October 7, 2024 • 40 mins
Matthew Johnson serves in the military as a National Guardsman in the Special Ops Unit.
He takes a brief leave of absence as the children return to school. On the day Johnson is set to return to work, his wife, Jennifer Gledhill, reports him missing. She tells police he should have been home from base hours earlier, but his phone is going straight to voicemail. It turns out Johnson never showed up to work that morning. Jennifer says she last saw him driving away from their home.
The last time anyone other than Jennifer saw Johnson was three days before he was reported missing, at a neighborhood gas station. Neighbors recall seeing his truck and hearing him and Gledhill arguing late into the night.
The next day, Johnson’s communication, even with his children, stopped entirely. As police search for him, they find his truck ten days later, parked less than a mile from a million-dollar home.
The truck is locked and has gas in the tank. Nothing appears out of place inside, but none of Johnson’s belongings are found. Investigators begin processing the truck for evidence. Neighbors report last seeing the truck in his driveway the day he disappeared.
During the investigation, police discover that Johnson and Gledhill were in the midst of a contentious divorce after ten years of marriage. Gledhill initiated the split in July, with proceedings set to be finalized by the end of October.
She claims she is afraid of Johnson and says he had been violent toward her in the past. Cottonwood Heights police had visited the family’s home several times for domestic disputes.
A temporary restraining order was issued, but Gledhill needed to prove abuse for a permanent one. She provided video and text messages as evidence in her fight for the permanent order. One video showed Johnson calmly cleaning up broken glass from a family photo.
Court Commissioner Russell Minas denied the permanent order, ruling there was no evidence of abuse. He described the relationship as highly dysfunctional, with both parties equally confrontational, and noted that Gledhill did not seem afraid of Johnson. The commissioner suggested the restraining order request was a litigation tactic in the ongoing divorce.
Five days after Johnson was reported missing, Cottonwood Heights police received a call from one of Gledhill’s friends.
The friend claimed that Gledhill had called them before reporting Johnson missing, offering a very different story. According to the friend, Gledhill said she killed her husband and disposed of his body
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Sgt. Gary Young - Cottonwood Heights Police Department
- Ray Guidice - Atlanta Defense Attorney
- Dr. Chloe Carmichael – Clinical Psychologist, Women’s Health Magazine Advisory Board;’ Author: ‘Nervous Energy: Harness The Power of Your Anxiety;’ X: @DrChloe
- Toby Wolson – Forensic Consultant Specializing in DNA, Serology, and Bloodstain Pattern Analysis; Author: "Handbook of Bloodstain Pattern Analysis." out December 13
- Jennifer Dzikowski - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Why exactly why does a gorgeous and wealthy Utah mom
make a big purchase right after her special Ops hubby
seemingly disappears into thin air. I'm Nancy Grace, this is
Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Trouble is
(00:29):
unfolding in the quiet suburbs of Salt Lake City. US
National Guard soldier Matthew Johnson hasn't shown up for work
and his kids haven't heard from him for days. Where
is Matthew Johnson?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
The day Matthew Johnson is set to return to work,
Jennifer glad Hill reports her husband missing. He should have
been home from base hours ago and his phone is
going straight to voicemail. As it turns out, Johnson never
showed up to work that morning either. Jennifer says she
last saw her husband pulling out of the driveway.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Neighbors confirm they saw the husband's truck in the driveway.
There's a lot of conflicting evidence in this case, but
bottom line, where is this husband? A father, A special
Ops officer? Joining me an all star panel to make
sense of what we know? Right now as we go
to air, he is still missing again with me an
(01:27):
all star panel. But first I want to go straight
out to Jennifer Skowski joining us, investigative reporter.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Jennifer, thank you for being with us. This is some
ritzy area where he goes missing. Correct, tell me about it.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Cottonwood Heights, Utah is located just about sixteen miles away
from Salt Lake City. They lived in an extremely wealthy neighborhood,
a million dollar home. It's very uppity. I mean something
where somewhere that you would never expect something like what
(02:01):
is unfolding to happen.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
There is a massive search for the victim in this case.
Matthew Johnson. Of course, when you've got a dad with
a huge house note three children, and every picture I
see of them, they're all wearing designer clothes, They're driving
fancy cars, the whole shebang.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Joining me.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Raymond Judice, high profile lawyer out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Raymond. Very often when a guy goes missing.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Like this, you know, they say, well, I'm gonna go
get a loaf of bread and they never come back.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
They just start a new life.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
And this guy is a special ops Okay, he knows
how to disappear.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Maybe he just got sick of her and paying for
that huge. If you've seen the house, it's huge, and
they've got that.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
He's got the wife, the designer clothes, the fancy cars,
the pool, the works, and you know, sometimes people just
take a power and leave Nancy.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Back in the seventies is a book called Run, Rabid Run,
and that was exactly the premise. Too much pressure, too
many car notes, too much house notes, taxes, insurance, go
to work every day, chopwood on the weekend, taking the
kids to soccer, and this guy just says, that's enough.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Hey, I'll be back.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
As you said, I'm going to go to them, to
the quickie market and get a loaf of bread. And
he just keeps running. That's not unusual. It's not unusual
on post COVID. I think we all look back on
the pressures that we're all under to obtain, you know,
the brass ring of life, when maybe living simply might
(03:37):
be better.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
You know. Sergeant Gary Young is joining us special guest
today out of Cottonwood Heights, Utah. He is a sergeant
there in the Cottonwood Heights Police Department. Sergeant Young, I've
got so many questions for you. But when we're saying
deadbeat dad. I mean I'd be running a one hundred
and fifty person arraignment calendar, allies, of course, and there
(04:03):
would be.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
A huge throng of people in the hall. Who were they?
They would be.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
The second wave of defendants coming in for deadbeat Dad.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
There'd be just as many of.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Them as there were of criminal defendants, criminals, murders, rapists,
child molesters, arstists, the works, drug lords.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I'm like, who are those guys?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Are they on the calendar? If so, they need to
be in the courtroom. I'm going to bond for fit them.
And they're like, no, no, no, they're all the deadbeat dads.
So when you get a dad that goes missing, my
first thought would be dead beat agree or disagree?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Sergeant Yeah, I would, I would.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
I would think that that would be the easiest explanation.
If you know, if someone just disappeared off the radar,
you know, are they trying to escape something, are they
having a stressful life, are they going to go commit suicide?
You know, who knows what would lead someone to go
off the radar and originally on.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Hold on, Sergeant Gary Young, wait a minute, suicide, Wait
a minute, I find it much more often that the
deadbeat dad leaves for his younger girlfriend. Okay, he's commit suicide.
He's dumping the family and the wife and the house
and the payment and the cars and the college funds
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and the braces and the holes shebang from his thing.
That is what I would immediately think. I would immediately think, oh,
he's killed himself. Men leave home every day, thousands of
them a day, and typically, yeah, I know, women leave too,
but typically the woman is left behind to raise the children,
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pay the bills, and somehow cobble it all back together again.
So in this case, when you first hear he's gone,
did you immediately think suicide, left the country.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
What was your immediate thought?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Did you ever eat consider he just got tired of
paying all the bills.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
My original thought was that he is taking a break.
I'm not sure how much stress he's going under. I
thought he was just kind of going off the radar
and we'd find him coming back in a few days,
you know, a week at the most that he would
be coming back.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Okay, sergeant, you do know I'm a crime victim and
a former felony prosecutor and a fed before that, I'm
on your side.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Okay, but here comes the rest of that sentence. Taking
a break? How what huh? Taking a break from your family?
What does take a break mein, Sergeant Gary Young.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
Well, in your context, I was sane escaping his situation.
That's what I referred to as taking a break. I
assumed that we would find him, you know, returning back
home again. You indicated that he's he's escaping or felony abandonment.
There were no indications that he was that type of
person and he would just abandon his family. Now he's missing.
(07:07):
He was reported as missing, and you know, we put
out a press release asking for the public's help to
identify him, look for his truck. You know, if anyone
has contact with him to police have him return so
we could close out the missing persons and reunit him
with his family. To tell you the truth, I didn't
think about feeling abandonment when we took this call.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You know, I'm glad to hear what you just said.
