September 20, 2025 • 45 mins
On the morning of August 12, Ryan Borgwardt’s wife contacted authorities, reporting that her husband hadn’t returned from a kayaking trip on Green Lake the previous night and wasn’t answering his phone.
The Green Lake County Sheriff’s Office began a search around 5:32 p.m., focusing on Borgwardt’s last known location at Green Lake. Deputies soon located his vehicle and trailer parked near Dodge Memorial Park. About an hour later, authorities found a capsized kayak in the western part of the lake, where the water is approximately 220 feet deep.
They discovered the life jacket still attached to the kayak, and volunteers joined deputies in the search for Borgwardt.
Twenty-four hours into the search, crews deployed a drone and boats to perform a grid search of the lake. As efforts continued, Sheriff Mark Podoll announced that they were focusing on the lake’s deepest areas, covering hundreds of acres with the assistance of Bruce’s Legacy, a nonprofit specializing in search and recovery.
The sheriff indicated they were now searching for a body, believing Borgwardt drowned in the lake. Three cadaver dogs and a dive team were brought in to assist with recovery efforts.
Sheriff Podoll and his team then shifted their focus to reexamine the investigation from the beginning. They soon discovered that Canadian law enforcement had run Borgwardt’s name on August 13. Although Borgwardt’s passport was initially found at his home, investigators learned he had been issued a new passport on May 22 after reporting the original one lost.
Borgwardt’s wife, Emily, provided his laptop for investigation. A digital forensic analysis revealed that Borgwardt had replaced the hard drive and cleared all browser history the day he disappeared. Investigators believe he is now in Europe.
Further findings showed Borgwardt transferred funds to a foreign bank, changed his email address, and had been communicating with a woman from Uzbekistan before his disappearance.
The investigation also revealed that he had taken out a $375,000 life insurance policy seven months before vanishing and had purchased airline cards. Sheriff Podoll stated, after all they had uncovered, that Borgwardt is “not in our lake.”
Note: After our Crime Stories broadcast, the Green Lake County Sheriff's Office posted this message on its Facebook page: "We do not believe the TikTok video is Ryan. We are in contact with the interviewer. Thank you to all for alerting us of his existence. We have verified this is not Ryan by contacting people who know Ryan."
Borgwardt returned to the US and was charged. He now learns his fate.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Gregory Morse - Partner at the law firm of King Morse, PLLC. Current CJA counsel (Southern District of Florida), Former West Palm Beach Public Defender's Office. Author: "The Untested," website: kingmorselaw.com
- Keith Cormican - Underwater Search and Recovery Expert. Director, Bruce's Legacy. Searched for 23 days for Ryan in Green Lake.
- Dr. John Delatorre – Licensed Psychologist and Mediator (specializing in forensic psychology); Psychological Consultant to Project Absentis: a nonprofit organization that searches for missing persons; Twitter, IG, and TikTok – @drjohndelatorre
- Barry Golden – Former Senior Inspector for the U.S. Marshals Service, Owner of Golden Consulting and Investigations
- Baylee Boomhower - Mental Health Content Creator; TikTok: @authenticalpha/Instagram:@authenticalphaco/ Instagram: bayleeboomhower/; YouTube: @authenticalpha
- Alexis Tereszcuk - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, a very much married Wisconsin
dad tries to fake his own death in an elaborate
kayak accident hoax in order to flee to Eastern Europe
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to be with a woman he meets online. Oh my stars,
to my husband, David, if you want to be with
someone else, don't spend all the money flying to Eastern
Europe and hooking up with some big hoe.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
All right, just leave, okay, but do not spend the
children's college fund to do it. You can go, You're free.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I may not be happy about it, but for Pete's sake,
don't mess with the money. Oh dear Lord in Heaven,
that's right. Ryan Borgwart carried out an elaborate stunt to
be with a mistress in the country of Georgia in
Eastern Europe. Now he's home. He pled no contest because
(01:15):
he didn't have the backbone to say guilty to the
charge of obstruction. And now he learns his fate. And
let me just say up front, it's not harsh enough.
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
First of all, let's have a little refresher course on
what Ryan Borgoort did.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I can't believe this guy. This is what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
On August twelfth, twenty twenty four, at five thirty two pm,
our office received a call from the Dutch Cony Sheriff's
Office in reference to a subject that did not return
home that evening and the last known location.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
He was was Green Lake.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Deputies headed that way check the areas around the lake
and found Ryan's vehicle along with his trailer, parked in
the area of Dodge Memorial Park. We immediately deployed our boat.
At six point thirty one, two of our deputies found
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a capsized kayak in the western part of the lake
in the area of two hundred and twenty foot.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Depth of water.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Where is the missing father of three? And we thought
dautiful and loving husband. His wife is refusing to comment
until she knows the truth about Ryan Borgwart.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
But this is not about her. This is about him.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
She is left with paying the house payment, taking care
of the children, and trying to move forward while.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
They ask where's daddy?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
But my question is where is Ryan borg wartt Joining
me in all Star panel to make sense of what
we know right now, But listen to this The last.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Contact with the phone and with Ryan was around ten
forty five and when we first got it was around
six o'clock the next morning.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I immediately called.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
My partners through the DNR and requested boats. My second
call was to Bruce's Legacy. Bruce's Legacy has helped us
in the past with draw memes that we've had on
our lake.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
And the reason why is because of the depth of
our lake.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Our lake is two hundred and thirty eight feet, the
largest lake in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
What a massive search?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Before I go to Keith kormackan the underwater search recovery
expert and director of Bruce's Legacy who searched for twenty
three days, divers put in danger to find the missing Dad,
hold tight. Keith cormanckn first to Alexis Tereschuk, joining US
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Alexis, I want to
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start with Dad kayaking alone on the river.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Tell me about that. So he goes off.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
On a boy's trip, a solo trip, while his wife stays.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Home and takes care of the three children. Is that's that?
Am I understanding that correctly?
Speaker 5 (04:44):
It's exactly right for work goes off, he goes to
this lake. It is. It's a pretty big lake, and
it is the actual deepest lake inland in Wisconsin. And
so he goes off, Oh my god, alexis summer.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Alexis. I looked it up. I researched the lake. I'm
glad you. He said, that is seven thousand, three hundred
and forty acres and twenty seven miles of shore and
goes nearly two hundred and forty feet deep.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
You're right, go ahead, And it's summer.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
It's August, so it's Wisconsin for folks. Wisconsin's pretty far north.
It stays light much later there. So he goes for
an evening kayak. Wife is not suspicious at all something
he does. He's outdoorsy, he likes and they live near
this lake. It's part of their family life.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So he goes.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Kayaking, and at ten o'clock, about ten forty five at night,
he sends his wife a text and he says, hey,
I'm about to head home now. And that is the
last thing that anyone heard from him.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So he goes kayaking and he's never heard from again.
Take a listen to what the Green Lake County Sheriff
Mark Podell says.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
We assembled around eight thirty Monday morning to get our
plan in place as to what we were going to do.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
As you can see in the.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Screen behind me shows the location of data guide that.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Guided our search. There was a number of things that
we got from the.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Phone that Ryan I had contact with his wife, and
the last one where it shows you on there, it
says last pin. That was one where he told her
that he was going to be turning around.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
And heading towards shore soon. We then got another thing
around the eleven.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Eleven fifty ish, And that was just the last thing
that we got on.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
The phone, eleven fifty ish at night, I take it,
alexis Tschuk.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yes, it was at night.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
It was that that evening. So there was he said
the text message to his wife. He says, I'm heading
out to shore, I meaning I'm on the lake. I'm
gonna head back to shore then I'll drive home. And
then they get one more pin right on the area
of the lake where he had been kayaking where the
first text message was sent from. And that is nothing
else from this phone.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And when is daddy reported missing that night? She panics,
his wife panics that night.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
But so let's talk with midnight the next day she
calls the police. They immediately first thing in the morning,
they send somebody. They send a team out to the
lake to look for him. This isn't at the time.
They just thought perhaps he's drowned. You lots of accidents
can happen on the water, so the police immediately go
out to search. He is a dad of three. He
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is missing. The wife calls. She has no idea of
anything that would be wrong with him and is panicked
about it.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Okay, so the last paying is at eleven fifty at
night PM, she reports him missing. He said two different
things that night and the following morning. When did she
report a missing simply put that night. So mom immediately
reports him missing and the search is on. Straight out
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to Keith Kormickan joining US underwater Search Recovery expert Director
Bruce's legacy search for twenty three days in dangerous water
for Vorgwart. Explain to me Keith, how side scan sonar
or sonar actually works well.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Our sonar is a very sophisticated four foot long torpedo.
