The Biden administration has directed federal resources and FEMA to affected areas after devastating tornadoes hit six states in the South and Midwest, hitting Kentucky especially hard. As many as 30 tornadoes wreaked havoc over Friday night. Ginger Gibson, deputy Washington digital editor at NBC News, joins us for the response, tensions rising with Russia, and Chris Wallace moves to CNN+.
Next, months of pandemic learning and then switching back to in-person instruction has left many students without the social maturity needed to advance to the next grade. As a result schools are having to deal with a wave of misbehavior with minor incidents but also major things like fights and gun possession. Ben Chapman, national education reporter at the WSJ, joins us for how schools are responding... more counseling, increased patrols and fewer suspensions.
Finally, we have been seeing a lot of action with the 'Great Resignation' as people quit their jobs for better opportunities. But people aren't just leaving, they're broadcasting it to social media and finding a community with others who have done the same. Traditionally career coaches wouldn't recommend speaking ill of former employers online, but all the rules have changed. Emma Goldberg, reporter at the NY Times, joins us for more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Monday, December. I'm Oscar Romeiras in Los Angeles and
this is the daily Dive. The Biden administration has directed
federal resources in FEMA to affect the areas after devastating
tornadoes hit six states in the South and Midwest, hitting
Kentucky especially hard. As many as thirty tornadoes reaked havoc
(00:23):
over Friday night. Ginger Gibson, Deputy Washington Digital editor at
NBC News, joins US for the response tensions rising with
Russia and Chris Wallace moves to CNN plus next. Months
of pandemic learning and then switching back to in person
instruction has left many students without the social maturity needed
to advance to the next grade. As a result, schools
(00:45):
are happy to deal with the wave of misbehavior of
minor incidents, but also major things like fights and gun possession.
Ben Chapman, national education reporter at The Wall Street Journal,
joins US for how schools are responding more counseling, increased patrols,
and fewer suspensions. Finally, we've been seeing a lot of
action with the Great resignation as people quit their jobs
(01:06):
for better opportunities. But people aren't just leaving their broadcasting
it to social media and finding a community with others
who have done the same. Traditionally, career coaches wouldn't recommend
speaking ill of former employers online, but all the rules
have changed. Emma Goldberg, reporter at The New York Times,
joined us for more. It's news without the noise. Let's
(01:26):
dive in. What I'm working with the governor of Kentucky
and others who may want me to be there is
I may make sure that we are value added at
the time and we're not going to get in the
way of the rescuing recovery. Joining us now is Ginger Gibson,
Deputy Washington Digital editor at NBC News. Thanks for joining us, Ginger,
(01:46):
thanks having me well. We saw some devastating tornadoes hit
late Friday in about six states in the south and Midwest.
Kentucky looks to have gotten the worst of it. I
guess they said there was thirty tornadoes across our saw Illinois, Kentucky, Missouri, Mississippi,
and Tennessee. About eighty people they say are probably dead.
They're still searching for survivors in the rubble. I mean,
(02:09):
some of these pictures are are pretty remarkable, just whole
swaths of areas just flattened out and completely gone. Now
President Biden has directed federal resources to be directed to
these affected areas, and and FEMALE obviously has been mobilized
already for your listeners not from that part of the country.
Winter storms that bring tornadoes this time of year, in
(02:30):
further into the winter um tend to be devastating. With
this really remarkable and historic and the level of devastation
we saw tornadoes that stretched for miles and miles are
very large tornadoes that left as you describe, these destructive
paths behind them, leveling whole parts of towns and really
(02:50):
just a horrific death tole um and and magnitudes that
we don't normally see what these types of storms. So
that region of the country very hard hit on Friday
night when President Biden offered his condolences to the families
and remarks this weekend, and you're right, mobilized. FEMA, the
federal government, our emergency response declared a disaster in the region,
(03:12):
and that means that more money will flow to those areas.
And really, you know, does what Biden does best, offered
the sympathy that he could uh to the people who
lost their loved ones. I mean, the devastation is just
it's hard to look at. And you know, to your point, right, Um,
the cold weather in December. You know, there are some
big weather actions like this, but not usually to this extent.
