December 10, 2025 • 38 mins
Is it safe to snort human remains? Rory and Josh investigate. Also, the CIA win first prize at the science fair.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What if I had pronounce it?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:03):
What if.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Campsite media.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
So I've got a good question for you here to
start the day.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
M h.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I think you're gonna have I hope you're gonna have
a great answer for this one.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
So okay, a lot of pressure here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
What's the weirdest or the worst thing you've ever snorted?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh? Well, if you were trying to get me to drugs,
I'll never give you that, Josh, I'll never give you
that I've snorted drugs. In fact, this makes me think
the whole podcast up until now has been a trap.
Damn it, you're a nar all right, drop the show.
(00:57):
He knows he figured it out. I would probably the
craziest thing I've ever snorted was an eraser off of
a pencil, and luckily was able to blow it right
back out, because I can't imagine the road that would
have been.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Like I am, I once tried snuff and it was
just terrible. And I don't smoke and I never chewed
to me, but I don't know why I did it,
and it was god awful.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
And you tried to snort it.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Well, that is a thing that people do, I think,
or was I using it wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I want to say, you were using it wrong, dam
I think, isn't it like dip or like chew?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
If it was, then it definitely went in the wrong orifice.
Well say as dumb as these criminals, Josh, I mean,
they didn't choose me to host for snuff is nothing
compared to what we're going to talk about this week
on Crime List, when we tackle the very important and
often uncomfortable matter of fake drugs, Starting with a story
(01:59):
about some burglars who thought they'd stumbled into a giant
stash of cocaine, only to find out later it definitely
wasn't cocaine. What was it? That's after the break. Welcome
(02:21):
back to Crime lest, the podcast that celebrates the amazing
creativity of the world's dumbest criminals.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I'm Josh Dean and I am Rory Scoville, and I
would just like to let everyone know during the break
we looked it up. Josh was right, you can snort
snuff ha vindicata. There there you go.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I mean, it didn't make me any cooler or less.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yes it did. Our listeners, now hold you way above me.
They know that I'm a nerd who doesn't how to
do drugs, and they know that you've done.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Drugs tobacco anyway, So I'm not exactly up on my
statutes of limitation. See what I did there, Like attorneys general.
So I'm not going to ask you invasive questions about
your own drug use except when completely necessary.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I mean, you live in Colorado, so we can all
safely assume you spoke weed.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
There you go, edibles, joint, I smoke snuff, I swallow snuff,
I ingest snuff. No, I think Colorado it's fully legal
all things I think. I don't really know. I think
mushrooms may be psychedelics, psilo cybin at least I know
is legal, just based on the fact that you can
now get it in fancy corporate packaging, which is always
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a sign that it's legal.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Road trip too, We're gonna tape in Colorado and we're
all gonna eat shrooms before, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And do an episode, a live episode, the first live
crime less.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Well, that's actually a great idea.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's a horrible idea, actually, Josh, I mean eye the Beholder.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Anyway, We're not here to talk about real drug this week.
We're talking fake drugs. Yeah, which for me is a
subject that goes all the way back to high school,
when I'm pretty sure I smoked a regano or some
like mixed herbs at a party because I was told
it was weed and thought it was cool. Yeah, but
what got me thinking about this was a story from
twenty eleven. That's the year of the Japanese tsunami, Kate's
(04:10):
marriage to Prince William and Osama bin Laden's death. But
after today, you're gonna remember the year twenty eleven best
for the story of five young dudes in Silver Springs Shores,
Florida who got arrested for burglarizing a home.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Florida classic, here we go.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Do you know where Silver Springs Shores is?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
By chance? No one does, No one ever will well
until after this episode.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, it's it's kind of important because Silver Springs Shores
is a misnomer. It's definitely not on the shore or
anywhere near the shore. It's smack in the middle of Florida, near.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Okalla, Florida. You are too consistent.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It's so on branch.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
How many people bought houses in Silver Springs Shores?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Things unseen? Assumed it was waterfront property.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
One thing. But I think this is kind of important
because there's coastal Florida where you get tourists and Canadians
and New York retirees who've mixed in with the Florida guy.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And then there's inland Florida, which is basically West Virginia
or Alabama. But it's like all Florida, man, I think,
or mostly Florida, man.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So anyway, I mentioned that as a way to give
you a sense of the kind of teen criminals we
might be dealing with here. So there were five of them,
three adults aged nineteen, nineteen, and eighteen, So adults is
in quotation marks there.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
The youngest of adults, yes.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And then two juveniles who I'm going to guess were
like seventeen. Probably they're all friends. Their names aren't important.
I'm not going to add any additional shame to that
that they've already brought upon themselves. And our story begins
with a woman coming home and realizing she's been robbed.
She's missing some electronics, she's missing some jewelry, set of
vases or vases? Are you vas or vase? Guy?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I say vase?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Oh, vase?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I also say aunt instead of aunt.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I don't know why I offered that up.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
But Tomato, so vase.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I think I say vace, You say oz.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I think I say I think I say it both
ways trying.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
You know what I say vase, And internally I think
o oz is right, But yet o oz sounds so snooty.
I can't bring myself to do it. It's true, we're talking,
even though I think it's correct, And in Florida, I'm
gonna guess vace is probably vase. Yep, good call, good assumption.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Okay, So these two vases contained the cremated ashes of
her father and her two deceased great Danes, Samson and Epic.
And I know what you're thinking. Why the hell would
some kids steal eurns filled with ashes because of course
they thought it was cocaine.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Oh god, geez, okay man, oh yeah, right to the jugular,
right the gate.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Oh yes, So this is what I'm talking about. These
kids snorted the dog ashes or the old man's ashes.
We can't be sure.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
What I appreciate is that you said vase or vase,
and then we just found out it was an urn,
and so you rope me into that for no reason. Hey, Roy,
do you say it right or do you see it wrong?
I'm dumb, Josh Well. Trick question because it's an urn.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Do you say urn or orn?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I go with the Norwegian orn? I go orn with
an umlot.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Also my favorite couch an aikiya love the urn?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So the burglars realized it wasn't actually cocaine, well probably
when they snorted the pattern. It tasted gross and nothing happened,
and they later threw the ashes into la because they
were worried they left fingerprints on the containers. Yeah, and
this is all according to Marion County detectives, by the way,
who talked to a local CBS affiliate. So imagine this scene.
I'm guessing one of them finds these urns and convinces
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everyone else that it's coke, and they cut these giant
lines and then ugh, and then they.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Feel like it tastes like a life that's already been lived, I.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Mean, or a chunk of bone got stuck in someone's
I mean, just horrible, horrible realization. When that happens, right,
the dude who actually had the idea has now lost
all credibility with its friends.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Do you think this is the only time in human
history this has ever happened. I wonder how common of
an error this is.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I have a surprise for you. Just hang in there,
because I didn't even tee that question up.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh good god, I'm already onto it.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So these three adults are charged with multiple counts of robbery.