I have extra weight on it, so it weighs a
total of one hundred pounds that needs to be told
on a cable and it needs to be told to
practically penn feed off the bottom. That generates sonar images
of absolutely everything on the bottom. You can see rock formation,
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we can see tree benches and just very great detail.
So we cover an area of about one hundred feet
on each side of the boat and we can't see
directly underneath it toe fish and we have to overlap,
so it does take some time and the yeah, we
are able to watch it on the screen in the
boat and mark targets and it gives us exact weight
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points of the location of targets and such. Once we
locate any targets avengers and we put the underwater robot down.
It has lights, cameras, recording capabilities, and its own sonar
who drive up to these targets and take a look
at them and see if what's what we're looking for
or not.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Another question, Keith cormickan, when you are out on this
dark water, could you explain how when you're looking at
sonar and everybody think a fish sonar.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
A lot of people use it when they're out fishing
and you.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
See something you can't really tell exactly what it is.
Keith Cormickan, how do you tell a person from debris
such as you know, a tree branch or some other
form of debris.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Well, that's that's the part that takes a lot of practice.
You know, there's a lot of images we get of
bodies that are what I call no brainers. You know,
they they're easy to easy to identify. But the ones
that make me, uh you know, you know, pretty popular,
is the ones that those those are the tougher images.
(10:20):
They may be light and you know, in in in
and around the log weeds debris. Uh so they kind
of blend in with the surrounding areas. So you know,
I've had I don't know, I've done this a lot.
I spend a lot of time every year doing it,
so I've I've kind of gained a I don't know
what Naki might say to be able to identify bodies
(10:43):
even in the hardest id you know, way to identify them.
So it's been very fortunate.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Question.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
What is your response, how do you feel about a
twenty three day search when now we think this guy
may be snugged up with a lover in Zbekistan.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Well, my first initial response when I first heard it
about it is, you know, I honestly My first response
was I was relieved because I had been second guessing
my capabilities for several days. Couldn't figure out, we know,
why could not find this guy. We covered this lake
more thorough than I've ever covered the lake. The second
(11:28):
reaction was, you know, I was there when the share
A hit the family with the bombshell of the new information,
and I seen the response to the family and it
was pretty horrifying news for them to see. You know.
The reaction is, you know, was very tough. So you know,
(11:49):
I felt a lot of remorse for them and what
they're going to be faced with. So that's very tough.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
You know.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Yeah, I'm not happy with what he did. And we
encountered a lot of expenses with some damage to our equipment,
So yeah, I'm not happy with what he did, the
choices he made. You know, people don't realize all the
expenses and in the anguish that.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Weasis, how much do you think you're out?
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Well, I know for sure. The first two weeks I
spent about ten thousand dollars sum in repairs, and then
I had to replace one of my pieces of the
equipment of forty five hundred dollars. So so yeah, I
had a tough first two weeks, and you know, and
then I damaged a couple of props because of the
(12:39):
shallow water in some areas. So the Sheriff's apartment was
was very good about, you know, taking care of that,
in which in turn, one of the local businesses actually
donated a couple of props, so that local community, it
was just amazing down there.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
An interesting piece of evidence is found on the like listen,
there were some.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Boorters out there and one boat with two boat the
two fishermen on we're casting along.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
The bottom of the lake and they come up with
a fishing rod.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
That fishing rod was taken as evidence photograph and was
identified by the wife of the victim. So we continue
to search, figuring that could have been a point of interest.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
And at three thirty three that.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Same day, Tuesday, we found someone called and said that
they found a tackle box. The stuff inside that tackle
box had a.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Wallet and keys, then a license belonging to Riot.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
And what is the punishment for the married Wisconsin dad
who faked his own death in an elaborate scheme just
to go be with his hoe. Excuse me, mistress in
another country. He is getting the same amount of time
eighty nine days that LA law enforcement spent searching for him,
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most of that time his wife distraught.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Okay, what happened?
Speaker 9 (14:35):
Search and rescue organizations, the Sheriff's office and volunteers scour
Wisconsin's Green Lake, but there's no sign of the missing father.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Where is ryinan Borgwart? Is he dead?
Speaker 10 (14:52):
Did he drown? Is he missing somehow? Or is he
snugged up with his lover in Uzbekistan? Those are the
questions right now. In joining me and All Star panel
to make sense of what we know. Now we understand.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Cadaver dogs are brought out on the water a massive
body of water seven three hundred and forty acres twenty
seven miles of sure two hundred and thirty seven feet deep.
Look at that, the dangers to the divers immense. Now
dangers to the cadaver dogs. And isn't it true to
(15:33):
Barry Golden, former US Marshall now PI very cadaver dogs
are especially trained to pick up a cent in water,
and it's very difficult for the dog in that type
of water two hundred and thirty seven feet deep.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
But dogs can pick up a scent in water.
Speaker 11 (15:54):
Yes, and it's it's very taxing on these dogs. And
you know, if it's a quick investig case or a
quick search, these dogs may pick up something or a
body or a scent of a body or something like
that really quick. But when this goes on and on
and on, these dogs get stressed out and they get
tiring and they're exhausted after a while. So sometimes they
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have to use two and three dogs and work them
in shifts to keep on going. Because this is a
huge lake, so it's a big undergoing to get these
dogs out there. Sometimes every department doesn't have a cadaver
dog and they have to go to other departments to
borrow those dogs. Other canine dogs always come in and
help out because these dogs get very exhausted searching and
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searching and searching and walking through these woods.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And then a surprise Keith from.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Rusus Life Seat and he said to me, he said, Sheriff.
He said, I've done a lot of searching and I
can't find He also told me to share it for worry.
Not giving up, he called the company and was asking
(17:06):
for another piece of equipment, a top notch s sotar
and it was a new.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
One, but it's going to be a couple of weeks after.
We said we gotta go a different direction, and they did.
The direction we went.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Was offline and we found out that his name was
run on August thirteenth.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Wow. Yeah, that was something we didn't expect.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
That's the Green Lake County Sheriff, Mark Poddell speaking to us.
You know, I've got to clarify it. Lex as Terreschuk
joining us Climb online dot Com investigator reporter. Sheriff says
his name was run August thirteen.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Now, remember he has his water.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Mishap on August eleven. What did the sheriff mean by
that his name was run?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Ryan Borgwart's name was run.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
What it happened was is that his passport was used
in Canada, so that at the border crossing it was
discovered they put his name, I suppose, into a national
database with his passport information and it showed up as
him going into Canada the next or two days later.
So went missing on August eleven. People started searching.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
After a twenty three day search, putting lives at risk,
dogs at risk. I can't tell you, and I've been
on a lot of deep dives literally deep dives in
dark water all across the world. It can be very
dangerous think about it. But aside from that, what about
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his wife and his.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Children at home? To Bailly excuse me, sorry, Billy?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
To doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist specializing in forensic psychology.
You can find him at resolution fcs dot com. Doctor Delatory,
How can you allow your wife, your spouse, and your
children to think you're dead while your passport lets you
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enter Canada?
Speaker 12 (19:29):
Yeah, listen, we're going to talk about this guy, and
we're gonna I think we're going to come up with
some ideas that this is not really someone who is
capable of having a difficult conversation. This is a guy
who's easily manipulated. Right, He's constantly wanting attention, but he's
not getting the attention that he wants.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You know, let me use a legal phrase on you, Delatory.
What the hell are you talking about? He is easily manipulated, Jackie.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Have I gone and say is this is a bad dream?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
This is real? Are you saying he's easily manipulated? I
asked you about his wife and his children, and all
of those people, the.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Divers, the men and women out they're risking their lives
at two hundred and forty feet below the surface, trying
to find.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
This POC cares about it? Can you tell me he's manipulating?
Speaker 12 (20:20):
He cares about something other than them, He cares about
things other than his family. He doesn't care that he
put an entire community risk. He doesn't care about saying to.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Be lover in his Bekistan.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yes, then why are you telling me he's easily manipulated
my rear end?
Speaker 12 (20:37):
Because I mean, could he be talking to someone who
knows Pakistan? I mean sure, but he's most likely talking
to some man in Southeast Asia who's convinced him to
start donating all kinds of money.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
That. Okay, so control yourself, Okay, delatory, you're worried that.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
He could be talking to a guy in his underwear
needs and not a hotty from his bed, that's what
you're focused on.
