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mean from angels to aliens, shadow people to atman. This
is the place I like to get your emails, your stories, whispers, legends,
whatever it is that you've ever come across, and share
it with us. Go to my main website, which is
Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot com. Yes

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I have that second one because people often misspell my name.
I figure it this will cover it. Tell me all
the details, because the bigger the email, the better. I mean, honestly,
we'd like to dig into him. I am not everybody
like apologizes I'm so sorry this email is so big.

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I'm like, oh, please carry on. If I have to
put the whole show to your giant email, I will
so do it. And I have haven't. I honestly, I
think that was so That was so cool when I
got one that big and m yeah, very very cool.
And you know what I got to tell you, guys,
You're in for a fabulous show today. I have a doctor,

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Simeon Hine. He is a director of the nonprofit Institute
for Resonance m M. He studies subtle energy science that
includes all sorts of things like crop circles and remote
viewing and oh man, it's it's so cool. I I

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like when people like put a fresh coat of paint
on a topic or subject matter that we've heard before. Right,
they were like, oh gosh, not that again. But but
hold on, they're coming at it differently, and it's like
they're noticing, hello, patterns, what do we like on this show?
Patterns things that start to become common when you're speaking

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about one particular subject or experience, and you know, and
I just like kind of talk it out here with
you guys here even though you're not here here, you're
kind of here, and so I'm giving you credit for
that comforting feel that you give me while I'm talking
on this stuff. Otherwise I'm just talking to myself. But yeah,

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So anyways, I kind of reason out some of the
things that you guys send in, right, and and we
discover these patterns. But of course I've been doing this
for oh a long time, and so I've noticed patterns
even with some of the paranormal things that I've experienced,
you know, that couldn't be explained away. And I'm like,
hold on, you know, this is about where you get

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those chills, right, and and you look around and you
look for the exit and you start running and then
you fall. Um, Yeah, that's it was that's a pattern
or that's the pattern of many horror films. I mean,
oh my gosh, I don't even know how to express
I've said it a million times. Horror movies for myself

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and my siblings were like therapeutic devices because we lived
in a haunted house and watching our horror movie actually
just like let us know that at least people had
an idea what it's like. And it sounds so odd,
but man, it was just so helpful, like and then
it within us like a movie wasn't a movie unless

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it was a horror film. I mean, I don't care
how how bad it was either. It's that's pretty awful. Um,
but it's true. It's true. Um that was me and
uh my two sisters. We did that all the time,
just like oh yeah, yeah, I remember that. Oh the
spinning head thing was cool, just kidding. So anybody's head

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was spinning, it's uh that's pretty horrible. U. So yeah. Anyways,
um yeah, So I like when people take these fresh
approaches and you know, it's this is what we need,
this is how we break down these mind barriers to
understanding the paranormal and uh yeah, so I don't know,
I mean, I think it's it's fascinating. It's fascinating. And yeah,

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so I think you guys are going to enjoy this conversation.
But I have an email I'm going to get too.
I like to try to get suit at least one
before I get my guest on or talk on some subject.
And so I got this one. Yes, it's a short one.
Oh and it's right next to a please help me email.
Oh gosh. So for those of you who do not know,

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when I get a please help email, usually when I
open it it's like, please don't read this on the air.
I need help, And oftentimes it's for a kid. So
that's my wild guess um, and I'm I'm fine with that.
You guys, if you have a story or something that
you've experienced, of course, make an anonymous. Of course you
don't have to name yourself, of course, you know, and

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of course I'm not going to charge you. This is
this is all about helping each other, you know. This
is uh, you know, I believe that we all came
from the very same spot and we all shared a
beautiful sourceome light, and I call it a love soup
of light. And uh, you know, we're supposed to look
out for each other. And I think unfortunately in society

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today and and yes your year and probably the future,
a lot of people forget that that we're connected personally.
You know, there's people who they call quote sensitive. I've
now learned it's called synesthesia, where you feel the pain
of others. Yeah, I know I have that. I do,

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and sometimes it's overwhelming. Absolutely. And you ever see like
a movie and somebody breaks their arm, you go, oh, oh, oh,
you know you almost feel that, right, Well, I feel
that too, And it's all of the fields. It's not
just one little arena of it's just all of the fields.

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So if that helps explain it. So if I see
somebody or hear somebody suffering in the face of these
horrific things, and you know, as a medical professional as
as I am, you know, I can't help but to
want to help because it hurts me to know that
I could possibly help you get it all right? Cool.

