April 30, 2020 • 20 mins
A government run study of Gilead Science’s ant-viral drug, remdesivir has shown that the medicine is an effective treatment for COVID-19. The study achieved its primary goal which was to improve time to recovery, which was reduced by four days for those on the drug. Adam Feuerstein, reporter at STAT News, joins us for more on remdesivir which is expected to get emergency approval by the FDA.
Next, restaurants in Georgia, Tennessee, and Anchorage, Alaska have begun to reopen and all eyes will be on them to see how the rollout goes. In Georgia, the state government has issued 39 guidelines that restaurants must follow including wearing facemasks, screening employees and patrons for signs of illness, and even sign in sheets if the info is needed later for contact tracing. Chloe Sorvino, writer at Forbes, joins us for how some restaurants are beginning to open their doors.
Finally, the US Department of Defense officially released three videos depicting encounters that Navy pilots had with UFOs. These videos had already previously been released by the NY Times, but now the Pentagon is officially recognizing that the unclassified videos are real, though they do not comment on what is seen. Daniel Oberhaus, writer at Wired, joins us for more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Thursday a I'm oscar ramiros in Los Angeles and
this is the daily dive. A government run study of
Gill Lead Sciences anti viral drug from Dezevie has shown
that the medicine is an effective treatment for COVID nineteen.
The study achieved its primary goal, which was to improve
(00:21):
time to recovery, which was reduced by four days for
those on the drug. Adam foyer Stein, reporter at stat News,
joins us for more and m Dezevie, which is expected
to get emergency approval by the FDA next. Restaurants in Georgia, Tennessee,
and Anchored Alaska have begun to reopen, and all eyes
will be on them to see how the rollout goes.
(00:41):
In Georgia, the state government has issued thirty nine guidelines
that restaurants must follow, including wearing face masks, screening employees
and patrons for signs of illness, and even sign in
sheets if the info is needed later for contact racing.
Chloe Sorvino, writer at Forbes, joins US for how some
restaurants are beginning to open their doors. Finally, the U.
S Department of Defense has officially released three videos depicting
(01:04):
encounters that Navy pilots had with UFOs. These videos had
already previously been released by the New York Times, but
now the Pentagon is officially recognizing that the unclassified videos
are real, though they do not come in what is seen.
Daniel Oberhaus, writer at Wired, joins us for more. It's
news without the noise. Let's dive in. The data shows
(01:29):
that rundi via has a clear cut, significant positive effect
in diminishing the time to recovery. Joining us now is
Adam Fogerstein, reporter at stat News. Thanks for joining us. Adam, Hey,
it's good to be here. Thank you. I wanted to
talk about some updates with regards to treating COVID nineteen,
(01:49):
the coronavirus. There was a government run study of Gilelead
Sciences rim Desiviere, which has shown some promising things with
regards to treatment of COVID nineteen. It shows of the
medicine is effective and it really helps people get out
of the hospital quicker when being treated with this. Adam
tell us a little bit about what we know from
this study. It was a pretty monumental day for COVID
(02:12):
nineteen n for this drugram descivere today. Like you said,
this was a government run study. The study was actually
run by the agency that is overseen by Tony Feruchi,
so his agency ran this very large clinical trial. There
was a polacepo control which basically was looking at saying
roun desseivere to treat COVID nineteen patients who were in
the hospital. And as you said, the study was positive,
and it found essentially that patients who took ram desivere
(02:35):
recovered faster than similar patients who were treated with a
placebo on average, like basically four days faster they've recovered.
So that's really a very significant meaningful benefit as you're
gonna imagine if you can get treated with a drug,
get out of the hospital faster, maybe to avoid going
into the I c U and all the sort of
complications that go around with that, that's a meaningful benefit
(02:55):
for people who are suffering from this terrible disease. And
Dr Faucci has already said there's a cut evidence that
this works, the FDA might approve emergency use of this.
I mean they did that with hydroxy chloroquine before any
real studies had been completed on that. So everybody thinks
that this is going to get fast tracked right away.
Tell us a little bit about how the study was done.
(03:17):
This is a drug that is going to help people
who are in the hospital. It's not gonna cure on
the patients. It's not a cure for COVID nineteen. Well,
we've desperately needed our effective drugs that can help treat
the disease, and so this drug is kind of our
first step in that process. And the reason that people
are feeling really good today is because this study that
was done by the government was a very large studied
(03:39):
head o earth housand patients in it. It was a
placebo controlled studies, so some of the patients were given
from destiny or some of the patients were given placebo.