Speaker 12 (21:02):
I'm not worried about.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Well, why are you even talking about that? That's not
what I asked you.
Speaker 12 (21:05):
But I'm not worried about what he's.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Going to ask you.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
How could you let your wife and children think you're dead.
I've lived through my fiance's murder.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I know what it feels like. To think he's dead.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
And every time my husband is late or he doesn't
land on time, I think.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Is he dead? That's what happens.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
That's what this woman is probably still going through.
Speaker 12 (21:31):
You doesn't love his wife or his children anymore. He
doesn't love them anymore at all. He doesn't care about what.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Did he ever? Did he ever?
Speaker 12 (21:40):
Probably at some point, but certainly not now.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
You know, I just doctor delatory.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I know you have a lot of degrees, and you
are renowned psychologist and mediator, but I don't know what
to think about you right now. I ask you about
how could you let your wife and children think you're
dead all this time when you're shacked up with a
hattie in Uzbekistan.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
We're so, we think, and you talk to.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Me about how he's minneapolated by some naked guy online
and whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I don't care. I care about what he's done to
his wife and family.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
If in fact this is true, you know what, control
and put him in the corner. I'm going to give
him a few minutes to think about what he has said.
Gregory Morse joining me, high profile lawyer with King and
Morse current CGA Council Southern District of Florida, former public
(22:39):
defender and author of The Untested on Amazon. You can
find him at Kingmorselaw dot com.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Gregory, what about it? Is this a crime if it's true?
Speaker 13 (22:52):
Well, no, it's not a crime. If it's true. People
lie to their spouses all the time. People tell their
spouses or their children they're going to the corner store
and they never come home. And even if it is
a crime, Nancy, it doesn't really matter because we don't
have an extradition treaty with Uzbekistan. If that's in fact
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where he is, maybe there could be a crime with
this passport application, But how do you approve he didn't
lose his passport. That's not an easy thing to prove,
and that's a low grade felony anyway. So even if
we had an extradition treaty with Huzbekistan, the government probably
wouldn't spend their time to.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Get him back.
Speaker 13 (23:34):
Maybe the moral police should be looking for him, but
the police police should stop wasting their time. And he
didn't do anything illegal as far as I can tell,
except maybe the passport thing, and even that.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I don't know who you're referred to as the moral police.
I guess me I'm not the church lady, But haven't
you heard about prosecutions of people that fake their disappearance
while the government racks.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Up thousands and thousands.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Of dollars while they're all out searching for the missing person.
Speaker 13 (24:07):
Well, he faked his disappearance to his wife and then
he left. She called and said he was missing. She
called the police and did these things. So you're transferring
that kind from that fault to him, not her fault.
But she took the acts that could lead down the
path of criminal culpability.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Joining me right now is a very special guest, Billy Boomhauer,
mental health content creator.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
You can find her.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
On TikTok, Authentic Alpha on Insta Authentic Alpha co.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Billy Boomhauer.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Before I ask you any questions, I've just got to
show this.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Why can you advice on anything?
Speaker 14 (24:49):
I go to is Becca stan or stay here?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
See that one was do I go to is Bekistan
or stay here?
Speaker 14 (24:56):
Do you have family there?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
No?
Speaker 14 (24:59):
Why do you want to go to meet a woman?
To meet a woman?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
And it was as from Pakistan?
Speaker 14 (25:06):
From Pakistan, you don't like American women?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Oh they're familiar, They're familiar. Is that a bad thing?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I guess he wants some strange as some of my
defendants have said. Okay, that's Billy Boomhauer, who's with us
right now talking to a guy that looks a lot
like Bogwart. Okay, I didn't take his fingerprint or get
his DNA buckle swab, but that looks like Bogwart to me?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Uh is it? Wait? Excuse me, but that looks like
Borgwart to me?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Joining me, Bailly Boomhwer, Bailly, what prompted you to ask
advice from the Borgwart lookalike?
Speaker 7 (25:53):
I was just doing my advice series and then this
man came up on his bike and then started asking
all those questions, and he after like, looking into more,
it looks like it could be Ryan.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Take a listen to more of Bailey Boomhauer's interview with
a man we believe to be missing Dad, Ryan Borgwart.
Speaker 14 (26:15):
So you've given up on meeting someone here?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
No, I'm married.
Speaker 14 (26:20):
Oh yeah, but you you want to find someone else?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Empty nest.
Speaker 11 (26:26):
I'm not sure that's what I'm asking you.
Speaker 15 (26:29):
Wait, empty nest, what do you mean my kids are Wait?
So you want to find like adopt a child?
Speaker 11 (26:38):
No, No, I want to find a companion that I'm
content with and more, I.
Speaker 15 (26:44):
Think that requires you to divorce someone first.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Well maybe or is she okay with us? That's a
good question.
Speaker 14 (26:59):
Have you had a conversation about that?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So?
Speaker 14 (27:04):
Would it be like a thropple or something?
Speaker 10 (27:07):
No?
Speaker 14 (27:10):
Oh you would you guys would get a divorce?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Possibly? Possibly? Yeah, Billy, did you.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Ever imagine that that I guess beachside video you took
would be part of a missing person's case?
Speaker 7 (27:26):
I had no clue. And then it wasn't until recently
that people started tagging me and like tagging all these
news channels and commenting that they think it was Ryan.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Let's see a picture of Borgwart and compare. Okay, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Think we've got some more. You be the judge.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Is she talking to this guy? That's an older picture.
He has less hair than he did in that most
recent picture.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Oh kidoki?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
All right, let's take a listen to more of Billy
Boomhauer's interview with who we believe to be Ryan Borgwart.
Speaker 15 (28:05):
Do you just feel like there's no love left between
you guys?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Diminished?
Speaker 14 (28:10):
Finished?
Speaker 15 (28:13):
Well, I think you guys should definitely have that discussion
and see where things are going between you two before
you leave the country. Yeah, but yeah, I would. I
think you guys should sort out where your marriage.
Speaker 14 (28:30):
Is right now. I think that's the first thing to do.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I'm going to just go out on a limb and
go back to doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist, Doctor Delatory.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
You earlier, you were.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Talking about how he Borgwart was manipulated online. You do
hear what he is saying to Billy Boomhauer, right, he
has quote dim law for his wife after she's given
birth to three.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Of his children and taking care.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Of them and him, and now he's like, it's diminished.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Did you hear that? I did hear that? Yeah? And
you don't think he's been manipulated? Good?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Oh?
Speaker 12 (29:17):
Still again, I do still think he's being manipulated. I
do think he's being told that whatever love he feels
isn't there anymore. And I'm sure that he's being exploited.
And I'm sure I mean gift cards. Right, we saw
the list of things that the police had had said
that we're part of this investigation. Airline gift cards. I
mean the only thing missing is cryptocurrency. I mean, come on,
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three hundred and fifty dollars three hundred and fifty thousand
dollars life insurance policy. This guy is soft. This guy
doesn't want to have a difficult conversation about where his
marriage is. He just wants to leave his family and
he doesn't want to have any consequences associated with that.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
That's I don't know why you keep taking up for him,
claiming that he's the one being manipulated.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
The the only place I'm getting any straight answers right
now is from Bailly Boomhauer, who, on a lark, was
offering advice out along the water.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Where were you exactly, Bailly?
Speaker 7 (30:13):
I was in Pacific Beach, Sandy Ago.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Okay, listen to more of Bailly Boomhauer speaking to who
we believe to be Borgward, and I.
Speaker 14 (30:25):
Think you'll feel less lost and like things are up
in the air.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Yeah. Six months later, Yeah.
Speaker 14 (30:39):
You guys should sort that out.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
That's the advice.
Speaker 14 (30:43):
Yes, you need to figure out where you're what's going on?
Why is it not possible?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
In decision?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Okay, in decision? So because of his indecision, he's led
not only his wife and his children, but an entire
Griff's force, divers and dogs on a wild goose Chase
because he can't decide to stay with his wife and
family or leave for some woman he thinks.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
He's going to meet in his Bekistan. Okay, more, I
feel like you.
Speaker 15 (31:13):
Indecision is a decision in itself because if you're even questioning,
really nice to meet you. Yeah, talk to your wife,
sort it out. Yeah, you guys need to know be
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on the same page with what's happening.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Ladies, when you run into mister indecision, run for the
hills as if you had seen a monster.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
That's my advice. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
The judge also ordered the philandering dad to pay thirty
grand to Green Lake County Sheriff's office in the Wisconsin
Department of Natural Resources because that's about how much they
spent trying to find his sorry rear end.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I'm looking at him right now, he's not even all that.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
In fact, he's not even remotely handsome, and he's obviously
not smart. So what was the draw to start with?
