November 14, 2024 • 41 mins
On the morning of August 12, Ryan Borgwardt’s wife contacted authorities, reporting that her husband hadn’t returned from a kayaking trip on Green Lake the previous night and wasn’t answering his phone.
The Green Lake County Sheriff’s Office began a search around 5:32 p.m., focusing on Borgwardt’s last known location at Green Lake. Deputies soon located his vehicle and trailer parked near Dodge Memorial Park. About an hour later, authorities found a capsized kayak in the western part of the lake, where the water is approximately 220 feet deep.
They discovered the life jacket still attached to the kayak, and volunteers joined deputies in the search for Borgwardt.
Twenty-four hours into the search, crews deployed a drone and boats to perform a grid search of the lake. As efforts continued, Sheriff Mark Podoll announced that they were focusing on the lake’s deepest areas, covering hundreds of acres with the assistance of Bruce’s Legacy, a nonprofit specializing in search and recovery.
The sheriff indicated they were now searching for a body, believing Borgwardt drowned in the lake. Three cadaver dogs and a dive team were brought in to assist with recovery efforts.
Sheriff Podoll and his team then shifted their focus to reexamine the investigation from the beginning. They soon discovered that Canadian law enforcement had run Borgwardt’s name on August 13. Although Borgwardt’s passport was initially found at his home, investigators learned he had been issued a new passport on May 22 after reporting the original one lost.
Borgwardt’s wife, Emily, provided his laptop for investigation. A digital forensic analysis revealed that Borgwardt had replaced the hard drive and cleared all browser history the day he disappeared. Investigators believe he is now in Europe.
Further findings showed Borgwardt transferred funds to a foreign bank, changed his email address, and had been communicating with a woman from Uzbekistan before his disappearance.
The investigation also revealed that he had taken out a $375,000 life insurance policy seven months before vanishing and had purchased airline cards. Sheriff Podoll stated, after all they had uncovered, that Borgwardt is “not in our lake.”
Note: After our Crime Stories broadcast, the Green Lake County Sheriff's Office posted this message on its Facebook page, "We do not believe the Tick Tock video is Ryan. We are in contact with the interviewer. Thank you to all for alerting us of his existence. We have verified this is not Ryan by contacting people who know Ryan."
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Gregory Morse - Partner at the law firm of King Morse, PLLC. Current CJA counsel (Southern District of Florida), Former West Palm Beach Public Defender's Office. Author: "The Untested," website: kingmorselaw.com
- Keith Cormican - Underwater Search and Recovery Expert. Director, Bruce's Legacy. Searched for 23 days for Ryan in Green Lake.
- Dr. John Delatorre – Licensed Psychologist and Mediator (specializing in forensic psychology); Psychological Consultant to Project Absentis: a nonprofit organization that searches for missing persons; Twitter, IG, and TikTok – @drjohndelatorre
- Barry Golden – Former Senior Inspector for the U.S. Marshals Service, Owner of Golden Consulting and Investigations
- Baylee Boomhower - Mental Health Content Creator; TikTok: @authenticalpha/Instagram:@authenticalphaco/ Instagram: bayleeboomhower/; YouTube: @authenticalpha
- Alexis Tereszcuk - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a Wisconsin husband and father
of three. Is he dead drowned in a massive lake?
Is he missing? Or is he snugged up with his
Uzbekistan lover. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. Thank
(00:23):
you for being.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
A Wisconsin husband and father of three reported missing after
he never comes home from a kayaking day trip.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
On August twelfth, twenty twenty four, at five thirty two pm,
our office received a call from the Dutch County Sheriff's
office in reference to a subject that did not return
home that evening and the.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Last known location.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
He was was Green Lake. Deputy's headed that way Jeff
areas around the lake and found Ryan's vehicle along with
his trailer, parked in the area of Dodge Memorial Park.
(01:14):
We immediately deployed our vote and at six point thirty
one two of our deputies found a capsized kayak in
the western part of the lake in the area of
two hundred and twenty foot depth of water.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Where is the missing father of three? And we thought
dautiful and loving husband. His wife is refusing to comment
until she knows the truth about Ryan Borgwart, but this
is not about her. This is about him. She is
left with paying the house payment, taking care of the children,
(01:57):
and trying to move forward while they ask where's Daddy?
But my question is where is Ryan? Borg Wart Joining
me in All Star panel to make sense of what
we know right now. But listen to this.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
The last contact with the phone and with Ryan was
around ten forty five and.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
When we first.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Got it was around six o'clock the next morning.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I immediately called.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
My partners through the DNR and requested boats. My second
call was to Bruce's Legacy. Bruce's Legacy has helped us
in the past with drown memes that we've had on
our lake. And the reason why is because of the
depth of our lake. Our lake is two hundred and
thirty eight feet the largest inland lake in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
What a massive search? Before I go to Keith Kormackan,
the underwater search recovery expert and director of Bruce's Legacy
who searched for twenty three days, divers put in danger
to find the missing Dad, hold tight. Keith Cormanckan first
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to Alexis Tereschuk, joining us Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Alexis,
I want to start with Dad kayaking alone on the river.
Tell me about that. So he goes off on a
boy's trip, a solo trip, while his wife stays home
and takes care of the three children. Is that is that?
(03:36):
Am I understanding that correctly? It's exactly right for work?
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Goes off. He goes to this lake. It is. It's
a pretty big lake, and it is the actual deepest
lake inland in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And so he goes off. Oh my god, alexis summer, Alexis,
I looked it up. I researched the lake. I'm glad
you said. That is seven thousand, three hundred and forty
acres and twenty seven miles of shore and goes nearly
two hundred and forty feet deep. You're right, go ahead,
(04:08):
And it's summer.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
It's August, so it's Wisconsin for folks. Wisconsin's pretty far north.
It stays light much later there. So he goes for
an evening kayak. Wife is not suspicious at all something
he does. He's outdoorsy, he likes and they live near
this lake. It's part of their family life.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So he goes.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Kayaking, and at ten o'clock, about ten forty five at night,
he sends his wife a text and he says, Hey,
I'm about to head home now, and that is the
last thing that anyone heard from him.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Wow. So he goes kayaking and he's never heard from again.
Take a listen to what the Green Lake County Sheriff
Mark Padell says.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
We assembled around eight thirty that Monday morning to get
our plan in place as to what we were going
to do. As you can see in the screen behind
me shows the location of data guide that guided our search.
There was a number of things that we got from
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the phone that Ryan I had contact with his wife
and the last one where it shows you on there,
it says last pin. That was one where you told
her that he was going to be turning around.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
And heading towards shore soon.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
We then got another thing around the eleven fifty and
fifty ish and that was just the last thing that
we got on.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
The phone eleven fifty ish at night. I take it,
Alexis tres Chuck.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Yes, it wasn't night, it was that that evening. So
there was he said the text message to his wife.
He says, I'm heading back to shore, I meaning I'm
on the lake. I'm gonna head back to shore. Then
I'll drive home. And then they get one more pin
right on the area of the lake where he had
been kayaking where the first text message was sent from.
And that is nothing else from this phone.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And when is daddy reported missing?
Speaker 5 (06:08):
That night?
Speaker 6 (06:09):
She panics.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
His wife panics that night, but so let's talk with midnight.
The next day, she calls the police. They immediately first
thing in the morning, they send somebody, They send a
team out to the lake to look for him. This
isn't they at the time. They just thought perhaps he's drowned.
You know, lots of accidents can happen on the water.
So the police immediately go out to search. He is
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a dad of three. He is missing. The wife calls.
She has no idea of anything that would be wrong
with him and is panicked about it.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Okay, so the last paying is at eleven fifty at
night PM. She reports him missing. He said two different
things that night and the following morning. When did she
report him missing? Simply put that night. So mom immediately
reports him missing and the search is on. Straight out
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to Keith Kormickan joining US underwater Search Recovery expert director
Bruce's Legacy search for twenty three days in dangerous water
for Vorgwart. Explain to me Keith how side scan sonar
or sonar actually works well.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
Our sonar is a very sophisticated four foot long torpedo.