Not sure what happened to the juveniles other than I'm
sure a lot of ridicule at school. That's gonna be
a hard one to live down. Oh yeah, And I
also wish I could tell you this was an isolated incident. Rory.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh god.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
But in March twenty fifteen in Missouri, three teens, again teens,
the oldest in this case seventeen, robbed a house. And
this is sounding like a copycat crime, but honestly probably
describes every home burglary. They stole electronics, they stole jewelry,
some prescription drugs, and human ashes that they thought were cocaine.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Oh my god, Oh I just all right.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I mean, have you seen an earned full of ashes before?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I've seen an urn. I've never opened it just because
of the haunting that would then occur and the portal
that would open, so I've always left it closed. But
I've got to assume there are some obvious textural and
color differences between human ashes and cocaine. And I'm not
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an expert here, folks. My assumption is there would be
some red flags.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, like I don't know that they're pure white, and
maybe there's some chunks in there, like yes. Also, and
here's the other thing. It's kind of a large quantity
and it's way heavier than you think, which means that
like there's teens running around out there thinking that random
people have giant piles of cocaine and vases lying around.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Like, was anybody like who lives here? Escabar? This is
way too much cocaine two dogs worth in the first place.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I mean I think, yeah, marked in some math earlier
and figured out like several hundred thousand dollars worth of
cocaine probably. Okay, it's teen, So they're gonna be a
little bit optimistic. They're kids, you know, they're like, holy shit, man,
we scored. Yeah, And naturally people would keep it in
a vase and orn on the mantle.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, that's where I keep my drugs on the mantle,
so that easy access. Right away.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Somebody comes by.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Somebody comes by, Hey, sit down. Just sit down. I
don't have to go get it's right here.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
According to a local cop quote, one of the suspects
tasted the ashes and determined it was not cocaine as
they originally suspected. The ashes were then thrown from a
car window and never found.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I mean, I guess that's the natural. So the first
set of guys threw it in a la second set
of guys threw it out the window.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, I mean, I just I got to say, I
think the second guys are a little more realistic. I
think the lake was maybe a little more respectful, despite
the fact that environmentally you're not supposed to be doing that.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But I feel like, yeah, a lot of people want
their ashes spread on the water, so that's what I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So in a way, they were like, hey, we made
a mistake, but you know, these dogs and this guy,
they're ready to swim. And what those guys don't know
is that all three of them drowned, and so it
was actually kind of a weird place to spread the ashes. Dark.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
The victim this, a woman named Devor Peters, told a
local NBC affiliate that the ashes belonged to her father
and that wasn't the only upsetting thing for Deborah. She
knew the burglars, and I quote, there were people that
I knew that I never thought would do something like
this to me.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
She knew them.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yes, So, according to cops, they were family acquaintances who
hatched the plan to rob the house after seeing a
Facebook post that the residents would be away, which I
think is worth pausing on for a crime lest public
service announcement. Yes, listeners, please don't announce your vacations on Facebook, right.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yes, go or you know, post about it after the fact, exactly.
You just don't want to go. Hey, And also, here's
the code to the garage, Like, leave all that out
of the post.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
So how do you think they got caught? Tough one?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Uh? Did they leave something behind?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
No, this is a This is some fancy detective work
here in Missouri.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Oh you're talking Colombo. Colombo coming up here.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
So they stole an Xbox and the cops used the
gaming systems IP address to chase them down.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So the sum total of this is that the storting
of ashes, intentional or otherwise, is at least enough of
a thing to have given birth to a name, Creamine Lining,
which is in the Urban Dictionary, defined as quote when
you snort your dead friend's ashes.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, yeah, creamine lining.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I mean, I did not know this before the other day,
and I'm slightly horrified. But also I feel like a
few years from now this will be a trend. It'll
be a TikTok trend.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
This is like the tide pods, uh thing. Yeah, that's uh.
That's so I'm led to believe that this is probably
fairly common across the across the country. We just don't
know about it as much. Well, not just across the country.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I got another one from.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Josh if I I am teeing you up on these transitions.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Wow, we didn't even play.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
We didn't even play, folks. This is all in real time,
just happening. It's just happening.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Ultimately, the trend of creamine lining, so several of these
things happening in succession. Began a story on Psychology Today
from twenty seventeen which looked at the so called phenomenon,
and the story subsequently revealed it to be mostly about
mistakes and hype. So you don't actually need to worry
that your kids are doing this. In most cases, I
don't think they're snorting dead relatives, right. However, Psychology Today
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cited a story from nineteen ninety three is the possible
origin for all this. Yet again, it's a robbery where
thieves took ashes thinking it was coke. Yep. In this case,
the ashes of the victim's mom, Gertrude, were wrapped in
cellophane and stored in a fishing tackle box, which at
least seems like a thing you could mistake for someone's
coke stash.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, I gotta say that seems like it would look cocish.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Also a weird place to like wrap the ashes up
in selfhane and put them in a tackle box.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah. In fact, I now do believe it was coke
and this is how they.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Got it dismissed. This is brilliant.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yes, these are actually smart criminals.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
So seven years later the British tabloids lit up about
another robbery, another case where electronics and jewelry and ashes
were snatched, in another situation where the goofballs who committed
the robbery seem to have been mistaken, at least temporarily.
Here's a section quoted in the story from Psychology Today,
and this one is pulled from the tabloid The Sun
in England and it's a good one, Okay. A policeman
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called to investigate the break in at Chadwell Heath fell
about laughing when he saw the burglars had arranged the
ashes in cocaine style lines.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I'd love to see their faces when these thieves realize,
said Vvith. It was horrible knowing that they were in
my house, but the idea of them trying to get
high on a dead dog certainly made me feel a
bit better.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I mean, I got it. I've never done cocaine, but
I gotta assume you know immediately that this is not
you know, can you smoke fake pot? You can smell it,
but you kind of know it. Maybe it takes a
second to realize you're probably not going to get hot.
I think cocaine, don't you know, like instantly, Like aren't
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you immediately?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And I think it's fair to say, yeah, especially in
what I imagine the quantities to be here, because like
I think cocaine lines are typically quite small, and if
these guys are pouring out piles of ashes, then yeah,
we're talking scarface.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Can you imagine we are talking paccino style coke? Bingjing.
Could you imagine how excited, like before you even do
the fake coke, your heart is racing thinking we just
made one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I mean yeah. They came to steal an xbox and
ended up with like a pound of what they believed,
for a fleeting moment was cocaine.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
This is gonna be the new Oregano. I literally just
anyone with ashes. But like you know, you could turn
a dollar if you just get that rid of that
urn vase and you go uh and you just go
put it in a bagg.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
You just got to wrap it in selfon and put
it in a tackle box and leave it out and
start going around town just like flashing it to people.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
So like still, I've read now four stories about this.
I'm sure there were more. It all seemed deranged to
me still, and so I stumbled on one more story
that at least gives it all some context, that it's
not just boneheaded robbers who snort ashes. Celebrities do it too.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh god.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So this came out twenty years ago in an interview
with a British magazine and Emmy and this is a quote.
The strangest thing I've tried to snort my father. I
snorted my father. The man said he was cremated, and
I couldn't resist grinding him up with a little bit
of blow. My dad wouldn't have cared. He didn't give
a shit. Who said it?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Rory, I mean, I just saw. My instinct is always
Keith Richards. Yes, ding ding ding ding, or any sort
of drug thing. I'm like, well, has anyone gone further
than Keith Richards.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I mean, I think it's safe to say now the
answer is no.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, that's some That's some championship type shit right there.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
He's I mean almost in destructed, maybe totally instructive. I
like that.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Keith Richards thought all of our reactions would be but
won't your dad care? I like it. He was like,
he wouldn't care yet, No shit, Keith, we're not talking
about if your dad's gonna care.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
He also said it went down pretty well, and I'm
still alive.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
At least he mixed some coke in there.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
He did. Yeah, and I'm sure Keith Richards has a
good blow.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
And his dad's last words were, I wish you would
have gotten off drugs at some point, and Keith was like,
I'll show you. I mean, I can't even imagine once
you've been you know, incinerated like that. I got to
assume there's some carcinogens at play here. This is not
This might be actually more unhealthy than doing coke.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Which brings me to a question I wanted to ask you.
