June 19, 2025 • 38 mins
Grammy Award-winning artist Estelle joins host Astor Chambers for an intimate conversation you won’t want to miss. Known worldwide for her hit American Boy and her soulful voice, Estelle opens up about how Black British and Black American culture shaped her identity, music, and worldview.
From witnessing a life-changing Prince concert that turned the London sky purple to navigating her faith journey, Estelle shares how surrendering control, embracing patience, and choosing joy have guided her both personally and creatively.
Tune in to hear Estelle’s raw wisdom on staying true to yourself, nurturing your spirit in an industry that demands so much, and why choosing light — even in dark times — is her greatest rebellion.
Whether you’re a fan of Estelle’s music or just need a dose of authentic inspiration, this episode will remind you that life, culture, and faith are all working for you, not against you.
Listen now and let Estelle’s story inspire your own journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
To who much is given, much is required. Part of
that requirement is sharing. Culture is the heartbeat within our lives,
and it's at the core of so many things. While
we live in a time when we are starving for wisdom,
I welcome you to your wisdom retreat that culture raises us.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I show up as myself, and I show up as
myself in truth.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Estelle is a Grammy Award winning singer, songwriter and actress
from London who is known by many for her big
hit American Boy, and currently has The Estelle Show on
Apple Music.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Give Up, just give up, and get out of the way.
When I give up and I get out of the way,
nothing is ever terrible.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Give it too.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
If he's like, I'm trying to teach you a lessen hand,
open your mouth to do this.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I listen to that too. Life is happening for you.
I don't believe my world is trying to destiny. I
believe my world is beautiful and loves me, and I
moved through life like that. When people are like, yes,
always happy, Yes, it's wuck not. The highest vegetar is
when I am joyful, and most people always want them.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We'd love to start with when you hear culture, What
does that mean to you?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It's a big word.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, it's all the things that make us us. And
when I speak a culture, I'm talking about black culture.
I'm talking about Black British Black American culture, because I've
lived both experiences to a degree.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
You know, through your experience to date within the music industry,
I'd love to get a sense from you. Was there
a particular moment when you realize just how instrumental music
culture was to shaping overall landscape of our world.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh maybe when I was.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I would say, you don't realize it, But then I
think I paid attention to it when I was a child,
I think seeing So, I used to live in an
area in London called West Canyons run the back of
an area called I Was Caught, So it's kind of
like back to back neighborhoods, right.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Literally over a wall.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
There was this big venue called the El's Court Stadium
for one of the phrase was called one was Caught
and LS Caught two is the bigger one, and that
was right over my back.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Wall kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
We had literally literally over the wall you could see
the back of the stadium and I think, no, I
remember it being purple in the air.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Prince was playing, and when I tell you.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
The air looked purple, like the venue was covered in
purple from the inside and then the outside.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
You could just see purple in the air.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
And you're seeing this from your crib.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I'm seeing this from the back of my house, like
and I could hear him singing the songs and performing.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, like it was. He was one of my mom's.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Favorite artists, and it was like a it's like a
memory stuck in my you know, in the back of
my head, Like I remember seeing thinking they let the
air purple.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
For this math?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
How about that? What?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And it's my favorite color. So I loved to seeing
the purple.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
But I was just like, what this is This when
you realize it's lifestyles. Some people are very clear and
focused and intentional, you know, with their music, and you can.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Do it to that extent.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
That's when I realized like, oh, yeah, no, this is
this isn't a small venue, this isn't just someplace. This
is the l's call and the air is purple, and
this is that guy Prince.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So I'm assuming from that experience you had other evenings
or days where you've heard other music, but this vibration
in this field was different.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
This was different because I mean the venues and venues
everyone just goes and does the thing.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You hear who's playing cool? The air was purple? Do
you hear me?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Like it looked like I had a purple sky in London?
You know, maybe like my imagination doing tricks, but I
just remember seeing purple everywhere, Like why is the sky purple?
What is happening? And it was just in that area,
so it felt like an illusion. But you know, I
know what they do with lights.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Now, but at the time, I was just like, this
is just purple.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Rain, guys. And that was the moment for you that
showed you how impactful this music culture was. You know
what I've been meaning and I've been meaning to want
to ask you forever, you know, because growing up in
New York, family from Jamaica, but family in Bromley. Family
so used to come out in the summers in Bromley,
(04:09):
but always wanted to get from you talk about the
cultural differences from London to now being in the States
and the nuances from a black culture standpoint.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
The more the more I find out, the more I
realized we're all the same that part smoothly, Like there's
words that we used a different there's uh, there's things
that we approach from a different perspective, but we get
the same results. There's like the way that we wear
our closest, We influence each other, we go back and forth.
And then my experience comes from parents who emigrated the
(04:44):
first time, were born in the West Indies and Africa
and came in but were very dedicated to the culture
because their parents were dedicated to making sure we didn't
forget that. They didn't forget the recipes and so we
didn't forget the recipes lip I cook So that part specifically,
it's in my head.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's a I don't need a cookbook. It's a it's
what you do.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
So like the differences are this much. It's it's just
the way we do things, the nuance and like, oh,
I didn't have this.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Vegetable, so I used this instead, or we call this
vegetable this.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Oh so it's the same okay, cool, you know, or
we made we didn't have this thing at the beginning
of when we arrived in America, so we did it
this way, you know, same thing with like.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Okay, well you did it the way we were taught.
You just suggested the tools.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
You know, same thing literally, So it's fun to me
to look at it, look at every version of American
culture and be like, oh, that's that.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Okay, that's that.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You can make the associations every single time.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, you were you.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Were also raised in a in a very religious household
growing up. Were you not even able to listen to
like secular music?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
And Nope, for a period. Let me say that for
a period, because so it goes out. We went and
this is a part where I might have to adjust
when I talk people, because we started off my granddad
was Muslim married, uh, Methodist. My grandma was Christian married
her had to become Christian because then he went to
live with my grandma.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Then, so she.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Would observe his his his Islam, some of his Islam,
but she would also take him one to church, right,
so there was Ramadan it was after that, but she
was going to church on a son and he had
to come, so he'd be in there like, I guess, cool,
Like you know, I'm there with my wife, I guess.
And then when he stopped going, it was fine. So
we were raised Christian, went to Methodist went to uh
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this Church of England when I left, when my mom
left my grandma's house, we went to Methodist for a
while with my grandma and then we stayed with my
We went fully lived with my mom and had all,
you know, we parenting community. So when I say lived
with my mom, we lived in our family's houses. So
by the time it was just us my parents, we
were in Pentecostal and that was something else because that
(07:02):
was like.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Right, and I think that was more to do with
my mom and my.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Stepdad, and my stepdad was raised Pentecostal, and so he
was like, I want to find that kind of church
and let's raise our family.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You know, this is a calling. So he went we
all went there and that was when it became throw
all the shell the only gospel music in the house.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
We're going to get up and do five am devotions
and even though you got school at nine, get up
at five and so it was just like it was
a it was a discipline and restriction that of course
no child loves.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
But it was I found joy in the music of it,
you know.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I was like, this is the music, the harmony, is
the way they sing, like the way that the singing's done,
I know something. This feels good, This feels like something
I know, And so for me, that was my musical introduction.
I want to say, as far as like learning the
discipline of how to do music.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
It sounds like this is also a foundation for you
from a spirituality standpoint and a faith standpoint.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yep, it is.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
But you know, I also like realize how many different
religions we've had the blessing to be a part of,
and I realized that I'm more spiritual than religious.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
You know, I'm definitely a.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Break that down because a lot of us say that
and I don't know if well, it goes over people's
heads sometimes.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So the religion of it.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
If I have to go to somebody to get to God,
to me, that's religion. If I have to go to
a person to get to God, if I go to
a pastor or a priest or something, to me, that's religion.