His wife is so cute, and she's the mother of
his children. I mean, plus she works full time, she's
bringing home the money.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Oh, and he went for a big hoe.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Excuse me, mistress okay overseas spending all that money.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Ouch.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
When I said idiot, boy, did I mean idiot? Borgwart
had been speaking to this woman in Isbekistan before he
obtained his new passport and a three hundred and seventy
five thousand dollars life insurance policy in January, maybe wishing
she got the money about right now that said, here's
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the crime you.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Got this video.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Billy Boomhauer, mental health content creator on TikTok, Authentic Alpha
on Insta Authentic Alpha co.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
What was your impression of this guy?
Speaker 7 (33:20):
It was just such a bizarre encounter. Just the whole time,
he kind of was like I thought maybe he was
on something or I really couldn't tell if he was
just like joking or if it was real. But then
the longer it went on, it just seems like it
was a legitimate, like legitimate thing he was asking. But
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as you could see, I was kind of confused the
whole time because it was just such a bizarre encounter.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Why not write a d.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I met that, Oh the way I am right here.
Speaker 12 (33:54):
Go go one street at the seven eleven.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
It was going on, I've got my family and that on.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
The phone this week and.
Speaker 15 (34:06):
I get out from from Atlanta to work.
Speaker 14 (34:10):
I don't know what mynds's fill on the knees.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Woman, you were not kidnapped.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
You faked your own disappearance on the eve of your wedding.
Jennifer Wilbanks, known as the runaway bridey, Hey, I can't
wait to get a hold of Gregory Moore's high profile
lawyer on this.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Do you hear going? Is this she's really sucking up? Snot?
Let's listen to some more about how.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I would say her.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
I mean, I would say in her forties, maybe it was.
Speaker 12 (34:43):
Her.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
You have flag?
Speaker 12 (34:45):
Was it longer?
Speaker 14 (34:45):
Short?
Speaker 7 (34:45):
St have any facial hair?
Speaker 12 (34:47):
No, we'll color short Jacky with you.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
I want to ask on him.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
I don't know Marion jacking and I don't know what
colors now? And B the blue band like.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
A word band we're going to convert.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
It wasn't a meaning.
Speaker 12 (35:06):
It was like a like a like a painter work
band direction.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
They I have no idea where I am.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
You know, I could just listen to her nyl and
call all day long. But to gregor remorse, she goes
so far beyond faking her own kidnap, her own fake kidnap.
She actually describes the suspects. They're Hispanic. According to her,
it was all a hoax, Morse, and she was forced
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to pay tens of thousands of dollars to reimburse the
government for her search.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Now you can't order reimbursement. A judge can't do that
unless you're convicted of something. Now you were earlier saying
this isn't a crime.
Speaker 13 (35:50):
Well, Nancy, it's not exactly. The big difference here is
a person that fakes their own death death can make
a false police reporting, call nine one one. They're supposed
to be dead. And that's what we have here. The
example you showed, or even the Jesse Smallet case. Those
people called the police. They committed the crime of filing
a false police report. That's able to be charges.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
But again here we don't have that.
Speaker 13 (36:15):
We have a guy who lied to his family. Not
a nice guy, but not a criminal with regard to
that aspect. Maybe a civil lawsuit by the local police,
they can have at it. They'd probably waste more money
and legal fees than they wouldn't collecting. But Borgenwort didn't
commit a crime here for being this search. He didn't
call the police and create a false report, So you're wrong.
(36:37):
There is nothing wrong here. He's no crime for this guy,
and probably the jokes on him.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
What do you mean the joke's on him, Morris? Well,
I agree with your doctor.
Speaker 13 (36:46):
I've been a criminal defense lawyer a long long time
and 'll tail signs of the victim of a scam.
So when he shows up to that beautiful woman he
believes he's going to see in Uzbekkistan, he's going to
see an empty place and he's going to have lost
all his money. So while it's horrible for the family,
this guy's going to probably suffer for his ridiculous decision
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to leave his family and be you know.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Okay, hold on great remorse.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
While faking one's death in itself may not be illegal,
what if it is part of a fraudulent plan like
insurance fraud.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Remember the three hundred and seventy five thousand dollar policy
he took out. I do not about that.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Row.
Speaker 13 (37:34):
Well, there's nothing wrong with providing for your family, which
sounds good. However, if he caused or knew that someone
was going to make the insurance claim, then we start
getting into the crime area. It's not a crime to
provide for your family, even if you leave them a
week later nothing and lie to them about it. There's
no crime there unless someone tries to get the insurance
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money and claims he's deceased. And if the wife tried
to do that, now I would venture she's probably criminally
liable because there's enough evidence to know this guy's probably
alive somewhere.
Speaker 9 (38:07):
A shocking update and a missing kayaker case months after
his kayak has found overturned authorities suspect Ryan Borgwart may
be alive and far from home.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Barry Golden joining me, former Senior inspector US Marshall Service translation,
they go all over the world finding fugitives now owner
of Golden Consulting and Investigations at goldendashci dot com.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Barry, I think Gregory Morse.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
While I don't like what he's saying, I think a
lot of what he is saying is correct. I also
agree with him that unlike many other cases where we
hear about the US Marshals tracking down killers all around
the world, you know, like Caitlin Armstrong who murdered a
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pro bicker over jealousy, like McLeod who murdered his girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
There's so many that are brought back to the US
for justice.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I don't see the US marshals spending the money to
go halfway around the world with Uzbekistan with him. We
don't have any type of treaty spending all that money
to bring home basically a deadbeat dad who lies to
his wife and family and costs probably over one hundred
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thousand dollars search efforts.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Do you think they'll really look for him?
Speaker 11 (39:35):
Let me throw this at you, Dancy, Okay, you don't
think the sheriff's office in Watertown wants to get this
guy back on US soil if he is over in Europe.
Absolutely they do. If you look to the right of
the sheriff that was standing there at that press conference,
it looks like an FBI agent.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
So how about this?
Speaker 11 (39:51):
And I disagree with Greg because you can make this
what you want to get this guy back on US soil.
If this guy said that his passport was lost and stolen,
then he signed a DS sixty four, which is a
passport form that says I lost her my passport was stolen.
At the bottom of that form, it says all the
information on this form is true and accurate under the
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penalty of perjury. So he may have committed a federal
crime by committing a false statement on a government document.
So if that is true, the FBI can get a
warrant for his arrest. Now you can get a provisional
arrest warrant, and you can get him back from Uzbekistano,
wherever he may be in Europe. I think absolutely why
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would the FBI be involved if they don't get this
guy back and try to get back some restitution, because
he cost the sheriff's office thousands and thousands, probably north
of one hundred thousand dollars. Like you just said the
other thing.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I Barry Golden. Oh wait, go ahead, there's more.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
Well.
Speaker 11 (40:52):
I mean Watertown is two hundred and twenty miles from
the Canadian border. Okay, you know they ran his name
in Canada.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Okay, your death one oh one.
Speaker 11 (41:01):
You don't use your real name, all right, You've got
to be smarter than a fifth grader. Okay, so let's
start with that. Then he gets to Canada. How did
he get to Canada. He didn't take an uber It's
a two hundred and twenty dollars train ride to Canada.
Did he have help. Does somebody know his dirty little
secret that's going to keep it a secret? Who knows?
But the fact of the matter, he's in Europe he
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might be understand. So I think the Sheriff's office, working
with the FBI the Office of International Affairs, can get
an arrest warrant for making false statements on a government
document and get his tail back here to the US.
I'm sure his wife wants to slap up upside the
head and say, what the hell were you thinking? His
kids are probably went from being sad to being disgusted
(41:43):
at this guy. So I think they do whatever they have.
They've already spent enough money, thousands and thousands of dollars
trying to recover his body that was obviously not there.
They're going to get this guy back. You think the
Schriff's office is just going to say, Ah, he's in Europe,
he's gone.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
You know case No, Barry Golden, everything you said is
amazing and correct. Billy Boomhauer, who just happened to talk
to this guy on the waterfront and get basically a
confession from him. Billy Boomhower, you can find her on
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instag at Authentic Alpha Coo Billy. The last thing any
woman needs is mister indecisive. I just want to ask
you one more time, what was your sense of this
guy and what.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Do you think about being state's witness Number one?
