April 3, 2025 • 43 mins
For her 36th birthday, anesthesiologist Gerhardt Konig whisks his wife, engineer Arielle, away for a romantic getaway.
He secretly plans the trip, arranging for family members and a hired nanny to stay with their two sons. The couple decides to hike a popular trail along the Koʻolau Mountains, leading to Pali Puka, a rock formation framing the east side of Oʻahu.
Konig hopes the trip will ease tension after months of couples therapy following his accusations that Arielle had an affair. Arielle denies the claims and struggles to understand their origin. She wants to regain her husband’s trust, but his jealousy and abuse, including sexual assaults, have only escalated.
During the hike, Arielle wants to push forward but stops when she sees the final steep stretch. She chooses to wait while Konig completes the climb. When he returns, he takes a picture of her in a tree and suggests they take a selfie at the trail’s edge, overlooking Oʻahu. Arielle smiles for the photo but immediately asks him to step forward so she can move away from the edge.
As she follows him, Konig suddenly turns, grabs her arms, and shoves her toward the cliff, saying, “Get back over there. I’m so f***ing sick of you!”
At first, Arielle thinks he is joking, but he pushes her again, pins her down, and pulls a syringe and vial from his bag, attempting to fill the syringe. She knocks it from his hands, but he digs into his bag again, possibly searching for another. Instead, he grabs a rock and repeatedly strikes her head.
Other hikers hear Arielle’s screams and rush to help. Konig, covered in blood, flees into the woods and video calls his adult son, Emile. Shocked by his father’s appearance, Emile listens as Konig starts to explain but stops mid-sentence and says, “I just tried to kill Ari, but she got away.” He then tells Emile he wants to jump off the cliffs and kill himself.
Joining Nancy Grace today,
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Philip Dubé - Court-appointed Counsel, Los Angeles County Public Defenders: Criminal & Constitutional Law; Forensics & Mental Health Advocacy
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Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker;" Featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
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Bill Hernandez - Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault Detective, California
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Dr. Catherine Hannan - Chief of Reconstructive Plastic Surgery at the Veteran's Affairs Medical Center Washington DC and owner of Washington Women Plastic Surgery; Instagram and Facebook @DrHannanDC
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Mahealani Richardson - Four-time Emmy Award Winning Anchor / Reporter at Hawaii News Now; Instagram @maheaTV, Facebook @MahealaniRichardson
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, The wife of a beloved
doctor faces death at a sheer cliff's edge on a
romantic getaway. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
After relocating from Pennsylvania to Maui, annisteesiologist doctor Gerhard Konig
plans a romantic birthday getaway for his wife on the
rocky cliffs of Oahu Hooi.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Facing death on a sheer cliff on a romantic getaway?
Can you imagine the terror she felt that must have
coursed through her body looking down at a great height
on a very narrow trail. Joining me an all star
panel to make sense of what we know now?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
But who are these people? Listen?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Gerhard Konig, an anesthesiologist and professor at the University of
Pittsburgh Medical Center, falls head over heels for nuclear power
plant project engineer Aril. Despite their ten year age gap,
Gerhart and Ril are married in twenty eighteen, have their
first baby boy in twenty twenty, and another two years later.
In twenty twenty three, The couple decides to follow one
(01:17):
of Gerhart's dreams and move from Pennsylvania to Maui.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Hawaii.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Gerhart becomes a partner at the Anesthesia Medical Group and
frequently works at Maui Memorial Medical Center, while Ril retains
her job at Tara Power.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Again joining us an all star Panueld makes sense of
what we are learning, what happened on.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
That narrow path on the.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Drop of a sheer cliff's edge, straight out to special
guests joining me four time Emmy Award winning Anchor Investigative
reporter at Hawaii News now joining us Mahealani Richardson.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Mahalani, thank you so much for being with us.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
First of all, tell me about this cliff, the sheer drop.
You know, my husband is afraid hines. He can't even
look down, he can't ride a Ferris whale nothing.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
So tell me about this location. Well, this location is
off the Puly Lookout. It is one of the most
popular destinations on the island of Oahu besides Diamond Head.
And the reason being is on the island of Oahu,
it is just fifteen minutes away from downtown Honolulu. So
the trail that they went on is up the Pullpuka Trail.
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It is an off limits trail. The State of Hawaii
does not sanction people to go there, but it is
still popular and you can see those cliffs. It has
a wide sweeping view of Windward, Oahu. And when people
go up this very narrow, very dangerous trail, at the
top of it is a pukah, a hole. It is
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six feet wide and people can see through the mountain
like a window to Windward, oh Ahu. And why so
many people like to go there?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Doctor Bethany Marshall joining US, high profile psychoanalyst out of
la author of deal Breaker, and you can see her
now on peacock. She's at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Thrill
seekers Why did.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
They do it?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But let me just say the wife did not want
to do this. She did not want to go on
that narrow trail. But what is it about thrill seekers?
You know, doctor Bethany Marshall. You and I talked about
this when it happened. We took the children to Gatorland
to see Old Florida. My son wanted to zip cord
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across very high up across a big lake full of gators.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I mean my head. It was going off like one
of those arcade games.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
No, I didn't let him, and it's very hard for
me to say no to John David. But the thrill,
why the people want that thrill?
Speaker 6 (03:56):
You know, Nancy, There's a drive that we actually share
in common with all mammals, and it's kind of like
a foraging drive. It's like when you want to go
out explore the world, have adventures, learn new and amazing things.
It is something that we all have, and some people
are just able to switch that switch on and enjoy
it and explore the world. But in this case, I
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look at this as a beautiful, beautiful setting. But gosh,
I would be really careful on a trail like that,
especially since the public is not even supposed.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
To go there, Doctor Bethany, there is a big difference
and me wanting to take the twins to see new
and different things like Yosemite, the Arch in Saint Louis,
the Lewis and Clark Trail, the Great Confluence of the
Mighty Mississippi and the Muddy Missouri, and risking your life,
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risking your life, I mean, you just heard Mayolani Richardson
state that this is off limits, that the government, the
state does not sanction anybody going on this trail. Here
she ends up facing death on that narrow trail is
exactly what they said, don't do.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
But Nancy, now you're going to get me on my
favorite topic, which is sociopathy. And if this alleged crime
is true, I don't know completely what happened on that trail.
Is that people who fall into this personality disorder have
a lot of inner emptiness in boredom, so they seek
out stimulating activities. They like to break the law, they
like to have.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Heights they like.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
They won't just ski down a mountain, they will helicopter ski,
they'll jump out of a helicopter. So the more that
they can push the limits, the more alive they feel.
So I'm curious about this population who's actually trespassing and
breaking the law and hiking in this particular spot. I
wouldn't want to go there, and if I were the wife,
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I'd be quite suspicious of it was somebody who has
a medical license but is actually trespassing on public property.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I've got a very strong feeling, Philip, do you Bay
joining me? High profile defense attorney joining us out of
the California jurisdiction, Philip Dubay, I don't think the beloved
doctor dragged his wife up the side of that mountain
in Hawaii just for thrills. So how can you look
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at a jury and say he was just.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Adventurous b s. I can't wait to hear this.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
I'm not aware of any evidence that he took her
off the trail. This is a very heavily foot traffic
area where there are witnesses glore. You cannot believe how
many people from all over the world are at the
New Uanu poly lookout point. And it's not there just
to craft a place to commit the perfect homicide, but
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rather it's a panoramic viewpoint that is available on everything.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Shut him up.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I cannot believe Dubay just managed to work into the
Senate's panoramic viewpoint.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I don't think he dragged his wife up there to
take her off the trail. I think he dragged her
up there to throw her off the trail. I mean,
can you look at me, Dobay with a straight face
and argue that was not his intent.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
She didn't want to go up there, she didn't want
to take the trail.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
She tried to hang on to a tree for Pete's sake,
according to what we have learned.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
But no, he insisted on a selfie at the sheer.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Drop at the edge of the path on a cliff
up there in the clouds, Philip Dubay.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
She didn't want to go.
