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Welcome to my show. Remember each week this is the
place you go to when you want to hear the
latest and hear normal hour. I'm talking about your neighbor
down the street, your best friend, your dad, whomever it is.
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They are experiencing things out of the ordinary. Guess what
they call me. They send their emails and their stories
of their heartfelt words to Heidecollis dot com or shadow
Folks dot com. That's for those of you who do
not know what spell my name, and they stose all
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those words and every little detail that they because they
come to the form that I have there. And what
I do then is I share it here on the program. Oh.
I want to encourage you guys to all go there
and fill out that form. Tell me what's going on
out there in the world, from angels to aliens, shadow
people to the hat man, anything and everything out of ordinary.
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I have had people that write about certain things concerning crystals, bigfoot,
were wolves, you would name it, near death experiences. I mean,
why limit it. It's all connected. So let's go there, Mom,
wells going there. But anyways, you can hear in my voice,
I'm a little bit sick. I'm overcoming some bad cooties.
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But it's okay, it's okay. I gotta tell you too.
Today you're in for quite the treat I have. Lester
Villez is going to be on the program today. Oh yes,
and what is he going to speak on? Opus? The
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Organization for paranormal understanding and support. Did you guys even
know such a thing existed? I know, I didn't know
for a very long time. They're very, very, very long time.
So we're going to get into that and what that's
all about. What inspired him to do this and create
this organization and pull people together to do what help
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each other understand what's going on out there when it
comes to these things out of the ordinary. It's so
very important. And if we don't come together, how are
we going to learn? I keep telling people like, let
me sit here with this unbelievable story and just hoard it.
You know, people are like, what got you to get
out here and speak on these things? Well, let's see.
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I grew up in a family where we didn't see,
we weren't shy, we were not shy about what it
is that we're experiencing because we're experiencing it right alongside
of each other. And we treated horror movies like therapeutic sessions.
And I'm not kidding, like a movie wasn't a movie
unless it was scary. And that's how we got to
understand that. People understood the possibilities out there, what can happen?
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And I was healing. It sounds crazy, but it was healing,
and we were very, very very thankful that we didn't
experience anything like the Exorcist movie. That's all I could
tell you, because you know, it's really isolating when you
experience these things, and I don't know how to stress that.
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It's so isolating. It could turn your world upside down.
And if you don't have the support of friends or
family or somebody around you, it could be absolutely depressing
and you feel, you know, oppressed, and then you get possessed.
It's it's sad. It's sad, and I hate hearing about it.
I hate knowing these things are going on out there.
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So I took the step forward to use me my
life as an example of strange things can happen to regular,
everyday people, and we can find answers, we can find resolution.
We do not have to take what comes at us. No, don't.
We don't have to always. Uh. It makes me so um,
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I don't even know, it's just this boiling in me
when I hear people are like absolutely just feeling like victims,
and I get it. It's probably because they don't have
the support and and you know who the heck wakes
up one day, it's like, you know, I'm going to
look into some demons today and see how to fight them. No,
I mean, it's not a it's not a thing, you know,
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but a necessity. And when you're you're in the whole
aura of fear, you really don't see a way out.
And we're all about bringing dark into the light, right
m dark become light? Uh huh, so don't mind me, um,
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but yeah, that's a whole goal. And uh, you know,
before I go on to um introducing our wonderful guests today,
I have an email and it looks like it's short
and sweet. So we'll see where this one brings us. Okay,
and this one says Cecy. Well, it's interesting. First name Karen,
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and she begins and says, dear Heidi, I had a
bad dream and woke up to this weird pattern on
my ceiling. Okay, it was a shadow and looked like
a doily of all things. You guys know what a
doili is, right, And its really highly patterned little stitchery
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that everybody's grandmother or stepmother made, as my stepmother did.
Its kind of interesting. So the first thing that comes
to mind when I think of doili's as those stringy
patterns that were made in my home growing up. All right,
and she continues, and I prayed it away. I rebuked
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it in the name of Jesus Christ. Well, all right, girlfriend,
and it slowly faded. Mm. One lady told me I
or really I opened a portal, but I don't know
how I did that. Strange that. That's that's the end
of the email. Um hmm okay, So there's a lot
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too to believe it or not to unpack here. Uh
why Well, first off, the thing that made me reflect
on a on an incident that I personally had was
with shadow orb looking things, right, and they kind of
rose up to the ceiling and like as kind of
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you know, wishing praying these things away, they slowly faded.
So it's interesting that you're you're talking about a weird
pattern on you and you're ceiling like that, and how
it slowly faded away. But when I'm I'm reading this
and how you rebuked it in the name of Jesus,
I would say, sprinkle from Jesus on it. That's my
that's my slogan. I wonder if anybody is steal that
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one now, um um, if something's too good and people
take it. It's like I have to get into something
on that actually, um but yeah, um, but it's it's
just uh, it's one of those those things that sprinkling
some Jesus on it helps and and if it faded away,
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it couldn't have been good. Right, So it was black,
and we associate something shadowed as being negative. Right, So
good on you too, sprinkle some Jesus on it. But
this part here, this is what bothers me. One lady
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told me I opened a portal, but you don't know how. Um,
he didn't write about it, So I'm assuming you really
don't know how. I mean, you didn't put that one
day you played with a Wigia Borrigin, didn't put that
one day you thought, I'm just going to try this
incantation and see if the devil shows up. You didn't
mention any of that, so I'm assuming nothing was clear
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to you and you just put the words strange. I mean,
that is strange. What's most strange is that somebody told
you that. How do they know you well enough to say, yep,
you did it. I don't know you well enough to
say that. I'm not a psychic. I don't know if
the person that you're you're speaking of as a psychic.
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But either way, why why go there? Why say you
did it? That's your fault. You earned that, you know.
It's like I don't, I don't get that. I think
that was kind of wrong. I think that was a
cheap shot, like, oh, well you did it yourself, so
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so oh well, It's like sometimes things just come leaking
into a person's home through the neighbor, or somebody that
delivered a package had some nasty mojo on them. These
things happen, Or you were out at the good will
and picked up something and it had some stink on
it that was dark. It could have been haunted doily
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for all we know. That's funny. Let's hope not though.
I mean anything could be haunted, really, anything could be haunted.
Why not? I mean, you just don't know who it
was that owned something prior or if they use that
black marker to draw a pentagram. We don't know. We
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don't know. Oh that makes me think, never pick up
somebody's pen anymore or marker. But honestly, we don't. So
to say that it it was you, there is no way
to know that. And what a strange thing to have
such a pattern on your wall, believe it or not.
Though I did see somebody that had an odd pattern
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on their skin, but it was from what they thought
was an alien encounter. But it kind of looked like
a strange little doily pattern. Actually, I've seen a couple
of those, ye, a couple of those, and one in person.
And the one girl, she was just so freaked like
what is this? Why is this on me? And I
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don't know. I'm not a psychic, but I sure wouldn't
say you did it to yourself. You probably created a
portal on your skin. So anyways, Ceci, I want to
thank you for writing me and something I want to
get to, um you know I did. I did a
show not too long ago, and the question was asked
to me that you know, wow, it's controversial that you
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trademarked shadow people. I'm like, it is. Have I heard that?
Haven't hear anybody complain about that? And they're like, oh,
I guess I've just talked to certain people. And I'm like, really, oh,
well why it's like, well, because it's such a common thing.
And I briefly told them, I said, well, you know,
straight out of college instead of practicing as a there
for five years. I packed up my friends into a
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van and we drove across country with my self published book.