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I can't imagine stopping and say hey, hey, hey, hey,
hold on, oh it's your soul at risk fifty bucks.
I just can't. I mean, I'm cool. I understand people
have to make a living and they do that type
of thing. As a medical professional, I took I took
a salary, you know. So yeah, that's the way society goes.

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But if I can have this little moment of making
a difference on my own terms, well, hot diggity dog,
I'm gonna do it. Yeah. So anyways, let me get
to this email. I'm to explain my life. This one
says a dear Heidie. That's me. When I was around

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eight years old, my sister and our friend were walking
and noticed a tall man with a top hat dressed
in all black right behind us. Chills, everybody, chills appeared
out of nowhere. We were scared and quickly made it

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to the grocery store, where he followed us inside. Oh heck, no, oh,
come on, now, that's out of sorts there. That's interesting.
I don't think I've had anybody share hat man following
them into a store. He's chased people, sure, got people

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right up to their front door, but to cross the
barrier from outdoors indoors to an area that there's other people,
I don't think so huh. Very unique, all right, and
they continue. The very first worker we saw, we told
him the employees actually helped look for him in the store.

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Well that's nice. You're taken serious. You're young kids. That's
that's awesome that everybody kind of rose to the occasion.
So they searched the store, but he was gone. Whoa,
but you saw him come in. Wow. This was in
Iowa around nineteen eighty four. Whoah, my gosh. That's uh,

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that's horrifying. That's absolutely horrifying. You think, oh, oh, hey,
everybody run, let's run. We're running. We're running. We get
to the grocery store and who oh man, oh he's
coming in. He's coming in. Hi gosh, HOHI gosh, look
for help, and he's gone. Can you imagine i'd you
like my reenactment. I don't know where I don't know

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where that came from, but I just did that. Um,
but that's that's horrifying. I'm so sorry you had to
deal with that. I and this comes from Melanie, So
I can't imagine that that was a good, good, warm
and fuzzy feeling. And you must have been in terror
of anything like that ever happening. Again, you didn't go

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into much detail, which hello, I beg for details all
the time on this show. Everybody all right, just saying, um,
but that is um. Yeah, that's that's really that's disturbing.
I mean, everybody always thanks when they're watching a horror movie.
You know, it's like run, run, you know what, don't fall,

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keep going, you know, it's like, you know, you always
think you'll know what you do, but it's like that
barrier going into an area where there's a lot of
people and you're still not safe. No, no, that is
not in the horror movies. Usually usually bad guy disappears
before he crosses the threshold, you know, or somebody blocks

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the door, but he was in there. No, thank you.
Not not cool. Not cool. Well, I hope that you
never experienced anything like that ever again, Melanie, and thank
you so much for sharing that. See, you guys could
just share something brief like that. That's that's fascinating, Like,
this is something I never heard of. It's so simple.
He crossed into a store. What never never, never, I

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don't recall ever getting anything like that. And this is
just you know, a few sentences. So look at here
comes a new pattern. Everybody, hatman doesn't have to stop
at the threshold. Crazy. Wow. Well, so anyways, you guys,
I want to remind you go to shadow folks dot

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com or Heidi Hollis dot com. Tell me your stories,
tell me what's going on out there. You know, every
other program I try to make the show be all
about your stories. And if you want to hop on
this show and tell me your stories, please let me
know that in the email. When you go to my website,
and if you have drawings, if you have photos, you

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are more than welcome to send us on over to
us here too. So Heidi Hollis at gmail dot com.
That's pretty easy, right, h E I D I H
L L L I S. I think that's that's pretty clear. Well,
the weather is changing over yonder where I'm at and
it's not pleasant me. No, like the cold. No h.

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So you guys stick around because we have a doctor
Simeon Hine coming on to speak about strange happenings around
strange things that makes sense, strange energy. How about that?
All right? You guys. You are listening to Dark Becomes
Light with Me Heidi Hollis on the iHeart Radio and
Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. You are listening

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to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi Hollis on the
iHeartRadio Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast network, as promise,
I have a fabulous guest. Simeon Hind, PhD, is the
director of the nonprofit Institute for Resonance in Boulder, Colorado.
The Institute is devoted to the study of subtle energy sciences,

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including remote viewing, circles, and related subjects. Doctor Hind has
a PhD in sociology and has previously taught research methodology
at Washington State University. So I'd like to welcome Simeon
Hind to the show. How are you doing today? There, Simeon,
I'm great, Heidi, how are you today? Fabulous? Oh my gosh.
You have such a fascinating background, and I always like

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to get to the bottom first, like what on Earth
caused you to look into these topics as you do? Well?
I guess one thing was, you know, when I was
eleven or twelve, my mom and I went birdwatching in
the Everglades. She took me down there from New York
and we saw a UFO right overhead that was really
strange looking, you know, moon sized with structure in it,