That is sort of the gold standard, the most rigorously
designed clinical trial. So when we see all the full results,
and we've kind of gotten a snapshot of the results today,
but I think this was len confidence to the fact
that this strike is effect different and the improvement that
(04:01):
they said, because that's what they said that they achieved
its goal of helping to improve the time of recovery.
How did they measure the improvement since everybody's symptoms and
the way they experienced COVID nineteen is a little bit different.
The end point of the main goal of study was
kind of clinical improvement and that they used basically a scale.
Basically every day they assess patients to see their condition,
and there are various different things that they looked at
(04:23):
hospital discharge, they looked at the use of oxygen. There
are various different measures that they used in the study
to assess or too. Sort of great clinical improvement for
round decity air versus with pastebo and randevs of here
a little bit more about that. It's an anti viral
medication that they tried to use it to treat ebola.
The other drug everybody had heard a lot of was
(04:43):
hydroxy chloroquine and that had some side effects that would
hit people's hearts. Did remdesivie have any side effects that
patients were experiencing. We haven't seen all the details yet,
but general from what's been released so far today, the
side effect profile of re desipor looks actually pretty clear.
There haven't been any significant side effect or toxic these
associated with the drug. And like you said, the drug
(05:04):
has been around for a while. One of the reasons
why Giliad, the maker of the drug, was able to
move so quickly into these large clinical trials is because
the drugment has been around for years. It has been
studied in other viral outbreaks. You mentioned people, which is
one of the diseases that I was tested out of
years ago. So the drug had been used in patients previously.
So because of that, they were able to kind of
(05:25):
move pretty quickly into these large clinical trials because they
already had a pretty decent sized safety database so that
they were confident that giving this drug to COVID ninting
patients it wasn't going to harm And what is the
treatment with your look like I had seen some stuff
about five day treatment or ten day treatment. I think
it might have been two different studies that we're looking
at this, But what do they think the treatment course
(05:47):
is going to look like if somebody is being treated
with thesevere That's a good point and I think it's
important because when we think medicines, people often times think
of you can take a pill and you'll feel better.
This is a drug that's given intravenously, so it's going
to be even in the hospital. This is not going
to be used for like every patient who has maybe
even just mild COVID nineteen. This is a drug that
will probably be used for patients to have more moderate
(06:09):
to severe disease in the hospital because it has to
be given overall course of many days by intravenous infusion.
Whether it's given for five days or ten days, that's
been looked at both. There was another study that came
out today that basically showed that whether you give it
for five days or ten days, the outcome is basically
the same. But still it has to be given over
(06:30):
multiple days and it will be given in the hospital.
So this is the first thing that people are really
excited about. I know people got really excited about hydroxy clarquin,
but the studies just weren't done yet. We didn't have
all the information. That's why everybody was urging caution, guys
like Dr Fauci. But this is the first thing that
people are really excited about. I think that the staction
between something like hydroxty clark Land and rum desipere is
(06:52):
that there was a washt use hydroxychloroquine based on anecdotal evidence.
The studies really hadn't been done yet. There were some
reports of maybe patients benefiting, and so the drug was
kind of thrown out there and people were using it.
This is a little bit different in that there have
been these clinical trials that have done so the recommendation
to use this drug, if it is done, would be
based on the scientific data that comes out of these studies.
(07:15):
Adam or your seen reporter at stat News, thank you
very much for joining us. It was pleas for being on.
Thank you. After he made that announcement, UM, I got
with my team. My team has been suffering. Um, they've
(07:35):
been out of work. They're not getting any assistance. Um no,
no unemployment, no stimulus money for for the business, and um.
These are real people with real problems and they have
to put food in their table. Joining us now is
Chloe Sorvino, writer at Forbes. Thanks for joining us, Chloe,
Thank you so much for having me. All eyes right
(07:56):
now are on Georgia, Tennessee, and Alaska. Even as they're
starting to reopen restaurants, it hasn't gone so smoothly just yet.
A lot of people really aren't turning out just yet,
and a lot of restaurants even aren't opening. But there
are a few that are out there that are starting
to get the ball rolling. But I think you note
in your article someone said this is kind of a
dress rehearsal for the rest of the nation. Everybody's looking
(08:17):
to see how they're doing it, to see if it's
the right way, or if they can improve on it,
or god forbid, if some more outbreaks occur, then they
might have to start shutting things down. So Chloe, tell
us a little bit about how it went. Let's start
off in Georgia, how it started going there. I think
some workers are scared still. I think some Georgians are
coming out so to support their restaurants that have been opened.
