting in one of the men's black truck
at ten ten pm. Several smiling selfies with the men
indicate Sarah left with them willingly.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
How many times have we heard the same scenario?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Now?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
It's there at Ebersol, who goes missing after a night
partying with new friends that she meets at the circle K,
having no idea she may never see her little girl again.
Very often we as investigators and prosecutors see the same
scenario unfold, where unwittingly you end up with someone you've
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never met before, like Kristin Smart.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Kristin Smart was enrolled at cal Poly in San Luis Obispo, California.
As Memorial Day weekend rolled around, Smart made plans to
attend a birthday party for a fellow student. Students Cheryl
Anderson and Tim Davis walk Smart back to her dorm.
Along the way, another student from the party, Paul Flores,
joins their group. He offers to help Smart get to
her dorm rooms safely.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You know that makes me think, to doctor Leslie Dobson,
joining US psychologist, I don't like the way that Sarah
Ebersol has been portrayed.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
She met some guys.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
They invited her to a party, a house party that
was hosted by another couple, and she went somehow as
you hear Kristen Smart's mom say, I don't like the
way they refer to my daughter. Is that drunk girl
that was not Christen Smart?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
She was brilliant all a's.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
She went to a get together and was walking home
with friends and then they peeled off and the only
one walking her home then was her killer now convicted.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I mean that was through no fault of her own.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
And I see the same smear job dragging Sarah Ebersol
through the mud in this case because she went to.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
A party exactly and as somebody who worked at cal
Poly and I walked by that dorm room where she
was killed. And Paul Flores has a pattern. So many
people came out and spoke out about Paul Flora's after
that happened. There is somebody surrounding this case with Sarah
who has a history, and history is our indication of
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what sure is going to lead to.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
To Michelle tell Us joining me, this is Sarah's sister, Michelle.
The way that Sarah has been portrayed.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I don't like it at all.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
She did nothing wrong, yet somehow it's easier to go, oh,
she met these guys in a circle k and took
off and they are black.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Pickup. This is all on her. It's not all on her.
Do you ever get tired of hearing that?
Speaker 5 (25:23):
I do. Sarah was such a kind spirit. She would
have immersed herself in anything the world had to offer.
She thought everyone was a new personality and a new experience.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
What more do we know, we know that somehow someone
tried to reset her password that night.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Listen, Sarah's Google account history shows she was on YouTube
until two forty am March third. Later that day, the
account history was viewed and deleted. Just before two pm
March third, someone tries to reset sarah snapchat password. The
new login link was sent to her email, but it's
unclear if the attempt was successful.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
There has been no.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
Further digital activity on Sarah's emails, social media, or bank
accounts since.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
To Giovanni Dias WFTV nine, could you explain that in
slow mo for me, someone's changing her password and deleting
her search history?
Speaker 7 (26:19):
What and at this point that's all we really have,
all those records of her digital footprint. Right as the
one of your guests just mentioned, there was no videos nearby,
there was no other businesses nearby to kind of pinpoint
what happened to her after the moment she was picked
up by that you know, for that ride that she
went into. So at this point, all the investigators into
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this case have is basically all those digital marks from
phones and every you know, all of those pictures that
were taken and the attempt to change that password that
email actually was sent to her to Sarah, because that's
the standard how when you try to change your password
on your phone. And Michelle was actually able to find
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that later on because of her personal investigation into this case.
And that's as much as the investigators have. I actually
interviewed the Marion County Sheriff's Department about this case, and
they wouldn't really give me a lot of information about this.
They only said that they have a lot of leads.
They're still looking into potential connections with other people that
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kind of were located in the nearby area. But at
this point, and that was the last time I interviewed them,
they said they could not share a lot about this
case because it is still under investigation, which to me
seems a little problematic because we have made no further
discovery into this case.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Michelle, regarding discovering you discovered not police, not law enforcement,
not some detective, but you discovered someone to try to
change her password?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
How did that happen?
