July 17, 2025 • 42 mins
Since December 2013, no one has seen or heard from a beautiful 20-year-old daughter, Heather Rachelle Elvis, she seems to vanish without a trace from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Her car is found abandoned at a remote boat landing, sparking fear and speculation among the community. As her family searches for answers and the investigation unfolds, a troubling rumor of a love triangle with a married man is uncovered. And the possibility the wife is aware and allegedly jealous.
Heather goes on a first date with an old acquaintance from high school on the evening of December 17th, 2013. During the date, Heather communicates with her father, Terry Elvis, showing off her driving skills by driving her date’s stick shift car, unfortunately, that is the last time Terry hears from his daughter. Later, during the early morning hours, Heather returns to her Myrtle Beach, SC apartment and briefly speaks to her best friend on the phone. Heather’s friends and loved ones have not seen or heard from her since.
The following evening, on December 19th, Heather’s car is found parked at Peachtree Landing on the Waccamaw River. The car was abandoned, and Heather’s family and friends were unable to reach Heather after it was discovered. As a result, Heather was reported missing, and her family and friends are still looking for answers.
Joining Nancy Grace today,
- Debbi Elvis - Mother of Heather Elvis and Morgan Elvis, Sister of Heather Elvis
- Dr. Chloe Carmichael - Clinical Psychologist, Author: ‘Nervous Energy: Harness The Power of Your Anxiety”, Twitter: @DrChloe, drchloe.com
- Nancy Livesay - Horry County Prosecutor, Lead prosecutor in the Heather Elvis case
- Jimmy Richardson - Horry County Solicitor, oversaw the Heather Elvis case
- Peter Cestare- Former Lieutenant Horry County Police Department, Worked the Heather Elvis case
- Michael Bayer- Director and Producer VANISHED, The Heather Elvis Case. Founder of True Case Films, Docuseries: VANISHED: The Heather Elvis Case, website: vanishedfilm.com and truecasefilms.com, Facebook and Instagram: @TrueCaseFilms
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Where is Heather?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
An unwitting sex affair with a married man unbeknownst to her.
Now the restaurant hostess's phone has been turned off. Last
active three a m. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Heather Elvis is a young, hardworking twenty year old girl
from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. She has moved out of
her parents' home and into her own apartment with her
best friend and roommate, Brianna. The two girls work as
waitresses at a local restaurant, and while there, Heather meets
Sidney Moore, an older welder by trade, and the two
soon grow feelings for each other. Kicks starting in a
(00:45):
troubled affair.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Troubled is certainly one way of putting it tonight. Where
is Heather? Why is her phone cut off? And then
last active at.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Three a m. In the morning.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Listen now a personal cell phone are missing along with
her everything else looks to be where it's supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
On December nineteenth, a green Dodge Intreppet is found parked
the wrong way at the Peachtree Landing Boat Launch and
so Cassidy. The vehicle is locked and running the license
plate of the car. The registration comes back to Terry Elvis,
Heather's father. Police contact Elvis and he comes to the
boat landing with spare keys to unlock the car with
the cars eight miles from Heather Elvis's apartment, and once
(01:31):
her father unlocks the car, police find Heather's keys, phone,
and purse, all missing. Calls to her phone go unanswered.
Heather is not at her apartment and doesn't show up
at her job.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
In that sound from our friends at HLN, you here
Heather's dad, Terry Elvis, stating that her purse, her cell
phone missing with her everything else appears to be in order.
Joining me an all star pan ultimate sense of what
we're learning tonight. First, I want to go out to
(02:03):
some very very special guests. This is Heather's mother and sister,
Debbie and Morgan Elvis. Thank you for being with us.
Straight out to Debbie Elvis, this is Heather's mom. I
cannot imagine what you're going through. You put all your time,
your energy, your love, your money, two hundred percent blood,
(02:28):
sweat and tears.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You pour it into your children and then to have
your beautiful daughter just disappear like that.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Never a hint of trouble ever from Heather Elvis. She
wasn't some juvenile delinquent that made all fs and would
stand out on the corner.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Smoking and vaping.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That wasn't Heather, not at all, beautiful, bright, hard.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Working, industrious.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
When did you learn that she was seemingly missing with
her cell phone and purse gone?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
When did you learn that?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
We didn't really learn she was missing until we found
out about her car. An officer stopped by the house
and said that there was a car part to Peachtree
Boat Landing that was ours, and I realized it was
Heather's car he was talking about, and my husband rode
with him down to the landing to see why it
(03:22):
was left there. We thought maybe she was on the
boat with somebody. But the fact that she wouldn't answer
her phone, which never happens. She always has her phone
on in handy she always answered that was a worrisome issue.
But it took us calling everybody to realize there was
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something very wrong.
Speaker 7 (03:46):
But her not answering her phone.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Was a big clue that something was very wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We are showing you shots not only of Heather but
of her green dodge and trap and found parked abandoned,
interesting perpend to the parking spaces at Peachtree Landing Boat Launch,
completely unlike her. Look at the way she kept her
vehicle in perfect pristine condition.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know, car nuts.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
My daughter is the same way, missus Elvis. Her car
is spotless, unlike everybody else in our family. She won't
let the dog get in it, she won't let the
cat get in it. She won't let me in it
with my hot tea.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
No way.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And I find it very curious, very curious. Let me
go out to Nancy Livesay, Hoary County prosecutor, intimately familiar
with the investigation.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
In this case. Nancy, I know that may not mean.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
A lot to other people, but to me, that's very,
very probative. And it reminds me of a case you
and I are familiar with of Tara Grinstead, a gorgeous
young a teacher, high school teacher. She's a beauty queen
that goes missing suddenly out of South Georgia.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And the search went on and on and on.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And when I met with her mother, we walked through
her home and Nancy, her home was in perfect condition
like it had just been professionally.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Clean, and I found out she was a neat nick.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Like Heather and her car right and I noticed that
the lamp was askew in her bedroom, like the shade
was messed up, and I thought she would not have
walked out with that, because it's.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Even bothering me.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Then I looked at her car, Nancy, the car, which
she kept like Heather did, perfectly pristine, was covered in
mud on the outside and the front seat. She was
a petite young lady, the seat was reared all the
way back for a really tall person to dry. And
I knew right then that Tara Grinstead was long gone.
(05:55):
Now would it mean anything to a jury, I don't know,
but it meant something to me. Heather was a neat
nick about her car. Why would she leave it parked
perpendicular to the other spots and abandoned.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
She would never do that.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
No, absolutely, And I think two. What speaks to me
and spoke to the police department was I think this
meant that clearly someone picked her up that she was
comfortable with. This was not a struggle, This was not
a stranger abduction, but this was a situation where she
got out of the car, and she knew the individual
(06:30):
that she was going to meet.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
She had her phone, her purchasing Nancy Live say, if
she had not known the individual, how would you expect
the scene to look differently? Because now I'm thinking back
to a morning anchor Jodhus and Trut who didn't show
up for her show first thing in the morning. Her
(06:52):
car was sitting out in the parking lot much like Heather's,
except a shoe, one of her high heeled shoe and
some hairsprung was lying in the parking lot near her car,
which to me indicated that fell out of her pocketbook
and she lost her She would have struggled.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
But you're saying just the way that this is amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Nancy Laife say, hey, you know, Jimmy Richardson, you got
to keep her right there.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I hope you know that.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
What would you have expected at the scene if there
had been a struggle.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
Something similar to what you just discussed, a missing shoe,
jumped and fallen out of her pocketbook, maybe even the phone.
Maybe the person got the phone from her and she
lost control of the phone. But clearly the fact that
the doors were locked, the windows were up, she had
her phone she had her keys, she had her pocketbook.
(07:41):
There was no sign of a struggle at all.
Speaker 8 (07:44):
Interesting jump in there was a trailer park right beside
Peachtree Landing, and the police comb that trailer park or
anyone that would have heard the sign of a struggle, gunshot, argument,
anything like that. And it was within fifty yards of
where Heather's car was parked in the middle of the
(08:05):
night with very little sound. Nobody heard anything, so it
had to be a very quiet abduction.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Man, I am looking at shots of Heather right now.