(08:40):
I've focused much of my reporting on what waffle House
has been doing because they play such an interesting role
in Georgia and Georgia politics. It's this love cult following
diner chain. Twenty four hours has this grouty at night environment,
but it also has this reputation of opening up really
quickly after a crisis or after a disaster, and that
Jansen headquartered there for sixty five years, and the long
(09:03):
time kind of patriarch of the family that owns the team,
was excellently one of the from what I understand, the
only restaurant representative on the twenty person committee that Governor
Ryan Kemp was using to create the guidelines to reopen,
and in expensive interview with me, Joe talked a lot
about how it was so serious he was pushing from
(09:24):
this from March to reopen, and I think you're seeing
that and what's been happening and how this this opening
happened more quickly than some restaurant owners or maybe salon
owners or other business owners in Georgia might have realized.
The governor, I guess set out thirty nine guidelines that
restaurants have to follow. I'm assuming obviously masks and gloves,
things like that. So what are some of these guidelines
(09:46):
The way things are going to be changing for the restaurants.
Salad bars aren't going to really exist in that post
Corona world either world buffet is in Georgia. These guylandes
are being decided to state by state. So in Georgia
they're doing a capita limit by per square foot for
each restaurant, so I believe only ten patrons per five
(10:06):
hundred square feet. In the dining room. There's gonna be
no self service anymore, so you can't pour your own drink.
You can't put your ketchup on your hot dog anymore.
They're going to be encouraging anything even as small as
having silver rolled in a naskin beforehand, not presetting tables.
These are going to be very very specific thing. But
you know, I have to say, there are fair amount
experts to say, you know, these guidelines don't go far
(10:29):
enough and are questioning how safe this will continue to
be in each situation. You mentioned a little bit about
the political part of this, and there was one of
the restaurants there in Georgia, in Atlanta based restaurant called
the Original Hot Dog Factory, who said, you know, they
were going to open up. They wanted to do some
stuff early on, right now, but they got so much
(10:49):
blowback from the community. They were fielding calls from local
officials who said, you're moving a little too fast. So
they actually didn't open up after all. And even early
reports from what's been going on, there's been very very
limited patrons visiting some of these restaurants so far. I've
heard that there's a little bit of backlash if you
are going out right now. I mean, it depends. Laffel
(11:11):
House has told me that you know, their customers are
thrilled to be back and thrilled to be feeling that
taste of home. I also know Awful House obviously is
really located on these key highways. And I'm sure there
are a lot of truckers right now that are bringing
food transporting it across America and these supply chains who
are happy to when they get to Georgia to go
to some of these locations and have some rest. But
(11:31):
I think there are a lot of communities that are
so very concerned. I don't know if this was when
one of the Georgia guidelines, but I think it was
in one of the Alaska guidelines where they said that
a restaurant's going to have to have a log of
every customer's first and last name and contact phone number,
so that you know if they need any contact tracing
or something that has to be done after they have
that information. The Washington Post, i guess, spoke to Hugh Actions,
(11:53):
and you know you've seen him on Top Chef. He's
a big, major story. He has a bunch of restaurants
there in Georgia. You know, he said, I can't have
people I employ and work with the used as sacrificial
lambs and all this. You know, what if somebody gets sick,
So I mean that's just this other part in you know,
as I said, hopefully nothing does happen. But you know,
do these restaurants have a liability in this? You know,
could somebody sue them later on down the line if
(12:15):
they contracted COVID nineteen at their restaurant. From what we've
seen from what's been reopening around Hong Kong, for example,
is exactly that the restaurants that have apps will be
I think may give this transition a little bit easier
moving forward, because so much of this will want to
be seamless. You are going to have to go into
a restaurant when you take your name, no sign a
waiver and give information in case someone in that restaurant
(12:36):
was later found out to be sick with this virus
and you have to be contacted. These are really serious
concerns and I just want to highlight that, you know,
for the workers, this is a really really difficult decision
to have to make. My dealings with level housey that
they help me that their workers are really struggling and
they really want to be coming back to work. But
at the same time, there are a lot of other
folks out there, and a lot of other people I'm
(12:58):
talking to who just aren't an workin serring. I think
you're seeing that across the food system and across for
that manner matter that you know, the front lines in
terms of meat plant workers, other fast food restaurants, delivery services.
Chloe Sorvino, writer at Forbes, thank you very much for
joining us. Thank you so much. There was three videos
(13:25):
in total, one of the Nimits encounter in two thousand
four and two others of a encounter in two fifteen.