That's a that's a practice of different things, spiritualities. I'm
going to pray and speak to God at every single
minute of every day because he told us that we
can essentially the door open, and the door is always open.
(08:37):
I looked at things from maybe I was fourteen fifteen,
I was like, I would go to church now something
It kind of hit me and it's stuck in my
brain as a process. There's us, He's all these different religions,
and there's God. And I feel like He gave us
all these different versions of religions to talk to, all
of our differences, you know, all of our different ways,
(08:58):
but most of it just get stuck on this instead
of just going to God.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So my thing was like I can learn.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
From you all, but you and God has to be
a relationship.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Of full relationships.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And so I you know, in every error and every
version of my journey through life and music for whatever
it's been, me and God we have real frank conversations,
and I you know, I struggle with waiting.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I struggle with like patience.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Sometimes I struggle with like knowing what to say. And
in those days, I literally I don't know what to say.
I feel like we need to talk about don't know
what to say. So, like, you know, you do the work,
Please appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I'm so glad you brought up the patient's piece because
you know, we we are programmed to put a plan together.
I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna have my album drop
on this day. I want to have my house. And
you know, everybody always says that's God laughing at us
smoothly cackling, cackling inside outside. Really I have the plan
(10:02):
for you, and the biggest thing is patience and knowing
that what will be is going to be, and what
you need will come to you when you need it
exactly and it's all in his time. How do you
manage that? I mean, because that's something like we all go.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Through surrender, the give up, just give up and get
out of the way. That part that's my thing.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Like when I give up and I get out of
the way, nothing is ever terrible.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I think about it, like.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
But put context around give up because I don't want
people running with this notion of what they think, right
and I ain't gonna do nothing. I'm gonna sit here
and it's gonna come to me.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
It's surrender. It to surrender isn't just like it's like
give it to him. I got prayer, and I'm like,
you got it. I don't know what to say you
got it or this. I'm tired to that you got it?
Like every I know that I'm taken care of in
all of the ways, and I act like I move
like it. If he's like, I'm trying to teach you
a lesson. Here, open your mouth and do this.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I listened to that too, that's right.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
But there's moment there's moments where I'm just like, yeah,
I don't got it, and he's like, okay, well you
don't get it.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
You don't want listen to me.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
On course, sit there and don't got it until you realize, well,
maybe I do got it.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I just need to be quiet. You know.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
There's always I feel like there's a lessons every single
thing you can turn around in. But the patient's thing
for me was a long was a game. So that
was a was a journey because I just want to
I did the plan. I did the thing. It should
come right now. I was like, it needs to cook.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Chill out right, relax the part is still boiling. Relaxed.
But I did all the things. I pulled the things
in the part you said.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
You said, yeah, I know I needed to sit there hours, right,
I needed to like boil. I need the heat to
do his thing. And this heat that you're feeling is
the heat cooking like chill out and so for me,
that's that's been my that's been my lesson and I
feel like I'm I'm not going to say I've learned
it because test me.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Of learning straight.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, it's an evolution thing.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It's so much in that that I think goes across
so many aspects of life beyond the patience and just
letting something marinate and be and being content in that.
And I'm sure you know, as I could speak for myself,
we've had to go through so many things to get
(12:27):
to a place of embracing that because it's so easy
once again when you say, but I've done all the things,
but it's his time.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
And then sometimes when you've done all the things, sometimes
it's like goes take a break.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And that's the other thing that you said that was
going to jump on that. I feel like we need
to talk about more in our villages. It's okay to
take a step back and sit. We I think we
attribute being busy with being productive.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Wildly the opposite.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Wildly.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I've been been days.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Where I wake up or weeks where I wake up
and I'm just like, oh, I am so tired this week.
I have done nothing and my body's catching up from
maybe last month.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
That's right, But it just hit me today that's right, because.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I didn't stop when I landed, and I didn't stop
to breathe, and I didn't stop to take a bath
or go in the red light or red light therapy,
or I didn't do all the things that I know
my body needs. So on this day, three weeks after
you've landed from wherever, you've been super busy at you
got off the plane, you got busy, busy.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Busy, even go go go.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
That third week, your body was like and for this week,
we shall be tired.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And we mistake that with like being lazy or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
But job, I'm not doing my thing, I'm not doing enough.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I'm hungry. Yeah, you've been hungry, you've been on your job,
you've been doing your thing. Your body's just tired. And
I learned.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I've learning to listen to that now too. I've learned,
and I'm learning to listen to that even more.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
And the power of stillness. I don't think we see
the power and the value of being still for a minute.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
How many times, if we like, how many times do
you how many times do you get in your bag
about something and the minute you sit down or you
lose something in the house and you're like running around
like where.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Did I put them? And then you'll be like clarity, oh,
every every single time.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And the more girl we get, the more me and
my friends relate to this, like putting something in the
house and just walking away from him being like, where
did I put that?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's right, Okay, that's why I put it.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
If you're doing your loops in every single thing you do,
and you don't have that moment to just be like,
that's the easiest way to find the thing, or that's
the easiest way to hear the thing, what's the easiest
way to see the thing?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's always inside you're.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Doing loops trying to find the thing, or you're you're
running around trying to lose your mind or expect the
thing or move the move the thing mentally, and the
things you're sitting there waiting for you to calm down
enough to see it. And that's why I'm like just
I'm always just like, yo, take a breath, Like take
a breath and then get back to it.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
But that's so you're back to your relationship conversation exactly right,
Because when you when you put it in that you
know that it's going to work out the way that
it needs to. But you have to have the faith,
you have to know and know to sit, be still,
or do whatever it is you need to do in
that time to let this thing become what it's going
to become in his time.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And play it out. Let it play out like some
most I say this to a lot of people, and
I mean it because it's for me.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Life is happening for you. The world is not trying
to decimate you. Really, isn't trying to your world. If
you believe that it isn't that, then it sure is
on you. I ain't got nothing to do with me.
I don't believe my world is trying to decimate me.
I think it's I think I.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Believe my world is beautiful and loves me and the
space adversity with all of it, because it's kol Harmon.
You need a little bit of everything.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I don't believe that that's the sole thing I got
to look forward to. And if I believe, I have
so much beautiful in the present and in front of me,
and I moved through life like that. So when people
are like you're always happy, Yes, match why the fuck not?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Like my world is glorious and that's a choice, and
that's a choice. And guess what you too have You
have the choice, a choice to choose joy and peace,
to choose it.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And it doesn't again, it doesn't take away from the
fact that there are things.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
That will happen.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
But I look at it like, well, let me look
at why this happened. Let me slow down, take a break,
take my breaths, and look at why I'm here and what,
you know, what is trying to teach me? And you
know sometimes that it's not like a whole two hour
of meditator listen to my calm at none of that ship.
(16:42):
Sometimes it's just like let me take a second. And
sometimes it's like, oh, got it, let's pull move right.
And sometimes it is like a week of I need
to sleep. My buddy is over me and it needs
and what it's telling me right now is I need
to go to bed, So I'm gonna just go into bed.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Listen to it. I'm so glad you shared that, and
I think it's a great segue because I think, given
the state of things that are happening around us to date,
what are you doing specifically to kind of ensure that
the cultures and the spaces that you frequent are being
nurtured properly. And what recommendations would you provide for other
creatives and consumers to also do well.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I show up as myself. That's what I can do,
my whole self. I know I'm a singer, and I
know I do everything talking and speaking under the sun.