I wrote ninety seven and nobody would publish. So I
finally got published four years later in two thousand and one,
and I was out there talking and nobody invited me
to these conferences I would go to until it was
open mic time. I'd go up on the stage after
I was renting a table there and sell my books
there independently and grab the open mic and just say
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my truth. And it got popular, and I started coming
on coast to coast am for twenty plus years. So
if people know about the Shadow People and the hat Man,
you're welcome. It's like, should Stanley apologize that Spider Man
got popular? Saw? That's where I'm going. So anyways, I
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just hard to share that because it was the first
I'd heard that, so fascinating. Well, you guys, guess what
we are in for a treat because we have Lester
the les coming here on the program, and we're going
to dive into a whole lot of interesting topics. All right,
you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me. Heidi
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Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast. They
am Paranormal Podcast Network. Crowd, be right there, welcome back.
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You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi
Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coach the Coast. I
am Paranormal Podcast Network And as promised, I have a
fabulous guest. I have Lester of a Lez who is
a graduate of the University of Vermont with a bachelor's
science degree in business a ministry. Beginning in September of
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nineteen seventy, he starved in the US Army as a
field artillery officer and was later vice president of the
Lascomb Engineering I could be saying that wrong, Silicon Valley
Base manufacturer's representative company. He joined MOUF on the mutual
UFO network in nineteen ninety one and has held the
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following positions. He was a field investigator, training coordinator for
field investigators, the assistant state director in Northern California, chairman
of the ae ARC, which is the Abduction Experiencer Research Committee,
and the team leader of AART which is the abduction
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Response team. And also during that time he became a
facilitator for an abduction support group in San Jose, California,
and in nineteen ninety four he co founded OPUS, which
is the Organization for Paranormal Understanding and Support, a very
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well respected group, I must say so, I'd like to
welcome Les Viles to the show. How are you doing today? There? Les? Great?
Heidi is so happy to be with you today. Yeah. Same,
My gosh, you're I'm gonna say it right here now.
You are a super duper paranormal pioneer of sorts. I mean,
if it hadn't been told to you before, as you
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mentioned before we got on here, you know it now
and I recognize it. Thank you so much, honestly, I mean, gosh,
the Opus. Okay, please tell us a bit about that,
and why on earth did you get involved in doing
such a thing. Well. OPUS stands for the Organization for
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Paranormal Understanding and Support, and it came about actually first
got started in nineteen ninety four, and we're a nonprofit
organization recognized by the IRS, and our mission simply put
us to help people having paranormal experiences. And we, you know,
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we have put together a team that has been able
to really give people that are having these types of
experiences the help that they need, and we do this
through three different ways. Now. The first way is that
we have an online confidential support group and we have
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over three hundred people from around the world that are
talking to one another twenty four to seven, telling their stories,
asking their questions. And then we have a referral network
of mental health practitioners hypnotherapists. And then the third thing
that we've just reach brought on board is a group
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called the Experience or support team, and these are people
that have a lot of experience working with experiencers and
they it's sort of a triage type of a team
where they then talk to these people and find out,
you know, even if they've mentioned the fact that they
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would like to be put into the support group, but
we verify the fact that, you know, that's maybe the
best place for them to be um So this has
proved to be very beneficial for these people, especially the
support group. Knowing that they're not alone is such a
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such a great relief for these people because you know,
most of the time they think that they're totally alone,
that you know, this is not happening to anybody else,
because of course they they're afraid to talk to their
family members or clergy or you know, they're workmates. It's
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the kind of thing that they're afraid that people will
think you're crazy. And a lot of these people have
gone to therapists and found out that they're not crazy.
So then what what do they do then? And that's
what we basically have provided these people a place where
they can go. And our website is Opus network dot org.
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And you know, if you're having you know, poltergeist activity,
contact with non human intelligences, spiritual awakening, things of that nature,
we can point you in the right direction or give
you help immediately from our site. That's amazing. You know,
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I sure could have used you back in the day.
That's all I'm going to say. They're less because man,
I was dealing with these shadowy things that I called
addle people, and I'd seen UFOs. I had experienced seeing
some beings in my home. Luckily I wasn't paralyzed, but
I had a little run in with them, you know,
and lived in a haunted house, dealt with poultr Geys
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on a body and it was confusing, you know. And uh,
I became a therapist myself and wrote my first book
while I was in college in ninety seven, and it
was one of those those those seeking things. I kept,
you know, trying to connect the dots and then make
it okay. Started a group. You know. It's like back
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in the day, you couldn't just hit a button online
and go I need help, you know, you had to
actually get out of your seat and go look for it.
And you did that in a big way, and then
you spread the joy. So I mean super applause to you,
because I mean you're super ahead of your time. Well,
you know, people ask me, you know, like why how
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did this. I'll get started for you, and I have
to back up to when I was eleven years old,
and this is when I lived in Connecticut and I
was coming in the house. It was a late October
evening and I saw this object. It was hovering over
this tree line, no no sound whatsoever, and it scared
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the hell out of me. And I ran in the house,
tried to get my father to come out, and I
finally he finally did come out, and it was gone
by then, and he says, well, it's probably just a
beacon of light reflecting off a cloud. Well I didn't
buy that, and I started reading books by Georgia Damski
back in those days, and who talked about the Venusians
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and things of that nature, and so, uh, you know, I,
like I say, I was really into it for a while.
But then, you know, I got older and I went
off to college, and then I venture on graduation, got
married and went in the service. I went through the
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ROTC program and eventually had a couple of children. In
the nineteen eighty five, moved from Connecticut to California, and
I picked up the paper one day, the San joseber
Cary News as it was called back then, and Stanton
Freeman was going to talk about UFOs and the government
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cover up. And it was like somebody threw a switch.
It was like, oh my god, this is you know this.
I've got to go see this guy. And so I
peers right, Oh my god, yes, fantastic man. Unfortunately he's
gone now too, and so he gave one of his
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inimitable presentations, and I was really excited. And on my
way out, this organization called mouf On Mutual UFO Network
had a table there and so they produce a monthly journal,
and so I decided, I'm going to start getting a
journal which talks about UFO sightings and investigations that they do,
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and so that was okay for a while, but then
I finally decided I wanted to become a field investigator,
and I passed the test and started to go out
in the field with a more seasoned person. But all
the cases, almost without exception, turned out to be not
only sightings, but these people telling us that they've had
contact with non human intelligences, and so that really started
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to get my interest. And then these people would ask
me did I know of other people having similar circumstances,
and I said, yes, I do. And so next thing
I'm doing, I'm facilitating a support group in San Jose
and my office. So yeah, amazing, it's amazing. And you
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started to find that a lot of these uh things
that that people were reporting were interconnected. I mean, because
you don't just stop at one type of experience, you're
kind of open up the discussion for everything. Correct absolutely,
and and that that is, you know, I firmly believe
that all these things are connected, whether you talk about
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shadow people, whether you talk about light beings orbs, grays um,
this whole realm. You know, once you go down that
rabbit hole, it's it's pretty incredible, and uh, you know,
these people are telling you stories that you know, in
balance are very similar, but then they have all kinds
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of nuances with it. And but the bottom line is
they're having some type of inexperience, whether it might be
out of body type of experience you know, astral travel,
if you will, but or physical physical experiences that manifest
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and marks on the body, implants and things of that nature.
Right exactly, you know, mentioning the shadow people from the start,
I've discussed their connection directly to some of these alien
beings and how they've been seen right alongside of them.
Sometimes have you come across stories like that in that
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particular case, I don't think so, but I would believe
that it's totally possible that these things interact with one another.
