The search continues for unaccounted people at the Champlain Towers South Condo in Florida as we hear of more red flags that were raised about the building going back to 2018 and even just two days before it collapsed. An engineering consultant indicated in a 2018 report that concrete damage would multiply exponentially over the years, despite residents being told the building was in good shape. Elisha Fieldstadt, reporter at NBC News, joins us for some of the building warning signs.
Next, car dealers are selling more vehicles above the sticker price as demand continues to remain high while supply is low. Dealers are loading cars with extra additions and in some cases charging 10,000 over MSRP. Nora Naughton, auto industry reporter at the WSJ, joins us for why dealers are selling cars for so much, the short answer… is because they can.
Finally, the Arizona ballot audit could be backfiring on Republicans as polls continue to show that half of voters oppose it, with independent voters opposing it by 18 points. The counting is done for now, but next comes the report which is expected to be partisan. The polls however do show that voters in AZ might not want Biden to run for a second term. Marc Caputo, national political reporter at Politico, joins us for why there is opposition to the audit.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Wednesday. I'm Oscar Ramiras in Los Angeles, and this
is the daily dive. The search continues for unaccounted people
at the Champlain Towers South Condo in Florida, as we
hear of more red flags that were raised about the
building going back to and even just two days before
(00:21):
it collapsed. An engineering consultant indicated in a report that
concrete damage would multiply exponentially over the years, despite residents
being told that the building was in good shape. Alicia Fields,
that reporter at NBC News joins us for some of
the building warning signs. Next, car dealers are selling more
(00:41):
vehicles above the sticker price as demand continues to remain
high while supply is low. Dealers are loading cars up
with extra editions and in some cases charging ten thousand
dollars over M S R P. Noura not in auto industry.
Reporter at the Wall Street Journal joins US for white
dealers are selling cars for so much. The short answer
is because they can. Finally, the Arizona ballot audit could
(01:05):
be backfiring on Republicans as polls continue to show that
about half of voters opposed it, with independent voters opposing
it by eighteen point. The counting has done for now,
but next comes the report, which is expected to be partisan.
Mark Caputo, national political reporter at Politico, joins us for
why there's opposition to the audit, It's news without the noise.
(01:26):
Let's dive in for those still trapped, We hold out
hope for the search to discover survivors. For all those
who lost loved ones, we send our deepest condolences and
pledge support and solidarity. Joining us now is Alicia Fields,
that breaking news reporter at NBC News. Thanks for joining. Celicia,
(01:48):
Hi there, Thanks for having me. I wanted to talk
about this ongoing story with the Champlaine Towers South in Florida. Obviously,
this condo collapse, we've been hearing about it. A lot
of us have seen the video, some pretty crazy stuff there.
And currently, as it stands, we have eleven deaths in
a hundred and fifty people still unaccounted for. Those numbers
can change, but right now the attention is turning to
(02:11):
why this is happening, while the ongoing rescue efforts are
still happening. But we're starting to get a better picture
of just kind of how bad that building was the
condition of that building. We have a letter sent in
April to residents talking about how the lower levels of
the building needed some work. Things could be exponentially worse,
and I guess residents were told at the time they
(02:33):
everything's fine, the buildings in good conditions. So Alicia tell
us a little bit more about what we're learning of
the condition of the building. So just to be clear,
officials haven't said yet actual cause of the collapse. They
say that will take a very long time to get
to the bottom of this. They're focusing right now still
on search and rescue after this collapse on Thursday. But
(02:53):
we are getting some insight into a process that that
started in Twitter eighteen in which an inspector went to
the building and he started seeing some erosion under the pool,
raised alarms to that effect, and then at a meeting
in which the residents were updated following that inspection, they
(03:17):
were told everything is fine, the building looks fine. A
year later, a board member raised concerns about construction that
was happening very close to this building. Quick email shot off,
like any of us would do, Hey, I'm worried about
this construction, and she emailed a town building supervisor, and
(03:39):
it was the same man who had said the same thing,
don't worry about it. I don't even need to come
by to check. Let it leave your mind. When someone
else came by to simply check the pool of the
building was when the extreme erosion. They started finding so
(04:00):
much more and the warnings had come to fruition. And
that's when the building president sent a letter to the
residents telling them that it was going to be a
pretty penny to fix all of these concerns. And just
to be clear of this is a condo building, so
the people in the building essentially owned the building, so
(04:22):
if if there needs to be repairs, then they all
need to chip in. And between twenty eighteen and twenty
nineteen that number rose by six million dollars, from nine
million to fifteen millions. And the language in this letter is,
you know, months before half of it collapsed, is just
the alarm bells. You know you mentioned that, you know
there was a pool inspector there checking out some stuff.