(03:33):
That's why a lot of people were shocked at how
how bad it turned out. You know, it was in
the middle of the night. Um, My dad was in Nashville.
He said that the sirens heard going off at three
o'clock in the morning. That doesn't allow the same type
of communication in response for people to have to get
to safety. And so in the middle of the night,
awoken by the sirens. People really suffered these great losses
(03:54):
in an in a storm that was much stronger than
they expected it to be. Let's talk a little bit
about Russia, because tensions keep escalating with them as they
build up more troops near the Ukraine border. I think
the last time I saw, they said maybe about ninety
troops are in that area. And according to the Kremlin,
President Biden and Vladimir Putin have said that they agreed
to hold more talks. Putin says he would like to
(04:15):
see some in person meeting. President Biden already has responded saying,
you know, we're going to respond with strong economic measures,
other measures. Secretary of Saint Anthony B. Lincoln was on
meet the Press on Sunday and he said, you know,
we might do things that we haven't done before. UM.
So they're trying to put the pressure on Putin. That's right.
Russia has um really escalated along the Ukrainian border. Folks
(04:39):
will remember that UM several years ago they invaded Crimea,
which was a region in the Ukraine, and took control
of that portion. There was international backlash to that, a
lot of criticism from UM other nations. The Russia was
cut out of the G seven than that was that
you hate before then, and a lot of things done
(04:59):
to a voice an opposition to that. But it's kind
of been allowed to remain all of these years, and
now we see the Russians really escalating again towards Ukraine.
And Ukraine is a large nation on the Russian border.
The Russians have tried to exert a lot of influence
and the west, the US and our European allies have
also tried to UM exert influence there. We've told Ukraine
(05:22):
they can join NATO at some point. UM and that's
really part of the reason that Putin is so mad
about it. He doesn't want US military installations or US
backed military installations going into the Ukraine. UM, and that's
why he's doing this. And we see a real propaganda
machine working in Russia right now, trying to make the
Russian people believe that it's the Ukrainians who are the
(05:45):
aggressors here UM, and that Russian action is in response
to that, that it's US backed efforts to make Russia
less safe. UM. And we really see um an escalating tension.
And you mentioned these talks, UM, but right now we
really haven't seen any signs of de escalation that would
make us think that this couldn't get worse before it
(06:05):
gets better. I wanted to move on before we end
here to some media news. Chris Wallace, the longtime Fox
News anchor, will be leaving. He's gonna be going to,
of all places, CNN, their new streaming platform, CNN Plus.
He's been with Fox News for about eighteen years. He
said he's ready to try something new, go beyond politics.
And we all know the reputation that Fox News has,
(06:27):
But Chris Wallace has always received good marks as a
journalist a tough interview presidential moderator. Um, so it's gonna
be interesting to see the move that he makes. Now, Yeah,
I mean, Chris Wallace is really one of the best
interviewers on Sunday morning news shows. Um. He's wonderful to watch.
He's very great at asking the right questions and getting
(06:47):
his targets his interviewees to really lay out what he
wants them to and so it is an interesting move
for him. He has been critical of Fox in some
of the direction that Fox has taken at times, felt
that they were not serving as an independent news organization.
So the move to CNN, which is trying to bulk
up its streaming platform as are we and everyone else. Um,
(07:10):
so this is a big move by them to get
someone who's really respected on on their their streaming waves.
Ginger Gibson, Deputy Washington Digital editor at NBC News, Thank
you very much for joining us. Thanks for having me.
(07:33):
Many many schools are reporting rises in both minor incidents
like students talking in class, are talking back to the teacher,
or more serious problems such as fights or weapons possession.
Joining us now is Ben Chapman, National education reporter at
The Wall Street journal. Thanks for joining us, Ben, thank
you for having me. I want to talk about an
(07:54):
interesting thing that's going on in a lot of schools
right now. A lot of schools are kind of dealing
with this wave of student misbehavior, and a lot of
them are pointing to these closures that happened during the pandemic.