It could be you know a lot of times that
you hear about the fact that a person has brought
on board a craft by a small gray and then
there's a large gray there. But then there's a man
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this type of a creature that may be there as well,
or a Nordic or a man in military uniform. I mean,
this thing starts to really, you know, multiply as far
as the people that are involved with it. So I
would certainly believe that that is possible that you have
two different entities that are interacting, and you know, are
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they all good? Are they all bad? I think we
have both. I think you have even within species, you
have good ones and you have bad ones. You've been
on this planet. How about that? Yeah, exactly, it is
exactly the same thing. Human's got issues. Well, we've got
to get to our next break. You are listening to
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We'll be right back. Welcome back. You are listening to
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Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast ay AM para normal podcast network.
I have less Valez and we are speaking on everything
out of the ordinary and how Opus has helped so
many people from so many walks of life. I'm curious
if you've had people who have come to you about
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such things as near death experiences or angelic encounters and
what's that's been like. Well, it's interesting that you brought
that up, because most of a lot of the people
that do come to us talk about having had a
near death experience. There's a story I want to tell
you about. It relates to how Opus got started, but
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it goes back into near death experience question. I had
been written up in the Monterey Coast Weekly paper. This
reporter had talked to Mouf on hit quarters and asked
if for the name of someone that he could talk
to about the UFO thing. And so they evidently gave
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this reporter my name. He came out, he interviewed me
and ended up putting my head on it. I mean,
it was really weird, my head on the front cover
of this weekly paper. In that same article, there was
a woman that was written up with her capabilities that
she had, and she contacted me said to me, I'd
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like to understand what's going on with my brain waves
when I'm in contact with these off earthly entities. You know.
I kind of scratched my head figuratively and saying, well,
you know, how am I going to possibly help this person?
And then she said she was working with an emergency
room doctor don and Carmel, And so that really piqued
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my interest because I had a doctor friend by the
name of Eugene Lipson that was interesting, and meeting other doctors,
I called them up and I said, you know, why
don't we take a trip down and visit with this
lady and see see what we could possibly do or
to better understand what it is that's happening to her.
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So we did, and as we walked into her home,
there was a picture on the wall and it was
her standing on the back of this boat, a rather
large vessel, and I said, what's this all about. Well,
that was when I was down in the Caribbean helping
these treasure hunters. And I said what, yeah, I was
helping these treasures. Well, how are you helping them? Just
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while I was in contact with the captain of the
galleon that had gone down. So that, of course kind
of blew us away. And what we came to find
out that after a near death experience, she had become
very psychic, and so she began to tell us things
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about ourselves that afternoon. That there was no possible way
that she could know that because she didn't know us
from Adam, you know, and the article didn't say anything
about my background other than you know, my involvement with
move On. So yeah, so we came away that afternoon,
and we stopped at a Hamburger joint and decided, how
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can we possibly help people like this? And because we
were you know, I had already been doing the support
group in San Jose and and and Jean was doing
some similar things up in his area. And so that
was the afternoon that opus was hatched. The rest is history,
so to speak, but near death experiences does come up
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a lot that afterwards people become very psychic. They have
a whole different worldview afterwards, especially with the contacts that
they make during these experiences. Another doctor, and you might
have heard of this story. She was taking a kayaking
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adventure down South America and she went over this falls
and got trapped at the bottom of the falls for
over thirty minutes. And during that time she saw these
entities and she felt this incredible love coming her way,
and so she decided that she wanted to go with them.
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And then they said no, no, no no, you have things
that you have to do. You have to go back,
and she survived. One of the things that these entities
also told her was that her son, who was little
at the time, when he turned eighteen, would succumb, would die.
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Of course, that shook her up quite a bit, but
she never said anything to her son, and because she
probably didn't believe it. Anyway, when he turned eighteen, shortly thereafter,
he got in a car accident and died. So I
mean near death psychic abilities, involvement with entities, healings that
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go on when you when you are in contact with them. Uh,
you know, I don't know if you know the name
major Major. Oh goodness, I'm losing it right now. Anyway,
he was in charge of the malsterm Air Force Base
when all the missiles were shut down, and he was
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at a presentation that I made at the move On
symposium two years ago in Las Vegas. This was an
experiencer's meeting, and he brought his wife along with him,
And after I did the presentation, he came up to
me and said, can I talk to you, you know,
in private afterwards? And so I said sure, um, And
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and I was sitting at my table in an exhibitor
area hawking my book. I wish, well, we'll talk about
the unknown other and he tells me that he had
an experience along with his wife, and when they came
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back after this experience, she was able to heal people.
The ability to heal was not only something that happens
with you, but you can also become a healer. So
how do these things happen? You know, we don't understand
so much about this phenomena, and yeah it is. And
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you know, you have the majority of people that are
having these experience, it's probably seventy percent or so that
want these experiences to continue. Certainly, in the beginning, all
these experiencers are quite traumatic, but there's a process that
goes on and then eventually they become accustomed to it,
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and then when it stops, it's almost like the Stockholm syndrome.
It's like, where did they go? Why aren't they coming
back from me? And so that that's some interesting things
and one of the other things that Opus does. We're
in a process of doing another research project. We did
the first one back in two thousand and seven, which
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was funded by Moufon called the Omega three study, where
we took seventy one experiencers and fifty one people that
were a control group, and we basically had them take
various psychological tests and came away with the fact that
these people did not have a psychopathology. Their worldview changes dramatically.
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In other words, Hey, we need to be better stewards
of the it, we need to be better to one another,
we need to be more loving. These are all wonderful,
wonderful things. And there's also changes in the temporal lobe
activity versus the control group, and that's another factor that
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I think is being looked at by some scientists at
the present time trying to better understand how that is
part of this process. And now we're in the second
phase of the Omega four study. The first phase was
where we went out to therapists and had them take
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this survey and we came away with some interesting information
there too, which is actually published on our website. And
number one, most activity does involve the grave as far
as contact with non human intelligences. The second thing that
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comes up is orbs. People talk about orbs. Third, the
third thing that comes up is interdimensionals. And then the
fourth thing that comes up is poulter geist activity. And
poltergeist activity can take the form of a lot of
different things, shadow people probably along with it. So yeah,
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it's fascinating. There's so many nooks and crannies to investigate
in all this, but the bottom line, there's something going on.
These people are not crazy, And you know the big question,
what is it? Is it extraterrestrial in nature? Is it
interdimensional in nature? Is it time travelers? Is it the military?
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Or is it all the above, which I kind of
think it is and probably anything else you can possibly
think of, right, you know. One of the question that
I have when it comes to the alien beings. I mean,
there's a lot of gray involvement. But I have heard
and witness myself people that absolutely went through so many
horrible experiences with these beings, and then they would teach them,
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you know, something positive, and they're like, um, okay, I
wanted to kill them before, but now they're teaching me things.
So I guess I'm okay with it. And I'm like,
hold on, you slep with a gun under your pillow,
I remember you, you know. So, do you think there's
a conflict and alien contact? Are they masking themselves to
appear as one thing so you let your guard down,
they take advantage, and then they reward you with a
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cookie or something. I mean, what's going on if? Yeah? Yeah,
it's the old carrot and stick of philosophy, right, Yeah.
I think what it is is that It depends on
the group that you're dealing with. I think i've you know,
there's both sides of this story, you know. You know,
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if you believe they're greer, uh, that they believe everything
is positive, no, no issues, and then you have the
the uh, the David Jacobs and Bud Hopkins that said
they're all bad. It's a mixture. It's absolutely a mixture.