But I show up as myself, and I show up
as myself in truth, I'm not giving you a show.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I'm not here to be like it's the show.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
It's not that it's absolutely me being like I'm present
with whoever I'm with. You know, if I'm saying that
someone's talking to me and they're like, and I can
feel that having a bad time, if I can do it,
and if I've got the capacity or if my energies
on my thousand that day, which I always tried to
make sure is whenever I go outside, otherwise I just
(18:00):
don't take the time and replenish myself, then most likely
I'm there to help, or I'm there to like listen,
or I'm there to like offer a perspective that they
may may may not know, and I'm there to learn
from them what I may or may not know, So
I take the time to be present with them. And
it does get sometimes it gets like, oh my goodness,
I'm exhausted after that interviution. But you know, my strength
(18:23):
doesn't come from me. So I'll take it and you'll
be replaced down and be quiet for a while over
there and then come back.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Because we're always trying to calm the storm rather than
calm ourself through the storm, which is going to pass.
You said through is the point through?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Is the point here?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah? And that's why when people say just take a
step every day, take a step, as long as it's
you're moving and you're not stagnant, you're moving through whatever
this thing is. But when you try to think that
you can control the storms, do.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
That, that's that's that's an effort in futility. That's that's
that's that's a.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Like a journey into futility, trying to trying to control
the storm, trying to tell the storm like chill out.
That's God, that's nothing to do with you. He's put
you there for a reason. Sometimes it's okay to just
and the.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Short the quicker, you realize this ain't you.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It's nothing to do with you. It's the way, it's
the journey you chosen. This is this might be something
to do with God. Right here is the quicker it
gets figured out. Every single time I was so I
used to get so frustrated. And one of my and
one of my managers at the time, it's to get
so frustrated because I would tell my.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Team to do this and you should talk to and
they would be doing it, but doing it their way, okay.
And she turns around to me one day.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
And she says to me she saw me just being
like that the thing ain't come through. And I told
she was like, but did you ever think that they're
getting it done and just getting it done in a
different way, in a different pattern, And it's still going
to get done.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It's just going this route instead of.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
That unity is not uniformity.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
We're still gonna get to the end result.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
And so to that point of like being able to
be like, all right, I thought it was meant to
and my human this meets that I thought that all
my brain told me that this is what you know
and this is all colored by my experiences.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
This is what it's meant to be, and this is
how it's meant to go.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And God was like, let me take you the easy
pass root relax.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
You know, and you don't even know what that looks like.
So you think it looks longer.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
About promise you this is the easy route. Yeah, I
got you the east. You know. In seasons of fasting,
which I'm sure you're very familiar with, which obviously could
be more than just food or social media or alcohol,
is there a communal fast that you would advocate for
to move us to get to a further clarity alignment
(20:54):
and focus moving forward.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, I would love it.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I would love it if at six pm every single
evening everyone just took fifteen minutes and meditated together, were.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Just in general like that at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Like so it gives you a bullet point, even if
it's not fifteen minutes, five minutes at six.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
O'clock, whatever it is at that same time.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, like take five minutes and go internal, fifteen minutes,
go internal as long as you need at six o'clock
every day for like a month, just to see what
happens different, even if it was just for someone who's
not into it, Let me see what's different.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Just do it. Just try I love that.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And I'm gonna I say six old because you asked
me if there was a community thing you do, If
that was the thing, That's why I would do. But
just the idea of everyone just chilling out for a
few minutes at maybe six at that golden time at day,
four pm, if they could, you know, depending on where
you were in the world and what your job looks like,
you know, just having them on and again, meditation.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Isn't right all the time, right right, It's I have
my ear pod and I'm listening to Megahotz. I'm having
a good conversation with God and myself. Intentional with that time,
intentional with your time at six pm. That was oh
four pm.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
And just because I just love when the sun is
not saying I love that time of day. It just
gives me a warm feeling of rebirth, like, oh okay,
I can get into the rest of the day.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
You know, that would be a thing for I love that.
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Another hot topic has been you know, d E and I,
And when you look at it, what it was prior,
it really helped more than anyone. White women crazy?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
How about that wild?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
How about them hembles? So what are the things we
need to now do to ensure that true diversity is
kind of reflected in the spaces where we've made so
much impact culturally for multiple decades.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Do what you know to do with everything that's going
on in the world. I think that.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
We act as though sometimes when these things come down
the pipeline and people.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Are like, well, the guys said, we.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Act as though we don't have free will as well,
we don't know what to do with ourselves, as though
we needed that mandate of DEI to allow us to
support each other, to allow us to go and buy
from our brothers, go and buy from our sisters, go
and put our brothers and sisters in specific positions. I'm
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talking humanity, and I'm talking culture. I'm talking white people,
black people. I'm talking, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Also talking us. Do what you know to do. If
that person over there is qualified and great, I'm not
discussing your race. I'm not discussing whether you can do
it as a gender. I don't care. You can do
the thing, do what you know to do, do.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
What you know in this era, in this time, in
this specific space. You know it's correct. They shouldn't be
a mandate like that's the part for me, so let's
stop acting. Is that we need the mandates to do
what makes sense. And I understand in some cases it
can be argued, yeah, you do, stop making stupid people popular,
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give stop giving people jobs who feel like that should
be a discussion.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Of putting people on platforms.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
And that's the qut. So people are putting people on
platforms and stop giving energy to people that feel like
that's a discussion to be had or that's a decision
to make, like you outside of your mind, like what
who raised you? And enough in terms, The truth is.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
We know who raised who that part.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
But we are us now in today.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
There's a lot more of us that that's not a
second thought to like, yeah, I don't I don't care
about what you identify. I don't care about your race,
I don't you can do the thing. Come on, there's
a lot more of those people out there, and I
want them to. I want us to realize that you
get that and move like that now because it's the truth.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
It is true.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I remember sitting through number of sessions, you know, for
years talking about diversity inclusion in the different corporate spaces,
and I would always ask, you know, what success looked
like for people, like what does success look like? And
there'd be multiple different answers, and they would ask me,
what do success look like for D and I? And
I said the day that we don't need it, that
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the D and I is not here. But now I'm
looking at how it's trying to be and it's a
totally different way that it's happening right now. My play
was coming from a space of when you do the
right thing, it's not even a thing anymore thought, it's
not even a thought.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
But the fact that we had they had to put
it in there and made you realize that people were on.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Bulshit, that what you're supposed to give it like this.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
And so my whole thing is just like it has
to become. We have to start believing and realizing and
moving and acting, and our actions have to reflect what
we believe. As far as it shouldn't be a thing,
I need it to not be a thing. It's nothing
like and be intentional. I have a thing where with
my friends and ongoing discussion where we're talking about everything
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that's going on in the world, and I was like.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I'm sick of being a mirror to this. I'd like
to be a solution.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
So don't don't don't DM me stuff where you're just
talking about the last week's headlines, talking about.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Oh my goodness, did you see this? I saw it.
I don't care about it.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I don't care to discuss it over and over and
over and over. I care to discuss the solution, and
I care to discuss what's actually happening in ways that
we can actually move like this, it's call to have information.
We are just we move, you know, like we not
even adjust or we just do the thing that's going
to help us.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
That's right and us us and us, you know, and
so like that's my thing. I'm I'm not.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I used to be like believe in fully and it's
just truth for the times that she was in Nina said,
you know, and arts reflects the times, and that's the truth.
And I think now an artist has to actually call
the future into be well.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I think that is an amazing segue into I'm so
glad that you are now working on new music. I
would love to hear about it how it came about
what your thoughts are, because you just gave two very
big scenarios, right talking about what's happening or being the future,
and I'd love to hear how that plays into what
you've got going on.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Well, funny, this album was made with that intentionality to
twenty twelve was when I did the very first record.
Twenty eighteen is when I first when we got in
on dispatch. We took that first record in twenty twelve
as like a route, right like the sound as a route,
one of the roots and myself and myself and Keith
(27:58):
Harris got in. I called him and I said, I
just I just want to dance. I want to make
music that feels fun and funky and joyful. This energy
the world, all the music that's out in the world
right now seems like it's trying to just squeeze us
into this crucifule of darkness.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
And I just I'm not it. I'm not in it.