They gave the d D official stamp of approval. They
put them on their website, so basically they authorized the
release of these videos. US now is Daniel Oberhouse, writer
at Wired. Thanks for joining us. Daniel, thank you for
(13:45):
having me. We've talked a lot on the podcast about
the Nimits UNFO encounter and the video that has been
released by IT. I think the New York Times releases
video back in We've talked about some of the witnesses
and how they experienced this also, but there's just an update.
There's always something going on specifically with this and for
those that don't remember, this is military footage that shows
(14:08):
this kind of tic TAC shaped UFO flying around and
crazy patterns and whatnot. It's got a lot of traction
over the years. But on Monday, the US Department of
Defense officially released three videos depicting these encounters between the
Navy pilots and this unidentified aerial phenomenon as they call it. Now,
Daniel tell us a little bit about it and what
does this all mean. Now, sure, there's been a lot
(14:29):
of inaccurate information about what actually happened on Monday. So
all that really happened was the Department of Defense took
these videos that we've all seen. There was three videos
in total, one of the Nimits encounter in two thousand
four and two others of a encounter in two thousand fifteen.
They gave the d o D official stamp of approval,
they put them on their website, so basically, they authorized
(14:52):
the release of these videos. What that means is it
doesn't mean they were to be classified. These videos were
never under any sort of national security restrictions or anything like.
It's just the d o D formally releasing these videos
that everyone has already seen. So it's not them saying
aliens exist or anything like. That it's just kind of
a formal process of releasing these videos into the public.
(15:12):
What the Department Offense said also is that they were
never really classified in a sense, they didn't have to
be declassified. It was always kind of an unclassified setting.
And I know there's a lot of nuance to the
different wording at all, but basically they said that whatever
was in these videos never was really something that had
to be top secret classified something like that. There's a
(15:32):
bit of confusion about that because the To the Stars Academy,
this company run by the Blanquin a D two singer
Tom DeLong, they got the videos at the same time
as The New York Times released the videos back in
and they claimed to have all this paperwork showing chain
of custody, that these videos had been approved for release
within the d o D, that they had been declassified,
(15:54):
which as far as I can tell, isn't actually correct.
They haven't shown me the paperwork. I got in contact
with their government lays on yesterday and they doubled down
on what they were saying. But according to the d
d IS released yesterday, these videos were unclassified. And I
followed up with a folks person there who confirmed that
they had never been classified, and so this is really
(16:15):
the first time they've been authorized for release. So whatever
happened in the d considers an unauthorized leak of these videos.
So it is a big deal in the sense that
the d D is finally saying, hey, you can have
these videos now, even though we already did. What I
did think was interesting, though, is that the d D
official who I spoke with said that these videos, although
they themselves are not classified, they were used in classified investigations.
(16:41):
I know that they put out a statement, but have
they released without comments so to speak, in the sense
that they just don't say what it is. Obviously we've
heard the descriptions of it, the tic tac shaped thing
flying around doing these crazy maneuvers that nothing else can do.
And I guess even there's some audio of the pilots
or whoever is watching the video going whoa, this is crazy,
(17:01):
you know, with some expletives in there and all. But
do they just basically just say, hey, we're giving you
the video and we're really not saying much else. The
official line as of Monday is that this object is unidentified.
They say they don't know what it is. Depending on
your level of skepticism. Maybe you believe it, maybe you don't,
But as of right now, no one actually knows what's
in this video. It is still very much mystery. So
(17:22):
just kind of bottom line this whole thing for us,
because this has been out there for a long time,
and obviously if your believer in aliens and UFOs things
like that, this is just more fuel for you. But
where do we land on this because we've talked about
this for so much now, I think the bottom line
is that this is still very much an open question
as to what we're seeing. There's obviously a lot of
(17:42):
speculation that this might be extraterrestrial craft, that it could
be advanced for an aircraft, or it could just be
something as mundane as a radar normally, so it's still
up for debate. As of right now, there's really no
new information. This release was kind of a government doing
government stuff, giving its official approval. So hopefully I think
(18:03):
the bottom line is that this will hopefully inspire more
people to take interest in this and maybe treat it
a little bit more seriously. There's no longer a question
of whether or not these videos are authentic, and hopefully
it leads to more disclosure of unidentified aerial phenomena in
the future. The videos are short, but it is fun
to hear the reactions from the Navy pilots whoever's on
(18:24):
that audio right there, kind of they're surprise to what's
going on. I mean, these are guys that I've gone
through all the training. They're obviously at high levels if
they're flying these planes and following these things, and even
beyond that, the operators behind the scenes even they're really
shocked about what they're seeing. So I mean, that's another
kind of fun element to these videos. I totally agree,
and hearing them express such surprise at this. There was
(18:45):
follow ups by The New York Times. One of the
pilots went on record saying that they saw one of
these things with their own eyes. You know, I will
add the caveat that. I've had the opportunity to speak
with flight surgeons who have spent a lot of time
in military aircraft, these really high performance jets, and based
on my conversations with them, it's not that uncommon for
pilots to have hallucinations, which is a little bit scary
(19:07):
in itself, but just because of you know, you're going
so fast, you don't have great peripheral vision. Pilots see
things that they can't explain all the time. I fear
of the extraterrestrial exists mindset. You might say that they're
just more likely to see them because they're up in
the air, but there's a lot of other factors that
come into play in terms of our pilots deal with
strange things going on with their vision. Daniel ober House,
(19:29):
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It's Thursday a I'm oscar ramiros in Los Angeles and
this is the daily dive. A government run study of
Gill Lead Sciences anti viral drug from Dezevie has shown
that the medicine is an effective treatment for COVID nineteen.