Is it even safe to or human remains?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, I gotta I mean maybe if the person died
from a coco overdose, that's the only chance you might
actually get some some percentage of cocaine in there. I
don't know. I gotta assume no, I mean the carcinogen thing.
And look, our audience knows this. I am not educated.
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So if I say there's carcinogens in it, don't come
at me and Josh or attack Josh. Don't attack me.
Don't come at us with this. There's no carcinogens in there.
I actually think that's a really smart guess. So I'm
gonna say it's not healthy carcinogens, all.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Right, Not to give anything away, but I think you're
probably onto something here. Yes, And I don't know what
people did in a situation like this before the Internet,
but today a big question like this, I'll have to
do with Google search, and I was both delighted and
a little horrified to find a robust Reddit thread on
this very.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Subtle roun Oh yeah, oh shit.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I'm not enough of a Reddit guy to figure out
who started the thread, but I assure you it exists
and it contains quite a spicy discussion. So you've already
given me your answer not safe. Let's find out what
Reddit tells us. Naturally, the most up voted answer is
some know it all lane, you want to do the
honors here to we can hear this in a different voice.
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Pretend that you're hearing a Reddit thread writer here.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I can think of no good reason to snort quote
unquote ashes, which aren't really ashes but solid particles with
absolutely no psychoactive effect. If a person wants to snort
cremated remains of the dead, I would suggest a series
of visits to a therapist or a psychologist to work
out issues with the dead person would be more appropriate.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So that's the top ants. That's the most top voted
answer from a know it all, And I think you
know that's wise advice.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I think I like that it's the most top I
like that. A lot of people were like, yeah, all right,
I'll get behind this.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You should go to a therapist if you're snorting. So
I'm sure some of these people are just sick ohs.
But others actually seem to think snorting ashes might be
a way to connect with a dead loved one, to
make them part of you. No, Like, here's another one
from Arizona Lane. You want to read this one too.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I don't know if a bunch of chemicals are used
in the cremation process, or if for some reason they
use any kind of a balming fluid in the body
previous to burning. These pretty much are the only reasons
I never snorted George. I certainly thought of it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
George her husband, I think.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
This was from a woman who was like, clearly contemplated
snorting her husband's ashes, but was worried about Rory Carcinogen's.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I gotta say, I love the brain that isn't that
is even contemplating maybe doing this, but is actually smart
enough to consider the logical reasons as to why they shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And naturally went to Reddit to work that out.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
What a cease all life that is. But yes, I
mean more than likely those cremated remains there is embalming fluid.
I'm sure there was potentially a visitation where they've now
like embalmed the body so that they can put it
out for you know, put it on display in a
visitation sort of way, last visitation, and then it gets
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incinerated and all of those chemicals.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
And aren't we full of plastics? Isn't that what I
keep reading?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Oh, then it's probably fine. Yeah, now we're all made
out of microplastics.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I mean, I think I know the answer to this,
but I got to finish this particular segment with a
question Rora, which is, on the tragic occasion that your
wife predeceases you, would you snort her ashes?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I like that term predeceases? Would I snort her ashes?
I think it's safe to say I will not do that.
All I do is make all these jokes this whole episode,
and at the end, I'm like, I mean, I try it. Hell,
come on, it'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Come on, sweetie.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I would have to be in the darkest place I've
ever been to also ask someone who hasn't done coke
but decided to try that.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I think that's the right answer. When she listens to this,
she'll be happy.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
She'll be so happy, or she'll be insulted like, oh,
I'm not good enough. Oh I'm not good as good.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
As coke, as good as Keith Richards's dad.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, at least Keith Richards had respect for his father.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So more fake drugs coming up. Let's all snort some
caffeinated crystal light and meet back here after the break.
This is Carlos, Okay, So teen criminals snorting dog bones
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by accident is one thing I think we can agree.
It's sort of hilarious except to the dog owner. But
there's a larger theme here too, And I wanted to
spend what's left of our show talking about people who
purposely sell fake drugs. Oh oh, and maybe this isn't
a surprise to you, but the world of fake drug
sales is robust. There are a lot of people out
there selling fake, counterfeit pills and powders, like some seriously
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fucked up shit on a massive corporate scale, like a
the EJ indictment in Texas from February when an Indian
guy was charged with allegedly selling fake cancer drugs. Oh yeah,
awful to a case by the US Attorney in New
York City prosecuted last fall, in which eighteen guys were charged,
was selling counterfeit fentanyl and other opiates from fake online pharmacies,
which resulted in nine deaths. So don't want to bum
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you out here. We're gonna move on. I just wanted
to say that this is rampant, and there are lots
of stories like this. The Internet and cheap shipping have
led to a golden age of online drug scams. Extremely
not funny stuff, but this is crimeless, and I'm going
to stop bumming you out.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Thank you, Josh. I mean Jesus, you've got to start
putting a warning before it gets real.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I can give you a break. If you want to
hit your bong, lighten things up, take some of those shrooms.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
If you want to hit your bong and take a
deep snuff hit real quick, put some tobacco in your bong.
Don't you love that? That was like headshops back before
they were like legal, and you'd go in there and
there'd be a bong and everyone had to pretend that
was for tobacco. Oh h, could you imagine a tobacco
hit at that degree. That's a year's worth of cigarettes
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right there.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Just a guy walking down the street hitting tobacco bong hits.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Like oh this, Oh no, this is tobacco. This is
how much I have to smoke. This is technically eighteen
packs a day.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
All right, so let's resume our journey. Do you think
it's illegal to sell fake drugs in the small time sense?
I mean, like a reganos marijuana or an aspirin as
an oxy.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Do you think that's against all m I mean I
guess no, Like something like a regano. You could just
be like, no, I thought he wanted to buy some.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
It is legal?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Good? Oh sorry, I'm in illegal. You didn't let me finish.
I think it's illegal.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Even if they even if you know they're fake, there
are state and federal laws against it. In Florida, it's
illegal to sell or offer someone a controlled substance and
then actually sell that person a different substance.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
God, just think it's illegal to sell illegal drugs, and
it's illegal to sell not illegal drugs.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
How is anybody supposed to know what to do? California
has the California Imitation Controlled Substance Act, which criminalizes both selling,
imitation and counterfeit drugs, and other states have crime specific
to selling imitation drugs Louisiana, Maine, New York, Texas, Washington.
That's not an exhaustive list. Check your local statutes, Rory.
If you're on tour and you're selling oregano, just check
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the statutes.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
This is good to know because my merch table is
growing after these stand up shows and I'm selling all
kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Great day and ashes, great Dane.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Ashes, herbs, ORNs, herbs with ORNs, and vases.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You can also be charged with fraud in some cases,
and I'm guessing often you just get your ass kicked.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
That's just street justice. Yeah, street justice.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Which brings me to an amazing story I stumbled on
during my research. All credit here to Wece, which I
think we could all acknowledge, should sort of own, the
fake drug beat back. When Vice first came to New
York City in the early odds, they had this magazine
cover that I will never forget. It was fully mirrored
with an embossed line of cocaine on it. This was
the cover of the magazine. Yeah, very cool, very edgy. Actually,
(27:30):
I'm sorry I'm giving a little bit too much credit
device because Vice actually took this story from someone else,
a website called muck rock. I read about it on
the Vice website, but it was an incredible piece of
history that was turned up from the declassified CIA archives.
Back in the early seventies, at the height of reefer madness,
the extremely square Central Intelligence Agency made a booth for
display at events. It was one of those booths like
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you see at trade shows, only in this case, it
was created by the offices quote Office of Medical Services
to warn parents of officers about the dangers of drug
abuse and how to spot trouble in your kids. Part
of this booth was a bag of actual weed, so
parents could pick it up, hold it, smell it, get
used to what it looks like. But when the agency
wanted to take the booth to an AMA medical conference,
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somewhat blanket in the legal department pointed out a problem.