I don't want to do it. I'm not I don't
get it. Like I don't like this. I want to dance.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I don't want to dance in two step and that's
all I got. I want to I want to tree,
you know, like I want to move every inch of
my body and keep moving my hairround. And he was like, cool,
let's get let's try something. And every from twenty eighteen
through the pandemic, I'm still tweaking stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It comes out in about a month or so, I'm
still tweaking stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
It might be out by the tide you see this,
but I'm still tweaking stuff on it. But it's just
intentional joy. I want to dance. I want to be
my highest version of me, like as much as I
knew it at the time, And it's all personal. You're
you know your higher self is subjective. You know your
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highest self, you know where that is. We probably never
make it. We're not going to reach it till we
till we get out of this planet. But the highest
version of me that I possibly can is when I
am joyful. It's when I am dancing, when I'm singing
and I'm having a good time, when I'm in a
space where people are lit up. Also because light attracts light,
that's right, And most people always want that. Most people
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I've encountered, I just want to feel good.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
They want to.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Tap into their light wherever they are. They never want
to walk away from a scenario feeling like.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, that was a good terrible time.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Like no one says that a good terrible time, and
nobody says that right.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
But I feel like people, some people walk around with
this darkness that they just can't give through, and it's understandable.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I would say that's your journey, but I always I
also believe that we're all born.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
With light, agree and a gift.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
And a gift.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I'm not saying it's a choice that you walked around
and however you got to get to the light.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Is however you get to the light. I would like
for it to be the sustainable light.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I don't want it to be the short term, even
though sometimes the short term it can lead you the
long and now it's confusing, but I believe that we're
all born with the light, and it should be in
pursuit of that, like everything you do should be in
pursuit of that light or in recognizance of that, like God,
Holy Spirit, angels, your whole spiritual team. It's about staying
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in tandem and stay with them, and you recognize it
when you see it. I can't. I believe in medicine
and I believe in herbs. I believe in science and
I believe in herbs. I say I believe in all
the things done right. It's the thing you know, moderation, Yeah,
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modervation and all the things chemicals come from herbs. They
take the compounds and make them into chemicals. And then
we have both sides. I believe in doctors and even
all of it, right, So I say that to say,
if somebody is going through a really dark time, doctors
are there for a reason. God made us all with
all these skills, gave us these things. Go see somebody,
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talk to somebody, find a way to somebody something, and
in the interim, talk to God. It doesn't have to
be everybody's everybody has to be in your business about it.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Like I talked to God all day, every.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Every day, Like I mean a car, like in my head,
say that out loud, speaking driving whatever, I'd be in
consistent communication and whether I hear back or not, I know.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
And that's it's like.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Just giving without the idea of it needing a interaction.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
It's the inconditional part for.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Me is to let go let God.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
It really is all the quotes we say, Jesus take
the whill, right, and then we say take the wheel,
and then we try to snatch it back from him.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I'm not into the snatching back but I'm.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Into the take the wheel, you got it, and when
I do snatch it back, it ends up terribly every time.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Again, I'm so glad you're sharing this because so often
the right the snatch back. I'm literally looking at myself
snatching the wheel, like when you say I got down autopilot,
you did thing. But I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Wait, just take that right, take that right.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And you know it's so wild is we have so
many references of him taking the wheel and look what
came from. It's so good, it's so good, like it
exceeded our expectations, what we even thought was possible.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Everything.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Then still guess what we go back and we try
to we trained that way, and it's and I give
myself grace. We're all trained that way. You know, this
would be a two three hour long podcast if I
get into that. But we'll all trained that way. It's
a it's a human thing. It's a generational thing.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
It's how we are in this plan programming.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Wait, yeah, other side would be programmed ourselves since maybe
the night I've been around at the nineteenth right eight.
But like people, you go, I think generations have been
programmed in certain ways and with each generation.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
We've evolved a little bit, but it.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Doesn't cut out the mainline programming isn't cut out there.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
You must work or you have to do this to
get that.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
And what I found is when I literally am like
I've done everything, you got it, or halfway through I
realized I'm starting to realize halfway through, all right, I'm tired.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
You got it.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
You know, like I stopped working. Sometimes I'm like, all right, geez,
you take the world. He's like, all right, I still
needs to do so and so, but like I got you,
and every time through the roof Wilder streams every but
I wouldn't be sitting here if it wasn't for one
of those moments I was. I was stressing my lawyers out,
maybe in two thousand and six seven before I got
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signed to have my album here, I was calling him
every thirty.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Minutes, like, have we got the deal done?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Because I was sitting in my house in between record
deals that Atlantic were buying me off of V to
buy my contract out of V two and buying me
as terrible buying.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
My contract off of V two. They didn't want to
let it go.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
There was so many numbers and words and things, and
stuff that they were trying to, you know, just stifle
the moment or get more money from Atlantic, and Atlantic
were like, this is the capitalist. So I remember maybe
four o'clock in the afternoon, four fives, my golden time
of day, and my lawyer was like, we probably won't
hear back from them un till tomorrow, so wrap, we'll
talk tomorrow and see what they say, because it's been
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months and weeks of like, we'll see what they say,
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I think I got so mad with everything.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I was like, oh God, you did not bring me
here just to bring me here.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I need you to do something right.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I cursed, like I apologize in the same breath, like
I'm sorry you forgot.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
It, but this is not it, Like you didn't bring
me here to bring me here with this music. I
know I got more did. I had an honest everything.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Out break down.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Just live it up. I ain't got it.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
I need you to within thirty seconds, Dear God, I
need that phone to ring, and I need this deal
to be done.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
And I was, I was very clear. I was like,
all right, thank you for Jesus saying.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I'm sorry for her.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Amen.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Oh literally thirty seconds later, the phone rings, Oh well,
we just got the final back. You can come in
and sign it tomorrow. I when I tell you, I cry.
I'm crying now. I cry praised, like I didn't know
what to do with myself. So this is my point
of like, do all you can do. Be frustrated, but
once you.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Surrender, surrender.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
And there's been so many instances of this for me,
for me to talk about because it'll be a three
hour show, but that's where I get the idea of like, yeah,
chill out, stop, And so I don't stress myself out
as much as I recognize what I'm doing too much.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
And I'm like, you got.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
It, such great gems to live by, and we thank
you for sharing it. And we always close these out
with what are the three seeds that you would want
to leave with the stewards of culture moving forward? And
I think what I'm selfishly, I'm like the way in
which you walk through the power of surrender, the power
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of surrender, because that doesn't even sound like it should
go together, the power of surrender.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Chill it out, one, chill out, the power.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Of chilling out and surrender.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Wow, it's a real thing. It's a real thing. I
know people talk about it and this podcasts at nauseum
and there's think pieces and what are you going to
do in between? Literally nothing like physically nothing, mentally nothing,
and mostly go do Go and sit in the bathtub
while you wait, and cook some food for your family
(36:54):
and yourself while you wait, Go and do a yoga session,
try something new, do some iichi this week while you wait,
like smoke a blunt.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Or roll up whichever you will bowl. I don't, you know,
I don't. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Do something outside of yourself that there's nothing to do
with the thing that you are surrendering about.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Like chick out, like some things get out the way,
like because you you what do I do? I like surrender?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Well, I pray and our fast and I all right,
that's great, Give God praise.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Say thank you for in advance. Also go and enjoy
your life. You know. Also go eat some food. My
bully just told me, go eat some food.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You know. Surrender like you did at the spage table
at Game night night where you got I'm sorry Americana.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Surrender like you did at the STA check.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Out, Like just listen, I have always you know, we've
met over the last couple of years and have very
mutual a lot of mutual friends in the same circles.