I think somebody put it really well that a lot
of the kind of the social aspects of it, the
social maturity is not there. And and it's so crazy
(08:16):
to think because these normal school years right have been
affected almost three years now, right, it's three years back
that there was a full normal school years. So kids
are two years later, three years later in another grade now,
and they're missing some of that social maturity. And we're
seeing a rise in minor issues. We're seeing a rise
in serious issues. It's all over the place, really, So Ben,
(08:37):
tell us some more about it. That's correct. Basically, schools
around the country, in big cities and small cities, in
rich areas and disadvantage areas, in schools that have problems
before and schools that didn't have problems, sort of across
the board. Many many schools are reporting rises in both
(08:58):
minor incidents like student is talking in class or talking
back to the teacher, or more serious problems such as
fights or weapons possession. So it's a widespread issue. And
you know, anybody who's a parent or a teacher, who's
who's listening right now, probably knows what we're talking about.
Tell me a little bit about Southwood High School and Streeport.
(09:20):
They had over a series of three days. I guess
there was a bunch of different fights. One big brawl
in particular ended up leading to twenty three students being
arrested and expelled. That's correct. There were three subsequent days
of fighting at the school in September, about a month
back into the school year, and that's correct. There are
(09:42):
almost two dozen students expelled and arrested in these fights.
And I spoke with the principle at the school, and
students at the school and teachers, and they all told
me the same thing, which was that students were not
prepared to come back to school, particularly there were a
lot of underclassmen involved in these fights. And these were
(10:05):
students who had gone straight from middle school before the
pandemic hit to being thrust into a totally different environment
in high school. And basically the school struggled to deal
with it. And you know, when I talked to people
about the causes behind this, when I talked to students
and administrators, you know, it was disruption in kids lives,
(10:30):
job loss, sickness in the family, death of loved ones,
isolation from friends, moving from place to place. So it's
sort of a laundry list of the sort of traumatic
things that a young person could experience. So what are
schools doing in response to this. Obviously, they're increasing patrols
(10:52):
from security guards, things like that. They're hiring more counselors.
Some places are reducing or eliminating suspendens and opting for
more counseling. So there's a range of ways that they're
trying to fight this. Yeah, that's correct, And I think
the sort of big picture take on it is that
there's an emphasis on mental health that is new and basically,
(11:17):
you know, schools have been forced to reckon with mental
health issues that students are bringing back to school, and
so they have a variety of different tactics to try
and address this, and that could range from more counseling
to uh mindfulness lessons for elementary school students. They're doing
(11:38):
that in Dallas two lessons to teach kids how to socialize,
things like just having kids discussed with each other what
they did over the weekend to try and rebuild relationships.
So it really runs the gamut. And in some places
part of the approaches also to particularly in Dallas was
one place that I focused on where they were doing
(11:58):
this and they you know, eliminating suspensions and an idea
of like not punishing kids as much as trying to
support them or provide them with new tools so that
they could sort of address the problems that they were
having in school. Are they finding success with that at least?
Are they turning certain kids around with a more counseling
(12:19):
aspect of it. You know, I talked to kids and
you know, teachers and you know parents, and it sounds
like they are, you know, anecdotally, it's early in the game.
So there isn't a lot of data yet to either,
you know, there isn't a lot of big picture data
that like really gives us a full understanding of the
(12:41):
scope of what's going on. But there also isn't a
lot of data yet to tell us whether or not
things are working. But anecdotally, you know, I'm hearing that
these types of approaches are proving to be, you know,
at least somewhat effective. Then Chapman National Education or Border
at the Wall Street Journal, thank you very much for
(13:02):
joining us. Thanks so much for having me. You guys,
I'm going to quit right now. It's hard for me
because I love this job and I worked you for
a year and I actually like it. But the managers
do you want to being really mean to me and
(13:22):
I still have the mop and speak, so I'm not
going to just quit and leave it for them to clean.
Do they feel bad? So I'm going to hop out
the window when I'm done. Joining us now is Emma Goldberg,
reporter at the New York Times. Thanks for joining us, Emma,
thanks for having me on. You know, throughout the pandemic
and the latter half, we've been talking about the great resignation.
You know, a lot of people leaving their jobs, moving on,
(13:44):
hopefully too bigger and better things. But what we're seeing
in a lot of cases is these big public displays
of these resignations, people broadcasting that they quit, you know,
going out on social media and you know, letting everybody know,
or you know, even videos of how they did it.