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and it definitely got me curious. The park ranger didn't
want to hear about it at the little get together
that they have at park services at night, and we
talked about it, but she just wasn't really interested, and
it sort of got my curiosity. Go at a very
young age, you know what else was out there? And
this is the early seventies, so yeah, oh fascinating. So

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you got a really good look at this thing. Can
you detect briefly what it looked like? I'm curious. Yeah,
we were. We were bird watching and down there and
I just looked overhead and I saw something that I
thought was the moon because it was greenish colored. It
was about the size of a full moon that you'd
see this time of year, you know, as it's coming
up over the horizon. But this was overhead and it

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was a morphous green like a cloud. But what we
both had binoculars and we both looked at it, and
there was structure within the cloud, perfectly round cloud, and
then there was some serious structure inside that formed a
z actually like zeta like of dots. And then as
soon as we started looking at it, it picked up.

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It just started moving fast into a cloud nearby and
was gone. And in my mind, I thought, oh, what
could that have been? Where near Cape canaveral Is, was
there a rocket misfire, you know, some sort of accident,
and then when we went to the ranger talk, there
was a blackout, so my mom raised her hand immediately
when the ranger asked what people had seen that day,

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you know, out in the Everglades, and my mom said,
we saw a UFO. Oh. The ranger said, that's very interesting.
Did anyone else see anything today? So she totally covered
it up, and my mom even went up after the
talk and said, no, we were serious, and the ranger said, oh,
you know, it was probably a weather balloon or some Oh,

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they did not go there. That's just they did not
go there. And the people next to us on the
bench at the empatheater had also seen it. So I
attribute that incident to getting curious of why we had
seen something unexplainable even at the age of eleven or twelve,
I had heard the word ufo, and why we had
what we had seen, and why the ranger wasn't interested

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in talking about it, given that, you know, we had
both seen it. So I think that's what happened. And
then I didn't have much contact with any of these
topics during school. I went all the way to PhD
in sociology and no one ever mentioned any of these topics.
I mean nothing, no remote viewing, no UFOs, psychic powers,

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you know, any of the topics that were all familiar
with now on this show. I hadn't heard anything about it.
But I had studied something called fractal geometry, and that
is the study of irregularly shaped objects like trees and
mountain ranges and hair and the way our lungs branch out,
you know, branching natural looking structures. And it did open

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media the idea that there could be phenomena that science
hadn't really caught onto yet. Since no one had really
caught onto the applications of fractals around nineteen ninety, it
was still sort of a newer idea before it got
used in things like JPEG pictures and satellite compression. It
was just an interesting idea, but it did alert me

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that there were probably things that science hadn't picked up
on yet. Yeah, like the subtle energy scientists. Can you
tell us a little bit about that? Right? Well, So,
shortly after getting you know, getting out of graduate school,
and I had been teaching statistics for a while at
Washington State University, I moved to Boulder, Colorado, and I

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heard someone talking about remote viewing, the idea of remote viewing,
and I was, you know, someone just straight out of
grad school, you know, partly skeptical, but partly open to
the idea that there could be phenomena that we hadn't
I hadn't heard about. And again the idea of a
chaos theory and fractals opened me up to the idea

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that there could be topics that would not would be real,
but weren't really being discussed as I found within social sciences.
So I took a class in RV and I was
really surprised that within you know, it was an eight
day class. I was really surprised that there were results
that really showed me and everyone else in the class

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that there was some sort of subterranean communication channel that
we were getting information from our minds were that didn't
have any obvious logical explanation. Yea, what do you think
that that kind of expresses that we are all connected somehow? Right?
It suggested that there was some sort of deeper connection

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between us and our environment, that information was getting exchanged
and you were able to accurately write it down or
draw a picture. You know, you wouldn't see the feedback
photo until maybe an hour later or half hour, depending
how long the session went, that you were getting this
information ahead of time, which suggested that you were getting
information from your future, or that your mind was like

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non local. I mean I really couldn't quite make sense
of it back then in nineteen ninety six, but I
could clearly see that, I mean, this was data. This
was evidence that this non local awareness was real, and
it got me interested enough to keep pursuing this, eventually
become a teacher of r V and getting involved in
this whole area of resonance as you as it's called

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kind of subtle energies, non local fields and so forth. Yeah,
for some reason, when you're talking about like this, you know,
our future or something, it's like like this fluid time thing,
Like it's almost swaying back and forth where you could
kind of poke your head a little bit, a little
bit of that, a little bit of this sideways backwards.