Sergeant Gary Young is a special guest with us today.
He is a sergeant in the Cottonwood Heights PD. So
you're telling me he had no history of taking breaks,
as you euphemistically put it. No history of that, no
history of not supporting his children ever, nothing like that
(07:51):
in this guy's history. Matthew Johnson correct, correct, Okay, that
puts things in an entirely different light.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Listen to this.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
As Cottonwood Heights Police continue their exhaustive search for Matthew Johnson,
a call goes out for the public's help in finding
not only Matthew Johnson, but his truck. Matthew is described
as standing five foot nine, weigh one hundred and seventy
eight pounds. He has blue eyes and a shaped head.
Johnson drives a maroon dodged fifteen hundred pick up.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Okay, what does he need a fifteen hundred, Sergeant Young, Well, we're.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
In a I have a pickup truck myself. We're in
we're in the West, and pickup trucks are a very
good utility vehicle. You can go camping with them, you
can drive in luxury. You know, they seat five to
six people, and they're prebvioucent trucks. And when you think
about pickups, the fifteen hundred is the lower end of
(08:47):
the pickup class. So I think it's a good family vehicle.
It's just what a you know, a strapping young man
like Matthew Johnson would drive. Would be a pickup truck.
That's my deal truck.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I was just wondering because I thought a Dodge fifteen
hundred was heavy duty.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
He is special Ops?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
What exactly does that mean in this scenario? Why was
he special ops? What does that entail for him?
Speaker 7 (09:21):
He received training and I guess he was deployed, you know,
several times overseas on the warrant.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Terror Sergeant Young question, what did you put in your
plate to the public?
Speaker 7 (09:30):
I asked our local affiliates in the press if they
would broadcast out that we're looking for a missing persons
for Matthew Johnson. I put out his description where he's
lasting at the time frame, and then what you know,
a recent photo and his picture of his truck, and
then asked for the public's assistance if they've seen him
(09:51):
or his truck, or maybe he has a friend that
is in contact with him and will be able to
come forward, and we would like to resolve that missing
person's we'd like to make it a fen person case.
So that's the information.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
About crime stories with Nancy Gray. When was the last
time this loving husband and father had been seen alive.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
The last time Matthew Johnson is seen by someone other
than Jennifer Gledhill is three days before he's reported missing,
at a neighborhood gas station. Neighbors say they remember seeing
Johnson's truck in the driveway. The next day, Johnson's communications,
even with his children stop entirely.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
We're hearing a.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Lot about the truck, Isn't it true, Sergeant Gary Young,
that when you're looking for missing person, you're also looking
for their vehicle.
Speaker 7 (10:45):
Yes, no, I was saying, yes, that's how they get
to and from work, that they go about their daily
lives and pursuits as they drive their personal vehicle, and
so ideally he would be with his vehicle.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
We just saw the same scenario in the case of
two missing moms on their way to take children to
a birthday party.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
There was an all out search.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
For them until their vehicle was found on a remote
country road with a pool of blood.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Nearby a glass from the window.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Their bodies later found stuffed into an ice chest and
buried in a cow pasture, deep deeply buried, and then
covered with dirt and chunks of cement. What crack that case?
The discovery of the car in this case.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Ten days after Matthew Johnson is reported missing, his truck
is finally recovered. It's parked on the street, not even
a mile from his million dollar home. The truck is
locked with gas in the tank. Inside the truck, nothing
appears out of the ordinary, but cops do not find
any more of Matthew's belongings. Investigators begin processing the truck
for any evidence that would explain what happened to Johnson.
(11:59):
Neighbors say they last saw the truck on the day
Johnson went missing.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Very curious.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
None of his belongings in his truck. Wouldn't you expect something?
I mean, when you look in our minivan, you will
probably find its belonging to the twins. You will find
dog treats, you will find old cups of tea, and
there are all sorts of indications that somebody has just
(12:24):
driven the truck. So Sergeant Gary Young joining us sergeant
with the Cottonwood Heights PD on the case of a
missing husband and father. When you find a truck about
a mile away from their million dollar home, there's nothing
in there that belongs to him.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
There was nothing in there that an indicator that he'd
been sleeping in his car or living in his car,
and I have to correct that statement. It was about
block and a half, almost two blocks away from his
house where the vehicle was located, and that aroused our suspicion.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And I'm very curious, Sergeant Young, it's that close to
the home, Why did it take so long to find it?
Speaker 7 (13:05):
The way it's it's positioned on the on the roadway.
It's a cul de sac or a dead end street.
There's not a lot of traffic volume in there, and
it was just parked in front of that, you know,
in a residential neighborhood, in a cul de sac or
a dead end and so we didn't find that vehicle
for several days.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Joining me now is Toby Woolson. He's a forensic biologist.
He's a bloodstained pattern analyst and No Slow Forensic Consultation
formerly with Miami DADPD. Can I tell you never a
lack of business for a forensics expert at Miami Day Okay.
(13:45):
You can find him at no Slow Forensic dot com.
And he is an author of a book coming out
December thirteen, which is on my must read list.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I don't say that very often.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Toby called handbook a blood stain pattern Analysis. Now that's
going to be some good reading, Toby Handbook a blood
Stained Pattern Analysis.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But what I want to talk to you about right.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Now, in a lot of your experience with the Departments
Forensic Services Bureau at Miami Dad, if there had been
foul play, Toby, what would you have expected.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
To find in that dodge fifteen hundred.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Well, it depends where the foul play occurred. If it
occurs in the truck, then we would process the truck
looking for any evidence of biological materials, most likely blood,
because it's not normal to find a lot of blood
or that in a vehicle. You know, if you think
the truck was used for transport, then the bet of
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the truck becomes the area of high interest because it's
easier to put a body in the bed of a
pickup truck than it is.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
In the count.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's why it's so critical that forensics check out the bed.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I mean, when you're talking about a.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Vehicle to raimonds you to Chay, just the importance of
a vehicle cannot be emphasized enough.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Just let me throw off one example.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Top Mom Casey Anthony, the mom the grandma opens the door, Okay,
Cindy Anthony of her daughter, top Mom Casey Anthony's car,
and she goes, whoa, and.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
She tells nineber one, it smells like a dead body.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Okay, that smell emanating from the trunk of top Mom's car.
And you know, Ray, you and I've been to a
lot of mercies, you never mistake that smell.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Ever.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
So, also in the trunk from which the dead body
smell is emanating is found a hair of baby Kelly,
two year old Kelly. Now it's identified through mitochondrial DNA,
which you and I know means DNA of the mother. Specifically,
that means that hair could only belong to three people,
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the grandmother Cindy Anthony, the mother, top Mom, Casey Anthony,
or the baby Kelly. It was not the grandmother because
her hair had been died blonde. It was not the
mother Top Mom because her hair had also been treated.
This was a pristine hair, no treatment whatsoever, a.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Natural hair, a child's hair.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
It was Kelly's hair and the trunk that smelt like
a dead body.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
That is why a vehicle is so important. Agree to disagree,
totally agree.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
And also the positioning of the vehicle in the case
at bar that pickup truck is close to the scene
of the crime. That means somebody could have driven it there,
hidden it, quote unquote, and walked back to the scene
of the crime.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Try not just drive it off and burn it like
any self respecting criminal would do.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
I don't disagree with that, but I also say that,
and a million dollar plus neighborhood, I'll bet there's a
whole lot of ring security cameras facing out from all
the homes and the coul de sac that show that
pick them up truck gett in part and somebody get
out of the driver's seat.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Okay, now you just said something very telling, Judicay, you
said leave the truck and walk back. So right there,
you're saying walk back. It's got to be within walking distance.
Why would you leave the truck right there?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Another issue. Hey, I'm sure you remember this. Like everybody
on the panel, all you League Legal is listening right now.
Tara Grinstead, Oh, my star's beautiful high school teacher just
got her master's, beloved by all of her students, just disappears.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Okay, how did that happen?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And the tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny town in South Georgia.
I remember going through her house with her mother, and
it looked like a little jewelry box. It was perfectly appointed,
beautifully decorated, all by hand, not some fancy interior designer.
But I noticed that her bed in her bedroom was askew.