And I got to tell you, every time I come
into your space, it has always been great energy and
a sense of joy and light. And I just thank
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you for that authentic joy and positioning that you have
and even having this conversation and getting to the depths
of it, it makes even more sense now. And I'm
so grateful for you and everything that you're doing. And
you know you will always have a supporter here. Appreciate you,
Thank you, thank you. We truly appreciate your support because
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To who much is given, much is required. Part of
that requirement is sharing. Culture is the heartbeat within our lives,
and it's at the core of so many things. While
we live in a time when we are starving for wisdom,
I welcome you to your wisdom retreat that culture raises us.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I show up as myself, and I show up as
myself in truth.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Estelle is a Grammy Award winning singer, songwriter and actress
from London who is known by many for her big
hit American Boy, and currently has The Estelle Show on
Apple Music.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Give Up, just give up, and get out of the way.
When I give up and I get out of the way,
nothing is ever terrible.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Give it too.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
If he's like, I'm trying to teach you a lessen hand,
open your mouth to do this.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I listen to that too. Life is happening for you.
I don't believe my world is trying to destiny. I
believe my world is beautiful and loves me, and I
moved through life like that. When people are like, yes,
always happy, Yes, it's wuck not. The highest vegetar is
when I am joyful, and most people always want them.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We'd love to start with when you hear culture, What
does that mean to you?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It's a big word.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, it's all the things that make us us. And
when I speak a culture, I'm talking about black culture.
I'm talking about Black British Black American culture, because I've
lived both experiences to a degree.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
You know, through your experience to date within the music industry,
I'd love to get a sense from you. Was there
a particular moment when you realize just how instrumental music
culture was to shaping overall landscape of our world.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh maybe when I was.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I would say, you don't realize it, But then I
think I paid attention to it when I was a child,
I think seeing So, I used to live in an
area in London called West Canyons run the back of
an area called I Was Caught, So it's kind of
like back to back neighborhoods, right.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Literally over a wall.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
There was this big venue called the El's Court Stadium
for one of the phrase was called one was Caught
and LS Caught two is the bigger one, and that
was right over my back.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Wall kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
We had literally literally over the wall you could see
the back of the stadium and I think, no, I
remember it being purple in the air.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Prince was playing, and when I tell you.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
The air looked purple, like the venue was covered in
purple from the inside and then the outside.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
You could just see purple in the air.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
And you're seeing this from your crib.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I'm seeing this from the back of my house, like
and I could hear him singing the songs and performing.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, like it was. He was one of my mom's.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Favorite artists, and it was like a it's like a
memory stuck in my you know, in the back of
my head, Like I remember seeing thinking they let the
air purple.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
For this math?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
How about that? What?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And it's my favorite color. So I loved to seeing
the purple.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
But I was just like, what this is This when
you realize it's lifestyles. Some people are very clear and
focused and intentional, you know, with their music, and you can.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Do it to that extent.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
That's when I realized like, oh, yeah, no, this is
this isn't a small venue, this isn't just someplace. This
is the l's call and the air is purple, and
this is that guy Prince.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So I'm assuming from that experience you had other evenings
or days where you've heard other music, but this vibration
in this field was different.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
This was different because I mean the venues and venues
everyone just goes and does the thing.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You hear who's playing cool? The air was purple? Do
you hear me?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Like it looked like I had a purple sky in London?
You know, maybe like my imagination doing tricks, but I
just remember seeing purple everywhere, Like why is the sky purple?
What is happening? And it was just in that area,
so it felt like an illusion. But you know, I
know what they do with lights.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Now, but at the time, I was just like, this
is just purple.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Rain, guys. And that was the moment for you that
showed you how impactful this music culture was. You know
what I've been meaning and I've been meaning to want
to ask you forever, you know, because growing up in
New York, family from Jamaica, but family in Bromley. Family
so used to come out in the summers in Bromley,
(04:09):
but always wanted to get from you talk about the
cultural differences from London to now being in the States
and the nuances from a black culture standpoint.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
The more the more I find out, the more I
realized we're all the same that part smoothly, Like there's
words that we used a different there's uh, there's things
that we approach from a different perspective, but we get
the same results. There's like the way that we wear
our closest, We influence each other, we go back and forth.
And then my experience comes from parents who emigrated the
(04:44):
first time, were born in the West Indies and Africa
and came in but were very dedicated to the culture
because their parents were dedicated to making sure we didn't
forget that. They didn't forget the recipes and so we
didn't forget the recipes lip I cook So that part specifically,
it's in my head.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It's a I don't need a cookbook. It's a it's
what you do.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
So like the differences are this much. It's it's just
the way we do things, the nuance and like, oh,
I didn't have this.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Vegetable, so I used this instead, or we call this
vegetable this.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Oh so it's the same okay, cool, you know, or
we made we didn't have this thing at the beginning
of when we arrived in America, so we did it
this way, you know, same thing with like.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Okay, well you did it the way we were taught.
You just suggested the tools.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
You know, same thing literally, So it's fun to me
to look at it, look at every version of American
culture and be like, oh, that's that.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Okay, that's that.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You can make the associations every single time.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, you were you.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Were also raised in a in a very religious household
growing up. Were you not even able to listen to
like secular music?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
And Nope, for a period. Let me say that for
a period, because so it goes out. We went and
this is a part where I might have to adjust
when I talk people, because we started off my granddad
was Muslim married, uh, Methodist. My grandma was Christian married
her had to become Christian because then he went to
live with my grandma.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Then, so she.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Would observe his his his Islam, some of his Islam,
but she would also take him one to church, right,
so there was Ramadan it was after that, but she
was going to church on a son and he had
to come, so he'd be in there like, I guess, cool,
Like you know, I'm there with my wife, I guess.
And then when he stopped going, it was fine. So
we were raised Christian, went to Methodist went to uh
(06:40):
this Church of England when I left, when my mom
left my grandma's house, we went to Methodist for a
while with my grandma and then we stayed with my
We went fully lived with my mom and had all,
you know, we parenting community. So when I say lived
with my mom, we lived in our family's houses. So
by the time it was just us my parents, we
were in Pentecostal and that was something else because that
(07:02):
was like.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Right, and I think that was more to do with
my mom and my.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Stepdad, and my stepdad was raised Pentecostal, and so he
was like, I want to find that kind of church
and let's raise our family.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You know, this is a calling. So he went we
all went there and that was when it became throw
all the shell the only gospel music in the house.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
We're going to get up and do five am devotions
and even though you got school at nine, get up
at five and so it was just like it was
a it was a discipline and restriction that of course
no child loves.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
But it was I found joy in the music of it,
you know.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I was like, this is the music, the harmony, is
the way they sing, like the way that the singing's done,
I know something. This feels good, This feels like something
I know, And so for me, that was my musical introduction.
I want to say, as far as like learning the
discipline of how to do music.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
It sounds like this is also a foundation for you
from a spirituality standpoint and a faith standpoint.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yep, it is.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
But you know, I also like realize how many different
religions we've had the blessing to be a part of,
and I realized that I'm more spiritual than religious.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
You know, I'm definitely a.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Break that down because a lot of us say that
and I don't know if well, it goes over people's
heads sometimes.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So the religion of it.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
If I have to go to somebody to get to God,
to me, that's religion. If I have to go to
a person to get to God, if I go to
a pastor or a priest or something, to me, that's religion.
That's a that's a practice of different things, spiritualities. I'm
going to pray and speak to God at every single
minute of every day because he told us that we
can essentially the door open, and the door is always open.