They'd be crossing state lines with a controlled substance.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Uh all right, I like that.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Not okay even for the CIA.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yep, I like that. You call them square. So how
do you think they solved this problem in getting it
over the state lines?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah? Like, well, they just decide we can't do we
can't take weed across state lines, but we do want
to teach the parents of our officers around America how
to spot weed.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
So what do you so? They had to go in undercover,
go to a high school. This is actually how twenty
one Jump Street got. This is the origin story. This
is the origin story of twenty one Jump Street. They
were like, all right, leave the weed here, let's cross
state lines. We'll buy more weed there from a high
school kid. I don't know. That is my best guess.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I mean, that's actually I think that's better than what
they did was they created fake weed. Oh okay, they
called it pseudo marijuana. But this Erzat's Mary Jane cooked
up by the agency scientists was so realistic even when burned,
that it fooled people. The booth won first prize at
the conference, which is now maybe my favorite fact about
the CIA.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
The fact that it's a competition, that it's like a
science fair. Yeah, you did not see that coming. I
definitely did not know. You were about to say they
won first prize at the convention.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Tax dollars hard at work. Incredible, The CIA weed booth
won first prize at the American Medical Association conference. Like
that must have been so proud.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, they completely forgot what they were trying to teach.
All they could focus on was how to win again
next year and build a dynasty.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
One doctor's wife, who worked as a high school bus
monitor near San Francisco, had this to say to the
Saint Louis Post Dispatch. Upon observing the booth light up
the fake weed. She said, quote, that smells just like
the back of my bus when she goes back there
when she drops the kids off.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Oh yeah, she drops them off, she goes to the
back of the bus. Cool mom opens the window a
little bit. What's on a little Arrowsmith? I think we
all know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Isn't that called hot boxing? Is that what the kids say?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Uh? Hot box? It was a hot boxing got a
school bus.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
So I guess in closing, what's important to remember here
is that the best maker of fake drugs in America
is the CIA.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
That's according to Rory Scobel. Please direct well all inquiries
and investigations to him.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
That's according to the judges, who I can't believe that
wasn't some sort of an undercover. As soon as the
judges were like, this is just like real weed. How
are they not? Like, how do you know that we
got you? And the judges were all arrested.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Everything is an elaborate sting that.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Put them in a tough position. They're like, we should
technically arrest these judges, but also we do want first place.
We got to just take the hit.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
We need the ribbon. Yeah, incredible little slice of history there,
thanks to mock rock advice. I love that so much.
There's even by the way, and I'll send it to you.
There's like an illustration of like they did a diagram
of the booth. Some guy in like the science partment
at the Central Intelligence Agency sketched out the weed booth. Yeah,
and it was to classified a few years ago, so
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that means it was classified for several decades. Nice, don't
let us get out, guys. So special twist this week, Rory,
I created our final game. And I'm gonna tell you
(31:39):
are most experienced drug user on this staff. You, Rory Scobel,
frequent user of snuff and mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Do I present as a drug user?
Speaker 1 (31:53):
You just live in Colorado so my association.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Look, I have done mushrooms and pot, but that's really
extent of it, and then pills, but are really counting
at THEE.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
So I'm gonna ask you, and Lane is also gonna play.
So you are competings Lane in this and so Lane
also a massive consumer of narcotics. I've just made that up.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
I have no idea to say that. My mom will listen.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I believe whatever the media tells me. I was kidding
Blane's mom. I'm completely joking.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Rory's mom also wife, family members of both of you.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I swear I'm clean.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
It's ewan we should be worried about. Okay, So our
game today is street slang for drugs. I'm gonna read you, guys,
six slang terms for popular drugs, and you have to
tell me which one is fake.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I hope I get all these right.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
So number one adderall, Okay, I'll read all six, and
then you tell me which one is fake. Beans, co pilots,
truck drivers, zings, peppers, study.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Buddies, beans, I'm gonna go beans.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Are you going beans?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
That's it. We're supposed to pick the fake one.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, the fake one.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Right, I'm gonna saying you're both wrong.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
It's peppers.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Okay, you don't have to yell at us.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
This is surprisingly hard because the name nicknames for drugs
are ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Josh, you might have just turned it into slang for addro.
Someone heard this, They're like, I'm calling them peppers from
now on.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
It's gonna be my my proudest moment. I'll be walking
down the street someday I'll hear.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Peppers.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Okay. Number two, Cocaine, dust flake, Avalanche, toot, snow white, Bernice.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Did you make up the fake ones?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I did make up the fake ones.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I mean, Bernice, I'm gonna say toot. I'm gonna go.
It's I think it's my second guess is Avalanche. I'm
gonna go Bernice.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Lane, You're going to I'm going to Avalanche. Rory go
with your second.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Half a point half a point, all.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Right, we'll give you half a point to that you
were half right. Okay. Number three, meth Chrissy, Christy go shards,
Tina twin.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Defensive. I'm gonna go Christy.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I'm gonna go twink. Rory another points one point five
to zero.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I'm too pure, it's.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Too let's just proof that Lane does not use any
drugs her. Your mom is gonna be so happy vindicated
by Okay, number three, this is Rory is gonna have
an unfair advantage here. Bath salts, yep yep okay, bath salts,
wicked x Ivory missed, drone Bloom Sorry, Vanilla.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Sky, I mean, I mean just sounds. I'm gonna go.
I think that's real.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
That's that seems like a basalt varietal. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Vanilla's guy the correct answers, I remissed.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Oh I thought I've remissed for sure was real?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Is real?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Me is real? That's insane. Just here to get some mew.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Okay, And lastly, ketamine, cat valium, honey oil, k fuzz
kit cat purple, super acid.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I'm gonna go. Is it my turn to guest? First?
Sure cat valium blame uh purple, damn it.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I thought I thought when I saw it super I
mean super acid is I mean both awesome and ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I mean, super acid is so fun because it's meant
to be undercut for But it's just naming another drug.
Yeah right, Like, Hey, you got any cocaine? Like, what
do you mean ketamine? I mean ketamine, but I call
it I call it different cocaine.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Call it super cocaine.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Do you have any super coke? Lane?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I think you did your mom proud by going oh
for five coy one and a half, your mom, I.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Mean, I'm honestly one point five. I'm pretty I'm pretty
proud of that. You did a great job. Well, congrats
to Rory. Take that, Lane.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I feel like, if there's a QUIZZI you want to
not be good at it, that's one, yeah, bad.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
One, unless you're an undercover cop, which.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I'm not, or like an undercover drug dealers.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Which I'm not. Yeah, I exist on both sides.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Of the fence, all right. That's our show. Crimeless is
a production of SmartLess Media, Campsite Media and Big Money
Players in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. It's hosted by Rory
Scovel and me Josh Dean. Our senior producer is Lane Rose.
(37:09):
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engineered by Blake Brook with support from Ewan Letram Ewen.
Mark McAdam composed our theme song. The executive producers at
Campside Media are Vanessa Gregoriatis, Matt Cher, and me Josh Dean.
The executive producers for iHeart Podcasts and Big Money Players
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Associate producer is Mattie McCann. A special thanks to our
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What if I had pronounce it?
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:03):
What if.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Campsite media.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
So I've got a good question for you here to
start the day.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
M h.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I think you're gonna have I hope you're gonna have
a great answer for this one.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
So okay, a lot of pressure here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
What's the weirdest or the worst thing you've ever snorted?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh? Well, if you were trying to get me to drugs,
I'll never give you that, Josh, I'll never give you
that I've snorted drugs. In fact, this makes me think
the whole podcast up until now has been a trap.