Morgan Elvis is Heather's sister. Extremely close. I guess the
closest person in the world to me, other than my
twins and my husband, would be my sister, my sister
that I grew up with. Morgan, When did you learn
(08:33):
that Heather was missing? I'm going to get to the affair,
her unwitting affair with a married man.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
What is it with married men? Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Anyway, I want to talk to you, Morgan, about when
you learned Heather had seemingly just disappeared into thin air.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
I was at the basketball game and I'm just done this.
I know it sounds weird and eveling that something was wrong,
I'd felt kind of off, and so I was sat
at this basketball game, was kind of relaying and turned
around and at the top of the bleachers my mother
was looking back at me, and she had a face
I had never seen her there before, and I knew
immediately something was terribly, terribly wrong. So she came down.
(09:14):
She had tears in her eyes, and she said, we
have to go out, We have to leave now. And
I didn't really know what was going on at that point,
but I knew, you know, this is something very dramatic,
this is something life altering. We got in the car
and it was silent on the way home, and when
I got there, it felt like everything happened so quickly
and in slow motion. At the same time, I learned
(09:37):
through hearing the conversations and kind of watching what was
going on. My dad was in a panic and a
frenzy on the phone, calling everyone he knew. My mom
was trying to tell me what was going on, but
wasn't really making any sense. It was a whirl end,
and honestly, I've blocked out a lot of the details
of that night. I remember more how I felt and
(09:59):
less about the actual words that were said.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I want to go to doctor Chloe Carmichael with US
renownedd psychologist, author of Nervous Energy, How Harnessed the Power
of your anxiety?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Doctor Chloe did did you hear what she was saying?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
She remembers the moment and I'm projecting again when I
learned something had happened to my fiance, I didn't know
at the moment he had been murdered. I remember exactly
where I was, what happened, the exact words that were said.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But then.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Time before that, months, time after that, months and months
bordering on years are a blur. What is that phenomenon
that the sister Morgan has lost chunks of memory around
that she can remember feelings, but not exactly what happened.
Speaker 10 (10:52):
Sure, Nancy, we call that a flash bulb memory, where
you have that moment in time and you remember it very,
very clearly, and oftentimes it is normal to not really
remember everything else so well after that point, because all
of a sudden, that's a moment where your mind was
given something really big and difficult to process, and so
(11:15):
after that point things can get a little bit blurry
as well as the time before, because the flashbulb moment
is such a disorientating moment.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
You know, I'm looking at shots of Heather right now
and I believe that this is the outfit she was
wearing where she worked, the Tilted Kilt, a restaurant. Joining me,
Peter Sister, former lieutenant at Horry County PD who worked
on Heather's disappearance. Peter, it's great to have you along
(11:46):
with Nancy and Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 11 (11:49):
Peter.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I want to focus on what jumped out at you
at the scene where her.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
In shrepid was found, but also at first look at
the out fit that she wore.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's not exactly a Hooter's outfit, but it's a revealing outfit.
And that's what all the waitresses wore at the Tilted Kilt,
and that would make me concerned as an investigator on
the case, but makes me concerned right now that that
really opens up your pool of suspect. Every weirdo that
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came into the Tilted Kilt and would stare or ogle
the waitresses suddenly becomes a suspect. Let's see that that
outfit that she had to wear at Tilted Kilt.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, that go ahead, Peter.
Speaker 12 (12:37):
Outfits like that are are common in restaurants like Hooters
and Tilted Kilt. They're revealing yet not you know, too revealing,
And it's to draw attention, you know, with the customers
obviously Hooters and Tilted Kilt, you know, target and mail customers,
(13:02):
you know, and entice them with how you know, pretty
the girls look. So yeah, that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You're looking at shots of Heather Elvis. Where is Heather?
All we know right now is her car is found
parked perpendicular to all the other spots, and she's gone
with her cell phone and her pocketbook. But she's not
answering the cell phone. This is just a nineteen year.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Old girl who has been lured.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Into a sex affair with a much older and secretly
married man with three children.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Wow, what could go wrong? The search is on for Heather. Listen.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Corey County Police begin a missing person investigation. The area
around where her car is found in the boat landing
is searched by investigators, and the river bed is searched
by a team of rescue divers from Coastal Carolina University.
Searching physically around the area of the car is fruitless,
but using digital information from herself, number investigators begin to
build a timeline. Myrtle Beach, South Carolina is known as
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a vacation destination for spring breakers and families alike, but
it's also a wonderful area to raise a family. Heather
Elvis is the oldest of Terry and Debbie Elvis's children,
and at twenty years old, she's moved out of the
family home and is living in an apartment with her
best friend and roommate, Brie Worrelman. Worrelman and Elvis work
together at the Tilted Kilt restaurant.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You know, at a.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Lot of colleges and universities, they only have room for
people to live in the dorms, say the first year
or the first two years, and then the students are
expected to go to off campus housing. At nineteen years old,
Heather had just moved in with her best friend, her roommate, Brianna,
and then here comes trouble.
Speaker 13 (14:45):
Listen Well, working as a hostess at the Tilted Kilt,
Heather Elvis meets Sidney Moore, a welder by trade. Moore
has a company called Palmetto Maintenance that handles service of
restaurant equipment. Heather Elvis has an immediate attraction to Moore,
even though he is nearly twice her age.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
She was happy. I mean she she had a crush
or you know, an affinity for him, and it was mutual.
They both, you know, courted each other. And I bet
it was mutual.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
An old man like him hitting on a team girl.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
What about those three children at home? That was smart?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Friends at WPDE ABC fifteen Straight out to Michael Baher, director,
producer of Vanished the Heather Elvis Case and founder of
True Case Films. He also created a docuseries, Vanished the
Heather Elvis Case. Michael Bayer, from all I have learned,
(15:41):
this nineteen year old girl did not know at the
beginning that her love object was married with three children.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
That's correct, Nancy.
Speaker 14 (15:50):
In the beginning, in the first few dates, she had
no idea that he was a married man.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
But isn't it true, Michael, And I've learned this from
you and your incredible popodcast and docuseries Vanish the Heather
Elvis Case. That he, however, was going around bragging about
his dating a much younger woman, Heather, and was telling
people that he and his wife had an open marriage.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Is that true?
Speaker 14 (16:19):
That's correct? So he was open about the relationship at
the Tilted Kill he worked there along with Heather, so
he was also telling people, Look, you know my wife
knows about this. You know she has her own relationships too,
So this isn't something that you know, is unnormal or
anything like that. We have an open relationship, is what
he was telling everybody around there.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Okay, hold it right there, Michael Bayer.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I've got a much older guy dating a teen girl
who doesn't know that he is married with three children,
and he's bragging about having an open marriage. I've made
it very clear, Jimmy Richardson, Horry County Solicitor, with my husband,
open marriage, open casket. I think he understands it really well.
(17:08):
Jimmy Richardson. Now it's my understanding, and I'm learning a
lot of this from you, and a lot of this
from Michael Bhaer and his podcast and documentary that the
older man had had many other sex affairs, but the
wife never cared until Heather Elvis came along.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Why.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
I think Heather was beautiful and very young, and I
think that his wife really when she found out about Heather,
she was not nearly These other girls had never been
that beautiful or young, and I don't think she was
threatened by them, not to the extent that she was
(17:50):
by Heather. I think that Sydney had actually fallen for
Heather in some sort of way where maybe the other
ones it was just a true.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Well, as you heard Michael Bhaer say earlier, he worked
at Tilted Kill, not on the payroll, but he would
do maintenance there. And I can just see this old
perv walking around staring at Heather Elvis while he's got
three children at home.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Anyway, the wife does find out.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Listen, Heather Elvis and Sidney Moore are not secretive about
their affair. Heather doesn't know Moore is married, but in
a matter of week, Sidney Moore's wife, Tammy, finds out
and confronts Heather. Tammy Moore begins making calls to Heather's phone,
sending text messages, and even sends pictures of her and
Sidney having sex. Tammy isn't just terrorizing Heather Elvis. Friends
of the couple say Tammy was always in charge of
(18:41):
her relationship with Sidney, and now she forces Sidney to
get a tattoo of her name above his crotch.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Okay, hold on, you know, I'm sure I need a
shrink on this, but you know, it just seems to
me Nancy Life say here Horry County prosecutor intimately familiar
with this case, that if you have to force your
husband to get your name tattooed right above his crotch,
(19:10):
you should probably just break up.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
If it's come to that. It's like branding him.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
If you can't trust him as far as you can
throw him, just get rid of him, start over with
somebody new, consider it a starter marriage, and get the
real one for Pete's sake.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
I couldn't agree more. And it wasn't just the tattoo
that she had taken his phone. We had information where
she was handcuffing him to the bed instead of letting
him go. Tammy took the opposite route and double down
on Sydney and her control of Sydney.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I've got a question. Is he.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
The married man? You all refer to him by his
first name. I guess you're all on a first name
basis with him. I'm not Sidney Moore wife Tammy Moore.