Different things like that. I know career coaches probably don't
feel the best about those tactics, but you know, all
(14:05):
the rules have kind of changed. So Emma, tell us
a little bit about it. It's a great question. So
I think, as you mentioned, more and more people are
starting to pick up on the fact that people are
leaving their jobs. So the quitting rate, which is the
percentage of workers who are voluntarily leaving their jobs, reached
three this fall, which is really high. There was one
(14:25):
and fourteen hospitality workers, for example, quit their job in August.
But I think what's notable about this moment is that
it's not just at the quitting rate is high. It's
also really visible because people are blasting it on social
media when they leave their jobs. That's not necessarily a
lot of what career coaches would probably want or really
wasn't what was happening. A lot you never wanted to
(14:46):
disparage the company that you left or a former boss
or something, only because you know it might look bad
for the next employer somebody. Especially now with social media, right,
a lot of employers go back and check those feeds,
you know, if there's kind of signs of troublemaking or
anything like that you know, they might want to steer
away from hiring you. That's exactly right. Some of the
(15:06):
career coaches that I spoke with are pretty weary about
this trend because they noted that, first of all, the
labor shortage is not gonna last forever. At some point,
jobs are going to be in higher demands than workers.
And the other is who that Regardless of whether workers
are in demand or not, bosses and hiring managers are
(15:26):
still most likely searching people on social media before hiring them,
and they're often going to be a little bit skeptical
if they saw that person posting about a former employer
or a former boss. Yeah, but for them, for the
employers you mentioned also to you know that it's this
tough balance, right do I hire a dicey person maybe,
(15:47):
or do I risk the burnout of others in the company.
And that's a key thing, right, because these staffing shortages
obviously put more pressure on the remaining employees. If we
keep that shortage and we keep that pressure up on
everybody else, is the burnout worse rather than hiring somebody
who might have post something on social media. That's exactly right.
It's a tough kind of between a rock and a
(16:08):
hard space for employers. But some of the experts that
I spoke with said that at the end of the
day right now, what they're most worried about is the
staff and shortages that are going to lead to burnout
among their employees, and so sometimes they're willing to go
for those slightly dicier hires, even if it's someone who,
let's say, posted a TikTok ranting about a former employer
(16:28):
or former boss or the piece you profiled Gabby Ianello,
she left her real estate job. I think she posted
something to TikTok so her followers could see how did
her story go? Yeah, Gabby Um is a really fun
voice in this piece, and she's someone who was working
this really corporate job. She was waking up every morning
(16:50):
before five am and been going on this commute to
the office where she didn't always necessarily feel like she
was getting the fulfillment and the meaning and the benefit
that she wanted. So February of the pandemics, we quit
her job. She had about ten thousand dollars in savings,
and then she posted a kicktok about it um what
I'm calling a quit talk, where she talked about why
(17:11):
she decided to quit, and it really resonated with followers,
and she ended up starting a podcast called Corporate Quitter
that's kind of cheerleading other people who are quitting their
jobs as well. Did she get another job or is
the podcast the only thing she does right now? Because
the only reason why I asked that is, like, you know,
then there was no danger really in posting that TikTok
if she changed career. Course, you know, she's making money elsewhere,
(17:34):
so it would be interesting to see that part of it.
I think you're pointing to something really important, which is,
on the one hand, right now you have you have
career coaches kind of urging people to make snavvy choices,
but then you have workers who are saying that over
the past year and a half, they've kind of questioned
their values, they've questioned what they want out of their
work and out of their working days, and they've decided
(17:56):
that they don't want to go back to corporate life.