And so it's very difficult, you know too. And again,
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based on our studies and other studies that have gone
on the Free study, for instance, most of the people
are coming away with with positive feelings about it. But
certainly that that initial phase, that initial phase where you
put on a table, you're probe to every orifice. Yeah,
and you know, siemens taken, eggs are taken, you know,
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implants are put in you. Uh that that is pretty bad,
pretty pretty horrible. What we're going to get to our
next break. You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes
Light with Me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast ay AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back. You
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are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi Hollis
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast ay Am Parenormal
Podcast network Less. You made a really good point that
you know, definitely it does appear to be that there's
a conflict or it's it's like a whole mishmash of
so many different elements when it comes to what's the
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being's agenda is? And I always call it like a
secret war, if you will. It's like, you know, I
feel that if these things can shape shift to make
themselves appear as one thing or another. I mean, who's
to say, who's standing before you? When one group did
something horrible to you and another one that looks just
like them, you know, they're they're absolutely different, they're absolutely peaceful,
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and I can't help to wonder if one is masking,
you know. It's like if that's the problem going on. Yeah,
I think that again, it's a very complicated subject, you know,
to understand what's their agenda, Well, there's so many different groups,
you know, so you have to look at, you know,
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a particular group to then try to understand if there
is an agenda. And here's what I like to say
about this whole thing. I think it's almost like a
school for the aliens. In other words, they have generations,
you know, that come and go, and so when they
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have a new generation that needs to be taught how
to investigate the human race, they come down. They do
the same thing because you hear tie them in time. Again. Well,
if they're so smart, they all they need is one sample,
one person, they got it all figured out. Well, then
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that they they they it's and then they're doing things.
You know, we do the same thing. We take a dolphin,
for instance, we pull them out of the water, we
tag them, we take a blood sample, we measure them, uh,
we throw them back in the water. And then a
year later, we we've we've we capture them again, we
pull them out of the out of the water, put
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them on the boat, do the same thing over and
over and over again and and so you know, I
think it's a learning process that's going on. And you know,
we're not at the top of the food chain unfortunately,
right there's some hungry big foot out there. I know that, Yeah,
absolutely so. So, I mean, yeah, it's really difficult to pinpoint,
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if you will, that they have some nefarious agenda by
you know, hoodwinking us and having a shape. And they
do this certainly to in a lot of cases to
make it more palatable for the person that's experience and
you know, show up as a teddy bear, if you will,
or an owl or a deer instead of a little
gray um that kind of thing. But the bottom line
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is that they all seem to be doing the same
same thing. Yeah, and there's probably groups that they don't
you know, do have a nefarious agenda that you know,
they're not being u sports right. Well, I don't understand
how some can think, well, they all have to be
really positive because they got here somehow. I'm like, look,
there's some really smart dudes out there that were serial
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killers too. You know. It's like, why do I have
to kombay out with them? If I think something there
might be something wrong. I remember somebody very very famous
read my book The Secret War, and based on the
conflict and alien contact with you know, some of them
are good, some of them are bad, and shadow people
are in the middle and uh and this this researcher
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is like, you know, go and throw this in the
garbage to start all over again, because there's not a
single bad alien out there in the universe. I'm like, what,
I couldn't believe it couldn't believe it. Yeah, yeah, it's
it's like I would never think that's okay to push
your opinion on someone. And I'm sure that's not anything
that you guys do. You try to help them grow
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in the situation. Correct. Oh, absolutely, I mean we're we're neutral, Okay,
we listen to their stories. We don't you know, uh,
make a judgment. We try to help them with whatever
we can, whether it's a support group, uh, a mental
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health practitioner, a hypnotherapist, or now talking with a triage
person in our est group. Um so uh yeah, and
that's that's that's a horrible thing to do to a
person about it? Yeah, it really is. I mean so
many people, you know. I always tell people it's like
if I listen to the folks that I really admired,
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you know that we're close and far, you know, and
just believed everything that was told to me or ordered
of me, I would have never taken the steps that
I did to you know, put something else out there
on the map. And it's like, I think it's important
that we all kind of pick and choose what's healthy
and what fits in our narrative to be acceptable. We
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don't have to follow a certain pattern to express ourselves
in this field and understand it absolutely. And one of
the reasons why I put the book out the last year,
The Unknown Other and the Existential Proposition of Alien Contact,
which you could actually see on our website on the
homepage and also it's available on Amazon. Basically, it's an
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overview of the topic contact with non human intelligences with
all the physical psychological aspects of it, and then including
the military aspects of it, and the government UAP report
that came out, and then of course the full full
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analysis of the OMEGA three study which is in there
in the appendix where we interviewed seventy one experiencers and
compared them to fifty one control people. So yeah, I
wanted to put something out there that would be good
for not only the general public, but also for therapists
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that are not familiar with the topic. And that's one
thing we're trying to do in a big way now
is we're reaching out to more therapists to try to
educate them on this topic and then hopefully have them
be part of the provider network. Of course, you would
be an absolutely a wonderful edition, um well, for sure,
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sure and so I I think that you know, this
thing is not going to stop. It's been going on forever.
And my latest theory on all of this is the fact,
whether we consciously know it or not, I think all
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of us are experiencers. And I got to tell you
this story that happened. One day in the support group.
A person said to me said, Hey, I've seen you before.
Are they really or at a UFO conference a grocery store.
They said, no, no no, no, I saw you on board
the craft. Oh really, And I kind of I kind
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of blew it off, you know, I I just it
didn't it didn't sit with me, you know very well,
but you know, I just I just didn't believe it.
But then it was like a year, a year and
a half later, a totally different person, a different support
group meeting, said I've seen you before. I said the
same thing. I said, where the UFO conference, grocery store? No, no, no, no,
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you were sitting on this bench naked on board the
craft and you were freaking out. And they told me
to go over to you to calm you down. Oh great.
So I at that point, at that point, I decided
to go get regressed. And I had three separate regressions
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two different people, and nothing like that came up. However,
I had numerous past lives, numerous past lives and which
were so real I was I was crying and a
number of them, you know, because the feelings were so
(47:02):
tremendously overwhelming. Uh and uh So anyway, it was probably
another year later that I told this story to someone
and they said, well, you know, maybe this person picked
up on something that happened in a previous life. Maybe
we're abducted in a previous life, and that's that's what
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this person was seeing in some way, shape or form. Yeah,
and you know, it's it's funny. I had a group
for fifteen years and people would pop in and they
would recognize each other and say these things and and
uh sometimes they would say, you know, yeah, you look
familiar too. So it's interesting though, you know, it's like,
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I don't understand, you know, how that always connects, because
like myself, I was told, oh, you're abducted, you have
hybrid children. No, I don't. I've never been abducted. You know,
I don't know where this is coming from. But yeah, fascinating.
So if people are experiencing anything out of the ordinary.
How can they reach out to you guys and get
some help. Well, the easiest thing to do is just
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to hit our website Opus network dot org. There's a big,
big support button on there, and then what we ask
you is just a few questions. You know, your name,
your email address, and tell us about your story a
bit of it, uh, you don't have to go into
great detail. And then that automatically goes out to three
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people in our organization, myself included, and you can choose
from either being put into the support group or going
to a triage member of the est or having them
contact you. And then once the triage person talks to
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the experiencer, we then can find out if it would
like to have a hypnotherapist you know, a name given
to them, or do they need a mental health practitioner
that they would like to see. So um again it's
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opusnetwork dot org. Yeah, thank you so much for coming
on the program and sharing your knowledge and your services.
Pioneer Les Valles, thank you, thank you so much, Hide
I really appreciate it. Amazing work by an amazing guy.
You know, guys, we have come to the bottom of
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They are experiencing things out of the ordinary. Guess what
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Folks dot com. That's for those of you who do
not know what spell my name, and they stose all
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I do then is I share it here on the program. Oh.