I have extra weight on it, so it weighs a
total of one hundred pounds that needs to be told
on a cable and it needs to be told to
practically ten feet off the bottom. That generates sonar images
of absolutely everything on the bottom. You can see rock formation,
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we can see tree benches and just very great detail.
So we cover an area of about one hundred feet
on each side of the boat, and we can't see
directly underneath the toe ficial We have to overlap, so
it does take some time and the yeah, we are
able to watch it on a screen in the boat
and mark targets and it gives us exact way points
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of the location of targets and such. Once we locate
any targets of injuries and we put their underwater robot down.
It has lights, cameras, recording capabilities, and its own sonar
who drive up to these targets and take a look
at them and see if what's what we're looking for
or not.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Another question, Keith cormickan, when you are out on this
dark water, could you explain how when you're looking at
sonar and everybody think a fish sonar A lot of
people use it when they're out fishing and you see
something you can't really tell exactly what it is. Keith Cormickan,
how do you tell a person from debris such as
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you know, a tree branch or some other form of debris.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Well, that's that's the part that takes a lot of practice.
You know, there's a lot of images we get of
bodies that are what I call no brainer, you know,
they they're easy to easy to identify. But the ones
that make me, you know, you know, pretty popular is
the ones that those those are the tougher images. They
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may be like ins, you know, in in in and
around the log weeds, debris. Uh so they kind of
blend in with the surrounding areas. So you know, I've
had I don't know, I've done this a lot. I
spend a lot of time every year doing it, so
I've kind of gained a I don't know what Naki
might say, to be able to identify bodies even in
(09:37):
the hardest I you know, way to identify them, so
and very fortunate.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Question. What is your response, how do you feel about
a twenty three day search when now we think this
guy may be snugged up with a lover in Hiszbekistan.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Well, my first initial response when I first heard it
about it is, you know, I honestly, my first response
was I was relieved because I had been second guessing
my capabilities for several days. Couldn't figure out, we know,
why could not find this guy. We covered this lake
more thorough than I've ever covered the lake. The second
(10:21):
reaction was, you know, I was there when the sheriff
hit the family with the bombshell of the new information,
and I seen the response to the family and it
was pretty horrifying news for them to see. You know.
The reaction is, you know, was very tough. So you know,
(10:42):
I felt a lot of remorse for them and what
they're going to be paced with. So that's very tough.
Speaker 8 (10:50):
You know.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
Yeah, I'm not happy with what he did. And we
encountered a lot of expenses, which in damage to our equipment.
So yeah, I'm not happy with what he did, the
choices he made. He you know, just people don't realize
all the expenses, and in the anguish that we how
much expenses?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
How much do you think you're out?
Speaker 7 (11:11):
Well, I know for sure the first two weeks I
spent about ten thousand dollars in sum in repairs, and
then I had to replace one of my pieces of
the equipment of forty five hundred dollars. So yeah, I
had a tough first two weeks. And you know, and
then I damaged a couple of props because of the
(11:33):
shallow water in some areas. So the Sheriff's apartment was
was very good about, you know, taking care of that,
in which in turn one of the local businesses actually
donated a couple of props, so that local community, it
was just amazing down there.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
An interesting piece of evidence is found on the like listen.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
There were some voters out there and one vote with
two bot two fishermen on casting along the bottom of
the lake, and they come.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Up with a fishing rod.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
That fishing rod was taken as evidence photograph and was
identified by the wife of the victim. So we continue
to search figuring that could have been a point of interest,
and at three thirtieth three forty five that same day, Tuesday,
(12:30):
we found someone called and said that they found a
tackle box. The stuff inside that tackle box had a
wallet and keys, then a license belonging to.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Riot search and rescue organizations. The Sheriff's office and volunteers
scour Wisconsin's Green Lake, but there's no sign the missing father.
(13:03):
Where is Ryan borg Wart? Is he dead? Did he drown?
Is he missing somehow? Or is he snugged up with
his lover in Zbekistan?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Those are the questions right now in joining me and
All Star Panel to make sense of what we know. Now,
we understand cadaver dogs are brought out on the water
a massive body of water seven three hundred and forty
acres twenty seven miles of shore two hundred and thirty
seven feet deep. Look at that the dangers to the
(13:38):
divers immense, now dangers to the cadaver dogs. And isn't
it true to Barry Golden, former US Marshall now pi
Bury cadaver dogs are especially trained to pick up a
cent in water, very difficult for the dog in that
(14:02):
type of water two hundred and thirty seven feet deep.
But dogs can't pick up a scan and.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Water, yes, and it's very taxing on these dogs. And
you know if it's a quick investigation or a quick search.
These dogs may pick up something or a body or
a scent of a body or something like that really quick.
But when this goes on and on and on, these
dogs get stressed out and they get tiring and they're
(14:29):
exhausted after a while. So sometimes they have to use
two and three dogs and work them in shifts to
keep on going. Because this is a huge lake, so
it's a big undergoing to get these dogs out there.
Sometimes every department doesn't have a cadaver dog and they
have to go to other departments to borrow those dogs.
Other canine dogs always come in and help out because
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these dogs get very exhausted searching and searching and searching
and walking through these woods.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And then a surprise Keith from Versus.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Legacy, and he said to me, he said, Sheriff. He said,
I've done a lot of searches and I can't find
He also told me that Sheriff, don't worried, not giving up.
He called the company and was asking for another piece
(15:22):
of equipment, a top notch star and it was a
new one. But it's going to be a couple of
weeks out. And we said we gotta go a different direction,
and they did. The direction we went was offline and
(15:44):
we found out that his name was a Run on
August thirteenth. Wow, yeah, that was something we didn't expect.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
That's the Green Lake County Sheriff Mark Puddell speaking to us.
You know, I've got to clarify Alexis Tereschuk joining US
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Sheriff says his name
was Run August thirteen. Now, remember he has his water
(16:17):
mishap on August eleven. What did the sheriff mean by
that his name was run? Ryan Borgwart's name was Run.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
What it happened was is that his passport was used
in Canada, so that at the border crossing it is
it was discovered they put his name, I suppose, into
a national database with his passport information and it showed
up as him going into Canada the next or two
days later. So went missing on August eleven. People started searching.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
After twenty three day search, putting lives at risk, dogs
at risk. I can't tell you. And I've been on
a lot of deep dives literally deep dives in dark
water all across the world. It can be very dangerous
(17:08):
think about it. But aside from that, what about his
wife and his children at home? To Bailly excuse me, sorry,
Bailly To doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist specializing in forensic psychology.
You can find him at resolution fcs dot com. Doctor Delatory,
(17:33):
How can you allow your wife, your spouse, and your
children to think you're dead while your passport lets you
enter Canada?
Speaker 9 (17:44):
Yeah, listen, we're going to talk about this guy, and
we're gonna I think we're gonna come up with some ideas.
If this is not really someone who is capable of
having a difficult conversation, This is a guy who's easily manipulated. Right,
He's constantly wanting attention, but he's not getting the attention
that he wants.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
You know, let me use a legal phrase on you, Delatory.
What the hell are you talking about? He is easily manipulated, Jackie.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Have I gone in said?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Is this just a bad dream? No? This is real? Delatory?
What are you saying he's easily manipulated? I asked you
about his wife and his children and all of those people,
the divers, the men and women out there risking their
lives at two hundred and forty feet below the surface,
trying to find this POC cares about? Can you tell
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me he's manipulating?
Speaker 9 (18:36):
He cares about something other than them, He cares about
things other than his family. He doesn't care that he
put an entire community at risk. He doesn't care about.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Saying to be lover in Isbekistan. Yes, then why are
you telling me he's easily manipulated? My rear end?