(18:17):
Have you ever met one of those people? What do
you call them? Doctor Chlobe Carmichael? That everything has to
be exactly in the right place.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
What is that? Anal compulsive? What is that?
Speaker 9 (18:27):
It's an obsessive pass person and they are often considered
anal retentive as well. You just combined the terms though
I did that.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Okay, hey, you're the shrink. I'm just a trial lawyer.
That's why I have you to correct me.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
So obsessive compulsive, yes, So in a case like that,
when you see something totally out of the ordinary, here
is this obsessive compulsive perfectly every thing had to be
in place, and her bed was like pushed over, crooked
in the room. And I looked at her mother and
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I said, why is her bed crooked? And she said,
I don't know, I've never seen it like that before.
Then I found out this Sergeant Gary Young. I found
out that Terra Grin said, also her compulsion. She's an
eat nick, She's not crazy. Extended to her car. Have
(19:24):
you ever met those people? Their car still smells new
after like three years, it's still perfect. She was like
that with her car. Her car, I believe it was white.
There was mud all up both sides of her car.
I'm like, WHOA, Okay, that's not right, that's not right.
The seat, the driver's seat.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Was way back. There's no way she could have even
reached the gas pedal if with a seat back that far.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
In this guy's car, Matthew Johnson, Special Ops.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Where was his seat when the vehicle.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Was located and towed? Do our evidence processing? It was
left in the same position, was founded and they haven't
adjusted it.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
A Dodge fifteen hundred pickup truck hidden in playing sight.
A Special Ops dad goes missing. Then we find out
mommy makes.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
A huge purchase. Where is the missing dad? Who are
these people? Listen?
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Matthew Johnson fifty one and Jennifer Gludhill, forty one, welcome
three children, now eleven, seven, and five. During more than
a decade of marriage. The family settles in Cottonwood Heights,
a suburb of Salt Lake City, living in a home
worth nearly a million dollars. Matthew Johnson is still active military,
serving as a National Guardsman. In the special optionit, Johnson
takes a brief leave of absence while the children return
(20:47):
to school.
Speaker 10 (20:48):
Cottonwood Heights PDE search for Matthew Johnson, aware of the
fact that the couple is in the midst of a
contentious divorce. Jennifer Gledhill initiated the split in July, with
proceedings set to be finalized by the end of October.
Gledhill says she is afraid of Johnson, claiming Johnson has
been violent with her in the past.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Really so, she claims he's been violent toward her in
the past, but that is not what a judge said listen.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
Seven weeks after Jennifer Gledhill files for divorce, Gledhill files
for a protective order against Matthew Johnson. A temporary order
is granted, but Gledhill must prove abuse at the hands
of her husband for anything more permanent. After reviewing text
messages and footage Gledhill taped of several altercations, a judge
dismisses the order. The judge says the evidence shows Gledhill
(21:35):
is equally confrontational and belittling and demeaning to her husband.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Okay, let's go to a lawyer that has handled plenty
of similar disputes, Raymond Judice.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
What does all of that mean? That is in civil
court not my arena. But I know this.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
She goes for a tro temporary restraining order and the
judge won't do it. He will extend that he says,
the evidence shows that she is confrontational, not him, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
The standard procedure is that when someone who feels they
were abused goes to the courthouse, in a civil court
clerk's office, they apply for a temporary protective order, temporary
restraining order, same thing that is automatically granted right then
and there with an emergency hearing set in front of
a judge as quickly as possible, generally within a few days.
(22:29):
That is the hearing that we're referencing, where the judge
took evidence from both sides, allegedly reviewed text messages and
some videotape and testimony, and that judge found that there
wasn't enough evidence to grant a permanent protective order restraining order,
and he dismissed the temporary restraining protective order against.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Matthew Johnson as you to say, you have you ever
been in court and the lawyer for the other side
introduces something and you're sitting there going, oh, must that
helps me?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
And it totally backfires.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And that is why you better practice every in court demonstration,
have every prop have every poster or every piece of evidence.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I mean, do I have to say it doesn't fit?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Oh, dear Lord in heaven talking about the Simpson glove. Okay,
he put it over two singers and went, Okay, it
won't fit. And what were they gonna do? Chris Darden
wrestle him in court and make it go down over
his hand. That said, never ever play anything or bring
in evidence that you haven't tested yourself. Because when this wife,
(23:40):
Jennifer Gludheel, brings in the video to show the judge
why she should get the house and the money and
the children in this tro like kick him out of
the house, he goes, Lady.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
That doesn't really help you.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Listen to this video and text messages are gathered as
proof Gledhill's fight for a permanent order. One video shows
Johnson cleaning up glass from a broken family photo his demeanor.
Calm Court Commissioner Russell Minus denied the permanent order, determining
there was no abuse. He describes the couple's relationship as
(24:16):
highly dysfunctional, adding both parties were equally confrontational and that
Gluhill did not exhibit any fear of Johnson. The commissioner
said the request for a restraining order appears to be
a litigation tactic in the pending divorce.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Matthew Johnson has been missing five days when Kinwood Heights
p D gets a call from a friend of Jennifer Gludhill's.
The friend claims Gluhill called before reporting Matthew missing, giving
a very different version of events.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
A very different version of events. What she changes her story? Oh, yes,
she changes the story. And based on that very different
version of events, the dominoes start falling, yacking, talking, gossiping.
(25:04):
Why did she call her friend and give a different
version of events?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
What happens next? Listen?
Speaker 8 (25:11):
Cottenwood Heights PD execute a search for in at the
couple's home. Cops confirm the suspicion that glad Hill replace
the mattress in their master bedroom, the new one arriving
three days after her husband's disappearance.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Uh oh, your husband goes missing a new order a
new mattress.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Doctor Chloe Carmichael.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I find that very unusual at a time when you
need to be scouring the whole county trying to find
your husband, pouring over her credit cards in ATM transactions
to try to find him. She goes, Wow, I've got
a lumpy mattress. That doesn't make sense, doctor Chloe.
Speaker 9 (25:46):
No, I would agree, Nancy. And moreover, if they had
a pending divorce, then you know, people are usually thinking
more about trying to kind of get rid of things that,
you know, buy new things when there's likely going to
be a move happening. Also, it sounds like maybe what
psychologists call impression management, when a person you know goes
(26:07):
out of their way to try to frame the other
persons as a victim, or rather frame the other person
as the aggressor and frame themselves as the victim. So,
you know, she's producing these videos and whatnot, but they
don't actually show anything incriminating and there's a lack of
any real evidence on her part of you know, injuries
(26:27):
or bruising or anything like that. I also find it
unusual that she would not tell the police proactively if
there had been some sort of a conflict, you know,
if she was calling to make a second report about
a conflict, why would she not have just told them
everything she knew to say, Look, we had a fight,
maybe he ran away, Please go try to find him.
(26:50):
So the fact that she's withholding information and then changing
her story and then possibly making you know, private statements
to somebody else, she's not appearing like a consistent witness here.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Sergeant Gary Young joining US Cottonwood Heights PD. Sergeant Young,
I remember the horrible moment, and it only lasted about
five minutes.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Max.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I was in a giant babies or us and I
turned around and I had my daughter was still standing there,
but my son was gone. He was only two and
a half three. I picked her up like football and
started running, screaming bloody murder to lock the front doors
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and the back doors because my son was missing. I
didn't think about ordering an ee mattress in that moment.
I didn't gather my things that I had already put
in the cart for them and casually stroll up front
and start check out. Doctor Chloe was really calm in
her answer, But I find that crazy odd that she,
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while her husband is missing, orders a knee mattress.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
That doesn't bother.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
You, No, that bothered me because been married for thirty years.