Speaker 7 (07:43):
Yeah, but somehow she managed to get up there. I
sincerely doubt that they're going to be able to prove
beyond a reasonable doubt that he was holding her by
the collar, by the back of the neck and just
dragging her all the way up. I don't know how
many thousands of feet just so we could knock her
off diamond head there. It's ridiculous. I think that when
the jury has the opportunity to flesh out the facts,
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they're going to see that this is poetry in motion
and that he's not an octopus.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Well did you just call this poetry in motion? Did
he say that?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Okay, you did say this is poetry in motion? Then
how in the hay does she get her head totally
bashed in?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
This is a yes note. Did you just call this
poetry in motion?
Speaker 7 (08:28):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
With a capital y again joining me in All Star panel,
Let me go straight out to Bill Hernandez, Domestic Violence
sex assault Detective, California. Never a lack of business in
that jurisdiction.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Bill, Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
You know, very often Bill, in situations like this, we
see the wife going along with all the husband's hair
brained ideas to placate the husband.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
This is an example a true I've given many many times.
This is not from court when I prosecuted felonies. This
is from volunteer work at the Battered Women's Center. I
had a very well connected executive, a corporate executive, call
home to his battered wife. She was also the perfect
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wife and tell her he was bringing people home.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
To make Mexican food. She made tacos.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
He beat her into a coma because she didn't make enchiladas.
This woman would jump through hoops whatever the husband wanted
to avoid a beating, to placate.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Him, whatever the demand or the requests might be, just
in order to keep the peace.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
They had children. She didn't want the children to see this.
She didn't want the children to know what was going on.
He would take the phones out of the cords out
of the wall, very off of what he would leave
for work. And this was a very educated woman, much
like the victim in this case, Bill Hernandez. So when
the husband takes her for a romantic getaway, this wealthy
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doctor and assists they go on this trail together on
the special day. That day, of course she went along.
She didn't want to cause a scene or a problem.
Have you ever seen that happen?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Bill?
Speaker 8 (10:30):
Absolutely, It's all about course of control and power control
and that type of relationship. And quite often I see
this on a daily basis whenever I'm doing in my investigations.
Is all this power control that these people exert over
their spouses, and the spouses want to really make the
home safe and calm and comfortable. But yet you know
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they've got to do all these things in order to
make this other person happy, which is seemingly never able
to happen.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
You're right, Bill, it's never enough. It never makes the
spouse happy the partner. It's a circle. It's a circle.
You have the blow up where the beating or the
abuse occurs. It could be sex abuse, it could be
a marital rape, it could just be a regular old
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fashioned beating. Then there is the honeymoon phase where the
attacker tries to make up, tries to assume normalcy. It's
called the sweetheart phase. Then tension begins, building, building, building building.
There could be verbal assaults, brooding, a palpable anger in
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the air until the blow up and the next attack,
and then it happens over and over and over. Very complicated.
Now you know what's interesting. Straight back out to Mahealani
Richardson joining us from Hawaii News.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Now, Mahealani, this.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Victim has been called, was called the perfect wife, beautiful,
a great mother, and just.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
The icing on the cake. Isn't she a nuclear engineer? Yes,
highly educated Nancy.
Speaker 9 (12:23):
And that's why domestic violence experts are saying that this
really defies stereotypes. That's what they've told me in interviews.
Highly educated, both of them. Their friends have told her
what you news now that they were completely shocked by
this incident and to see this blow up on the
news because what they had seen, especially their housekeeper who
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had just seen them the week before. She said that
doctor Koenig was pleasant, he was respectful, he was quiet.
She thought that he was that way because he's a
very busy doctor. An Ariel a sweet one, a lovely woman.
They were both very gentle and kind to the kids.
So what it seemed to be a perfect family. And
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that's why people cannot believe that this happened.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
You know, another thing.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
To the outside world, they appeared to be a perfect couple,
and all of the friends there are inner circle actually
said that they weren't just happy, but that he outwardly
doubted upon her.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
What does that mean?
Speaker 10 (13:27):
Mahealani, the domestic violence experts that we've talked to had said,
this is why this is so unbelievable, because people have
images and thoughts about doctors.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
They are supposed to be trusted.
Speaker 9 (13:42):
They take an oath to do no harm, and so
that's why it defies all expectations. And as for Ariel, again,
she is a highly educated woman. We know that she
fought back during this incident. She refused to be pushed
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off this cliff.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Alboy should have been a romantic birthday retreat. Doctor Conan
urges his wife Ariel to take a seemingly innocent selfie
at the edge of the nw a Wanu Pailey lookout,
but her gut.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Tells there's something's off. Couple's therapy. We find out the
two had been in couple's therapy for months. There we
see the first crack in the relationship that something is wrong.
But you would thank doctor Bethany Marshall if they're both
committed to couple's therapy.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
They want to save the marriage.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
You know, not necessarily, because when I see couples like
this in treatment, often the perpetrator will try to have
power over me, So it's a very difficult treatment setting.
You know, Nancy, she might have been so adept at
making his world okay that they look like to the
perfect couple to everybody from the outside. She may have
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just been very good at pleasing him, not upsetting him.
Women like this tend to have a sixth sense sense.
They just know when the other person's going to get upset, So,
you know, she I think there could have been a
type of passivity that he exploited, even though she was
a very powerful person in her professional life.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I don't know that it's a sixth sense, doctor Bethany.
It may be an intuition, but I think when you've
lived through it so many times that it's like muscle memory.
You know instinctively things are about to blow. Because you've
been through it so many times, you know instinctively the
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warning signs. But I mean, having lived through so much
abuse we're now learning I don't know what led her
to agree to go up the side of that sheer
cliff where she looks down facing death, and this after
a brutal beating with a rock.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
To her skull. You know another thing.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Straight back out to Philip Dubay, veteran trial lawyer joining
us from the LA jurisdiction.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Did you hear what we last reported?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
He had it all set up, the romantic vacation, having
family members, the children.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Relatives stay away.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
This was a celebration for her thirty six birthday, and
he drags her up that cliff on her birthday, but
he made sure nobody else was around. He wanted quality
alone time translation no witnesses, Dubate, I mean when maya
husband says, hey, let's.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Go x, I want to take the children.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I've been taking trips with him since college. I'm fine,
We've been on plenty of trips. I want to be
with the children. But no, he didn't want the boys
to come along. Have you thought that through, Dubay?
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Of course I have, but it's still a heavily visited
too out path and trail. You got people from all
over the world there, and to suggest it merely because.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I didn't ask you that well, I asked you, why
didn't you want the boys? To come.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
The reason why is because it's a weekend away. Just
it's a date night, if you will, a date get
away weekend, so you don't want to have to deal
with the kids. They have a very fancy life. They
can afford Anna away for a couple of days and
if they're trying to work on the marial with the kids.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Let me ask you, Philip debate, do you get children
not yet? Well, let me tell you, when you have
children and you love your children, you want to be
with them. I wish that happiness for you. You know,
deal with them. This would be a great trip for
the boys. But no, he wants to get.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Her off to himself.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You know, I'm not going to get a straight answer
out of you, really, Hernandez. He's clearly isolating her away
from the family so he can get her alone and
throw her off that clip.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
It's so obvious.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
Absolutely, this was a planned, meticulously planned attack. It wasn't
appear to be a moment of rage. I mean, they're
right at the hike. There was a lot of dangerous cliffs.
He planned it. He took her away from the family,
he isolated her on this dangerous cliff, and it was
obviously planned from the.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Beginning, obviously planned, and there's more to it than that.
In addition to the throwing off the cliff scheme, he
also took with him while what a coinky dink, he
happened to have a syringe full of clear liquid with him. Yeah,
that's not premeditated, But I want to focus on the
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fact that he isolates her away from her family, away
from her parents, away from her children, the things she
loved the most, gets her along on this cliff not
the first time. What is it about a romantic getaway
that inspires murder?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Listen?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Christy Chen and Robert Dawson married in February, but waited
five months to take the honeymoon of a lifetime in Fiji.
The couple chose the luxurious Turtle Island Resort, an exclusive,
secluded locale with prices that run thousands of dollars a night.
Resort staff said the couple drank and partied on the
beach with other guests, but then the couple argued over
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Daustin's flirtatious dancing with someone else. The Dawsons then left
the party, but their argument continued back to their private bungalow.