I want to encourage you guys to all go there
and fill out that form. Tell me what's going on
out there in the world, from angels to aliens, shadow
people to the hat man, anything and everything out of ordinary.
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I have had people that write about certain things concerning crystals, bigfoot,
were wolves, you would name it, near death experiences. I mean,
why limit it. It's all connected. So let's go there, Mom,
wells going there. But anyways, you can hear in my voice,
I'm a little bit sick. I'm overcoming some bad cooties.
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But it's okay, it's okay. I gotta tell you too.
Today you're in for quite the treat I have. Lester
Villez is going to be on the program today. Oh yes,
and what is he going to speak on? Opus? The
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Organization for paranormal understanding and support. Did you guys even
know such a thing existed? I know, I didn't know
for a very long time. They're very, very, very long time.
So we're going to get into that and what that's
all about. What inspired him to do this and create
this organization and pull people together to do what help
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each other understand what's going on out there when it
comes to these things out of the ordinary. It's so
very important. And if we don't come together, how are
we going to learn? I keep telling people like, let
me sit here with this unbelievable story and just hoard it.
You know, people are like, what got you to get
out here and speak on these things? Well, let's see.
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I grew up in a family where we didn't see,
we weren't shy, we were not shy about what it
is that we're experiencing because we're experiencing it right alongside
of each other. And we treated horror movies like therapeutic sessions.
And I'm not kidding, like a movie wasn't a movie
unless it was scary. And that's how we got to
understand that. People understood the possibilities out there, what can happen?
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And I was healing. It sounds crazy, but it was healing,
and we were very, very very thankful that we didn't
experience anything like the Exorcist movie. That's all I could
tell you, because you know, it's really isolating when you
experience these things, and I don't know how to stress that.
(04:23):
It's so isolating. It could turn your world upside down.
And if you don't have the support of friends or
family or somebody around you, it could be absolutely depressing
and you feel, you know, oppressed, and then you get possessed.
It's it's sad. It's sad, and I hate hearing about it.
I hate knowing these things are going on out there.
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So I took the step forward to use me my
life as an example of strange things can happen to regular,
everyday people, and we can find answers, we can find resolution.
We do not have to take what comes at us. No, don't.
We don't have to always. Uh. It makes me so um,
(05:04):
I don't even know, it's just this boiling in me
when I hear people are like absolutely just feeling like victims,
and I get it. It's probably because they don't have
the support and and you know who the heck wakes
up one day, it's like, you know, I'm going to
look into some demons today and see how to fight them. No,
I mean, it's not a it's not a thing, you know,
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but a necessity. And when you're you're in the whole
aura of fear, you really don't see a way out.
And we're all about bringing dark into the light, right
m dark become light? Uh huh, so don't mind me, um,
(05:44):
but yeah, that's a whole goal. And uh, you know,
before I go on to um introducing our wonderful guests today,
I have an email and it looks like it's short
and sweet. So we'll see where this one brings us. Okay,
and this one says Cecy. Well, it's interesting. First name Karen,
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and she begins and says, dear Heidi, I had a
bad dream and woke up to this weird pattern on
my ceiling. Okay, it was a shadow and looked like
a doily of all things. You guys know what a
doili is, right, And its really highly patterned little stitchery
(06:33):
that everybody's grandmother or stepmother made, as my stepmother did.
Its kind of interesting. So the first thing that comes
to mind when I think of doili's as those stringy
patterns that were made in my home growing up. All right,
and she continues, and I prayed it away. I rebuked
(06:56):
it in the name of Jesus Christ. Well, all right, girlfriend,
and it slowly faded. Mm. One lady told me I
or really I opened a portal, but I don't know
how I did that. Strange that. That's that's the end
of the email. Um hmm okay, So there's a lot
(07:18):
too to believe it or not to unpack here. Uh
why Well, first off, the thing that made me reflect
on a on an incident that I personally had was
with shadow orb looking things, right, and they kind of
rose up to the ceiling and like as kind of
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you know, wishing praying these things away, they slowly faded.
So it's interesting that you're you're talking about a weird
pattern on you and you're ceiling like that, and how
it slowly faded away. But when I'm I'm reading this
and how you rebuked it in the name of Jesus,
I would say, sprinkle from Jesus on it. That's my
that's my slogan. I wonder if anybody is steal that
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one now, um um, if something's too good and people
take it. It's like I have to get into something
on that actually, um but yeah, um, but it's it's
just uh, it's one of those those things that sprinkling
some Jesus on it helps and and if it faded away,
(08:25):
it couldn't have been good. Right, So it was black,
and we associate something shadowed as being negative. Right, So
good on you too, sprinkle some Jesus on it. But
this part here, this is what bothers me. One lady
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told me I opened a portal, but you don't know how. Um,
he didn't write about it, So I'm assuming you really
don't know how. I mean, you didn't put that one
day you played with a Wigia Borrigin, didn't put that
one day you thought, I'm just going to try this
incantation and see if the devil shows up. You didn't
mention any of that, so I'm assuming nothing was clear
(09:07):
to you and you just put the words strange. I mean,
that is strange. What's most strange is that somebody told
you that. How do they know you well enough to say, yep,
you did it. I don't know you well enough to
say that. I'm not a psychic. I don't know if
the person that you're you're speaking of as a psychic.
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But either way, why why go there? Why say you
did it? That's your fault. You earned that, you know.
It's like I don't, I don't get that. I think
that was kind of wrong. I think that was a
cheap shot, like, oh, well you did it yourself, so
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so oh well, It's like sometimes things just come leaking
into a person's home through the neighbor, or somebody that
delivered a package had some nasty mojo on them. These
things happen, Or you were out at the good will
and picked up something and it had some stink on
it that was dark. It could have been haunted doily
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for all we know. That's funny. Let's hope not though.
I mean anything could be haunted, really, anything could be haunted.
Why not? I mean, you just don't know who it
was that owned something prior or if they use that
black marker to draw a pentagram. We don't know. We
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don't know. Oh that makes me think, never pick up
somebody's pen anymore or marker. But honestly, we don't. So
to say that it it was you, there is no way
to know that. And what a strange thing to have
such a pattern on your wall, believe it or not.
Though I did see somebody that had an odd pattern
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on their skin, but it was from what they thought
was an alien encounter. But it kind of looked like
a strange little doily pattern. Actually, I've seen a couple
of those, ye, a couple of those, and one in person.
And the one girl, she was just so freaked like
what is this? Why is this on me? And I
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don't know. I'm not a psychic, but I sure wouldn't
say you did it to yourself. You probably created a
portal on your skin. So anyways, Ceci, I want to
thank you for writing me and something I want to
get to, um you know I did. I did a
show not too long ago, and the question was asked
to me that you know, wow, it's controversial that you
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trademarked shadow people. I'm like, it is. Have I heard that?
Haven't hear anybody complain about that? And they're like, oh,
I guess I've just talked to certain people. And I'm like, really, oh,
well why it's like, well, because it's such a common thing.
And I briefly told them, I said, well, you know,
straight out of college instead of practicing as a there
for five years. I packed up my friends into a
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van and we drove across country with my self published book.