Speaker 15 (42:39):
I would say the whole interaction seems very strange, and
it seemed like he already kind of had his mind made.
Speaker 7 (42:46):
Up about things, so when he was asking me questions,
I feel like he like visically did not want to
hear what I was saying. He just wanted me to
pretty much tell him like, yes, just go to his
back is stand and leave your family. And it just
seemed also like he just kept smiling to himself, So
I feel like he was almost like smug in a way.
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But I feel like it could have just been like
a confession right before he decided to disappear.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
The Wisconsin dad who fakes his own death on a
kayaking trip to be with his online Uzbekistan fleeing gets
just eighty nine days behind bars. Well, he's got a
lifetime trying to repair the relationship with his children, and
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he lost a beautiful, loving, and faithful wife in the deal.
That would be sentenced enough again, David, if you want
somebody else, run I'd be mad if you didn't go.
But don't spend the children's tuition money. Oh now, he says,
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he quote deeply regard rats his actions and the quote
pain I caused my family and friends. You know what,
You had an international flight to think about regret. You
could have turned right around when you touched down in
Eastern Europe.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
But did you do that. No, you went and tried
to sling up with another woman. I don't feel sorry
for you. I don't.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
He regularly communicated with this woman, professing his love and
desire to create a new life with her.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
He reversed his vast sect to me.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Oh, oh, that was a dirt sandwich. He applied for
a replacement passport, claiming the original one was stolen. Oh,
opened a new bank account, inquired about transferring funds to
foreign banks, stealing his children's money. You know what, I
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don't think eighty nine days is really enough for this guy.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
We wait as just as unfold. Goodbye, friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, a very much married Wisconsin
dad tries to fake his own death in an elaborate
kayak accident hoax in order to flee to Eastern Europe
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to be with a woman he meets online. Oh my stars,
to my husband, David, if you want to be with
someone else, don't spend all the money flying to Eastern
Europe and hooking up with some big hoe.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
All right, just leave, okay, but do not spend the
children's college fund to do it. You can go, You're free.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I may not be happy about it, but for Pete's sake,
don't mess with the money. Oh dear Lord in Heaven,
that's right. Ryan Borgwart carried out an elaborate stunt to
be with a mistress in the country of Georgia in
Eastern Europe. Now he's home. He pled no contest because
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he didn't have the backbone to say guilty to the
charge of obstruction. And now he learns his fate. And
let me just say up front, it's not harsh enough.
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I want to thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
First of all, let's have a little refresher course on
what Ryan Borgoort did.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I can't believe this guy. This is what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
On August twelfth, twenty twenty four, at five thirty two pm,
our office received a call from the Dutch Cony Sheriff's
Office in reference to a subject that did not return
home that evening and the last known location.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
He was was Green Lake.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Deputies headed that way check the areas around the lake
and found Ryan's vehicle along with his trailer, parked in
the area of Dodge Memorial Park. We immediately deployed our boat.
At six point thirty one, two of our deputies found
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a capsized kayak in the western part of the lake
in the area of two hundred and twenty foot.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Depth of water.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Where is the missing father of three? And we thought
dautiful and loving husband. His wife is refusing to comment
until she knows the truth about Ryan Borgwart.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
But this is not about her. This is about him.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
She is left with paying the house payment, taking care
of the children, and trying to move forward while.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
They ask where's daddy?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
But my question is where is Ryan borg wartt Joining
me in all Star panel to make sense of what
we know right now, But listen to this The last.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Contact with the phone and with Ryan was around ten
forty five and when we first got it was around
six o'clock the next morning.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I immediately called.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
My partners through the DNR and requested boats. My second
call was to Bruce's Legacy. Bruce's Legacy has helped us
in the past with draw memes that we've had on
our lake.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
And the reason why is because of the depth of
our lake.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Our lake is two hundred and thirty eight feet, the
largest lake in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
What a massive search?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Before I go to Keith kormackan the underwater search recovery
expert and director of Bruce's Legacy who searched for twenty
three days, divers put in danger to find the missing Dad,
hold tight. Keith cormanckn first to Alexis Tereschuk, joining US
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Alexis, I want to
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start with Dad kayaking alone on the river.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Tell me about that. So he goes off.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
On a boy's trip, a solo trip, while his wife stays.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Home and takes care of the three children. Is that's that?
Am I understanding that correctly?
Speaker 5 (04:44):
It's exactly right for work goes off, he goes to
this lake. It is. It's a pretty big lake, and
it is the actual deepest lake inland in Wisconsin. And
so he goes off, Oh my god, alexis summer.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Alexis. I looked it up. I researched the lake. I'm
glad you. He said, that is seven thousand, three hundred
and forty acres and twenty seven miles of shore and
goes nearly two hundred and forty feet deep.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
You're right, go ahead, And it's summer.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
It's August, so it's Wisconsin for folks. Wisconsin's pretty far north.
It stays light much later there. So he goes for
an evening kayak. Wife is not suspicious at all something
he does. He's outdoorsy, he likes and they live near
this lake. It's part of their family life.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So he goes.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Kayaking, and at ten o'clock, about ten forty five at night,
he sends his wife a text and he says, hey,
I'm about to head home now. And that is the
last thing that anyone heard from him.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So he goes kayaking and he's never heard from again.
Take a listen to what the Green Lake County Sheriff
Mark Podell says.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
We assembled around eight thirty Monday morning to get our
plan in place as to what we were going to do.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
As you can see in the.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Screen behind me shows the location of data guide that.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Guided our search. There was a number of things that
we got from the.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Phone that Ryan I had contact with his wife, and
the last one where it shows you on there, it
says last pin. That was one where he told her
that he was going to be turning around.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
And heading towards shore soon. We then got another thing
around the eleven.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Eleven fifty ish, And that was just the last thing
that we got on.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
The phone, eleven fifty ish at night, I take it,
alexis Tschuk.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yes, it was at night.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
It was that that evening. So there was he said
the text message to his wife. He says, I'm heading
out to shore, I meaning I'm on the lake. I'm
gonna head back to shore then I'll drive home. And
then they get one more pin right on the area
of the lake where he had been kayaking where the
first text message was sent from. And that is nothing
else from this phone.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And when is daddy reported missing that night? She panics,
his wife panics that night.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
But so let's talk with midnight the next day she
calls the police. They immediately first thing in the morning,
they send somebody. They send a team out to the
lake to look for him. This isn't at the time.
They just thought perhaps he's drowned. You lots of accidents
can happen on the water, so the police immediately go
out to search. He is a dad of three. He
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is missing. The wife calls. She has no idea of
anything that would be wrong with him and is panicked
about it.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Okay, so the last paying is at eleven fifty at
night PM, she reports him missing. He said two different
things that night and the following morning. When did she
report a missing simply put that night. So mom immediately
reports him missing and the search is on. Straight out
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to Keith Kormickan joining US underwater Search Recovery expert Director
Bruce's legacy search for twenty three days in dangerous water
for Vorgwart. Explain to me Keith, how side scan sonar
or sonar actually works well.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Our sonar is a very sophisticated four foot long torpedo.
I have extra weight on it, so it weighs a
total of one hundred pounds that needs to be told
on a cable and it needs to be told to
practically penn feed off the bottom. That generates sonar images
of absolutely everything on the bottom. You can see rock formation,
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we can see tree benches and just very great detail.
So we cover an area of about one hundred feet
on each side of the boat and we can't see
directly underneath it toe fish and we have to overlap,
so it does take some time and the yeah, we
are able to watch it on the screen in the
boat and mark targets and it gives us exact weight
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points of the location of targets and such. Once we
locate any targets avengers and we put the underwater robot down.
It has lights, cameras, recording capabilities, and its own sonar
who drive up to these targets and take a look
at them and see if what's what we're looking for
or not.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Another question, Keith cormickan, when you are out on this
dark water, could you explain how when you're looking at
sonar and everybody think a fish sonar.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
A lot of people use it when they're out fishing
and you.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
See something you can't really tell exactly what it is.
Keith Cormickan, how do you tell a person from debris
such as you know, a tree branch or some other
form of debris.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Well, that's that's the part that takes a lot of practice.
You know, there's a lot of images we get of
bodies that are what I call no brainers. You know,
they they're easy to easy to identify. But the ones
that make me, uh you know, you know, pretty popular,
is the ones that those those are the tougher images.
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They may be light and you know, in in in
and around the log weeds debris. Uh so they kind
of blend in with the surrounding areas. So you know,
I've had I don't know, I've done this a lot.