Speaker 9 (18:53):
Because I mean, could he be talking to someone who
is Pakistan? I mean sure, but he's most likely talking
to some man in Southeast Asia who's convinced him to
start donating all kinds of.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Okay, so control yourself, Okay, dilatory.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
You're worried that.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
He could be talking to a guy in his underwear
kneed j and not a hotty from his back stamp.
That's what you're focused on.
Speaker 9 (19:17):
I'm not worried about.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Why are you even talking about that?
Speaker 9 (19:19):
That's not what I asked you, But I'm not worried
about what he's asked you.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
How could you let your wife and children think you're dead.
I've lived through my fiance's murder. I know what it
feels like to think he's dead. And every time my
husband is late or he doesn't land on time. I think,
is he dead? That's what happens, That's what this woman
(19:44):
is probably still going through.
Speaker 9 (19:46):
You doesn't love his wife or his children anymore. He
doesn't love them anymore at all. He doesn't care about what.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Did he ever? Did he ever?
Speaker 9 (19:55):
Probably at some point, but certainly not now.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
You know, I just god deatory. I know you have
a lot of degrees, and you are renowned psychologist and mediator,
but I don't know what to think about you right now.
I ask you about how could you let your wife
and children think you're dead all this time when you're
shacked up with a haughtie in Zbekistan, or so we think,
(20:19):
And you talk to me about how he's minneapolated by
some naked guy online and whatever. I don't care. I
care about what he's done to his wife and family.
If in fact this is true, you know what control
and put him in the corner. I'm going to give
him a few minutes to think about what he has said.
(20:42):
Gregory Morse joining me, high profile lawyer with King and Morse,
current CGA Council Southern District of Florida, former public defender
and author of the untested on Amazon, he can find
him a kingmoselaw dot com. Gregory, what about it? Is
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this a crime if it's true?
Speaker 10 (21:08):
Well, no, it's not a crime. If it's true. People
lie to their spouses all the time. People tell their
spouses or their children they're going to the corner store
and they never come home. And even if it is
a crime, Nancy, it doesn't really matter because we don't
have an extradition treaty with Uzbekistan. If that's in fact
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where he is, maybe there could be a crime with
this passport application, But how do you approve he didn't
lose his passport. That's not an easy thing to prove,
and that's a low grade felony anyway. So even if
we had an extradition treaty with Uzbekistan, the government probably
wouldn't spend their time to.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Get him back.
Speaker 10 (21:49):
Maybe the moral police should be looking for him, but
the police police should stop wasting their time. And he
didn't do anything illegal as far as I could tell,
except maybe the passport thing.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I don't know who you're referring to as the moral police.
I guess me. I'm not the church lady. But haven't
you heard about prosecutions of people that fake their disappearance
while the government racks up thousands and thousands of dollars
while they're all out searching for the missing person.
Speaker 10 (22:22):
Well, he faked a disappearance to his wife and then
he left. She called and said he was missing. She
called the police and did these things. So you're transferring
that kind from that fault to him, not her fault.
But she took the acts that could be down the
path of criminal culpability.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Joining me right now is a very special guest, Billy Boomhauer,
mental health content creator. You can find her on TikTok,
Authentic Alpha, on Insta, Authentic Alpha Co. Billy Boomheuer. Before
I ask you any questions, I've just got to show this.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Why can you advice on anything?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
They go to is bekis Stan or stay here?
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Say that one more time I go to is Bekistan
or stay here?
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Do you have family there?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Why do you want to go to meet a woman?
To meet a woman? And it was as spack from.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Beekistan, from Pakistan?
Speaker 6 (23:23):
You don't like American women? Oh they're familiar.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
They're familiar. Is that a bad thing? I guess he
wants some strange as some of my defendants have said, Okay,
that's Billy Boomhauer, who's with us right now talking to
a guy that looks a lot like Bogwart. Okay, I
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didn't take his fingerprint or get his DNA buckle swab,
but that looks like Bogwart to me? Uh is it? Wait?
Excuse me, but that looks like Borgwart to me? Joining me,
Bailey Boomhower, Bailey, what prompted you to ask advice from
the Borgwart look alike?
Speaker 11 (24:08):
I was just doing my advice series and then this
man came up on his bike and then started asking
all those questions, and he after like, looking into more,
it looks like it could be Ryan.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Take a listen to more of Bailey Boomhauer's interview with
a man we believe to be missing Dad, Ryan Borgwart.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
So you've given up on meeting someone here? No, I'm married.
Oh yeah, but you you want to find someone else
empty nest?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I'm not sure, So I'm.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Asking you we empty nest? What do you mean? My
kids are?
Speaker 9 (24:48):
Wait?
Speaker 6 (24:50):
So you want to find like adopt a child?
Speaker 4 (24:53):
No, No, I want to find a companion that I'm
content with and more.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
I thinks that requires you to divorce someone first? Well,
or is she okay with that?
Speaker 11 (25:10):
That's a good question.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Have you guys had a conversation about that?
Speaker 7 (25:19):
So?
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Would it be like a thropple or something?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
No?
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Oh, you would?
Speaker 8 (25:27):
You guys would get a divorced possibly possibly Bailey, did you.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Ever imagine that that I guess beach side video you
took would be part of a missing person's case.
Speaker 11 (25:41):
I had no clue. And then it wasn't until recently
that people started tagging me and like tagging all these
news channels and commenting that they think it was Ryan.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Wow, let's see a picture of borg warp and compare. Okay, Yeah,
I think we've got some more. You be the judge.
Is she talking to this guy? That's an older picture?
He has less hair than he did in that most
recent picture. Oh Kidoki? All right, let's take a listen
(26:14):
to more of Billy Bumhauer's interview with who we believe
to be Ryan Borboard.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Do you just feel like there's no love left between
you guys?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Diminished?
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Finished?
Speaker 8 (26:28):
Well, I think you guys should definitely have that discussion
and see where things are going between you two before
you leave the country. Yeah, but yeah, I would I
think you guys should sort out where your marriage is
right now.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
I think that's the first thing to do.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I'm going to just go out on a limb and
go back to doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist. Doctor Delatory.
You earlier you were talking about how he Borgwart was
manipulated online. You do hear what he is saying to
(27:11):
Bailly Boomauer, right, he has quote diminished love for his
wife after she's given birth to three of his children
and taking care of them and him, and now he's like, eh,
it's diminished. Did you hear that? I did hear that?
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And you still think he's being manipulated?
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (27:31):
Oh you still again? I do still think he's being manipulated.
I do think he's being told that whatever love he
feels isn't there anymore. And I'm sure that he's being exploited.
And I'm sure I mean gift cards. Right, we saw
the list of things that the police had had said
that we're part of this investigation. Airline gift cards. I
mean the only thing missing is cryptocurrency. I mean, come on,
(27:53):
three hundred and fifty dollars, three hundred and fifty thousand
dollars life insurance policy, This guy is soft. This This
guy doesn't want to have a difficult conversation about where
his marriage is. He just wants to leave his family
and he doesn't want to have any consequences associated with that.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I don't know why you keep take up for him,
claiming that he's the one being manipulated. You know what,
The only place I'm getting any straight answers right now
is from Bailly Boomhauer, who on a lark, was offering
advice out along the water. Where were you exactly, Bailly?
Speaker 11 (28:28):
I was in Pacific Beach, Sandiego.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Okay, listen to more of Bailly Boomhauer speaking to who
we believe to be boardboard and I.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
Think you'll feel less lost and like things are up
in the air.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
Six months later, Yeah, you guys should sort that out.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
That's the advice.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
Yes, you need to figure out where you're what's going on?