(04:45):
That was two days before the building collapsed. He even
took pictures of cracked concrete, exposed rebar and he wasn't
there to do anything for the building. He was just
doing pool inspection stuff. But he even he noticed standing
water in some of the in the parking garage. All
of this stuff was alluded to in that report from
that you were mentioning, and then again in the letter
(05:07):
that the President sent just in April, and that pool
inspector he said there was standing water all over the
parking garage. He said there was a puddle of water
and specifically located apart where the contractor in had reported
there was major structural damage. So there were warning signs here.
(05:28):
This wasn't something that came out of nowhere. We had
three years of warning signs. And again we still don't
know exactly what had caused this building to partially collapse,
but it's definitely coming into clearer view. And that pool
area we have. Another colleague of mine spoke to a
(05:48):
woman yesterday or a man yesterday whose wife had called
him during the collapse and she said the pool was
just swallowed and then the line disconnected. This was shortly
before the building flattened. The other thing is there's a
nearly identical building, Champlaine Towers North, which is about a
block away. I think it was built a year later
(06:11):
from the South Condo, which is the one that collapsed residents.
I think they're doing some audits there and looking into
the structural integrity there. A lot of the residents there
aren't leaving. They say that that building is better maintained.
But you know, this is just causing for a lot
of building inspections in the area. Anything above I think
six stories forty years old or more. You know, they're
(06:33):
really starting to turn a closer eye to these things. Yeah,
the mayor has ordered that for all of these buildings,
and again they're all told to go through this forty
year audit, but she's just making sure that that is
happening and anything that that is year about forty years
there on the ground right now looking at those insane
(06:53):
with that sister building, they've already done a quick audit
on it and they're going back and they're going to
do a more in depth one. But residents have said
that most of them are sticking around. Only about twenty
have left, according to their account. Alicia Field, stat breaking
news reporter at NBC News, Thank you very much for
(07:14):
joining us. Thank you thanks for having me. You know,
dealers are sort of taking to different approaches to that
one is what I wrote about this week, which is
just raising the price, and depending on what state you're in,
(07:35):
you can do what's called the market value adjustment, which
is I'm raising the price just because I can. Joining
us now, is Nora not in Auto industry reporter at
the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for joining us, Nora, Thanks
for having me. Much like the housing market, the car
business right now is booming and it's a seller's market.
(07:55):
We're seeing cars go for above sticker price, above the
msrp D manufacturer suggested retail price as dealerships are adding
on different additives, new wheels, you know, other things that
drive that sticker price up. And uh, it's it's tough
for people out there to meet the rising costs of this.
So nor tell us a little bit more about what
(08:16):
we're seeing in the car business right now at its core.
You sort of nailed it with the comparison to the
housing market. It's a very simple supplied demand equation. At
the end of the day, there are no cars, so
if you want one, you're going to have to pay
pretty dearly for it, and you know, dealers are sort
of taking to different approaches to that. One is what
(08:38):
I wrote about this week, which is just raising the price,
and depending on what state you're in, you can do
what's called the market value adjustment, which is I'm raising
the price just because I can UM And in others,
you know, they do those add ons like you said,
and then you know there are dealers who say, okay, sure,
like we have a reason to make people pay more
(09:01):
right now. But what does that do for us in
terms of our relationship with customers in the long run. Yeah,
and that's an important one. You actually spoke to a
few people who were out there buying cars that you know,
I wrote some notes in my in my article on
the article here, and I said, man, that sounded like
a jerk salesman, because they're telling these people, hey, you know,
we're charging you ten tho dollars over M S R P.