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It's it's it's fascinating science. It's something I personally have
not heard much of, right, It's not something that we
really discussed very much. It's considered some has some sort
of WOU factor associated with it. I mean, it seems
explainable in some ways by quantum mechanics, the idea of

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entanglement and so forth. I mean, this has been a
you know, quantum mechanics has been around for over one
hundred years. It's not like it's new, but the implications
of it for us still seem like something that's new.
And we don't have a lot of really good scientific
coverage of all these topics related to this subject at all.

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It's considered to be paranormal or you know, supernatural. We
have all these labels for it, but these topics all
seem to overlap. And we know this because even the
early research on remote viewing with Euriegeller at Stanford Research Institute,
you know, by how put Off and Russell targets. You

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can see this in that newer documentary called Third Ice Spies,
which is sort of a history of remote viewing in
the US. There were strange things happening around Eurie Yeller.
I mean that the researchers would see cryptids and UFOs
in their homes or in the laboratories where Urie was
working around. So even in the early days we could

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see there's some sort of unintended consequences of being around
people that are doing psychokinesis an RV. Yeah, that's my
next question. It's like, so you're you're able to apply
this understanding too the occurrences of cryptid's like a bigfoot
sighting and orbs. I mean, tell us a little bit

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about what that is that you've been observing and how
you're testing this out. I mean, it seems almost impossible,
but it's so new. I love it. No, it's a
really good question, Heidi. A lot of people who've taken
my RV classes here in Boulder, and I started teaching
it here like the next year in nineteen ninety seven.
I've been teaching it for twenty five years here in
Boulder ever since I saw that it was a really

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profound thing to be able to get this non local information,
describe things you haven't seen yet. I mean, it had
really good positive benefits on people that I could see
who had taken this type of training, just become more
aware of how you're processing information. But people that came
to my RV class is because I'm in Colorado would
talk about their bigfoot sightings over the years, and you

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would run into people at conferences who would tell you
about bigfoot encrypted sightings, and even though it wasn't something
I knew very much about, it, sort of the evidence
began to build and there was sort of a cumulative
effect on me to realize that this was an important topic,
that this was Heidi, that this was part of the
topic in an interesting way. In other words, it's not

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like something strange that just might be out there, that
sort of other worldly beings or entities that we don't
normally think of as part of our ordinary reality. They're
part of this larger makeup of this field of energy
information that we become aware of when we do RV,

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and that people who are interested in RV seemed to
have these encounters. I'm not sure if because of these
encounters they got interested in RV. That could be what happened, actually,
but it definitely was part and parcel of being an
RV instructor, which was to hear about this also getting
involved in crop circles. People would tell me about these
types of encounters with beings that didn't have an easy definition,

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and eventually I realized it's just really part of it's
part of the phenomena. I love that you're open minded
to that, because I find oftentimes at people who hone
in on one angle of supernatural elements. It's like a
ghost hunter that makes fun of a UFO hunter, you know.
And I'm like, come on, guys, really, you know what

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are we going with this? That makes no sense to
me because I find so much crossover and so much
connectivity between phenomena going on that it's hard to put
up the blinders. No, that's absolutely true. There's a lot
of crossover. And I had a conversation with Jacques Vallet
about this at one of the IRVA meetings since he
was involved with the early RV program back in the

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seven DC's the one who suggested using ordinance to Ingo
Swan and we were talking about this once and he said,
you know what they're not telling you is that a
lot of people that have had UFO encounters and this
type of contact luis unexplained aerial phenomena also have psychic
experiences even before the encounter. Absolutely, well, we got to

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get to our next break. We'll pick it up right there.
So much to take in and the cipher this is
so fascinating you guys, don't forget to go over to
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am Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right back
with more. Simeon Welcome back. You are listening to Dark

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Becomes Light with me Tidy Hollis on the iHeartRadio and
Coast to Coast They am Paranormal Podcast Network. I have
Simmey and Hine and we are speaking on the connectivity
between different types of phenomena from bigfoot to orbs and
UFO encounters and Simmey and what you're saying it is
so pronounced and everything that I ever come across that,

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you know, I'm speaking to somebody who's had UFO alien
encounters and they're like, and by the way, I think
I have a Poultu guy, So I'm like, what you know,
and it's they feel like they're going crazy, that human element, like,
it's just it must be maddening to somebody who never
thought to look into these topics. To be slammed with

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so much, and you try to relate to family members
or friends or co workers and they just roll their eyes.
And I find a lot of people are absolutely isolated
and feel alone in this. So how do you teach
your students and others that you come across in this field,
you know, how to see that connectivity with what you're
describing as subtle energy science. Well, this is something that

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sociologists know about, Heidi. It's called hidden events, and it's
not new. Sociologists know that there's things that people experience
that they don't want to talk about for fear of
ostracism and ridicule. What the UAP Task Force in their
report last year, we're still waiting for the report as
of this podcast, for the one that's due out now,

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but they identified sociocultural stigma as one of the main
barriers to you know, pilots in the Navy and Air
Force reporting their encounters. And so it's part of the
knowledge within social science is that there's reality beyond what
people are comfortable describing to their peers and colleagues and neighbors.