And if we make a purchase like a mattress, that's
a husband and wife decision, and that may take a
couple of days or visits because you're going to be
a couple of thousand dollars in mattress. So that would
that's not a normal every day or spur of the moment,
you know, President's Day mattress.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
I would think that they had have spoken about, or
it wouldn't take place during a crisis such as your
missing husband.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
When you and your coworkers execute a search warrant, Sergeant
Gary Young, what if anything do you find in the home.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
Ideally we're going to find, you know, physical even for
executing a warrant, we would like to have any evidence
of the crime, hopefully blood or other bodily fluids. That
would be the ideal situation that we would be able
to find.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
That. Isn't it true that blood was found on the
slats beneath the knee mattress and a large bloodstain on
the carpet bold the bed the room looked as if
it had been meticulously clean, including bleaching the walls and
trying to remove the stain out of the carpet.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Toby Wilson joining.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Me, Forensic biologists, bloodstain pattern analyst at No Slow Forensics Consultation.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Help me, Toby explain what we're saying.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Well, when there's signs of a cleanup, which is the
bleach and the cleaners, it should peak curiosity, especially in
a bedroom. A bedroom, you know there's so many things
in there that will retain evidence. The mattress is nothing
more than a big sponge, so cleaning in that is
virtually impossible. In my opinion, I've never seen anyone successfully
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clean a mattress be because you may get it most
of it off the surface, but there's going to be
plenty inside. And then if there's enough blood, sufficient blood
that it bleeds through the mattress and ends up down
on the slats supporting it and the carpet underneath. Again,
you're working trying to clean away something that's very porous.
So the slats usually are wood. They're going to absorb
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the blood, so it's going to be difficult to get
it out of the wood. But the carpet is the
bigger factor. I've found in many of the cases where
I've gone looking for a cleanup, carpeting is where we
find it because they may clean the surface so that
you can't see the blood, but there's this pad under
the carpet that actually a sponge also, and you can
just peel the carpet back and find blood frequently weeks
(30:45):
if there's a large volume, weeks after the event that's
still wet. So there's many places in this setting that
would be potentially harboring blood cleanup. The other thing is
is that when people clean up crime scenes, they're not
blood experts, and they clean up what they visually see.
They miss the small stuff. So when I go into
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process a crime scene and look for blood, I'm using
whatever methodology, usually visual to lead me to the areas
they've missed. So there's a lot of things here that
would have applied. And the replacement of the mattress would
be a key piece of interest, because you know, knowing
that you're not going to get the blood out of
that mattress, you know if you've got to replace it.
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It's just especially with the volumes of blood you're talking
about here. If there was enough blood to bleed through
and get to the areas under the mattress, that mattress
had to be very saturated.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
Gledhill's friend recounts to police what Gledhill openly admitted the
evening before reporting her husband missing. Gledhill shot Johnson in
the head while he slept, then buried his body in
a shallow grave. Gledhill revealed the approximate location of the grave,
telling her friend she's trying to determine next steps.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Next steps? Is that what it's called?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Okay, so, Ray, how does her gossiping to her friend
fit into your scenario? Why does she have to call
the friend and tell the whole thing and now she's
trying to figure out next steps?
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Well, that certainly shows after death behavior. But what the
defensive battered women's syndrome is is everything that leads up
to the homicide is a homicide. But why why is
there enough evidence of abuse sufficient that a judge and
jury would say we understand what she did her behavior
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after that?
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Okay, that's a different argument.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
I don't think it's helpful, Don't get me wrong. You
would rather not have as a defense lawyer, that kind
of a text message and that friend who's going to
testify for the state obviously come into evidence. But you've
got to come up with a defense unless you argue
it was a third party, a burglar, somebody else or
a lover. And I don't see anything right now that
would support that as your primary defense.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Okay, So bottom line, you got to go somewhere. What
are you going to do.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
You've managed to get your her husband's blood all over
the slats under the bed.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
You're basically busted, unless.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
You want to blame it on the five year old
for trying to do a cleanup of the carpet. You
heard what Toby Wilson said. When they go under that carpet,
the lord.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Only knows what they're going to find under there.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
But this is not the first time we would see
a wife meticulously.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Planning I murder.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Does the name Corey Richins ring a bell also known
as Moscow mule mom?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Listen?
Speaker 11 (33:32):
Police find Eric Richins dead on his bedroom floor. According
to court documents, Richins and his wife, Corey were celebrating
a business accomplishment the night he died. Police say Corey
claimed she made him Eric a Moscow mule, which he
drank in the bedroom. They say Corey told authorities that
she left to help one of their children and returned
(33:54):
to the bed several hours later. It was then, they say,
that she noticed Eric was cold to the touch and
called nine to one one.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And then there's Emily U, the so called draino wife.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (34:09):
Radiologist Jack Chin says he noticed a chemical taste in
his drinks, so he set up a hidden camera in
their kitchen, capturing video evidence of his wife. You you
allegedly taking draino from under the sink and pouring it
into his lemonade. On three separate instances, a doctor diagnoses
Chin with two stomach alsters, gastritis and esophagus inflammation. Hidden
(34:30):
video is enough for cops, and the forty five year
old dermatologist is placed under arrest for trying to poison
her husband.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
And what's so interesting about that case is this woman,
who as I recall, was a doctor herself.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Is caught on video. The husband gets.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Suspicious when his stomach becomes inflamed, and he posts video
cams all around the kitchen and the home. You see
her on video going over to the kitchen cabinet and
reaching in. He wisely set up a camera inside the
kitchen cabin and you see your hand reach in and
get the draino and pull it out, and then she
(35:08):
doctors his morning drink. Okay, Doctor Chloe Carmichael, joining us
clinical psychologist, explain what's happening in these scenarios.
Speaker 9 (35:17):
Yeah, Well, especially with our current situation, I look at
what psychologists call grandiosity. So you would ask how it
could be that she could think that she could just
literally clean this up, you know, out of the carpet,
and if it is true that indeed she took it
into her own hands to just murder her husband, right there,
(35:37):
we have an element of grandiosity. And once you've done
an act like that, or even are preparing to do
an act like that, more than likely, unless you're a
total psychopath, you would have what psychologists call hot cognition,
So you know, your your mind is kind of supercharged,
and maybe you're not even thinking super clearly, and so
(35:58):
that might be why you know, she could to do
something like that without really thinking it through. But again
I'm looking at the grandiosity possibility, the idea that she
would think that she could just you know, make these
videos and paint him a certain way and paint herself
a certain way and then maybe potentially go murder him
and confide in a friend and think it would never
(36:20):
come back upon her. There's a real egoism there, if
all of that is true.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
You know, Jennifer Scotski joining me, investigative reporter, Jennifer, I'm
always amazed that killers will speak to their compadres, their cohorts,
not even co defendants, and expect them to keep quiet.
That's always been so bizarre to me that you murder someone,
(36:46):
in this case, murdering him in his sleep, so that's
not self defense, telling friends about it, expecting them to
be in on your secret.
Speaker 9 (36:57):
Yes, Nancy, it's definitely a case of would be a
great example of grandiosity that she could do something like
murder and then can find in a friend and as
you said, expect that the friend would just obey her instructions,
you know, to keep this, you know, murder confession quiet. Essentially,
that would definitely speak to a grandiosity or kind of
(37:18):
a fuzzy connection with reality and social norms and what
she could expect from people.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
What about it, dinnerfer Skouski.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Now just to me, just looking at all of this,
who it sounds like your classic dumb killer. I mean,
it seems that she just didn't think at all. I mean,
who buys a new mattress after who goes to their
friend and says I did this? Or confidential informant as
they're calling this person?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Who does that?
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Nobody with a sane, normal mind is ever going to
think they're going to get away with the way that
miss Jennifer has has tried to do thus far.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
And of course I want you to take a look
at the classic black widow. Dahlia Dippolito offers a hitman
seven thousand dollars to kill her husband. She sets up
an alibi for herself in their early morning hours, where
she says she's going to the gym. The hitman would
go in the home and kill her husband unbeknownst to her,
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of course, she has done a deal with an undercover
surveillance officer. This is her when Ellie law enforcement come
to tell her her.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Husband is dead. Little do they does she know this
is all part.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Of a sting. So watch Dahlia Dippolito, watch out, Meryl Street,
She's coming for you.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Is your husband?
Speaker 7 (38:47):
Michael Okay, I'm sorry to tell you man, he's been killed.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
He's been killed.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Right now we need to get we need.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I can't look and then we have to do our job.
Speaker 7 (39:06):
If you want the finest pillera we need you to
calm do need you to go with theives?
Speaker 8 (39:12):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Sergeant Gary Young joining us from Cottonwood p D. Where
is the search? Where did she allegedly stay? She buried
her husband?