(09:23):
And they're saying, well, why what's going on. They're like, well,
because we can if you're trying to sell some of
your card. That's not the tactic I would use. But
that's the point right there, is that you know they
can right now, they're looking at their inventory. They don't
know when the next shipment of cars would come in,
so they're trying to make more off of every unit
that they have. That's exactly right. And you know, the
(09:44):
unique thing about car shopping is that you can haggle.
You know, you know exactly what the factory suggested price is,
which is not a luxury you have when you go
to the grocery store or to shop for clothes or
anything like that. But what you're usually haggling over is
the guy down the street has the same car for
two thousand dollars less. Well, if you're're a GM dealer
(10:06):
and you have the only escalated in a six mile radius,
what is there to haggle over? Yeah, and that's a
tough spot right there. One of the things that you
did mention though, because you know, you go to the dealership,
you see the sticker price, you see kind of what's included. Boom,
that's the price. There are states such as California Connecticut
which require the dealers to disclose why they're charging you
(10:28):
above that factory price. If that that's where the number
gets going. There's a called sticker addendums. Tell me a
little bit about that. So these are exactly what they
sound like. They're little add ons to the window sticker
that will have usually the dealer's name on it. It
looks very much like the actual window sticker itself. You
(10:49):
kind of have to look for it to see it,
and it'll just it'll have the same sort of itemized
saying that every window sticker has, you know, all of
the features or whatever. But these are from the dealer,
not from the factory. And you'll see that's our suggested price.
Tell me a little bit more about some of the
people that you spoke to when it does come to
(11:10):
that relationship with the customer, because you know, if you're
charging them over the sticker price, and let's say you
do make a sale, you know, some of these dealers
are saying, well, in the long run, that might hurt
us because they might never come back to buy a
car from us because they feel like they got taken
advantage of already. In the case of the two consumers
that are in my story, they did not buy from
(11:32):
those dealers that tried to charge them over sticker. They
took their business elsewhere. So I don't know what kind
of luck those dealers had with other customers, but they
certainly lost those people. And in the case of the
woman who bought the escalade, you know, she said she
actually was a pretty loyal customer to that particular GM
dealership and they've lost her for life. So you know,
(11:55):
we've talked about this before. The used car market is
also in the same way, where they're just going for
a way above what they're worth currently. So I mean
that is maybe the bright spot. If you're looking for
a new car right now, it's going to be more expensive,
but you probably have a little bit money in your
pocket than you think you do, because whatever you're going
(12:17):
to trade in is worth more than you think it is,
believe me, And that might be where you end up
doing your negotiating, is how much you get for that
trade in as opposed to how much you're going to
pay for the car for the new car, because at
this point most dealers really aren't budging. Nora not, an
auto industry reporter at the Wall Street Journal, thank you
(12:40):
very much for joining us, Thanks for having me. Election experts,
Democratic officials and Republican members of the Americoa County Board
of Supervisors opposed the recount, and they point out that
the voting machines had already been checked by a credit firm,
and the election results are validated by a previous audit.
(13:02):
That is, the results are correct. Now, do you support
or opposed the audit? Then opposition starts to increase. Joining
us now is Mark Udo, national political reporter at Politico.
Thanks for joining us, Mark, thanks for having me. I
wanted to talk about this Arizona audit that's ongoing right now.
They're doing an audit of the votes in Maricopa County.