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Why is it not possible?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Incision? Okay, indecision. So because of his indecision, he's led
not only his wife and his children, but an entire
sheriff's fours divers and dogs on a wild goose chase
because he can't just decide to stay with his wife
and family or leave for some woman he thinks he's
(29:25):
gonna meet in his Bekistan. Okay, more, I.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
Feel like indecision is a decision in itself because if
you're even questioning.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Baally, nice to meet you.
Speaker 8 (29:42):
Yeah, talk to your wife, sort it out. You guys
need to know be on the same page with what's happening.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Ladies when you run into mister indecision, run for the
hills as if you had seen a monster. That's my
advice crime stores with Nancy Grace. You know, Billy boom Hoower,
(30:11):
this is amazing that you got this video. Billy Boomhower,
mental health content creator on TikTok, Authentic Alpha on Insta
Authentic Alpha. Coo, what was your impression of this guy?
Speaker 11 (30:27):
It was just such a bizarre encounter. Just the whole time,
he kind of was like I thought maybe he was
on something or I really couldn't tell if he was
just like joking or if it was real. But then
the longer it went on, it just seems like it
was a legitimate, like legitimate thing he was asking. But
(30:49):
as you could see, I was kind of confused the
whole time because it was just such a bizarre encounter.
Speaker 12 (30:56):
My writer I don't know where I am right hapisode
for One Street at the seven eleven.
Speaker 10 (31:04):
What's going on?
Speaker 12 (31:06):
I got my family in the sweet on the.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Phone this week and.
Speaker 12 (31:12):
Nif I was get out from up from Atlanta, Georgia.
I don't know what mostly had said. It's fill on
the knees.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
I don't know, did you? I don't know?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Woman, you were not kidnapped. You faked your own disappearance
on the eve of your wedding. Jennifer Wilbanks, known as
the Runaway Bride, d hey, I can't wait to get
hold of Gregory Moore's high profile lawyer on this. Do
you hear going? Is this she's really sucking up? Snot?
Let's listen to some more.
Speaker 12 (31:42):
I hold, I was I say her? I mean I
was saying in her forties? Maybe it was.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
Her.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Do you have what it longer? Shore s any fatal hair?
Speaker 9 (31:55):
No, we'll come a short.
Speaker 12 (31:56):
Exactly what you are? I want to ask? Saw him
again on a maroon.
Speaker 11 (32:00):
I don't know what colors now.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
And were kind.
Speaker 12 (32:07):
It was a boy's van, like a work band, we're
going to converted man or a running It wasn't a meaning.
It was like a like a like a painter work
band direction to day Revan, don't no, I did know
where I am.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
You know, I could just listen to her nim one
call all day long. But to Greg remorse, she goes
so far beyond faking her own kidnap, her own fake kidnap,
she actually describes the suspects. They're Hispanic. According to her,
it was all a hoax, Morse, and she was forced
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to pay tens of thousands of dollars to reimburse the
government for her search. Now you can't order reimbursement. A
judge can't do that unless you're convicted of something. Now
you were earlier saying this isn't a crime.
Speaker 10 (32:58):
Well, Nancy, it's not exactly. The big difference here is
a person that fakes their own death death can't make
a false police report and call nine to one one
they're supposed to be dead.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
And that's what we have here.
Speaker 10 (33:11):
The example you showed, or even the Jesse Smallet case.
Those people called the police, they committed the crime of
filing a false police report that was able to be charges.
But again here we don't have that. We have a
guy who lied to his family. Not a nice guy,
but not a criminal with regard to that aspect, maybe
a civil lawsuit by the local police, they can have
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at it. They'd probably waste more money and legal fees
than they wouldn't collecting. But Borgenwort didn't commit a crime
here or being this search. He didn't call the police
and create a false report.
Speaker 12 (33:44):
So you're wrong.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
There is nothing wrong here.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
He's no crime for.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
This guy, and probably the jokes on him.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
What do you mean the joke's on him? Morris?
Speaker 10 (33:52):
Well, I agree with your doctor. I've been a criminal
defense lawyer a long long time and i'll tail signs
of the victim of a scam. So when he shows
up to that beautiful woman he believes he's going to
see in Uzbekistan, he's going to see an empty place
and he's going to have lost all his money. So
while it's horrible for the family, this guy's going to
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probably suffer for his ridiculous decision to leave his family
and be you know.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Okay, hold on remorse. While faking one's death in itself
may not be illegal, what if it is part of
a fraudulent plan like insurance fraud. Remember the three hundred
and seventy five thousand dollar policy he took out. I
do not about that.
Speaker 10 (34:42):
Row Well, there's nothing wrong with providing for your family,
which sounds good. However, if he caused or knew that
someone was going to make the insurance claim, then we
start getting into.
Speaker 11 (34:53):
The crime area.
Speaker 10 (34:54):
It's not a crime to provide for your family, even
if you leave them a week later nothing and lie
to them. There's no crime there unless someone tries to
get the insurance money and claims he's deceased. And if
the wife tried to do that, now I would venture
she's probably criminally liable because there's enough evidence to know
this guy's probably alive somewhere.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
A shocking update and a missing kayaker case months after
his kayak has found overturned authorities suspect Ryan Borgwart may
be alive and far from home.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Barry Golden joining me former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service. Translation,
they go all over the world finding fugitives now owner
of Golden Consulting and Investigations at GOLDENDASHCI dot com. Barry
I think Gregory Morse, while I don't like what he's saying,
I think a lot of what he is saying is correct.
(35:52):
I also agree with him that unlike many other cases
where we hear about the US Marshalls tracking down killers
all around the world, you know, like Caitlin Armstrong who
murdered a pro biker over jealousy, like McLeod who murdered
his girlfriend. There's so many that are brought back to
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the US for justice. I don't see the US Marshals
spending the money to go halfway around the world with
Uzbekistan with him. We don't have any type of treaty
spending all that money to bring home basically a deadbeat
dad who lies to his wife and family and costs
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probably over one hundred thousand dollars search efforts. Do you
think they'll really look for him?
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Let me throw this at you, Dancy, Okay, you don't
think the sheriff's office in Watertown wants to get this
guy back on US soil if he is over in Europe.
Absolutely they do. If you look to the right of
the sheriff that was standing there at that press conference,
it looks like an FBI agent.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
So how about this?
Speaker 4 (36:59):
And I disagree with because you can make this what
you want to get this guy back on US soil?
If this guy said that his passport was lost and stolen.
Then he signed a DS sixty four, which is a
passport form that says I lost or my passport was stolen.
At the bottom of that form it says all the
information on this form is true and accurate under the
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penalty of perjury. So he may have committed a federal
crime by committing a false statement on a government document.
So if that is true, the FBI can get a
warrant for his arrest. Now you can get a provisional
arrest warrant, and you can get him back from Uzbekistano
wherever he may be in Europe. I think absolutely why
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would the FBI be involved if they don't get this
guy back and try to get back some restitutions because
he cost the sheriff's office thousands and thousands, probably north
of one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Like you just said the other thing, I Barry Golden.
Oh wait, go ahead, there's more.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Well.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
I mean Watertown is two hundred and twenty miles from
the Canadian border. Okay, you know they ran his name
in Canada. Okay, fake your death one oh one. You
don't use your real name, all right? You got to
be smarter than a fifth grader. Okay, so let's start
with that. Then he gets to Canada. How did he
get to Canada? He didn't take an uber It's a
two hundred and twenty dollars train ride to Canada. Did
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he have help? Does somebody know his dirty little secret
that's going to keep it a secret? Who knows? But
the fact of the matter, he's in Europe he might
be understand. So I think the Sheriff's office, working with
the FBAI, the Office of International Affairs, can get an
arrest warrant for making false statements on the government document
and get his tail back here to the US. I'm
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sure his wife wants to slap him upside the head
and say, what the hell were you thinking? His kids
are probably went from being sad to being disgusted at
this guy. So I think they do whatever they have.
They've already spent enough money, thousands and thousands of dollars
trying to recover his body that was obviously not there.