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I looked at things from maybe I was fourteen fifteen,
I was like, I would go to church now something
It kind of hit me and it's stuck in my
brain as a process. There's us, He's all these different religions,
and there's God. And I feel like He gave us
all these different versions of religions to talk to, all
of our differences, you know, all of our different ways,
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but most of it just get stuck on this instead
of just going to God.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So my thing was like I can learn.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
From you all, but you and God has to be
a relationship.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Of full relationships.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And so I you know, in every error and every
version of my journey through life and music for whatever
it's been, me and God we have real frank conversations,
and I you know, I struggle with waiting.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I struggle with like patience.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Sometimes I struggle with like knowing what to say. And
in those days, I literally I don't know what to say.
I feel like we need to talk about don't know
what to say. So, like, you know, you do the work,
Please appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I'm so glad you brought up the patient's piece because
you know, we we are programmed to put a plan together.
I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna have my album drop
on this day. I want to have my house. And
you know, everybody always says that's God laughing at us
smoothly cackling, cackling inside outside. Really I have the plan
(10:02):
for you, and the biggest thing is patience and knowing
that what will be is going to be, and what
you need will come to you when you need it
exactly and it's all in his time. How do you
manage that? I mean, because that's something like we all go.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Through surrender, the give up, just give up and get
out of the way. That part that's my thing.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Like when I give up and I get out of
the way, nothing is ever terrible.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I think about it, like.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
But put context around give up because I don't want
people running with this notion of what they think, right
and I ain't gonna do nothing. I'm gonna sit here
and it's gonna come to me.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
It's surrender. It to surrender isn't just like it's like
give it to him. I got prayer, and I'm like,
you got it. I don't know what to say you
got it or this. I'm tired to that you got it?
Like every I know that I'm taken care of in
all of the ways, and I act like I move
like it. If he's like, I'm trying to teach you
a lesson. Here, open your mouth and do this.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I listened to that too, that's right.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
But there's moment there's moments where I'm just like, yeah,
I don't got it, and he's like, okay, well you
don't get it.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
You don't want listen to me.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
On course, sit there and don't got it until you realize, well,
maybe I do got it.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I just need to be quiet. You know.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
There's always I feel like there's a lessons every single
thing you can turn around in. But the patient's thing
for me was a long was a game. So that
was a was a journey because I just want to
I did the plan. I did the thing. It should
come right now. I was like, it needs to cook.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Chill out right, relax the part is still boiling. Relaxed.
But I did all the things. I pulled the things
in the part you said.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
You said, yeah, I know I needed to sit there hours, right,
I needed to like boil. I need the heat to
do his thing. And this heat that you're feeling is
the heat cooking like chill out and so for me,
that's that's been my that's been my lesson and I
feel like I'm I'm not going to say I've learned
it because test me.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Of learning straight.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, it's an evolution thing.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It's so much in that that I think goes across
so many aspects of life beyond the patience and just
letting something marinate and be and being content in that.
And I'm sure you know, as I could speak for myself,
we've had to go through so many things to get
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to a place of embracing that because it's so easy
once again when you say, but I've done all the things,
but it's his time.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
And then sometimes when you've done all the things, sometimes
it's like goes take a break.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And that's the other thing that you said that was
going to jump on that. I feel like we need
to talk about more in our villages. It's okay to
take a step back and sit. We I think we
attribute being busy with being productive.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Wildly the opposite.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Wildly.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I've been been days.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Where I wake up or weeks where I wake up
and I'm just like, oh, I am so tired this week.
I have done nothing and my body's catching up from
maybe last month.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
That's right, But it just hit me today that's right, because.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I didn't stop when I landed, and I didn't stop
to breathe, and I didn't stop to take a bath
or go in the red light or red light therapy,
or I didn't do all the things that I know
my body needs. So on this day, three weeks after
you've landed from wherever, you've been super busy at you
got off the plane, you got busy, busy.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Busy, even go go go.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
That third week, your body was like and for this week,
we shall be tired.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And we mistake that with like being lazy or whatever.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
But job, I'm not doing my thing, I'm not doing enough.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I'm hungry. Yeah, you've been hungry, you've been on your job,
you've been doing your thing. Your body's just tired. And
I learned.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I've learning to listen to that now too. I've learned,
and I'm learning to listen to that even more.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
And the power of stillness. I don't think we see
the power and the value of being still for a minute.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
How many times, if we like, how many times do
you how many times do you get in your bag
about something and the minute you sit down or you
lose something in the house and you're like running around
like where.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Did I put them? And then you'll be like clarity, oh,
every every single time.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And the more girl we get, the more me and
my friends relate to this, like putting something in the
house and just walking away from him being like, where
did I put that?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's right, Okay, that's why I put it.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
If you're doing your loops in every single thing you do,
and you don't have that moment to just be like,
that's the easiest way to find the thing, or that's
the easiest way to hear the thing, what's the easiest
way to see the thing?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's always inside you're.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Doing loops trying to find the thing, or you're you're
running around trying to lose your mind or expect the
thing or move the move the thing mentally, and the
things you're sitting there waiting for you to calm down
enough to see it. And that's why I'm like just
I'm always just like, yo, take a breath, Like take
a breath and then get back to it.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
But that's so you're back to your relationship conversation exactly right,
Because when you when you put it in that you
know that it's going to work out the way that
it needs to. But you have to have the faith,
you have to know and know to sit, be still,
or do whatever it is you need to do in
that time to let this thing become what it's going
to become in his time.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And play it out. Let it play out like some
most I say this to a lot of people, and
I mean it because it's for me.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Life is happening for you. The world is not trying
to decimate you. Really, isn't trying to your world. If
you believe that it isn't that, then it sure is
on you. I ain't got nothing to do with me.
I don't believe my world is trying to decimate me.
I think it's I think I.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Believe my world is beautiful and loves me and the
space adversity with all of it, because it's kol Harmon.
You need a little bit of everything.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I don't believe that that's the sole thing I got
to look forward to. And if I believe, I have
so much beautiful in the present and in front of me,
and I moved through life like that. So when people
are like you're always happy, Yes, match why the fuck not?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Like my world is glorious and that's a choice, and
that's a choice. And guess what you too have You
have the choice, a choice to choose joy and peace,
to choose it.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And it doesn't again, it doesn't take away from the
fact that there are things.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
That will happen.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
But I look at it like, well, let me look
at why this happened. Let me slow down, take a break,
take my breaths, and look at why I'm here and what,
you know, what is trying to teach me? And you
know sometimes that it's not like a whole two hour
of meditator listen to my calm at none of that ship.
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Sometimes it's just like let me take a second. And
sometimes it's like, oh, got it, let's pull move right.
And sometimes it is like a week of I need
to sleep. My buddy is over me and it needs
and what it's telling me right now is I need
to go to bed, So I'm gonna just go into bed.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Listen to it. I'm so glad you shared that, and
I think it's a great segue because I think, given
the state of things that are happening around us to date,
what are you doing specifically to kind of ensure that
the cultures and the spaces that you frequent are being
nurtured properly. And what recommendations would you provide for other
creatives and consumers to also do well.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I show up as myself. That's what I can do,
my whole self. I know I'm a singer, and I
know I do everything talking and speaking under the sun.
But I show up as myself, and I show up
as myself in truth, I'm not giving you a show.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I'm not here to be like it's the show.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
It's not that it's absolutely me being like I'm present
with whoever I'm with. You know, if I'm saying that
someone's talking to me and they're like, and I can
feel that having a bad time, if I can do it,
and if I've got the capacity or if my energies
on my thousand that day, which I always tried to
make sure is whenever I go outside, otherwise I just
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don't take the time and replenish myself, then most likely
I'm there to help, or I'm there to like listen,
or I'm there to like offer a perspective that they
may may may not know, and I'm there to learn
from them what I may or may not know, So
I take the time to be present with them. And
it does get sometimes it gets like, oh my goodness,
I'm exhausted after that interviution. But you know, my strength
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doesn't come from me. So I'll take it and you'll
be replaced down and be quiet for a while over
there and then come back.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Because we're always trying to calm the storm rather than
calm ourself through the storm, which is going to pass.