Guests next door said they hurt, arguing a loud scream
and then silence. Chen was found slumped in the tiny
space between the toilet and the wall of the bathroom
and their bungalow, covered in blood. The lid of the
toilet cistern was cracked and broken.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
He immediately tries to leave the jurisdiction there at Turtle Island,
I've been told it's one of the most beautiful places
in the world. This after they're both drinking, get inebriated
on the beach and she's dancing, and that makes him
that angry. Doctor Bethany Marshall, I consider that just an
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excuse anger. She didn't sleep with anyone, she didn't kiss anyone,
she didn't hold anybody's hand.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Everybody was dancing and she was dancing, and that was
his excuse to start beating her. They're only five months
into the marriage, for Pete's sake.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
But you know, Nancy abusers are often very disregulated, meaning
that they will have some small perception like oh, she's
flirting with somebody else, and then that turns into like
a massive internal earthquake, and then they can't self regulate,
and it's like their brains go offline. So I'm not
trying to say this isn't premeditated. But on the other hand,
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they are not to mix my metaphors, but they're always
about to just boil over and they notoriously have very
poor impulse control.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, you know, Bill Hernandez joining me,
domestic sex assault expert, detective in California, And Bill, have
you ever noticed, and I'm using men as the example
because typically, and by a large majority, they're the attacker.
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Have you ever noticed when the man an abusive relationship
is cheating, he then blames his wife his partner, of
cheating when she's not. It's kind of like a guilty conscience,
and then they project that onto the woman and use
it as an excuse to beat them.
Speaker 8 (21:32):
I see that happen quite often. They often project whatever
they're doing onto their partner and then, you know, use
that as an excuse for their outburst, whether it be
violent or verbal.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I'm just trying to imagine what Ariel felt, what went
through her mind after fighting off a syringe attack. We
think after being bludgeoned in the face and head with
a rock, then looking at death on the edge of
that cliff something about vacations and so called romantic getaways.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
What about Kenneth and Christy.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Kenneth and Christy Manzanarus are living the American dream, high
school sweethearts. They're married with three daughters. The Manzanares are
joined by Christie's brothers and parents on an Alaskan family
cruise aboard the Emerald Princess Cruise ship. Other passengers aboard
here screaming and see Kenneth Manzanares running in the hall
covered in blood. At first, passengers think the commotion is
part of a murder mystery dinner taking place about the
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same time. Then one of the three Manzanaras girls begs
for help, saying their mom and dad had a fight.
Christy Manzanarius, also bloody, is dead. Kenneth Manzanares tries to
drag the body to the ship's railing. A witness grabbed
Christi by the ankle and pulls her back in the room.
Kenneth's told the witness she wouldn't stop laughing at me,
and told the FBI, my life is over.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Straight out to Mahealani Richardson joining us from Hawaii News.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Now Mahealani in this case.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That we just discussed Kenneth and Christie Manzanis, she was
laughing at something her husband did or said, and he
used that as an excuse to begin meeting her and
kill her.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
With the children in the next room.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
On another romantic getaway, the children raised the alarm. That
night on the cruise ship, they were having a murder
mystery dinner, and witnesses thought this was part of the production,
but it was a real murder. Then he tries to
drag her body to the edge of the cruise ship
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and get rid of it. Now, in that case, Kenneth
Manzaneis stated she wouldn't quit laughing at me, and that
was his excuse for killing her. In this case that
we're talking about now, the beloved doctor and the perfect wife,
he accused her of having a.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Sex affair, which I don't believe happened.
Speaker 9 (24:03):
Well, Nancy, that's what she says in documents, And what
was really interesting is that she says that he accused
her of having an extramarital affair. She also says that
in the months leading up to this incident that he
sexually assaulted and abused her. And so we have been
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learning that there is a history of abuse, just bits
of information, a history of abuse before this terrible incident.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Harryel Konig hesitates to take a selfie with her husband
so close to the edge of Hawaii's Nuawanu Pley Cliffs.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Her instincts proved right as.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
We go to air tonight, chilling details emerging about the
day a so called beloved and wealthy doctor lures his
perfect wife to a sheer cliff in Hawaii over her
objection she did not want to go on the trail again.
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Is this something about romantic getaways that inspires murder, the
murder very often of someone's wife, the mother of their children,
or is that part of the plan. For instance, doctor
Scott Roston.
Speaker 11 (25:21):
Doctor Scott Roston and his bride honeymoon aboard the cruise
ships Star Dancer three am, Roston reports his wife has
gone overboard. At first, he says she has been blown
off the jogging track. He then says he recalls Karen
falling overboard as he tries without success to catch her.
Ship's crew report Rosston has triangular gouges on his face
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in a four inch scratch. When Karen's body is found
thirty miles southwest of San Diego. There are signs of
hemorrhage in her neck and eyes, and her neck bones
have evidence of manual strangulation. Rawston tries one more far
fetched explanation, saying Israeli agents killed Karen because of a
book he published. Broston has been convicted in Karen's death.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Good gravy, Philip Debay.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
First, he says, his wife, and this is on their honeymoon,
was quote blown off the cruise ship's jogging track.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
First of all.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Then he says, Israeli agents killed her because of a
book he published.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
What defense attorney told him to say that?
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Well, did it ever occur to anybody that it's true?
Have you ever been on that?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Of course it never occurred to me that is really
agous killed.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Her because of his book? No, that never crossed my mind.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
Of course, not because you want to give the defense
the shaft, that's why. But did it ever occur to you?
The truth is stranger than fiction at times, that's his defense.
Let him put it.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Up, starting to believe it right now?
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Well, I mean, let's let a jury decide rather than
exclude it. Yes, it might be they did. They convicted him,
but sometimes that's all you got. And in the defense world.
You're just glad to even have something to say at times.
And if that's what he said, the jury didn't buy it,
then you'll let the chips fall where they may. Unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I can't believe it. You actually spoke the truth. Debay. Sure,
I guess even a.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Dumpster gets a stake once in a while. Now, wait
a minute. Did you start your explanation by asking me,
have I ever gone jogging on a cruise ship.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Or just been on a cruise ship? Let me tell
you what You're a yes, many.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Many times, specifically Disney cruises.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
You get some pretty powerfuls. You get some powerful yes.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I've jogged and walked on a cruise ship on their
jogging trail with my daughter, who weighs about eighty pounds,
and never once did I fear the wind was going to.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Blow her overboard?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
What like Mary, Papa's just take off with an umbrella,
and you know, nor did I fear Israeli ages We're
going to shoot us at in.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
I understand, and I'm telling you it was a fantastical
fact pattern. And whether or not a jury bisea that's
the issue. And he lost. I understand that, but it's
not to say that a person could not relate, particularly
those who have been on cruises before, that there are strong,
heavy winds on the top deck. Remember that scene from
The Titanic, you see the couple out there holding their arms.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Out that it's not real. That was a movie.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
Oh, of course, nothing is real if you need it
in real life. Okay, but it's certainly based on.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
We even know what that meant.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Nothing's real if you need it in real life.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Ps.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
We researched and it came out at trial the winds
were five miles an hour.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Okay, well not really a nor' easter.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
You can be impeached with an almanac.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yes you can, but say you've got it bass Ackwards.
The defense said that not me. They did and they
were impeached. You know what, I'm not getting anywhere with you.
Let's go to Emily jan Schwartz just twenty two.
Speaker 12 (28:54):
Emily Jean Swartz twenty two, is reported missing after her
husband Joseph for Lazzo, returns from the couple's anniversary trip
without her. For Lozo says he and Emily argue and
she storms off. After a lengthy police interrogation, for Laso
admits that while Emily is lying on the bed in
their converted travel bus. He grabs his glock handgun and
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shoots her in the head twice for Loazzo then uses
a handsaw to dismember the body, placing parts in garbage
bags in the camper.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Debai, Did he think nobody would notice that they go
on an anniversary trip and it comes back without her?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
It's like Brian laundry. Yeah, where's Gabby?
Speaker 13 (29:34):
What?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
She was right there in the Ford transit when we
took off across the country.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
What happened?
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Yeah, he's going to have to come up with some
kind of a story as to how she came to
her to minds at the hands of somebody else, or
by accident or natural causes. But not once it will
he point the finger at himself. But he will have
some type of an explanation. And what could it be?
Who knows? Maybe she took off on her own, you know,
or maybe she slipped in Faalfell and her life somehow,
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or maybe he, in the fact, had a hand in it.