I wrote ninety seven and nobody would publish. So I
finally got published four years later in two thousand and one,
and I was out there talking and nobody invited me
to these conferences I would go to until it was
open mic time. I'd go up on the stage after
I was renting a table there and sell my books
there independently and grab the open mic and just say
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my truth. And it got popular, and I started coming
on coast to coast am for twenty plus years. So
if people know about the Shadow People and the hat Man,
you're welcome. It's like, should Stanley apologize that Spider Man
got popular? Saw? That's where I'm going. So anyways, I
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just hard to share that because it was the first
I'd heard that, so fascinating. Well, you guys, guess what
we are in for a treat because we have Lester
the les coming here on the program, and we're going
to dive into a whole lot of interesting topics. All right,
you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me. Heidi
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Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast. They
am Paranormal Podcast Network. Crowd, be right there, welcome back.
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You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi
Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coach the Coast. I
am Paranormal Podcast Network And as promised, I have a
fabulous guest. I have Lester of a Lez who is
a graduate of the University of Vermont with a bachelor's
science degree in business a ministry. Beginning in September of
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nineteen seventy, he starved in the US Army as a
field artillery officer and was later vice president of the
Lascomb Engineering I could be saying that wrong, Silicon Valley
Base manufacturer's representative company. He joined MOUF on the mutual
UFO network in nineteen ninety one and has held the
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following positions. He was a field investigator, training coordinator for
field investigators, the assistant state director in Northern California, chairman
of the ae ARC, which is the Abduction Experiencer Research Committee,
and the team leader of AART which is the abduction
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Response team. And also during that time he became a
facilitator for an abduction support group in San Jose, California,
and in nineteen ninety four he co founded OPUS, which
is the Organization for Paranormal Understanding and Support, a very
(15:10):
well respected group, I must say so, I'd like to
welcome Les Viles to the show. How are you doing today? There? Les? Great?
Heidi is so happy to be with you today. Yeah. Same,
My gosh, you're I'm gonna say it right here now.
You are a super duper paranormal pioneer of sorts. I mean,
if it hadn't been told to you before, as you
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mentioned before we got on here, you know it now
and I recognize it. Thank you so much, honestly, I mean, gosh,
the Opus. Okay, please tell us a bit about that,
and why on earth did you get involved in doing
such a thing. Well. OPUS stands for the Organization for
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Paranormal Understanding and Support, and it came about actually first
got started in nineteen ninety four, and we're a nonprofit
organization recognized by the IRS, and our mission simply put
us to help people having paranormal experiences. And we, you know,
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we have put together a team that has been able
to really give people that are having these types of
experiences the help that they need, and we do this
through three different ways. Now. The first way is that
we have an online confidential support group and we have
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over three hundred people from around the world that are
talking to one another twenty four to seven, telling their stories,
asking their questions. And then we have a referral network
of mental health practitioners hypnotherapists. And then the third thing
that we've just reach brought on board is a group
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called the Experience or support team, and these are people
that have a lot of experience working with experiencers and
they it's sort of a triage type of a team
where they then talk to these people and find out,
you know, even if they've mentioned the fact that they
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would like to be put into the support group, but
we verify the fact that, you know, that's maybe the
best place for them to be um So this has
proved to be very beneficial for these people, especially the
support group. Knowing that they're not alone is such a
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such a great relief for these people because you know,
most of the time they think that they're totally alone,
that you know, this is not happening to anybody else,
because of course they they're afraid to talk to their
family members or clergy or you know, they're workmates. It's
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the kind of thing that they're afraid that people will
think you're crazy. And a lot of these people have
gone to therapists and found out that they're not crazy.
So then what what do they do then? And that's
what we basically have provided these people a place where
they can go. And our website is Opus network dot org.
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And you know, if you're having you know, poltergeist activity,
contact with non human intelligences, spiritual awakening, things of that nature,
we can point you in the right direction or give
you help immediately from our site. That's amazing. You know,
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I sure could have used you back in the day.
That's all I'm going to say. They're less because man,
I was dealing with these shadowy things that I called
addle people, and I'd seen UFOs. I had experienced seeing
some beings in my home. Luckily I wasn't paralyzed, but
I had a little run in with them, you know,
and lived in a haunted house, dealt with poultr Geys
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on a body and it was confusing, you know. And uh,
I became a therapist myself and wrote my first book
while I was in college in ninety seven, and it
was one of those those those seeking things. I kept,
you know, trying to connect the dots and then make
it okay. Started a group. You know. It's like back
(19:36):
in the day, you couldn't just hit a button online
and go I need help, you know, you had to
actually get out of your seat and go look for it.
And you did that in a big way, and then
you spread the joy. So I mean super applause to you,
because I mean you're super ahead of your time. Well,
you know, people ask me, you know, like why how
(19:59):
did this. I'll get started for you, and I have
to back up to when I was eleven years old,
and this is when I lived in Connecticut and I
was coming in the house. It was a late October
evening and I saw this object. It was hovering over
this tree line, no no sound whatsoever, and it scared
(20:20):
the hell out of me. And I ran in the house,
tried to get my father to come out, and I
finally he finally did come out, and it was gone
by then, and he says, well, it's probably just a
beacon of light reflecting off a cloud. Well I didn't
buy that, and I started reading books by Georgia Damski
back in those days, and who talked about the Venusians
(20:44):
and things of that nature, and so, uh, you know, I,
like I say, I was really into it for a while.
But then, you know, I got older and I went
off to college, and then I venture on graduation, got
married and went in the service. I went through the
(21:07):
ROTC program and eventually had a couple of children. In
the nineteen eighty five, moved from Connecticut to California, and
I picked up the paper one day, the San joseber
Cary News as it was called back then, and Stanton
Freeman was going to talk about UFOs and the government
(21:28):
cover up. And it was like somebody threw a switch.
It was like, oh my god, this is you know this.
I've got to go see this guy. And so I
peers right, Oh my god, yes, fantastic man. Unfortunately he's
gone now too, and so he gave one of his
(21:48):
inimitable presentations, and I was really excited. And on my
way out, this organization called mouf On Mutual UFO Network
had a table there and so they produce a monthly journal,
and so I decided, I'm going to start getting a
journal which talks about UFO sightings and investigations that they do,
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and so that was okay for a while, but then
I finally decided I wanted to become a field investigator,
and I passed the test and started to go out
in the field with a more seasoned person. But all
the cases, almost without exception, turned out to be not
only sightings, but these people telling us that they've had
contact with non human intelligences, and so that really started
(22:40):
to get my interest. And then these people would ask
me did I know of other people having similar circumstances,
and I said, yes, I do. And so next thing
I'm doing, I'm facilitating a support group in San Jose
and my office. So yeah, amazing, it's amazing. And you
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started to find that a lot of these uh things
that that people were reporting were interconnected. I mean, because
you don't just stop at one type of experience, you're
kind of open up the discussion for everything. Correct absolutely,
and and that that is, you know, I firmly believe
that all these things are connected, whether you talk about
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shadow people, whether you talk about light beings orbs, grays um,
this whole realm. You know, once you go down that
rabbit hole, it's it's pretty incredible, and uh, you know,
these people are telling you stories that you know, in
balance are very similar, but then they have all kinds
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of nuances with it. And but the bottom line is
they're having some type of inexperience, whether it might be
out of body type of experience you know, astral travel,
if you will, but or physical physical experiences that manifest
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and marks on the body, implants and things of that nature.
Right exactly, you know, mentioning the shadow people from the start,
I've discussed their connection directly to some of these alien
beings and how they've been seen right alongside of them.
Sometimes have you come across stories like that in that
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particular case, I don't think so, but I would believe
that it's totally possible that these things interact with one another.