So if they're post seeing something that kind of slams
shut the door behind them, they're not mad about that,
And they're saying they've realized that they really want more
agency and ownership over their careers and in a lot
of cases that means creative pursuits where it's actually to
your benefit to build a brand by PC and even
(18:16):
about quitting on social media, and to your point, you know,
they post the stuff. People are, you know, maybe tuning
out some of the career coach guidance, you know, the
things in that area, and they're finding a community on
social media. They're finding guidance on social media from other
people how they didn't and what they're doing next. And
you know people take those cues and and use that
(18:37):
advice as well. Yeah, that's exactly right. People are giving
one another advice about how to quit. I spoke with
a young woman named g G. Gonzalez who left her
investment management role, and she actually uses her TikTok in
part to kind of give people advice about how they
can make similar moves to what she did. And I
think what's an important point is that for all of
these people who I ended up speaking with for the
(18:58):
piece um, the post they make about quitting are actually
a really important part for them of building their brands
and allowing them to do the kind of creative work
that they wanted to. So it's sort of expanding their
audience and building and amplifying the platform that they have
to talk to people, and they're you know, they're owning
what it means to be a quitter. To them, being
a quitter is cool. Emma Goldberg, reporter at The New
(19:21):
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It's Monday, December. I'm Oscar Romeiras in Los Angeles and
this is the daily Dive. The Biden administration has directed
federal resources in FEMA to affect the areas after devastating
tornadoes hit six states in the South and Midwest, hitting
Kentucky especially hard. As many as thirty tornadoes reaked havoc
(00:23):
over Friday night. Ginger Gibson, Deputy Washington Digital editor at
NBC News, joins US for the response tensions rising with
Russia and Chris Wallace moves to CNN plus next. Months
of pandemic learning and then switching back to in person
instruction has left many students without the social maturity needed
to advance to the next grade. As a result, schools
(00:45):
are happy to deal with the wave of misbehavior of
minor incidents, but also major things like fights and gun possession.
Ben Chapman, national education reporter at The Wall Street Journal,
joins US for how schools are responding more counseling, increased patrols,
and fewer suspensions. Finally, we've been seeing a lot of
action with the Great resignation as people quit their jobs
(01:06):
for better opportunities. But people aren't just leaving their broadcasting
it to social media and finding a community with others
who have done the same. Traditionally, career coaches wouldn't recommend
speaking ill of former employers online, but all the rules
have changed. Emma Goldberg, reporter at The New York Times,
joined us for more. It's news without the noise. Let's
(01:26):
dive in. What I'm working with the governor of Kentucky
and others who may want me to be there is
I may make sure that we are value added at
the time and we're not going to get in the
way of the rescuing recovery. Joining us now is Ginger Gibson,
Deputy Washington Digital editor at NBC News. Thanks for joining us, Ginger,
(01:46):
thanks having me well. We saw some devastating tornadoes hit
late Friday in about six states in the south and Midwest.
Kentucky looks to have gotten the worst of it. I
guess they said there was thirty tornadoes across our saw Illinois, Kentucky, Missouri, Mississippi,
and Tennessee. About eighty people they say are probably dead.
They're still searching for survivors in the rubble. I mean,
(02:09):
some of these pictures are are pretty remarkable, just whole
swaths of areas just flattened out and completely gone. Now
President Biden has directed federal resources to be directed to
these affected areas, and and FEMALE obviously has been mobilized
already for your listeners not from that part of the country.
Winter storms that bring tornadoes this time of year, in
(02:30):
further into the winter um tend to be devastating. With
this really remarkable and historic and the level of devastation
we saw tornadoes that stretched for miles and miles are
very large tornadoes that left as you describe, these destructive
paths behind them, leveling whole parts of towns and really
(02:50):
just a horrific death tole um and and magnitudes that
we don't normally see what these types of storms. So
that region of the country very hard hit on Friday
night when President Biden offered his condolences to the families
and remarks this weekend, and you're right, mobilized. FEMA, the
federal government, our emergency response declared a disaster in the region,
(03:12):
and that means that more money will flow to those areas.
And really, you know, does what Biden does best, offered
the sympathy that he could uh to the people who
lost their loved ones. I mean, the devastation is just
it's hard to look at. And you know, to your point, right, Um,
the cold weather in December. You know, there are some
big weather actions like this, but not usually to this extent.
(03:33):
That's why a lot of people were shocked at how
how bad it turned out. You know, it was in
the middle of the night. Um, My dad was in Nashville.