But is that proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he
snuffed her out. It's not enough evidence, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I'm very curious about why these attacks on why spouse's
girlfriends happen on romantic occasions like the anniversary, like the honeymoon.
But joining me right now before I throw that to
our renowned shrink doctor Bethany a special guest now joining
us doctor Catherine Hannan, chief reconstructive plastic surgery at Veterans
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Affairs Medical Center in DC. Now, I guarantee you she's
seen a lot of reconstructive surgery at Veterans Affairs, owner
of Washington Women Plastic Surgery. Well, hold on, doctor Hannon,
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Were you were there when the attempt occurred.
Speaker 13 (30:57):
I was on a spring break with my family on
who actually staying on the North Shore, and there were
I was. I didn't know about the incident at the time,
but received some text messages from concerned friends when they
heard that there was an incident with antsysiologist attacking his wife.
And my husband happens to be an anis causiologist. So
fortunately I was able to lay everyone's fears that I
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was okay. But it's such a devastating story. I'm still
my stars could.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Happen, doctor Hannon? People actually thought it was you, well, they.
Speaker 13 (31:27):
Knew friends and family knew I was on vacation on
o Wahu and my husband is an anisthesiologist.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
So Wow Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Doctor Catherine Hannah joining us, a renowned plastic surgeon. I
wanted to ask you about the case we just discussed
about the honeymoon attempt where Dubey valiantly tried to defend
the husband who claimed that winds had blown his wife
off the deck and or Israeli agents had killed her
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because of a book he published. How would he explain
triangular gouges on his face and a four inch.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Scratch.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I want to ask you about those triangular gouges on
his face, but also the hemorrhage in her.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Neck and eyes and neck bones. What that means?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Because her body was found many many miles away. But
what let's start with the victim. What does that mean
regarding hemorrhage.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
In her neck and eyes? What is that?
Speaker 13 (32:44):
So it's pretty significant and consistent with asphyxiation. There's usually
other patterns too, like you can look for finger marks
on the neck. You don't know if he used other
instruments to try to strangulate her, but that pressure on
the neck, the blood can't flow to the brain from
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the heart and back down, so oxygen ceases to the
brain and you get little blood vessels breaking all over
the place.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Doctor Hannon, what about the triangular gouges on his face.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I guess the Israeli agents did that too.
Speaker 13 (33:21):
My assumption is it's fingernails. There are all kinds of
I don't typically do my nails with acrylic or anything
like that, but they can often be pointy shaped and
be consistent with that kind of defense move if she's
trying to get him, if he's on top of her,
she's trying to push him off. That can certainly be
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one of the ideologies of how that happened.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Doctor Catherine Hannon, I want to focus just one moment
on the fact that not only did the so called
beloved a doctor in this case, comment his wife with
a syringe full of clear liquid, she fought that off.
We have now deduced, in addition to dragging her to
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the edge of the cliff, we also know we are
now learning by physical examination, that he bludgeoned her.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
In the head and face with a rock before the cliff.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Have you noticed, doctor Hannon, that very often women are
disfigured either their genitals, their breasts, or their face in attacks, I.
Speaker 13 (34:40):
Do see that. I have seen quite a few, unfortunately,
victims of domestic intimate partner violence. It's often bruises from
I assume hand fist punching. Sometimes those don't leave permanent marks,
but we do see permanent scars on the face. I
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don't see as much of the genital violence. I think
more emergency room doctors and gynecologists see that. But yes,
there is an attempt to take that beauty away. It's
a control issue, is all I can assume.
Speaker 11 (35:14):
At first, Ariel thinks Gertthard is playing around, but when
he shots her toward the edge of the cliff again,
fear sets in Ariel, now believing her husband is trying
to kill her. Ariel dives to the ground away from
the edge, and her husband is immediately on her, pinning
her down. The anesthesiologist pulls a syringe in a vial
from his bag and attempts to fill the syringe to
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inject her. Ariel manages to knock the syringe from Koenig's hands,
and the doctor briefly digs in his bag again, possibly
looking for another Then he changes his mind, instead reaching
for a rock.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Koenig bashes his wife in the head repeatedly to doctor
Catherine Hannon.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
What have we learned about the injuries to her skull
and face before she's dragged to the cliff's edge.
Speaker 13 (36:01):
My understanding is that she's bleeding. There was evidence that
the hikers that notified police saw lots of blood, So
the scalp the face bleeds excessively as anyone who knows
who's gotten a small cut. Even so, we know that
it probably was some facial lacerations. Who could have been scalped,
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And then oftentimes, if you're defending yourself, you can get
injuries to your hand as well. So I don't know
if she actually had a brain injury at that time
that would have impaired her ability to fight back further
as he dragged her.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Now, it's amazing to me, Mayhlani Richardson joining us from
Hawaii News now that she actually was like clinging onto
a tree. Yet he lures her then says, quote, get
back over there. I'm so sick of you. He says
that to her. Then she realizes this is real. What
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more have we learned about that syringe that he had
conveniently in his bag?
Speaker 9 (37:06):
Well, Nancy, it's important to remember that before that she
gets up into the tree, he has her bag and
cell phone, so she doesn't have belongings anymore. As for
that syringe, we have learned that she didn't know the
substance inside the syringe, and so she feared because he's
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an anesthesiologist, that he has access to potentially lethal medication.
So she fears for her life. And during this struggle
we've learned that he allegedly reached into his bag. He
already had another vial in his hand, and he allegedly
reached into his bag and she feared it was another syringe.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Now, as you're taking a look at the so called
perfect couple, it all comes crashing down when the two
on her thirty sixth birthday, leaving the children behind, go
to a.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Sheer cliff's edge.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Doctor Bethany Marshall Philip Dbay cannot explain his way out
of this. The syringes the doctor took with him, that's
clear premeditation, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
He was planning to do this alleged crime. But I
think that there's a type of clumsiness too. I mean
putting on her tree and then pushing her to the
cliff's edge and then trying to use a syringe.
Speaker 7 (38:27):
It's like the doctor had this.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
Illusion of complete power like he has over his patients
when he does antithesiology, when he anesthetizes them. He thought
he could kind of anesthetize her too, so the illusion
of power slipped when she had a dawning of realization.
She knew what was happening and she started to protect herself.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Bill Hernandez, Why they attack to her face and skull,
I've seen that so many times. By the time I
would get a don Reel domestic relations attack, it would
be a felony such as aggravated as salt, aggravated battery
where the victim loses use of a limb or an eye,
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or they can't hear where you actually lose use a
part of your body, or a murder. And I would
always see facial attacks where the head is totally bashed
in the face is disfigured.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Why. I'm sure you've got a theory.
Speaker 9 (39:28):
Well.
Speaker 8 (39:28):
A lot of times it is to disfigure them so
that other people will not find them attractive. But in
this case, I think he was also trying to knock
her unconscious so he could throw her off the cliff
and making it appear as if she accidentally fell off
the cliff and it was an accidental death, so making
it a staged homicide.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
In this case, Ariel struggles against her husband's vicious attack
and tries to shield her face with their hands. Conig
tries swinging, crushing Ariel's thumb with the rock. Ariel starts
screaming for help, and a pair of hikers rush up
the trail after hearing her cry, the hiker's approach and
starts shouting at Koning, who immediately stops hitting Ariel, drops
the rock and takes off down the trail. Ariel weakly
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crawls toward her rescuers, sobbing he tried to kill me
as they dial nine one one.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
After this brutal attack, we learn so much more about
what happened behind closed doors. Take a listen from our
forensic Kho N two.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
When you walk into their home, you felt the happiness,
you felt the love in the atmosphere and inlight. Like
I said, it's just shocking.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Ariel's petition for a restraining order against her husband reveals
the harrowing details of Koenig's attack on his wife and
the mother of his children. Ariel says she has no
idea what was in the vile Konig tried to inject
her with, but fears it was deadly medication stolen from
his workplace. Ariel also claims Koenig told his adult son
that he tried to kill her just minutes after the attack.
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Ariel has little explanation for why Konig tried to kill her,
dear it stems from his belief she had an affair.