They're going to get this guy back. You think the
Sheriff's office is just going to say, ah, he's in Europe,
(39:05):
he's gone. You know another case.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
No, Barry Golden, everything you said is amazing and correct.
Billy Boomhauer, who just happened to talk to this guy
on the waterfront and get basically a confession from him.
Billy Boomhower, you can find her on instag at Authentic
(39:29):
Alpha Coo. Billy, the last thing any woman needs is
mister indecisive. I just want to ask you one more time,
what was your sense of this guy and what do
you think about being state's witness Number one?
Speaker 13 (39:46):
I would say the whole interaction seems very strange, and
it seemed like he already kind of had his mind
made up about things, so when he was asking you questions,
I feel like he like visitally did not I want
to hear what I was saying. He just wanted me
to pretty much tell him.
Speaker 11 (40:04):
Like, yes, just go to his backes stand and leave
your family. And it just seemed also like he just
kept smiling to himself, So I feel like he was almost.
Speaker 13 (40:13):
Like smug in a way.
Speaker 11 (40:15):
But I feel like it could have just been like
a confession right before he decided to disappear.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
If you know or think you know anything about the
disappearance of husband and father of three Ryan Borgwart, dial two,
dial nine to zero two nine four four one three
four repeat nine to zero two nine to four, four
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one three four And when he is dragged back to
the US, I'm sure his first call is going to
be to Gregory Morse, high profile lawyer joining us today
from King Morse. Fancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend, give
me
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a Wisconsin husband and father
of three. Is he dead drowned in a massive lake?
Is he missing? Or is he snugged up with his
Uzbekistan lover. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. Thank
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you for being.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
A Wisconsin husband and father of three reported missing after
he never comes home from a kayaking day trip.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
On August twelfth, twenty twenty four, at five thirty two pm,
our office received a call from the Dutch County Sheriff's
office in reference to a subject that did not return
home that evening and the.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Last known location.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
He was was Green Lake. Deputy's headed that way Jeff
areas around the lake and found Ryan's vehicle along with
his trailer, parked in the area of Dodge Memorial Park.
(01:14):
We immediately deployed our vote and at six point thirty
one two of our deputies found a capsized kayak in
the western part of the lake in the area of
two hundred and twenty foot depth of water.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Where is the missing father of three? And we thought
dautiful and loving husband. His wife is refusing to comment
until she knows the truth about Ryan Borgwart, but this
is not about her. This is about him. She is
left with paying the house payment, taking care of the children,
(01:57):
and trying to move forward while they ask where's Daddy?
But my question is where is Ryan? Borg Wart Joining
me in All Star panel to make sense of what
we know right now. But listen to this.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
The last contact with the phone and with Ryan was
around ten forty five and.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
When we first.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Got it was around six o'clock the next morning.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I immediately called.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
My partners through the DNR and requested boats. My second
call was to Bruce's Legacy. Bruce's Legacy has helped us
in the past with drown memes that we've had on
our lake. And the reason why is because of the
depth of our lake. Our lake is two hundred and
thirty eight feet the largest inland lake in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
What a massive search? Before I go to Keith Kormackan,
the underwater search recovery expert and director of Bruce's Legacy
who searched for twenty three days, divers put in danger
to find the missing Dad, hold tight. Keith Cormanckan first
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to Alexis Tereschuk, joining us Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Alexis,
I want to start with Dad kayaking alone on the river.
Tell me about that. So he goes off on a
boy's trip, a solo trip, while his wife stays home
and takes care of the three children. Is that is that?
(03:36):
Am I understanding that correctly? It's exactly right for work?
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Goes off. He goes to this lake. It is. It's
a pretty big lake, and it is the actual deepest
lake inland in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And so he goes off. Oh my god, alexis summer, Alexis,
I looked it up. I researched the lake. I'm glad
you said. That is seven thousand, three hundred and forty
acres and twenty seven miles of shore and goes nearly
two hundred and forty feet deep. You're right, go ahead,
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And it's summer.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
It's August, so it's Wisconsin for folks. Wisconsin's pretty far north.
It stays light much later there. So he goes for
an evening kayak. Wife is not suspicious at all something
he does. He's outdoorsy, he likes and they live near
this lake. It's part of their family life.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So he goes.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Kayaking, and at ten o'clock, about ten forty five at night,
he sends his wife a text and he says, Hey,
I'm about to head home now, and that is the
last thing that anyone heard from him.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Wow. So he goes kayaking and he's never heard from again.
Take a listen to what the Green Lake County Sheriff
Mark Padell says.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
We assembled around eight thirty that Monday morning to get
our plan in place as to what we were going
to do. As you can see in the screen behind
me shows the location of data guide that guided our search.
There was a number of things that we got from
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the phone that Ryan I had contact with his wife
and the last one where it shows you on there,
it says last pin. That was one where you told
her that he was going to be turning around.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
And heading towards shore soon.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
We then got another thing around the eleven fifty and
fifty ish and that was just the last thing that
we got on.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
The phone eleven fifty ish at night. I take it,
Alexis tres Chuck.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Yes, it wasn't night, it was that that evening. So
there was he said the text message to his wife.
He says, I'm heading back to shore, I meaning I'm
on the lake. I'm gonna head back to shore. Then
I'll drive home. And then they get one more pin
right on the area of the lake where he had
been kayaking where the first text message was sent from.
And that is nothing else from this phone.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And when is daddy reported missing?
Speaker 5 (06:08):
That night?
Speaker 6 (06:09):
She panics.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
His wife panics that night, but so let's talk with midnight.
The next day, she calls the police. They immediately first
thing in the morning, they send somebody, They send a
team out to the lake to look for him. This
isn't they at the time. They just thought perhaps he's drowned.
You know, lots of accidents can happen on the water.
So the police immediately go out to search. He is
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a dad of three. He is missing. The wife calls.
She has no idea of anything that would be wrong
with him and is panicked about it.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Okay, so the last paying is at eleven fifty at
night PM. She reports him missing. He said two different
things that night and the following morning. When did she
report him missing? Simply put that night. So mom immediately
reports him missing and the search is on. Straight out
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to Keith Kormickan joining US underwater Search Recovery expert director
Bruce's Legacy search for twenty three days in dangerous water
for Vorgwart. Explain to me Keith how side scan sonar
or sonar actually works well.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
Our sonar is a very sophisticated four foot long torpedo.
I have extra weight on it, so it weighs a
total of one hundred pounds that needs to be told
on a cable and it needs to be told to
practically ten feet off the bottom. That generates sonar images
of absolutely everything on the bottom. You can see rock formation,
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we can see tree benches and just very great detail.
So we cover an area of about one hundred feet
on each side of the boat, and we can't see
directly underneath the toe ficial We have to overlap, so
it does take some time and the yeah, we are
able to watch it on a screen in the boat
and mark targets and it gives us exact way points
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of the location of targets and such. Once we locate
any targets of injuries and we put their underwater robot down.
It has lights, cameras, recording capabilities, and its own sonar
who drive up to these targets and take a look
at them and see if what's what we're looking for
or not.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Another question, Keith cormickan, when you are out on this
dark water, could you explain how when you're looking at
sonar and everybody think a fish sonar A lot of
people use it when they're out fishing and you see
something you can't really tell exactly what it is. Keith Cormickan,
how do you tell a person from debris such as
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you know, a tree branch or some other form of debris.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
Well, that's that's the part that takes a lot of practice.
You know, there's a lot of images we get of
bodies that are what I call no brainer, you know,
they they're easy to easy to identify. But the ones
that make me, you know, you know, pretty popular is
the ones that those those are the tougher images. They
(09:14):
may be like ins, you know, in in in and
around the log weeds, debris. Uh so they kind of
blend in with the surrounding areas. So you know, I've
had I don't know, I've done this a lot. I
spend a lot of time every year doing it, so
I've kind of gained a I don't know what Naki
might say, to be able to identify bodies even in
(09:37):
the hardest I you know, way to identify them, so
and very fortunate.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Question. What is your response, how do you feel about
a twenty three day search when now we think this
guy may be snugged up with a lover in Hiszbekistan.