He said that the sirens heard going off at three
o'clock in the morning. That doesn't allow the same type
of communication in response for people to have to get
to safety. And so in the middle of the night,
awoken by the sirens. People really suffered these great losses
(03:54):
in an in a storm that was much stronger than
they expected it to be. Let's talk a little bit
about Russia, because tensions keep escalating with them as they
build up more troops near the Ukraine border. I think
the last time I saw, they said maybe about ninety
troops are in that area. And according to the Kremlin,
President Biden and Vladimir Putin have said that they agreed
to hold more talks. Putin says he would like to
(04:15):
see some in person meeting. President Biden already has responded saying,
you know, we're going to respond with strong economic measures,
other measures. Secretary of Saint Anthony B. Lincoln was on
meet the Press on Sunday and he said, you know,
we might do things that we haven't done before. UM.
So they're trying to put the pressure on Putin. That's right.
Russia has um really escalated along the Ukrainian border. Folks
(04:39):
will remember that UM several years ago they invaded Crimea,
which was a region in the Ukraine, and took control
of that portion. There was international backlash to that, a
lot of criticism from UM other nations. The Russia was
cut out of the G seven than that was that
you hate before then, and a lot of things done
(04:59):
to a voice an opposition to that. But it's kind
of been allowed to remain all of these years, and
now we see the Russians really escalating again towards Ukraine.
And Ukraine is a large nation on the Russian border.
The Russians have tried to exert a lot of influence
and the west, the US and our European allies have
also tried to UM exert influence there. We've told Ukraine
(05:22):
they can join NATO at some point. UM and that's
really part of the reason that Putin is so mad
about it. He doesn't want US military installations or US
backed military installations going into the Ukraine. UM, and that's
why he's doing this. And we see a real propaganda
machine working in Russia right now, trying to make the
Russian people believe that it's the Ukrainians who are the
(05:45):
aggressors here UM, and that Russian action is in response
to that, that it's US backed efforts to make Russia
less safe. UM. And we really see um an escalating tension.
And you mentioned these talks, UM, but right now we
really haven't seen any signs of de escalation that would
make us think that this couldn't get worse before it
(06:05):
gets better. I wanted to move on before we end
here to some media news. Chris Wallace, the longtime Fox
News anchor, will be leaving. He's gonna be going to,
of all places, CNN, their new streaming platform, CNN Plus.
He's been with Fox News for about eighteen years. He
said he's ready to try something new, go beyond politics.
And we all know the reputation that Fox News has,
(06:27):
But Chris Wallace has always received good marks as a
journalist a tough interview presidential moderator. Um, so it's gonna
be interesting to see the move that he makes. Now, Yeah,
I mean, Chris Wallace is really one of the best
interviewers on Sunday morning news shows. Um. He's wonderful to watch.
He's very great at asking the right questions and getting
(06:47):
his targets his interviewees to really lay out what he
wants them to and so it is an interesting move
for him. He has been critical of Fox in some
of the direction that Fox has taken at times, felt
that they were not serving as an independent news organization.
So the move to CNN, which is trying to bulk
up its streaming platform as are we and everyone else. Um,
(07:10):
so this is a big move by them to get
someone who's really respected on on their their streaming waves.
Ginger Gibson, Deputy Washington Digital editor at NBC News, Thank
you very much for joining us. Thanks for having me.
(07:33):
Many many schools are reporting rises in both minor incidents
like students talking in class, are talking back to the teacher,
or more serious problems such as fights or weapons possession.
Joining us now is Ben Chapman, National education reporter at
The Wall Street journal. Thanks for joining us, Ben, thank
you for having me. I want to talk about an
(07:54):
interesting thing that's going on in a lot of schools
right now. A lot of schools are kind of dealing
with this wave of student misbehavior, and a lot of
them are pointing to these closures that happened during the pandemic.
I think somebody put it really well that a lot
of the kind of the social aspects of it, the
social maturity is not there. And and it's so crazy
(08:16):
to think because these normal school years right have been
affected almost three years now, right, it's three years back
that there was a full normal school years. So kids
are two years later, three years later in another grade now,
and they're missing some of that social maturity. And we're
seeing a rise in minor issues. We're seeing a rise
in serious issues. It's all over the place, really, So Ben,
(08:37):
tell us some more about it. That's correct. Basically, schools
around the country, in big cities and small cities, in
rich areas and disadvantage areas, in schools that have problems
before and schools that didn't have problems, sort of across
the board. Many many schools are reporting rises in both
(08:58):
minor incidents like student is talking in class or talking
back to the teacher, or more serious problems such as
fights or weapons possession. So it's a widespread issue. And
you know, anybody who's a parent or a teacher, who's
who's listening right now, probably knows what we're talking about.