You said through is the point through?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Is the point here?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah? And that's why when people say just take a
step every day, take a step, as long as it's
you're moving and you're not stagnant, you're moving through whatever
this thing is. But when you try to think that
you can control the storms, do.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
That, that's that's that's an effort in futility. That's that's
that's that's a.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Like a journey into futility, trying to trying to control
the storm, trying to tell the storm like chill out.
That's God, that's nothing to do with you. He's put
you there for a reason. Sometimes it's okay to just
and the.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Short the quicker, you realize this ain't you.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It's nothing to do with you. It's the way, it's
the journey you chosen. This is this might be something
to do with God. Right here is the quicker it
gets figured out. Every single time I was so I
used to get so frustrated. And one of my and
one of my managers at the time, it's to get
so frustrated because I would tell my.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Team to do this and you should talk to and
they would be doing it, but doing it their way, okay.
And she turns around to me one day.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
And she says to me she saw me just being
like that the thing ain't come through. And I told
she was like, but did you ever think that they're
getting it done and just getting it done in a
different way, in a different pattern, And it's still going
to get done.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It's just going this route instead of.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
That unity is not uniformity.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
We're still gonna get to the end result.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
And so to that point of like being able to
be like, all right, I thought it was meant to
and my human this meets that I thought that all
my brain told me that this is what you know
and this is all colored by my experiences.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
This is what it's meant to be, and this is
how it's meant to go.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And God was like, let me take you the easy
pass root relax.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
You know, and you don't even know what that looks like.
So you think it looks longer.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
About promise you this is the easy route. Yeah, I
got you the east. You know. In seasons of fasting,
which I'm sure you're very familiar with, which obviously could
be more than just food or social media or alcohol,
is there a communal fast that you would advocate for
to move us to get to a further clarity alignment
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and focus moving forward.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, I would love it.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I would love it if at six pm every single
evening everyone just took fifteen minutes and meditated together, were.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Just in general like that at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Like so it gives you a bullet point, even if
it's not fifteen minutes, five minutes at six.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
O'clock, whatever it is at that same time.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, like take five minutes and go internal, fifteen minutes,
go internal as long as you need at six o'clock
every day for like a month, just to see what
happens different, even if it was just for someone who's
not into it, Let me see what's different.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Just do it. Just try I love that.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And I'm gonna I say six old because you asked
me if there was a community thing you do, If
that was the thing, That's why I would do. But
just the idea of everyone just chilling out for a
few minutes at maybe six at that golden time at day,
four pm, if they could, you know, depending on where
you were in the world and what your job looks like,
you know, just having them on and again, meditation.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Isn't right all the time, right right, It's I have
my ear pod and I'm listening to Megahotz. I'm having
a good conversation with God and myself. Intentional with that time,
intentional with your time at six pm. That was oh
four pm.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
And just because I just love when the sun is
not saying I love that time of day. It just
gives me a warm feeling of rebirth, like, oh okay,
I can get into the rest of the day.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
You know, that would be a thing for I love that.
You know.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Another hot topic has been you know, d E and I,
And when you look at it, what it was prior,
it really helped more than anyone. White women crazy?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
How about that wild?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
How about them hembles? So what are the things we
need to now do to ensure that true diversity is
kind of reflected in the spaces where we've made so
much impact culturally for multiple decades.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Do what you know to do with everything that's going
on in the world. I think that.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
We act as though sometimes when these things come down
the pipeline and people.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Are like, well, the guys said, we.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Act as though we don't have free will as well,
we don't know what to do with ourselves, as though
we needed that mandate of DEI to allow us to
support each other, to allow us to go and buy
from our brothers, go and buy from our sisters, go
and put our brothers and sisters in specific positions. I'm
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talking humanity, and I'm talking culture. I'm talking white people,
black people. I'm talking, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Also talking us. Do what you know to do. If
that person over there is qualified and great, I'm not
discussing your race. I'm not discussing whether you can do
it as a gender. I don't care. You can do
the thing, do what you know to do, do.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
What you know in this era, in this time, in
this specific space. You know it's correct. They shouldn't be
a mandate like that's the part for me, so let's
stop acting. Is that we need the mandates to do
what makes sense. And I understand in some cases it
can be argued, yeah, you do, stop making stupid people popular,
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give stop giving people jobs who feel like that should
be a discussion.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Of putting people on platforms.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
And that's the qut. So people are putting people on
platforms and stop giving energy to people that feel like
that's a discussion to be had or that's a decision
to make, like you outside of your mind, like what
who raised you? And enough in terms, The truth is.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
We know who raised who that part.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
But we are us now in today.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
There's a lot more of us that that's not a
second thought to like, yeah, I don't I don't care
about what you identify. I don't care about your race,
I don't you can do the thing. Come on, there's
a lot more of those people out there, and I
want them to. I want us to realize that you
get that and move like that now because it's the truth.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
It is true.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I remember sitting through number of sessions, you know, for
years talking about diversity inclusion in the different corporate spaces,
and I would always ask, you know, what success looked
like for people, like what does success look like? And
there'd be multiple different answers, and they would ask me,
what do success look like for D and I? And
I said the day that we don't need it, that
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the D and I is not here. But now I'm
looking at how it's trying to be and it's a
totally different way that it's happening right now. My play
was coming from a space of when you do the
right thing, it's not even a thing anymore thought, it's
not even a thought.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
But the fact that we had they had to put
it in there and made you realize that people were on.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Bulshit, that what you're supposed to give it like this.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
And so my whole thing is just like it has
to become. We have to start believing and realizing and
moving and acting, and our actions have to reflect what
we believe. As far as it shouldn't be a thing,
I need it to not be a thing. It's nothing
like and be intentional. I have a thing where with
my friends and ongoing discussion where we're talking about everything
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that's going on in the world, and I was like.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I'm sick of being a mirror to this. I'd like
to be a solution.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
So don't don't don't DM me stuff where you're just
talking about the last week's headlines, talking about.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Oh my goodness, did you see this? I saw it.
I don't care about it.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
I don't care to discuss it over and over and
over and over. I care to discuss the solution, and
I care to discuss what's actually happening in ways that
we can actually move like this, it's call to have information.
We are just we move, you know, like we not
even adjust or we just do the thing that's going
to help us.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
That's right and us us and us, you know, and
so like that's my thing. I'm I'm not.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I used to be like believe in fully and it's
just truth for the times that she was in Nina said,
you know, and arts reflects the times, and that's the truth.
And I think now an artist has to actually call
the future into be well.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I think that is an amazing segue into I'm so
glad that you are now working on new music. I
would love to hear about it how it came about
what your thoughts are, because you just gave two very
big scenarios, right talking about what's happening or being the future,
and I'd love to hear how that plays into what
you've got going on.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Well, funny, this album was made with that intentionality to
twenty twelve was when I did the very first record.
Twenty eighteen is when I first when we got in
on dispatch. We took that first record in twenty twelve
as like a route, right like the sound as a route,
one of the roots and myself and myself and Keith
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Harris got in. I called him and I said, I
just I just want to dance. I want to make
music that feels fun and funky and joyful. This energy
the world, all the music that's out in the world
right now seems like it's trying to just squeeze us
into this crucifule of darkness.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
And I just I'm not it. I'm not in it.