The study achieved its primary goal, which was to improve
(00:21):
time to recovery, which was reduced by four days for
those on the drug. Adam foyer Stein, reporter at stat News,
joins us for more and m Dezevie, which is expected
to get emergency approval by the FDA next. Restaurants in Georgia, Tennessee,
and Anchored Alaska have begun to reopen, and all eyes
will be on them to see how the rollout goes.
(00:41):
In Georgia, the state government has issued thirty nine guidelines
that restaurants must follow, including wearing face masks, screening employees
and patrons for signs of illness, and even sign in
sheets if the info is needed later for contact racing.
Chloe Sorvino, writer at Forbes, joins US for how some
restaurants are beginning to open their doors. Finally, the U.
S Department of Defense has officially released three videos depicting
(01:04):
encounters that Navy pilots had with UFOs. These videos had
already previously been released by the New York Times, but
now the Pentagon is officially recognizing that the unclassified videos
are real, though they do not come in what is seen.
Daniel Oberhaus, writer at Wired, joins us for more. It's
news without the noise. Let's dive in. The data shows
(01:29):
that rundi via has a clear cut, significant positive effect
in diminishing the time to recovery. Joining us now is
Adam Fogerstein, reporter at stat News. Thanks for joining us. Adam, Hey,
it's good to be here. Thank you. I wanted to
talk about some updates with regards to treating COVID nineteen,
(01:49):
the coronavirus. There was a government run study of Gilelead
Sciences rim Desiviere, which has shown some promising things with
regards to treatment of COVID nineteen. It shows of the
medicine is effective and it really helps people get out
of the hospital quicker when being treated with this. Adam
tell us a little bit about what we know from
this study. It was a pretty monumental day for COVID
(02:12):
nineteen n for this drugram descivere today. Like you said,
this was a government run study. The study was actually
run by the agency that is overseen by Tony Feruchi,
so his agency ran this very large clinical trial. There
was a polacepo control which basically was looking at saying
roun desseivere to treat COVID nineteen patients who were in
the hospital. And as you said, the study was positive,
and it found essentially that patients who took ram desivere
(02:35):
recovered faster than similar patients who were treated with a
placebo on average, like basically four days faster they've recovered.
So that's really a very significant meaningful benefit as you're
gonna imagine if you can get treated with a drug,
get out of the hospital faster, maybe to avoid going
into the I c U and all the sort of
complications that go around with that, that's a meaningful benefit
(02:55):
for people who are suffering from this terrible disease. And
Dr Faucci has already said there's a cut evidence that
this works, the FDA might approve emergency use of this.
I mean they did that with hydroxy chloroquine before any
real studies had been completed on that. So everybody thinks
that this is going to get fast tracked right away.
Tell us a little bit about how the study was done.
(03:17):
This is a drug that is going to help people
who are in the hospital. It's not gonna cure on
the patients. It's not a cure for COVID nineteen. Well,
we've desperately needed our effective drugs that can help treat
the disease, and so this drug is kind of our
first step in that process. And the reason that people
are feeling really good today is because this study that
was done by the government was a very large studied
(03:39):
head o earth housand patients in it. It was a
placebo controlled studies, so some of the patients were given
from destiny or some of the patients were given placebo.
That is sort of the gold standard, the most rigorously
designed clinical trial. So when we see all the full results,
and we've kind of gotten a snapshot of the results today,
but I think this was len confidence to the fact
that this strike is effect different and the improvement that
(04:01):
they said, because that's what they said that they achieved
its goal of helping to improve the time of recovery.
How did they measure the improvement since everybody's symptoms and
the way they experienced COVID nineteen is a little bit different.