I spend a lot of time every year doing it,
so I've I've kind of gained a I don't know
what Naki might say to be able to identify bodies
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even in the hardest id you know, way to identify them.
So it's been very fortunate.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Question.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
What is your response, how do you feel about a
twenty three day search when now we think this guy
may be snugged up with a lover in Zbekistan.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Well, my first initial response when I first heard it
about it is, you know, I honestly My first response
was I was relieved because I had been second guessing
my capabilities for several days. Couldn't figure out, we know,
why could not find this guy. We covered this lake
more thorough than I've ever covered the lake. The second
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reaction was, you know, I was there when the share
A hit the family with the bombshell of the new information,
and I seen the response to the family and it
was pretty horrifying news for them to see. You know.
The reaction is, you know, was very tough. So you know,
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I felt a lot of remorse for them and what
they're going to be faced with. So that's very tough.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
You know.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Yeah, I'm not happy with what he did. And we
encountered a lot of expenses with some damage to our equipment,
So yeah, I'm not happy with what he did, the
choices he made. You know, people don't realize all the
expenses and in the anguish that.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Weasis, how much do you think you're out?
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Well, I know for sure. The first two weeks I
spent about ten thousand dollars sum in repairs, and then
I had to replace one of my pieces of the
equipment of forty five hundred dollars. So so yeah, I
had a tough first two weeks, and you know, and
then I damaged a couple of props because of the
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shallow water in some areas. So the Sheriff's apartment was
was very good about, you know, taking care of that,
in which in turn, one of the local businesses actually
donated a couple of props, so that local community, it
was just amazing down there.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
An interesting piece of evidence is found on the like listen,
there were some.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Boorters out there and one boat with two boat the
two fishermen on we're casting along.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
The bottom of the lake and they come up with
a fishing rod.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
That fishing rod was taken as evidence photograph and was
identified by the wife of the victim. So we continue
to search, figuring that could have been a point of interest.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
And at three thirty three that.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Same day, Tuesday, we found someone called and said that
they found a tackle box. The stuff inside that tackle
box had a.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Wallet and keys, then a license belonging to Riot.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
And what is the punishment for the married Wisconsin dad
who faked his own death in an elaborate scheme just
to go be with his hoe. Excuse me, mistress in
another country. He is getting the same amount of time
eighty nine days that LA law enforcement spent searching for him,
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most of that time his wife distraught.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Okay, what happened?
Speaker 9 (14:35):
Search and rescue organizations, the Sheriff's office and volunteers scour
Wisconsin's Green Lake, but there's no sign of the missing father.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Where is ryinan Borgwart? Is he dead?
Speaker 10 (14:52):
Did he drown? Is he missing somehow? Or is he
snugged up with his lover in Uzbekistan? Those are the
questions right now. In joining me and All Star panel
to make sense of what we know. Now we understand.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Cadaver dogs are brought out on the water a massive
body of water seven three hundred and forty acres twenty
seven miles of sure two hundred and thirty seven feet deep.
Look at that, the dangers to the divers immense. Now
dangers to the cadaver dogs. And isn't it true to
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Barry Golden, former US Marshall now PI very cadaver dogs
are especially trained to pick up a cent in water,
and it's very difficult for the dog in that type
of water two hundred and thirty seven feet deep.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
But dogs can pick up a scent in water.
Speaker 11 (15:54):
Yes, and it's it's very taxing on these dogs. And
you know, if it's a quick investig case or a
quick search, these dogs may pick up something or a
body or a scent of a body or something like
that really quick. But when this goes on and on
and on, these dogs get stressed out and they get
tiring and they're exhausted after a while. So sometimes they
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have to use two and three dogs and work them
in shifts to keep on going. Because this is a
huge lake, so it's a big undergoing to get these
dogs out there. Sometimes every department doesn't have a cadaver
dog and they have to go to other departments to
borrow those dogs. Other canine dogs always come in and
help out because these dogs get very exhausted searching and
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searching and searching and walking through these woods.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And then a surprise Keith from.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Rusus Life Seat and he said to me, he said, Sheriff.
He said, I've done a lot of searching and I
can't find He also told me to share it for worry.
Not giving up, he called the company and was asking
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for another piece of equipment, a top notch s sotar
and it was a new.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
One, but it's going to be a couple of weeks after.
We said we gotta go a different direction, and they did.
The direction we went.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Was offline and we found out that his name was
run on August thirteenth.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Wow. Yeah, that was something we didn't expect.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
That's the Green Lake County Sheriff, Mark Poddell speaking to us.
You know, I've got to clarify it. Lex as Terreschuk
joining us Climb online dot Com investigator reporter. Sheriff says
his name was run August thirteen.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Now, remember he has his water.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Mishap on August eleven. What did the sheriff mean by
that his name was run?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Ryan Borgwart's name was run.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
What it happened was is that his passport was used
in Canada, so that at the border crossing it was
discovered they put his name, I suppose, into a national
database with his passport information and it showed up as
him going into Canada the next or two days later.
So went missing on August eleven. People started searching.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
After a twenty three day search, putting lives at risk,
dogs at risk. I can't tell you, and I've been
on a lot of deep dives literally deep dives in
dark water all across the world. It can be very
dangerous think about it. But aside from that, what about
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his wife and his.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Children at home? To Bailly excuse me, sorry, Billy?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
To doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist specializing in forensic psychology.
You can find him at resolution fcs dot com. Doctor Delatory,
How can you allow your wife, your spouse, and your
children to think you're dead while your passport lets you
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enter Canada?
Speaker 12 (19:29):
Yeah, listen, we're going to talk about this guy, and
we're gonna I think we're going to come up with
some ideas that this is not really someone who is
capable of having a difficult conversation. This is a guy
who's easily manipulated. Right, He's constantly wanting attention, but he's
not getting the attention that he wants.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You know, let me use a legal phrase on you, Delatory.
What the hell are you talking about? He is easily manipulated, Jackie.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Have I gone and say is this is a bad dream?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
This is real? Are you saying he's easily manipulated? I
asked you about his wife and his children, and all
of those people, the.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Divers, the men and women out they're risking their lives
at two hundred and forty feet below the surface, trying
to find.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
This POC cares about it? Can you tell me he's manipulating?
Speaker 12 (20:20):
He cares about something other than them, He cares about
things other than his family. He doesn't care that he
put an entire community risk. He doesn't care about saying to.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Be lover in his Bekistan.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yes, then why are you telling me he's easily manipulated
my rear end?
Speaker 12 (20:37):
Because I mean, could he be talking to someone who
knows Pakistan? I mean sure, but he's most likely talking
to some man in Southeast Asia who's convinced him to
start donating all kinds of money.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
That. Okay, so control yourself, Okay, delatory, you're worried that.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
He could be talking to a guy in his underwear
needs and not a hotty from his bed, that's what
you're focused on.
Speaker 12 (21:02):
I'm not worried about.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Well, why are you even talking about that? That's not
what I asked you.
Speaker 12 (21:05):
But I'm not worried about what he's.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Going to ask you.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
How could you let your wife and children think you're dead.
I've lived through my fiance's murder.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I know what it feels like. To think he's dead.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
And every time my husband is late or he doesn't
land on time, I think.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Is he dead? That's what happens.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
That's what this woman is probably still going through.
Speaker 12 (21:31):
You doesn't love his wife or his children anymore. He
doesn't love them anymore at all. He doesn't care about what.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Did he ever? Did he ever?
Speaker 12 (21:40):
Probably at some point, but certainly not now.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
You know, I just doctor delatory.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I know you have a lot of degrees, and you
are renowned psychologist and mediator, but I don't know what
to think about you right now. I ask you about
how could you let your wife and children think you're
dead all this time when you're shacked up with a
hattie in Uzbekistan.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
We're so, we think, and you talk to.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Me about how he's minneapolated by some naked guy online
and whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I don't care. I care about what he's done to
his wife and family.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
If in fact this is true, you know what, control
and put him in the corner. I'm going to give
him a few minutes to think about what he has said.
Gregory Morse joining me, high profile lawyer with King and
Morse current CGA Council Southern District of Florida, former public
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defender and author of The Untested on Amazon. You can
find him at Kingmorselaw dot com.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Gregory, what about it? Is this a crime if it's true?