Speaker 7 (39:23):
Are still looking for the deceased and we weren't given
a specific location. We have put out about twenty five
warrants now for cell phones, computer history those we're still
following up on all our leads trying to get the
best known location. I mean, be a needle in a
haystack to just randomly go drive around and look for
(39:45):
a place. But we're still trying to narrow that down
and uh, several leads we've looked into that haven't been
very fruitful, and so we're still exploding that electronic information
trying to gain a better location on where we should
you know, focus our.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Search and where is Jennifer Gledhill? Now listen.
Speaker 10 (40:01):
Jennifer Gledhill is arrested outside her home nine days into
the search for Matthew Johnson on suspicion of murder and
tampering with evidence. The couple's three children have been placed
in the care of a relative. As Gledhill has been
denied bail. Gledhill will remain in the Salt Lake County
Jail due to fears she will further tamper with evidence
or flee based on the comments she made to her friend.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
If you know or think you know anything regarding the
disappearance of this husband and father, Special Ops Hubby Matthew Johnson,
please dial eight zero one eight four zero four thousand,
repeat eight zero one eight four zero four thousand. Nancy
(40:45):
Gray signing off, goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Why exactly why does a gorgeous and wealthy Utah mom
make a big purchase right after her special Ops hubby
seemingly disappears into thin air. I'm Nancy Grace, this is
Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Trouble is
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unfolding in the quiet suburbs of Salt Lake City. US
National Guard soldier Matthew Johnson hasn't shown up for work
and his kids haven't heard from him for days. Where
is Matthew Johnson?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
The day Matthew Johnson is set to return to work,
Jennifer glad Hill reports her husband missing. He should have
been home from base hours ago and his phone is
going straight to voicemail. As it turns out, Johnson never
showed up to work that morning either. Jennifer says she
last saw her husband pulling out of the driveway.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Neighbors confirm they saw the husband's truck in the driveway.
There's a lot of conflicting evidence in this case, but
bottom line, where is this husband? A father, A special
Ops officer? Joining me an all star panel to make
sense of what we know? Right now as we go
to air, he is still missing again with me an
(01:27):
all star panel. But first I want to go straight
out to Jennifer Skowski joining us, investigative reporter.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Jennifer, thank you for being with us. This is some
ritzy area where he goes missing. Correct, tell me about it.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Cottonwood Heights, Utah is located just about sixteen miles away
from Salt Lake City. They lived in an extremely wealthy neighborhood,
a million dollar home. It's very uppity. I mean something
where somewhere that you would never expect something like what
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is unfolding to happen.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
There is a massive search for the victim in this case.
Matthew Johnson. Of course, when you've got a dad with
a huge house note three children, and every picture I
see of them, they're all wearing designer clothes, They're driving
fancy cars, the whole shebang.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Joining me.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Raymond Judice, high profile lawyer out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Raymond. Very often when a guy goes missing.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Like this, you know, they say, well, I'm gonna go
get a loaf of bread and they never come back.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
They just start a new life.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
And this guy is a special ops Okay, he knows
how to disappear.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Maybe he just got sick of her and paying for
that huge. If you've seen the house, it's huge, and
they've got that.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
He's got the wife, the designer clothes, the fancy cars,
the pool, the works, and you know, sometimes people just
take a power and leave Nancy.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Back in the seventies is a book called Run, Rabid Run,
and that was exactly the premise. Too much pressure, too
many car notes, too much house notes, taxes, insurance, go
to work every day, chopwood on the weekend, taking the
kids to soccer, and this guy just says, that's enough.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Hey, I'll be back.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
As you said, I'm going to go to them, to
the quickie market and get a loaf of bread. And
he just keeps running. That's not unusual. It's not unusual
on post COVID. I think we all look back on
the pressures that we're all under to obtain, you know,
the brass ring of life, when maybe living simply might
(03:37):
be better.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
You know. Sergeant Gary Young is joining us special guest
today out of Cottonwood Heights, Utah. He is a sergeant
there in the Cottonwood Heights Police Department. Sergeant Young, I've
got so many questions for you. But when we're saying
deadbeat dad. I mean I'd be running a one hundred
and fifty person arraignment calendar, allies, of course, and there
(04:03):
would be.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
A huge throng of people in the hall. Who were they?
They would be.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
The second wave of defendants coming in for deadbeat Dad.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
There'd be just as many of.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Them as there were of criminal defendants, criminals, murders, rapists,
child molesters, arstists, the works, drug lords.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I'm like, who are those guys?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Are they on the calendar? If so, they need to
be in the courtroom. I'm going to bond for fit them.
And they're like, no, no, no, they're all the deadbeat dads.
So when you get a dad that goes missing, my
first thought would be dead beat agree or disagree?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Sergeant Yeah, I would, I would.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
I would think that that would be the easiest explanation.
If you know, if someone just disappeared off the radar,
you know, are they trying to escape something, are they
having a stressful life, are they going to go commit suicide?
You know, who knows what would lead someone to go
off the radar and originally on.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Hold on, Sergeant Gary Young, wait a minute, suicide, Wait
a minute, I find it much more often that the
deadbeat dad leaves for his younger girlfriend. Okay, he's commit suicide.
He's dumping the family and the wife and the house
and the payment and the cars and the college funds
(05:20):
and the braces and the holes shebang from his thing.
That is what I would immediately think. I would immediately think, oh,
he's killed himself. Men leave home every day, thousands of
them a day, and typically, yeah, I know, women leave too,
but typically the woman is left behind to raise the children,
(05:42):
pay the bills, and somehow cobble it all back together again.
So in this case, when you first hear he's gone,
did you immediately think suicide, left the country.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
What was your immediate thought?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Did you ever eat consider he just got tired of
paying all the bills.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
My original thought was that he is taking a break.
I'm not sure how much stress he's going under. I
thought he was just kind of going off the radar
and we'd find him coming back in a few days,
you know, a week at the most that he would
be coming back.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Okay, sergeant, you do know I'm a crime victim and
a former felony prosecutor and a fed before that, I'm
on your side.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Okay, but here comes the rest of that sentence. Taking
a break? How what huh? Taking a break from your family?
What does take a break mein, Sergeant Gary Young.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
Well, in your context, I was sane escaping his situation.
That's what I referred to as taking a break. I
assumed that we would find him, you know, returning back
home again. You indicated that he's he's escaping or felony abandonment.
There were no indications that he was that type of
person and he would just abandon his family. Now he's missing.
(07:07):
He was reported as missing, and you know, we put
out a press release asking for the public's help to
identify him, look for his truck. You know, if anyone
has contact with him to police have him return so
we could close out the missing persons and reunit him
with his family. To tell you the truth, I didn't
think about feeling abandonment when we took this call.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You know, I'm glad to hear what you just said.
Sergeant Gary Young is a special guest with us today.
He is a sergeant in the Cottonwood Heights PD. So
you're telling me he had no history of taking breaks,
as you euphemistically put it. No history of that, no
history of not supporting his children ever, nothing like that
(07:51):
in this guy's history. Matthew Johnson correct, correct, Okay, that
puts things in an entirely different light.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Listen to this.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
As Cottonwood Heights Police continue their exhaustive search for Matthew Johnson,
a call goes out for the public's help in finding
not only Matthew Johnson, but his truck. Matthew is described
as standing five foot nine, weigh one hundred and seventy
eight pounds. He has blue eyes and a shaped head.
Johnson drives a maroon dodged fifteen hundred pick up.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Okay, what does he need a fifteen hundred, Sergeant Young, Well, we're.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
In a I have a pickup truck myself. We're in
we're in the West, and pickup trucks are a very
good utility vehicle. You can go camping with them, you
can drive in luxury. You know, they seat five to
six people, and they're prebvioucent trucks. And when you think
about pickups, the fifteen hundred is the lower end of
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the pickup class. So I think it's a good family vehicle.
It's just what a you know, a strapping young man
like Matthew Johnson would drive. Would be a pickup truck.
That's my deal truck.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I was just wondering because I thought a Dodge fifteen
hundred was heavy duty.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
He is special Ops?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
What exactly does that mean in this scenario? Why was
he special ops? What does that entail for him?