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And this is what you hear all the time with
people who experience what we call paranormal phenomena is that
they're afraid if they talk about what they saw out
in the woods behind their home, that they're going to
get laughed at by their neighbors. And they do. They
do get laughed at. They do. To me, I'm like,
so what, you know, I'll laugh right along with them
crack jokes. But you know, I'm gonna still talking about

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you have to you have to hire we can understand
this this world. You know what, it doesn't make sense
to me. Now there's a specific topic that you cover
when it comes to bigfoot, and you are noticing patterns.
We love patterns on this show. So yeah, so we
talk about patterns all the time. But you have noticed
that there is something that happens right before bigfoot encounters. Like,

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what are we talking about? Right and this is exactly
what we're talking about, Heidi. There's something that happens around
bigfoot encounters that also happens around UFL encounters, which is
a strange sort of silence that descends on the area
before people have their encounter with a bigfoot or other
type of crypto. And many witnesses I've spoken to they
say it's just the eeriest feeling you could imagine because

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the whole area becomes so quiet. And this doesn't happen
in every single big Foot encounter, but it happens in
lots of them. The insects even stop chirping. They'll take off,
they run for the hills. They're like, I'm out of here. Well,
the insects, normally, you wouldn't. I mean, it's understandable that
other mammals and birds might have a feeling of fear
if they're around a really you know, apex predator. They

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might just instinctively recognize that they're around something that could
eat them right right, right, Well, what about crickets. I mean,
you wouldn't think crickets would be afraid of bigfoot. It's
hard to find crickets, even one of them. They're they're
so good at being ventriloquious, right, you're like, where's that sounding? Right,
We'll imagine you're around thousands of them. They know how
to hide collectively by merging their resonance of their sound. Right,

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you can't locate them. So what it seems to be
is some sort of shift in space time where these
crypt did show up. I mean, this is what I'm
talking about in dark matter monsters These are not ordinary mammals. Okay,
I don't believe what we hear from anthropologists and so forth,
even the ones who've spoken about it. This is not
some escaped guerrilla or primate that's just a relic primate

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that's extremely rare, that it's left over from the last
Ice age or something like this. I mean, we're talking
about beings creatures that shift the structure of space time.
I mean, and in physics it's called permitivity. It's it's
the sort of the fundamental structure of space. There's a

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fundamental electrical constant there, and that seems to change around
UFO sightings and around cryptid encounters too, which would account
for why their insects can detect this. This is what
I'm sort of suggesting. Insects and other animals can detect
this change in permitivity, and it changes speed, you know,

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the way time works, the way the speed of light itself.
Even how put off we mentioned earlier, part of the
RV program spoke about this in Las Vegas at the
IRVA SSC meeting. He gave us an entire lecture about
how UFO materials, I mean, we're talking extraterrestrial materials as
he implied, could change the structure of space, time, change

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the speed of light, and so forth. So it's just
a really interesting science that's behind us. Yeah, it sounds
like it. Now there's another element that you're able to
explain when it comes to this invisibility element, when it
comes to the Bigfoot. I mean, what do you think
is going on with that? I mean this I've never
heard of somebody try to explain how that may occur, right,

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I know this is new for some people. But these beings, creatures,
whatever they turn out to be, they seem very human
in some respects. Also, they're very good at hiding from us.
They're very good at cloaking and creating invisibility, even portation.
And even though that might sound like science fiction, we

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know from looking at defense contractor patents that they're patenting
this technology right now based on exactly what you said
at the beginning of our discussion here. Quantum phenomena, quantum mechanics.
There are names for these quantum phenomena, ones called the
Arondhof Bom effect and created in the fifties by physicists

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about how you can create non local effects, how you
can create teleportation and cloaking invisibility. So I'm suggesting that
if defense contractors are patenting this, why would we assume
that we're the first ones to figure this out on
planet Earth. Maybe the beings that can be for us
that figured this out, find it to their advantage to

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be invisible. Right, Maybe they don't want to encounter us
all the time. I mean, we don't want to encounter
each other all the time. Maybe they just like to
avoid us for right, look at the state of the planet.
So maybe they say, look, we don't want to be
in contact with humans most of the time. I think honestly,
these are beings. They're around us, and they're extremely good