Is he younger than Tammy Moore? Does anybody know that.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
He is younger but just spent maybe two or three
years it's been a huge age gap, but he is
a little younger than.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
No, it's not Nancy live say, but doctor Chloe Carmichael.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It could be one year, it could be six months.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
That goes into her mentality the wife, the freaky, jealous,
tattoo loving wife, the branding wife, because in her mind,
I guarantee you, Oh, I got a younger man, I'm
going to have a hard time holding on to him.
My question is why would you want to? I mean,
you've already raised children. Why raise a man for Pete's sake?
(20:40):
But that said, I think this played into her paranoia,
Doctor Chloe.
Speaker 10 (20:44):
Well, Nancy, I totally agree with you. I mean, obviously
the sensible thing to do would be to just move on.
But my guess is it could be a variety of things.
But she might have felt like that would be admitting defeat.
You know, sometimes there can be just a really fierce
sense of competition, and instead of leaving, because that would
feel like, you know, kind of going away with your
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tail between your leg, the wife might feel like she
has to kind of come back and reclaim him.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Crime Stories with.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Nancy Grace, Heather Elvis, Room Made and best Friends says
Tammy Moore harasses the much younger Heather by calling her
for hours on end. Tammy even calls Heather using Sydney's
phone and forces Sydney to tell Heather she meant nothing
to him, she was just a booty call, and other
horrible things that leave Heather Elvis in a state of shock.
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It takes time, but the calls in tech slow down
and eventually stop, and Heather begins looking forward to the
future again too.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Debbie and Morgan Elvis, this is these are Heather's mom
and sister. Did she ever reveal to you, Debbie, all
of the harassing phone calls from the.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Tammy Moore?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Did she ever state that she was concerned about it
and that they wouldn't stop.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
They were all hours of the day or night.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
She mentioned some phone calls when she got sent home
from work. There was a problem at work where she
was being harassed and police recalled.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
She was sent home.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
She was Heather does not like to miss work.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
And she was very upset about being sent home and
missing work. So she came to the house and was
telling me. She read me this whole conversation on the phone,
and the last of it she responded with the period,
and she said, because that's what I think about that,
and was telling me that this girl was obsessed with her,
(22:44):
that it was an ex of somebody that she had
been dating, that she was no longer dating, and that's
all I knew. I didn't know about married mann. I
didn't know about all of the phone calls and texts
and pictures, so she was I didn't know any of
that until Again.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
She probably didn't want you to know what had happened
in her life. And I'd like to point out that
the reason she came home from work that day is
that some of the other waitresses were making fun of
her about Tammy Moore constantly calling her and texting her,
and they were making light of it, and it was
(23:25):
just too much for this little teen girl to take.
But we know, Michael Bayer that as time went on,
weeks went by, months went by, the call subsided and
she began dating another guy more her age, right.
Speaker 14 (23:40):
That's correct. She ended up meeting a guy named Steven Schiraldi.
I think it was over Instagram. They went to the
same high school, but I don't think they knew each
other in high school. So someone that she met over
social media and then she agreed to go on a
date with.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Him, and I was looking at their day.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
They were driving around looking at Christmas lights, and he
was teaching her to drive a stick shift. I know
that because she took a selfie of herself trying to
learn to drive a stick shift, and he brings her
home that night.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Steven Schiraldi drops Heather Elvis off at her apartment around
one fifteen am December eighteenth. Heather's best friend and room mate,
Breed Warrelman, is visiting family out of state when Heather
calls her at one forty four am. Breed thinks Heather
is calling to tell her about her date. Instead, Heather
Elvis is hysterical. She tells Warrelman Sidney Moore called telling
her he's leaving his wife and wants her to meet
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up with him. Warrelman tells Elvis not to meet with
him right now, just sleep on it. The call lasts
for two minutes.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
So Nancy live say, let me understand Sidney Moore and
his crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Wife, Tammy Moore. And I mean that in a liy sense,
not the legal sense. She's not insane.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
After a period of quiet, suddenly he the married ex
of three children, calls her in the middle of the
night and says he wants to get back together and
to come meet him.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That right, that's right.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
And we figured out later that that phone call was
made from a payphone, so Sydney had gone. Sidney Moore
had gone to a payphone around one thirty in the
morning and placed this call to Heather Elvis. The phone
call was about four minutes and you see from the
phone call that she immediately calls the roommate and relays
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everything said on the phone call.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And that phone call is where everything goes sideways.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Listen, we know that.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
The cell phone was last used three forty one Wednesday
morning am.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
That's being a confer Investigators find that a phone call
was placed to Heather at one thirty five am from
a payphone. According to what roommate brewel police, this might
have been a call from Sidney Moore. Heather cell phone
receives another call from a payphone at two thirty am,
no one answers. At three thirty seven am, Heather's phone
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moves from Peacetree Landing. Shortly after three thirty seven am,
multiple calls are made to Sidney Moore's phone, but go unanswered.
At six am, all activity on Heather's phone stops.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's our friends at hl N. But then we have
to look at the digital phone records. What do we
learn to Peter Sister, former Lieutenant Horry County PD, who
worked this case. What did the digital the cell phone
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evidence show you? And who uses a payphone?
Speaker 11 (26:35):
For Pete's sake, he had used a payphone to contact
her at about one point thirty in the morning, but
the digital signal from her phone, we're able to track
her phone after that point where she travels.
Speaker 12 (26:51):
Back home to her apartment and then travels further north
in the Myrtle Beach area. I'm assuming looking to meet
up with him. She then turns around, comes back towards
her apartment stocks there momentarily before her phone tracks from
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her apartment straight down to the Peachtree Landing.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
After a period of doldrums where this young teen girl
hears nothing from her married ex or his crazy wife,
we think we understand now what was the tipping point?
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Listen investigators be in to build a case. Phone records
reveal activity between Heather and Sydney Moore's phones in the
early hours of December eighteenth, surveillance footage shows more purchasing
a pregnancy test at Walmart at one twelve am, and
Moore is also captured on surveillance making a call from
a payphone to Heather's cell phone at one thirty five am.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Oh my stars to Nancy live say joining us Hory
County Prosecutor Nancy. So the all married man gets the
teen girl pregnant? Is that who? The pregnancy test is
four and the wife is in there or the husband
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is in there buying a pregnancy test, and then we
see him at a payphone calling her.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
That's correct, and that's what the evidence shows, is that
there had been some changes in Heather Elvis's body prior
to this phone call, and in fact such a significant
change she required a new uniform at Tilted Killed. There
had been phone calls from.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Call on just to moment.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Jimmy Richardson, Nancy Livesay is being extremely delicate.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Richardson, Horry County Solicitor. What do you mean? Why did
she have to get a new uniform? Richardson?
Speaker 8 (28:48):
She had gone from like a be cup to a
D cup almost over night. Her breast had grown. She
had had to change uniforms and go up like two sizes,
and she was apparently talking to other workers that she
felt like she was pregnant. Plus they were putting two
and two together. That is why we believe that fifteen
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minutes before being caught on the payphone, which was caught
by camera, he was caught by another camera at Walmart
buying a cigar and a pregnancy test. So he immediately
went from the Walmart straight up the road. Tammy was
in the vehicle with him. They drive straight up the
road maybe half of a mile to that payphone, and
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that is the first call that Heather is heard from
Sydney Moore in.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Months Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
When was the last time you were here with them
or talk to them or anything like that. It was
earlier tonight. I don't know the exact time, but okay,
I left.