(13:22):
It's been going on for some time. I think the vote,
the actual accounting has ended, but they still have to
generate the report from all of that. But we just
saw some new polling out of this with a lot
of opposition to it, actually, especially and including on the
Republican side of things. So Mark, tell us what we're
seeing about reaction to this audit. Well, people who know
the state, Republicans who know the state and want to
(13:45):
win statewide elections are generally opposed to the audit because
they believe that a Joe Biden won the election fair
and square and be dwelling on this by having these
kind of widely coyote ACME audits aren't necessarily very effective
at persuading voters to vote Republican. The poll that was
done in Arizona of six Arizona likely voters by Ben
(14:07):
Dixon and Amandi International show that's just at first blosh
when you just use the most neutral terms, and incidentally,
using the neutral terms is kind of misleading by just
calling it an audit, because it kind of isn't just
asking people, Hey, there's an audit in Marracoca County. Based
on what you know about the audit of the presidential ballots,
do you support or oppose? The recount of forty six
(14:30):
percent supported are against it. But when you start to
dig into it, the anti audit intensity is five points
stronger than the pro audit intensity, as people who are
strongly opposed at people who are somewhat are better said,
strongly support are at thirty seven percent. Also, when you
dig into the cross tabs of the poll, you look
(14:51):
at the party breaks, you'll see Republicans and Democrats are
kind of equally divided on it. That is, Republicans supported
by as much as Democrats oppose it and vice versa,
but independent voters opposed by double digits almost twenty points. Now,
when you actually ask voters a question that accurately reflects
the nature of the quote unquote audit, it's a full
recount of all these hand ballots. But it was initiated
(15:14):
by Center Republicans. It's conducted by a firm with no
experience in conducting election audits. The company CEO also believes
that widespread fraud mare elections. Election experts. Democratic officials and
Republican members of the Americoba County Board of Supervisors opposed
the recount, and they point out that the voting machines
had already been checked by a credited firm and that
the election results are validated by a previous audit. That is,
(15:36):
the results are correct. Now do you support or oppose
the audit? Then opposition starts to increase, only support or opposed.
And again the intensity factor is THERETO percent strongly supported,
strongly opposed. That's a ten point margin. Well, then the
question is what what effect does this actually have for candidates? Well,
(15:57):
by a nine point margin, Arizona voters are less likely
to support a candidate who supports the audit. So you
couple of those things together, you got it is just
not popular both when you talk to people who kind
of know the elections business Republicans and when you look
at the polling. And it's further evidence of that is
Joe Biden, Joe Biden had his favorability ratings are in
barely positive territory have a favoritable opinion of him, and
(16:23):
have an unfavorable opinion of him. But asked if he
deserves to be elected to a second term, then you
see actually rather strong opposition to Joe Biden of all things.
When I asked, like, do you think that he deserves
to be elected for another four year term? And he
decides to run again in well, fifty three of Arizona
voters are against that, only are in favor. But then
(16:45):
if you match him up against Trump, he beats Trump
by a seven point margin. We're expecting this report to
be very partisan. We know the person it's leading the
report is already kind of on record, you know, on
the Trump side of things, saying that the election iss
and there's all sorts of fraud there. What are we
gonna expect once that report comes out? You know it's
gonna it seems like we already know what it's gonna say.
(17:07):
But how well is it going to be received? As
so many people are opposing it out right already. The
Republicans that we've spoken to as well as the Democrats think, Look,
this opinion is baked in The strong opposition for strong
support numbers in this poll also indicate that so at
this point, the genies out of the bottle. They're going
to finish it. But maybe a better metaphor, I think
(17:29):
it's from the playwright George Bernard Shaw. The hanging is
over and all that remains is the trial, right, so
we know the verdict is going to be we're just
kind of we're kind of waiting on it. But to
answer your question, no, I don't think at least when
you look at the poll and you talk to people
and know what they're talking about, when you just look
at the facts of the case, it's hard to see
this having any concrete effect. Now, the standing question is this,
(17:51):
will politicians and other states, especially other swing states want
to take this up and use this kind of Arizona
model and grab fed into their state. And as the
polling numbers in Arizona indicate, the Republican Party has a
bit of a Trump problem. They can't quit him because
the reality is he animates their base. And the people
who love Donald Trump really love Donald Trump, and they
(18:13):
vote Republican. But the people who hate Donald Trump really
hate Donald Trump. They vote Democrat. And there's more of them.
There's more of them right now in Arizona. And so
the more the party goes along this path absent anything else,
and that's an important caveat asking anything else, the more
troublesome it can be for the party the GOP to prevail.