It could be you know a lot of times that
you hear about the fact that a person has brought
on board a craft by a small gray and then
there's a large gray there. But then there's a man
(24:47):
this type of a creature that may be there as well,
or a Nordic or a man in military uniform. I mean,
this thing starts to really, you know, multiply as far
as the people that are involved with it. So I
would certainly believe that that is possible that you have
two different entities that are interacting, and you know, are
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they all good? Are they all bad? I think we
have both. I think you have even within species, you
have good ones and you have bad ones. You've been
on this planet. How about that? Yeah, exactly, it is
exactly the same thing. Human's got issues. Well, we've got
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I have less Valez and we are speaking on everything
out of the ordinary and how Opus has helped so
many people from so many walks of life. I'm curious
if you've had people who have come to you about
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such things as near death experiences or angelic encounters and
what's that's been like. Well, it's interesting that you brought
that up, because most of a lot of the people
that do come to us talk about having had a
near death experience. There's a story I want to tell
you about. It relates to how Opus got started, but
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it goes back into near death experience question. I had
been written up in the Monterey Coast Weekly paper. This
reporter had talked to Mouf on hit quarters and asked
if for the name of someone that he could talk
to about the UFO thing. And so they evidently gave
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this reporter my name. He came out, he interviewed me
and ended up putting my head on it. I mean,
it was really weird, my head on the front cover
of this weekly paper. In that same article, there was
a woman that was written up with her capabilities that
she had, and she contacted me said to me, I'd
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like to understand what's going on with my brain waves
when I'm in contact with these off earthly entities. You know.
I kind of scratched my head figuratively and saying, well,
you know, how am I going to possibly help this person?
And then she said she was working with an emergency
room doctor don and Carmel, And so that really piqued
(27:53):
my interest because I had a doctor friend by the
name of Eugene Lipson that was interesting, and meeting other doctors,
I called them up and I said, you know, why
don't we take a trip down and visit with this
lady and see see what we could possibly do or
to better understand what it is that's happening to her.
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So we did, and as we walked into her home,
there was a picture on the wall and it was
her standing on the back of this boat, a rather
large vessel, and I said, what's this all about. Well,
that was when I was down in the Caribbean helping
these treasure hunters. And I said what, yeah, I was
helping these treasures. Well, how are you helping them? Just
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while I was in contact with the captain of the
galleon that had gone down. So that, of course kind
of blew us away. And what we came to find
out that after a near death experience, she had become
very psychic, and so she began to tell us things
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about ourselves that afternoon. That there was no possible way
that she could know that because she didn't know us
from Adam, you know, and the article didn't say anything
about my background other than you know, my involvement with
move On. So yeah, so we came away that afternoon,
and we stopped at a Hamburger joint and decided, how
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can we possibly help people like this? And because we
were you know, I had already been doing the support
group in San Jose and and and Jean was doing
some similar things up in his area. And so that
was the afternoon that opus was hatched. The rest is history,
so to speak, but near death experiences does come up
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a lot that afterwards people become very psychic. They have
a whole different worldview afterwards, especially with the contacts that
they make during these experiences. Another doctor, and you might
have heard of this story. She was taking a kayaking
(30:08):
adventure down South America and she went over this falls
and got trapped at the bottom of the falls for
over thirty minutes. And during that time she saw these
entities and she felt this incredible love coming her way,
and so she decided that she wanted to go with them.
(30:30):
And then they said no, no, no no, you have things
that you have to do. You have to go back,
and she survived. One of the things that these entities
also told her was that her son, who was little
at the time, when he turned eighteen, would succumb, would die.
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Of course, that shook her up quite a bit, but
she never said anything to her son, and because she
probably didn't believe it. Anyway, when he turned eighteen, shortly thereafter,
he got in a car accident and died. So I
mean near death psychic abilities, involvement with entities, healings that
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go on when you when you are in contact with them. Uh,
you know, I don't know if you know the name
major Major. Oh goodness, I'm losing it right now. Anyway,
he was in charge of the malsterm Air Force Base
when all the missiles were shut down, and he was
(31:38):
at a presentation that I made at the move On
symposium two years ago in Las Vegas. This was an
experiencer's meeting, and he brought his wife along with him,
And after I did the presentation, he came up to
me and said, can I talk to you, you know,
in private afterwards? And so I said sure, um, And
(32:00):
and I was sitting at my table in an exhibitor
area hawking my book. I wish, well, we'll talk about
the unknown other and he tells me that he had
an experience along with his wife, and when they came
(32:21):
back after this experience, she was able to heal people.
The ability to heal was not only something that happens
with you, but you can also become a healer. So
how do these things happen? You know, we don't understand
so much about this phenomena, and yeah it is. And
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you know, you have the majority of people that are
having these experience, it's probably seventy percent or so that
want these experiences to continue. Certainly, in the beginning, all
these experiencers are quite traumatic, but there's a process that
goes on and then eventually they become accustomed to it,
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and then when it stops, it's almost like the Stockholm syndrome.
It's like, where did they go? Why aren't they coming
back from me? And so that that's some interesting things
and one of the other things that Opus does. We're
in a process of doing another research project. We did
the first one back in two thousand and seven, which
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was funded by Moufon called the Omega three study, where
we took seventy one experiencers and fifty one people that
were a control group, and we basically had them take
various psychological tests and came away with the fact that
these people did not have a psychopathology. Their worldview changes dramatically.
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In other words, Hey, we need to be better stewards
of the it, we need to be better to one another,
we need to be more loving. These are all wonderful,
wonderful things. And there's also changes in the temporal lobe
activity versus the control group, and that's another factor that
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I think is being looked at by some scientists at
the present time trying to better understand how that is
part of this process. And now we're in the second
phase of the Omega four study. The first phase was
where we went out to therapists and had them take
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this survey and we came away with some interesting information
there too, which is actually published on our website. And
number one, most activity does involve the grave as far
as contact with non human intelligences. The second thing that
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comes up is orbs. People talk about orbs. Third, the
third thing that comes up is interdimensionals. And then the
fourth thing that comes up is poulter geist activity. And
poltergeist activity can take the form of a lot of
different things, shadow people probably along with it. So yeah,
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it's fascinating. There's so many nooks and crannies to investigate
in all this, but the bottom line, there's something going on.
These people are not crazy, And you know the big question,
what is it? Is it extraterrestrial in nature? Is it
interdimensional in nature? Is it time travelers? Is it the military?
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Or is it all the above, which I kind of
think it is and probably anything else you can possibly
think of, right, you know. One of the question that
I have when it comes to the alien beings. I mean,
there's a lot of gray involvement. But I have heard
and witness myself people that absolutely went through so many
horrible experiences with these beings, and then they would teach them,
(36:14):
you know, something positive, and they're like, um, okay, I
wanted to kill them before, but now they're teaching me things.
So I guess I'm okay with it. And I'm like,
hold on, you slep with a gun under your pillow,
I remember you, you know. So, do you think there's
a conflict and alien contact? Are they masking themselves to
appear as one thing so you let your guard down,
they take advantage, and then they reward you with a
(36:36):
cookie or something. I mean, what's going on if? Yeah? Yeah,
it's the old carrot and stick of philosophy, right, Yeah.
I think what it is is that It depends on
the group that you're dealing with. I think i've you know,
there's both sides of this story, you know. You know,
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if you believe they're greer, uh, that they believe everything
is positive, no, no issues, and then you have the
the uh, the David Jacobs and Bud Hopkins that said
they're all bad. It's a mixture. It's absolutely a mixture.