Tell me a little bit about Southwood High School and Streeport.
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They had over a series of three days. I guess
there was a bunch of different fights. One big brawl
in particular ended up leading to twenty three students being
arrested and expelled. That's correct. There were three subsequent days
of fighting at the school in September, about a month
back into the school year, and that's correct. There are
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almost two dozen students expelled and arrested in these fights.
And I spoke with the principle at the school, and
students at the school and teachers, and they all told
me the same thing, which was that students were not
prepared to come back to school, particularly there were a
lot of underclassmen involved in these fights. And these were
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students who had gone straight from middle school before the
pandemic hit to being thrust into a totally different environment
in high school. And basically the school struggled to deal
with it. And you know, when I talked to people
about the causes behind this, when I talked to students
and administrators, you know, it was disruption in kids lives,
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job loss, sickness in the family, death of loved ones,
isolation from friends, moving from place to place. So it's
sort of a laundry list of the sort of traumatic
things that a young person could experience. So what are
schools doing in response to this. Obviously, they're increasing patrols
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from security guards, things like that. They're hiring more counselors.
Some places are reducing or eliminating suspendens and opting for
more counseling. So there's a range of ways that they're
trying to fight this. Yeah, that's correct, And I think
the sort of big picture take on it is that
there's an emphasis on mental health that is new and basically,
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you know, schools have been forced to reckon with mental
health issues that students are bringing back to school, and
so they have a variety of different tactics to try
and address this, and that could range from more counseling
to uh mindfulness lessons for elementary school students. They're doing
(11:38):
that in Dallas two lessons to teach kids how to socialize,
things like just having kids discussed with each other what
they did over the weekend to try and rebuild relationships.
So it really runs the gamut. And in some places
part of the approaches also to particularly in Dallas was
one place that I focused on where they were doing
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this and they you know, eliminating suspensions and an idea
of like not punishing kids as much as trying to
support them or provide them with new tools so that
they could sort of address the problems that they were
having in school. Are they finding success with that at least?
Are they turning certain kids around with a more counseling
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aspect of it. You know, I talked to kids and
you know, teachers and you know parents, and it sounds
like they are, you know, anecdotally, it's early in the game.
So there isn't a lot of data yet to either,
you know, there isn't a lot of big picture data
that like really gives us a full understanding of the
(12:41):
scope of what's going on. But there also isn't a
lot of data yet to tell us whether or not
things are working. But anecdotally, you know, I'm hearing that
these types of approaches are proving to be, you know,
at least somewhat effective. Then Chapman National Education or Border
at the Wall Street Journal, thank you very much for
(13:02):
joining us. Thanks so much for having me. You guys,
I'm going to quit right now. It's hard for me
because I love this job and I worked you for
a year and I actually like it. But the managers
do you want to being really mean to me and
(13:22):
I still have the mop and speak, so I'm not
going to just quit and leave it for them to clean.
Do they feel bad? So I'm going to hop out
the window when I'm done. Joining us now is Emma Goldberg,
reporter at the New York Times. Thanks for joining us, Emma,
thanks for having me on. You know, throughout the pandemic
and the latter half, we've been talking about the great resignation.
You know, a lot of people leaving their jobs, moving on,
(13:44):
hopefully too bigger and better things. But what we're seeing
in a lot of cases is these big public displays
of these resignations, people broadcasting that they quit, you know,
going out on social media and you know, letting everybody know,
or you know, even videos of how they did it.
Different things like that. I know career coaches probably don't
feel the best about those tactics, but you know, all
(14:05):
the rules have kind of changed. So Emma, tell us
a little bit about it. It's a great question. So
I think, as you mentioned, more and more people are
starting to pick up on the fact that people are
leaving their jobs. So the quitting rate, which is the
percentage of workers who are voluntarily leaving their jobs, reached
three this fall, which is really high. There was one
(14:25):
and fourteen hospitality workers, for example, quit their job in August.