Ariel writes in her filing that her husband has recently
physically and sexually abused her.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
From our forensic ko n two straight out to Mahealani
Richardson joining us Emmy Award winning anchor Hawaii needs now, Mayhealani,
we are learning so much in that restraining order, for instance.
Speaker 9 (41:21):
Well Nancy, in that restraining order, we learned that during
this alleged violent attack that doctor Koenig, she says that
he tried to bash her, not just repeatedly, but she
uses a number ten times, and she fought back. She
threw herself to the ground, knowing that she could potentially
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be thrown off this cliff, and in the struggle, he's
on top of her, she's on top of him. There
is a struggle, she's grabbed by the hair. According to
the documents, he pushes her face into the ground, and
in her attempt to fight back, she bid.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
His forearm, or what she thought was his forearm.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
In the last days, we learn the so called good
a doctor tries to hide his face from view. I
wonder why we also learn in those court documents that
she Ari Yelle accuses her husband, the doctor, viciously beating
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her over and over and sex assaulting her during the
marriage leading up to that. Sheer cliff drop.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
If you know or think you know anything.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
As a state builds its case, please dial eight and
zero eight nine five eighty three hundred, repeat eight and
zero eight eighty three hundred. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.
Speaker 13 (43:01):
Give
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, The wife of a beloved
doctor faces death at a sheer cliff's edge on a
romantic getaway. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
After relocating from Pennsylvania to Maui, annisteesiologist doctor Gerhard Konig
plans a romantic birthday getaway for his wife on the
rocky cliffs of Oahu Hooi.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Facing death on a sheer cliff on a romantic getaway?
Can you imagine the terror she felt that must have
coursed through her body looking down at a great height
on a very narrow trail. Joining me an all star
panel to make sense of what we know now?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
But who are these people? Listen?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Gerhard Konig, an anesthesiologist and professor at the University of
Pittsburgh Medical Center, falls head over heels for nuclear power
plant project engineer Aril. Despite their ten year age gap,
Gerhart and Ril are married in twenty eighteen, have their
first baby boy in twenty twenty, and another two years later.
In twenty twenty three, The couple decides to follow one
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of Gerhart's dreams and move from Pennsylvania to Maui.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Hawaii.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Gerhart becomes a partner at the Anesthesia Medical Group and
frequently works at Maui Memorial Medical Center, while Ril retains
her job at Tara Power.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Again joining us an all star Panueld makes sense of
what we are learning, what happened on.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
That narrow path on the.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Drop of a sheer cliff's edge, straight out to special
guests joining me four time Emmy Award winning Anchor Investigative
reporter at Hawaii News now joining us Mahealani Richardson.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Mahalani, thank you so much for being with us.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
First of all, tell me about this cliff, the sheer drop.
You know, my husband is afraid hines. He can't even
look down, he can't ride a Ferris whale nothing.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
So tell me about this location. Well, this location is
off the Puly Lookout. It is one of the most
popular destinations on the island of Oahu besides Diamond Head.
And the reason being is on the island of Oahu,
it is just fifteen minutes away from downtown Honolulu. So
the trail that they went on is up the Pullpuka Trail.
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It is an off limits trail. The State of Hawaii
does not sanction people to go there, but it is
still popular and you can see those cliffs. It has
a wide sweeping view of Windward, Oahu. And when people
go up this very narrow, very dangerous trail, at the
top of it is a pukah, a hole. It is
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six feet wide and people can see through the mountain
like a window to Windward, oh Ahu. And why so
many people like to go there?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Doctor Bethany Marshall joining US, high profile psychoanalyst out of
la author of deal Breaker, and you can see her
now on peacock. She's at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Thrill
seekers Why did.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
They do it?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But let me just say the wife did not want
to do this. She did not want to go on
that narrow trail. But what is it about thrill seekers?
You know, doctor Bethany Marshall. You and I talked about
this when it happened. We took the children to Gatorland
to see Old Florida. My son wanted to zip cord
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across very high up across a big lake full of gators.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I mean my head. It was going off like one
of those arcade games.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
No, I didn't let him, and it's very hard for
me to say no to John David. But the thrill,
why the people want that thrill?
Speaker 6 (03:56):
You know, Nancy, There's a drive that we actually share
in common with all mammals, and it's kind of like
a foraging drive. It's like when you want to go
out explore the world, have adventures, learn new and amazing things.
It is something that we all have, and some people
are just able to switch that switch on and enjoy
it and explore the world. But in this case, I
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look at this as a beautiful, beautiful setting. But gosh,
I would be really careful on a trail like that,
especially since the public is not even supposed.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
To go there, Doctor Bethany, there is a big difference
and me wanting to take the twins to see new
and different things like Yosemite, the Arch in Saint Louis,
the Lewis and Clark Trail, the Great Confluence of the
Mighty Mississippi and the Muddy Missouri, and risking your life,
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risking your life, I mean, you just heard Mayolani Richardson
state that this is off limits, that the government, the
state does not sanction anybody going on this trail. Here
she ends up facing death on that narrow trail is
exactly what they said, don't do.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
But Nancy, now you're going to get me on my
favorite topic, which is sociopathy. And if this alleged crime
is true, I don't know completely what happened on that trail.
Is that people who fall into this personality disorder have
a lot of inner emptiness in boredom, so they seek
out stimulating activities. They like to break the law, they
like to have.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Heights they like.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
They won't just ski down a mountain, they will helicopter ski,
they'll jump out of a helicopter. So the more that
they can push the limits, the more alive they feel.
So I'm curious about this population who's actually trespassing and
breaking the law and hiking in this particular spot. I
wouldn't want to go there, and if I were the wife,
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I'd be quite suspicious of it was somebody who has
a medical license but is actually trespassing on public property.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I've got a very strong feeling, Philip, do you Bay
joining me? High profile defense attorney joining us out of
the California jurisdiction, Philip Dubay, I don't think the beloved
doctor dragged his wife up the side of that mountain
in Hawaii just for thrills. So how can you look
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at a jury and say he was just.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Adventurous b s. I can't wait to hear this.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
I'm not aware of any evidence that he took her
off the trail. This is a very heavily foot traffic
area where there are witnesses glore. You cannot believe how
many people from all over the world are at the
New Uanu poly lookout point. And it's not there just
to craft a place to commit the perfect homicide, but
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rather it's a panoramic viewpoint that is available on everything.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Shut him up.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I cannot believe Dubay just managed to work into the
Senate's panoramic viewpoint.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I don't think he dragged his wife up there to
take her off the trail. I think he dragged her
up there to throw her off the trail. I mean,
can you look at me, Dobay with a straight face
and argue that was not his intent.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
She didn't want to go up there, she didn't want
to take the trail.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
She tried to hang on to a tree for Pete's sake,
according to what we have learned.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
But no, he insisted on a selfie at the sheer.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Drop at the edge of the path on a cliff
up there in the clouds, Philip Dubay.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
She didn't want to go.
Speaker 7 (07:43):
Yeah, but somehow she managed to get up there. I
sincerely doubt that they're going to be able to prove
beyond a reasonable doubt that he was holding her by
the collar, by the back of the neck and just
dragging her all the way up. I don't know how
many thousands of feet just so we could knock her
off diamond head there. It's ridiculous. I think that when
the jury has the opportunity to flesh out the facts,
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they're going to see that this is poetry in motion
and that he's not an octopus.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Well did you just call this poetry in motion? Did
he say that?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Okay, you did say this is poetry in motion? Then
how in the hay does she get her head totally
bashed in?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
This is a yes note. Did you just call this
poetry in motion?
Speaker 7 (08:28):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
With a capital y again joining me in All Star panel,
Let me go straight out to Bill Hernandez, Domestic Violence
sex assault Detective, California. Never a lack of business in
that jurisdiction.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Bill, Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
You know, very often Bill, in situations like this, we
see the wife going along with all the husband's hair
brained ideas to placate the husband.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
This is an example a true I've given many many times.
This is not from court when I prosecuted felonies. This
is from volunteer work at the Battered Women's Center. I
had a very well connected executive, a corporate executive, call
home to his battered wife. She was also the perfect
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wife and tell her he was bringing people home.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
To make Mexican food. She made tacos.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
He beat her into a coma because she didn't make enchiladas.