I don't want to do it. I'm not I don't
get it. Like I don't like this. I want to dance.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I don't want to dance in two step and that's
all I got. I want to I want to tree,
you know, like I want to move every inch of
my body and keep moving my hairround. And he was like, cool,
let's get let's try something. And every from twenty eighteen
through the pandemic, I'm still tweaking stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It comes out in about a month or so, I'm
still tweaking stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
It might be out by the tide you see this,
but I'm still tweaking stuff on it. But it's just
intentional joy. I want to dance. I want to be
my highest version of me, like as much as I
knew it at the time, And it's all personal. You're
you know your higher self is subjective. You know your
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highest self, you know where that is. We probably never
make it. We're not going to reach it till we
till we get out of this planet. But the highest
version of me that I possibly can is when I
am joyful. It's when I am dancing, when I'm singing
and I'm having a good time, when I'm in a
space where people are lit up. Also because light attracts light,
that's right, And most people always want that. Most people
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I've encountered, I just want to feel good.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
They want to.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Tap into their light wherever they are. They never want
to walk away from a scenario feeling like.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, that was a good terrible time.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Like no one says that a good terrible time, and
nobody says that right.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
But I feel like people, some people walk around with
this darkness that they just can't give through, and it's understandable.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I would say that's your journey, but I always I
also believe that we're all born.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
With light, agree and a gift.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
And a gift.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I'm not saying it's a choice that you walked around
and however you got to get to the light.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Is however you get to the light. I would like
for it to be the sustainable light.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I don't want it to be the short term, even
though sometimes the short term it can lead you the
long and now it's confusing, but I believe that we're
all born with the light, and it should be in
pursuit of that, like everything you do should be in
pursuit of that light or in recognizance of that, like God,
Holy Spirit, angels, your whole spiritual team. It's about staying
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in tandem and stay with them, and you recognize it
when you see it. I can't. I believe in medicine
and I believe in herbs. I believe in science and
I believe in herbs. I say I believe in all
the things done right. It's the thing you know, moderation, Yeah,
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modervation and all the things chemicals come from herbs. They
take the compounds and make them into chemicals. And then
we have both sides. I believe in doctors and even
all of it, right, So I say that to say,
if somebody is going through a really dark time, doctors
are there for a reason. God made us all with
all these skills, gave us these things. Go see somebody,
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talk to somebody, find a way to somebody something, and
in the interim, talk to God. It doesn't have to
be everybody's everybody has to be in your business about it.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Like I talked to God all day, every.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Every day, Like I mean a car, like in my head,
say that out loud, speaking driving whatever, I'd be in
consistent communication and whether I hear back or not, I know.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
And that's it's like.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Just giving without the idea of it needing a interaction.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
It's the inconditional part for.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Me is to let go let God.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
It really is all the quotes we say, Jesus take
the whill, right, and then we say take the wheel,
and then we try to snatch it back from him.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I'm not into the snatching back but I'm.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Into the take the wheel, you got it, and when
I do snatch it back, it ends up terribly every time.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Again, I'm so glad you're sharing this because so often
the right the snatch back. I'm literally looking at myself
snatching the wheel, like when you say I got down autopilot,
you did thing. But I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Wait, just take that right, take that right.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And you know it's so wild is we have so
many references of him taking the wheel and look what
came from. It's so good, it's so good, like it
exceeded our expectations, what we even thought was possible.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Everything.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Then still guess what we go back and we try
to we trained that way, and it's and I give
myself grace. We're all trained that way. You know, this
would be a two three hour long podcast if I
get into that. But we'll all trained that way. It's
a it's a human thing. It's a generational thing.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
It's how we are in this plan programming.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Wait, yeah, other side would be programmed ourselves since maybe
the night I've been around at the nineteenth right eight.
But like people, you go, I think generations have been
programmed in certain ways and with each generation.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
We've evolved a little bit, but it.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Doesn't cut out the mainline programming isn't cut out there.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
You must work or you have to do this to
get that.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
And what I found is when I literally am like
I've done everything, you got it, or halfway through I
realized I'm starting to realize halfway through, all right, I'm tired.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
You got it.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
You know, like I stopped working. Sometimes I'm like, all right, geez,
you take the world. He's like, all right, I still
needs to do so and so, but like I got you,
and every time through the roof Wilder streams every but
I wouldn't be sitting here if it wasn't for one
of those moments I was. I was stressing my lawyers out,
maybe in two thousand and six seven before I got
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signed to have my album here, I was calling him
every thirty.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Minutes, like, have we got the deal done?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Because I was sitting in my house in between record
deals that Atlantic were buying me off of V to
buy my contract out of V two and buying me
as terrible buying.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
My contract off of V two. They didn't want to
let it go.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
There was so many numbers and words and things, and
stuff that they were trying to, you know, just stifle
the moment or get more money from Atlantic, and Atlantic
were like, this is the capitalist. So I remember maybe
four o'clock in the afternoon, four fives, my golden time
of day, and my lawyer was like, we probably won't
hear back from them un till tomorrow, so wrap, we'll
talk tomorrow and see what they say, because it's been
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months and weeks of like, we'll see what they say,
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
I think I got so mad with everything.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I was like, oh God, you did not bring me
here just to bring me here.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I need you to do something right.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I cursed, like I apologize in the same breath, like
I'm sorry you forgot.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
It, but this is not it, Like you didn't bring
me here to bring me here with this music. I
know I got more did. I had an honest everything.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Out break down.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Just live it up. I ain't got it.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
I need you to within thirty seconds, Dear God, I
need that phone to ring, and I need this deal
to be done.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
And I was, I was very clear. I was like,
all right, thank you for Jesus saying.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I'm sorry for her.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Amen.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Oh literally thirty seconds later, the phone rings, Oh well,
we just got the final back. You can come in
and sign it tomorrow. I when I tell you, I cry.
I'm crying now. I cry praised, like I didn't know
what to do with myself. So this is my point
of like, do all you can do. Be frustrated, but
once you.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Surrender, surrender.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
And there's been so many instances of this for me,
for me to talk about because it'll be a three
hour show, but that's where I get the idea of like, yeah,
chill out, stop, And so I don't stress myself out
as much as I recognize what I'm doing too much.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
And I'm like, you got.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
It, such great gems to live by, and we thank
you for sharing it. And we always close these out
with what are the three seeds that you would want
to leave with the stewards of culture moving forward? And
I think what I'm selfishly, I'm like the way in
which you walk through the power of surrender, the power
(36:18):
of surrender, because that doesn't even sound like it should
go together, the power of surrender.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Chill it out, one, chill out, the power.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Of chilling out and surrender.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Wow, it's a real thing. It's a real thing. I
know people talk about it and this podcasts at nauseum
and there's think pieces and what are you going to
do in between? Literally nothing like physically nothing, mentally nothing,
and mostly go do Go and sit in the bathtub
while you wait, and cook some food for your family
(36:54):
and yourself while you wait, Go and do a yoga session,
try something new, do some iichi this week while you wait,
like smoke a blunt.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Or roll up whichever you will bowl. I don't, you know,
I don't. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Do something outside of yourself that there's nothing to do
with the thing that you are surrendering about.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Like chick out, like some things get out the way,
like because you you what do I do? I like surrender?
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Well, I pray and our fast and I all right,
that's great, Give God praise.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Say thank you for in advance. Also go and enjoy
your life. You know. Also go eat some food. My
bully just told me, go eat some food.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
You know. Surrender like you did at the spage table
at Game night night where you got I'm sorry Americana.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Surrender like you did at the STA check.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Out, Like just listen, I have always you know, we've
met over the last couple of years and have very
mutual a lot of mutual friends in the same circles.
And I got to tell you, every time I come
into your space, it has always been great energy and
a sense of joy and light. And I just thank
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you for that authentic joy and positioning that you have
and even having this conversation and getting to the depths
of it, it makes even more sense now. And I'm
so grateful for you and everything that you're doing. And
you know you will always have a supporter here. Appreciate you,
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