But I think what's notable about this moment is that
it's not just at the quitting rate is high. It's
also really visible because people are blasting it on social
media when they leave their jobs. That's not necessarily a
lot of what career coaches would probably want or really
wasn't what was happening. A lot you never wanted to
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disparage the company that you left or a former boss
or something, only because you know it might look bad
for the next employer somebody. Especially now with social media, right,
a lot of employers go back and check those feeds,
you know, if there's kind of signs of troublemaking or
anything like that you know, they might want to steer
away from hiring you. That's exactly right. Some of the
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career coaches that I spoke with are pretty weary about
this trend because they noted that, first of all, the
labor shortage is not gonna last forever. At some point,
jobs are going to be in higher demands than workers.
And the other is who that Regardless of whether workers
are in demand or not, bosses and hiring managers are
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still most likely searching people on social media before hiring them,
and they're often going to be a little bit skeptical
if they saw that person posting about a former employer
or a former boss. Yeah, but for them, for the
employers you mentioned also to you know that it's this
tough balance, right do I hire a dicey person maybe,
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or do I risk the burnout of others in the company.
And that's a key thing, right, because these staffing shortages
obviously put more pressure on the remaining employees. If we
keep that shortage and we keep that pressure up on
everybody else, is the burnout worse rather than hiring somebody
who might have post something on social media. That's exactly right.
It's a tough kind of between a rock and a
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hard space for employers. But some of the experts that
I spoke with said that at the end of the
day right now, what they're most worried about is the
staff and shortages that are going to lead to burnout
among their employees, and so sometimes they're willing to go
for those slightly dicier hires, even if it's someone who,
let's say, posted a TikTok ranting about a former employer
(16:28):
or former boss or the piece you profiled Gabby Ianello,
she left her real estate job. I think she posted
something to TikTok so her followers could see how did
her story go? Yeah, Gabby Um is a really fun
voice in this piece, and she's someone who was working
this really corporate job. She was waking up every morning
(16:50):
before five am and been going on this commute to
the office where she didn't always necessarily feel like she
was getting the fulfillment and the meaning and the benefit
that she wanted. So February of the pandemics, we quit
her job. She had about ten thousand dollars in savings,
and then she posted a kicktok about it um what
I'm calling a quit talk, where she talked about why
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she decided to quit, and it really resonated with followers,
and she ended up starting a podcast called Corporate Quitter
that's kind of cheerleading other people who are quitting their
jobs as well. Did she get another job or is
the podcast the only thing she does right now? Because
the only reason why I asked that is, like, you know,
then there was no danger really in posting that TikTok
if she changed career. Course, you know, she's making money elsewhere,
(17:34):
so it would be interesting to see that part of it.
I think you're pointing to something really important, which is,
on the one hand, right now you have you have
career coaches kind of urging people to make snavvy choices,
but then you have workers who are saying that over
the past year and a half, they've kind of questioned
their values, they've questioned what they want out of their
work and out of their working days, and they've decided
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that they don't want to go back to corporate life.
So if they're post seeing something that kind of slams
shut the door behind them, they're not mad about that,
And they're saying they've realized that they really want more
agency and ownership over their careers and in a lot
of cases that means creative pursuits where it's actually to
your benefit to build a brand by PC and even
(18:16):
about quitting on social media, and to your point, you know,
they post the stuff. People are, you know, maybe tuning
out some of the career coach guidance, you know, the
things in that area, and they're finding a community on
social media. They're finding guidance on social media from other
people how they didn't and what they're doing next. And
you know people take those cues and and use that
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advice as well. Yeah, that's exactly right. People are giving
one another advice about how to quit. I spoke with
a young woman named g G. Gonzalez who left her
investment management role, and she actually uses her TikTok in
part to kind of give people advice about how they
can make similar moves to what she did. And I
think what's an important point is that for all of
these people who I ended up speaking with for the
(18:58):
piece um, the post they make about quitting are actually
a really important part for them of building their brands
and allowing them to do the kind of creative work
that they wanted to. So it's sort of expanding their
audience and building and amplifying the platform that they have
to talk to people, and they're you know, they're owning
what it means to be a quitter. To them, being
a quitter is cool. Emma Goldberg, reporter at The New
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York Times, Thank you very much for joining us. Thanks
for having me on. That's it for today. Join us
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