This woman would jump through hoops whatever the husband wanted
to avoid a beating, to placate.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Him, whatever the demand or the requests might be, just
in order to keep the peace.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
They had children. She didn't want the children to see this.
She didn't want the children to know what was going on.
He would take the phones out of the cords out
of the wall, very off of what he would leave
for work. And this was a very educated woman, much
like the victim in this case, Bill Hernandez. So when
the husband takes her for a romantic getaway, this wealthy
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doctor and assists they go on this trail together on
the special day. That day, of course she went along.
She didn't want to cause a scene or a problem.
Have you ever seen that happen?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Bill?
Speaker 8 (10:30):
Absolutely, It's all about course of control and power control
and that type of relationship. And quite often I see
this on a daily basis whenever I'm doing in my investigations.
Is all this power control that these people exert over
their spouses, and the spouses want to really make the
home safe and calm and comfortable. But yet you know
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they've got to do all these things in order to
make this other person happy, which is seemingly never able
to happen.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
You're right, Bill, it's never enough. It never makes the
spouse happy the partner. It's a circle. It's a circle.
You have the blow up where the beating or the
abuse occurs. It could be sex abuse, it could be
a marital rape, it could just be a regular old
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fashioned beating. Then there is the honeymoon phase where the
attacker tries to make up, tries to assume normalcy. It's
called the sweetheart phase. Then tension begins, building, building, building building.
There could be verbal assaults, brooding, a palpable anger in
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the air until the blow up and the next attack,
and then it happens over and over and over. Very complicated.
Now you know what's interesting. Straight back out to Mahealani
Richardson joining us from Hawaii News.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Now, Mahealani, this.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Victim has been called, was called the perfect wife, beautiful,
a great mother, and just.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
The icing on the cake. Isn't she a nuclear engineer? Yes,
highly educated Nancy.
Speaker 9 (12:23):
And that's why domestic violence experts are saying that this
really defies stereotypes. That's what they've told me in interviews.
Highly educated, both of them. Their friends have told her
what you news now that they were completely shocked by
this incident and to see this blow up on the
news because what they had seen, especially their housekeeper who
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had just seen them the week before. She said that
doctor Koenig was pleasant, he was respectful, he was quiet.
She thought that he was that way because he's a
very busy doctor. An Ariel a sweet one, a lovely woman.
They were both very gentle and kind to the kids.
So what it seemed to be a perfect family. And
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that's why people cannot believe that this happened.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
You know, another thing.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
To the outside world, they appeared to be a perfect couple,
and all of the friends there are inner circle actually
said that they weren't just happy, but that he outwardly
doubted upon her.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
What does that mean?
Speaker 10 (13:27):
Mahealani, the domestic violence experts that we've talked to had said,
this is why this is so unbelievable, because people have
images and thoughts about doctors.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
They are supposed to be trusted.
Speaker 9 (13:42):
They take an oath to do no harm, and so
that's why it defies all expectations. And as for Ariel, again,
she is a highly educated woman. We know that she
fought back during this incident. She refused to be pushed
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off this cliff.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Alboy should have been a romantic birthday retreat. Doctor Conan
urges his wife Ariel to take a seemingly innocent selfie
at the edge of the nw a Wanu Pailey lookout,
but her gut.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Tells there's something's off. Couple's therapy. We find out the
two had been in couple's therapy for months. There we
see the first crack in the relationship that something is wrong.
But you would thank doctor Bethany Marshall if they're both
committed to couple's therapy.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
They want to save the marriage.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
You know, not necessarily, because when I see couples like
this in treatment, often the perpetrator will try to have
power over me, So it's a very difficult treatment setting.
You know, Nancy, she might have been so adept at
making his world okay that they look like to the
perfect couple to everybody from the outside. She may have
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just been very good at pleasing him, not upsetting him.
Women like this tend to have a sixth sense sense.
They just know when the other person's going to get upset, So,
you know, she I think there could have been a
type of passivity that he exploited, even though she was
a very powerful person in her professional life.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I don't know that it's a sixth sense, doctor Bethany.
It may be an intuition, but I think when you've
lived through it so many times that it's like muscle memory.
You know instinctively things are about to blow. Because you've
been through it so many times, you know instinctively the
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warning signs. But I mean, having lived through so much
abuse we're now learning I don't know what led her
to agree to go up the side of that sheer
cliff where she looks down facing death, and this after
a brutal beating with a rock.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
To her skull. You know another thing.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Straight back out to Philip Dubay, veteran trial lawyer joining
us from the LA jurisdiction.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Did you hear what we last reported?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
He had it all set up, the romantic vacation, having
family members, the children.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Relatives stay away.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
This was a celebration for her thirty six birthday, and
he drags her up that cliff on her birthday, but
he made sure nobody else was around. He wanted quality
alone time translation no witnesses, Dubate, I mean when maya
husband says, hey, let's.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Go x, I want to take the children.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I've been taking trips with him since college. I'm fine,
We've been on plenty of trips. I want to be
with the children. But no, he didn't want the boys
to come along. Have you thought that through, Dubay?
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Of course I have, but it's still a heavily visited
too out path and trail. You got people from all
over the world there, and to suggest it merely because.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I didn't ask you that well, I asked you, why
didn't you want the boys? To come.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
The reason why is because it's a weekend away. Just
it's a date night, if you will, a date get
away weekend, so you don't want to have to deal
with the kids. They have a very fancy life. They
can afford Anna away for a couple of days and
if they're trying to work on the marial with the kids.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Let me ask you, Philip debate, do you get children
not yet? Well, let me tell you, when you have
children and you love your children, you want to be
with them. I wish that happiness for you. You know,
deal with them. This would be a great trip for
the boys. But no, he wants to get.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Her off to himself.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You know, I'm not going to get a straight answer
out of you, really, Hernandez. He's clearly isolating her away
from the family so he can get her alone and
throw her off that clip.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
It's so obvious.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
Absolutely, this was a planned, meticulously planned attack. It wasn't
appear to be a moment of rage. I mean, they're
right at the hike. There was a lot of dangerous cliffs.
He planned it. He took her away from the family,
he isolated her on this dangerous cliff, and it was
obviously planned from the.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Beginning, obviously planned, and there's more to it than that.
In addition to the throwing off the cliff scheme, he
also took with him while what a coinky dink, he
happened to have a syringe full of clear liquid with him. Yeah,
that's not premeditated, But I want to focus on the
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fact that he isolates her away from her family, away
from her parents, away from her children, the things she
loved the most, gets her along on this cliff not
the first time. What is it about a romantic getaway
that inspires murder?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Listen?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Christy Chen and Robert Dawson married in February, but waited
five months to take the honeymoon of a lifetime in Fiji.
The couple chose the luxurious Turtle Island Resort, an exclusive,
secluded locale with prices that run thousands of dollars a night.
Resort staff said the couple drank and partied on the
beach with other guests, but then the couple argued over
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Daustin's flirtatious dancing with someone else. The Dawsons then left
the party, but their argument continued back to their private bungalow.
Guests next door said they hurt, arguing a loud scream
and then silence. Chen was found slumped in the tiny
space between the toilet and the wall of the bathroom
and their bungalow, covered in blood. The lid of the
toilet cistern was cracked and broken.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
He immediately tries to leave the jurisdiction there at Turtle Island,
I've been told it's one of the most beautiful places
in the world. This after they're both drinking, get inebriated
on the beach and she's dancing, and that makes him
that angry. Doctor Bethany Marshall, I consider that just an
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excuse anger. She didn't sleep with anyone, she didn't kiss anyone,
she didn't hold anybody's hand.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Everybody was dancing and she was dancing, and that was
his excuse to start beating her. They're only five months
into the marriage, for Pete's sake.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
But you know, Nancy abusers are often very disregulated, meaning
that they will have some small perception like oh, she's
flirting with somebody else, and then that turns into like
a massive internal earthquake, and then they can't self regulate,
and it's like their brains go offline. So I'm not
trying to say this isn't premeditated. But on the other hand,
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they are not to mix my metaphors, but they're always
about to just boil over and they notoriously have very
poor impulse control.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, you know, Bill Hernandez joining me,
domestic sex assault expert, detective in California, And Bill, have
you ever noticed, and I'm using men as the example
because typically, and by a large majority, they're the attacker.