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at being invisible. I don't want to panic people or anything,
but they're around and if they want to show up,
they can't. And if they don't want to, they can
go into other you know, dimensional spaces for lack of
a better word, where we won't see them. They'll be there,
but you won't notice that they're there. No, you panic
people when you say and they're very hungry and they
can hide and sometimes they are okay. Sometimes yes, I've

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heard stories. It's like, oh man, this is not a
good thing, but yeah, you know, it's when you think
about moths and how they're able to blend in so
the birds don't get them. I mean, of course, you know,
it's like this is just natural, and but yeah, it's
kind of kind of spooky though, to think that there's
something that might be smarter than us, that's lurking and yeah,

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it does get hungry, and yeah it does hunt. Yeah
you know, so yeah, absolutely, yeah, no, Hidi, this is
a really challenging topic to talk about, I mean, because
it suggests and it's a big egobuster for I guess
for us humans who think we're at the top of
the food chain, maybe we're not, and maybe there's other
creatures around that are more intelligent than we are in

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some ways, at least in terms of their street smarts,
you know, their forest smarts, and that they're there. They
can do things that you and I maybe can't do
as easily, you know, like become invisible. Maybe they're natural
PK artists. You know, people that I know that can
do PK had to train for a while to do it.
And of course we know of natural psychics, but maybe

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these beings just know how to do these things. They
have these skills to an nth degree farther than we do.
Don't have to take RV classes, do you know what
I mean? And if they existed like this, they wouldn't
give their position away at all. Why would they wouldn't
help them? It gives them an advantage to stay in.
And by the way, we have some very good work

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coming from people that have worked at the Defense and
Intelligence Agency, James Lakatski who wrote that book Skinwalkers at
the Pentagon, which I'm sure you've heard of them, Yeah,
I mean, so he's talking about them seeing cryptids out
there werewolves, dogmen, wouldever you want to call it, and
then seeing it back when they went back to their
suburban homes in Maryland, you know, like it's not that

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it followed them home. I don't believe that. I'm not
actually a believer in the hitchhiker effect. Those entities are
around all the time. You just became more sensitive to it.
Probably going out there's a place like Skinwalker Rant and
studying these phenomena. Definitely, you know, I think we might
be their refrigerator or a grocery store for all we know.

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Possibly so disturbing to think about, but in all honesty,
I mean, you gotta wonder because I've had regular folks
that would come to my meetings and say, okay, so
I never ever experienced anything in my life, but oh
my gosh, I was at a prayer meeting and I
looked up and there's this reptilian sitting there in a

(36:02):
woman's dress, you know, and it's like the way that
you know, people get introduced to this, this real world,
I can really disrupt a lot. No, it's true, and
you know you're bringing back. Something I should mention is
that one of the RV students I worked with back
in the early nineties, even in the you know, the
early days of it, he said he went home and

(36:23):
encountered a reptilian in his home. And at the time,
you have to imagine twenty five years ago, I had
a little trouble understanding how the two could be connected.
But now it makes a lot more sense. Is that
this there's other you know, there's parallel realities around us,
and most of the time you don't experience it, but
sometimes it sort of bleeds through to our reality, and
doing RV makes you more sensitive other life forms. Yeah. Absolutely,

(36:47):
I had a group that I ran for fifteen years.
People come just because they're curious. Oftentimes by the next meeting,
they'd seen something so often and I'm like, you know,
what is this a contagion? You know? But like you said,
you know, people become aware and I don't know, they
look into those nooks and crannies or and it looks
back maybe you know, it's fascinating, right. I think it's

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going to be one of the biggest shocks to our
society to realize that we're their life forms around us
that were we haven't been told about, but they're there.
Oh gosh, yeah, I mean our government taken the steps
forward that they have. You know, I don't have a
whole lot of faith in it because they're not doing
it out of the kindness of their hearts. There's an agenda.
Everybody knows, you know. It's like, okay, hold on, you've

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harassed me and my friends for years and acted like
nothing was going on, and all of a sudden, oh
guess what, guys, look up? You know, Oh, look around.
You're required to report these things. Now if you're flying
a plane, what's yeah? You mean it wasn't no weather
balloon after all? Yeah, all this hubbub man. I'm like,
I don't trust. How about ice crystals. Oh, that's a

(37:52):
lacting through the winch. I know, Heidi, this is exactly
what it's like. We've been creating what I'm You know,
I guess people in your profession called intellectual alibi, which
are excuses for not dealing with what people are really encountering.
You know, and you could say it was just flocks
of geese or something bouncing off. I love that. I
should use that right if we gotta get to her