Speaker 7 (09:21):
He received training and I guess he was deployed, you know,
several times overseas on the warrant.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Terror Sergeant Young question, what did you put in your
plate to the public?
Speaker 7 (09:30):
I asked our local affiliates in the press if they
would broadcast out that we're looking for a missing persons
for Matthew Johnson. I put out his description where he's
lasting at the time frame, and then what you know,
a recent photo and his picture of his truck, and
then asked for the public's assistance if they've seen him
(09:51):
or his truck, or maybe he has a friend that
is in contact with him and will be able to
come forward, and we would like to resolve that missing
person's we'd like to make it a fen person case.
So that's the information.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
About crime stories with Nancy Gray. When was the last
time this loving husband and father had been seen alive.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (10:20):
The last time Matthew Johnson is seen by someone other
than Jennifer Gledhill is three days before he's reported missing,
at a neighborhood gas station. Neighbors say they remember seeing
Johnson's truck in the driveway. The next day, Johnson's communications,
even with his children stop entirely.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
We're hearing a.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Lot about the truck, Isn't it true, Sergeant Gary Young,
that when you're looking for missing person, you're also looking
for their vehicle.
Speaker 7 (10:45):
Yes, no, I was saying, yes, that's how they get
to and from work, that they go about their daily
lives and pursuits as they drive their personal vehicle, and
so ideally he would be with his vehicle.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
We just saw the same scenario in the case of
two missing moms on their way to take children to
a birthday party.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
There was an all out search.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
For them until their vehicle was found on a remote
country road with a pool of blood.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Nearby a glass from the window.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Their bodies later found stuffed into an ice chest and
buried in a cow pasture, deep deeply buried, and then
covered with dirt and chunks of cement. What crack that case?
The discovery of the car in this case.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Ten days after Matthew Johnson is reported missing, his truck
is finally recovered. It's parked on the street, not even
a mile from his million dollar home. The truck is
locked with gas in the tank. Inside the truck, nothing
appears out of the ordinary, but cops do not find
any more of Matthew's belongings. Investigators begin processing the truck
for any evidence that would explain what happened to Johnson.
(11:59):
Neighbors say they last saw the truck on the day
Johnson went missing.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Very curious.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
None of his belongings in his truck. Wouldn't you expect something?
I mean, when you look in our minivan, you will
probably find its belonging to the twins. You will find
dog treats, you will find old cups of tea, and
there are all sorts of indications that somebody has just
(12:24):
driven the truck. So Sergeant Gary Young joining us sergeant
with the Cottonwood Heights PD on the case of a
missing husband and father. When you find a truck about
a mile away from their million dollar home, there's nothing
in there that belongs to him.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
There was nothing in there that an indicator that he'd
been sleeping in his car or living in his car,
and I have to correct that statement. It was about
block and a half, almost two blocks away from his
house where the vehicle was located, and that aroused our suspicion.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And I'm very curious, Sergeant Young, it's that close to
the home, Why did it take so long to find it?
Speaker 7 (13:05):
The way it's it's positioned on the on the roadway.
It's a cul de sac or a dead end street.
There's not a lot of traffic volume in there, and
it was just parked in front of that, you know,
in a residential neighborhood, in a cul de sac or
a dead end and so we didn't find that vehicle
for several days.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Joining me now is Toby Woolson. He's a forensic biologist.
He's a bloodstained pattern analyst and No Slow Forensic Consultation
formerly with Miami DADPD. Can I tell you never a
lack of business for a forensics expert at Miami Day Okay.
(13:45):
You can find him at no Slow Forensic dot com.
And he is an author of a book coming out
December thirteen, which is on my must read list.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I don't say that very often.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Toby called handbook a blood stain pattern Analysis. Now that's
going to be some good reading, Toby Handbook a blood
Stained Pattern Analysis.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But what I want to talk to you about right.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Now, in a lot of your experience with the Departments
Forensic Services Bureau at Miami Dad, if there had been
foul play, Toby, what would you have expected.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
To find in that dodge fifteen hundred.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Well, it depends where the foul play occurred. If it
occurs in the truck, then we would process the truck
looking for any evidence of biological materials, most likely blood,
because it's not normal to find a lot of blood
or that in a vehicle. You know, if you think
the truck was used for transport, then the bet of
(14:46):
the truck becomes the area of high interest because it's
easier to put a body in the bed of a
pickup truck than it is.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
In the count.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's why it's so critical that forensics check out the bed.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I mean, when you're talking about a.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Vehicle to raimonds you to Chay, just the importance of
a vehicle cannot be emphasized enough.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Just let me throw off one example.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Top Mom Casey Anthony, the mom the grandma opens the door, Okay,
Cindy Anthony of her daughter, top Mom Casey Anthony's car,
and she goes, whoa, and.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
She tells nineber one, it smells like a dead body.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Okay, that smell emanating from the trunk of top Mom's car.
And you know, Ray, you and I've been to a
lot of mercies, you never mistake that smell.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Ever.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
So, also in the trunk from which the dead body
smell is emanating is found a hair of baby Kelly,
two year old Kelly. Now it's identified through mitochondrial DNA,
which you and I know means DNA of the mother. Specifically,
that means that hair could only belong to three people,
(16:00):
the grandmother Cindy Anthony, the mother, top Mom, Casey Anthony,
or the baby Kelly. It was not the grandmother because
her hair had been died blonde. It was not the
mother Top Mom because her hair had also been treated.
This was a pristine hair, no treatment whatsoever, a.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Natural hair, a child's hair.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
It was Kelly's hair and the trunk that smelt like
a dead body.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
That is why a vehicle is so important. Agree to disagree,
totally agree.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
And also the positioning of the vehicle in the case
at bar that pickup truck is close to the scene
of the crime. That means somebody could have driven it there,
hidden it, quote unquote, and walked back to the scene
of the crime.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Try not just drive it off and burn it like
any self respecting criminal would do.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
I don't disagree with that, but I also say that,
and a million dollar plus neighborhood, I'll bet there's a
whole lot of ring security cameras facing out from all
the homes and the coul de sac that show that
pick them up truck gett in part and somebody get
out of the driver's seat.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Okay, now you just said something very telling, Judicay, you
said leave the truck and walk back. So right there,
you're saying walk back. It's got to be within walking distance.
Why would you leave the truck right there?
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Another issue. Hey, I'm sure you remember this. Like everybody
on the panel, all you League Legal is listening right now.
Tara Grinstead, Oh, my star's beautiful high school teacher just
got her master's, beloved by all of her students, just disappears.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Okay, how did that happen?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And the tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny town in South Georgia.
I remember going through her house with her mother, and
it looked like a little jewelry box. It was perfectly appointed,
beautifully decorated, all by hand, not some fancy interior designer.
But I noticed that her bed in her bedroom was askew.
(18:17):
Have you ever met one of those people? What do
you call them? Doctor Chlobe Carmichael? That everything has to
be exactly in the right place.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
What is that? Anal compulsive? What is that?
Speaker 9 (18:27):
It's an obsessive pass person and they are often considered
anal retentive as well. You just combined the terms though
I did that.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Okay, hey, you're the shrink. I'm just a trial lawyer.
That's why I have you to correct me.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
So obsessive compulsive, yes, So in a case like that,
when you see something totally out of the ordinary, here
is this obsessive compulsive perfectly every thing had to be
in place, and her bed was like pushed over, crooked
in the room. And I looked at her mother and
(19:02):
I said, why is her bed crooked? And she said,
I don't know, I've never seen it like that before.
Then I found out this Sergeant Gary Young. I found
out that Terra Grin said, also her compulsion. She's an
eat nick, She's not crazy. Extended to her car. Have
(19:24):
you ever met those people? Their car still smells new
after like three years, it's still perfect. She was like
that with her car. Her car, I believe it was white.
There was mud all up both sides of her car.
I'm like, WHOA, Okay, that's not right, that's not right.
The seat, the driver's seat.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Was way back. There's no way she could have even
reached the gas pedal if with a seat back that far.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
In this guy's car, Matthew Johnson, Special Ops.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Where was his seat when the vehicle.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Was located and towed? Do our evidence processing? It was
left in the same position, was founded and they haven't
adjusted it.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
A Dodge fifteen hundred pickup truck hidden in playing sight.