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Have you ever noticed when the man an abusive relationship
is cheating, he then blames his wife his partner, of
cheating when she's not. It's kind of like a guilty conscience,
and then they project that onto the woman and use
it as an excuse to beat them.
Speaker 8 (21:32):
I see that happen quite often. They often project whatever
they're doing onto their partner and then, you know, use
that as an excuse for their outburst, whether it be
violent or verbal.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I'm just trying to imagine what Ariel felt, what went
through her mind after fighting off a syringe attack. We
think after being bludgeoned in the face and head with
a rock, then looking at death on the edge of
that cliff something about vacations and so called romantic getaways.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
What about Kenneth and Christy.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Kenneth and Christy Manzanarus are living the American dream, high
school sweethearts. They're married with three daughters. The Manzanares are
joined by Christie's brothers and parents on an Alaskan family
cruise aboard the Emerald Princess Cruise ship. Other passengers aboard
here screaming and see Kenneth Manzanares running in the hall
covered in blood. At first, passengers think the commotion is
part of a murder mystery dinner taking place about the
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same time. Then one of the three Manzanaras girls begs
for help, saying their mom and dad had a fight.
Christy Manzanarius, also bloody, is dead. Kenneth Manzanares tries to
drag the body to the ship's railing. A witness grabbed
Christi by the ankle and pulls her back in the room.
Kenneth's told the witness she wouldn't stop laughing at me,
and told the FBI, my life is over.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Straight out to Mahealani Richardson joining us from Hawaii News.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Now Mahealani in this case.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That we just discussed Kenneth and Christie Manzanis, she was
laughing at something her husband did or said, and he
used that as an excuse to begin meeting her and
kill her.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
With the children in the next room.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
On another romantic getaway, the children raised the alarm. That
night on the cruise ship, they were having a murder
mystery dinner, and witnesses thought this was part of the production,
but it was a real murder. Then he tries to
drag her body to the edge of the cruise ship
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and get rid of it. Now, in that case, Kenneth
Manzaneis stated she wouldn't quit laughing at me, and that
was his excuse for killing her. In this case that
we're talking about now, the beloved doctor and the perfect wife,
he accused her of having a.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Sex affair, which I don't believe happened.
Speaker 9 (24:03):
Well, Nancy, that's what she says in documents, And what
was really interesting is that she says that he accused
her of having an extramarital affair. She also says that
in the months leading up to this incident that he
sexually assaulted and abused her. And so we have been
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learning that there is a history of abuse, just bits
of information, a history of abuse before this terrible incident.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Harryel Konig hesitates to take a selfie with her husband
so close to the edge of Hawaii's Nuawanu Pley Cliffs.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Her instincts proved right as.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
We go to air tonight, chilling details emerging about the
day a so called beloved and wealthy doctor lures his
perfect wife to a sheer cliff in Hawaii over her
objection she did not want to go on the trail again.
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Is this something about romantic getaways that inspires murder, the
murder very often of someone's wife, the mother of their children,
or is that part of the plan. For instance, doctor
Scott Roston.
Speaker 11 (25:21):
Doctor Scott Roston and his bride honeymoon aboard the cruise
ships Star Dancer three am, Roston reports his wife has
gone overboard. At first, he says she has been blown
off the jogging track. He then says he recalls Karen
falling overboard as he tries without success to catch her.
Ship's crew report Rosston has triangular gouges on his face
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in a four inch scratch. When Karen's body is found
thirty miles southwest of San Diego. There are signs of
hemorrhage in her neck and eyes, and her neck bones
have evidence of manual strangulation. Rawston tries one more far
fetched explanation, saying Israeli agents killed Karen because of a
book he published. Broston has been convicted in Karen's death.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Good gravy, Philip Debay.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
First, he says, his wife, and this is on their honeymoon,
was quote blown off the cruise ship's jogging track.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
First of all.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Then he says, Israeli agents killed her because of a
book he published.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
What defense attorney told him to say that?
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Well, did it ever occur to anybody that it's true?
Have you ever been on that?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Of course it never occurred to me that is really
agous killed.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Her because of his book? No, that never crossed my mind.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
Of course, not because you want to give the defense
the shaft, that's why. But did it ever occur to you?
The truth is stranger than fiction at times, that's his defense.
Let him put it.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Up, starting to believe it right now?
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Well, I mean, let's let a jury decide rather than
exclude it. Yes, it might be they did. They convicted him,
but sometimes that's all you got. And in the defense world.
You're just glad to even have something to say at times.
And if that's what he said, the jury didn't buy it,
then you'll let the chips fall where they may. Unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I can't believe it. You actually spoke the truth. Debay. Sure,
I guess even a.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Dumpster gets a stake once in a while. Now, wait
a minute. Did you start your explanation by asking me,
have I ever gone jogging on a cruise ship.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Or just been on a cruise ship? Let me tell
you what You're a yes, many.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Many times, specifically Disney cruises.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
You get some pretty powerfuls. You get some powerful yes.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I've jogged and walked on a cruise ship on their
jogging trail with my daughter, who weighs about eighty pounds,
and never once did I fear the wind was going to.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Blow her overboard?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
What like Mary, Papa's just take off with an umbrella,
and you know, nor did I fear Israeli ages We're
going to shoot us at in.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
I understand, and I'm telling you it was a fantastical
fact pattern. And whether or not a jury bisea that's
the issue. And he lost. I understand that, but it's
not to say that a person could not relate, particularly
those who have been on cruises before, that there are strong,
heavy winds on the top deck. Remember that scene from
The Titanic, you see the couple out there holding their arms.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Out that it's not real. That was a movie.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
Oh, of course, nothing is real if you need it
in real life. Okay, but it's certainly based on.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
We even know what that meant.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Nothing's real if you need it in real life.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Ps.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
We researched and it came out at trial the winds
were five miles an hour.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Okay, well not really a nor' easter.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
You can be impeached with an almanac.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yes you can, but say you've got it bass Ackwards.
The defense said that not me. They did and they
were impeached. You know what, I'm not getting anywhere with you.
Let's go to Emily jan Schwartz just twenty two.
Speaker 12 (28:54):
Emily Jean Swartz twenty two, is reported missing after her
husband Joseph for Lazzo, returns from the couple's anniversary trip
without her. For Lozo says he and Emily argue and
she storms off. After a lengthy police interrogation, for Laso
admits that while Emily is lying on the bed in
their converted travel bus. He grabs his glock handgun and
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shoots her in the head twice for Loazzo then uses
a handsaw to dismember the body, placing parts in garbage
bags in the camper.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Debai, Did he think nobody would notice that they go
on an anniversary trip and it comes back without her?
Speaker 3 (29:31):
It's like Brian laundry. Yeah, where's Gabby?
Speaker 13 (29:34):
What?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
She was right there in the Ford transit when we
took off across the country.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
What happened?
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Yeah, he's going to have to come up with some
kind of a story as to how she came to
her to minds at the hands of somebody else, or
by accident or natural causes. But not once it will
he point the finger at himself. But he will have
some type of an explanation. And what could it be?
Who knows? Maybe she took off on her own, you know,
or maybe she slipped in Faalfell and her life somehow,
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or maybe he, in the fact, had a hand in it.
But is that proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he
snuffed her out. It's not enough evidence, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I'm very curious about why these attacks on why spouse's
girlfriends happen on romantic occasions like the anniversary, like the honeymoon.
But joining me right now before I throw that to
our renowned shrink doctor Bethany a special guest now joining
us doctor Catherine Hannan, chief reconstructive plastic surgery at Veterans
(30:34):
Affairs Medical Center in DC. Now, I guarantee you she's
seen a lot of reconstructive surgery at Veterans Affairs, owner
of Washington Women Plastic Surgery. Well, hold on, doctor Hannon,
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Were you were there when the attempt occurred.
Speaker 13 (30:57):
I was on a spring break with my family on
who actually staying on the North Shore, and there were
I was. I didn't know about the incident at the time,
but received some text messages from concerned friends when they
heard that there was an incident with antsysiologist attacking his wife.
And my husband happens to be an anis causiologist. So
fortunately I was able to lay everyone's fears that I
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was okay. But it's such a devastating story. I'm still
my stars could.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Happen, doctor Hannon? People actually thought it was you, well, they.