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I gaged access to there as teleccount, and when I
figured Marin County wasn't taken this seriously as in the
same person's case, and I could see the ascess to
the Slasha, which I notified them immediately, and then throughout
the investigation, I even continued to go ahead and get
into other accounts, email in her iCloud where you can
see the video interacting throughout the night. And I also
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Surrell and Theariam located the trust that I just forgot into.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Where is twenty six year old Sarah Ebersol, the mother
of one little girl? Now we learn that fateful night
when she was last seeing, last seeing in a Circle
K video, and last seeing taken selfies at a party
with the other couples that were there that very evening,
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someone went into her digital account and tried to change
her password. Not only that, her account history was viewed
and deleted. Now why would someone go in to reset
your Snapchat password? We know that because a new login
was sent to her email, But I wonder if that
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person couldn't access her email to make it complete a
complete change. Very reminiscent of fraudulent activity on murder victim
Gabby Petito's cell phone.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
In the aftermath of Gabby Potito's murder, the Potito family
alleges that Brian Laundry used Gabby's phone to send text
messages to her family in an attempt to deceive them.
Among the messages Brian Laundry is believed to assent is
a text message to Gabby's mother, Nicole Schmidt, about Gabby's grandfather.
In the text, he refers to Gabby's grandfather as Stan.
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Schmid has stated Gabby never called her grandfather by his
first name and that the text was highly suspicious.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Michelle, this is Sarah's sister? Was that normal? Would Sarah? Did?
She frequently change her passwords?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
This particular access to this snatchat happened on an account
she had not leased in twenty seventeen, so it would
not be an account. Give with attempt.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Actually Wardlow joining US Private Investigator Chief Chief Operations Officer
Nathan's Investigations Actually again.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
That is a multi step process to go through view
your search history, delete your search history, you know, line
by line, then go through the hoops of trying to
change a password.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That takes a lot of effort.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
And I find it really hard to believe that at
a party, this twenty six year old mom of one
is sitting at the party changing her password and deleting
her search history.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
That did not happen, Ashley.
Speaker 10 (30:50):
Yes, that's very very suspicious, Nancy, for someone to take
the initiative to even start the process to recover a password.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
It is a multi step process, right.
Speaker 10 (31:02):
You just don't go and click for gap password and
you get to make a new one. You have to
go through loopholes nowadays to get access to an email
to reset the password. Sometimes they send you text messages
to be able to authenticate you who you are to
reset this pass code. So it's very very suspicious that
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that was going on at the time when she's supposed
to be partying.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Interesting that Sarah's sister has to lead the charge in
finding her.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Listen, Sarah's sister, Michelle Tullis, begins searching the area for
the black truck. She doesn't have to look hard. A
black truck matching the surveillance footage is parked at a
home less than a tenth of a mile from the
circle k. The owner, Leonard Anderson, recognizes a photo of Sarah,
saying she accepted his buddy James Robinson's invitation to a
house party and he dropped them off at Robinson's home
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next door. The night of March second.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Okay, so once again we're corroborating those photos that we
already see about the house party at the couple's home.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
There's more. Listen.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Leonard Anderson and James Robinson are happy to speak to
Marion County Sheriff's about Sarah. Robinson says Sarah joined him
in his roommates for a small house party. Photos Sarah
took that night's show her posing with Robinson, James Shaller,
and his girlfriend Tisha McDermott. The girls even took turns
modeling outfits from Tsha's closet. One twenty four am. Robinson
text friend at Tyrone Mormon about the party and Mormon
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decides to come over. Robinson says when the party wound down,
Mormon offered to get Sarah home. Robinson says he helped
Sarah to his car between three and five AM.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
So bring me up to this point, Giovanni Diaz WFTV nine.
So they're stating they are with her, they partied into
the night, and they're all going back to his car
at between three and five am.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Is that correct?