(18:35):
That having been said, there are headwinds for Joe Biden
of both in Arizona and nationwide. The reality is he's
going to be facing his first midterm and except for
George W. Bush, and his first mid term after nine
eleven presidents watched their party get decimated in Congress. And
then there's also redistricting and a lot of the states
that Trump won are going to be getting new congressional
(18:56):
districts that also could change the balance of power in Washington.
So I don't want anyone to walk away with the
impression where we're saying, you know, the GOP is dead,
My gosh, it isn't. But the reality is is when
you look at the pole, when you talk to people
who understand the business and kind of the political winds
and how they're blowing, Donald Trump is not doing his
party the favors of that many in his party want
(19:17):
him to do. Mark Caputo, national political reporter at Politico.
Thank you very much for joining us. Thanks you for
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It's Wednesday. I'm Oscar Ramiras in Los Angeles, and this
is the daily dive. The search continues for unaccounted people
at the Champlain Towers South Condo in Florida, as we
hear of more red flags that were raised about the
building going back to and even just two days before
(00:21):
it collapsed. An engineering consultant indicated in a report that
concrete damage would multiply exponentially over the years, despite residents
being told that the building was in good shape. Alicia Fields,
that reporter at NBC News joins us for some of
the building warning signs. Next, car dealers are selling more
(00:41):
vehicles above the sticker price as demand continues to remain
high while supply is low. Dealers are loading cars up
with extra editions and in some cases charging ten thousand
dollars over M S R P. Noura not in auto industry.
Reporter at the Wall Street Journal joins US for white
dealers are selling cars for so much. The short answer
is because they can. Finally, the Arizona ballot audit could
(01:05):
be backfiring on Republicans as polls continue to show that
about half of voters opposed it, with independent voters opposing
it by eighteen point. The counting has done for now,
but next comes the report, which is expected to be partisan.
Mark Caputo, national political reporter at Politico, joins us for
why there's opposition to the audit, It's news without the noise.
(01:26):
Let's dive in for those still trapped, We hold out
hope for the search to discover survivors. For all those
who lost loved ones, we send our deepest condolences and
pledge support and solidarity. Joining us now is Alicia Fields,
that breaking news reporter at NBC News. Thanks for joining. Celicia,
(01:48):
Hi there, Thanks for having me. I wanted to talk
about this ongoing story with the Champlaine Towers South in Florida. Obviously,
this condo collapse, we've been hearing about it. A lot
of us have seen the video, some pretty crazy stuff there.
And currently, as it stands, we have eleven deaths in
a hundred and fifty people still unaccounted for. Those numbers
can change, but right now the attention is turning to
(02:11):
why this is happening, while the ongoing rescue efforts are
still happening. But we're starting to get a better picture
of just kind of how bad that building was the
condition of that building. We have a letter sent in
April to residents talking about how the lower levels of
the building needed some work. Things could be exponentially worse,
and I guess residents were told at the time they
(02:33):
everything's fine, the buildings in good conditions. So Alicia tell
us a little bit more about what we're learning of
the condition of the building. So just to be clear,
officials haven't said yet actual cause of the collapse. They
say that will take a very long time to get
to the bottom of this. They're focusing right now still
on search and rescue after this collapse on Thursday. But
(02:53):
we are getting some insight into a process that that
started in Twitter eighteen in which an inspector went to
the building and he started seeing some erosion under the pool,
raised alarms to that effect, and then at a meeting
in which the residents were updated following that inspection, they
(03:17):
were told everything is fine, the building looks fine. A
year later, a board member raised concerns about construction that
was happening very close to this building. Quick email shot off,
like any of us would do, Hey, I'm worried about
this construction, and she emailed a town building supervisor, and
(03:39):
it was the same man who had said the same thing,
don't worry about it. I don't even need to come
by to check. Let it leave your mind. When someone
else came by to simply check the pool of the
building was when the extreme erosion. They started finding so
(04:00):
much more and the warnings had come to fruition. And
that's when the building president sent a letter to the
residents telling them that it was going to be a
pretty penny to fix all of these concerns. And just
to be clear of this is a condo building, so
the people in the building essentially owned the building, so
(04:22):
if if there needs to be repairs, then they all
need to chip in. And between twenty eighteen and twenty
nineteen that number rose by six million dollars, from nine
million to fifteen millions. And the language in this letter is,
you know, months before half of it collapsed, is just
the alarm bells. You know you mentioned that, you know
there was a pool inspector there checking out some stuff.