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next break, intellectual alibis. Oh my gosh. All right, you guys.
You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi
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(38:39):
You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me, Heidi
Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal Podcast Network. So I have Simon hin On here
and we are talking about the good stuff intellectual alibis.
You know, you know something that you mentioned about natural psychics,

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So remote viewing is kind of playing upon our natural abilities,
but it's not being a natural psychic. I have some
good friends that are really like unbelievable. You know, their
abilities are like not human and I'm like but and
the remote viewing is just like a cench for them.
So how do you get people to a level of

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success with remote viewing? To open up? No, it's a
good question. There are some people that are naturals at it,
and most of us need some sort of training. And
the reason we need training is we're just so used
to editing out are thinking. RV teaches you not to
edit out your perceptions during a session. That's the main

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rule in RV, don't edit anything out. And in the
CRV system, the written system invented by Ingo Swan that
I use and teach, you know, people, you're taught where
to write things down on the page to separate signals
from noise, and the noise goes in one part of
the page and the signal goes on another part. So
it's learning not to edit out these these perceptions that

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we get of non local information are very subtle and
they're pretty fleeting. They disappear pretty quickly. So it's learning
to be like I say, like a psychic detective of yourself,
which is learning not to edit things out as much
as we're trained to do in school. Oh okay, all right,
that is kind of hard to turn off because that's

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all we do all day is right perport our surroundings,
what we're experiencing. But you're teaching them to let go. Huh,
we'll write it down at least and don't judge it,
and we'll look at it at the end of the session.
You get to take a look at it and decide
is this part of the target or is this noise?
But during the session you don't know, So you just

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have to write everything down or you'll edit out all
the real target contact because it's very subtle. And yeah,
it's challenging people. You can do it, but I mean,
ever since we were in first grade, I think we
were taught to start editing and deleting things that don't
fit our social consensus. That's what socialization is. It's not
a bad thing. It's just a limiting thing. It limits

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our perception and if you want to retrain yourself, you
need to learn to listen to all of those signals
that you're getting. At least during the session, you know,
and then you're done with the session and you kind
of become an ordinary person again. I think I was like,
drop everything you've ever learned, stop judging, and just roll
with it, Like oh sure, like that's easy, but I
could see why you need instructions on how to go

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about right right, yeah, because that's not an easy feat
for most people. One of the things that you cover
is one of my favorite topics as well, of the
strange crop circles. Yeah, you know there's there's of course
a lot of fake ones, but then there's those authentic
ones where you know there's changes, there's there's things that
are left behind, and one of them you're noticing an

(41:53):
electromagnetic effect. What are you finding with that? Right? This
was one of the real interesting findings. I learned about
crop circles because they were in some of our targets
r V targets, and I didn't know what they were
in nineteen ninety six, so I really thought I should
go over there. I went on a crop circle tour,
and this is something I've been doing ever since ninety seven.

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It's going over there as much as possibly even giving
my own tours. And we've found that you get batterying
camera failure around these crop circles. I'd heard about this,
but I wanted to see it for myself. And oh,
I've seen it in spades, multiple devices, you know, going
you know, giving you error signals, battery fails, just kind
of going on the fritz, as we would say, even

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even to the extent of camcorders melting on the inside
when they're put down on our crop circle. And this
has to do with the shape of the circle and
something about its ability to organize the background energy that
we're around. Even what I'd suggests it's lensing and focusing
dark matter. And so the crop circles did something I

(43:02):
never expected, but I never would have thought that happened
around cryptids too, And it does. People report their batteries
and cameras failing around big Foot sightings encounters. I've talked
to some of these witnesses, so it seems I was
really surprised that you think at the same phenomena happening
around both bigfoot and crop circles, what you would think
would be separate topics. So I would disagree slightly. It's

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not that the ones that are man made are fake.
I mean, they're made by people, but they could have
real energy too if the shapes are really precise. Ol. Yeah,
because the artists that do that, and I got to
know them, and I wrote about this and Opening Minds.
My first book was that the circle makers that I met,
I'm not saying they're all like this, we're pretty serious

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about making circles that had what they called natural magic.
So they even were aware that somehow the shape itself
could focus energy in lens energy in an interesting way
that you could feel in your body or certainly your
camera and camcorders would react to it. So to me,

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they're all real, even the man made ones. If they're
you know, made with the correct intention and they have
you know, a precision to them, they're going to have
real effects. Oh no, that's another thought too. It's like,
so the right intention, it's like there's power behind words
even and there's power against the strokes of your guitar.