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Well, my first initial response when I first heard it
about it is, you know, I honestly, my first response
was I was relieved because I had been second guessing
my capabilities for several days. Couldn't figure out, we know,
why could not find this guy. We covered this lake
more thorough than I've ever covered the lake. The second
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reaction was, you know, I was there when the sheriff
hit the family with the bombshell of the new information,
and I seen the response to the family and it
was pretty horrifying news for them to see. You know.
The reaction is, you know, was very tough. So you know,
(10:42):
I felt a lot of remorse for them and what
they're going to be paced with. So that's very tough.
Speaker 8 (10:50):
You know.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
Yeah, I'm not happy with what he did. And we
encountered a lot of expenses, which in damage to our equipment.
So yeah, I'm not happy with what he did, the
choices he made. He you know, just people don't realize
all the expenses, and in the anguish that we how
much expenses?
Speaker 1 (11:10):
How much do you think you're out?
Speaker 7 (11:11):
Well, I know for sure the first two weeks I
spent about ten thousand dollars in sum in repairs, and
then I had to replace one of my pieces of
the equipment of forty five hundred dollars. So yeah, I
had a tough first two weeks. And you know, and
then I damaged a couple of props because of the
(11:33):
shallow water in some areas. So the Sheriff's apartment was
was very good about, you know, taking care of that,
in which in turn one of the local businesses actually
donated a couple of props, so that local community, it
was just amazing down there.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
An interesting piece of evidence is found on the like listen.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
There were some voters out there and one vote with
two bot two fishermen on casting along the bottom of
the lake, and they come.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Up with a fishing rod.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
That fishing rod was taken as evidence photograph and was
identified by the wife of the victim. So we continue
to search figuring that could have been a point of interest,
and at three thirtieth three forty five that same day, Tuesday,
(12:30):
we found someone called and said that they found a
tackle box. The stuff inside that tackle box had a
wallet and keys, then a license belonging to.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Riot search and rescue organizations. The Sheriff's office and volunteers
scour Wisconsin's Green Lake, but there's no sign the missing father.
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Where is Ryan borg Wart? Is he dead? Did he drown?
Is he missing somehow? Or is he snugged up with
his lover in Zbekistan?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Those are the questions right now in joining me and
All Star Panel to make sense of what we know. Now,
we understand cadaver dogs are brought out on the water
a massive body of water seven three hundred and forty
acres twenty seven miles of shore two hundred and thirty
seven feet deep. Look at that the dangers to the
(13:38):
divers immense, now dangers to the cadaver dogs. And isn't
it true to Barry Golden, former US Marshall now pi
Bury cadaver dogs are especially trained to pick up a
cent in water, very difficult for the dog in that
(14:02):
type of water two hundred and thirty seven feet deep.
But dogs can't pick up a scan and.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Water, yes, and it's very taxing on these dogs. And
you know if it's a quick investigation or a quick search.
These dogs may pick up something or a body or
a scent of a body or something like that really quick.
But when this goes on and on and on, these
dogs get stressed out and they get tiring and they're
(14:29):
exhausted after a while. So sometimes they have to use
two and three dogs and work them in shifts to
keep on going. Because this is a huge lake, so
it's a big undergoing to get these dogs out there.
Sometimes every department doesn't have a cadaver dog and they
have to go to other departments to borrow those dogs.
Other canine dogs always come in and help out because
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these dogs get very exhausted searching and searching and searching
and walking through these woods.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And then a surprise Keith from Versus.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Legacy, and he said to me, he said, Sheriff. He said,
I've done a lot of searches and I can't find
He also told me that Sheriff, don't worried, not giving up.
He called the company and was asking for another piece
(15:22):
of equipment, a top notch star and it was a
new one. But it's going to be a couple of
weeks out. And we said we gotta go a different direction,
and they did. The direction we went was offline and
(15:44):
we found out that his name was a Run on
August thirteenth. Wow, yeah, that was something we didn't expect.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
That's the Green Lake County Sheriff Mark Puddell speaking to us.
You know, I've got to clarify Alexis Tereschuk joining US
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Sheriff says his name
was Run August thirteen. Now, remember he has his water
(16:17):
mishap on August eleven. What did the sheriff mean by
that his name was run? Ryan Borgwart's name was Run.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
What it happened was is that his passport was used
in Canada, so that at the border crossing it is
it was discovered they put his name, I suppose, into
a national database with his passport information and it showed
up as him going into Canada the next or two
days later. So went missing on August eleven. People started searching.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
After twenty three day search, putting lives at risk, dogs
at risk. I can't tell you. And I've been on
a lot of deep dives literally deep dives in dark
water all across the world. It can be very dangerous
(17:08):
think about it. But aside from that, what about his
wife and his children at home? To Bailly excuse me, sorry,
Bailly To doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist specializing in forensic psychology.
You can find him at resolution fcs dot com. Doctor Delatory,
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How can you allow your wife, your spouse, and your
children to think you're dead while your passport lets you
enter Canada?
Speaker 9 (17:44):
Yeah, listen, we're going to talk about this guy, and
we're gonna I think we're gonna come up with some ideas.
If this is not really someone who is capable of
having a difficult conversation, This is a guy who's easily manipulated. Right,
He's constantly wanting attention, but he's not getting the attention
that he wants.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
You know, let me use a legal phrase on you, Delatory.
What the hell are you talking about? He is easily manipulated, Jackie.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Have I gone in said?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Is this just a bad dream? No? This is real? Delatory?
What are you saying he's easily manipulated? I asked you
about his wife and his children and all of those people,
the divers, the men and women out there risking their
lives at two hundred and forty feet below the surface,
trying to find this POC cares about? Can you tell
(18:34):
me he's manipulating?
Speaker 9 (18:36):
He cares about something other than them, He cares about
things other than his family. He doesn't care that he
put an entire community at risk. He doesn't care about.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Saying to be lover in Isbekistan. Yes, then why are
you telling me he's easily manipulated? My rear end?
Speaker 9 (18:53):
Because I mean, could he be talking to someone who
is Pakistan? I mean sure, but he's most likely talking
to some man in Southeast Asia who's convinced him to
start donating all kinds of.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Okay, so control yourself, Okay, dilatory.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
You're worried that.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
He could be talking to a guy in his underwear
kneed j and not a hotty from his back stamp.
That's what you're focused on.
Speaker 9 (19:17):
I'm not worried about.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Why are you even talking about that?
Speaker 9 (19:19):
That's not what I asked you, But I'm not worried
about what he's asked you.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
How could you let your wife and children think you're dead.
I've lived through my fiance's murder. I know what it
feels like to think he's dead. And every time my
husband is late or he doesn't land on time. I think,
is he dead? That's what happens, That's what this woman
(19:44):
is probably still going through.
Speaker 9 (19:46):
You doesn't love his wife or his children anymore. He
doesn't love them anymore at all. He doesn't care about what.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Did he ever? Did he ever?
Speaker 9 (19:55):
Probably at some point, but certainly not now.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
You know, I just god deatory. I know you have
a lot of degrees, and you are renowned psychologist and mediator,
but I don't know what to think about you right now.
I ask you about how could you let your wife
and children think you're dead all this time when you're
shacked up with a haughtie in Zbekistan, or so we think,
(20:19):
And you talk to me about how he's minneapolated by
some naked guy online and whatever. I don't care. I
care about what he's done to his wife and family.
If in fact this is true, you know what control
and put him in the corner. I'm going to give
him a few minutes to think about what he has said.