A Special Ops dad goes missing. Then we find out
mommy makes.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
A huge purchase. Where is the missing dad? Who are
these people? Listen?
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Matthew Johnson fifty one and Jennifer Gludhill, forty one, welcome
three children, now eleven, seven, and five. During more than
a decade of marriage. The family settles in Cottonwood Heights,
a suburb of Salt Lake City, living in a home
worth nearly a million dollars. Matthew Johnson is still active military,
serving as a National Guardsman. In the special optionit, Johnson
takes a brief leave of absence while the children return
(20:47):
to school.
Speaker 10 (20:48):
Cottonwood Heights PDE search for Matthew Johnson, aware of the
fact that the couple is in the midst of a
contentious divorce. Jennifer Gledhill initiated the split in July, with
proceedings set to be finalized by the end of October.
Gledhill says she is afraid of Johnson, claiming Johnson has
been violent with her in the past.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Really so, she claims he's been violent toward her in
the past, but that is not what a judge said listen.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
Seven weeks after Jennifer Gledhill files for divorce, Gledhill files
for a protective order against Matthew Johnson. A temporary order
is granted, but Gledhill must prove abuse at the hands
of her husband for anything more permanent. After reviewing text
messages and footage Gledhill taped of several altercations, a judge
dismisses the order. The judge says the evidence shows Gledhill
(21:35):
is equally confrontational and belittling and demeaning to her husband.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Okay, let's go to a lawyer that has handled plenty
of similar disputes, Raymond Judice.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
What does all of that mean? That is in civil
court not my arena. But I know this.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
She goes for a tro temporary restraining order and the
judge won't do it. He will extend that he says,
the evidence shows that she is confrontational, not him, Nancy.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
The standard procedure is that when someone who feels they
were abused goes to the courthouse, in a civil court
clerk's office, they apply for a temporary protective order, temporary
restraining order, same thing that is automatically granted right then
and there with an emergency hearing set in front of
a judge as quickly as possible, generally within a few days.
(22:29):
That is the hearing that we're referencing, where the judge
took evidence from both sides, allegedly reviewed text messages and
some videotape and testimony, and that judge found that there
wasn't enough evidence to grant a permanent protective order restraining order,
and he dismissed the temporary restraining protective order against.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Matthew Johnson as you to say, you have you ever
been in court and the lawyer for the other side
introduces something and you're sitting there going, oh, must that
helps me?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
And it totally backfires.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
And that is why you better practice every in court demonstration,
have every prop have every poster or every piece of evidence.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I mean, do I have to say it doesn't fit?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Oh, dear Lord in heaven talking about the Simpson glove. Okay,
he put it over two singers and went, Okay, it
won't fit. And what were they gonna do? Chris Darden
wrestle him in court and make it go down over
his hand. That said, never ever play anything or bring
in evidence that you haven't tested yourself. Because when this wife,
(23:40):
Jennifer Gludheel, brings in the video to show the judge
why she should get the house and the money and
the children in this tro like kick him out of
the house, he goes, Lady.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
That doesn't really help you.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Listen to this video and text messages are gathered as
proof Gledhill's fight for a permanent order. One video shows
Johnson cleaning up glass from a broken family photo his demeanor.
Calm Court Commissioner Russell Minus denied the permanent order, determining
there was no abuse. He describes the couple's relationship as
(24:16):
highly dysfunctional, adding both parties were equally confrontational and that
Gluhill did not exhibit any fear of Johnson. The commissioner
said the request for a restraining order appears to be
a litigation tactic in the pending divorce.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Matthew Johnson has been missing five days when Kinwood Heights
p D gets a call from a friend of Jennifer Gludhill's.
The friend claims Gluhill called before reporting Matthew missing, giving
a very different version of events.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
A very different version of events. What she changes her story? Oh, yes,
she changes the story. And based on that very different
version of events, the dominoes start falling, yacking, talking, gossiping.
(25:04):
Why did she call her friend and give a different
version of events?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
What happens next? Listen?
Speaker 8 (25:11):
Cottenwood Heights PD execute a search for in at the
couple's home. Cops confirm the suspicion that glad Hill replace
the mattress in their master bedroom, the new one arriving
three days after her husband's disappearance.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Uh oh, your husband goes missing a new order a
new mattress.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Doctor Chloe Carmichael.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I find that very unusual at a time when you
need to be scouring the whole county trying to find
your husband, pouring over her credit cards in ATM transactions
to try to find him. She goes, Wow, I've got
a lumpy mattress. That doesn't make sense, doctor Chloe.
Speaker 9 (25:46):
No, I would agree, Nancy. And moreover, if they had
a pending divorce, then you know, people are usually thinking
more about trying to kind of get rid of things that,
you know, buy new things when there's likely going to
be a move happening. Also, it sounds like maybe what
psychologists call impression management, when a person you know goes
(26:07):
out of their way to try to frame the other
persons as a victim, or rather frame the other person
as the aggressor and frame themselves as the victim. So,
you know, she's producing these videos and whatnot, but they
don't actually show anything incriminating and there's a lack of
any real evidence on her part of you know, injuries
(26:27):
or bruising or anything like that. I also find it
unusual that she would not tell the police proactively if
there had been some sort of a conflict, you know,
if she was calling to make a second report about
a conflict, why would she not have just told them
everything she knew to say, Look, we had a fight,
maybe he ran away, Please go try to find him.
(26:50):
So the fact that she's withholding information and then changing
her story and then possibly making you know, private statements
to somebody else, she's not appearing like a consistent witness here.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Sergeant Gary Young joining US Cottonwood Heights PD. Sergeant Young,
I remember the horrible moment, and it only lasted about
five minutes.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Max.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I was in a giant babies or us and I
turned around and I had my daughter was still standing there,
but my son was gone. He was only two and
a half three. I picked her up like football and
started running, screaming bloody murder to lock the front doors
(27:34):
and the back doors because my son was missing. I
didn't think about ordering an ee mattress in that moment.
I didn't gather my things that I had already put
in the cart for them and casually stroll up front
and start check out. Doctor Chloe was really calm in
her answer, But I find that crazy odd that she,
(27:56):
while her husband is missing, orders a knee mattress.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
That doesn't bother.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
You, No, that bothered me because been married for thirty years.
And if we make a purchase like a mattress, that's
a husband and wife decision, and that may take a
couple of days or visits because you're going to be
a couple of thousand dollars in mattress. So that would
that's not a normal every day or spur of the moment,
you know, President's Day mattress.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
I would think that they had have spoken about, or
it wouldn't take place during a crisis such as your
missing husband.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
When you and your coworkers execute a search warrant, Sergeant
Gary Young, what if anything do you find in the home.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
Ideally we're going to find, you know, physical even for
executing a warrant, we would like to have any evidence
of the crime, hopefully blood or other bodily fluids. That
would be the ideal situation that we would be able
to find.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
That. Isn't it true that blood was found on the
slats beneath the knee mattress and a large bloodstain on
the carpet bold the bed the room looked as if
it had been meticulously clean, including bleaching the walls and
trying to remove the stain out of the carpet.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Toby Wilson joining.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Me, Forensic biologists, bloodstain pattern analyst at No Slow Forensics Consultation.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Help me, Toby explain what we're saying.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Well, when there's signs of a cleanup, which is the
bleach and the cleaners, it should peak curiosity, especially in
a bedroom. A bedroom, you know there's so many things
in there that will retain evidence. The mattress is nothing
more than a big sponge, so cleaning in that is
virtually impossible. In my opinion, I've never seen anyone successfully
(29:59):
clean a mattress be because you may get it most
of it off the surface, but there's going to be
plenty inside. And then if there's enough blood, sufficient blood
that it bleeds through the mattress and ends up down
on the slats supporting it and the carpet underneath. Again,
you're working trying to clean away something that's very porous.