Speaker 13 (22:52):
Well, no, it's not a crime. If it's true. People
lie to their spouses all the time. People tell their
spouses or their children they're going to the corner store
and they never come home. And even if it is
a crime, Nancy, it doesn't really matter because we don't
have an extradition treaty with Uzbekistan. If that's in fact
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where he is, maybe there could be a crime with
this passport application, But how do you approve he didn't
lose his passport. That's not an easy thing to prove,
and that's a low grade felony anyway. So even if
we had an extradition treaty with Huzbekistan, the government probably
wouldn't spend their time to.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Get him back.
Speaker 13 (23:34):
Maybe the moral police should be looking for him, but
the police police should stop wasting their time. And he
didn't do anything illegal as far as I can tell,
except maybe the passport thing, and even that.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I don't know who you're referred to as the moral police.
I guess me I'm not the church lady, But haven't
you heard about prosecutions of people that fake their disappearance
while the government racks.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Up thousands and thousands.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Of dollars while they're all out searching for the missing person.
Speaker 13 (24:07):
Well, he faked his disappearance to his wife and then
he left. She called and said he was missing. She
called the police and did these things. So you're transferring
that kind from that fault to him, not her fault.
But she took the acts that could lead down the
path of criminal culpability.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Joining me right now is a very special guest, Billy Boomhauer,
mental health content creator.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
You can find her.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
On TikTok, Authentic Alpha on Insta Authentic Alpha co.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Billy Boomhauer.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Before I ask you any questions, I've just got to
show this.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Why can you advice on anything?
Speaker 14 (24:49):
I go to is Becca stan or stay here?
Speaker 2 (24:52):
See that one was do I go to is Bekistan
or stay here?
Speaker 14 (24:56):
Do you have family there?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
No?
Speaker 14 (24:59):
Why do you want to go to meet a woman?
To meet a woman?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
And it was as from Pakistan?
Speaker 14 (25:06):
From Pakistan, you don't like American women?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Oh they're familiar, They're familiar. Is that a bad thing?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I guess he wants some strange as some of my
defendants have said. Okay, that's Billy Boomhauer, who's with us
right now talking to a guy that looks a lot
like Bogwart. Okay, I didn't take his fingerprint or get
his DNA buckle swab, but that looks like Bogwart to me?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Uh is it? Wait? Excuse me, but that looks like
Borgwart to me?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Joining me, Bailly Boomhwer, Bailly, what prompted you to ask
advice from the Borgwart lookalike?
Speaker 7 (25:53):
I was just doing my advice series and then this
man came up on his bike and then started asking
all those questions, and he after like, looking into more,
it looks like it could be Ryan.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Take a listen to more of Bailey Boomhauer's interview with
a man we believe to be missing Dad, Ryan Borgwart.
Speaker 14 (26:15):
So you've given up on meeting someone here?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
No, I'm married.
Speaker 14 (26:20):
Oh yeah, but you you want to find someone else?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Empty nest.
Speaker 11 (26:26):
I'm not sure that's what I'm asking you.
Speaker 15 (26:29):
Wait, empty nest, what do you mean my kids are Wait?
So you want to find like adopt a child?
Speaker 11 (26:38):
No, No, I want to find a companion that I'm
content with and more, I.
Speaker 15 (26:44):
Think that requires you to divorce someone first.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Well maybe or is she okay with us? That's a
good question.
Speaker 14 (26:59):
Have you had a conversation about that?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So?
Speaker 14 (27:04):
Would it be like a thropple or something?
Speaker 10 (27:07):
No?
Speaker 14 (27:10):
Oh you would you guys would get a divorce?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Possibly? Possibly? Yeah, Billy, did you.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Ever imagine that that I guess beachside video you took
would be part of a missing person's case?
Speaker 7 (27:26):
I had no clue. And then it wasn't until recently
that people started tagging me and like tagging all these
news channels and commenting that they think it was Ryan.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Let's see a picture of Borgwart and compare. Okay, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Think we've got some more. You be the judge.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Is she talking to this guy? That's an older picture.
He has less hair than he did in that most
recent picture.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Oh kidoki?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
All right, let's take a listen to more of Billy
Boomhauer's interview with who we believe to be Ryan Borgwart.
Speaker 15 (28:05):
Do you just feel like there's no love left between
you guys?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Diminished?
Speaker 14 (28:10):
Finished?
Speaker 15 (28:13):
Well, I think you guys should definitely have that discussion
and see where things are going between you two before
you leave the country. Yeah, but yeah, I would. I
think you guys should sort out where your marriage.
Speaker 14 (28:30):
Is right now. I think that's the first thing to do.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I'm going to just go out on a limb and
go back to doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist, Doctor Delatory.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
You earlier, you were.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Talking about how he Borgwart was manipulated online. You do
hear what he is saying to Billy Boomhauer, right, he
has quote dim law for his wife after she's given
birth to three.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Of his children and taking care.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Of them and him, and now he's like, it's diminished.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Did you hear that? I did hear that? Yeah? And
you don't think he's been manipulated? Good?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Oh?
Speaker 12 (29:17):
Still again, I do still think he's being manipulated. I
do think he's being told that whatever love he feels
isn't there anymore. And I'm sure that he's being exploited.
And I'm sure I mean gift cards. Right, we saw
the list of things that the police had had said
that we're part of this investigation. Airline gift cards. I
mean the only thing missing is cryptocurrency. I mean, come on,
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three hundred and fifty dollars three hundred and fifty thousand
dollars life insurance policy. This guy is soft. This guy
doesn't want to have a difficult conversation about where his
marriage is. He just wants to leave his family and
he doesn't want to have any consequences associated with that.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
That's I don't know why you keep taking up for him,
claiming that he's the one being manipulated.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
The the only place I'm getting any straight answers right
now is from Bailly Boomhauer, who, on a lark, was
offering advice out along the water.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Where were you exactly, Bailly?
Speaker 7 (30:13):
I was in Pacific Beach, Sandy Ago.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Okay, listen to more of Bailly Boomhauer speaking to who
we believe to be Borgward, and I.
Speaker 14 (30:25):
Think you'll feel less lost and like things are up
in the air.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Yeah. Six months later, Yeah.
Speaker 14 (30:39):
You guys should sort that out.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
That's the advice.
Speaker 14 (30:43):
Yes, you need to figure out where you're what's going on?
Why is it not possible?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
In decision?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Okay, in decision? So because of his indecision, he's led
not only his wife and his children, but an entire
Griff's force, divers and dogs on a wild goose Chase
because he can't decide to stay with his wife and
family or leave for some woman he thinks.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
He's going to meet in his Bekistan. Okay, more, I
feel like you.
Speaker 15 (31:13):
Indecision is a decision in itself because if you're even questioning,
really nice to meet you. Yeah, talk to your wife,
sort it out. Yeah, you guys need to know be
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on the same page with what's happening.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Ladies, when you run into mister indecision, run for the
hills as if you had seen a monster.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
That's my advice. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
The judge also ordered the philandering dad to pay thirty
grand to Green Lake County Sheriff's office in the Wisconsin
Department of Natural Resources because that's about how much they
spent trying to find his sorry rear end.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I'm looking at him right now, he's not even all that.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
In fact, he's not even remotely handsome, and he's obviously
not smart. So what was the draw to start with?
His wife is so cute, and she's the mother of
his children. I mean, plus she works full time, she's
bringing home the money.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Oh, and he went for a big hoe.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Excuse me, mistress okay overseas spending all that money.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Ouch.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
When I said idiot, boy, did I mean idiot? Borgwart
had been speaking to this woman in Isbekistan before he
obtained his new passport and a three hundred and seventy
five thousand dollars life insurance policy in January, maybe wishing
she got the money about right now that said, here's
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the crime you.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Got this video.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Billy Boomhauer, mental health content creator on TikTok, Authentic Alpha
on Insta Authentic Alpha co.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
What was your impression of this guy?
Speaker 7 (33:20):
It was just such a bizarre encounter. Just the whole time,
he kind of was like I thought maybe he was
on something or I really couldn't tell if he was
just like joking or if it was real. But then
the longer it went on, it just seems like it
was a legitimate, like legitimate thing he was asking. But
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as you could see, I was kind of confused the
whole time because it was just such a bizarre encounter.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Why not write a d.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I met that, Oh the way I am right here.
Speaker 12 (33:54):
Go go one street at the seven eleven.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
It was going on, I've got my family and that on.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
The phone this week and.
Speaker 15 (34:06):
I get out from from Atlanta to work.
Speaker 14 (34:10):
I don't know what mynds's fill on the knees.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Woman, you were not kidnapped.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
You faked your own disappearance on the eve of your wedding.