Damn it, you're a nar all right, drop the show.
(00:57):
He knows he figured it out. I would probably the
craziest thing I've ever snorted was an eraser off of
a pencil, and luckily was able to blow it right
back out, because I can't imagine the road that would
have been.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Like I am, I once tried snuff and it was
just terrible. And I don't smoke and I never chewed
to me, but I don't know why I did it,
and it was god awful.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
And you tried to snort it.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Well, that is a thing that people do, I think,
or was I using it wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I want to say, you were using it wrong, dam
I think, isn't it like dip or like chew?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
If it was, then it definitely went in the wrong orifice.
Well say as dumb as these criminals, Josh, I mean,
they didn't choose me to host for snuff is nothing
compared to what we're going to talk about this week
on Crime List, when we tackle the very important and
often uncomfortable matter of fake drugs, Starting with a story
(01:59):
about some burglars who thought they'd stumbled into a giant
stash of cocaine, only to find out later it definitely
wasn't cocaine. What was it? That's after the break. Welcome
(02:21):
back to Crime lest, the podcast that celebrates the amazing
creativity of the world's dumbest criminals.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I'm Josh Dean and I am Rory Scoville, and I
would just like to let everyone know during the break
we looked it up. Josh was right, you can snort
snuff ha vindicata. There there you go.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I mean, it didn't make me any cooler or less.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yes it did. Our listeners, now hold you way above me.
They know that I'm a nerd who doesn't how to
do drugs, and they know that you've done.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Drugs tobacco anyway, So I'm not exactly up on my
statutes of limitation. See what I did there, Like attorneys general.
So I'm not going to ask you invasive questions about
your own drug use except when completely necessary.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I mean, you live in Colorado, so we can all
safely assume you spoke weed.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
There you go, edibles, joint, I smoke snuff, I swallow snuff,
I ingest snuff. No, I think Colorado it's fully legal
all things I think. I don't really know. I think
mushrooms may be psychedelics, psilo cybin at least I know
is legal, just based on the fact that you can
now get it in fancy corporate packaging, which is always
(03:29):
a sign that it's legal.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Road trip too, We're gonna tape in Colorado and we're
all gonna eat shrooms before, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And do an episode, a live episode, the first live
crime less.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Well, that's actually a great idea.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's a horrible idea, actually, Josh, I mean eye the Beholder.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Anyway, We're not here to talk about real drug this week.
We're talking fake drugs. Yeah, which for me is a
subject that goes all the way back to high school,
when I'm pretty sure I smoked a regano or some
like mixed herbs at a party because I was told
it was weed and thought it was cool. Yeah, but
what got me thinking about this was a story from
twenty eleven. That's the year of the Japanese tsunami, Kate's
(04:10):
marriage to Prince William and Osama bin Laden's death. But
after today, you're gonna remember the year twenty eleven best
for the story of five young dudes in Silver Springs Shores,
Florida who got arrested for burglarizing a home.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Florida classic, here we go.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Do you know where Silver Springs Shores is?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
By chance? No one does, No one ever will well
until after this episode.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, it's it's kind of important because Silver Springs Shores
is a misnomer. It's definitely not on the shore or
anywhere near the shore. It's smack in the middle of Florida, near.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Okalla, Florida. You are too consistent.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It's so on branch.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
How many people bought houses in Silver Springs Shores?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Things unseen? Assumed it was waterfront property.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
One thing. But I think this is kind of important
because there's coastal Florida where you get tourists and Canadians
and New York retirees who've mixed in with the Florida guy.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And then there's inland Florida, which is basically West Virginia
or Alabama. But it's like all Florida, man, I think,
or mostly Florida, man.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So anyway, I mentioned that as a way to give
you a sense of the kind of teen criminals we
might be dealing with here. So there were five of them,
three adults aged nineteen, nineteen, and eighteen, So adults is
in quotation marks there.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
The youngest of adults, yes.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And then two juveniles who I'm going to guess were
like seventeen. Probably they're all friends. Their names aren't important.
I'm not going to add any additional shame to that
that they've already brought upon themselves. And our story begins
with a woman coming home and realizing she's been robbed.
She's missing some electronics, she's missing some jewelry, set of
vases or vases? Are you vas or vase? Guy?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I say vase?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Oh, vase?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I also say aunt instead of aunt.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I don't know why I offered that up.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
But Tomato, so vase.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I think I say vace, You say oz.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I think I say I think I say it both
ways trying.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
You know what I say vase, And internally I think
o oz is right, But yet o oz sounds so snooty.
I can't bring myself to do it. It's true, we're talking,
even though I think it's correct, And in Florida, I'm
gonna guess vace is probably vase. Yep, good call, good assumption.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Okay, So these two vases contained the cremated ashes of
her father and her two deceased great Danes, Samson and Epic.
And I know what you're thinking. Why the hell would
some kids steal eurns filled with ashes because of course
they thought it was cocaine.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Oh god, geez, okay man, oh yeah, right to the jugular,
right the gate.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Oh yes, So this is what I'm talking about. These
kids snorted the dog ashes or the old man's ashes.
We can't be sure.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
What I appreciate is that you said vase or vase,
and then we just found out it was an urn,
and so you rope me into that for no reason. Hey, Roy,
do you say it right or do you see it wrong?
I'm dumb, Josh Well. Trick question because it's an urn.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Do you say urn or orn?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I go with the Norwegian orn? I go orn with
an umlot.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Also my favorite couch an aikiya love the urn?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So the burglars realized it wasn't actually cocaine, well probably
when they snorted the pattern. It tasted gross and nothing happened,
and they later threw the ashes into la because they
were worried they left fingerprints on the containers. Yeah, and
this is all according to Marion County detectives, by the way,
who talked to a local CBS affiliate. So imagine this scene.
I'm guessing one of them finds these urns and convinces
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everyone else that it's coke, and they cut these giant
lines and then ugh, and then they.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Feel like it tastes like a life that's already been lived, I.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Mean, or a chunk of bone got stuck in someone's
I mean, just horrible, horrible realization. When that happens, right,
the dude who actually had the idea has now lost
all credibility with its friends.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Do you think this is the only time in human
history this has ever happened. I wonder how common of
an error this is.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I have a surprise for you. Just hang in there,
because I didn't even tee that question up.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh good god, I'm already onto it.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So these three adults are charged with multiple counts of robbery.