And so it's very difficult, you know too. And again,
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based on our studies and other studies that have gone
on the Free study, for instance, most of the people
are coming away with with positive feelings about it. But
certainly that that initial phase, that initial phase where you
put on a table, you're probe to every orifice. Yeah,
and you know, siemens taken, eggs are taken, you know,
(37:45):
implants are put in you. Uh that that is pretty bad,
pretty pretty horrible. What we're going to get to our
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are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi Hollis
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast ay Am Parenormal
Podcast network Less. You made a really good point that
you know, definitely it does appear to be that there's
a conflict or it's it's like a whole mishmash of
so many different elements when it comes to what's the
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being's agenda is? And I always call it like a
secret war, if you will. It's like, you know, I
feel that if these things can shape shift to make
themselves appear as one thing or another. I mean, who's
to say, who's standing before you? When one group did
something horrible to you and another one that looks just
like them, you know, they're they're absolutely different, they're absolutely peaceful,
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and I can't help to wonder if one is masking,
you know. It's like if that's the problem going on. Yeah,
I think that again, it's a very complicated subject, you know,
to understand what's their agenda, Well, there's so many different groups,
you know, so you have to look at, you know,
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a particular group to then try to understand if there
is an agenda. And here's what I like to say
about this whole thing. I think it's almost like a
school for the aliens. In other words, they have generations,
you know, that come and go, and so when they
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have a new generation that needs to be taught how
to investigate the human race, they come down. They do
the same thing because you hear tie them in time. Again. Well,
if they're so smart, they all they need is one sample,
one person, they got it all figured out. Well, then
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that they they they it's and then they're doing things.
You know, we do the same thing. We take a dolphin,
for instance, we pull them out of the water, we
tag them, we take a blood sample, we measure them, uh,
we throw them back in the water. And then a
year later, we we've we've we capture them again, we
pull them out of the out of the water, put
(40:29):
them on the boat, do the same thing over and
over and over again and and so you know, I
think it's a learning process that's going on. And you know,
we're not at the top of the food chain unfortunately,
right there's some hungry big foot out there. I know that, Yeah,
absolutely so. So, I mean, yeah, it's really difficult to pinpoint,
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if you will, that they have some nefarious agenda by
you know, hoodwinking us and having a shape. And they
do this certainly to in a lot of cases to
make it more palatable for the person that's experience and
you know, show up as a teddy bear, if you will,
or an owl or a deer instead of a little
gray um that kind of thing. But the bottom line
(41:21):
is that they all seem to be doing the same
same thing. Yeah, and there's probably groups that they don't
you know, do have a nefarious agenda that you know,
they're not being u sports right. Well, I don't understand
how some can think, well, they all have to be
really positive because they got here somehow. I'm like, look,
there's some really smart dudes out there that were serial
(41:43):
killers too. You know. It's like, why do I have
to kombay out with them? If I think something there
might be something wrong. I remember somebody very very famous
read my book The Secret War, and based on the
conflict and alien contact with you know, some of them
are good, some of them are bad, and shadow people
are in the middle and uh and this this researcher
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is like, you know, go and throw this in the
garbage to start all over again, because there's not a
single bad alien out there in the universe. I'm like, what,
I couldn't believe it couldn't believe it. Yeah, yeah, it's
it's like I would never think that's okay to push
your opinion on someone. And I'm sure that's not anything
that you guys do. You try to help them grow
(42:27):
in the situation. Correct. Oh, absolutely, I mean we're we're neutral, Okay,
we listen to their stories. We don't you know, uh,
make a judgment. We try to help them with whatever
we can, whether it's a support group, uh, a mental
(42:48):
health practitioner, a hypnotherapist, or now talking with a triage
person in our est group. Um so uh yeah, and
that's that's that's a horrible thing to do to a
person about it? Yeah, it really is. I mean so
many people, you know. I always tell people it's like
if I listen to the folks that I really admired,
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you know that we're close and far, you know, and
just believed everything that was told to me or ordered
of me, I would have never taken the steps that
I did to you know, put something else out there
on the map. And it's like, I think it's important
that we all kind of pick and choose what's healthy
and what fits in our narrative to be acceptable. We
(43:31):
don't have to follow a certain pattern to express ourselves
in this field and understand it absolutely. And one of
the reasons why I put the book out the last year,
The Unknown Other and the Existential Proposition of Alien Contact,
which you could actually see on our website on the
homepage and also it's available on Amazon. Basically, it's an
(43:56):
overview of the topic contact with non human intelligences with
all the physical psychological aspects of it, and then including
the military aspects of it, and the government UAP report
that came out, and then of course the full full
(44:19):
analysis of the OMEGA three study which is in there
in the appendix where we interviewed seventy one experiencers and
compared them to fifty one control people. So yeah, I
wanted to put something out there that would be good
for not only the general public, but also for therapists
(44:46):
that are not familiar with the topic. And that's one
thing we're trying to do in a big way now
is we're reaching out to more therapists to try to
educate them on this topic and then hopefully have them
be part of the provider network. Of course, you would
be an absolutely a wonderful edition, um well, for sure,
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sure and so I I think that you know, this
thing is not going to stop. It's been going on forever.
And my latest theory on all of this is the fact,
whether we consciously know it or not, I think all
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of us are experiencers. And I got to tell you
this story that happened. One day in the support group.
A person said to me said, Hey, I've seen you before.
Are they really or at a UFO conference a grocery store.
They said, no, no no, no, I saw you on board
the craft. Oh really, And I kind of I kind
(45:55):
of blew it off, you know, I I just it
didn't it didn't sit with me, you know very well,
but you know, I just I just didn't believe it.
But then it was like a year, a year and
a half later, a totally different person, a different support
group meeting, said I've seen you before. I said the
same thing. I said, where the UFO conference, grocery store? No, no, no, no,
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you were sitting on this bench naked on board the
craft and you were freaking out. And they told me
to go over to you to calm you down. Oh great.
So I at that point, at that point, I decided
to go get regressed. And I had three separate regressions
(46:41):
two different people, and nothing like that came up. However,
I had numerous past lives, numerous past lives and which
were so real I was I was crying and a
number of them, you know, because the feelings were so
(47:02):
tremendously overwhelming. Uh and uh So anyway, it was probably
another year later that I told this story to someone
and they said, well, you know, maybe this person picked
up on something that happened in a previous life. Maybe
we're abducted in a previous life, and that's that's what
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this person was seeing in some way, shape or form. Yeah,
and you know, it's it's funny. I had a group
for fifteen years and people would pop in and they
would recognize each other and say these things and and
uh sometimes they would say, you know, yeah, you look
familiar too. So it's interesting though, you know, it's like,
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I don't understand, you know, how that always connects, because
like myself, I was told, oh, you're abducted, you have
hybrid children. No, I don't. I've never been abducted. You know,
I don't know where this is coming from. But yeah, fascinating.
So if people are experiencing anything out of the ordinary.
How can they reach out to you guys and get
some help. Well, the easiest thing to do is just
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to hit our website Opus network dot org. There's a big,
big support button on there, and then what we ask
you is just a few questions. You know, your name,
your email address, and tell us about your story a
bit of it, uh, you don't have to go into
great detail. And then that automatically goes out to three
(48:31):
people in our organization, myself included, and you can choose
from either being put into the support group or going
to a triage member of the est or having them
contact you. And then once the triage person talks to
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the experiencer, we then can find out if it would
like to have a hypnotherapist you know, a name given
to them, or do they need a mental health practitioner
that they would like to see. So um again it's
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opusnetwork dot org. Yeah, thank you so much for coming
on the program and sharing your knowledge and your services.
Pioneer Les Valles, thank you, thank you so much, Hide
I really appreciate it. Amazing work by an amazing guy.
You know, guys, we have come to the bottom of
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another fabulous program. I hope you've learned something I sure have,
and don't forget if you have experienced something out of
the ordinary, you know a story, or if you want
to share your research or just comment on things that
we're discussing here on the program, go to shadow Folks
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