So the slats usually are wood. They're going to absorb
(30:21):
the blood, so it's going to be difficult to get
it out of the wood. But the carpet is the
bigger factor. I've found in many of the cases where
I've gone looking for a cleanup, carpeting is where we
find it because they may clean the surface so that
you can't see the blood, but there's this pad under
the carpet that actually a sponge also, and you can
just peel the carpet back and find blood frequently weeks
(30:45):
if there's a large volume, weeks after the event that's
still wet. So there's many places in this setting that
would be potentially harboring blood cleanup. The other thing is
is that when people clean up crime scenes, they're not
blood experts, and they clean up what they visually see.
They miss the small stuff. So when I go into
(31:05):
process a crime scene and look for blood, I'm using
whatever methodology, usually visual to lead me to the areas
they've missed. So there's a lot of things here that
would have applied. And the replacement of the mattress would
be a key piece of interest, because you know, knowing
that you're not going to get the blood out of
that mattress, you know if you've got to replace it.
(31:28):
It's just especially with the volumes of blood you're talking
about here. If there was enough blood to bleed through
and get to the areas under the mattress, that mattress
had to be very saturated.
Speaker 10 (31:39):
Gledhill's friend recounts to police what Gledhill openly admitted the
evening before reporting her husband missing. Gledhill shot Johnson in
the head while he slept, then buried his body in
a shallow grave. Gledhill revealed the approximate location of the grave,
telling her friend she's trying to determine next steps.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Next steps? Is that what it's called?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Okay, so, Ray, how does her gossiping to her friend
fit into your scenario? Why does she have to call
the friend and tell the whole thing and now she's
trying to figure out next steps?
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Well, that certainly shows after death behavior. But what the
defensive battered women's syndrome is is everything that leads up
to the homicide is a homicide. But why why is
there enough evidence of abuse sufficient that a judge and
jury would say we understand what she did her behavior
(32:29):
after that?
Speaker 6 (32:30):
Okay, that's a different argument.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
I don't think it's helpful, Don't get me wrong. You
would rather not have as a defense lawyer, that kind
of a text message and that friend who's going to
testify for the state obviously come into evidence. But you've
got to come up with a defense unless you argue
it was a third party, a burglar, somebody else or
a lover. And I don't see anything right now that
would support that as your primary defense.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Okay, So bottom line, you got to go somewhere. What
are you going to do.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
You've managed to get your her husband's blood all over
the slats under the bed.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
You're basically busted, unless.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
You want to blame it on the five year old
for trying to do a cleanup of the carpet. You
heard what Toby Wilson said. When they go under that carpet,
the lord.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Only knows what they're going to find under there.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
But this is not the first time we would see
a wife meticulously.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Planning I murder.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Does the name Corey Richins ring a bell also known
as Moscow mule mom?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Listen?
Speaker 11 (33:32):
Police find Eric Richins dead on his bedroom floor. According
to court documents, Richins and his wife, Corey were celebrating
a business accomplishment the night he died. Police say Corey
claimed she made him Eric a Moscow mule, which he
drank in the bedroom. They say Corey told authorities that
she left to help one of their children and returned
(33:54):
to the bed several hours later. It was then, they say,
that she noticed Eric was cold to the touch and
called nine to one one.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And then there's Emily U, the so called draino wife.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (34:09):
Radiologist Jack Chin says he noticed a chemical taste in
his drinks, so he set up a hidden camera in
their kitchen, capturing video evidence of his wife. You you
allegedly taking draino from under the sink and pouring it
into his lemonade. On three separate instances, a doctor diagnoses
Chin with two stomach alsters, gastritis and esophagus inflammation. Hidden
(34:30):
video is enough for cops, and the forty five year
old dermatologist is placed under arrest for trying to poison
her husband.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
And what's so interesting about that case is this woman,
who as I recall, was a doctor herself.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Is caught on video. The husband gets.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Suspicious when his stomach becomes inflamed, and he posts video
cams all around the kitchen and the home. You see
her on video going over to the kitchen cabinet and
reaching in. He wisely set up a camera inside the
kitchen cabin and you see your hand reach in and
get the draino and pull it out, and then she
(35:08):
doctors his morning drink. Okay, Doctor Chloe Carmichael, joining us
clinical psychologist, explain what's happening in these scenarios.
Speaker 9 (35:17):
Yeah, Well, especially with our current situation, I look at
what psychologists call grandiosity. So you would ask how it
could be that she could think that she could just
literally clean this up, you know, out of the carpet,
and if it is true that indeed she took it
into her own hands to just murder her husband, right there,
(35:37):
we have an element of grandiosity. And once you've done
an act like that, or even are preparing to do
an act like that, more than likely, unless you're a
total psychopath, you would have what psychologists call hot cognition,
So you know, your your mind is kind of supercharged,
and maybe you're not even thinking super clearly, and so
(35:58):
that might be why you know, she could to do
something like that without really thinking it through. But again
I'm looking at the grandiosity possibility, the idea that she
would think that she could just you know, make these
videos and paint him a certain way and paint herself
a certain way and then maybe potentially go murder him
and confide in a friend and think it would never
(36:20):
come back upon her. There's a real egoism there, if
all of that is true.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
You know, Jennifer Scotski joining me, investigative reporter, Jennifer, I'm
always amazed that killers will speak to their compadres, their cohorts,
not even co defendants, and expect them to keep quiet.
That's always been so bizarre to me that you murder someone,
(36:46):
in this case, murdering him in his sleep, so that's
not self defense, telling friends about it, expecting them to
be in on your secret.
Speaker 9 (36:57):
Yes, Nancy, it's definitely a case of would be a
great example of grandiosity that she could do something like
murder and then can find in a friend and as
you said, expect that the friend would just obey her instructions,
you know, to keep this, you know, murder confession quiet. Essentially,
that would definitely speak to a grandiosity or kind of
(37:18):
a fuzzy connection with reality and social norms and what
she could expect from people.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
What about it, dinnerfer Skouski.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Now just to me, just looking at all of this,
who it sounds like your classic dumb killer. I mean,
it seems that she just didn't think at all. I mean,
who buys a new mattress after who goes to their
friend and says I did this? Or confidential informant as
they're calling this person?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Who does that?
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Nobody with a sane, normal mind is ever going to
think they're going to get away with the way that
miss Jennifer has has tried to do thus far.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
And of course I want you to take a look
at the classic black widow. Dahlia Dippolito offers a hitman
seven thousand dollars to kill her husband. She sets up
an alibi for herself in their early morning hours, where
she says she's going to the gym. The hitman would
go in the home and kill her husband unbeknownst to her,
(38:23):
of course, she has done a deal with an undercover
surveillance officer. This is her when Ellie law enforcement come
to tell her her.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Husband is dead. Little do they does she know this
is all part.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Of a sting. So watch Dahlia Dippolito, watch out, Meryl Street,
She's coming for you.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Is your husband?
Speaker 7 (38:47):
Michael Okay, I'm sorry to tell you man, he's been killed.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
He's been killed.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Right now we need to get we need.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I can't look and then we have to do our job.
Speaker 7 (39:06):
If you want the finest pillera we need you to
calm do need you to go with theives?
Speaker 8 (39:12):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Sergeant Gary Young joining us from Cottonwood p D. Where
is the search? Where did she allegedly stay? She buried
her husband?
Speaker 7 (39:23):
Are still looking for the deceased and we weren't given
a specific location. We have put out about twenty five
warrants now for cell phones, computer history those we're still
following up on all our leads trying to get the
best known location. I mean, be a needle in a
haystack to just randomly go drive around and look for
(39:45):
a place. But we're still trying to narrow that down
and uh, several leads we've looked into that haven't been
very fruitful, and so we're still exploding that electronic information
trying to gain a better location on where we should
you know, focus our.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Search and where is Jennifer Gledhill? Now listen.
Speaker 10 (40:01):
Jennifer Gledhill is arrested outside her home nine days into
the search for Matthew Johnson on suspicion of murder and
tampering with evidence. The couple's three children have been placed
in the care of a relative. As Gledhill has been
denied bail. Gledhill will remain in the Salt Lake County
Jail due to fears she will further tamper with evidence
or flee based on the comments she made to her friend.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
If you know or think you know anything regarding the
disappearance of this husband and father, Special Ops Hubby Matthew Johnson,
please dial eight zero one eight four zero four thousand,
repeat eight zero one eight four zero four thousand. Nancy
(40:45):
Gray signing off, goodbye friend,
Host
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