(04:45):
That was two days before the building collapsed. He even
took pictures of cracked concrete, exposed rebar and he wasn't
there to do anything for the building. He was just
doing pool inspection stuff. But he even he noticed standing
water in some of the in the parking garage. All
of this stuff was alluded to in that report from
that you were mentioning, and then again in the letter
(05:07):
that the President sent just in April, and that pool
inspector he said there was standing water all over the
parking garage. He said there was a puddle of water
and specifically located apart where the contractor in had reported
there was major structural damage. So there were warning signs here.
(05:28):
This wasn't something that came out of nowhere. We had
three years of warning signs. And again we still don't
know exactly what had caused this building to partially collapse,
but it's definitely coming into clearer view. And that pool
area we have. Another colleague of mine spoke to a
(05:48):
woman yesterday or a man yesterday whose wife had called
him during the collapse and she said the pool was
just swallowed and then the line disconnected. This was shortly
before the building flattened. The other thing is there's a
nearly identical building, Champlaine Towers North, which is about a
block away. I think it was built a year later
(06:11):
from the South Condo, which is the one that collapsed residents.
I think they're doing some audits there and looking into
the structural integrity there. A lot of the residents there
aren't leaving. They say that that building is better maintained.
But you know, this is just causing for a lot
of building inspections in the area. Anything above I think
six stories forty years old or more. You know, they're
(06:33):
really starting to turn a closer eye to these things. Yeah,
the mayor has ordered that for all of these buildings,
and again they're all told to go through this forty
year audit, but she's just making sure that that is
happening and anything that that is year about forty years
there on the ground right now looking at those insane
(06:53):
with that sister building, they've already done a quick audit
on it and they're going back and they're going to
do a more in depth one. But residents have said
that most of them are sticking around. Only about twenty
have left, according to their account. Alicia Field, stat breaking
news reporter at NBC News, Thank you very much for
(07:14):
joining us. Thank you thanks for having me. You know,
dealers are sort of taking to different approaches to that
one is what I wrote about this week, which is
just raising the price, and depending on what state you're in,
(07:35):
you can do what's called the market value adjustment, which
is I'm raising the price just because I can. Joining
us now, is Nora not in Auto industry reporter at
the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for joining us, Nora, Thanks
for having me. Much like the housing market, the car
business right now is booming and it's a seller's market.
(07:55):
We're seeing cars go for above sticker price, above the
msrp D manufacturer suggested retail price as dealerships are adding
on different additives, new wheels, you know, other things that
drive that sticker price up. And uh, it's it's tough
for people out there to meet the rising costs of this.
So nor tell us a little bit more about what
(08:16):
we're seeing in the car business right now at its core.
You sort of nailed it with the comparison to the
housing market. It's a very simple supplied demand equation. At
the end of the day, there are no cars, so
if you want one, you're going to have to pay
pretty dearly for it, and you know, dealers are sort
of taking to different approaches to that. One is what
(08:38):
I wrote about this week, which is just raising the price,
and depending on what state you're in, you can do
what's called the market value adjustment, which is I'm raising
the price just because I can UM And in others,
you know, they do those add ons like you said,
and then you know there are dealers who say, okay, sure,
like we have a reason to make people pay more
(09:01):
right now. But what does that do for us in
terms of our relationship with customers in the long run. Yeah,
and that's an important one. You actually spoke to a
few people who were out there buying cars that you know,
I wrote some notes in my in my article on
the article here, and I said, man, that sounded like
a jerk salesman, because they're telling these people, hey, you know,
we're charging you ten tho dollars over M S R P.
(09:23):
And they're saying, well, why what's going on. They're like, well,
because we can if you're trying to sell some of
your card. That's not the tactic I would use. But
that's the point right there, is that you know they
can right now, they're looking at their inventory. They don't
know when the next shipment of cars would come in,
so they're trying to make more off of every unit
that they have. That's exactly right. And you know, the
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unique thing about car shopping is that you can haggle.