Speaker 13 (31:27):
Knew friends and family knew I was on vacation on
o Wahu and my husband is an anisthesiologist.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
So Wow Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Doctor Catherine Hannah joining us, a renowned plastic surgeon. I
wanted to ask you about the case we just discussed
about the honeymoon attempt where Dubey valiantly tried to defend
the husband who claimed that winds had blown his wife
off the deck and or Israeli agents had killed her
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because of a book he published. How would he explain
triangular gouges on his face and a four inch.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Scratch.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I want to ask you about those triangular gouges on
his face, but also the hemorrhage in her.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Neck and eyes and neck bones. What that means?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Because her body was found many many miles away. But
what let's start with the victim. What does that mean
regarding hemorrhage.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
In her neck and eyes? What is that?
Speaker 13 (32:44):
So it's pretty significant and consistent with asphyxiation. There's usually
other patterns too, like you can look for finger marks
on the neck. You don't know if he used other
instruments to try to strangulate her, but that pressure on
the neck, the blood can't flow to the brain from
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the heart and back down, so oxygen ceases to the
brain and you get little blood vessels breaking all over
the place.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Doctor Hannon, what about the triangular gouges on his face.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I guess the Israeli agents did that too.
Speaker 13 (33:21):
My assumption is it's fingernails. There are all kinds of
I don't typically do my nails with acrylic or anything
like that, but they can often be pointy shaped and
be consistent with that kind of defense move if she's
trying to get him, if he's on top of her,
she's trying to push him off. That can certainly be
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one of the ideologies of how that happened.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Doctor Catherine Hannon, I want to focus just one moment
on the fact that not only did the so called
beloved a doctor in this case, comment his wife with
a syringe full of clear liquid, she fought that off.
We have now deduced, in addition to dragging her to
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the edge of the cliff, we also know we are
now learning by physical examination, that he bludgeoned her.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
In the head and face with a rock before the cliff.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Have you noticed, doctor Hannon, that very often women are
disfigured either their genitals, their breasts, or their face in attacks, I.
Speaker 13 (34:40):
Do see that. I have seen quite a few, unfortunately,
victims of domestic intimate partner violence. It's often bruises from
I assume hand fist punching. Sometimes those don't leave permanent marks,
but we do see permanent scars on the face. I
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don't see as much of the genital violence. I think
more emergency room doctors and gynecologists see that. But yes,
there is an attempt to take that beauty away. It's
a control issue, is all I can assume.
Speaker 11 (35:14):
At first, Ariel thinks Gertthard is playing around, but when
he shots her toward the edge of the cliff again,
fear sets in Ariel, now believing her husband is trying
to kill her. Ariel dives to the ground away from
the edge, and her husband is immediately on her, pinning
her down. The anesthesiologist pulls a syringe in a vial
from his bag and attempts to fill the syringe to
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inject her. Ariel manages to knock the syringe from Koenig's hands,
and the doctor briefly digs in his bag again, possibly
looking for another Then he changes his mind, instead reaching
for a rock.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Koenig bashes his wife in the head repeatedly to doctor
Catherine Hannon.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
What have we learned about the injuries to her skull
and face before she's dragged to the cliff's edge.
Speaker 13 (36:01):
My understanding is that she's bleeding. There was evidence that
the hikers that notified police saw lots of blood, So
the scalp the face bleeds excessively as anyone who knows
who's gotten a small cut. Even so, we know that
it probably was some facial lacerations. Who could have been scalped,
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And then oftentimes, if you're defending yourself, you can get
injuries to your hand as well. So I don't know
if she actually had a brain injury at that time
that would have impaired her ability to fight back further
as he dragged her.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Now, it's amazing to me, Mayhlani Richardson joining us from
Hawaii News now that she actually was like clinging onto
a tree. Yet he lures her then says, quote, get
back over there. I'm so sick of you. He says
that to her. Then she realizes this is real. What
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more have we learned about that syringe that he had
conveniently in his bag?
Speaker 9 (37:06):
Well, Nancy, it's important to remember that before that she
gets up into the tree, he has her bag and
cell phone, so she doesn't have belongings anymore. As for
that syringe, we have learned that she didn't know the
substance inside the syringe, and so she feared because he's
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an anesthesiologist, that he has access to potentially lethal medication.
So she fears for her life. And during this struggle
we've learned that he allegedly reached into his bag. He
already had another vial in his hand, and he allegedly
reached into his bag and she feared it was another syringe.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Now, as you're taking a look at the so called
perfect couple, it all comes crashing down when the two
on her thirty sixth birthday, leaving the children behind, go
to a.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Sheer cliff's edge.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Doctor Bethany Marshall Philip Dbay cannot explain his way out
of this. The syringes the doctor took with him, that's
clear premeditation, Nancy.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
He was planning to do this alleged crime. But I
think that there's a type of clumsiness too. I mean
putting on her tree and then pushing her to the
cliff's edge and then trying to use a syringe.
Speaker 7 (38:27):
It's like the doctor had this.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
Illusion of complete power like he has over his patients
when he does antithesiology, when he anesthetizes them. He thought
he could kind of anesthetize her too, so the illusion
of power slipped when she had a dawning of realization.
She knew what was happening and she started to protect herself.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Bill Hernandez, Why they attack to her face and skull,
I've seen that so many times. By the time I
would get a don Reel domestic relations attack, it would
be a felony such as aggravated as salt, aggravated battery
where the victim loses use of a limb or an eye,
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or they can't hear where you actually lose use a
part of your body, or a murder. And I would
always see facial attacks where the head is totally bashed
in the face is disfigured.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Why. I'm sure you've got a theory.
Speaker 9 (39:28):
Well.
Speaker 8 (39:28):
A lot of times it is to disfigure them so
that other people will not find them attractive. But in
this case, I think he was also trying to knock
her unconscious so he could throw her off the cliff
and making it appear as if she accidentally fell off
the cliff and it was an accidental death, so making
it a staged homicide.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
In this case, Ariel struggles against her husband's vicious attack
and tries to shield her face with their hands. Conig
tries swinging, crushing Ariel's thumb with the rock. Ariel starts
screaming for help, and a pair of hikers rush up
the trail after hearing her cry, the hiker's approach and
starts shouting at Koning, who immediately stops hitting Ariel, drops
the rock and takes off down the trail. Ariel weakly
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crawls toward her rescuers, sobbing he tried to kill me
as they dial nine one one.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
After this brutal attack, we learn so much more about
what happened behind closed doors. Take a listen from our
forensic Kho N two.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
When you walk into their home, you felt the happiness,
you felt the love in the atmosphere and inlight. Like
I said, it's just shocking.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Ariel's petition for a restraining order against her husband reveals
the harrowing details of Koenig's attack on his wife and
the mother of his children. Ariel says she has no
idea what was in the vile Konig tried to inject
her with, but fears it was deadly medication stolen from
his workplace. Ariel also claims Koenig told his adult son
that he tried to kill her just minutes after the attack.
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Ariel has little explanation for why Konig tried to kill her,
dear it stems from his belief she had an affair.
Ariel writes in her filing that her husband has recently
physically and sexually abused her.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
From our forensic ko n two straight out to Mahealani
Richardson joining us Emmy Award winning anchor Hawaii needs now, Mayhealani,
we are learning so much in that restraining order, for instance.
Speaker 9 (41:21):
Well Nancy, in that restraining order, we learned that during
this alleged violent attack that doctor Koenig, she says that
he tried to bash her, not just repeatedly, but she
uses a number ten times, and she fought back. She
threw herself to the ground, knowing that she could potentially
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be thrown off this cliff, and in the struggle, he's
on top of her, she's on top of him. There
is a struggle, she's grabbed by the hair. According to
the documents, he pushes her face into the ground, and
in her attempt to fight back, she bid.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
His forearm, or what she thought was his forearm.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
In the last days, we learn the so called good
a doctor tries to hide his face from view. I
wonder why we also learn in those court documents that
she Ari Yelle accuses her husband, the doctor, viciously beating
(42:30):
her over and over and sex assaulting her during the
marriage leading up to that. Sheer cliff drop.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
If you know or think you know anything.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
As a state builds its case, please dial eight and
zero eight nine five eighty three hundred, repeat eight and
zero eight eighty three hundred. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.
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