Not sure what happened to the juveniles other than I'm
sure a lot of ridicule at school. That's gonna be
a hard one to live down. Oh yeah, And I
also wish I could tell you this was an isolated incident. Rory.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh god.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
But in March twenty fifteen in Missouri, three teens, again teens,
the oldest in this case seventeen, robbed a house. And
this is sounding like a copycat crime, but honestly probably
describes every home burglary. They stole electronics, they stole jewelry,
some prescription drugs, and human ashes that they thought were cocaine.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Oh my god, Oh I just all right.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I mean, have you seen an earned full of ashes before?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I've seen an urn. I've never opened it just because
of the haunting that would then occur and the portal
that would open, so I've always left it closed. But
I've got to assume there are some obvious textural and
color differences between human ashes and cocaine. And I'm not
(09:54):
an expert here, folks. My assumption is there would be
some red flags.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, like I don't know that they're pure white, and
maybe there's some chunks in there, like yes. Also, and
here's the other thing. It's kind of a large quantity
and it's way heavier than you think, which means that
like there's teens running around out there thinking that random
people have giant piles of cocaine and vases lying around.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Like, was anybody like who lives here? Escabar? This is
way too much cocaine two dogs worth in the first place.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I mean I think, yeah, marked in some math earlier
and figured out like several hundred thousand dollars worth of
cocaine probably. Okay, it's teen, So they're gonna be a
little bit optimistic. They're kids, you know, they're like, holy shit, man,
we scored. Yeah, And naturally people would keep it in
a vase and orn on the mantle.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, that's where I keep my drugs on the mantle,
so that easy access. Right away.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Somebody comes by.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Somebody comes by, Hey, sit down. Just sit down. I
don't have to go get it's right here.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
According to a local cop quote, one of the suspects
tasted the ashes and determined it was not cocaine as
they originally suspected. The ashes were then thrown from a
car window and never found.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I mean, I guess that's the natural. So the first
set of guys threw it in a la second set
of guys threw it out the window.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, I mean, I just I got to say, I
think the second guys are a little more realistic. I
think the lake was maybe a little more respectful, despite
the fact that environmentally you're not supposed to be doing that.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But I feel like, yeah, a lot of people want
their ashes spread on the water, so that's what I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So in a way, they were like, hey, we made
a mistake, but you know, these dogs and this guy,
they're ready to swim. And what those guys don't know
is that all three of them drowned, and so it
was actually kind of a weird place to spread the ashes. Dark.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
The victim this, a woman named Devor Peters, told a
local NBC affiliate that the ashes belonged to her father
and that wasn't the only upsetting thing for Deborah. She
knew the burglars, and I quote, there were people that
I knew that I never thought would do something like
this to me.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
She knew them.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yes, So, according to cops, they were family acquaintances who
hatched the plan to rob the house after seeing a
Facebook post that the residents would be away, which I
think is worth pausing on for a crime lest public
service announcement. Yes, listeners, please don't announce your vacations on Facebook, right.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yes, go or you know, post about it after the fact, exactly.
You just don't want to go. Hey, And also, here's
the code to the garage, Like, leave all that out
of the post.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
So how do you think they got caught? Tough one?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Uh? Did they leave something behind?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
No, this is a This is some fancy detective work
here in Missouri.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Oh you're talking Colombo. Colombo coming up here.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
So they stole an Xbox and the cops used the
gaming systems IP address to chase them down.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So the sum total of this is that the storting
of ashes, intentional or otherwise, is at least enough of
a thing to have given birth to a name, Creamine Lining,
which is in the Urban Dictionary, defined as quote when
you snort your dead friend's ashes.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, yeah, creamine lining.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I mean, I did not know this before the other day,
and I'm slightly horrified. But also I feel like a
few years from now this will be a trend. It'll
be a TikTok trend.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
This is like the tide pods, uh thing. Yeah, that's uh.
That's so I'm led to believe that this is probably
fairly common across the across the country. We just don't
know about it as much. Well, not just across the country.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I got another one from.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Josh if I I am teeing you up on these transitions.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Wow, we didn't even play.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
We didn't even play, folks. This is all in real time,
just happening. It's just happening.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Ultimately, the trend of creamine lining, so several of these
things happening in succession. Began a story on Psychology Today
from twenty seventeen which looked at the so called phenomenon,
and the story subsequently revealed it to be mostly about
mistakes and hype. So you don't actually need to worry
that your kids are doing this. In most cases, I
don't think they're snorting dead relatives, right. However, Psychology Today
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cited a story from nineteen ninety three is the possible
origin for all this. Yet again, it's a robbery where
thieves took ashes thinking it was coke. Yep. In this case,
the ashes of the victim's mom, Gertrude, were wrapped in
cellophane and stored in a fishing tackle box, which at
least seems like a thing you could mistake for someone's
coke stash.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, I gotta say that seems like it would look cocish.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Also a weird place to like wrap the ashes up
in selfhane and put them in a tackle box.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah. In fact, I now do believe it was coke
and this is how they.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Got it dismissed. This is brilliant.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yes, these are actually smart criminals.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
So seven years later the British tabloids lit up about
another robbery, another case where electronics and jewelry and ashes
were snatched, in another situation where the goofballs who committed
the robbery seem to have been mistaken, at least temporarily.
Here's a section quoted in the story from Psychology Today,
and this one is pulled from the tabloid The Sun
in England and it's a good one, Okay. A policeman
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called to investigate the break in at Chadwell Heath fell
about laughing when he saw the burglars had arranged the
ashes in cocaine style lines.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I'd love to see their faces when these thieves realize,
said Vvith. It was horrible knowing that they were in
my house, but the idea of them trying to get
high on a dead dog certainly made me feel a
bit better.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I mean, I got it. I've never done cocaine, but
I gotta assume you know immediately that this is not
you know, can you smoke fake pot? You can smell it,
but you kind of know it. Maybe it takes a
second to realize you're probably not going to get hot.
I think cocaine, don't you know, like instantly, Like aren't
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you immediately?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And I think it's fair to say, yeah, especially in
what I imagine the quantities to be here, because like
I think cocaine lines are typically quite small, and if
these guys are pouring out piles of ashes, then yeah,
we're talking scarface.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Can you imagine we are talking paccino style coke? Bingjing.
Could you imagine how excited, like before you even do
the fake coke, your heart is racing thinking we just
made one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I mean yeah. They came to steal an xbox and
ended up with like a pound of what they believed,
for a fleeting moment was cocaine.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
This is gonna be the new Oregano. I literally just
anyone with ashes. But like you know, you could turn
a dollar if you just get that rid of that
urn vase and you go uh and you just go
put it in a bagg.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
You just got to wrap it in selfon and put
it in a tackle box and leave it out and
start going around town just like flashing it to people.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
So like still, I've read now four stories about this.
I'm sure there were more. It all seemed deranged to
me still, and so I stumbled on one more story
that at least gives it all some context, that it's
not just boneheaded robbers who snort ashes. Celebrities do it too.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh god.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So this came out twenty years ago in an interview
with a British magazine and Emmy and this is a quote.
The strangest thing I've tried to snort my father. I
snorted my father. The man said he was cremated, and
I couldn't resist grinding him up with a little bit
of blow. My dad wouldn't have cared. He didn't give
a shit. Who said it?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Rory, I mean, I just saw. My instinct is always
Keith Richards. Yes, ding ding ding ding, or any sort
of drug thing. I'm like, well, has anyone gone further
than Keith Richards.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I mean, I think it's safe to say now the
answer is no.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, that's some That's some championship type shit right there.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
He's I mean almost in destructed, maybe totally instructive. I
like that.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Keith Richards thought all of our reactions would be but
won't your dad care? I like it. He was like,
he wouldn't care yet, No shit, Keith, we're not talking
about if your dad's gonna care.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
He also said it went down pretty well, and I'm
still alive.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
At least he mixed some coke in there.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
He did. Yeah, and I'm sure Keith Richards has a
good blow.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
And his dad's last words were, I wish you would
have gotten off drugs at some point, and Keith was like,
I'll show you. I mean, I can't even imagine once
you've been you know, incinerated like that. I got to
assume there's some carcinogens at play here. This is not
This might be actually more unhealthy than doing coke.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Which brings me to a question I wanted to ask you.
Is it even safe to or human remains?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, I gotta I mean maybe if the person died
from a coco overdose, that's the only chance you might
actually get some some percentage of cocaine in there. I
don't know. I gotta assume no, I mean the carcinogen thing.
And look, our audience knows this. I am not educated.
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So if I say there's carcinogens in it, don't come
at me and Josh or attack Josh. Don't attack me.
Don't come at us with this. There's no carcinogens in there.