The end point of the main goal of study was
kind of clinical improvement and that they used basically a scale.
Basically every day they assess patients to see their condition,
and there are various different things that they looked at
(04:23):
hospital discharge, they looked at the use of oxygen. There
are various different measures that they used in the study
to assess or too. Sort of great clinical improvement for
round decity air versus with pastebo and randevs of here
a little bit more about that. It's an anti viral
medication that they tried to use it to treat ebola.
The other drug everybody had heard a lot of was
(04:43):
hydroxy chloroquine and that had some side effects that would
hit people's hearts. Did remdesivie have any side effects that
patients were experiencing. We haven't seen all the details yet,
but general from what's been released so far today, the
side effect profile of re desipor looks actually pretty clear.
There haven't been any significant side effect or toxic these
associated with the drug. And like you said, the drug
(05:04):
has been around for a while. One of the reasons
why Giliad, the maker of the drug, was able to
move so quickly into these large clinical trials is because
the drugment has been around for years. It has been
studied in other viral outbreaks. You mentioned people, which is
one of the diseases that I was tested out of
years ago. So the drug had been used in patients previously.
So because of that, they were able to kind of
(05:25):
move pretty quickly into these large clinical trials because they
already had a pretty decent sized safety database so that
they were confident that giving this drug to COVID ninting
patients it wasn't going to harm And what is the
treatment with your look like I had seen some stuff
about five day treatment or ten day treatment. I think
it might have been two different studies that we're looking
at this, But what do they think the treatment course
(05:47):
is going to look like if somebody is being treated
with thesevere That's a good point and I think it's
important because when we think medicines, people often times think
of you can take a pill and you'll feel better.
This is a drug that's given intravenously, so it's going
to be even in the hospital. This is not going
to be used for like every patient who has maybe
even just mild COVID nineteen. This is a drug that
will probably be used for patients to have more moderate
(06:09):
to severe disease in the hospital because it has to
be given overall course of many days by intravenous infusion.
Whether it's given for five days or ten days, that's
been looked at both. There was another study that came
out today that basically showed that whether you give it
for five days or ten days, the outcome is basically
the same. But still it has to be given over
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multiple days and it will be given in the hospital.
So this is the first thing that people are really
excited about. I know people got really excited about hydroxy clarquin,
but the studies just weren't done yet. We didn't have
all the information. That's why everybody was urging caution, guys
like Dr Fauci. But this is the first thing that
people are really excited about. I think that the staction
between something like hydroxty clark Land and rum desipere is
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that there was a washt use hydroxychloroquine based on anecdotal evidence.
The studies really hadn't been done yet. There were some
reports of maybe patients benefiting, and so the drug was
kind of thrown out there and people were using it.
This is a little bit different in that there have
been these clinical trials that have done so the recommendation
to use this drug, if it is done, would be
based on the scientific data that comes out of these studies.
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Adam or your seen reporter at stat News, thank you
very much for joining us. It was pleas for being on.
Thank you. After he made that announcement, UM, I got
with my team. My team has been suffering. Um, they've
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been out of work. They're not getting any assistance. Um no,
no unemployment, no stimulus money for for the business, and um.
These are real people with real problems and they have
to put food in their table. Joining us now is
Chloe Sorvino, writer at Forbes. Thanks for joining us, Chloe,
Thank you so much for having me. All eyes right
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now are on Georgia, Tennessee, and Alaska. Even as they're
starting to reopen restaurants, it hasn't gone so smoothly just yet.
A lot of people really aren't turning out just yet,
and a lot of restaurants even aren't opening. But there
are a few that are out there that are starting
to get the ball rolling. But I think you note
in your article someone said this is kind of a
dress rehearsal for the rest of the nation. Everybody's looking
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to see how they're doing it, to see if it's
the right way, or if they can improve on it,
or god forbid, if some more outbreaks occur, then they
might have to start shutting things down. So Chloe, tell
us a little bit about how it went. Let's start
off in Georgia, how it started going there. I think
some workers are scared still. I think some Georgians are
coming out so to support their restaurants that have been opened.
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I've focused much of my reporting on what waffle House
has been doing because they play such an interesting role
in Georgia and Georgia politics. It's this love cult following
diner chain. Twenty four hours has this grouty at night environment,
but it also has this reputation of opening up really
quickly after a crisis or after a disaster, and that
Jansen headquartered there for sixty five years, and the long
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time kind of patriarch of the family that owns the team,
was excellently one of the from what I understand, the
only restaurant representative on the twenty person committee that Governor
Ryan Kemp was using to create the guidelines to reopen,
and in expensive interview with me, Joe talked a lot
about how it was so serious he was pushing from
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this from March to reopen, and I think you're seeing
that and what's been happening and how this this opening
happened more quickly than some restaurant owners or maybe salon
owners or other business owners in Georgia might have realized.