Speaker 7 (32:54):
That's correct, And that's this point. That's the only person
in this story that actually connects all of those locations
and everything that so far we know about what happened
to Sarah, and that's where this is. That's where our
dead end is. I actually specifically asked this the Marion
County Sheriff's office when I did this story, what can
you tell us about this person Tyrone Mormon, and they
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basically were very tight lipped about it. And once again
we go back to the digital aspect of this, because
he also deleted information from his phone.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Okay, Giovanni Diaz, I don't like the sound of this
guy Mormon deleting things from his own phone. From that
not you know, if you look at my phone, I've
got seven thousand, literally unread messages.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I'm not picking for you all that to delete something specific.
Why was he deleting messages.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
It's very very disturbing that he would pick those messages
to delete.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And that's not all.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Listen, Tyrone Mormon refuses to talk. Deputies get a search
warrant for his phone, but Mormon misses his appointment to
extract the data. Mormon claims he smashed the phone, so
he trashed it. However, Mormon's girlfriend says that isn't true.
Tyrone Mormon is arrested for lying to police. When investigators
arrived to search his home for the phone, he turns
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it over. Information from the device shows Sarah and Mormon
stop at a convenience store in northeast Marion County, but
no further movements are determined.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Okay, right there, joining me.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Veteran defense attorney Matthew Barhoma joining us out of LA
at Powertrial Lawyers dot Com. Matthew, I can't wait to
see a defense attorney just like you.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Try to explain again.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
He's not been named a suspect, and he is innocent
under the eyes of the law until proven guilty beyond
a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers. But
explain to me. Give me your best shot at why you,
Matthew Brahama would delete things off your phone and then
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smash your cell phone and then tell police it was
on the blink so.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
It was all on accident, so you threw.
Speaker 11 (35:11):
It away, You know, Nancy, The beauty of American jurisprudence
is that he doesn't have to answer that.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Okay, That's what the Fifth Amendment right is all about.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Looks around you, plase, Matthew. Matthew, Matthew, look around. Do
you see a judge? Do you see a box for
the jury? You're not in corn, So don't tell me
what's coming into evidence on crime stories. I'm asking you,
how do you explain that technical legal term b S.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Did they teach you that in law school?
Speaker 11 (35:42):
Well, I'll tell you what it is.
Speaker 14 (35:43):
Okay.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
Deleting information off of your phone is not evidence of murder.
It just doesn't bring you there. Right, It's not evidence
of foul play. It doesn't bring you there. It's not
evidence of harboring someone such as Sarah. It doesn't bring
you there. There's still a missing piece of a material
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piece of evidence that's missing that corroborates or that links
mister Mormon and Sarah the victim. So unfortunately, even though
he's deleted these items, and even though he's led to
the police, he's.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Been charging pace.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Right, Okay, you know what, you just tell that to
a journy again. This guy has not been named a
suspect in this case, but you know who he makes
me think of. Let me go out to Giovanni Diaz
joining us from Florida. Does the name Madeline Soto Mattie Soto.
She was just thirteen years old when she was murdered
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by Mommy's live in Stefan stears. According to police, he's
presumed innocent. You know what he did. He deleted everything
off of his phone, but ding Dong didn't realize a
lot of it's up in the cloud, including videos that
he took before she was killed. See when I hear
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eating things off my phone? Why why that night, the
night that he was with Sarah Eberson.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Why delete that of all things?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
And what a koichi day, Giovanni that he's deleting things
off his phone at the same time somebody is trying
to change Sarah's password and deleting her search history.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
That doesn't bother you.