Speaker 14 (30:09):
I was probably going an hour and a half for
my mom's and I saw them about forty five minutes
before that.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I'll never forget that. We all know.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Alex Murdog now convicted of the double murders of his
wife Maggie and son Paul, gunning them down, then pretending
he wasn't at the crime scene. That's him lying to
police about being at his mom's at the time the
two were murdered. But you know what, cell phone data
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doesn't lie. Neither didn't have systems in his car. But
I love the way he broke off just for like
a split one second to have a little whimper of.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Pain, really murdog.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Same thing here to Michael Baher producer of Vanished to
Heather Elvis Cases documentary as well, what does the digital
path prove about these payphones and her phone as well?
Speaker 14 (31:06):
Well, I think the investigators were able to kind of
put together a path of where Hea there was because
after getting that payphone call, she was then her phone
pinged and she had another her cell phone call where
she went out to the Carolina Forest and that's where
she ended up speaking to Sidney Moore. And then she
actually went back to her apartment. They're able to ping
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it there, and then she finally then went to the
Peachtree Boat Landing where her phone pinged one more time
and that was the last time that it pinged.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
The Antebelle and home we're showing you is actually divided
up into apartments.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
This is her apartment.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Her phone pained there to Peter to Stare and joining
us former lieutenant and Horry County PD who worked this case.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
What did you make the digital evidence? The self evidence?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
It's powerful, The triangulation process is undeniable, and it proves
a lot. I don't care what these two say. The
digital evidence shows something very different. And again, who uses
a payphone when you've got a cell phone? You use
a payphone? Or put your phone in airplane mode or
turn it off like Brian Coburger.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Out of all the.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Time his phone was monitored, when did he turn it
off when he's leaving the quadruple murder scene?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
According to prosecutors? So what did you learn?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
What did you learn from a review of all of
this digital evidence?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Peter?
Speaker 12 (32:39):
The phone tells the entire story of what's going on. Obviously,
you can't tell whether the phone is in Heather's possession,
but that's the assumption. But the phone tracks from her
apartment up to that long Beard's Bar and grill. And
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the reason why I believe it tracked up to there
was at some point Sydney Moore had told Heather that
he was working at Longhorns, another local steakhouse. I think
she did not quite understand what he said and thought
it was Long Beards, which is closer to her home.
She then travels up there spends about fifteen minutes. The
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phone then travels back down towards her apartment, stops in
the parking lot of her apartment again before it then
begins to move again, going south from her residence to
the Peachtree Landing.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And you know what else is interesting, peters to stare,
is my understanding that Timmy and cdey Moore lived about
three miles from the landing Ptree Landing where her intrepid
her car is found part perpendicular.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Isn't that right? They live very close to that.
Speaker 12 (33:56):
That's correct, They do live very close. And the road
take you from the Mora's house to the Peachtree Landing
is all back roads, so it's not like you're coming
out onto any main highways. However, in those back roads
were some cameras that enabled us to catch glimpses of
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vehicles going by.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Oh, I'm so happy you said that.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Peter Sistaire still on the money here, former Lieutenant Hory
County PD. He knows the facts like the back of
his hands. Nancy Live say he's right, And dare I
bring up Alex Murdoch again, who arranged for himself to
be shot in the head. He lived, but he thought
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there were no cameras anywhere around when that happened. But
lo and behold on that rural road where he had
his dope dealer shoot him and then try to pretend
it was the real killer of his wife and son.
There was a security survey camera at a Baptist church
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way down the road where he turned.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
In, and he was busted on that video surveillance.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Nancy, explain to me, what is Peter Sisier talking about
that a Ford f one fifty, a dark Ford f
one fifty is passed going to the landing where her
car was found.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Who's for f one fifty? I think I know the
answer to that.
Speaker 7 (35:23):
That's right, It's going to be Sidney Moores and Tammy Moore's.
And in fact, there was one camera on eight fourteen,
which was the road they lived on, and then when
you take a right to get on Mill Pond to
go down to the landing, there was a second camera,
so you literally see them leave their house, go down
eight fourteen, they're caught on camera, and then take the
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right and go down Mill Pond and go towards Peachtree Landing,
so they were called twice clearly going to the landing.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Did a married woman, the mother of three, manipulate her
husband to help her commit murder of a teen girl,
a restaurant hostess now pregnant with her husband's baby. It
wouldn't be the first time women have manipulated their love
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object into murder. Listen when Jay asked, Okay, well, what
did you do about it?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Back then?
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Diane looked this man dead in the eyes and said,
I made him kill the girl.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Dating with high school Dianza Mora and David Graham planned
to serve in the Navy and Air Force, respectively after graduation.
They also planned to get married. When David confesses to
Diane that he had sex with another girl, Adrian Jones,
so Mara becomes hysterical and tells him the only way
she'll ever trust him again is if he kills Jones.
Graham agrees and lures Jones out of her house, drives
her to Joe Pool Lake. Once parked, Diane Zamora, quietly
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hidden in the vehicle, hits Jones in the head with
a dumbbell. Jones tries to run, but Graham gives chase,
catches her, and shoots her twice in the head, with
the whole world.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
In front of them.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Cadets at the Naval Academy and the Air Force Academy
plot murder and then murder a sixteen year old little
girl that was working at a drive through over jealousy.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Sound familiar.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
And then, of course there's the case of Potus Dulos,
who murders his wife, Jennifer Dulos, the mother of their
five children, with the help of his lover, Michelle Traconas.
There you see the video of Potus at Dulos throwing Oh,
there's Michelle Traconas rearing her ugly head, the two of
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them throwing out bloody items, shirts, bra rags, sponges, drenched
and the blood of Jennifer Dulos. What makes a woman
help a murderous man, or in the current case, what
makes a woman manipulate her husband into killing his teen lover?
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That's the question. Then, of course we've got Natalie Keepers
and David Eisenhower. She took part Natalie Keepers and the
murder and the disposal of the body of a little girl,
a thirteen year old girl.
Speaker 9 (38:17):
You're David, You're my crush, and I know you don't
think of me like that, and I don't care.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
I will always be here.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
If you're looking for a good time, I'm here. When
you had a bad day, I'm here. And I don't
want that to change. I want to be in your
life for as long as you can see.
Speaker 9 (38:31):
Any And I know I'm annoying and I asked her
too much, but I'm a girl and I have a
hard and feelings and my feelings get hurt a lot,
but it's never been.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Hurt by you, and I like that.
Speaker 15 (38:42):
The FBI figured out that Cool had regular Will you
use the app? Kick? That app allows teens to communicate
anonymously so their parents don't know. David Eisenhower lured this
little girl out of her home with promises of a
quote secretsty and murdered her in cold blood because he
was apparently afraid that the relationship was going to be
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exposed by this precious little girl. When Cool body was found,
she had fourteen stab wounds. One was to the neck,
as confirmed by a medical expander.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
A little teen girl murdered, and Natalie Keepers was right
in there helping Eisenhower do the deed.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
I guess the one that would.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Really take the cake would be killer wife Carla Homolka.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Carla Hamolka and Paul Bernardo looked like the couple poised
atop a wedding cake, but their beautiful looks hide an
ugly secret. Together, the married couple rape, torture, and kill
at least three underage girls, including Carla's little sister Tammy.
When Tammy chokes on her own vomited dies. Based on
statements from Hamoka and Bernardo, the death is ruled an
accident straight.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Out to Debbie and Morgan Elvis, the mom and sister
of Heather.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Now that we know.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
That these two gules straight from Hell's and Timmy Moore
are responsible for the disappearance of Heather, what is your
message tonight, Debbie.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
I'm hoping that all of this new publicity is going
to bring some new tips in. I'm hoping that somebody
will see this and.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Say, oh, somebody told me about this.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
So one of their family members said this, or this
is where they used to hang out or hide stuff,
any little part of information that somebody has about them,
their nature, their lifestyle that might lead us to where
Heather is. That's what I feel comes.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Next do you believe, Debbie, and this is a hard question.