The governor, I guess set out thirty nine guidelines that
restaurants have to follow. I'm assuming obviously masks and gloves,
things like that. So what are some of these guidelines
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The way things are going to be changing for the restaurants.
Salad bars aren't going to really exist in that post
Corona world either world buffet is in Georgia. These guylandes
are being decided to state by state. So in Georgia
they're doing a capita limit by per square foot for
each restaurant, so I believe only ten patrons per five
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hundred square feet. In the dining room. There's gonna be
no self service anymore, so you can't pour your own drink.
You can't put your ketchup on your hot dog anymore.
They're going to be encouraging anything even as small as
having silver rolled in a naskin beforehand, not presetting tables.
These are going to be very very specific thing. But
you know, I have to say, there are fair amount
experts to say, you know, these guidelines don't go far
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enough and are questioning how safe this will continue to
be in each situation. You mentioned a little bit about
the political part of this, and there was one of
the restaurants there in Georgia, in Atlanta based restaurant called
the Original Hot Dog Factory, who said, you know, they
were going to open up. They wanted to do some
stuff early on, right now, but they got so much
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blowback from the community. They were fielding calls from local
officials who said, you're moving a little too fast. So
they actually didn't open up after all. And even early
reports from what's been going on, there's been very very
limited patrons visiting some of these restaurants so far. I've
heard that there's a little bit of backlash if you
are going out right now. I mean, it depends. Laffel
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House has told me that you know, their customers are
thrilled to be back and thrilled to be feeling that
taste of home. I also know Awful House obviously is
really located on these key highways. And I'm sure there
are a lot of truckers right now that are bringing
food transporting it across America and these supply chains who
are happy to when they get to Georgia to go
to some of these locations and have some rest. But
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I think there are a lot of communities that are
so very concerned. I don't know if this was when
one of the Georgia guidelines, but I think it was
in one of the Alaska guidelines where they said that
a restaurant's going to have to have a log of
every customer's first and last name and contact phone number,
so that you know if they need any contact tracing
or something that has to be done after they have
that information. The Washington Post, i guess, spoke to Hugh Actions,
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and you know you've seen him on Top Chef. He's
a big, major story. He has a bunch of restaurants
there in Georgia. You know, he said, I can't have
people I employ and work with the used as sacrificial
lambs and all this. You know, what if somebody gets sick,
So I mean that's just this other part in you know,
as I said, hopefully nothing does happen. But you know,
do these restaurants have a liability in this? You know,
could somebody sue them later on down the line if
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they contracted COVID nineteen at their restaurant. From what we've
seen from what's been reopening around Hong Kong, for example,
is exactly that the restaurants that have apps will be
I think may give this transition a little bit easier
moving forward, because so much of this will want to
be seamless. You are going to have to go into
a restaurant when you take your name, no sign a
waiver and give information in case someone in that restaurant
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was later found out to be sick with this virus
and you have to be contacted. These are really serious
concerns and I just want to highlight that, you know,
for the workers, this is a really really difficult decision
to have to make. My dealings with level housey that
they help me that their workers are really struggling and
they really want to be coming back to work. But
at the same time, there are a lot of other
folks out there, and a lot of other people I'm
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talking to who just aren't an workin serring. I think
you're seeing that across the food system and across for
that manner matter that you know, the front lines in
terms of meat plant workers, other fast food restaurants, delivery services.
Chloe Sorvino, writer at Forbes, thank you very much for
joining us. Thank you so much. There was three videos
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in total, one of the Nimits encounter in two thousand
four and two others of a encounter in two fifteen.
They gave the d D official stamp of approval. They
put them on their website, so basically they authorized the
release of these videos. US now is Daniel Oberhouse, writer
at Wired. Thanks for joining us. Daniel, thank you for
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having me. We've talked a lot on the podcast about
the Nimits UNFO encounter and the video that has been
released by IT. I think the New York Times releases
video back in We've talked about some of the witnesses
and how they experienced this also, but there's just an update.