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You're a musician, so it's like, you know, to feel
a passion right right, it's if it has a resonance,
it's got the resonance and you know from the whole
area called psymatics. I'm sure our listeners have heard of
that before, that shapes can create energy, and energy create shapes,
and it's so it's sort of energy can change forms,
and it can do it through crop circles and patterns

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that are that shape. You know. Art Belt himself asked
me years ago during one of these interviews, if we
put smoke around a crop circle, would spot go into
a spiral? Isn't it a great question? Oh? Has it
been experimented to be I haven't actually done it out
there in the fields. There's just so many different conditions.

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You're dealing with wind, and you're on some farmers land.
They may not want you out there very long. But
it's definitely a good experiment. It's the right idea. I
think Art had the right idea, which is that the
shape itself regardless of who made it. And I'm not
saying that UFOs haven't made bunches of them, because I've
spoken to witnesses who've seen that something like that. They've
seen flying discs and so forth affect plants right beneath them,

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so that there's definitely a connection there, and witnesses who've
seen that over the years. But the people side of
it was interesting, and even the human made ones had
very interesting energy. Heid We even made some ourselves, paying
the farmers ahead of time and doing our own experimental formations.
We'd put a sign up saying this is man made experiment,
and people didn't believe it. They said, no, it looks

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too good. WoT yeah, yeah. That Again the sociology side
of it is sometimes all of us can get too
rigid in our beliefs about any of these phenomena and think,
you know, I'm right and there's no way it could
be man made. But reality is always more complex than
any of us sort of think it is right, right,

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And what's this about a Midwestern town that had some
kind of short term total electric magnetic could collapse happened there?
So this is interesting in researching these topics where you
get these sort of shifts in space time and strange
effects on cameras and batteries. Someone that worked in the
Department of Defense told me of a story which he
gave me permission to share in Dark Matter Monsters. And

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you know in interviews that the Pentagon has programs that
monitor our airspace for weird electromagnetic signals, and he said
that back in the sixties, they detected a town in
the Midwest that had a complete electromagnetic collapse for twenty
four hours, where electricity stopped working even in batteries and watches,

(47:08):
and they never could explain it. He initially suggested to
me they thought it might have been caused by a
UFO over the town, but they could never determine what
caused it, and they were of course alarmed by it too. However,
they monitored this. He didn't tell me how they actually
detect these things. But it was a small town, but
he said, all your cars wouldn't start and so forth

(47:29):
for a whole day, and the people there must have
really wondered what was going on, because this individual told
me they didn't even call the town and tell them
what was going on. They were just monitoring it from
a distance, which sort of interesting in of itself. Yeah,
thanks a lot, guys who are paying your pills, but
we're not going to tell you what's going on over there.
You're on your own under the dome and like, yeah,

(47:54):
poke a stick at people. That's crazy. How would you
explain that? Then, Like somebody like myself, and they're others
too that have experienced odd phenomenon, we tend to blow
things up. I just had a MacBook pro do that
to me. I'm not kidding you. Two days ago. It's
brand new, it's thirty days old. Thank god, it's under
the warranty, so I had to return it and I'm
getting a new one. So but this is like constant.

(48:16):
My new iPhone did the same thing. You know. It's
it's just a problem. How do you explain that what's
going on? There are number of possible explanations. And Heidia,
I've known people like this too. I was around her
friend once who was really good at r V and
at the glass just cracked right in front of her.
She wasn't even touching it, and she told me that
things like this happened around her, and then I saw it.

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You know, but in cases like this, I mean, this
has happened all over the world from time to time.
Even in the Soviet Union, they noticed this happening, that
strange things happening over towns, a gravitational changes that you know,
that just could not be explained, that lasted for a
few minutes, you know. Doctor Alexander Parkamoff, who is a

(48:58):
former Soviet scientist, wrote about this, and he he suggested
it was due to small black holes coming into the atmosphere,
which again would affect permativity structure of space. But that's
what they thought was happening over there. I'm living in
a black hole. Well, how can people get a hold
of your books and get more information about what you're doing? Well? Thanks, Well,

(49:19):
my blog is Newcrystalmine dot com and I'm happy to
send coast listeners, you know, sign copies of any of
my books Dark Matter Monsters or Opening Minds or Black
Swan Ghost, which is about my contact with UFO witnesses
over the years. Again from RV classes and so forth
crop circles, So feel free to go to newcrystal Mine

(49:40):
dot com. Also, I do teach RV classes from time
to time and having them online, so feel free to
focus on that to look into that. Simeon Hind, thank
you so much for coming on the program today. This
was fascinating. Thanks. Hey, this is a lot of fun.
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