Do you believe that there is any hope that Heather
is still alive? Or are you hoping to bring her
body home and bury her.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
I hope to bring her home in any way that's possible,
in any form or that's possible. And I refuse to
give a video hoope about any possible way to bring
her home or anything that might have happened or be happening.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
If you know or think you know anything about the
disappearance and what many people believe to be the murder
of this teen girl, Heather Elvis, please dial eight four
three nine one five eight four seven seven repeat eight
four three, nine one five, eight four seven seven. We
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remember American hero Deputy Sheriff Nicholas Waste, Knox County Sheriff's Illinois,
killed in the line of duty. Survived by wife turned widow, Jessica, children,
Ava and Emery. American hero Deputy Sheriff Nicholas Waste, Nancy
Gray signing off goodbye for
Speaker 12 (42:00):
Us
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Where is Heather?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
An unwitting sex affair with a married man unbeknownst to her.
Now the restaurant hostess's phone has been turned off. Last
active three a m. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Heather Elvis is a young, hardworking twenty year old girl
from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. She has moved out of
her parents' home and into her own apartment with her
best friend and roommate, Brianna. The two girls work as
waitresses at a local restaurant, and while there, Heather meets
Sidney Moore, an older welder by trade, and the two
soon grow feelings for each other. Kicks starting in a
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troubled affair.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Troubled is certainly one way of putting it tonight. Where
is Heather? Why is her phone cut off? And then
last active at.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Three a m. In the morning.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Listen now a personal cell phone are missing along with
her everything else looks to be where it's supposed to be.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
On December nineteenth, a green Dodge Intreppet is found parked
the wrong way at the Peachtree Landing Boat Launch and
so Cassidy. The vehicle is locked and running the license
plate of the car. The registration comes back to Terry Elvis,
Heather's father. Police contact Elvis and he comes to the
boat landing with spare keys to unlock the car with
the cars eight miles from Heather Elvis's apartment, and once
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her father unlocks the car, police find Heather's keys, phone,
and purse, all missing. Calls to her phone go unanswered.
Heather is not at her apartment and doesn't show up
at her job.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
In that sound from our friends at HLN, you here
Heather's dad, Terry Elvis, stating that her purse, her cell
phone missing with her everything else appears to be in order.
Joining me an all star pan ultimate sense of what
we're learning tonight. First, I want to go out to
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some very very special guests. This is Heather's mother and sister,
Debbie and Morgan Elvis. Thank you for being with us.
Straight out to Debbie Elvis, this is Heather's mom. I
cannot imagine what you're going through. You put all your time,
your energy, your love, your money, two hundred percent blood,
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sweat and tears.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You pour it into your children and then to have
your beautiful daughter just disappear like that.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Never a hint of trouble ever from Heather Elvis. She
wasn't some juvenile delinquent that made all fs and would
stand out on the corner.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Smoking and vaping.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That wasn't Heather, not at all, beautiful, bright, hard.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Working, industrious.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
When did you learn that she was seemingly missing with
her cell phone and purse gone?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
When did you learn that?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
We didn't really learn she was missing until we found
out about her car. An officer stopped by the house
and said that there was a car part to Peachtree
Boat Landing that was ours, and I realized it was
Heather's car he was talking about, and my husband rode
with him down to the landing to see why it
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was left there. We thought maybe she was on the
boat with somebody. But the fact that she wouldn't answer
her phone, which never happens. She always has her phone
on in handy she always answered that was a worrisome issue.
But it took us calling everybody to realize there was
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something very wrong.
Speaker 7 (03:46):
But her not answering her phone.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
Was a big clue that something was very wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We are showing you shots not only of Heather but
of her green dodge and trap and found parked abandoned,
interesting perpend to the parking spaces at Peachtree Landing Boat Launch,
completely unlike her. Look at the way she kept her
vehicle in perfect pristine condition.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know, car nuts.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
My daughter is the same way, missus Elvis. Her car
is spotless, unlike everybody else in our family. She won't
let the dog get in it, she won't let the
cat get in it. She won't let me in it
with my hot tea.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
No way.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And I find it very curious, very curious. Let me
go out to Nancy Livesay, Hoary County prosecutor, intimately familiar
with the investigation.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
In this case. Nancy, I know that may not mean.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
A lot to other people, but to me, that's very,
very probative. And it reminds me of a case you
and I are familiar with of Tara Grinstead, a gorgeous
young a teacher, high school teacher. She's a beauty queen
that goes missing suddenly out of South Georgia.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And the search went on and on and on.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And when I met with her mother, we walked through
her home and Nancy, her home was in perfect condition
like it had just been professionally.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Clean, and I found out she was a neat nick.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Like Heather and her car right and I noticed that
the lamp was askew in her bedroom, like the shade
was messed up, and I thought she would not have
walked out with that, because it's.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Even bothering me.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Then I looked at her car, Nancy, the car, which
she kept like Heather did, perfectly pristine, was covered in
mud on the outside and the front seat. She was
a petite young lady, the seat was reared all the
way back for a really tall person to dry. And
I knew right then that Tara Grinstead was long gone.
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Now would it mean anything to a jury, I don't know,
but it meant something to me. Heather was a neat
nick about her car. Why would she leave it parked
perpendicular to the other spots and abandoned.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
She would never do that.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
No, absolutely, And I think two. What speaks to me
and spoke to the police department was I think this
meant that clearly someone picked her up that she was
comfortable with. This was not a struggle, This was not
a stranger abduction, but this was a situation where she
got out of the car, and she knew the individual
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that she was going to meet.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
She had her phone, her purchasing Nancy Live say, if
she had not known the individual, how would you expect
the scene to look differently? Because now I'm thinking back
to a morning anchor Jodhus and Trut who didn't show
up for her show first thing in the morning. Her
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car was sitting out in the parking lot much like Heather's,
except a shoe, one of her high heeled shoe and
some hairsprung was lying in the parking lot near her car,
which to me indicated that fell out of her pocketbook
and she lost her She would have struggled.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
But you're saying just the way that this is amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Nancy Laife say, hey, you know, Jimmy Richardson, you got
to keep her right there.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I hope you know that.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
What would you have expected at the scene if there
had been a struggle.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
Something similar to what you just discussed, a missing shoe,
jumped and fallen out of her pocketbook, maybe even the phone.
Maybe the person got the phone from her and she
lost control of the phone. But clearly the fact that
the doors were locked, the windows were up, she had
her phone she had her keys, she had her pocketbook.
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There was no sign of a struggle at all.
Speaker 8 (07:44):
Interesting jump in there was a trailer park right beside
Peachtree Landing, and the police comb that trailer park or
anyone that would have heard the sign of a struggle, gunshot, argument,
anything like that. And it was within fifty yards of
where Heather's car was parked in the middle of the
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night with very little sound. Nobody heard anything, so it
had to be a very quiet abduction.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Man, I am looking at shots of Heather right now.
Morgan Elvis is Heather's sister. Extremely close. I guess the
closest person in the world to me, other than my
twins and my husband, would be my sister, my sister
that I grew up with. Morgan, When did you learn
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that Heather was missing? I'm going to get to the affair,
her unwitting affair with a married man.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
What is it with married men? Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Anyway, I want to talk to you, Morgan, about when
you learned Heather had seemingly just disappeared into thin air.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
I was at the basketball game and I'm just done this.
I know it sounds weird and eveling that something was wrong,
I'd felt kind of off, and so I was sat
at this basketball game, was kind of relaying and turned
around and at the top of the bleachers my mother
was looking back at me, and she had a face
I had never seen her there before, and I knew
immediately something was terribly, terribly wrong. So she came down.