There's always something going on specifically with this and for
those that don't remember, this is military footage that shows
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this kind of tic TAC shaped UFO flying around and
crazy patterns and whatnot. It's got a lot of traction
over the years. But on Monday, the US Department of
Defense officially released three videos depicting these encounters between the
Navy pilots and this unidentified aerial phenomenon as they call it. Now,
Daniel tell us a little bit about it and what
does this all mean. Now, sure, there's been a lot
(14:29):
of inaccurate information about what actually happened on Monday. So
all that really happened was the Department of Defense took
these videos that we've all seen. There was three videos
in total, one of the Nimits encounter in two thousand
four and two others of a encounter in two thousand fifteen.
They gave the d o D official stamp of approval,
they put them on their website, so basically, they authorized
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the release of these videos. What that means is it
doesn't mean they were to be classified. These videos were
never under any sort of national security restrictions or anything like.
It's just the d o D formally releasing these videos
that everyone has already seen. So it's not them saying
aliens exist or anything like. That it's just kind of
a formal process of releasing these videos into the public.
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What the Department Offense said also is that they were
never really classified in a sense, they didn't have to
be declassified. It was always kind of an unclassified setting.
And I know there's a lot of nuance to the
different wording at all, but basically they said that whatever
was in these videos never was really something that had
to be top secret classified something like that. There's a
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bit of confusion about that because the To the Stars Academy,
this company run by the Blanquin a D two singer
Tom DeLong, they got the videos at the same time
as The New York Times released the videos back in
and they claimed to have all this paperwork showing chain
of custody, that these videos had been approved for release
within the d o D, that they had been declassified,
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which as far as I can tell, isn't actually correct.
They haven't shown me the paperwork. I got in contact
with their government lays on yesterday and they doubled down
on what they were saying. But according to the d
d IS released yesterday, these videos were unclassified. And I
followed up with a folks person there who confirmed that
they had never been classified, and so this is really
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the first time they've been authorized for release. So whatever
happened in the d considers an unauthorized leak of these videos.
So it is a big deal in the sense that
the d D is finally saying, hey, you can have
these videos now, even though we already did. What I
did think was interesting, though, is that the d D
official who I spoke with said that these videos, although
they themselves are not classified, they were used in classified investigations.
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I know that they put out a statement, but have
they released without comments so to speak, in the sense
that they just don't say what it is. Obviously we've
heard the descriptions of it, the tic tac shaped thing
flying around doing these crazy maneuvers that nothing else can do.
And I guess even there's some audio of the pilots
or whoever is watching the video going whoa, this is crazy,
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you know, with some expletives in there and all. But
do they just basically just say, hey, we're giving you
the video and we're really not saying much else. The
official line as of Monday is that this object is unidentified.
They say they don't know what it is. Depending on
your level of skepticism. Maybe you believe it, maybe you don't,
But as of right now, no one actually knows what's
in this video. It is still very much mystery. So
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just kind of bottom line this whole thing for us,
because this has been out there for a long time,
and obviously if your believer in aliens and UFOs things
like that, this is just more fuel for you. But
where do we land on this because we've talked about
this for so much now, I think the bottom line
is that this is still very much an open question
as to what we're seeing. There's obviously a lot of
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speculation that this might be extraterrestrial craft, that it could
be advanced for an aircraft, or it could just be
something as mundane as a radar normally, so it's still
up for debate. As of right now, there's really no
new information. This release was kind of a government doing
government stuff, giving its official approval. So hopefully I think
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the bottom line is that this will hopefully inspire more
people to take interest in this and maybe treat it
a little bit more seriously. There's no longer a question
of whether or not these videos are authentic, and hopefully
it leads to more disclosure of unidentified aerial phenomena in
the future. The videos are short, but it is fun
to hear the reactions from the Navy pilots whoever's on
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that audio right there, kind of they're surprise to what's
going on. I mean, these are guys that I've gone
through all the training. They're obviously at high levels if
they're flying these planes and following these things, and even
beyond that, the operators behind the scenes even they're really
shocked about what they're seeing. So I mean, that's another
kind of fun element to these videos. I totally agree,
and hearing them express such surprise at this. There was
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follow ups by The New York Times. One of the
pilots went on record saying that they saw one of
these things with their own eyes. You know, I will
add the caveat that. I've had the opportunity to speak
with flight surgeons who have spent a lot of time
in military aircraft, these really high performance jets, and based
on my conversations with them, it's not that uncommon for
pilots to have hallucinations, which is a little bit scary
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in itself, but just because of you know, you're going
so fast, you don't have great peripheral vision. Pilots see
things that they can't explain all the time. I fear
of the extraterrestrial exists mindset. You might say that they're
just more likely to see them because they're up in
the air, but there's a lot of other factors that
come into play in terms of our pilots deal with
strange things going on with their vision. Daniel ober House,
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writer at Wired, Thank you very much for joining us.
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