Jennifer Wilbanks, known as the runaway bridey, Hey, I can't
wait to get a hold of Gregory Moore's high profile
lawyer on this.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Do you hear going? Is this she's really sucking up? Snot?
Let's listen to some more about how.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I would say her.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
I mean, I would say in her forties, maybe it was.
Speaker 12 (34:43):
Her.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
You have flag?
Speaker 12 (34:45):
Was it longer?
Speaker 14 (34:45):
Short?
Speaker 7 (34:45):
St have any facial hair?
Speaker 12 (34:47):
No, we'll color short Jacky with you.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
I want to ask on him.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
I don't know Marion jacking and I don't know what
colors now? And B the blue band like.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
A word band we're going to convert.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
It wasn't a meaning.
Speaker 12 (35:06):
It was like a like a like a painter work
band direction.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
They I have no idea where I am.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
You know, I could just listen to her nyl and
call all day long. But to gregor remorse, she goes
so far beyond faking her own kidnap, her own fake kidnap.
She actually describes the suspects. They're Hispanic. According to her,
it was all a hoax, Morse, and she was forced
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to pay tens of thousands of dollars to reimburse the
government for her search.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Now you can't order reimbursement. A judge can't do that
unless you're convicted of something. Now you were earlier saying
this isn't a crime.
Speaker 13 (35:50):
Well, Nancy, it's not exactly. The big difference here is
a person that fakes their own death death can make
a false police reporting, call nine one one. They're supposed
to be dead. And that's what we have here. The
example you showed, or even the Jesse Smallet case. Those
people called the police. They committed the crime of filing
a false police report. That's able to be charges.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
But again here we don't have that.
Speaker 13 (36:15):
We have a guy who lied to his family. Not
a nice guy, but not a criminal with regard to
that aspect. Maybe a civil lawsuit by the local police,
they can have at it. They'd probably waste more money
and legal fees than they wouldn't collecting. But Borgenwort didn't
commit a crime here for being this search. He didn't
call the police and create a false report, So you're wrong.
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There is nothing wrong here. He's no crime for this guy,
and probably the jokes on him.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
What do you mean the joke's on him, Morris? Well,
I agree with your doctor.
Speaker 13 (36:46):
I've been a criminal defense lawyer a long long time
and 'll tail signs of the victim of a scam.
So when he shows up to that beautiful woman he
believes he's going to see in Uzbekkistan, he's going to
see an empty place and he's going to have lost
all his money. So while it's horrible for the family,
this guy's going to probably suffer for his ridiculous decision
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to leave his family and be you know.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Okay, hold on great remorse.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
While faking one's death in itself may not be illegal,
what if it is part of a fraudulent plan like
insurance fraud.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Remember the three hundred and seventy five thousand dollar policy
he took out. I do not about that.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Row.
Speaker 13 (37:34):
Well, there's nothing wrong with providing for your family, which
sounds good. However, if he caused or knew that someone
was going to make the insurance claim, then we start
getting into the crime area. It's not a crime to
provide for your family, even if you leave them a
week later nothing and lie to them about it. There's
no crime there unless someone tries to get the insurance
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money and claims he's deceased. And if the wife tried
to do that, now I would venture she's probably criminally
liable because there's enough evidence to know this guy's probably
alive somewhere.
Speaker 9 (38:07):
A shocking update and a missing kayaker case months after
his kayak has found overturned authorities suspect Ryan Borgwart may
be alive and far from home.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Barry Golden joining me, former Senior inspector US Marshall Service translation,
they go all over the world finding fugitives now owner
of Golden Consulting and Investigations at goldendashci dot com.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Barry, I think Gregory Morse.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
While I don't like what he's saying, I think a
lot of what he is saying is correct. I also
agree with him that unlike many other cases where we
hear about the US Marshals tracking down killers all around
the world, you know, like Caitlin Armstrong who murdered a
(38:58):
pro bicker over jealousy, like McLeod who murdered his girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
There's so many that are brought back to the US
for justice.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I don't see the US marshals spending the money to
go halfway around the world with Uzbekistan with him. We
don't have any type of treaty spending all that money
to bring home basically a deadbeat dad who lies to
his wife and family and costs probably over one hundred
(39:31):
thousand dollars search efforts.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Do you think they'll really look for him?
Speaker 11 (39:35):
Let me throw this at you, Dancy, Okay, you don't
think the sheriff's office in Watertown wants to get this
guy back on US soil if he is over in Europe.
Absolutely they do. If you look to the right of
the sheriff that was standing there at that press conference,
it looks like an FBI agent.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
So how about this?
Speaker 11 (39:51):
And I disagree with Greg because you can make this
what you want to get this guy back on US soil.
If this guy said that his passport was lost and stolen,
then he signed a DS sixty four, which is a
passport form that says I lost her my passport was stolen.
At the bottom of that form, it says all the
information on this form is true and accurate under the
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penalty of perjury. So he may have committed a federal
crime by committing a false statement on a government document.
So if that is true, the FBI can get a
warrant for his arrest. Now you can get a provisional
arrest warrant, and you can get him back from Uzbekistano,
wherever he may be in Europe. I think absolutely why
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would the FBI be involved if they don't get this
guy back and try to get back some restitution, because
he cost the sheriff's office thousands and thousands, probably north
of one hundred thousand dollars. Like you just said the
other thing.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I Barry Golden. Oh wait, go ahead, there's more.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
Well.
Speaker 11 (40:52):
I mean Watertown is two hundred and twenty miles from
the Canadian border. Okay, you know they ran his name
in Canada.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Okay, your death one oh one.
Speaker 11 (41:01):
You don't use your real name, all right, You've got
to be smarter than a fifth grader. Okay, so let's
start with that. Then he gets to Canada. How did
he get to Canada. He didn't take an uber It's
a two hundred and twenty dollars train ride to Canada.
Did he have help. Does somebody know his dirty little
secret that's going to keep it a secret? Who knows?
But the fact of the matter, he's in Europe he
(41:22):
might be understand. So I think the Sheriff's office, working
with the FBI the Office of International Affairs, can get
an arrest warrant for making false statements on a government
document and get his tail back here to the US.
I'm sure his wife wants to slap up upside the
head and say, what the hell were you thinking? His
kids are probably went from being sad to being disgusted
(41:43):
at this guy. So I think they do whatever they have.
They've already spent enough money, thousands and thousands of dollars
trying to recover his body that was obviously not there.
They're going to get this guy back. You think the
Schriff's office is just going to say, Ah, he's in Europe,
he's gone.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
You know case No, Barry Golden, everything you said is
amazing and correct. Billy Boomhauer, who just happened to talk
to this guy on the waterfront and get basically a
confession from him. Billy Boomhower, you can find her on
(42:20):
instag at Authentic Alpha Coo Billy. The last thing any
woman needs is mister indecisive. I just want to ask
you one more time, what was your sense of this
guy and what.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Do you think about being state's witness Number one?
Speaker 15 (42:39):
I would say the whole interaction seems very strange, and
it seemed like he already kind of had his mind made.
Speaker 7 (42:46):
Up about things, so when he was asking me questions,
I feel like he like visically did not want to
hear what I was saying. He just wanted me to
pretty much tell him like, yes, just go to his
back is stand and leave your family. And it just
seemed also like he just kept smiling to himself, So
I feel like he was almost like smug in a way.
(43:07):
But I feel like it could have just been like
a confession right before he decided to disappear.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
The Wisconsin dad who fakes his own death on a
kayaking trip to be with his online Uzbekistan fleeing gets
just eighty nine days behind bars. Well, he's got a
lifetime trying to repair the relationship with his children, and
(43:36):
he lost a beautiful, loving, and faithful wife in the deal.
That would be sentenced enough again, David, if you want
somebody else, run I'd be mad if you didn't go.
But don't spend the children's tuition money. Oh now, he says,
(43:58):
he quote deeply regard rats his actions and the quote
pain I caused my family and friends. You know what,
You had an international flight to think about regret. You
could have turned right around when you touched down in
Eastern Europe.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
But did you do that. No, you went and tried
to sling up with another woman. I don't feel sorry
for you. I don't.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
He regularly communicated with this woman, professing his love and
desire to create a new life with her.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
He reversed his vast sect to me.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Oh, oh, that was a dirt sandwich. He applied for
a replacement passport, claiming the original one was stolen. Oh,
opened a new bank account, inquired about transferring funds to
foreign banks, stealing his children's money. You know what, I
(44:52):
don't think eighty nine days is really enough for this guy.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
We wait as just as unfold. Goodbye, friend,
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Nancy Grace
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