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She had tears in her eyes, and she said, we
have to go out, We have to leave now. And
I didn't really know what was going on at that point,
but I knew, you know, this is something very dramatic,
this is something life altering. We got in the car
and it was silent on the way home, and when
I got there, it felt like everything happened so quickly
and in slow motion. At the same time, I learned
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through hearing the conversations and kind of watching what was
going on. My dad was in a panic and a
frenzy on the phone, calling everyone he knew. My mom
was trying to tell me what was going on, but
wasn't really making any sense. It was a whirl end,
and honestly, I've blocked out a lot of the details
of that night. I remember more how I felt and
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less about the actual words that were said.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I want to go to doctor Chloe Carmichael with US
renownedd psychologist, author of Nervous Energy, How Harnessed the Power
of your anxiety?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Doctor Chloe did did you hear what she was saying?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
She remembers the moment and I'm projecting again when I
learned something had happened to my fiance, I didn't know
at the moment he had been murdered. I remember exactly
where I was, what happened, the exact words that were said.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But then.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Time before that, months, time after that, months and months
bordering on years are a blur. What is that phenomenon
that the sister Morgan has lost chunks of memory around
that she can remember feelings, but not exactly what happened.
Speaker 10 (10:52):
Sure, Nancy, we call that a flash bulb memory, where
you have that moment in time and you remember it very,
very clearly, and oftentimes it is normal to not really
remember everything else so well after that point, because all
of a sudden, that's a moment where your mind was
given something really big and difficult to process, and so
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after that point things can get a little bit blurry
as well as the time before, because the flashbulb moment
is such a disorientating moment.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
You know, I'm looking at shots of Heather right now
and I believe that this is the outfit she was
wearing where she worked, the Tilted Kilt, a restaurant. Joining me,
Peter Sister, former lieutenant at Horry County PD who worked
on Heather's disappearance. Peter, it's great to have you along
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with Nancy and Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 11 (11:49):
Peter.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I want to focus on what jumped out at you
at the scene where her.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
In shrepid was found, but also at first look at
the out fit that she wore.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's not exactly a Hooter's outfit, but it's a revealing outfit.
And that's what all the waitresses wore at the Tilted Kilt,
and that would make me concerned as an investigator on
the case, but makes me concerned right now that that
really opens up your pool of suspect. Every weirdo that
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came into the Tilted Kilt and would stare or ogle
the waitresses suddenly becomes a suspect. Let's see that that
outfit that she had to wear at Tilted Kilt.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, that go ahead, Peter.
Speaker 12 (12:37):
Outfits like that are are common in restaurants like Hooters
and Tilted Kilt. They're revealing yet not you know, too revealing,
And it's to draw attention, you know, with the customers
obviously Hooters and Tilted Kilt, you know, target and mail customers,
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you know, and entice them with how you know, pretty
the girls look. So yeah, that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You're looking at shots of Heather Elvis. Where is Heather?
All we know right now is her car is found
parked perpendicular to all the other spots, and she's gone
with her cell phone and her pocketbook. But she's not
answering the cell phone. This is just a nineteen year.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Old girl who has been lured.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Into a sex affair with a much older and secretly
married man with three children.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Wow, what could go wrong? The search is on for Heather. Listen.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Corey County Police begin a missing person investigation. The area
around where her car is found in the boat landing
is searched by investigators, and the river bed is searched
by a team of rescue divers from Coastal Carolina University.
Searching physically around the area of the car is fruitless,
but using digital information from herself, number investigators begin to
build a timeline. Myrtle Beach, South Carolina is known as
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a vacation destination for spring breakers and families alike, but
it's also a wonderful area to raise a family. Heather
Elvis is the oldest of Terry and Debbie Elvis's children,
and at twenty years old, she's moved out of the
family home and is living in an apartment with her
best friend and roommate, Brie Worrelman. Worrelman and Elvis work
together at the Tilted Kilt restaurant.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You know, at a.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Lot of colleges and universities, they only have room for
people to live in the dorms, say the first year
or the first two years, and then the students are
expected to go to off campus housing. At nineteen years old,
Heather had just moved in with her best friend, her roommate, Brianna,
and then here comes trouble.
Speaker 13 (14:45):
Listen Well, working as a hostess at the Tilted Kilt,
Heather Elvis meets Sidney Moore, a welder by trade. Moore
has a company called Palmetto Maintenance that handles service of
restaurant equipment. Heather Elvis has an immediate attraction to Moore,
even though he is nearly twice her age.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
She was happy. I mean she she had a crush
or you know, an affinity for him, and it was mutual.
They both, you know, courted each other. And I bet
it was mutual.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
An old man like him hitting on a team girl.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
What about those three children at home? That was smart?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Friends at WPDE ABC fifteen Straight out to Michael Baher, director,
producer of Vanished the Heather Elvis Case and founder of
True Case Films. He also created a docuseries, Vanished the
Heather Elvis Case. Michael Bayer, from all I have learned,
(15:41):
this nineteen year old girl did not know at the
beginning that her love object was married with three children.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
That's correct, Nancy.
Speaker 14 (15:50):
In the beginning, in the first few dates, she had
no idea that he was a married man.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
But isn't it true, Michael, And I've learned this from
you and your incredible popodcast and docuseries Vanish the Heather
Elvis Case. That he, however, was going around bragging about
his dating a much younger woman, Heather, and was telling
people that he and his wife had an open marriage.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Is that true?
Speaker 14 (16:19):
That's correct? So he was open about the relationship at
the Tilted Kill he worked there along with Heather, so
he was also telling people, Look, you know my wife
knows about this. You know she has her own relationships too,
So this isn't something that you know, is unnormal or
anything like that. We have an open relationship, is what
he was telling everybody around there.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Okay, hold it right there, Michael Bayer.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I've got a much older guy dating a teen girl
who doesn't know that he is married with three children,
and he's bragging about having an open marriage. I've made
it very clear, Jimmy Richardson, Horry County Solicitor, with my husband,
open marriage, open casket. I think he understands it really well.
(17:08):
Jimmy Richardson. Now it's my understanding, and I'm learning a
lot of this from you, and a lot of this
from Michael Bhaer and his podcast and documentary that the
older man had had many other sex affairs, but the
wife never cared until Heather Elvis came along.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Why.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
I think Heather was beautiful and very young, and I
think that his wife really when she found out about Heather,
she was not nearly These other girls had never been
that beautiful or young, and I don't think she was
threatened by them, not to the extent that she was
(17:50):
by Heather. I think that Sydney had actually fallen for
Heather in some sort of way where maybe the other
ones it was just a true.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Well, as you heard Michael Bhaer say earlier, he worked
at Tilted Kill, not on the payroll, but he would
do maintenance there. And I can just see this old
perv walking around staring at Heather Elvis while he's got
three children at home.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Anyway, the wife does find out.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Listen, Heather Elvis and Sidney Moore are not secretive about
their affair. Heather doesn't know Moore is married, but in
a matter of week, Sidney Moore's wife, Tammy, finds out
and confronts Heather. Tammy Moore begins making calls to Heather's phone,
sending text messages, and even sends pictures of her and
Sidney having sex. Tammy isn't just terrorizing Heather Elvis. Friends
of the couple say Tammy was always in charge of
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her relationship with Sidney, and now she forces Sidney to
get a tattoo of her name above his crotch.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Okay, hold on, you know, I'm sure I need a
shrink on this, but you know, it just seems to
me Nancy Life say here Horry County prosecutor intimately familiar
with this case, that if you have to force your
husband to get your name tattooed right above his crotch,
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you should probably just break up.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
If it's come to that. It's like branding him.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
If you can't trust him as far as you can
throw him, just get rid of him, start over with
somebody new, consider it a starter marriage, and get the
real one for Pete's sake.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
I couldn't agree more. And it wasn't just the tattoo
that she had taken his phone. We had information where
she was handcuffing him to the bed instead of letting
him go. Tammy took the opposite route and double down
on Sydney and her control of Sydney.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I've got a question. Is he.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
The married man? You all refer to him by his
first name. I guess you're all on a first name
basis with him. I'm not Sidney Moore wife Tammy Moore.
Is he younger than Tammy Moore? Does anybody know that.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
He is younger but just spent maybe two or three
years it's been a huge age gap, but he is
a little younger than.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
No, it's not Nancy live say, but doctor Chloe Carmichael.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It could be one year, it could be six months.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
That goes into her mentality the wife, the freaky, jealous,
tattoo loving wife, the branding wife, because in her mind,
I guarantee you, Oh, I got a younger man, I'm
going to have a hard time holding on to him.