Speaker 7 (37:21):
It's very interesting that you actually mentioned Madeline Soto because
I was actually in court just two weeks ago for
an update hearing on this case regarding involving specifically information
about deleting data from your phone while investigation is ongoing,
and that's exactly what we were talking about here. Yeah,
as your guest mentioned there, it's not a crime that
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he deleted that. It's a crime that he lied to
law enforcement. At the time of his connection with police,
he wasn't arrest initially, he was questioned about the case,
and he provided false information and that's the reason why
he now currently faces charges for that, for lying to
law enforcement. And that's the reason why we are still
here at this point trying to understand why he would
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do that, and at the same time as he's being
charged with that, but he's out on bond. He paid
ten thousand dollars to respond to HISLF so.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
He's walking free. I get it. You money.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Ashley Wardlow also joining us from the Florida jurisdiction. Very
well known private investigator. Ashley now to hear Matthew Mohamma,
and I respect him.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
He's a great lawyer. Tell it.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
That's just you know, I don't have to prove you anything,
just because I smashed my phone and threw it away
and deleted what happened then I was with Sarah Ebersol.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
But then he clams up and refuses to speak.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I mean, Ashley, I know I can't comment on this
to a journey, but look around, everybody. We're not in
a courtroom right now. We can talk about it. Remember
that crazy First Amendment. We can have freedom of speech,
and I am free to say when someone refuses to
cooperate with police about what happened to a missing young mom?
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And you're with her last? I would want to say, yes,
I was with her. We walked to my car, I
drove her home, she got out, she waved goodbye, and
then I left. And I haven't heard from her since.
Why where is she? That's what I would think we
would hear from him, but he's refusing to speak.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Does that concern you, Ashley? Absolutely?
Speaker 10 (39:32):
It confirms me because if you don't have anything to hide,
then why are you hiding something?
Speaker 8 (39:37):
Right?
Speaker 10 (39:38):
Yes, the actual act of deleting something isn't illegal, but
when it comes down to it, you know, as a
private investigator, rich it's really interested.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
In what is in that device? What did you delete?
Speaker 10 (39:51):
Because when you think you deleted something, most of the
time we're still able.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
To uncover it.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
The shoes Sarah has seen wearing in photos at Robinson's
home a found inside her home, but her phone and
wallet are not. There are no signs of a struggle,
no clothes left out like Sarah changed, and a pack
of cigarettes and a lighter on the front porch missing
from the home. A binder of information Sarah kept on
her ex's criminal history, legal documentation of her daughter's name change,
(40:17):
a keepsake teddy bear with a dahlia flower for Cora's
middle name, and Sarah's toothbrush, hairbrush, and makeup brushes.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Michelle tell us, joining us, this is Sarah's sister who
has led the search for her sister.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
What does that tell you?
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I can see the shoes, Michelle, that Sarah's wearing in
the photos that night at the house party, at that
couple's home.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Can we see that photo. I see the shoes, and
those shoes.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Are found in her home. See those shoes right there,
Those exact shoes are found in her home, which says Michelle,
she came home. What do you deduce, Michelle, you.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Would presume that my sister made at home and that
something happened after she arrived home. Did somebody else pick
her up or what happened? We just don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Was it her cigarettes? Was it her lighter on the
front porch?
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yes, it was, because I remember my paternal grandmother would
sneak a cigarette and she would go outside and smoke
one cigarette and then come back in like nothing had happened.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
But she would leave the.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Lighter and the cigarettes out there, so everybody would know
she had been out there, So I'm thinking I'm imagining
Sarah snuck out outside so smoke wouldn't get inside where
her daughter would be, and had a cigarette. So there's
a cigarette and the lighter on the front porch. But
missing is that binder she kept on her ex husband,
(41:51):
including the docs regarding Cora. Now Cora's name change. Remember
her name had been Dolia Man and now she changed
it for the biodet.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Why would that be missing?
Speaker 5 (42:03):
That was the first thing I noticed when we went
into my sister's home. It seems like the paper cell
needed to be the leading of the history between the two.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
The search for missing mom Sarah Ebersol goes on. If
you know or think you know anything about her disappearance,
please dial three five two three six eight three five
four two. We remember an American hero Police Officer Robert
Schisler Deptford Township PD, New Jersey, shot and killed in
(42:34):
a line of duty. Survived by parents Robert and Tracy,
siblings Ashley and Tyler. American hero officer Robert Schissler. Nancy
Grace signing off goodbye for
Host
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