You know, you know exactly what the factory suggested price is,
which is not a luxury you have when you go
to the grocery store or to shop for clothes or
anything like that. But what you're usually haggling over is
the guy down the street has the same car for
two thousand dollars less. Well, if you're're a GM dealer
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and you have the only escalated in a six mile radius,
what is there to haggle over? Yeah, and that's a
tough spot right there. One of the things that you
did mention though, because you know, you go to the dealership,
you see the sticker price, you see kind of what's included. Boom,
that's the price. There are states such as California Connecticut
which require the dealers to disclose why they're charging you
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above that factory price. If that that's where the number
gets going. There's a called sticker addendums. Tell me a
little bit about that. So these are exactly what they
sound like. They're little add ons to the window sticker
that will have usually the dealer's name on it. It
looks very much like the actual window sticker itself. You
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kind of have to look for it to see it,
and it'll just it'll have the same sort of itemized
saying that every window sticker has, you know, all of
the features or whatever. But these are from the dealer,
not from the factory. And you'll see that's our suggested price.
Tell me a little bit more about some of the
people that you spoke to when it does come to
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that relationship with the customer, because you know, if you're
charging them over the sticker price, and let's say you
do make a sale, you know, some of these dealers
are saying, well, in the long run, that might hurt
us because they might never come back to buy a
car from us because they feel like they got taken
advantage of already. In the case of the two consumers
that are in my story, they did not buy from
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those dealers that tried to charge them over sticker. They
took their business elsewhere. So I don't know what kind
of luck those dealers had with other customers, but they
certainly lost those people. And in the case of the
woman who bought the escalade, you know, she said she
actually was a pretty loyal customer to that particular GM
dealership and they've lost her for life. So you know,
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we've talked about this before. The used car market is
also in the same way, where they're just going for
a way above what they're worth currently. So I mean
that is maybe the bright spot. If you're looking for
a new car right now, it's going to be more expensive,
but you probably have a little bit money in your
pocket than you think you do, because whatever you're going
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to trade in is worth more than you think it is,
believe me, And that might be where you end up
doing your negotiating, is how much you get for that
trade in as opposed to how much you're going to
pay for the car for the new car, because at
this point most dealers really aren't budging. Nora not, an
auto industry reporter at the Wall Street Journal, thank you
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very much for joining us, Thanks for having me. Election experts,
Democratic officials and Republican members of the Americoa County Board
of Supervisors opposed the recount, and they point out that
the voting machines had already been checked by a credit firm,
and the election results are validated by a previous audit.
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That is, the results are correct. Now, do you support
or opposed the audit? Then opposition starts to increase. Joining
us now is Mark Udo, national political reporter at Politico.
Thanks for joining us, Mark, thanks for having me. I
wanted to talk about this Arizona audit that's ongoing right now.
They're doing an audit of the votes in Maricopa County.
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It's been going on for some time. I think the vote,
the actual accounting has ended, but they still have to
generate the report from all of that. But we just
saw some new polling out of this with a lot
of opposition to it, actually, especially and including on the
Republican side of things. So Mark, tell us what we're
seeing about reaction to this audit. Well, people who know
the state, Republicans who know the state and want to
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win statewide elections are generally opposed to the audit because
they believe that a Joe Biden won the election fair
and square and be dwelling on this by having these
kind of widely coyote ACME audits aren't necessarily very effective
at persuading voters to vote Republican. The poll that was
done in Arizona of six Arizona likely voters by Ben
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Dixon and Amandi International show that's just at first blosh
when you just use the most neutral terms, and incidentally,
using the neutral terms is kind of misleading by just
calling it an audit, because it kind of isn't just
asking people, Hey, there's an audit in Marracoca County. Based
on what you know about the audit of the presidential ballots,
do you support or oppose? The recount of forty six
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percent supported are against it. But when you start to
dig into it, the anti audit intensity is five points
stronger than the pro audit intensity, as people who are
strongly opposed at people who are somewhat are better said,
strongly support are at thirty seven percent. Also, when you
dig into the cross tabs of the poll, you look
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at the party breaks, you'll see Republicans and Democrats are
kind of equally divided on it. That is, Republicans supported
by as much as Democrats oppose it and vice versa,
but independent voters opposed by double digits almost twenty points. Now,
when you actually ask voters a question that accurately reflects
the nature of the quote unquote audit, it's a full
recount of all these hand ballots. But it was initiated
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by Center Republicans. It's conducted by a firm with no
experience in conducting election audits. The company CEO also believes
that widespread fraud mare elections. Election experts. Democratic officials and
Republican members of the Americoba County Board of Supervisors opposed
the recount, and they point out that the voting machines
had already been checked by a credited firm and that
the election results are validated by a previous audit. That is,
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the results are correct. Now do you support or oppose
the audit? Then opposition starts to increase, only support or opposed.