My question is why would you want to? I mean,
you've already raised children. Why raise a man for Pete's sake?
(20:40):
But that said, I think this played into her paranoia,
Doctor Chloe.
Speaker 10 (20:44):
Well, Nancy, I totally agree with you. I mean, obviously
the sensible thing to do would be to just move on.
But my guess is it could be a variety of things.
But she might have felt like that would be admitting defeat.
You know, sometimes there can be just a really fierce
sense of competition, and instead of leaving, because that would
feel like, you know, kind of going away with your
(21:06):
tail between your leg, the wife might feel like she
has to kind of come back and reclaim him.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Crime Stories with.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Nancy Grace, Heather Elvis, Room Made and best Friends says
Tammy Moore harasses the much younger Heather by calling her
for hours on end. Tammy even calls Heather using Sydney's
phone and forces Sydney to tell Heather she meant nothing
to him, she was just a booty call, and other
horrible things that leave Heather Elvis in a state of shock.
(21:39):
It takes time, but the calls in tech slow down
and eventually stop, and Heather begins looking forward to the
future again too.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Debbie and Morgan Elvis, this is these are Heather's mom
and sister. Did she ever reveal to you, Debbie, all
of the harassing phone calls from the.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Tammy Moore?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Did she ever state that she was concerned about it
and that they wouldn't stop.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
They were all hours of the day or night.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
She mentioned some phone calls when she got sent home
from work. There was a problem at work where she
was being harassed and police recalled.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
She was sent home.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
She was Heather does not like to miss work.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
And she was very upset about being sent home and
missing work. So she came to the house and was
telling me. She read me this whole conversation on the phone,
and the last of it she responded with the period,
and she said, because that's what I think about that,
and was telling me that this girl was obsessed with her,
(22:44):
that it was an ex of somebody that she had
been dating, that she was no longer dating, and that's
all I knew. I didn't know about married mann. I
didn't know about all of the phone calls and texts
and pictures, so she was I didn't know any of
that until Again.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
She probably didn't want you to know what had happened
in her life. And I'd like to point out that
the reason she came home from work that day is
that some of the other waitresses were making fun of
her about Tammy Moore constantly calling her and texting her,
and they were making light of it, and it was
(23:25):
just too much for this little teen girl to take.
But we know, Michael Bayer that as time went on,
weeks went by, months went by, the call subsided and
she began dating another guy more her age, right.
Speaker 14 (23:40):
That's correct. She ended up meeting a guy named Steven Schiraldi.
I think it was over Instagram. They went to the
same high school, but I don't think they knew each
other in high school. So someone that she met over
social media and then she agreed to go on a
date with.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Him, and I was looking at their day.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
They were driving around looking at Christmas lights, and he
was teaching her to drive a stick shift. I know
that because she took a selfie of herself trying to
learn to drive a stick shift, and he brings her
home that night.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Steven Schiraldi drops Heather Elvis off at her apartment around
one fifteen am December eighteenth. Heather's best friend and room mate,
Breed Warrelman, is visiting family out of state when Heather
calls her at one forty four am. Breed thinks Heather
is calling to tell her about her date. Instead, Heather
Elvis is hysterical. She tells Warrelman Sidney Moore called telling
her he's leaving his wife and wants her to meet
(24:33):
up with him. Warrelman tells Elvis not to meet with
him right now, just sleep on it. The call lasts
for two minutes.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
So Nancy live say, let me understand Sidney Moore and
his crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Wife, Tammy Moore. And I mean that in a liy sense,
not the legal sense. She's not insane.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
After a period of quiet, suddenly he the married ex
of three children, calls her in the middle of the
night and says he wants to get back together and
to come meet him.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That right, that's right.
Speaker 7 (25:01):
And we figured out later that that phone call was
made from a payphone, so Sydney had gone. Sidney Moore
had gone to a payphone around one thirty in the
morning and placed this call to Heather Elvis. The phone
call was about four minutes and you see from the
phone call that she immediately calls the roommate and relays
(25:21):
everything said on the phone call.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And that phone call is where everything goes sideways.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Listen, we know that.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
The cell phone was last used three forty one Wednesday
morning am.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
That's being a confer Investigators find that a phone call
was placed to Heather at one thirty five am from
a payphone. According to what roommate brewel police, this might
have been a call from Sidney Moore. Heather cell phone
receives another call from a payphone at two thirty am,
no one answers. At three thirty seven am, Heather's phone
(25:56):
moves from Peacetree Landing. Shortly after three thirty seven am,
multiple calls are made to Sidney Moore's phone, but go unanswered.
At six am, all activity on Heather's phone stops.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
That's our friends at hl N. But then we have
to look at the digital phone records. What do we
learn to Peter Sister, former Lieutenant Horry County PD, who
worked this case. What did the digital the cell phone
(26:31):
evidence show you? And who uses a payphone?
Speaker 11 (26:35):
For Pete's sake, he had used a payphone to contact
her at about one point thirty in the morning, but
the digital signal from her phone, we're able to track
her phone after that point where she travels.
Speaker 12 (26:51):
Back home to her apartment and then travels further north
in the Myrtle Beach area. I'm assuming looking to meet
up with him. She then turns around, comes back towards
her apartment stocks there momentarily before her phone tracks from
(27:12):
her apartment straight down to the Peachtree Landing.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
After a period of doldrums where this young teen girl
hears nothing from her married ex or his crazy wife,
we think we understand now what was the tipping point?
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Listen investigators be in to build a case. Phone records
reveal activity between Heather and Sydney Moore's phones in the
early hours of December eighteenth, surveillance footage shows more purchasing
a pregnancy test at Walmart at one twelve am, and
Moore is also captured on surveillance making a call from
a payphone to Heather's cell phone at one thirty five am.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Oh my stars to Nancy live say joining us Hory
County Prosecutor Nancy. So the all married man gets the
teen girl pregnant? Is that who? The pregnancy test is
four and the wife is in there or the husband
(28:11):
is in there buying a pregnancy test, and then we
see him at a payphone calling her.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
That's correct, and that's what the evidence shows, is that
there had been some changes in Heather Elvis's body prior
to this phone call, and in fact such a significant
change she required a new uniform at Tilted Killed. There
had been phone calls from.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Call on just to moment.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Jimmy Richardson, Nancy Livesay is being extremely delicate.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Richardson, Horry County Solicitor. What do you mean? Why did
she have to get a new uniform? Richardson?
Speaker 8 (28:48):
She had gone from like a be cup to a
D cup almost over night. Her breast had grown. She
had had to change uniforms and go up like two sizes,
and she was apparently talking to other workers that she
felt like she was pregnant. Plus they were putting two
and two together. That is why we believe that fifteen
(29:12):
minutes before being caught on the payphone, which was caught
by camera, he was caught by another camera at Walmart
buying a cigar and a pregnancy test. So he immediately
went from the Walmart straight up the road. Tammy was
in the vehicle with him. They drive straight up the
road maybe half of a mile to that payphone, and
(29:38):
that is the first call that Heather is heard from
Sydney Moore in.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Months Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
When was the last time you were here with them
or talk to them or anything like that. It was
earlier tonight. I don't know the exact time, but okay,
I left.
Speaker 14 (30:09):
I was probably going an hour and a half for
my mom's and I saw them about forty five minutes
before that.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I'll never forget that. We all know.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Alex Murdog now convicted of the double murders of his
wife Maggie and son Paul, gunning them down, then pretending
he wasn't at the crime scene. That's him lying to
police about being at his mom's at the time the
two were murdered. But you know what, cell phone data
(30:37):
doesn't lie. Neither didn't have systems in his car. But
I love the way he broke off just for like
a split one second to have a little whimper of.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Pain, really murdog.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Same thing here to Michael Baher producer of Vanished to
Heather Elvis Cases documentary as well, what does the digital
path prove about these payphones and her phone as well?