(20:42):
Gregory Morse joining me, high profile lawyer with King and Morse,
current CGA Council Southern District of Florida, former public defender
and author of the untested on Amazon, he can find
him a kingmoselaw dot com. Gregory, what about it? Is
(21:05):
this a crime if it's true?
Speaker 10 (21:08):
Well, no, it's not a crime. If it's true. People
lie to their spouses all the time. People tell their
spouses or their children they're going to the corner store
and they never come home. And even if it is
a crime, Nancy, it doesn't really matter because we don't
have an extradition treaty with Uzbekistan. If that's in fact
(21:28):
where he is, maybe there could be a crime with
this passport application, But how do you approve he didn't
lose his passport. That's not an easy thing to prove,
and that's a low grade felony anyway. So even if
we had an extradition treaty with Uzbekistan, the government probably
wouldn't spend their time to.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Get him back.
Speaker 10 (21:49):
Maybe the moral police should be looking for him, but
the police police should stop wasting their time. And he
didn't do anything illegal as far as I could tell,
except maybe the passport thing.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I don't know who you're referring to as the moral police.
I guess me. I'm not the church lady. But haven't
you heard about prosecutions of people that fake their disappearance
while the government racks up thousands and thousands of dollars
while they're all out searching for the missing person.
Speaker 10 (22:22):
Well, he faked a disappearance to his wife and then
he left. She called and said he was missing. She
called the police and did these things. So you're transferring
that kind from that fault to him, not her fault.
But she took the acts that could be down the
path of criminal culpability.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Joining me right now is a very special guest, Billy Boomhauer,
mental health content creator. You can find her on TikTok,
Authentic Alpha, on Insta, Authentic Alpha Co. Billy Boomheuer. Before
I ask you any questions, I've just got to show this.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Why can you advice on anything?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
They go to is bekis Stan or stay here?
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Say that one more time I go to is Bekistan
or stay here?
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Do you have family there?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Why do you want to go to meet a woman?
To meet a woman? And it was as spack from.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Beekistan, from Pakistan?
Speaker 6 (23:23):
You don't like American women? Oh they're familiar.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
They're familiar. Is that a bad thing? I guess he
wants some strange as some of my defendants have said, Okay,
that's Billy Boomhauer, who's with us right now talking to
a guy that looks a lot like Bogwart. Okay, I
(23:50):
didn't take his fingerprint or get his DNA buckle swab,
but that looks like Bogwart to me? Uh is it? Wait?
Excuse me, but that looks like Borgwart to me? Joining me,
Bailey Boomhower, Bailey, what prompted you to ask advice from
the Borgwart look alike?
Speaker 11 (24:08):
I was just doing my advice series and then this
man came up on his bike and then started asking
all those questions, and he after like, looking into more,
it looks like it could be Ryan.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Take a listen to more of Bailey Boomhauer's interview with
a man we believe to be missing Dad, Ryan Borgwart.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
So you've given up on meeting someone here? No, I'm married.
Oh yeah, but you you want to find someone else
empty nest?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I'm not sure, So I'm.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Asking you we empty nest? What do you mean? My
kids are?
Speaker 9 (24:48):
Wait?
Speaker 6 (24:50):
So you want to find like adopt a child?
Speaker 4 (24:53):
No, No, I want to find a companion that I'm
content with and more.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
I thinks that requires you to divorce someone first? Well,
or is she okay with that?
Speaker 11 (25:10):
That's a good question.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Have you guys had a conversation about that?
Speaker 7 (25:19):
So?
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Would it be like a thropple or something?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
No?
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Oh, you would?
Speaker 8 (25:27):
You guys would get a divorced possibly possibly Bailey, did you.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Ever imagine that that I guess beach side video you
took would be part of a missing person's case.
Speaker 11 (25:41):
I had no clue. And then it wasn't until recently
that people started tagging me and like tagging all these
news channels and commenting that they think it was Ryan.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Wow, let's see a picture of borg warp and compare. Okay, Yeah,
I think we've got some more. You be the judge.
Is she talking to this guy? That's an older picture?
He has less hair than he did in that most
recent picture. Oh Kidoki? All right, let's take a listen
(26:14):
to more of Billy Bumhauer's interview with who we believe
to be Ryan Borboard.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Do you just feel like there's no love left between
you guys?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Diminished?
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Finished?
Speaker 8 (26:28):
Well, I think you guys should definitely have that discussion
and see where things are going between you two before
you leave the country. Yeah, but yeah, I would I
think you guys should sort out where your marriage is
right now.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
I think that's the first thing to do.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I'm going to just go out on a limb and
go back to doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist. Doctor Delatory.
You earlier you were talking about how he Borgwart was
manipulated online. You do hear what he is saying to
(27:11):
Bailly Boomauer, right, he has quote diminished love for his
wife after she's given birth to three of his children
and taking care of them and him, and now he's like, eh,
it's diminished. Did you hear that? I did hear that?
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
And you still think he's being manipulated?
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (27:31):
Oh you still again? I do still think he's being manipulated.
I do think he's being told that whatever love he
feels isn't there anymore. And I'm sure that he's being exploited.
And I'm sure I mean gift cards. Right, we saw
the list of things that the police had had said
that we're part of this investigation. Airline gift cards. I
mean the only thing missing is cryptocurrency. I mean, come on,
(27:53):
three hundred and fifty dollars, three hundred and fifty thousand
dollars life insurance policy, This guy is soft. This This
guy doesn't want to have a difficult conversation about where
his marriage is. He just wants to leave his family
and he doesn't want to have any consequences associated with that.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I don't know why you keep take up for him,
claiming that he's the one being manipulated. You know what,
The only place I'm getting any straight answers right now
is from Bailly Boomhauer, who on a lark, was offering
advice out along the water. Where were you exactly, Bailly?
Speaker 11 (28:28):
I was in Pacific Beach, Sandiego.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Okay, listen to more of Bailly Boomhauer speaking to who
we believe to be boardboard and I.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
Think you'll feel less lost and like things are up
in the air.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
Six months later, Yeah, you guys should sort that out.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
That's the advice.
Speaker 8 (28:58):
Yes, you need to figure out where you're what's going on?
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Why is it not possible?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Incision? Okay, indecision. So because of his indecision, he's led
not only his wife and his children, but an entire
sheriff's fours divers and dogs on a wild goose chase
because he can't just decide to stay with his wife
and family or leave for some woman he thinks he's
(29:25):
gonna meet in his Bekistan. Okay, more, I.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
Feel like indecision is a decision in itself because if
you're even questioning.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Baally, nice to meet you.
Speaker 8 (29:42):
Yeah, talk to your wife, sort it out. You guys
need to know be on the same page with what's happening.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Ladies when you run into mister indecision, run for the
hills as if you had seen a monster. That's my
advice crime stores with Nancy Grace. You know, Billy boom Hoower,
(30:11):
this is amazing that you got this video. Billy Boomhower,
mental health content creator on TikTok, Authentic Alpha on Insta
Authentic Alpha. Coo, what was your impression of this guy?
Speaker 11 (30:27):
It was just such a bizarre encounter. Just the whole time,
he kind of was like I thought maybe he was
on something or I really couldn't tell if he was
just like joking or if it was real. But then
the longer it went on, it just seems like it
was a legitimate, like legitimate thing he was asking. But
(30:49):
as you could see, I was kind of confused the
whole time because it was just such a bizarre encounter.
Speaker 12 (30:56):
My writer I don't know where I am right hapisode
for One Street at the seven eleven.
Speaker 10 (31:04):
What's going on?
Speaker 12 (31:06):
I got my family in the sweet on the.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Phone this week and.
Speaker 12 (31:12):
Nif I was get out from up from Atlanta, Georgia.