I actually think that's a really smart guess. So I'm
gonna say it's not healthy carcinogens, all.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Right, Not to give anything away, but I think you're
probably onto something here. Yes, And I don't know what
people did in a situation like this before the Internet,
but today a big question like this, I'll have to
do with Google search, and I was both delighted and
a little horrified to find a robust Reddit thread on
this very.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Subtle roun Oh yeah, oh shit.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I'm not enough of a Reddit guy to figure out
who started the thread, but I assure you it exists
and it contains quite a spicy discussion. So you've already
given me your answer not safe. Let's find out what
Reddit tells us. Naturally, the most up voted answer is
some know it all lane, you want to do the
honors here to we can hear this in a different voice.
(20:21):
Pretend that you're hearing a Reddit thread writer here.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I can think of no good reason to snort quote
unquote ashes, which aren't really ashes but solid particles with
absolutely no psychoactive effect. If a person wants to snort
cremated remains of the dead, I would suggest a series
of visits to a therapist or a psychologist to work
out issues with the dead person would be more appropriate.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
So that's the top ants. That's the most top voted
answer from a know it all, And I think you
know that's wise advice.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I think I like that it's the most top I
like that. A lot of people were like, yeah, all right,
I'll get behind this.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You should go to a therapist if you're snorting. So
I'm sure some of these people are just sick ohs.
But others actually seem to think snorting ashes might be
a way to connect with a dead loved one, to
make them part of you. No, Like, here's another one
from Arizona Lane. You want to read this one too.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I don't know if a bunch of chemicals are used
in the cremation process, or if for some reason they
use any kind of a balming fluid in the body
previous to burning. These pretty much are the only reasons
I never snorted George. I certainly thought of it.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
George her husband, I think.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
This was from a woman who was like, clearly contemplated
snorting her husband's ashes, but was worried about Rory Carcinogen's.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I gotta say, I love the brain that isn't that
is even contemplating maybe doing this, but is actually smart
enough to consider the logical reasons as to why they shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And naturally went to Reddit to work that out.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
What a cease all life that is. But yes, I
mean more than likely those cremated remains there is embalming fluid.
I'm sure there was potentially a visitation where they've now
like embalmed the body so that they can put it
out for you know, put it on display in a
visitation sort of way, last visitation, and then it gets
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incinerated and all of those chemicals.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
And aren't we full of plastics? Isn't that what I
keep reading?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Oh, then it's probably fine. Yeah, now we're all made
out of microplastics.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I mean, I think I know the answer to this,
but I got to finish this particular segment with a
question Rora, which is, on the tragic occasion that your
wife predeceases you, would you snort her ashes?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I like that term predeceases? Would I snort her ashes?
I think it's safe to say I will not do that.
All I do is make all these jokes this whole episode,
and at the end, I'm like, I mean, I try it. Hell,
come on, it'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Come on, sweetie.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I would have to be in the darkest place I've
ever been to also ask someone who hasn't done coke
but decided to try that.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I think that's the right answer. When she listens to this,
she'll be happy.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
She'll be so happy, or she'll be insulted like, oh,
I'm not good enough. Oh I'm not good as good.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
As coke, as good as Keith Richards's dad.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, at least Keith Richards had respect for his father.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So more fake drugs coming up. Let's all snort some
caffeinated crystal light and meet back here after the break.
This is Carlos, Okay, So teen criminals snorting dog bones
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by accident is one thing I think we can agree.
It's sort of hilarious except to the dog owner. But
there's a larger theme here too, And I wanted to
spend what's left of our show talking about people who
purposely sell fake drugs. Oh oh, and maybe this isn't
a surprise to you, but the world of fake drug
sales is robust. There are a lot of people out
there selling fake, counterfeit pills and powders, like some seriously
(24:18):
fucked up shit on a massive corporate scale, like a
the EJ indictment in Texas from February when an Indian
guy was charged with allegedly selling fake cancer drugs. Oh yeah,
awful to a case by the US Attorney in New
York City prosecuted last fall, in which eighteen guys were charged,
was selling counterfeit fentanyl and other opiates from fake online pharmacies,
which resulted in nine deaths. So don't want to bum
(24:41):
you out here. We're gonna move on. I just wanted
to say that this is rampant, and there are lots
of stories like this. The Internet and cheap shipping have
led to a golden age of online drug scams. Extremely
not funny stuff, but this is crimeless, and I'm going
to stop bumming you out.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Thank you, Josh. I mean Jesus, you've got to start
putting a warning before it gets real.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I can give you a break. If you want to
hit your bong, lighten things up, take some of those shrooms.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
If you want to hit your bong and take a
deep snuff hit real quick, put some tobacco in your bong.
Don't you love that? That was like headshops back before
they were like legal, and you'd go in there and
there'd be a bong and everyone had to pretend that
was for tobacco. Oh h, could you imagine a tobacco
hit at that degree. That's a year's worth of cigarettes
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right there.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Just a guy walking down the street hitting tobacco bong hits.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Like oh this, Oh no, this is tobacco. This is
how much I have to smoke. This is technically eighteen
packs a day.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
All right, so let's resume our journey. Do you think
it's illegal to sell fake drugs in the small time sense?
I mean, like a reganos marijuana or an aspirin as
an oxy.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Do you think that's against all m I mean I
guess no, Like something like a regano. You could just
be like, no, I thought he wanted to buy some.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
It is legal?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Good? Oh sorry, I'm in illegal. You didn't let me finish.
I think it's illegal.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Even if they even if you know they're fake, there
are state and federal laws against it. In Florida, it's
illegal to sell or offer someone a controlled substance and
then actually sell that person a different substance.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
God, just think it's illegal to sell illegal drugs, and
it's illegal to sell not illegal drugs.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
How is anybody supposed to know what to do? California
has the California Imitation Controlled Substance Act, which criminalizes both selling,
imitation and counterfeit drugs, and other states have crime specific
to selling imitation drugs Louisiana, Maine, New York, Texas, Washington.
That's not an exhaustive list. Check your local statutes, Rory.
If you're on tour and you're selling oregano, just check
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the statutes.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
This is good to know because my merch table is
growing after these stand up shows and I'm selling all
kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Great day and ashes, great Dane.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Ashes, herbs, ORNs, herbs with ORNs, and vases.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You can also be charged with fraud in some cases,
and I'm guessing often you just get your ass kicked.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
That's just street justice. Yeah, street justice.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Which brings me to an amazing story I stumbled on
during my research. All credit here to Wece, which I
think we could all acknowledge, should sort of own, the
fake drug beat back. When Vice first came to New
York City in the early odds, they had this magazine
cover that I will never forget. It was fully mirrored
with an embossed line of cocaine on it. This was
the cover of the magazine. Yeah, very cool, very edgy. Actually,
(27:30):
I'm sorry I'm giving a little bit too much credit
device because Vice actually took this story from someone else,
a website called muck rock. I read about it on
the Vice website, but it was an incredible piece of
history that was turned up from the declassified CIA archives.
Back in the early seventies, at the height of reefer madness,
the extremely square Central Intelligence Agency made a booth for
display at events. It was one of those booths like
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you see at trade shows, only in this case, it
was created by the offices quote Office of Medical Services
to warn parents of officers about the dangers of drug
abuse and how to spot trouble in your kids. Part
of this booth was a bag of actual weed, so
parents could pick it up, hold it, smell it, get
used to what it looks like. But when the agency
wanted to take the booth to an AMA medical conference,
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somewhat blanket in the legal department pointed out a problem.