Speaker 14 (31:06):
Well, I think the investigators were able to kind of
put together a path of where Hea there was because
after getting that payphone call, she was then her phone
pinged and she had another her cell phone call where
she went out to the Carolina Forest and that's where
she ended up speaking to Sidney Moore. And then she
actually went back to her apartment. They're able to ping
(31:29):
it there, and then she finally then went to the
Peachtree Boat Landing where her phone pinged one more time
and that was the last time that it pinged.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
The Antebelle and home we're showing you is actually divided
up into apartments.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
This is her apartment.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Her phone pained there to Peter to Stare and joining
us former lieutenant and Horry County PD who worked this case.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
What did you make the digital evidence? The self evidence?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
It's powerful, The triangulation process is undeniable, and it proves
a lot. I don't care what these two say. The
digital evidence shows something very different. And again, who uses
a payphone when you've got a cell phone? You use
a payphone? Or put your phone in airplane mode or
turn it off like Brian Coburger.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Out of all the.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Time his phone was monitored, when did he turn it
off when he's leaving the quadruple murder scene?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
According to prosecutors? So what did you learn?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
What did you learn from a review of all of
this digital evidence?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Peter?
Speaker 12 (32:39):
The phone tells the entire story of what's going on. Obviously,
you can't tell whether the phone is in Heather's possession,
but that's the assumption. But the phone tracks from her
apartment up to that long Beard's Bar and grill. And
(32:59):
the reason why I believe it tracked up to there
was at some point Sydney Moore had told Heather that
he was working at Longhorns, another local steakhouse. I think
she did not quite understand what he said and thought
it was Long Beards, which is closer to her home.
She then travels up there spends about fifteen minutes. The
(33:23):
phone then travels back down towards her apartment, stops in
the parking lot of her apartment again before it then
begins to move again, going south from her residence to
the Peachtree Landing.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And you know what else is interesting, peters to stare,
is my understanding that Timmy and cdey Moore lived about
three miles from the landing Ptree Landing where her intrepid
her car is found part perpendicular.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Isn't that right? They live very close to that.
Speaker 12 (33:56):
That's correct, They do live very close. And the road
take you from the Mora's house to the Peachtree Landing
is all back roads, so it's not like you're coming
out onto any main highways. However, in those back roads
were some cameras that enabled us to catch glimpses of
(34:17):
vehicles going by.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Oh, I'm so happy you said that.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Peter Sistaire still on the money here, former Lieutenant Hory
County PD. He knows the facts like the back of
his hands. Nancy Live say he's right, And dare I
bring up Alex Murdoch again, who arranged for himself to
be shot in the head. He lived, but he thought
(34:41):
there were no cameras anywhere around when that happened. But
lo and behold on that rural road where he had
his dope dealer shoot him and then try to pretend
it was the real killer of his wife and son.
There was a security survey camera at a Baptist church
(35:03):
way down the road where he turned.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
In, and he was busted on that video surveillance.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Nancy, explain to me, what is Peter Sisier talking about
that a Ford f one fifty, a dark Ford f
one fifty is passed going to the landing where her
car was found.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Who's for f one fifty? I think I know the
answer to that.
Speaker 7 (35:23):
That's right, It's going to be Sidney Moores and Tammy Moore's.
And in fact, there was one camera on eight fourteen,
which was the road they lived on, and then when
you take a right to get on Mill Pond to
go down to the landing, there was a second camera,
so you literally see them leave their house, go down
eight fourteen, they're caught on camera, and then take the
(35:46):
right and go down Mill Pond and go towards Peachtree Landing,
so they were called twice clearly going to the landing.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Did a married woman, the mother of three, manipulate her
husband to help her commit murder of a teen girl,
a restaurant hostess now pregnant with her husband's baby. It
wouldn't be the first time women have manipulated their love
(36:14):
object into murder. Listen when Jay asked, Okay, well, what
did you do about it?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Back then?
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Diane looked this man dead in the eyes and said,
I made him kill the girl.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Dating with high school Dianza Mora and David Graham planned
to serve in the Navy and Air Force, respectively after graduation.
They also planned to get married. When David confesses to
Diane that he had sex with another girl, Adrian Jones,
so Mara becomes hysterical and tells him the only way
she'll ever trust him again is if he kills Jones.
Graham agrees and lures Jones out of her house, drives
her to Joe Pool Lake. Once parked, Diane Zamora, quietly
(36:51):
hidden in the vehicle, hits Jones in the head with
a dumbbell. Jones tries to run, but Graham gives chase,
catches her, and shoots her twice in the head, with
the whole world.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
In front of them.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Cadets at the Naval Academy and the Air Force Academy
plot murder and then murder a sixteen year old little
girl that was working at a drive through over jealousy.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Sound familiar.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
And then, of course there's the case of Potus Dulos,
who murders his wife, Jennifer Dulos, the mother of their
five children, with the help of his lover, Michelle Traconas.
There you see the video of Potus at Dulos throwing Oh,
there's Michelle Traconas rearing her ugly head, the two of
(37:37):
them throwing out bloody items, shirts, bra rags, sponges, drenched
and the blood of Jennifer Dulos. What makes a woman
help a murderous man, or in the current case, what
makes a woman manipulate her husband into killing his teen lover?
(38:02):
That's the question. Then, of course we've got Natalie Keepers
and David Eisenhower. She took part Natalie Keepers and the
murder and the disposal of the body of a little girl,
a thirteen year old girl.
Speaker 9 (38:17):
You're David, You're my crush, and I know you don't
think of me like that, and I don't care.
Speaker 6 (38:22):
I will always be here.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
If you're looking for a good time, I'm here. When
you had a bad day, I'm here. And I don't
want that to change. I want to be in your
life for as long as you can see.
Speaker 9 (38:31):
Any And I know I'm annoying and I asked her
too much, but I'm a girl and I have a
hard and feelings and my feelings get hurt a lot,
but it's never been.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Hurt by you, and I like that.
Speaker 15 (38:42):
The FBI figured out that Cool had regular Will you
use the app? Kick? That app allows teens to communicate
anonymously so their parents don't know. David Eisenhower lured this
little girl out of her home with promises of a
quote secretsty and murdered her in cold blood because he
was apparently afraid that the relationship was going to be
(39:03):
exposed by this precious little girl. When Cool body was found,
she had fourteen stab wounds. One was to the neck,
as confirmed by a medical expander.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
A little teen girl murdered, and Natalie Keepers was right
in there helping Eisenhower do the deed.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
I guess the one that would.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Really take the cake would be killer wife Carla Homolka.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Carla Hamolka and Paul Bernardo looked like the couple poised
atop a wedding cake, but their beautiful looks hide an
ugly secret. Together, the married couple rape, torture, and kill
at least three underage girls, including Carla's little sister Tammy.
When Tammy chokes on her own vomited dies. Based on
statements from Hamoka and Bernardo, the death is ruled an
accident straight.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Out to Debbie and Morgan Elvis, the mom and sister
of Heather.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Now that we know.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
That these two gules straight from Hell's and Timmy Moore
are responsible for the disappearance of Heather, what is your
message tonight, Debbie.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
I'm hoping that all of this new publicity is going
to bring some new tips in. I'm hoping that somebody
will see this and.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Say, oh, somebody told me about this.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
So one of their family members said this, or this
is where they used to hang out or hide stuff,
any little part of information that somebody has about them,
their nature, their lifestyle that might lead us to where
Heather is. That's what I feel comes.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Next do you believe, Debbie, and this is a hard question.
Do you believe that there is any hope that Heather
is still alive? Or are you hoping to bring her
body home and bury her.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
I hope to bring her home in any way that's possible,
in any form or that's possible. And I refuse to
give a video hoope about any possible way to bring
her home or anything that might have happened or be happening.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
If you know or think you know anything about the
disappearance and what many people believe to be the murder
of this teen girl, Heather Elvis, please dial eight four
three nine one five eight four seven seven repeat eight
four three, nine one five, eight four seven seven. We
(41:32):
remember American hero Deputy Sheriff Nicholas Waste, Knox County Sheriff's Illinois,
killed in the line of duty. Survived by wife turned widow, Jessica, children,
Ava and Emery. American hero Deputy Sheriff Nicholas Waste, Nancy
Gray signing off goodbye for
Speaker 12 (42:00):
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