I don't know what mostly had said. It's fill on
the knees.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
I don't know, did you? I don't know?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Woman, you were not kidnapped. You faked your own disappearance
on the eve of your wedding. Jennifer Wilbanks, known as
the Runaway Bride, d hey, I can't wait to get
hold of Gregory Moore's high profile lawyer on this. Do
you hear going? Is this she's really sucking up? Snot?
Let's listen to some more.
Speaker 12 (31:42):
I hold, I was I say her? I mean I
was saying in her forties? Maybe it was.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
Her.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Do you have what it longer? Shore s any fatal hair?
Speaker 9 (31:55):
No, we'll come a short.
Speaker 12 (31:56):
Exactly what you are? I want to ask? Saw him
again on a maroon.
Speaker 11 (32:00):
I don't know what colors now.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
And were kind.
Speaker 12 (32:07):
It was a boy's van, like a work band, we're
going to converted man or a running It wasn't a meaning.
It was like a like a like a painter work
band direction to day Revan, don't no, I did know
where I am.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
You know, I could just listen to her nim one
call all day long. But to Greg remorse, she goes
so far beyond faking her own kidnap, her own fake kidnap,
she actually describes the suspects. They're Hispanic. According to her,
it was all a hoax, Morse, and she was forced
(32:43):
to pay tens of thousands of dollars to reimburse the
government for her search. Now you can't order reimbursement. A
judge can't do that unless you're convicted of something. Now
you were earlier saying this isn't a crime.
Speaker 10 (32:58):
Well, Nancy, it's not exactly. The big difference here is
a person that fakes their own death death can't make
a false police report and call nine to one one
they're supposed to be dead.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
And that's what we have here.
Speaker 10 (33:11):
The example you showed, or even the Jesse Smallet case.
Those people called the police, they committed the crime of
filing a false police report that was able to be charges.
But again here we don't have that. We have a
guy who lied to his family. Not a nice guy,
but not a criminal with regard to that aspect, maybe
a civil lawsuit by the local police, they can have
(33:33):
at it. They'd probably waste more money and legal fees
than they wouldn't collecting. But Borgenwort didn't commit a crime
here or being this search. He didn't call the police
and create a false report.
Speaker 12 (33:44):
So you're wrong.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
There is nothing wrong here.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
He's no crime for.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
This guy, and probably the jokes on him.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
What do you mean the joke's on him? Morris?
Speaker 10 (33:52):
Well, I agree with your doctor. I've been a criminal
defense lawyer a long long time and i'll tail signs
of the victim of a scam. So when he shows
up to that beautiful woman he believes he's going to
see in Uzbekistan, he's going to see an empty place
and he's going to have lost all his money. So
while it's horrible for the family, this guy's going to
(34:14):
probably suffer for his ridiculous decision to leave his family
and be you know.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Okay, hold on remorse. While faking one's death in itself
may not be illegal, what if it is part of
a fraudulent plan like insurance fraud. Remember the three hundred
and seventy five thousand dollar policy he took out. I
do not about that.
Speaker 10 (34:42):
Row Well, there's nothing wrong with providing for your family,
which sounds good. However, if he caused or knew that
someone was going to make the insurance claim, then we
start getting into.
Speaker 11 (34:53):
The crime area.
Speaker 10 (34:54):
It's not a crime to provide for your family, even
if you leave them a week later nothing and lie
to them. There's no crime there unless someone tries to
get the insurance money and claims he's deceased. And if
the wife tried to do that, now I would venture
she's probably criminally liable because there's enough evidence to know
this guy's probably alive somewhere.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
A shocking update and a missing kayaker case months after
his kayak has found overturned authorities suspect Ryan Borgwart may
be alive and far from home.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Barry Golden joining me former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service. Translation,
they go all over the world finding fugitives now owner
of Golden Consulting and Investigations at GOLDENDASHCI dot com. Barry
I think Gregory Morse, while I don't like what he's saying,
I think a lot of what he is saying is correct.
(35:52):
I also agree with him that unlike many other cases
where we hear about the US Marshalls tracking down killers
all around the world, you know, like Caitlin Armstrong who
murdered a pro biker over jealousy, like McLeod who murdered
his girlfriend. There's so many that are brought back to
(36:14):
the US for justice. I don't see the US Marshals
spending the money to go halfway around the world with
Uzbekistan with him. We don't have any type of treaty
spending all that money to bring home basically a deadbeat
dad who lies to his wife and family and costs
(36:37):
probably over one hundred thousand dollars search efforts. Do you
think they'll really look for him?
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Let me throw this at you, Dancy, Okay, you don't
think the sheriff's office in Watertown wants to get this
guy back on US soil if he is over in Europe.
Absolutely they do. If you look to the right of
the sheriff that was standing there at that press conference,
it looks like an FBI agent.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
So how about this?
Speaker 4 (36:59):
And I disagree with because you can make this what
you want to get this guy back on US soil?
If this guy said that his passport was lost and stolen.
Then he signed a DS sixty four, which is a
passport form that says I lost or my passport was stolen.
At the bottom of that form it says all the
information on this form is true and accurate under the
(37:20):
penalty of perjury. So he may have committed a federal
crime by committing a false statement on a government document.
So if that is true, the FBI can get a
warrant for his arrest. Now you can get a provisional
arrest warrant, and you can get him back from Uzbekistano
wherever he may be in Europe. I think absolutely why
(37:42):
would the FBI be involved if they don't get this
guy back and try to get back some restitutions because
he cost the sheriff's office thousands and thousands, probably north
of one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Like you just said the other thing, I Barry Golden.
Oh wait, go ahead, there's more.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Well.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
I mean Watertown is two hundred and twenty miles from
the Canadian border. Okay, you know they ran his name
in Canada. Okay, fake your death one oh one. You
don't use your real name, all right? You got to
be smarter than a fifth grader. Okay, so let's start
with that. Then he gets to Canada. How did he
get to Canada? He didn't take an uber It's a
two hundred and twenty dollars train ride to Canada. Did
(38:22):
he have help? Does somebody know his dirty little secret
that's going to keep it a secret? Who knows? But
the fact of the matter, he's in Europe he might
be understand. So I think the Sheriff's office, working with
the FBAI, the Office of International Affairs, can get an
arrest warrant for making false statements on the government document
and get his tail back here to the US. I'm
(38:44):
sure his wife wants to slap him upside the head
and say, what the hell were you thinking? His kids
are probably went from being sad to being disgusted at
this guy. So I think they do whatever they have.
They've already spent enough money, thousands and thousands of dollars
trying to recover his body that was obviously not there.
They're going to get this guy back. You think the
Sheriff's office is just going to say, ah, he's in Europe,
(39:05):
he's gone. You know another case.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
No, Barry Golden, everything you said is amazing and correct.
Billy Boomhauer, who just happened to talk to this guy
on the waterfront and get basically a confession from him.
Billy Boomhower, you can find her on instag at Authentic
(39:29):
Alpha Coo. Billy, the last thing any woman needs is
mister indecisive. I just want to ask you one more time,
what was your sense of this guy and what do
you think about being state's witness Number one?
Speaker 13 (39:46):
I would say the whole interaction seems very strange, and
it seemed like he already kind of had his mind
made up about things, so when he was asking you questions,
I feel like he like visitally did not I want
to hear what I was saying. He just wanted me
to pretty much tell him.
Speaker 11 (40:04):
Like, yes, just go to his backes stand and leave
your family. And it just seemed also like he just
kept smiling to himself, So I feel like he was almost.
Speaker 13 (40:13):
Like smug in a way.
Speaker 11 (40:15):
But I feel like it could have just been like
a confession right before he decided to disappear.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
If you know or think you know anything about the
disappearance of husband and father of three Ryan Borgwart, dial two,
dial nine to zero two nine four four one three
four repeat nine to zero two nine to four, four
(40:43):
one three four And when he is dragged back to
the US, I'm sure his first call is going to
be to Gregory Morse, high profile lawyer joining us today
from King Morse. Fancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend, give
me
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