They'd be crossing state lines with a controlled substance.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Uh all right, I like that.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Not okay even for the CIA.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yep, I like that. You call them square. So how
do you think they solved this problem in getting it
over the state lines?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah? Like, well, they just decide we can't do we
can't take weed across state lines, but we do want
to teach the parents of our officers around America how
to spot weed.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
So what do you so? They had to go in undercover,
go to a high school. This is actually how twenty
one Jump Street got. This is the origin story. This
is the origin story of twenty one Jump Street. They
were like, all right, leave the weed here, let's cross
state lines. We'll buy more weed there from a high
school kid. I don't know. That is my best guess.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I mean, that's actually I think that's better than what
they did was they created fake weed. Oh okay, they
called it pseudo marijuana. But this Erzat's Mary Jane cooked
up by the agency scientists was so realistic even when burned,
that it fooled people. The booth won first prize at
the conference, which is now maybe my favorite fact about
the CIA.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
The fact that it's a competition, that it's like a
science fair. Yeah, you did not see that coming. I
definitely did not know. You were about to say they
won first prize at the convention.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Tax dollars hard at work. Incredible, The CIA weed booth
won first prize at the American Medical Association conference. Like
that must have been so proud.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, they completely forgot what they were trying to teach.
All they could focus on was how to win again
next year and build a dynasty.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
One doctor's wife, who worked as a high school bus
monitor near San Francisco, had this to say to the
Saint Louis Post Dispatch. Upon observing the booth light up
the fake weed. She said, quote, that smells just like
the back of my bus when she goes back there
when she drops the kids off.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Oh yeah, she drops them off, she goes to the
back of the bus. Cool mom opens the window a
little bit. What's on a little Arrowsmith? I think we
all know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Isn't that called hot boxing? Is that what the kids say?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Uh? Hot box? It was a hot boxing got a
school bus.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
So I guess in closing, what's important to remember here
is that the best maker of fake drugs in America
is the CIA.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
That's according to Rory Scobel. Please direct well all inquiries
and investigations to him.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
That's according to the judges, who I can't believe that
wasn't some sort of an undercover. As soon as the
judges were like, this is just like real weed. How
are they not? Like, how do you know that we
got you? And the judges were all arrested.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Everything is an elaborate sting that.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Put them in a tough position. They're like, we should
technically arrest these judges, but also we do want first place.
We got to just take the hit.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
We need the ribbon. Yeah, incredible little slice of history there,
thanks to mock rock advice. I love that so much.
There's even by the way, and I'll send it to you.
There's like an illustration of like they did a diagram
of the booth. Some guy in like the science partment
at the Central Intelligence Agency sketched out the weed booth. Yeah,
and it was to classified a few years ago, so
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that means it was classified for several decades. Nice, don't
let us get out, guys. So special twist this week, Rory,
I created our final game. And I'm gonna tell you
(31:39):
are most experienced drug user on this staff. You, Rory Scobel,
frequent user of snuff and mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Do I present as a drug user?
Speaker 1 (31:53):
You just live in Colorado so my association.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Look, I have done mushrooms and pot, but that's really
extent of it, and then pills, but are really counting
at THEE.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
So I'm gonna ask you, and Lane is also gonna play.
So you are competings Lane in this and so Lane
also a massive consumer of narcotics. I've just made that up.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
I have no idea to say that. My mom will listen.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I believe whatever the media tells me. I was kidding
Blane's mom. I'm completely joking.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Rory's mom also wife, family members of both of you.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I swear I'm clean.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
It's ewan we should be worried about. Okay, So our
game today is street slang for drugs. I'm gonna read you, guys,
six slang terms for popular drugs, and you have to
tell me which one is fake.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I hope I get all these right.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
So number one adderall, Okay, I'll read all six, and
then you tell me which one is fake. Beans, co pilots,
truck drivers, zings, peppers, study.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Buddies, beans, I'm gonna go beans.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Are you going beans?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
That's it. We're supposed to pick the fake one.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, the fake one.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Right, I'm gonna saying you're both wrong.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
It's peppers.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Okay, you don't have to yell at us.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
This is surprisingly hard because the name nicknames for drugs
are ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Josh, you might have just turned it into slang for addro.
Someone heard this, They're like, I'm calling them peppers from
now on.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
It's gonna be my my proudest moment. I'll be walking
down the street someday I'll hear.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Peppers.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Okay. Number two, Cocaine, dust flake, Avalanche, toot, snow white, Bernice.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Did you make up the fake ones?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I did make up the fake ones.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I mean, Bernice, I'm gonna say toot. I'm gonna go.
It's I think it's my second guess is Avalanche. I'm
gonna go Bernice.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Lane, You're going to I'm going to Avalanche. Rory go
with your second.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Half a point half a point, all.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Right, we'll give you half a point to that you
were half right. Okay. Number three, meth Chrissy, Christy go shards,
Tina twin.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Defensive. I'm gonna go Christy.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I'm gonna go twink. Rory another points one point five
to zero.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I'm too pure, it's.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Too let's just proof that Lane does not use any
drugs her. Your mom is gonna be so happy vindicated
by Okay, number three, this is Rory is gonna have
an unfair advantage here. Bath salts, yep yep okay, bath salts,
wicked x Ivory missed, drone Bloom Sorry, Vanilla.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Sky, I mean, I mean just sounds. I'm gonna go.
I think that's real.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
That's that seems like a basalt varietal. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Vanilla's guy the correct answers, I remissed.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Oh I thought I've remissed for sure was real?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Is real?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Me is real? That's insane. Just here to get some mew.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Okay, And lastly, ketamine, cat valium, honey oil, k fuzz
kit cat purple, super acid.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I'm gonna go. Is it my turn to guest? First?
Sure cat valium blame uh purple, damn it.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I thought I thought when I saw it super I
mean super acid is I mean both awesome and ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I mean, super acid is so fun because it's meant
to be undercut for But it's just naming another drug.
Yeah right, Like, Hey, you got any cocaine? Like, what
do you mean ketamine? I mean ketamine, but I call
it I call it different cocaine.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Call it super cocaine.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Do you have any super coke? Lane?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I think you did your mom proud by going oh
for five coy one and a half, your mom, I.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Mean, I'm honestly one point five. I'm pretty I'm pretty
proud of that. You did a great job. Well, congrats
to Rory. Take that, Lane.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I feel like, if there's a QUIZZI you want to
not be good at it, that's one, yeah, bad.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
One, unless you're an undercover cop, which.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I'm not, or like an undercover drug dealers.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Which I'm not. Yeah, I exist on both sides.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Of the fence, all right. That's our show. Crimeless is
a production of SmartLess Media, Campsite Media and Big Money
Players in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. It's hosted by Rory
Scovel and me Josh Dean. Our senior producer is Lane Rose.
(37:09):
Emma Simonov is our associate producer. We're sound designed and
engineered by Blake Brook with support from Ewan Letram Ewen.
Mark McAdam composed our theme song. The executive producers at
Campside Media are Vanessa Gregoriatis, Matt Cher, and me Josh Dean.
The executive producers for iHeart Podcasts and Big Money Players
are Jack O'Brien, Lindsay Hoffmans, and Matt Appadaka for Smartlow's Media.
(37:34):
The executive producers are Will Arnette, Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes,
and Richard Corson. Bernie Kaminski is head of Production. The
Associate producer is Mattie McCann. A special thanks to our
operations team, Ashley Warren and Sabina Mara. Do you have
a question, comment, or confession for the Crimeless team? Email
us at Crimeless at campsidmedia dot com. And if you
(37:56):
enjoyed Crimeless, please rate and review the show wherever you
get your podcasts. It helps people find the show and
also makes us feel validated, unless you're mean, in which
case keep it to yourself. We'll see you next week.
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