And again the intensity factor is THERETO percent strongly supported,
strongly opposed. That's a ten point margin. Well, then the
question is what what effect does this actually have for candidates? Well,
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by a nine point margin, Arizona voters are less likely
to support a candidate who supports the audit. So you
couple of those things together, you got it is just
not popular both when you talk to people who kind
of know the elections business Republicans and when you look
at the polling. And it's further evidence of that is
Joe Biden, Joe Biden had his favorability ratings are in
barely positive territory have a favoritable opinion of him, and
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have an unfavorable opinion of him. But asked if he
deserves to be elected to a second term, then you
see actually rather strong opposition to Joe Biden of all things.
When I asked, like, do you think that he deserves
to be elected for another four year term? And he
decides to run again in well, fifty three of Arizona
voters are against that, only are in favor. But then
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if you match him up against Trump, he beats Trump
by a seven point margin. We're expecting this report to
be very partisan. We know the person it's leading the
report is already kind of on record, you know, on
the Trump side of things, saying that the election iss
and there's all sorts of fraud there. What are we
gonna expect once that report comes out? You know it's
gonna it seems like we already know what it's gonna say.
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But how well is it going to be received? As
so many people are opposing it out right already. The
Republicans that we've spoken to as well as the Democrats think, Look,
this opinion is baked in The strong opposition for strong
support numbers in this poll also indicate that so at
this point, the genies out of the bottle. They're going
to finish it. But maybe a better metaphor, I think
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it's from the playwright George Bernard Shaw. The hanging is
over and all that remains is the trial, right, so
we know the verdict is going to be we're just
kind of we're kind of waiting on it. But to
answer your question, no, I don't think at least when
you look at the poll and you talk to people
and know what they're talking about, when you just look
at the facts of the case, it's hard to see
this having any concrete effect. Now, the standing question is this,
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will politicians and other states, especially other swing states want
to take this up and use this kind of Arizona
model and grab fed into their state. And as the
polling numbers in Arizona indicate, the Republican Party has a
bit of a Trump problem. They can't quit him because
the reality is he animates their base. And the people
who love Donald Trump really love Donald Trump, and they
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vote Republican. But the people who hate Donald Trump really
hate Donald Trump. They vote Democrat. And there's more of them.
There's more of them right now in Arizona. And so
the more the party goes along this path absent anything else,
and that's an important caveat asking anything else, the more
troublesome it can be for the party the GOP to prevail.
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That having been said, there are headwinds for Joe Biden
of both in Arizona and nationwide. The reality is he's
going to be facing his first midterm and except for
George W. Bush, and his first mid term after nine
eleven presidents watched their party get decimated in Congress. And
then there's also redistricting and a lot of the states
that Trump won are going to be getting new congressional
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districts that also could change the balance of power in Washington.
So I don't want anyone to walk away with the
impression where we're saying, you know, the GOP is dead,
My gosh, it isn't. But the reality is is when
you look at the pole, when you talk to people
who understand the business and kind of the political winds
and how they're blowing, Donald Trump is not doing his
party the favors of that many in his party want
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him to do. Mark Caputo, national political reporter at Politico.
Thank you very much for joining us. Thanks you for
having me. I appreciate it. That's it for today. Join
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